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The first Copilot+ laptops are launching, featuring Qualcomm’s Snapdragon X series chips. However, comprehensive reviews have been hard to come by. Also: Microsoft recalls its “Recall” feature.
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Despite this channel's name, these clips never contain any Light Machine Guns
it's actually a mag not a clip
@@ch3burashkaYour pedantry is unwanted, incorrect, and misplaced.
@@ch3burashkaactually a machine gun is literally fed a belt.
@@ch3burashkaCr1tical is at your door at 3 AM to set the record straight
@@Voltaic_Fire I think the commentor is referring to the moistcritikal and sneako beef, not being a grammar nazi
Copilot+ laptops don't go to "sleep" because they're always listening and watching. 🤣
"Elijah, stop watching the Wan show, your making a bad example: as he needs to wear a helmet in every vid lol
Sid elizah
Elon must have named these chips.
09:16 Norwegian here, I can confirm we face the same issue in our stores, too.
Each time I go shopping for laptops, I either do my comparing of laptops online prior to entering a store, or end up looking up the laptops online when I look at the spec-sheet in the store and get frustrated about the lack of information.
I expected better from Norway.
@@loldoctor Well, wouldn't say norwegians are the smartest "people"..
People got really hyped about ARM following Apple's transition away from Intel. What they failed to understand is that Apple's Mx silicon is not good because it's ARM, it's good because it's good. CPU ISA has very little to do with anything and as someone who has already handled Lunar Lake systems, people are about to realize that.
Agree. How did you get a Lunar Lake System in your hand?
@@blubblurb Went to Computex! :)
I agree too, and as much as I hate to say it, Apple is good at what they do. They just designed a good chip and adapted their software to it really well, independently of it being ARM
@@blubblurb I went to Computex!
And it’s worth emphasising that Apple Silicon didn’t just pop into existence in 2020; they’ve been perfecting the architecture since the first iPhone and iPad.
I don't know what the issue is, the 84/82 is the clock multiplier, easy right? /s
80100 and 80100
I think it is unironically meant to be the 2 core turbo clock multiplier multiplied by 2 (4.2 -> 84, 4.0 ->80) but then they though 68 looked like too low a number for 3.4 so they added 10 to it, making it 78 instead.
@@Chaddledee if you are right it's so freaking funny
The truth is, no one want Qualcomm chips. When other manufacturers like nvidia are finally allowed to develop ARM chips, app developers will take it more seriously and make native apps. As of now, the compatibility just isn’t there.
As a Linux user I'm personally worried that proliferation of ARM on notebooks could end up with the same shit show like with Android tablets and phones with undocumented, proprietary, vendor-locked drivers for those SOCs.
@@krazownik3139 same tbh I have so many phones in an unusable state because there is zero documentation available
@@krazownik3139 Same. Right now the only solace is preloaded machines, like Tuxedo offering a model.
The painful irony is that Linux is already VERY well suited for the ARM transition as they've been supporting enthusiast projects (Raspi and similar SBCs) for much longer than Microsoft, and such already have mature support for the arch - many distros offer support.
My opinion is probably unpopular at Microsoft, but my Lenovo with S3 standby always sleeps and wakes properly, and Connected Standby is useless on a laptop, I have my phone for that.
The Mac Pro naming convention is similar to what the car industry does, Toyota Corolla is only called that, for multiple generations.
Just about everything Toyota is named "Crown" or a derivative of it. Since forever. 😉Not sure that's the right example.
On the topic of naming schemes. Samsungs phone lineup with the number also corresponding with the year of release 👍
Linus scolding Elijah has serious dad energy lmao
In my LTT headcanon they are father and son
At this point just make up your own product names and see if you can get the entire community to ride on it (mostly just to spite the companies I’d be down just post a blog somewhere)
I thought this was about copilot?
😂 my thoughts. It was a rant about naming chips and device lineups.
PLEASE, stream earlier more often! It's nice getting input from the other side of the sea once in a while :)
I'm not using a Windows laptop ever again after what they've shown ("Recall"). Once Snapdragon Elite X becomes good and Linux works on there, I'll consider itnover my M1 Pro MacBook Pro.
As a Texan, I will let that yehaw slide.
Hmmm if only a company could make things simple like… let’s say a theoretical “M” line of chips (M1,M2,M3) and add a little plus, pro, max, ultra as levels to that chip…
*OH WAIT*
"Can I interrupt for a minute." Why ask now? Luke has never gotten out a full sentence since I have ever watched. He must be paid very well though.
So Cortana is now called CoPilot. Got it.
I asked copilot how to disable copilot and it gave me wrong result 😑. How should I trust it with anything else?
(84x100)/2 = 4200 but yeah.. it's a really dumb naming scheme. X1E-42, X1E-40, X1E-38 would be much more logical (and it's more stupid since they're overclocking as well, breaking their own naming scheme)
Notebook is a backup solution, when you are not at home, or in bed, or at the wan show, it does not have to be fast, or be able to game. It's just Apple users who think that, because they don't know any better. I'm sure it will be fine for light use.
Yes and No.
I can see the clear benefits of using Macbooks on work like mine as video producing (but I prefer working at home with my Windows desktop monster) but HEY, sometimes we need some of that flexibility to work on many conditions outside. Just being able to show real time our work to my client it is really money entering my bank account.
Not wrong but considering how much current snapdragon x elite & plus laptops cost they should be both fast & able to game (at the very least the popular) games at 60 fps minimum OR the prices should be lowered to make them more attractive
@@tvdootman27they are not targeted at gaming and on gaming loads they don't really last longer, like only 10-20 min longer than dedicated gaming laptops.
Makes way more sense than intel
If you don’t condemn this launch I’m out
Wait till they find out how Sony names its phones.
Cowboys but in a cool way? Cowboys can not be cool?
STOP BEING MEAN TO DADDY ELIJAH?!??!
Go to your room
linus is the Micheal Jordan of Micheal Scotts
you can have an equipment log book? thats how my work stop employees from stealing power tools. Such a simple solution
First viewer babyyyyy🎉🎉🍺
weell thank goodness apple is staying far away from AI
I'm thrilled to announce my new CPU model, the C3R-876 Plus+AE4-ue (standard edition)
But can it run Crysis?
When is the C3R-876Plus+AE4-uee (Standard+ Edition) releasing?
Don’t know why most companies can’t just use simplistic naming schemes for their chips like Apple does.
@@luther0013 Because this way they can confuse their customers.
From the example company, Qualcomm have snapdragon 7+ gen 2 and snapdragon 7s gen 2.
For a customer not paying attention, these two chips is being used by phones on the same price range (300-400 usd phones), the name have the same 7 and gen 2 in the name but 7s gen 2 is way way slower than 7+ gen 2.
Thats too clear man, plus it needs way more info added through random letters and numbers.
this launch made them so tired, you'd think they were loading boxes onto the trucks themselves
Clearly you don't use your brain much or you'd know what mental exhaustion is.
4:05 "do you know how happy Ivone would be if I could go 13 minutes" coffeee went all over, almost shorted a keyboard :))
8:50 this is universal across many industries. I have worked in shipbuilding, power generation and building. Dealing with the inconsistencies of products from the same vendors is infuriating.
marketing team - hmm the X and AE sounds cool maybe people would too. lets name it like this
Fun fact, even that article missed a SKU, the X Elite has a 00 SKU for mini desktop pcs.
Simply put Copilot should have been an optional install file that you are asked if you want to install it when the updates were sent out. It should never have been forced on people or even installed in a disabled by default state.
Side note. Linus does not look like he was up late. He looks like he has not been to bed yet at all
Leaks from last year showed how microsoft considered making Windows 12 the AI version, but they dropped it because clearly they want everyone in on the AI nonsense
@@wile123456More like the chips that would support it properly are not even out yet, so they would have made an OS for literally no one (and thus completely unsupported by everyone and their mom) that would have taken at least 2 to 4 get any traction at all. Time period where they would have needed to maintain win 10, 11 and 12 at the same time.
Just look at how slow win 11 was adopted just for requiring hardware from 2016 or newer. Imagine how slow it would be if it required hardware FROM THE LITERAL FUTURE.
How about:
Snapdragon XE 184
Snapdragon XE 180
Snapdragon XE 178
Snapdragon XP 164
Solved.
I dunno why, but I want it to be even numbers for some reason. So I like X1E 84 more, or X1E 8400. Maybe Intel's and AMD's fault that odd numbers look weird in CPUs for me. LIke R7 5800, I7 7700 etc. X1E 8400 also drops a "-100" and combines it, so kinda neat.
It’d make more sense if they just named them the X series processors. Like saying “X Plus” makes no sense since “Plus” is relative, implying it provides a plus in performance over something else, but it’s the base model? Also, scrap the 64 SKU, it’s absolute trash performance wise.
Snapdragon X1 (current 78 SKU)
Snapdragon X1 Plus ( current 80 SKU)
Snapdragon X1 Elite (current 84 SKU)
@@professor1262That 64 sku is cheaper.(They want to reuse that sand)
@@sharmuuuwtf
Should just be X160, 170, 180 and 190. The next gen would change the first number to a 2 and so on. When they reach 9th gen they can do a new naming scheme.
Linus going on tangents IS the show for sure
that includes him trying to not do that.
adhd on-screen
I'm with Linus, a Windows laptop that sleeps properly sounds pretty amazing. I've had mine set to hibernate when I close the lid just so Windows doesn't wake up and drain my battery whenever it feels like it.
They installed co-pilot on all windows 11 PCs without asking. I don’t want it. There used to be not official way to uninstall it, but there is a way that you can unofficial uninstall it. I removed it from my laptop. They need to make these things opt-in install instead of them just installing something automatically. There is way too much windows bloatware, give us a choice Microsoft of whether we want something or not. I got rid of co-pilot, edge, Cortana, just everything win-bloat automatically installs on your PC.
But isnt copilot a monthly subscription also? Atleast on corporate pc it seems to be this
@@AndrewTSq no, I had use of almost all of it, there were paid portions but I wasn’t interested in any of it. I never used Cortana and edge either but the forced if upon all windows users because some idiots at Microsoft things it’s good. At the corporate level, if a company wants to use it, they should, if a person wants to use it, they should. But let it be an opt in feature and not an automatic feature. For me and I’ll bet a lot of people, we don’t want it but we got it anyway. They needed to give us a way to uninstall it if we weren’t interested. Also, isn’t it a bit creepy to have a corporation installing a “baby monitoring” piece software designed to see everything you do on the computer you own. You have to ask yourself why Microsoft installed it without your permission and why they didn’t give an official way to remove it. Ask yourself what’s in it for them to have it installed on every Winblows PC. Why are they insisting.
@@Prence corporations want it to see how productive their employees are. Also be able to run querys like "if you look at chatlogs what employees are not happy about the company?"
@@AndrewTSq so you’re ok with your. Odd monitoring you all day because they don’t trust you. Listen, if you’re going to complain about your employer, you aren’t going to do on your employers computer. If you’re smart, you’ll use your own computer or your own phone, you know the ones without the monitoring software. Either your employer trusts you or they don’t.
@@Prence well, i want to have a job, and I know they do it. So I so not care since I never express what I really think anyway :)
20:46 dunno
this is the same company who launched helio G90 kept rebranding it to 91, 93, 96 & 99 but 95 tho that was different 😂
let's not mention G80 & G30 series
I live in Michigan and I’ve never seen someone get docked pay for something they broke. The company just eats the cost
breaking it while borrowing it from work for something your doing outside of work. most places don't even let you borrow their stuff
@@Ryan-093 never had a problem asking for work equipment so I can do something on the weekend.
The point is there's a difference between the company eating the cost of broken equipment *used for company purposes* and stuff that breaks during someone's personal project. Linus says he has insurance on the equipment, but that would only apply if it's damaged during work use.
@@ThatMattWhitehow come you didn’t come to the family reunion?
As a person venturing into multi-core cache subsystems, that ending was priceless XD
Luke saying the word "Skibidi" is so weird to me, of all people I know hes was the last person who I'd assume knows the word "skibidi"
Not that surprising imo as his humour is very childish (and that's why I love him)
Everyone please keep hating on Microsoft as much as possible, send the message that this shit is not okay, people don't want it and they need to check themselves on this type of stuff.
I don't care about microsoft any more tbh, I'm going to move over to linux as soon as Windows 10 is no longer supported. If I'm lucky maybe SteamOS will get a big update in the next few months
@@gloomy_gus I hope linux gets more support I would seriously consider it, I just can't switch because I wouldn't have access to many of the apps I use or proper support for Nvidia gpus
What don't you want?
@@jtrayforestsystem-wide tracking via Recall?
@@chiffaonosu fortunately that's already been disabled
I love it when Linus gives props to Apple, because I can almost hear people on Twitter crying.
Ohh, that's what that sound was
I love it when Linus has to tell his staff to stop watching the WAN show and go back to work, i wonder how pissed off Linsu actually gets at them,
😄
Probably not much, even though he might get pissed by the fact that they aren't doing their work, LMG is probably one of the few companies that can say their employees would use their products voluntarily and that probably feels amazing.
@@TuxraGamer Yeah i mean if you have to tell your own staff to stop voluntarily watching your content at work you msut be doing something good 😅, but i also get why he is also a bit angry about it, even though elisha (sorry for spelling) is a really nice guy
Jokes on him, everyone has WAN show on their second monitor, it's never worth dedicating all your focus to it.
@@wile123456 I mean, Linus' adopted son was interacting with the chat. I doubt his dad would care if it was just on his second monitor.
When is the review coming? 😢
You know what, this names or number are given deliberately to confuse costumers, who are not following tech, basically 80 90 % of all customers. When my friends ask me what do buy, noone has idea that 7735 and 7745 are different architecture , or 8845 is basically the same with 7745 or whatever. When it is so simple to differentiate then lower end model will have poorer sales, and the salers will have narrower margin to convince people to buy product which doesn't sale gud
Accurate
Real, and it pisses me off so much. Intel threw away 14 generations of instant brand recognition. AMD is doing the same, but before they did that, they tried a more deceptive version of what looks like the 6000 series and below too. Qualcomm at least had nothing to throw out with this, but it's still just awful.
I remember when CPU's had simple names like Pentium 4 Extreme Edition.
drop the 100 and the E. x1-84, x2-84, etc would be a much better naming scheme imo
Why can’t they just go like, CPU 1/2/3 Gen 1 or something, just go for that clean aesthetic and not confuse the fuck out of everyone
Often times the names do actually convey meaning. If you simplify too far, you can end up in Apple's situation where there are multiple specs of the same chip under the same name.
AMD's current naming is a great example of trying to do too much, but it's also an understandable system. You get the generation (but just model year), performance tier, CPU architecture, and an extra differentiation digit for things that are otherwise equal , and then finally an indication of the TDP of the chip.
It's done in a terribly misleading way that makes some Ryzen 5s slower than other Ryzen 3s of the same lineup (7520U vs 7330U), and allows them to rebadge older chips (7735HS vs 6800HS), but I get what they were going for.
MacBook Pro + model number makes a lot of sense actually. Its the Pro version of laptops which means it has fans, better screen etc.
It's like the Supermicro boards. You have no clue, beyond the generation (which dont even matter now because CPUs in the same gen can have vastly different sockets) what ANYTHING means.
Like the suffix is .. ok. Like "F" means IPMI, "i" means cheap, etc.
Now, for Supermicro, that's fine. Because they don't sell to consumers. But What's SRA and what's SAE? No clue. No idea.
Even with the apple M series chips, at least for the M1 they didn't distinguish between the 7 core and 8 core GPU versions of the M1 chip beyond mentioning it in the spec sheet.
Swiss cheese analogy is a bad one.
The old production style of swiss style cheeses lead to the wholes. Modern production methods eliminated them, so they artificially introduced them.
Unless you're saying that the security holes in M$ software are now all deliberate.
5:10 don't know about the 64100 but damn compared to 80100 and 84100's performance the 78100 sucks hard, like it shouldn't even be called elite as it doesn't even has dual core boost like the other two
Agreed. The 78100 should be the top of the X Plus chips. It would kinda make more sense naming wise too. At least then we know X Elite = 8xxxx and anything below is X Plus.
I found the exact same issue with comparing products while looking at LG's own website, trying to compare a couple of different LG TV's. They weren't comparable
4:08 😂 dude
Why haven't you done videos about tech and elderly. You know like do large tvs help or not etc. Maybe just one video covering a range of tech products and see how your folks go with them
Because the elderly dont watch youtube, on aggregate. No money there.
@@KarlDag I mean I'm curious to see how technology impacts elderly, ie do manufacturers try to make things work for them also. Are we all going to be screwed when we are old.
@@darrenfalconer3267 Pretty much screwed. I work in advising customers about what computer and electronics to buy and I have to do the best I can to dumb down some specs and information for them to understand it. Because manufacturers try to make models simple and easy to understand. Most of the elderly dont have a clue what it means or what it does. So I have to break down the different processor models and what RAM does and how it helps with multi-tasking. Things like that.
i dont like having my pc prepackaged with a data harvesting ai model that periodically sends screenshots over and a dedicated chip to help it spy for advertising. They may say they dont but lets be real what's honestly in all the telemetry they send by default. why do they reenable things you specifically opt out of post update. they want a camera into your life so the moment you do something they can find a product to sell to you. I use OLLAMA on my gpu, and that is good enough ai options for me.
Or when it 'accidentally' gets leaked but naughty hackers that microsoft definitely had nothing to do with, despite the fact that originally copilot-generated data had security akin to a cheeto on a door bolt lock
I got a Surface Pro 11 and honestly, I think people are looking at the wrong devices for review here. The laptops are whatever, if you care about battery life as a tradeoff for full compatibility or you want mostly a netbook type thing and have too much money in your life then alright.
But having a Windows tablet that behaves like a tablet? Man, it's a gamechanger so far. I charge it only when it runs out of juice, which is once, twice a day tops. WIndows Hello is instantaneous. It sleeps immediately, wakes up immediately, it is just Windows otherwise. I found myself turning it off when I was moving from one room to another, like I would a phone. On the Intel ones I would never. That would have been a three minute process. And you weren't gaming on your Surface anyway (and I've still played some Persona 5 Tactica on it just fine), so many of the limitations just melt away.
I'm so annoyed MS botched this launch so bad with the dumb AI stuff and the rush and the wrong devices being up for review. This could have been such a gamechanger for some product ranges and instead it's going to become the best kept secret of the computing world. Again. They are SO bad at this.
0:44 hits differently when your name is Elijah and your listening to this at work
Linus made a video hocking these machines just a couple weeks ago…..
What's happened to Linus' voice it's more deeper than usual or has he employed his doppelganger with a deeper voice box
So I work for a tech company in the US. Microsoft is making a big push for us to market this so hard. When my manager was doing the certifications on it with me, the amount of shit that doesn't make sense is hilarious. I also told him that I'm going to tell people to turn recall off cause that is a scammers gold mine. I literally laughed when we found out it was delayed. What's also funny is this is ARM based and they don't explain that to people so some people cant use shit they pay for.
6:36 those numbers are 2x boost basically, so 84 is 4.2 then 80 is 4.0 and 78 is fucked xD
Any idiot can understand “M3”….”M3 Pro”…”M3 Max”….what is wrong with these companies!!!!!….
I dunno what you're talking about. I think the launch was great!
Rarely has there been a more apt analogy for the quality of the Qualcomm chips.
Sounds like you need to hire an inventory manager rather than make your employees have to shoulder the burden of your company not wanting to allow them to continue as they were to save a dollar.
If it was such an issue that so much was being borrowed then it clearly benefits the employees that they seek to borrow, they are borrowing equipment which is a productive tool allowing them to practice learn and improve in a productive manner at home or else where.
You're literally throwing away a good thing for no reason based on what was said.
give Apple time, AMD has been coming up with names for processors for 30 years, and Intel for 50 years.
I’m pretty sure MacBooks don’t differentiate so that companies can say “we also issue out MacBook whatever’s” so they won’t sound out of date.
If all the names end in 100, their is no need for their to be a 100 their. They should probably just stick to X1 then just swap out the letter E for the bin and then put the year at the end or something, keep it simple.
Get some brains in there. We need things we did not know!
Anthony Emily! Or whatewer... Linus need a looong holyday.
Luke hit the nail squarely on the head. The part of this show that people care about are the off-the-cuff tangents. Never lose them.
I absolutely hate buying monitors or tvs in person at any kind of electronic store. Tags are absolutely worthless and inconsistent.
It concerns me how many people love Samsung's AI
Why
AI is game changing for a lot of people and tech. The problem is it changes the game in ways we do and don't want.
@ts757arse but that's AI in general, he specifically mentioned Samsungs AI
Linus: What were you doing up so late?
Luke: boom bm bm chk bm bm bm tss chk
Incoherent, drowning on our respect the channel and respect the guidelines, but incoherent drowning on continuously
3:40 - Linus doing some questionable things to get media access.
I died when I heard that 😂😂😂
Whenever I buy a laptop at a store I never read their information. I go into This PC and right click on properties. Then check task manager for good measure.
At PC world UK they just print i7 or i5 with integrated or external graphics for the laptops and PCs, that's it that's all the information. To know more a dude comes with an ipad and has to search up the specs online. Even worse if its an AMD chip the actually just print AMD Ryzen CPU. no more info
Someone on Substack posted what a teacher explained to her peers. Apparently, if something is "Skibidi" it's bad. "Ohio" means cringe, and because this is about "Skibidi Ohio rizz" to "Rizz" means to flirt.
_God damn_ I hate how the youth speak.
9:45 even online, it can be hard to compare products. One computer tells me it’s a 14.1” screen and the next tells me it’s 9”x12”. [ok, that one’s basically made up, since diagonal measurement of screens is one of the few established norms.] But sometimes I can’t even tell within a single company’s product lineup which products are better than which. And then I run into things like buying drawer dividers: are the stated dimensions internal or external? There are 2 editions of this book and you’re showing me the cover for 1 and the publication date for the other.
What I Really Want from AI
Organizes all our files so we can actually find stuff.
Fixes system problems before they ruin our day.
Respects our privacy and follows the limits we set.
but no!!! Microsoft chose to create a spy that collects images like squirrels in my system, takes up storage space, and then gives it to hackers on a silver platter. Great work, team.
I have a suggestion for the clips team; rather than blocking out the bottom third, put the Secret Lab thing in the middle, between the host's heads. Might be more obnoxious, but erm --- that's kind of the point in'nit? And people who spent their money to have their question as part of a clip might be a little miffed if when clipped, their question is obscured by advertising.
still not as bad as AMD's ryzen AI 300 series CPU which sound like they came straight from chatGPT as a product name
How about:
Clapdragon X1E 84 Ultra
Clapdragon X1E 80 Pro
Clapdragon X1E 78 Base
Clapdragon X1E 64 Value
Microsoft never learn.
Xbox Off!
I’m waiting for Windows on M Series Macs, but knowing Microsoft it will have an ad and I’ll just delete it and use MacOS 😅
Not a decent human being obviously if they borrowed something, broke it and didn't compensate for it really.
Can't wait to game on my brand new X Æ A-12 Pro™
Now I understand why apple decided to improve their GPU capabilities in the last 2 years
again, I'm not surprised... I was skeptical of the snapdragon chips. f that man
Please do a testvideo against compareable laptops from intel & and!! :)
10:43 *drink* 10:51 *gulp*
Linus keeps discovering what marketing is.
Now is the time to start doing some more Linux content.