"As your captain, it is my duty to inform you that you made the wrong choice. As a man, you damn well made the right choice and I would've done the same."
This is why I love Sisco he flat out knows the rules arnt always right or just and will bend them as far as he can without braking them how much do you want to bet he’s the one who put the idea that charging him would blow up in there faces was him
He didn't say he made the right choice. And I think it was also not his intention, even with his last sentence. He just admitted that there was no right choice
Yeah, that's the kind of writing that makes sisko such a little Weiner, hell kill anyone society will allow, but he won't stand up for what he truly believes.
It takes 300 years of sf history for them to figure out you don’t put spouses together on dangerous missions where the lives of millions hang in the balance. At least Picard figured that out pretty quick when he dated a blue shirt Lt Cmdr once.
Except they weren't sent on a dangerous mission. Worf and Jadzia were only supposed to receive a message from a Cardassian informant. But once they got there, the informant needed an extraction, and they didn't have enough time to send another team before the informant was discovered by the Dominion.
@@KingOfMadCows That's incorrect. Their mission WAS to retrieve the informant himself. He was leaving the camp and it was up to Worf and Jadzia to make the rendezvous so they could all leave together to get back to Federation space. With enemy sensors and Jem'Hadar all around the territory, it was indeed a dangerous mission.
That's what happens when you jump straight from the 20th century to the 24th century. With nothing happening during the 300 years in between. No experiences, occurances, or lessons, to learn from. :P
Pretty sure normally they would not, but I think at this point in the Dominion War resources were so stretched a lot of standard regulations fell upon the wayside.
Love that about Sisko. Yeah, Worf messed up and Sisko had to call him on that. But he also admitted that he also would have messed up in that situation. I think Worf learned a lot under Sisko. Under Picard he learned what it means to be a Starfleet officer. But under Sisko, he learned what it means to be a Captain.
This is one of the things I love about Sisko. Ignoring the fact that it's a bad idea to have spouses assigned on a mission together in general, given that's more a plot contrivance than a matter of policy in regards to the story, as a commanding officer he does absolutely have to say that Worf chose a bad decision strategically, and sacrificed potentially millions as a result... and that despite it being the wrong choice, he would have done the same. You get to see another interaction that speaks to Sisko's character when Worf is put on trial for war crimes- defending him in the most passionate, zealous way possible and following every potential defense all the way through the end of the case... and then immediately seeking him out after winning the case and letting him know that was absolutely the wrong call and it was only sheer dumb luck he didn't end up, rightfully, in prison for his actions. For all the passion Sisko displays, perhaps more than any other officer in Star Trek hero crews, he also shows he is able to set that aside when it is time to do his duty, and gives no sign of his true feelings while in the course of carrying them out, until the job is done and he can speak more freely.
The original mission was pretty simple. Worf and Jadzia were just supposed to receive a message from a Cardassian informant. But once they got there, the informant needed an extraction, and they didn't have enough time to send another team before the informant was discovered by the Dominion.
I like how Sisko understood Worf’s predicament but it doesn’t change the fact that he did violate orders. This episode had me emotionally invested but at the same time, Worf and Jadzia essentially failed the mission and it showed the consequences of that.
No one should ever be placed in the same position as Worf was, being forced to choose between duty or love. Officially he made the wrong choice, but unofficially he made the right choice, that's what makes this hard.
Benjamin Sisko is such an amazing character. As much as he commands respect and honor and duty above all others he has a human humble understanding and the way he portrayed his position is genius and inspiring to watch . He has a presence that makes you want to follow him into the worst hell imaginable and be proud to give up your life in victory.
Star Fleet gives a lot of leeway to their officers, and it was an oversight to allow them to go on vital missions together. But Sisko was right. Worf made the right call.
@@dac314 he didn't say it as a commanding officer, he said it as a man who once had a wife... he would have done the same thing.. He clearly lets you know the difference... He's letting Worf know he did the right call as a Man, but not as a starfeleet officer. He's even letting him know that in normal times he would have gone through a court martial... but that the war and the nature of the mission would de classify the mission and that couldn't be risked...
@@stephenfgdl yeah yeah yeah, you're just repeating yourself. Sisko, as a man who lost his wife, gives Worf the nod, becuz they both know it was the correct action to take, even if the circumstances ought to have been different. "The needs of the one, outweigh the needs of the many" -Captain Kirk
Sisko and Worf have the best, and most underrated, Trek interactions. It's a real shame we never got to see more of them together in any of the TNG movies and/or Picard. And it's an even greater shame that there's never been even a fleeting mention of Jadzia, and her importance to Worf, post-DS9.
Deep space nine was so amazingly great it goes beyond words. I hope it is held in the highest regards as it compares to all of the other series. The characters are so well written that you feel what they are feeling and you learn each characters hopes fears losses and loves . The love story that pertains to Warf and Dax is heart breaking painful . They couldn't have chosen a better group of actors to play out the series of Deep space nine. It will make you feel every emotion that makes you human.
He did and somehow trashed the Enterprise-E so bad that it was unusable once Season 3 of Star Trek Picard came around (and that Geordi is still giving him grief on it).
A really difficult moral decision, but really, how many of us would left her to die (obviously Worf didn't know she will be death by Gul Dukat at the end of the season, so was out of discussion)
It was the right decision from the standpoint Worf described. He was ready to take the consequences of his command track career ending decision. This is why all the talk about Worf having his own Starfleet ship command later is nonsense. Worf wouldn't even accept such a thing since it would be without honor - he knew and accepted the turn of events the moment he returned to save Jadzia.
@@oldtwinsna8347wik In the end worf has lost everything. He becomes ambassador what is the less honorable thing for a klingon. No wife, No ship, no honor. Just Ezri a bad person who tells his secrets everyone walking by(Telling Sisko he intimitaded worf) So he gets his punishment for this decision by Karma
Don't you just hate when youtubers clutter up 1/4 of the screen at the end with some promotion? Because it irks me, I make it a point to never clikc on that next video!
Don't forget what Kirk said "Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many." If the crew of the Enterprise hadn't gone against orders to save Spock then they wouldn't have ended up saving the Earth. Sometimes the wrong choice is the right one.
Yes, that must be the reason. Even if they calculated it though and were sure that the show'd make millions, they still wouldn't do it. Because of continuity xD
The Captain made a disastrous decision in not allowing Worf and Jadzia to be assigned a mission on their own again, it's an emotional response just because a Federation operative who happened to be a Cardassian was killed! To quote the great Capt Jean-Luc Picard "it's an emotional response, we can't afford it!"
You're wrong. The emotional decision was made by Worf. Anyone who has been in command or in any higher level of management knows that involving personal relationships in work decisions ruins objectivity and creates conflicts of interest.
Sisko: So what happened? Worf: The writers threw all logic and common sense out the window thinking it would be a good idea to pair us together for a more dramatic narrative.
I think I do have to defend the writers on this one. Remember unlike real-world situations where you cannot have spouses serving on board the same ships. I believe Starfleet did not have such of a protocol
In Discovery, Burnham would have saved her wife (Tilly), saved the other person but killed a hundreds more for other reasons, and be promoted to Admiral.
They do reference sanitation and what happens to waste in Enterprise when Trip is asked about it by a school age child. That little room to the left of the observation briefing lounge door is a bathroom on the Ent D’s bridge.
It was a bad idea to assign both of them to the same mission. Sisko knew better than anyone yet he did it anyway. He made very good choices but also very bad ones in DS9.
"As your captain, it is my duty to inform you that you made the wrong choice. As a man, you damn well made the right choice and I would've done the same."
This is why I love Sisco he flat out knows the rules arnt always right or just and will bend them as far as he can without braking them how much do you want to bet he’s the one who put the idea that charging him would blow up in there faces was him
he didn't say that
@@Conchobhar He didn't say the second sentence, but he expressed the same meaning in different words.
He didn't say he made the right choice. And I think it was also not his intention, even with his last sentence. He just admitted that there was no right choice
Yeah, that's the kind of writing that makes sisko such a little Weiner, hell kill anyone society will allow, but he won't stand up for what he truly believes.
At Wolf 359 they literally had to pull Sisko off of his wife as his ship was exploding around them.
To be fair, even he later admits that that was the wrong call.
Umm, I'm sure Sisko LET that one blue guy pull him off his wife...
@@tombaker8481that Boolean saved his life
It takes 300 years of sf history for them to figure out you don’t put spouses together on dangerous missions where the lives of millions hang in the balance. At least Picard figured that out pretty quick when he dated a blue shirt Lt Cmdr once.
Except they weren't sent on a dangerous mission. Worf and Jadzia were only supposed to receive a message from a Cardassian informant. But once they got there, the informant needed an extraction, and they didn't have enough time to send another team before the informant was discovered by the Dominion.
@@KingOfMadCowsbut let’s not let a little thing like facts get in the way of needless (albeit, mildly entertaining) nitpicking of plot😂😉
@@KingOfMadCows That's incorrect. Their mission WAS to retrieve the informant himself. He was leaving the camp and it was up to Worf and Jadzia to make the rendezvous so they could all leave together to get back to Federation space. With enemy sensors and Jem'Hadar all around the territory, it was indeed a dangerous mission.
That's what happens when you jump straight from the 20th century to the 24th century. With nothing happening during the 300 years in between. No experiences, occurances, or lessons, to learn from. :P
Pretty sure normally they would not, but I think at this point in the Dominion War resources were so stretched a lot of standard regulations fell upon the wayside.
Love that about Sisko. Yeah, Worf messed up and Sisko had to call him on that. But he also admitted that he also would have messed up in that situation. I think Worf learned a lot under Sisko. Under Picard he learned what it means to be a Starfleet officer. But under Sisko, he learned what it means to be a Captain.
This is one of the things I love about Sisko. Ignoring the fact that it's a bad idea to have spouses assigned on a mission together in general, given that's more a plot contrivance than a matter of policy in regards to the story, as a commanding officer he does absolutely have to say that Worf chose a bad decision strategically, and sacrificed potentially millions as a result... and that despite it being the wrong choice, he would have done the same. You get to see another interaction that speaks to Sisko's character when Worf is put on trial for war crimes- defending him in the most passionate, zealous way possible and following every potential defense all the way through the end of the case... and then immediately seeking him out after winning the case and letting him know that was absolutely the wrong call and it was only sheer dumb luck he didn't end up, rightfully, in prison for his actions. For all the passion Sisko displays, perhaps more than any other officer in Star Trek hero crews, he also shows he is able to set that aside when it is time to do his duty, and gives no sign of his true feelings while in the course of carrying them out, until the job is done and he can speak more freely.
The original mission was pretty simple. Worf and Jadzia were just supposed to receive a message from a Cardassian informant. But once they got there, the informant needed an extraction, and they didn't have enough time to send another team before the informant was discovered by the Dominion.
I truly enjoyed the first 2 seasons of DS9 , , , , ,
0:41 - "Try me, sir!" = "If I don't like your explanation, you'll get to see firsthand what the Magic Pimp Hand does to Klingons."
CAPTAIN Sisko reads Worf the riot act, but Benjamin Sisko tells him, man to man, he would've done the exact same thing for his wife.
This scene demonstrates why Sisko is a compassionate man, but don't get on his s... list.
I like how Sisko understood Worf’s predicament but it doesn’t change the fact that he did violate orders.
This episode had me emotionally invested but at the same time, Worf and Jadzia essentially failed the mission and it showed the consequences of that.
No one should ever be placed in the same position as Worf was, being forced to choose between duty or love. Officially he made the wrong choice, but unofficially he made the right choice, that's what makes this hard.
Benjamin Sisko is such an amazing character. As much as he commands respect and honor and duty above all others he has a human humble understanding and the way he portrayed his position is genius and inspiring to watch . He has a presence that makes you want to follow him into the worst hell imaginable and be proud to give up your life in victory.
Star Fleet gives a lot of leeway to their officers, and it was an oversight to allow them to go on vital missions together.
But Sisko was right. Worf made the right call.
No Sisko did not say he was right.... He said he would have done the same thing... 2 very different things.
@@stephenfgdl if the commanding officer says he would have made the same call, then you made the right call.
@@dac314 he didn't say it as a commanding officer, he said it as a man who once had a wife... he would have done the same thing.. He clearly lets you know the difference... He's letting Worf know he did the right call as a Man, but not as a starfeleet officer.
He's even letting him know that in normal times he would have gone through a court martial... but that the war and the nature of the mission would de classify the mission and that couldn't be risked...
@@stephenfgdl yeah yeah yeah, you're just repeating yourself.
Sisko, as a man who lost his wife, gives Worf the nod, becuz they both know it was the correct action to take, even if the circumstances ought to have been different.
"The needs of the one, outweigh the needs of the many" -Captain Kirk
@@dac314 "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" Spock....
I disagree with you he says it as plain as black and white.
Someday someone will love me just this much.
I don't think you can help it.
@@drjthornley 😳
@@yvonneyvonne2513 Natuurlijk. Dat kan zeker. Geduld is belangerijk 😃. Geef de hoop niet op. 😄🖖.
Indeed.
This is one of Sisko's best manager moment
Sisko and Worf have the best, and most underrated, Trek interactions. It's a real shame we never got to see more of them together in any of the TNG movies and/or Picard. And it's an even greater shame that there's never been even a fleeting mention of Jadzia, and her importance to Worf, post-DS9.
Deep space nine was so amazingly great it goes beyond words. I hope it is held in the highest regards as it compares to all of the other series. The characters are so well written that you feel what they are feeling and you learn each characters hopes fears losses and loves . The love story that pertains to Warf and Dax is heart breaking painful . They couldn't have chosen a better group of actors to play out the series of Deep space nine. It will make you feel every emotion that makes you human.
I really hope Worf took the captain's chair after Picard left the enterprise e
Нет он стал послом и не долго был капитаном дерзгого😊
He did and somehow trashed the Enterprise-E so bad that it was unusable once Season 3 of Star Trek Picard came around (and that Geordi is still giving him grief on it).
0:10 - That sound effect, I thought it was a bat in my room.
A really difficult moral decision, but really, how many of us would left her to die (obviously Worf didn't know she will be death by Gul Dukat at the end of the season, so was out of discussion)
It was the right decision from the standpoint Worf described. He was ready to take the consequences of his command track career ending decision. This is why all the talk about Worf having his own Starfleet ship command later is nonsense. Worf wouldn't even accept such a thing since it would be without honor - he knew and accepted the turn of events the moment he returned to save Jadzia.
@@oldtwinsna8347wik In the end worf has lost everything. He becomes ambassador what is the less honorable thing for a klingon. No wife, No ship, no honor. Just Ezri a bad person who tells his secrets everyone walking by(Telling Sisko he intimitaded worf)
So he gets his punishment for this decision by Karma
Could you imagine if they fumbled her contract sooner and they had decided to kill her in this episode?
@@jonathansotelo4877 you know, somehow, it's more worthy for Jadzia
Yeah it was totally Sisko's fault for assigning them to the mission.
It was Kira, Sisko was away.
Yea that was Kira,she was trippin lol
Oh, oops. Haven't seen the episode for a long time. Then yeah, huge mistake on Kira's part.
The implication being that pretty much anyone else would be okay to sacrifice in this mission, gotcha, very cool.
@@dac314 that's part of being an officer and leader, yes. needs of the many and such
I remember the scene where Sisko had no choice but to leave his wive.
It was scary.
Sisko: "And to be completely honest, you probably won't be offered a command on your own after this."
27 years later: "Hi, I'm Captain Worf."
And what happened to your ship, Captain Worf?
"That was NOT my fault!"
Now, *THIS* is how you write (and act), what a shame the current team can't even get close.
Some day soon, humanity will know of the Greater community in our galaxy. And we shall explore other systems and meet new life.
I think i need to re-watch DS9. I don't remember this episode.
I miss the old startrek series. So much better.
Poor Jennifer
best tv series ever.
If Roe made commander after joining the Maquis, before the Federation even knew the Dominion was thing, then Worf deserve a command.
Roe was supposed to be the federation/bajoran liason 1st officer but they went with Kiera instead.
I think it was because Michelle Forbes didn't want to get tied down. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Shed be proud of him
I’m not sure what I would do in that situation.
Don't you just hate when youtubers clutter up 1/4 of the screen at the end with some promotion? Because it irks me, I make it a point to never clikc on that next video!
Can be said I truly enjoyed the first 2 seasons of DS9 , , , , ,
I wish they didn't kill off Dax.
And yet they still haven't learnt from the TOS era. Spock, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few!"
As Spock learned sometimes the needs of the few or the one outweigh the many...
That is a lesson that will always need to be relearned, until the end of time. Human nature.
Don't forget what Kirk said "Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many." If the crew of the Enterprise hadn't gone against orders to save Spock then they wouldn't have ended up saving the Earth.
Sometimes the wrong choice is the right one.
Everyone wonders why michael dorn didn't get his own show. This scene is the example of why that happened. Star Trek continuity at its best.
Yes, that must be the reason. Even if they calculated it though and were sure that the show'd make millions, they still wouldn't do it. Because of continuity xD
He could have gone farther and agreed to become the new host for the Gould symbiote living inside Jadzia.
Doesn't work like that
Remember when Star Trek didn't suck?
As we old fans grow old and die, no one will remember when Trek was THIS good
The Captain made a disastrous decision in not allowing Worf and Jadzia to be assigned a mission on their own again, it's an emotional response just because a Federation operative who happened to be a Cardassian was killed! To quote the great Capt Jean-Luc Picard "it's an emotional response, we can't afford it!"
He is right you cannot put married couples assigned together on the same mission
You're wrong. The emotional decision was made by Worf. Anyone who has been in command or in any higher level of management knows that involving personal relationships in work decisions ruins objectivity and creates conflicts of interest.
Weird how he refers to Jennifer instead of Cassidy.
Jennifer was the wife he lost and his true love.
Also I don't think he married Cassidy yet
Ah warf white box not pain killlers at all would take pain killer 7 holes
He has FOUR pips on his collar now, and is involved in not botany, but TRAINS.
Sisko: So what happened?
Worf: The writers threw all logic and common sense out the window thinking it would be a good idea to pair us together for a more dramatic narrative.
I think I do have to defend the writers on this one. Remember unlike real-world situations where you cannot have spouses serving on board the same ships. I believe Starfleet did not have such of a protocol
Sisko is a great Commander.
In Discovery, Burnham would have saved her wife (Tilly), saved the other person but killed a hundreds more for other reasons, and be promoted to Admiral.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't know how to argue against that, or how anyone could... 🤷♂️
But well, maybe we saw a glimpse of Cprn Worf of the Enterprise E
@@chacaf22 In the tie in novel to Picard Worf did indeed become Captain but only because Picard gave it to him.
@@NatashaEstrada I know, I just wanna watch that on screen 😉
I liked to know is there bathroom on ships hmmm showers don’t see that shows,toilets to,hmmmm
They do reference sanitation and what happens to waste in Enterprise when Trip is asked about it by a school age child. That little room to the left of the observation briefing lounge door is a bathroom on the Ent D’s bridge.
They showed Deanna Troi in a sonic shower once
It was a bad idea to assign both of them to the same mission. Sisko knew better than anyone yet he did it anyway. He made very good choices but also very bad ones in DS9.
It was Kira who assigned them
@@TomUK737 Ah, then it makes sense.
Who was the brainlet that sent a husband & wife on such a mission in the first place? wtf?
Colonel Kira Nerys, the Bajoran officer who didn't fully understand Starfleet protocol.
@@agm8554 Figures.
Sisko is a well rounded captain he understands because he loved his wife.. picard could never understand this...