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The 8th Doctor adventures novels can be broadly divided into: novels before fitz shows up, novels where fitz and the Doctor are rather gay for each other, and novels where the Doctor and fitz are extremely gay for each other.
But the thing is, 11 isn’t full on mentally a child, he’s just childish in nature and uses it to shield his actual deeper personality. And when it comes to not knowing what sex is, I always just saw that as him being uninterested in stuff like that, so it never comes to mind immediately. As a largely asexual person myself, I relate to that. Awesome video, and you are 100% right, they would never DARE to do anything even slightly sexual with 13, the outcry would be audible from orbit.
I think making the first woman doctor so sexless underutilises the character and wastes the oppurtunity. You could see and sense each doctor’s sexuality in the modern series. You had all these interactions which got you thinking. But 13 lives in a sexless world, and she seems like she radiates a genderlessness. Maybe that’s a nice message to send for some people? But this makes the Tardis a much duller place, less chemistry, and friction on screen is much more of a turn-off. I haven’t rewatched it though. Maybe I’ve missed things.
What I enjoy about the topic of the doctor’s asexuality is how versatile it is. I myself do think the Doctor is asexual but what we should remember is that asexuality isn’t the same as celibacy. An asexual can have desires but not attraction to do the devils tango or an asexual can have a strictly platonic desire. I think it depends who you ask
It’s also worth noting… regeneration is a thing that exists and has been more or less shown to be capable of changing almost anything about a person, so of regeneration can change a person’s gender, it’s not exactly a stretch to say it can change the doctor’s sexuality. So if you really relate to the doctor’s complete lack of interest, then you can still enjoy that even if a future doctor goes as far as to explicitly say that they’re not asexual, cause that’s just one of many doctors feelings in regards to attraction
I mean it depends on the incarnation, ten definitely wasn't, she's not the virgin queen anymore haha He had a grandkid as stated, and of course river, definitely hooked up at the singing towers as 12 I would say he's just so above normal attraction like that he's usually indifferent but definitely is into it in the rare instances where he clicks with the person
I used to be one of those people who stuck to the idea that only the show is canon before watching these videos. But honestly now, f*** it! Everything is real and everything happened! I love these videos!!! Please keep churning out these beautiful (and sometimes horrifying) snippets of information.
Thanks to Doctor Who's lack of an official canon I can willingly and happily ignore the whole Chibnall era and just focus on Classic Who, the bits of NuWho I liked, and Big Finish.
I do find it amusing that the edict of the 5th Doctor not physically interacting with his female companions too much so nothing would look inappropriate instead just lead to people shipping Nyssa and Tegan and a few making assumptions about him and Turlough.
I dunno, Chibnall’s attempts at writing horniness in Torchwood make him seem even more unhorny to me. It all seems a bit forced, as though he’s just mechanically writing these interactions because he thinks they’re expected of him. Or is that just his writing in general? It’s hard to tell.
First, I really like the “outer space date” thing with the Doctor and Rose. It was really pure. I’ve wondered if they had sex, some days I hope they did, some days I hope they didn’t. Second, really good video, I’m glad to have found this channel! Third, can someone explain to me/ remind me where 12 is canonically into bdsm?
@@cassielipton7209 "you, me, Handcuffs. Must we always end this way?" In the end of The Flesh and Stone/Time of Angels two parter, as well. And yes of course the "... Handcuffs?! Where did you even have handcuffs??" To which River replies "spoilers" with a big smirk, which yes, most definitely means she had them while on Darillium 😂😂😂 the Handcuffs joke comes around a couple of times. And we know for a fact they've done it previously as well, cause of River's line in the Impossible Astronaut episode about how she's "quite the screamer. Now there's a spoiler for you."
I do prefer the doctor beeing portraited as asexual, but they also could be ace in some regenerations and not in others. The doctors body and personality changes from regeneration to regeneration, so why couldn't their sexauality and preferences also change?
Well, up until recently, the body/personality changes were relatively minor. Once you get past the different personality quirks and different body builds/hair colors/styles, you begin to realize that it really IS still the same character/individual underneath. Not so with the most recent incarnation sadly, but oh well...
@@filthycasual8187 As I see it the doctor has gone though some drastic changes in their personality before. Look at the 6th doctor who strangled his companion and compair that to the soft 8th, who instantly fell in love with the first girl he saw in that regenartion. I don't like the writing of the current doctor, but I don't think that her changes in personality have been drasticly different, whenever they choose to show her personality.
@@raccoonja5905 She refused to give Graham comfort when he shared his fears of his cancer returning, using being "socially awkward" as an excuse; her previous incarnations would never have done such a thing. She also takes the exceptionally sexist opinion that being female is an "upgrade" over being male, as if males are somehow lesser than females.
About the Empty Child- the brief Moffat was given was to explore the Doctor’s romantic side. It wasn’t a “priority” so much as a directive from Davies (who probably hired him based on his work on Coupling- he knew what he was commissioning in that area)
My personal head cannon is that with the doctors time on earth he slowly learnt what human love is, with the 8th doctor being the first to truly demonstrate his understanding and ability to romantically love a human like any human would. This would also be pushed more to the extreme after the time war where the doctor thinks he’s the last of his kind so tries to act ‘more human’ to compensate for loosing his entire species which explains why 10th is very much more human. With 9th still being ‘at war’ in his own head.
i think the no Hanky Panky in the TARDIS rule is because of Amy and Rory. Seeing as River was conceived while the Tardis was in flight essentially made her a timelord.
@@SamyulDavis Keep in mind something called "Greysexuality" which is a name given to someone who experiences attraction only in specific circumstances and at specific times, and "Demisexuality" where you have to have a strong personal connection with someone to be attracted to them sexually (although with the companions, this is disproven). And also that asexual doesn't mean abstinent, just that you don't experience attraction, but you can still enjoy hanky panky wanky tanky.
It's true there's a stark difference between the old and new series. After watching several Pertwee serials with my dad, I put on “Rose” for the Twitter rewatch thing back in March. One of the first things he said to me is “why does the companion look like a pornstar?”
@@SamyulDavis Yeah, I was a bit surprised too. My dad doesn’t usually say things like that. By the way since you replied to my comment, is there any way I could give you suggestions for things to include in future Broke Canon videos? Or would you rather not? (Well I'd ask via Twitter but the link doesn’t work.)
A complete personality change with each regeneration would be expected. 4, 5, 6, & 7 were well charactered and complete individuals. It would be a necessary step to help to keep the programme fresh.
In the Star Trek universe you have the Trills. A Trill symbiont lives in male and female host bodies. The host bodies of the Trill symbiont have married and had children. Terry Farrell who played Jadiza Dax was asked what is Dax's sexuality? She said does it matter! 90s television didn't put labels on characters. DS9 was story driven not character driven unlike Doctor Who. Does it matter if the Doctor is a man or a woman......the character and gender of the Doctor shouldn't matter it's the stories which matters
not sure how relevant it is to the larger discussion. but it always bothered me, even way back when, how the doctor's obliviousness(i guess that'd be the word) to martha's advances was treated as a failing, both by her and the wider narrative to some extent. i dunno just felt weird
I agree it seems to depend on the regeneration, at least in terms of how often the Doctor goes looking for "companionship". The War Doctor seemed surprised about 10 kissing and 11 comments that it does start to happen. To me this sounds like it wasn't something that he was focused on as the War Doctor (or maybe even in recent prior regenerations). By 9 I do think it comes up - he's too comfortable with Jack, and there are times when he's definitely flirty. 10 is the same at times, though post losing Rose I think a lot of that shut down. 11 was more nervous in his earlier days (think dealing with Amy or his early days with River) , though he seemed quite comfortable with it by the time he and River were married (his line to Dorian about spending his nights with River comes to mind). By 12 it may not have been seen much, but it did strike me as old hat to him - if I remembered right he even mentioned something to Bill once about having a crush on Missy sometime in the past. We haven't seen much of that with 13 - maybe she's lost too much and had to deal with too much in recent years to be inclined to that type of relationship?
Asexual people just don't experience sexual attraction, but can be sex-positive, e.g. enjoy it but not see anyone sexually if that makes sense, so there are incarnations of the Doctor that do seem to be sex-positive asexuals which totally fits in with a lot of the ways they're written
I always considered the Doctor pan, but I know the ace theory is also valid. There’s no real way to pin the Doctor into one gender, you’re right. All I *do* know is that he most definitely had romantic relationships with Fitz Kreiner and Charley Pollard. I’m pretty sure things went physical in the former as well.
Its fully possible to be both: panromantic and asexual. I always viewed the Doctor as grey asexual and panromantic. They only have sexual attraction to very specific people (i.e. River), and they can fall in love with anyone regardless of gender, but aren't necessarily sexually attracted to everyone they fall in love with (Ten/Rose seemed kind of in this category)
The original series character mostly felt asexual to me but then I did see most of it as a kid. Watching the revived series and _then_ re-watching the late 70s stuff made me see the interaction between the Doctor and Romana II as very flirty. Yes I know that was possibly just Baker and Ward but even so it suddenly seemed like the Doctor could be sexual. However that was with a peer of the same species. Whether I'm prepared to accept his attraction for primitive Terrans _or_ for youngsters he acts as a quasi-parental figure to is another matter altogether.
I think the Doctor is definitely asexual, but whether he's aromantic seems to depend on the incarnation. The more alien Doctors like Two, Six, and Seven seem to be entirely uninterested in sex or romance.
As I grew up with Who in the 70s, I've always fallen into the No sex camp, from a personal cannon perspective. As an adult, I have zero problem with with Companions getting up to things in the Tardis (although Moffat's Tardis conception turns you into Time Lord is as silly as Chibs' Timeless Child nonsense imo. Of course that's Moffat). I did get very quick with RTD's Rose followed Martha Doctor crush (and I suppose since Chib's is going to have Yasmin do something similar for Jodie I suppose I would find that bad if I was still watching). For the Doctor, I guess I can live with a little romance, but I've always seen two problems. Compared to the Doctors we're Mayflies. As a 50 something years seems to get charter all the time, but I cant image what that would feel like for a 1,000 year old. Basically, I think it would do the Doctors head in emotionally to get involved with a human. Of the course major issue is that there's zero reason to believe that there would be biological similarities, which would make sex and sexual attractiveness problematic (although not impossible). So I prefer the best friends solution and I'd like to think he occasionally visits all his former companions for the odd beer or cup of tea along the way.
I think the Doctor is either gray asexual or sex positive/sex neutral asexual. kinda makes sense this way. though as an ace myself I would prefer less sexual jokes in the show xD
Which companions have never canonically had a relationship, but which have _definitely banged?_ There's a question for a rainy day. (the answer is clearly jamie and victoria, i will not be taking questions at this time)
@Najawin Does she? That was one episode, and she's not been a companion in the expanded universe either. (Also Donna didn't get married until after she left the TARDIS, it's still absolutely possible things got... funky.)
Also, it’s probably slightly outside the video’s purview, but it’s probably worth mentioning John Nathan-Turner definitely wasn’t as asexual as “no hanky panky in the TARDIS” implies and has a disturbing behavioural streak in that area.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Portia Da Costa's "The Stranger" about an amnesiac man named Paul who has sexual adventures with a widow named Claudia who he meets (and several others). The character is based on Paul McGann as the Doctor and it's very clear that that's who he is supposed to be. The EDAs have him mention Claudia, even describing her as one of his former companions, so as far as I'm concerned, The Stranger is canon and occurred during one of the Eighth Doctor's many episodes of amnesia. This means the Doctor has canonically had sex with a man and been to an orgy. (Funnily enough, I still read them as asexual - everybody experiments!)
It's not the 'naked erotic dream sequence between Fitz and the Doctor' that bothers me about the passage you quoted. It's how badly written it is. I have anxiety whenever I need to put sex scenes into stuff I'm writing for fun that I might not even ever publish anywhere, and here's a professional writer, with a professional editor. Subjecting paying audiences to that. I have less of an issue with sexuality and romance in Doctor Who - or even the Doctor being sexual or romantic - but the Doctor in a relationship with most human companions makes me... Uncomfortable, at best. And I think 12 harping on about having a 'duty of care' towards Clara actually sums it up nicely for me - There's a considerable, one-sided, power dynamic between the doctor and most of their companions. (The ones that he hasn't accidentally groomed, anyway, goddamn Moffat with having characters sexually into the Doctor meet him while being children)
Here's an idea for a plot for the writers of the Doctor Who novels that are considered canon but have not been turned into TV episodes. Jack and Tegan meet in that time between when she left the first time and came back. It would not be uncommon for Jack and Co. to slip someone retcon 6.
I always get kind of upset when people talk about the Doctor's sexuality. I don't know, maybe it's the fact that I'm an ace and ND person looking for representation, or that my favorite stories have always been the self-contained mysteries with one-off villains, or even just that my favorite is Four and I can't imagine him ever showing interest in anyone, or it's the fact that writers always write the Doctor as if a centuries-old being would believe in any single true love, instead of seeing that love is unpredictable and fluid. Maybe it's my own fucked-up relationship history. Maybe it's the fact that I *really* don't like Eleven. I just don't like it when the Doctor gets involved with romance or sexuality.
To be clear, I do need to mention that I have no problem with the *show* discussing sexuality and romance I just want to keep the *character* away from it.
There's a theory regarding the master being Susan's other grand parent, especially with how Missy flirted with capaldi relentlessly in her episodes, especially in her first when she snogged him
Given how there are just eleven other people before delgado Like he lived most of his life before becoming the master proper[ I know there have been other earlier incarnations to help the role of the master But I don't think they were properly the master. It's like how the doctor doesn't properly become the doctor and told the start of the show even Though he was already going by the name]
This is completely unrelated to the video but ive never brought any big finish before but with the new 9th doctor adventure. If you buy the collectors box set for £88 pounds or something. Is that all 4 box sets included? And if so would that only arive when all 4 are released?
This is controversial. We don't really know how Time Lords/Time Ladies reproduce. If Time Lords are like us, they would have sex the way we do. If not, it's possible Time Lords could had cloning facilities. I don't think it really matters about The Doctor's sexuality. The Doctor is capable of love. He had a family. He fell in love with Grace Holloway. Rose Tyler. River Song. The Doctor must have had sex in the past and had his family. If he hadn't, Susan would never have existed. The Doctor can love.
I mean we do it's just contradictory Time lords are loomed but the doctor has parents I personally like to combine all of them with them being loomed. But having multiple genetic donors in the doctor's case, one of his was human and he considers them all. Is his parents That's why he has the human mom the time lord mom eight grandma's He just shares genetic material with a lot of people and considers them family
I guess while the doctor has never been aromantic the only person who would likely ever take a moment to accurately describe the doc’s orientation would be Missy, a fellow time Lord.
I think the era companions and how they act rub off on the doctor afterall over the years it has more being about the companions than the doctor himself
@@greghawkins59 true I suppose. I'm angling for an audio story of the two of them on Darillium. Big finish, Capaldi and Kingston need to get together and make it real.
"Is the Doctor Asexual?" The moment I heard that I immediately regretted not watching this as soon as I got the notification rather than forgetting about it for a few days. My asexual butt regrets everything
it's from a BBV Dr Who fan series called The stranger released on video in the 90's. i still have them kicking about somewhere. no idea how easy/hard it would be to find copies now
Currently 30 seconds in and this is already a surreal experience
Damn, when FanFiction writers write an established IP novel
"Cheek to cheek."
It's poetry, really
I've heard Paul Cornell's slot in Series 3 was actually between Human Nature and Halflife
@@nightowl8477 slot?
@@lifeonmarsproductions episode slot
"Show us your t*ts and I'll tell you" - The 3rd Doctor.
Lmao
When?!
@@alexsch2514 type 'Jon Pertwee corporate video' should be the first video you see. Watch the last 30 seconds.
This is the man who gave us Peri Brown and Kamelion. I CAN'T.
The 8th Doctor adventures novels can be broadly divided into: novels before fitz shows up, novels where fitz and the Doctor are rather gay for each other, and novels where the Doctor and fitz are extremely gay for each other.
But the thing is, 11 isn’t full on mentally a child, he’s just childish in nature and uses it to shield his actual deeper personality. And when it comes to not knowing what sex is, I always just saw that as him being uninterested in stuff like that, so it never comes to mind immediately. As a largely asexual person myself, I relate to that.
Awesome video, and you are 100% right, they would never DARE to do anything even slightly sexual with 13, the outcry would be audible from orbit.
Sooooooooo... About that...
I think making the first woman doctor so sexless underutilises the character and wastes the oppurtunity. You could see and sense each doctor’s sexuality in the modern series. You had all these interactions which got you thinking.
But 13 lives in a sexless world, and she seems like she radiates a genderlessness. Maybe that’s a nice message to send for some people? But this makes the Tardis a much duller place, less chemistry, and friction on screen is much more of a turn-off.
I haven’t rewatched it though. Maybe I’ve missed things.
What I enjoy about the topic of the doctor’s asexuality is how versatile it is. I myself do think the Doctor is asexual but what we should remember is that asexuality isn’t the same as celibacy. An asexual can have desires but not attraction to do the devils tango or an asexual can have a strictly platonic desire. I think it depends who you ask
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Yeah Like pretty much like everything’s is on a Spectrum
It’s also worth noting… regeneration is a thing that exists and has been more or less shown to be capable of changing almost anything about a person, so of regeneration can change a person’s gender, it’s not exactly a stretch to say it can change the doctor’s sexuality. So if you really relate to the doctor’s complete lack of interest, then you can still enjoy that even if a future doctor goes as far as to explicitly say that they’re not asexual, cause that’s just one of many doctors feelings in regards to attraction
I mean it depends on the incarnation, ten definitely wasn't, she's not the virgin queen anymore haha
He had a grandkid as stated, and of course river, definitely hooked up at the singing towers as 12
I would say he's just so above normal attraction like that he's usually indifferent but definitely is into it in the rare instances where he clicks with the person
I used to be one of those people who stuck to the idea that only the show is canon before watching these videos. But honestly now, f*** it! Everything is real and everything happened! I love these videos!!! Please keep churning out these beautiful (and sometimes horrifying) snippets of information.
Thanks to Doctor Who's lack of an official canon I can willingly and happily ignore the whole Chibnall era and just focus on Classic Who, the bits of NuWho I liked, and Big Finish.
I do find it amusing that the edict of the 5th Doctor not physically interacting with his female companions too much so nothing would look inappropriate instead just lead to people shipping Nyssa and Tegan and a few making assumptions about him and Turlough.
it greatly backfired
That's why you shouldn't over edit
I think the fact that Nyssa and Tegan shared a bedroom for a while definitely didn't hurt the shipping. XD
Not to mention Kamelion. :P
@@jaydee4697 Nyssa: ‘The Master killed my father.’
Tegan: ‘The Master killed my aunt.’
Nyssa:
Tegan:
Nyssa: ‘Wanna fuck?’
If we include Torchwood, than Chibnall just about edges off Moffat in ‘unnecessarily horny’, though I think everyone kinda was on that show.
Don't forget about the infamous cyber woman
Oh and if we include the add-ons Russell T Davis has more Camp than John Nathan Turner probably
I dunno, Chibnall’s attempts at writing horniness in Torchwood make him seem even more unhorny to me. It all seems a bit forced, as though he’s just mechanically writing these interactions because he thinks they’re expected of him. Or is that just his writing in general? It’s hard to tell.
I was waiting for that Two and Jamie reference
And then we haven't talked about John Barrowman yet.
If the bedroom of the tardis ever becomes stale, you can always reverse the polarity
I'll reverse YOUR polarity in a bloody minute
@@astersworld6169kinky
"Doctor Screw canon thanks to Chris Chibnall?"
ex-fucking-scuse me?
@PurpleOwlAnimation i actually don't know. maybe i was quoting a part of the video or something i don't remember
It’s time.
Okay someone’s going to have to expand on that 12th Doctor tangent
When you mentioned 12 being into BDSM I lost it 😂🤣😂🤣
I'm imagining cock rings, nipple clamps, butt plugs, feather boas, whips and manacles!
First, I really like the “outer space date” thing with the Doctor and Rose. It was really pure. I’ve wondered if they had sex, some days I hope they did, some days I hope they didn’t.
Second, really good video, I’m glad to have found this channel!
Third, can someone explain to me/ remind me where 12 is canonically into bdsm?
River has a line about the handcuffs in Forest of the Dead. Match it up with where she just came from on Darillium and its a fun little joke!
@@SamyulDavis ohhhh right it’s coming back to me now thanks lol
@@cassielipton7209 "you, me, Handcuffs. Must we always end this way?" In the end of The Flesh and Stone/Time of Angels two parter, as well. And yes of course the "... Handcuffs?! Where did you even have handcuffs??" To which River replies "spoilers" with a big smirk, which yes, most definitely means she had them while on Darillium 😂😂😂 the Handcuffs joke comes around a couple of times. And we know for a fact they've done it previously as well, cause of River's line in the Impossible Astronaut episode about how she's "quite the screamer. Now there's a spoiler for you."
I do prefer the doctor beeing portraited as asexual, but they also could be ace in some regenerations and not in others. The doctors body and personality changes from regeneration to regeneration, so why couldn't their sexauality and preferences also change?
Well, up until recently, the body/personality changes were relatively minor. Once you get past the different personality quirks and different body builds/hair colors/styles, you begin to realize that it really IS still the same character/individual underneath. Not so with the most recent incarnation sadly, but oh well...
@@filthycasual8187 As I see it the doctor has gone though some drastic changes in their personality before. Look at the 6th doctor who strangled his companion and compair that to the soft 8th, who instantly fell in love with the first girl he saw in that regenartion. I don't like the writing of the current doctor, but I don't think that her changes in personality have been drasticly different, whenever they choose to show her personality.
@@raccoonja5905 She refused to give Graham comfort when he shared his fears of his cancer returning, using being "socially awkward" as an excuse; her previous incarnations would never have done such a thing. She also takes the exceptionally sexist opinion that being female is an "upgrade" over being male, as if males are somehow lesser than females.
Thank you for making lockdown that little bit more fun with these videos
About the Empty Child- the brief Moffat was given was to explore the Doctor’s romantic side. It wasn’t a “priority” so much as a directive from Davies (who probably hired him based on his work on Coupling- he knew what he was commissioning in that area)
I know! But the fact that Moffat made the physical side of it a priority is notable as it would go onto become a motif for him.
My personal head cannon is that with the doctors time on earth he slowly learnt what human love is, with the 8th doctor being the first to truly demonstrate his understanding and ability to romantically love a human like any human would. This would also be pushed more to the extreme after the time war where the doctor thinks he’s the last of his kind so tries to act ‘more human’ to compensate for loosing his entire species which explains why 10th is very much more human. With 9th still being ‘at war’ in his own head.
1:57 “does Doctor Who F U C K” 😂😂😂😂😂
These videos get better and better. More, please!
i think the no Hanky Panky in the TARDIS rule is because of Amy and Rory. Seeing as River was conceived while the Tardis was in flight essentially made her a timelord.
Really enjoyed this connected less loose approach to "Broke Canon" would love more of that
2:30 I don't know why i thought you were going to say Gay, but I was looking at the lineup and thought "Yeah, I can see it"
ok but now i know it exists i must have an episode dedicated to the legendary series 'Doctor Screw'
The Doctor is mostly asexual, but he definitely DID it, he has a granddaughter after all, which you did mention but still
And that romantica nights in the Singing Towers with River tho...
@@joaolevinsky the one that required handcuffs
@@SamyulDavis Keep in mind something called "Greysexuality" which is a name given to someone who experiences attraction only in specific circumstances and at specific times, and "Demisexuality" where you have to have a strong personal connection with someone to be attracted to them sexually (although with the companions, this is disproven). And also that asexual doesn't mean abstinent, just that you don't experience attraction, but you can still enjoy hanky panky wanky tanky.
Timelords create kids differently from humans
@Najawin I'm just listing possibilities, not conclusively theorizing.
Personally I like to believe 10 and Rose got it on during a break in adventures in the TARDIS.
It's true there's a stark difference between the old and new series. After watching several Pertwee serials with my dad, I put on “Rose” for the Twitter rewatch thing back in March. One of the first things he said to me is “why does the companion look like a pornstar?”
Jesus.
@@SamyulDavis Yeah, I was a bit surprised too. My dad doesn’t usually say things like that.
By the way since you replied to my comment, is there any way I could give you suggestions for things to include in future Broke Canon videos? Or would you rather not? (Well I'd ask via Twitter but the link doesn’t work.)
Twitter DMs are always open I believe. I'm pretty backed up, but i'd love to hear them nonetheless.
@dread_davis
@@Chubby_Bub Rose was a (sort of) Chav though.
9:14 XDXD "A gentleman never tells." Good one! I LMAO'd.
I got to be honest, River and 12 needed more screen time. It's a shame the actors probably won't work together again.
Of course Tegan and Nyssa can get a room. Their shared room in the TARDIS. XD
Me when I see this in my recommendation "Davis no, Davis you CAN'T NO!!!!"
Looks like Christmas came early 😍 glad to have you back 🎉
YEEEES!! YES! ITS BACK!!!!! Edit: just started the video and DEAR GOD!
A complete personality change with each regeneration would be expected. 4, 5, 6, & 7 were well charactered and complete individuals. It would be a necessary step to help to keep the programme fresh.
In the Star Trek universe you have the Trills. A Trill symbiont lives in male and female host bodies. The host bodies of the Trill symbiont have married and had children. Terry Farrell who played Jadiza Dax was asked what is Dax's sexuality? She said does it matter! 90s television didn't put labels on characters. DS9 was story driven not character driven unlike Doctor Who. Does it matter if the Doctor is a man or a woman......the character and gender of the Doctor shouldn't matter it's the stories which matters
Last time I was this early Colin was the Doctor.
not sure how relevant it is to the larger discussion. but it always bothered me, even way back when, how the doctor's obliviousness(i guess that'd be the word) to martha's advances was treated as a failing, both by her and the wider narrative to some extent. i dunno just felt weird
I agree it seems to depend on the regeneration, at least in terms of how often the Doctor goes looking for "companionship". The War Doctor seemed surprised about 10 kissing and 11 comments that it does start to happen. To me this sounds like it wasn't something that he was focused on as the War Doctor (or maybe even in recent prior regenerations). By 9 I do think it comes up - he's too comfortable with Jack, and there are times when he's definitely flirty. 10 is the same at times, though post losing Rose I think a lot of that shut down. 11 was more nervous in his earlier days (think dealing with Amy or his early days with River) , though he seemed quite comfortable with it by the time he and River were married (his line to Dorian about spending his nights with River comes to mind). By 12 it may not have been seen much, but it did strike me as old hat to him - if I remembered right he even mentioned something to Bill once about having a crush on Missy sometime in the past. We haven't seen much of that with 13 - maybe she's lost too much and had to deal with too much in recent years to be inclined to that type of relationship?
You say they wouldn't dare to do anything remotely sexual with Thirteen, but come on, the kneel scene? Absolutely sexual.
Not even one mention of 10 and jack, smh
It was 9 and Rose doing it and you know it
@@SamyulDavis No it was 5, Nyssa and Teagan. That is my.....
Lets not talk about it.
You know, not even a minute in and.... What the Hell...
My Ace brain has is confusion...
Asexual people just don't experience sexual attraction, but can be sex-positive, e.g. enjoy it but not see anyone sexually if that makes sense, so there are incarnations of the Doctor that do seem to be sex-positive asexuals which totally fits in with a lot of the ways they're written
God bless you JNT for peri
i always liked the view of timelords in Lungbarrow, timelords don't but gallifreayans do
Just wanted to let you know that this video is one of the top results when I searched for "Nyssa and Tegan." So you've done something right.
I always considered the Doctor pan, but I know the ace theory is also valid. There’s no real way to pin the Doctor into one gender, you’re right.
All I *do* know is that he most definitely had romantic relationships with Fitz Kreiner and Charley Pollard. I’m pretty sure things went physical in the former as well.
I completely misread that (and the video description) as referring to Ace [The Companion]. Which just really confused me.
Its fully possible to be both: panromantic and asexual. I always viewed the Doctor as grey asexual and panromantic. They only have sexual attraction to very specific people (i.e. River), and they can fall in love with anyone regardless of gender, but aren't necessarily sexually attracted to everyone they fall in love with (Ten/Rose seemed kind of in this category)
They even doubled down on the 12 being into bdsm thing with 13 thinking that she probably set the handcuff voice commands when she was Scottish
Thasmin is appearently a possibility in series 13 so yeahhh....also that final doctor screw is making me question everything right now....
I imagine it’s more a unrequited love situation tho
@@KillerMeme oh lordy lord! please not another martha situation!
The original series character mostly felt asexual to me but then I did see most of it as a kid. Watching the revived series and _then_ re-watching the late 70s stuff made me see the interaction between the Doctor and Romana II as very flirty. Yes I know that was possibly just Baker and Ward but even so it suddenly seemed like the Doctor could be sexual. However that was with a peer of the same species. Whether I'm prepared to accept his attraction for primitive Terrans _or_ for youngsters he acts as a quasi-parental figure to is another matter altogether.
I think the Doctor is definitely asexual, but whether he's aromantic seems to depend on the incarnation. The more alien Doctors like Two, Six, and Seven seem to be entirely uninterested in sex or romance.
I really shouldn’t have watched this next to my dad
As I grew up with Who in the 70s, I've always fallen into the No sex camp, from a personal cannon perspective. As an adult, I have zero problem with with Companions getting up to things in the Tardis (although Moffat's Tardis conception turns you into Time Lord is as silly as Chibs' Timeless Child nonsense imo. Of course that's Moffat). I did get very quick with RTD's Rose followed Martha Doctor crush (and I suppose since Chib's is going to have Yasmin do something similar for Jodie I suppose I would find that bad if I was still watching).
For the Doctor, I guess I can live with a little romance, but I've always seen two problems. Compared to the Doctors we're Mayflies. As a 50 something years seems to get charter all the time, but I cant image what that would feel like for a 1,000 year old. Basically, I think it would do the Doctors head in emotionally to get involved with a human. Of the course major issue is that there's zero reason to believe that there would be biological similarities, which would make sex and sexual attractiveness problematic (although not impossible). So I prefer the best friends solution and I'd like to think he occasionally visits all his former companions for the odd beer or cup of tea along the way.
Look even the Tardis at it, an with Kamelion too.
I think the Doctor is either gray asexual or sex positive/sex neutral asexual. kinda makes sense this way.
though as an ace myself I would prefer less sexual jokes in the show xD
I have learned things I didn't think were knowable, and I now do not know what to do with this knowledge.
Need to get my hands on the Doctor Screw boxset.
I just imagined it depends on the the incarnation
That shot of the Montauk monster sent me into the eye of harmony.
Doctor Who is a repressed bottom. It’s why he’s so weird about it.
To be fair, purely speculating but Darillium probably made him much more open and receptive. "Stay out of my browser history!"
Which companions have never canonically had a relationship, but which have _definitely banged?_ There's a question for a rainy day.
(the answer is clearly jamie and victoria, i will not be taking questions at this time)
Donna. Donna. Donna.
Will and Nardole
I *completely forgot* about Captain Jack. Sorry everyone.
@Najawin Does she? That was one episode, and she's not been a companion in the expanded universe either. (Also Donna didn't get married until after she left the TARDIS, it's still absolutely possible things got... funky.)
Ohhhh I misread. 10 and Donna pretzelled though.
Also, it’s probably slightly outside the video’s purview, but it’s probably worth mentioning John Nathan-Turner definitely wasn’t as asexual as “no hanky panky in the TARDIS” implies and has a disturbing behavioural streak in that area.
Seeing this after Legend of the Sea Devils and…yes they did dare😜❤️🌈
I'm surprised you didn't mention Portia Da Costa's "The Stranger" about an amnesiac man named Paul who has sexual adventures with a widow named Claudia who he meets (and several others). The character is based on Paul McGann as the Doctor and it's very clear that that's who he is supposed to be. The EDAs have him mention Claudia, even describing her as one of his former companions, so as far as I'm concerned, The Stranger is canon and occurred during one of the Eighth Doctor's many episodes of amnesia. This means the Doctor has canonically had sex with a man and been to an orgy. (Funnily enough, I still read them as asexual - everybody experiments!)
ah davis your making me unpure
"Yes Jamie, it is a big one"
I have been waiting for this patiently
It's not the 'naked erotic dream sequence between Fitz and the Doctor' that bothers me about the passage you quoted. It's how badly written it is. I have anxiety whenever I need to put sex scenes into stuff I'm writing for fun that I might not even ever publish anywhere, and here's a professional writer, with a professional editor. Subjecting paying audiences to that.
I have less of an issue with sexuality and romance in Doctor Who - or even the Doctor being sexual or romantic - but the Doctor in a relationship with most human companions makes me... Uncomfortable, at best. And I think 12 harping on about having a 'duty of care' towards Clara actually sums it up nicely for me - There's a considerable, one-sided, power dynamic between the doctor and most of their companions. (The ones that he hasn't accidentally groomed, anyway, goddamn Moffat with having characters sexually into the Doctor meet him while being children)
@Najawin Oh, I wasn't meaning to imply that Moffat was intentionally doing it - The 'accidentally' goes for both the Doctor and the writer.
Here's an idea for a plot for the writers of the Doctor Who novels that are considered canon but have not been turned into TV episodes. Jack and Tegan meet in that time between when she left the first time and came back. It would not be uncommon for Jack and Co. to slip someone retcon 6.
12 is into bdsm....man i was not ready for today
Would make an interesting big finish audio book!
Is that the Stones of Venice music in this video? Because I've been searching for that track for a while.
I always get kind of upset when people talk about the Doctor's sexuality.
I don't know, maybe it's the fact that I'm an ace and ND person looking for representation, or that my favorite stories have always been the self-contained mysteries with one-off villains, or even just that my favorite is Four and I can't imagine him ever showing interest in anyone, or it's the fact that writers always write the Doctor as if a centuries-old being would believe in any single true love, instead of seeing that love is unpredictable and fluid. Maybe it's my own fucked-up relationship history. Maybe it's the fact that I *really* don't like Eleven.
I just don't like it when the Doctor gets involved with romance or sexuality.
To be clear, I do need to mention that I have no problem with the *show* discussing sexuality and romance
I just want to keep the *character* away from it.
I don't think the Doctor themselves cares about putting a label on what they are.
There's a theory regarding the master being Susan's other grand parent, especially with how Missy flirted with capaldi relentlessly in her episodes, especially in her first when she snogged him
Given how there are just eleven other people before delgado Like he lived most of his life before becoming the master proper[ I know there have been other earlier incarnations to help the role of the master But I don't think they were properly the master. It's like how the doctor doesn't properly become the doctor and told the start of the show even Though he was already going by the name]
This is completely unrelated to the video but ive never brought any big finish before but with the new 9th doctor adventure. If you buy the collectors box set for £88 pounds or something. Is that all 4 box sets included? And if so would that only arive when all 4 are released?
Jodie Whittaker...I would.
More so in Attack The Block. I think she looks better as a brunette.
@@pious83 most women do to be fair, I’ve also got a thing for gingers.
Looking at the Title, "No Hanky Panky in the TARDIS" my first thought was 'Of course there is, that's where River Song came from..."
6:39 what..... What?..... WHAT!
This is controversial. We don't really know how Time Lords/Time Ladies reproduce. If Time Lords are like us, they would have sex the way we do. If not, it's possible Time Lords could had cloning facilities. I don't think it really matters about The Doctor's sexuality. The Doctor is capable of love. He had a family. He fell in love with Grace Holloway. Rose Tyler. River Song. The Doctor must have had sex in the past and had his family. If he hadn't, Susan would never have existed. The Doctor can love.
I mean we do it's just contradictory
Time lords are loomed but the doctor has parents
I personally like to combine all of them with them being loomed. But having multiple genetic donors in the doctor's case, one of his was human and he considers them all. Is his parents
That's why he has the human mom the time lord mom eight grandma's
He just shares genetic material with a lot of people and considers them family
That illicited a CACKLE. ha ha
I might regret asking this, but what's Doctor Screw?
Samuel is decending into madness someone pls help him
Yes! Broke cannon!
3 fuuuuuuucks. I think it's the james bond energy.
*Sees title*
"Why must there not??"
And I was worried this episode would never see release (no pun intended).
The return of the king
I guess while the doctor has never been aromantic the only person who would likely ever take a moment to accurately describe the doc’s orientation would be Missy, a fellow time Lord.
2:52 Is that a scene from the show?
In the 90s a shitty company made a lot of Doctor Who but not in name vhs films using real cast members.
6:30 other than the river song handcuffs joke what else confirms 12 is into bdsm? cos i am quite puzzled, confused and fully perplexed
She mentions spanking and the recurrent joke of stay out of my browser history. Guess the rest is just wishful thinking and Bondage Fanfiction!
I think the era companions and how they act rub off on the doctor afterall over the years it has more being about the companions than the doctor himself
12 definitely should have been the doctor to have most time with river
Seriously.
Seriously true, sorry.
@@rebeccaagholor9622 but also I loved husbands of river song and that wouldn't have been possible if she'd met him before
@@greghawkins59 true I suppose. I'm angling for an audio story of the two of them on Darillium. Big finish, Capaldi and Kingston need to get together and make it real.
@@rebeccaagholor9622 yeahhh definitely, would be boring if they just had a perfectly lovely 24 years together
What's with the Second Doctor and Jamie stuff?
"Is the Doctor Asexual?"
The moment I heard that I immediately regretted not watching this as soon as I got the notification rather than forgetting about it for a few days.
My asexual butt regrets everything
2:53 could anyone possibly tell me where this small clip is from? o.0
it's from a BBV Dr Who fan series called The stranger released on video in the 90's. i still have them kicking about somewhere. no idea how easy/hard it would be to find copies now
The Doctor is most likely asexual but not aromantic.
Was this video originally close to 30 minutes? You did tease this earlier
Its much better for the abridging. If it were still 30 minutes, it'd be audio only and kind of grating.
Didn’t the 8th Doctor and Benny Summerfield do the deed too?