BROKE CANON: The Valeyard Never Made Sense & Other Weird Facts
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Fun, weird and obscure facts from the Whoniverse. There is no continuity, only a multiplicity.
The Valeyard is just the Curator's edgy teenage son who watched Fight Club one too many times
Somewhere, Chris Chibnall is writing that down.
Im dying
Yeah, "Travis Valeyard - Cosmic Street Punk". Calling Big Finish!
@@tenmark7055 Don't let them get any ideas
@Joseph Douek now I’m just picturing the Doctor pulling a Kami/King Piccolo at the end of their life
I literally have a full fan fiction about the creation of the Valeyard. Sontaran cloning regeneration and time travel.
Can I read them? Just finished Loki & Doctor one, need some more who.
I would love to read it too
Epic
You should link it here
I also want this
The Doctor, in his final incarnation so far as he knows, has been stuck defending Trenzalore for centuries. He knows he’s on the way out, so experiments with extending his life. He accidentally creates the Valeyard instead. The Master got the 12/13 thing wrong because he doesn’t know about the Tennant-to-Tennant regeneration. Super easy!
Yeah that's what I was thinking.
Wasn't the wording "somewhere between your 12th and last regeneration" not necessarily the 13th?
@@jamesleibee890 I think it was "Somewhere between your 12th and final incarnation."
@@jamesleibee890 Yeah but it was about braking the regeneration limit, which would imply it would have to be a Doctor before Capaldi. Seeing as Eleven was on his last regeneration and he became quite old It seems like it could be him.
@@zigzag4491 it would have made sense maybe it be the human Tennant doctor since he was technically number 12. We know Tennant's doctor "didn't want to go"
Marxist Strax needs a 16 hour boxset featuring: Harriet Jones, The Master and, The Collecter from The Sunmakers.
Oh god, I swear if all her lines opened with “Harriet Jones, (future/former) prime minister” I’d be the one to sell her out to the daleks in stolen earth
Please! The Collector would buy Harriet & The Master off with stock options that suddenly become worthless and ending in a proxy fight with lasers.
Russel T Davies said that Harriet survived the Daleks due to a strategically placed trap door/ex machina - we never actually saw her die - to quote the estimable Mr. Davies "She’s my character, that’s my episode, I say that’s true.”
ten Mark given the other shit he did (David Tennent’s farewell parade of death, and Fear Her)
@@tgiacin435 He & Julie Gardner did bring us the modern era. Like it or not, without them there would be no Who
Honestly I like the Paternoster Gang, which is why them having a bad case of 'pushed into a lot of scripts despite the show not being interested in actually exploring them interestingly at all, presenting them as dull one note gags played on repeat' is such a bummer.
They all have a lot of potential. Vastra got some of it delivered in the comics, Strax got it in the Big Finish series VS the sontarans and Jenny has little touches like with the Greel cult. They just do the same 2 jokes and interrupt stories that didn't need them.
Yeah i like the idea of friends that the doctor has but does not travel with, i think it builds the world up.
@@stephenbutterfield8255 Thats the thing that pissed me off so much after tennant - you had this big world with interconnecting characters, but no, lets just push the reset button and change the whole tone, only bringing a few people back later when ratings began to drop. I mean, after the whole knocking four times debacle and the victory lap, do you really think the doctor wouldn't get involved with wilf, martha, or anything else again? like yeah, several are in another reality and torchwood may possibly have been shut down, but after the whole emphasis of tennants seasons were the 'children of time', removing them (and pretty much removing all events that happened under tennant's tenure from what people know) was just insulting
@@Drengade Honestly i don't know what you could with Will personally i think he had a great send off, I would have liked to seen Martha again but if the writers can't come up with a story about her then it better to just leave it instead of an ep that feels like fan wank, and 11 got to meet Sarah Janes.
Also you have big finish coming up with stories about this characters so it not like there completely gone
More alien Sherlock Holmes please.
12:05 Reminds me of a Stubagful joke: "Maybe Benni is the War Brendon."
STOP WRITING THAT DOWN, CHIBNALL!
Chibnall: ''...Fine.''
@@jeckjeck3119 Well done, we could have had the lesser of two evils now we're going to get the War Sex Cloud
@@Ben-vf5gk
I'm sorry! (T-T)
I thought the DreamLord from Amy's choice was the modern day version of the Valeyard.
Come on Moffat- it was right there.
The 13th/‘final’ incarnation of the Doctor isn’t Jodie Whitaker, it’s Matt Smith
Joseph Douek it still counted. I personally would’ve rather see stolen earth and journey’s end as a regeneration story, then we could’ve skipped the David Tennant’s farewell parade of death, and the end of time and go straight into the 11th hour, and have a different reason for crashing in Amy’s garden. Plus it would’ve been an interesting take on a regeneration story
Jodie would technically be the 15th doctor
My theory is the Valeyard is the part human tenth doctor left with Rose at the end of Journey's End. When Rose finally died he mysteriously regenerated. Growing mad with grief and already a freak of nature, the clone searched the ends of the universe for ways to increase his life, not to become immortal, but to be able to turn Rose into a Time Lord so that they may live forever together.
Also, I think we *could* read "the thirteenth incarnation of the Doctor" in 'Trial of the Valeyard' as being the elderly Eleventh Doctor on Trenzalore. Is Trenzalore a "mud planet"? I think it works out.
It's definitely not Trenzalore, and the elderly strange goblin doesn't quite gel with Time of the Doctor- but hey! maybe there's a grain of truth to the Valeyard's story!
@@SamyulDavis Oh yeah, definitely not *literal*. But, I dunno. Sounds kind of like a timeline where the Doctor just kept hanging on way past what we see in "Time", aging to the point of shrivelling up like the Tenth Doctor in S3… My main point was, "last incarnation" in that story could easily mean some version of Matt Smith-as-Last-Doctor, rather than "the Thirteenth Doctor".
@@aristidetwain9117 I will never listen to Trial of the Valeyard the same way again! This is the timeline before the timelords intervened at the end of the Seige of Trenzo. A lovely neat little headcanon that marries up two stories.
@@SamyulDavis And what of the recent 8DA Time War sets in Big Finish?
Time war never happened. Daleks and Time Lords became partners long ago and periodically need to engage in ethnic cleansing of their excess population. Goodbye Shayboygens! Goodbye Renegade Daleks! Admittedly, sometimes things get a little out of hand.
I always found it interesting that the Valeyard and Time Lord Victorious takes place around the same time and that was my headcanon for the longest time.
The Valeyard is such a loser tho. Everyone thinks he's "the evil one." He's just a fucking creepy stalker in my eyes. I haven't seen Trial of a Time Lord but if it ain't six tryna get a restraining order, I'm outa here.
So you only know the Valeyard because of this video, STFU!
Please do broke canon segments on:
The different accounts of Jack the ripper
The confusing endlessly contradicting timeline of William Shakespeer
And the brigadiers family tree, where you can mention the spin off, Lucy Wilson Mystery's that follows the Brigadiers granddaughter .
i second this
My explanation for the contradictions is that time line is changing with every journey in the past. Butterfly effect ...only long around.
Got so confused with the Jack the Ripper shit in Matrix and 8 year old Shakespeare in Time of the Daleks
The postponed valeyard kind of works, you have the timelord victorious 10th and the post Amy 11th doctor. Which could also fit with the trail of the valeyard explanation.
For me the best answer is the meta crisis doctor, a doctor born between the 12th and final regeneration a darker version of the doctor born in battle and one who can't regenerate (so would want to find a way to gain more life, especially considering how the 10th doctor reacts to regeneration), all it would take for him to turn evil would be losing rose somehow or some other event (we have no idea about the doctor, master or timelords of that universe). Also it would mean that you can have a valeyard story with David Tennant playing a full on crazed evil version of the doctor, I want to see that on my TV.
This is now canon to me. It seems like the perfect explanation for the Valeyard and I would love to see that happen
This happened in the comic: The Forgotten.
@Mark Rogers you could have both David Tennant and Peter Davidson return and for everyone to think that they are playing the doctor but then have them both revealed mid story that they are the valeyard and omega both with huge grudges against the doctor, one for leaving him on another earth and the lose of rose on that earth and the other for once again stopping him from returning home and getting his vengeance. I can just see that being such a great shock for viewers, they think that it is a multi doctor story but nope, it's the return of two classic villains. Maybe also have it linked to something to do with galifrey, maybe if it is still going on the timeless child arc explaining how omega and rassilon fit in and maybe explain the mind wipe.
@@peterchu5609 Or did it? If it was an alien in disguised.
And anyway, not a good story.
@@charlestownsend9280 i totally had a similar idea of peter Davison coming back to play Omega, they could explain his elderly appearance being Omega trying to adjust to living back in our reality. Course that didn’t stop them with Time Crash and The Two Doctors. But hell if it means more Omega i want it!
5:27 - There are more of these odd coincidences. According to Yee Jee Tso (aka Change Lee) the background wall in the alley where the Seventh Doctor is shot, has a text on it in Chinese that apparantly has the word 'rose' in it as well. Very strange coincidence.
''If you use magic, you become The Valeyard.''
Me: ''Is it possible to learn that magic?
Not from a Jedi.
@@oliverasensio9429 I think you mean timelord 😛
bemasaberwyn55 I mean both.
Lol
Oliver Asensio Gosh, that explains why some of them have laser screws 0_0
The Valeyard still makes more sense than The Timeless Child...
Yeah and he can alone save Doctor Who series .....
I love the idea of the Tennant-era "human Doctor" becoming the Valeyard. I could imagine how you could weave a story to make that work.
1:24 - Now that, That is a B&M Action Figure 3 pack I'd want to get my hands on... 😍😏🤣
The Trial of the Valeyard doesn’t contradict the modern series at all. I’ve listened to it recently. I’m not putting in any spoilers but it just doesn’t. But I love the Valeyard and his contradictory origins and ambiguous nature.
And how will it compliment the 8DA Time War and War Valeyard tales?
I love the phrase ‘Battle Potato’
Trial of the Valeyard could be referencing an alternate version of the elderly Eleventh Doctor.
I still like the idea of it being the dream lord, the dust has been there since 11's tenure so its literally the darkest sides of everything from his 12th to his final face.
I love Jenny.
That Rose thing... Julie, Julia, Jules, Julius, Juliet, Juliette, Jools and July... All have the same etymological meaning. I have met many Julie and Julia, but although I know people have the name, but I am yet to meet a Juliet
12:59 until you become an evil, dubious, darker version of yourself... _until you embrace your inner whotuber._
Brilliant!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i won't let that happened, i will protect him from the likes of you.
@@stephenbutterfield8255 - he'll give in. I'll get my TARDIS Exterior Ranking video one day!
@@nightowl8477 You selfish bastard, you want him to become more evil just so you can get your exterior vid well that won't happened as long as i breath.
@@nightowl8477 We'll get the exterior vid after the Riddling Trial of Eggword 3: Yolk Oh No
isn't the 11th Doctor the 13th incarnation
So Stonn is a Ferengi. And the War Valeyard is a transported duplicate. Neat
the valeyard is obviously the Dreamlord, all the negative thoughts that he had were put into the dream-lord which was his 12 incarnation thanks the war-doctor existing. Even takes a similar look the Valeyard's bursa look.
Ive seen at least four different comments beginning "The Valeyard is obviously..." Aint obvious. The Valeyard is the Valeyard. I demand a paternity test before all future speculation.
It would've been the 11th Doctor who made the Valeyard as he was the 13th incarnation.
personally I think all are valid
as the doctor tampers with events the universe changes around him
therefore changing back stories on certain characters to a degree
Past has to remain consistent hence valeyard must be born before it goes back to past. Which hasn't properly happened yet and they are just postponing it indefinately...its annoying.
@@ravishbhasin7041 tampering with the past to save a death only to pose pone the death by another method
Time machine, final destination
Same with creation in my opinion
Delay his creation in 1 timeline, hell be created later
Like the master killing davros only to make his own daleks to keep the timeline consistent
Technically Jodie isn't the 13th Doctor though, she's 14 if we include 10's MetaDoctorCloneThing and the War Doctor (which we should because they're canon), which would mean that it was Matt Smith's Doctor who was experimenting with ways to increase regeneration attempts, Jodie's Doc wouldn't ever have to do this because she has a full set of regenerations granted by the Time Lords
The Metacrisis Doctor wasn't a regeneration, more like a clone. Unfortunately the War Doctor does count though, so Jodie is the 14th Doctor. All because Moffat didn't just use the 8th Doctor in the role, as he should have done.
@@pious83 The reason eighth doctor was not in the 50th, is cause Paul did not have enough time as he was working on a different project.
@@pious83 The Metacrisis does count as a regeneration used up, otherwise Smith wouldn’t be out of regenerations in time of the Doctor. The Metacrisis Doctor himself obviously isn’t a mainline incarnation but it still used up a regeneration.
More like 15th. Eleven was the 13th and final form of the Doctor in his first Regeneration cycle before it was renewed, considering War Doctor and Tenth Doctor 2.0 or whatever we call him.
Stephen Butterfield no, Moffat just thought that the eighth Doctor wouldn’t have actually fought in the time war
Do a ranking from worst to best of all the doctor who children in need specials.
So just Dimensions in Time and Time Crash?
Maybe Ruth is The Valeyard. The Doctor and The Valeyard were both aspects of The Timeless Child that at some point split into 2 people, one good and one evil. So they are sort of the same person, but not at the same time.
The most intense opening of all time.
I got so excited for the ad to be over when I read this comment!
I was not disappointed!
I've been a fan of the show ever since the wilderness years, and I never thought that there was any mystery behind the Valeyard.
For me the idea that he was supposed to be the Doctor's dark side that existed between his 12th and 13th Incarnations, end of.
Granted it did bother me somewhat once it turned out that the Doctor's 11th Incarnation was in fact his 13th (or so we thought) and that there was no sign of any storyline depicting the Valeyard but after it turned out that the Doctor had a new cycle of Regenerations then it seemed to me that the Valeyard would become a fixture for a later story made in years to come.
Then The Timeless Children happened....
My headcanon is and always will be that Susan's name has always been Susan and that it just so happens to coincidentally be a normal name on Gallifrey. Maybe it's short for something comically long like how Romanaveradtraludnar was shortened to Romana.
Doctor 13 pre chibnall retcon was Matt Smith based on the numbering, Tennant having regenerated into himself and capaldi being first in a new set of regenerations... not Jody.
Also we will have to see how they do the new set of media, but the Timelord Victorious could be the valyard. We might see him do some evil things, maybe try to extend his life since 10 said he didn't want to go, get redeemed then have that lead us to where we left him in his last season where he has learned and sacrifices himself for Wilf. Especially since we have seen there is a image of 10 wearing gallyfreyan robes, maybe he goes to gallyfrey to get more regenerations.
These videos always lift my mood, thank you they’re brilliant
I read “The World Shapers” the other day, and it seriously felt like I was reading one of these videos. It’s a wellspring for stupid canon shit.
Sam please do a sequel to “How I’d Do Who” please 👀
He has, it's called the Riddling Trial of Eggworld
Ben Warburton how could I forget man 😔
It seems the official lore of Doctor Who has always been as leaky as a sieve. This seems to have helped writers of the show, giving them certain freedoms as long as they don’t try to pin too much down. At least until now.
Yeah, that's about the size of it. And concerning recent events, whilst I see potential in the Doctor having unheard of prior incarnations, they all STILL being known as 'The Doctor' like Ruth was, seems to be a pointless addition and adds nothing - except to reveal the Doctor never chose his own alias...?
Can't the Valleyard just be an evil future version of the Doctor.
But we have got The Master
Nope because they decided to describe him as an amalgamation, suggesting that he wasn’t necessarily a proper incarnation.
@@EditedAF987 Oh but who really gives shit
His real name is Scott Valeyard. His father was a Chancellery Guard and his mother a Shayboygan barmaid. Irving Braxiatel taught him how to practice 'The Long Con'. Kind of sad, really.
my headcannon: Valeyard is the Human 10th Doctor after some horrible stuff happens in the parallel universe (Rose dies). He’s literally right between the 12th and the original final incarnation (before Clara changes the timeline and Doctor doesn’t die on Trenzalor.)
Human 10 is at the same point as post-Meta 10, so he has the same Time Lord Victorious complex going on. Maybe he became the Valeyard by trying to turn back into a Timelord.
chibnall could save season 13 by making Ruth the Valeyard, She put the lie about the timeless child in the matrix, it said the timeless child was the master, the master was angry and destroyed gallifrey then to sway the 13th doctor to his side told her that she was the timeless child, but was dumbfounded when she didnt react the same way he did. just a possibility i think.
I never got the big attraction with sontarans, they seem like the type to do a couple of thrust and done and not the type to fulfill your needs and kinks but just normal plain sex.
@Najawin No the problem is that they either be too quick to go fight a battle or like you said there will hurt you on purpose as a kind of war mission.
tldr: Sontarans are messed up
@Najawin yeah the sontarans are psychological fucked up people. now i can imagine the sopranos but instead of a fat mafia boss it a sontaran going to therapy, i think this is what the fans need.
50 shades of Sontar HA?
@@jeckjeck3119 nice one
The 13th doctor would have been 11, Maybe the doctor created him to protect Trenzalore while he was old? IDK
Nothing can top the 5th doctor thinking, that Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich were 'pleasant company'.
Yes really.
Three is SO BIZARRE POLITICALLY
He is a fantastic anomaly
@Najawin Mao I can at least somewhat get, 7 was on the Long March and such.
But 5, ole bread on butter nice guy 5 thinking that *Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich* were 'pleasant company' is just...something.
@Najawin I remember that being a reference in one of the Unbound, the one where he doesn't help Unit.
@@Ben-vf5gk I'm saving the unbounds for a slow week, and then i'll get them off the shelf and binge them all.
@@SamyulDavis Only listened to the Unit one, can't wait for Deadline
Just have it that the next time the doctor regenerates they become the Valeyard, have a miniseries of the companions vs the Valeyard, then off to the next doctor.
1:24 butter me up for that sandwich
I got the butter and i got the knife, now all i need is you.
Please do some more broke canon.
Agreed. The more the merrier!
If he did more broke cannon we would not get as much shitposts, sacrifice have got to be made
@BraddyXXII I was referring to after this one
What if Valyard is one of (possible) pre-1st doctor incarnations? What if our favorite time lord was Valeyard before being the doctor?! What if I am just overanalyzing!
I don't think there were any before the first. (I can't wait until I accept the 12th and 13th eras)
I don’t think he is. Because in Trial of the Valeyard he teases the sixth Doctor with knowledge about the seventh and eighth doctors and how they turn out. He also recreates the regeneration scenes of Doctor’s 1-4 in theatre form in the audio story Stage Fright. If he was pre-Hartnell then there would be no way he would remember any of that
Surely by "13th incarnation of the Doctor" they mean what we could call the 11th Doctor? If they meant the 13th Doctor they'd just say that, but 13th incarnation implies it's the 13th body the Doctor has had, post-Division.
It's not really referring to the new series at all, just a hypothetical dcotor at the end of their cycle :)
@@SamyulDavis Still could be the 11th Doctor then, ooooooo
Maybe it's the Emperor from Father Time! lmao
I actually just noticed that The Paternosters last appearance was 12s first episode. They were never even brought up again.
And they shouldn't even have been in that! S10 even does the Victorian era.
Wouldn’t the 13th be either Capaldi or Smith (taken in account of the War Doctor and the second 11th)
I...I like "The Forgotten" and the Paternoster Gang. For some reason, I just never get tired of them. I do kinda wish they popped up more in 12's run or even in 13's, but the audios fill that emptiness of them in the show for me
Then there’s my version that the valiard predates all the doctors and was the reason he became the doctor as a rejection of what he had become in disgust starting with the Ruth doctor ending with the mind wipe when the time agency gave up trying to use him/her so he/she could be retired into civilian life as the Hartnell doctor
The first paternoster audio was the first big finish I listened to because it was free on UA-cam. No idea how that happened
I’m not frustrated that the Valeyard isn’t explained. I’m frustrated that the Valeyard is an interesting concept that the series refuses to do anything with. It just keeps referencing it, and doing xerox copies of it to keep the idea alive.
I mean, what all can you do with it
When people keep being insistent on making him a copy instead of letting evil doctor who be evil doctor who
We can have a whole season where the doctor is. The villain and the companion has to murder them
Always thought it was a missed opportunity not to bring the Valeyard back for the new TV series, much like not bringing back the Rani as well.
But... the thirteenth incarnation of the Doctor WAS a withered, little old Yoda man? Not the Thirteenth Doctor if you wanna get technical, but the thirteenth and final incarnation of that cycle.
Now if you want answers on how he got off Trenzalore to do that, fuck if I know.
it makes sense that the timelord victorious was the start off the valeyard
Trial of the Valeyard also contradicts Time of the Doctor, which states what we knew as the 11th Doctor was actually the last version of the Doctor in the 12regeneration cycle so that episode had already addressed and resolved the 13 Doctors limit issue
Technically if it was the 13th incarnation of the doctor wouldn't that be 11? Or maybe one of the timeless children...or maybe the one from Curse of the fatal death, or maybe the ten other 13th doctors?
It's simple, the valeyard is the doctor from the universe rose lives in. He was pushed into the tv doctor's universe when the tardis broke into the other universe
The Three Valeyards is my favorite Big Finnish Finland audio.
I'm surprised they don't show both groups meeting and asking, ''Are we this cliche?''
I mean it could be very old Matt Smith on Trenzalore? He's technically the 13th because of Ten-Too and War?? For the Trail of the Valeyard?
9:19 That's doubly ironic considering she's a more techy Doctor and she's the one to learn that she already has unlimited incarnations
Yea I like the idea of 11 going on a mid-Trenzalore quest tho. Not sure he's the experimenting type, but it makes his acceptance of death more interesting.
@@nightowl8477 He did spend half a series treating someone like a puzzle box so... maybe he wanted to unlock more regenerations so he could keep on defending Christmas and save as many lives as possible?
Doesn’t big finish making a good valeyard kind of ruin the whole point of the character
He's a separate dude, but its certainly a bizarre choice
A good valeyard is just the Doctor with extra steps
The little old man doctor could just be the very very very last doctor, also known as the 13th Doctor in the sense that the doctor is on the 13th regeneration cycle and 13th life of that cycle and is trying to find a way to not only cheat death again but to rebirth himself so he forgets a lot of things about his life as the trauma and baggage he's been carrying has just gotten too much to carry on living as himself
The Valeyard, is the part of the Doctor that is all that delights and loves Gallifrey and the Title of Time Lord, his just as Ruthless Shadow, his superior self, that dwarfs the Master, as the Valeyard, suffered for being an offshoot of The Doctor, and all the Incarnations the Time Lord's developed their Culture and history on imprisoning so he never becomes his father's son
Presumably, the Valeyard is from an alternate timeline before the Last Great Time War. Once the Daleks and Timelords wrecked the timeline the Valeyard was ejected from reality.
I mean... Technically if you count the war doctor 12 is 13 ... And 12s a spindly old man...
The small, elderly man could very well be the Dream Lord we see during 11. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what the Valeyard was. I mean, the description Eleven gave us of the Dream Lord is practically 1:1 the Valeyard.
I believe Matt Smith's Doctor who was his 13TH Incarnation made The Valeyard as a clone of himself but with all the regeneration's in the matrix on Trenzelore while using the portal to his little bubble containing Gallifrey but the Timelord's stopped him and forced the clone to be a fusion of all the Doctor's evil and dark aspects of every one of his forms including the timeless children and all the forms past Matt Smith and inbetween those to points but the Doctor knowing this tried to delete the Valeyard but only erased his regeneration's so then the Timelord's sent the Valeyard back to be in the trial and promised the Regeneration's of the sixth Doctor while also sealing the capability to create another Valeyard from Matt Smith's Doctor
you know the 13th doctor is technically the 11th and it's enitrly possible that and elderly matt smith or one with just a beard went crazy and just did a whole bunch of stuff that other doctor's saw as their older evil self or something, that or jody whitaker was a shapeshifter at some point. just my attempt at cannon plaster
9:37 could just be old 11 on trenzalor cause 11 is actually the 13th incarnation also haven't we all settled on the fact that the Meta crisis clone is the valleyard after rose dies and he ends up hoping back into the main universe
He's explicitly not because he's mortal And a dockey who so he's going to die a long Before rose
And russell t davis has directly said that he's not
And also making evil doctor who not the real doctor who has always been lame
Please never end this series
I WILL run outta facts eventually!
DAVIS make them up i wouldn’t realise
I'm purposely avoiding certain obvious targets because they'll be goldmines later.
@Najawin a year or two mate you know how much Doctor Who shit is there, it a fucking goldmine
Where is my War Jackson Lake boxset Big finish. GET ON IT!!!
I want no context to Marxist Strax, I just wanna live with that knowledge alone lmao
there is none! strax is just good!
Jodie isn't the 13th incarnation though.
Trial of the Valeyard isn't referencing the new series at all. Getting lectured on regeneration numbering (especially when it's been proven that doesn't matter anymore) is kind of counter-productive to the reason I started making these.
Jodie may be called the 13th Doctor, but we obviously know that she's not the actual 13th incarnation, that would be Mattie Smith. I like to believe in some ways he is Yoda-like. And we don't know what kind of crazy stuff he got up to on Tranzalore. He was also an old man by the end of his life...
Like, obviously that wasn't intentional, but someone could definitely piece something together from these two stories.
theres also the war doctor who the doctor never counted as a doctor but hes still a number in the regenerations (he technically numerically should be the 9th doctor i think)
what if.. ALL the creations of the Valeyard are cannon! I see him, not as one person, but inbetween all the Doctors like an evil entity inside the Doctor throughout his life.. and when there is a right moment he will pop out and be the Valeyard.. and each story with him in, is just another moment of the Doctor's life where this evil being slipped out "through the cracks" and out of the Doctor? :)
MULTI-VALEYARD STORY
but the thirteenth incarnation is the eleventh doctor?
Blue That yeah he is, 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 8 > war > 9 > 10 > metacrisis > 11
@Blue That well yeah, not visually but technically eleven is the last one in the doctor's original regeneration cycle, which consists of thirteen incarnations, and since he's the last one that would make him the thirteenth
I mean, technically Hartnell is Doctor #5829, so all bets are off.
Everybody always fogorts Peter Cushing.
Blue That but it still means that he’s the final incarnation of that cycle. Which means that in technical terms he’s the 13th (but in reality only the 12th)
0:00 ahh the cosmic weasel ratman of time is back I see.
Missed ya, sam.
Seriously, the fuck is up with the rat
It like the cracks in moffat era, it meant to be foreshadowing to a story arc.
@@stephenbutterfield8255 - will the ferret also retrospectively fix continuity errors?
@@nightowl8477 no that is lazy, DAVIS has a far bigger brain than MoFAT.
@@stephenbutterfield8255
You dare to imply brain bigger than Moffat's? It's treason then.
The Valeyard is a time paradox he should not exist but people tried to make him multiple times. Either that or a future Doctor regeneration that failed.
So from what we know there are possibly 2 variations of The Valeyard since there are stuff that says hes remains of The Doctor via regeration or what not and then we got Valeyard 2.0 whihc is a seperate guy whos like an Anti-Valeyard
His real name is Scott Valeyard. His father was a Chancellery Guard and his mother a Shayboygan barmaid. Irving Braxiatel taught him how to practice 'The Long Con'. Kind of sad, really.
Based on what you said about Time War 3, Jenny could be the Valeyard as well.
I love these videos
Me too.
i love you
Stephen Butterfield what?
@@oliverasensio9429 what you want my love too, well i got plenty love to give bebe
@@oliverasensio9429 the hell is happening 😂😂
The master possessed meta crisis 10th doctor with a beard with the clockwork men and women as his underlings? What the fuck lol!
Fun fact: Moffat intended Doctor Moon from the series 4 Vashta Nerada two-parter to be a future incarnation of the Doctor.
I always assumed that it was another meta-crisis, and that when the time lords granted (possibly returned?) the doctors unlimited regenerations, that explosive regeneration cycle caused an extra doctor, between him, and the "final doctor", the final doctor being the one who has unlimited future regenerations...
- Perhaps Jody's Doctor can be re-woven as half of the doctor's personality with the Valeyard being her missing half, you know, to explain why Chibnall's 1st doctor has been so terrible and timid comparatively...
If the show lasts till the 60th, they should just do another movie where they tackle the valyard once and for all.
i love strax now
somehow i found out about the bloomsbury bunch through a fanfic where jenny and the guy meet up and have a chat about aliens?? im surprised that they have any fanfics
it was surprising well written though so thats a plus
The 13th incarnation of the Doctor isn’t the 13th Doctor, the 13th incarnation is the eleventh Doctor
Trial of the Valeyard isn't referencing the new series at all. Getting lectured on regeneration numbering (especially when it's been proven that doesn't matter anymore) is kind of counter-productive to the reason I started making these.
I HAVE MY OWN FEW THEORIES ABOUT THE CLASSIC CHARACTER KNOWN AS (THE VALEYARD)
Now I myself think that (The VALEYARD) is an evil alternate version of (The Doctor) from an alternate reality universe, and I can imagine that some parts of his personality might be a little bit similar to that of the good guy TimeLord (The Doctor).
So there for no one created (The Valeyard) he is just a very evil version of (The Doctor) who is from an alternate reality universe.
In addition I can imagine that (The VALEYARD) who is the evil version of (The Doctor) I imagine the very evil guy was born on the same date as the good guy TimeLord (The Doctor) was born, and I can imagine that when he stole his own T.A.R.D.I.S. he might of killed a few people in the process, and to add I can imagine that the alternate version of (The Master) also exists in the alternate reality, and yet I imagine that the alternate version of (The Master) is a good guy instead of being a crazy minded villain, and to add I can imagine that the alternate version of (The Master) might constantly travel throughout space, and time because he is chasing after (The VALEYARD) in order to try to stop him, and also to add hopefully capture him alive so that the villain TimeLord could stand trial for what he is responsible to have done.
I choose to believe that the Valeyard was a by-product created when Smith's Doctor was granted extra regenerations. He was blasting regeneration energy all over the place, any number of sci-fi things could have happened.
7:39 Oh my god, I love everything about this. Colin Baker in those sweet edgy robes. Bride of Frankenstein Power Rangers villain Mel. Beautiful. I love it, they look amazing, I wish this was their actual costumes, I want Mela and the Sixth Doctor as saturday morning cartoon villains, please.
You know I have a theory that suggests that the master in Trial of a Time Lord knew not only who the Valeyard was but also knew that The Doctor would not be limited to 13 lives. When talking to the sixth doctor about who the Valeyard is he says he is an amalgamation of the darker sides of nature somewhere between your 12th and final incarnation and not 13th. It my be the reason why The master doesn't question on the doctor on how he/she is still alive despite him/her passing that limit. It might also be why some of the Master's schemes involve him or her trying to push the doctor to his/her breaking point especially in modern who.
Didn’t the master say between your 12th and final incarnation? So that would mean anyone after Matt smith and before the show ends?