Backcountry Shelters, Floored vs Floorless - Hilleberg, Kifaru, Seek Outside
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- I put this video together to show the different tents/shelters I use in the backcountry. There are a tons of other models and brands that could have been compared, but these are what I own and choose to use. I also put my .02 in on why you shouldn't disregard floorless shelters as an option.
One of the best comparisons and reviews I have seen. Thanks for sharing.
and thank you back
These kind of videos are like crack. Please keep 'em coming!
thanks Rick
@@Rokslide Jordan, do you still mostly use the Niak, or have you moved to floorless more often? I'm thinking of grabbing the Cimarron UL this for next season.
Awesome video Jordan, love the content and what you've done with Rokslide and for the members!
Joshua Warren we agree! Jordan’s does a great job. Thanks
Really appreciate it, thanks for the thorough review! Kinda scared to use a floorless but your arguments are compelling
I love my Sawtooth with my stove for elk hunting.. I’m going to get a Seek Outside Courthouse next! Have a Kifaru stove and a Seed Outside SXL stove also! Great video Jordan 👍
Ryan
Consider skipping the pole & drop a rope down from a branch or ridgeline. Use a buff or washcloth to wipe condensation. Check Seek Outside for using a tarp as a porch. Thanks for the video.
08wr250r thanks for the tips!
I have a Seekoutside Cimaron with a half nest which for me is like a complete 4 season bomb proof tent. I use the nest in warmer seasons just in case of snakes and crawling creatures.
Try floorless in Western Sierras (CA) during the CA archery season or even the early rifle season. You'll only do it once. Skeeters aren't too bad (not too good either). But the carpenter ants will drive you nuts. Need that cold weather to put the bugs down before floorless is an option.
agreed, but in many western state's high country, biting ground bugs not much of an issue.
great video Jordan. I love my sawtooth, didn't love my LBO. Only thing I wish the sawtooth had different was a zipper down each side instead of in the middle, so you could put the stove in the middle and each person had their own entrance
Hey James, just curious which LBO combo you had and what you didn't love about it? Cheers
Ethan Mohns I had a base tarp base set up. Versatility wise it’s really cool. It did not handle weather well. The pyramid style shelters catch wind a lot worse than round-tipi shape. Also it did not handle snow load well at all. With the full base tarp base setup with 2 guys and a stove, we quickly had zero extra inches inside as the snow load weighed the walls down. I think the walls just aren’t vertical enough. And the shelter just isn’t very tall, at least for me I am crouched over all the time. Being able to stand in the sawtooth is awesome
@@jamesrowenhorst6372 did you ever find a solution to the snow and weather? I was really interested in this setup or maybe you found a even better setup?
@@whyFLASHi I use the Kifaru Sawtooth now and really like it. Much better in bad weather than the LBO
@@jamesrowenhorst6372 what do you think of the base, tarp, vestibule setup it appears to be more sturdy looking and would handle snow better. Do you have any experience
i just love my sawtooth+ seekoutside SXL stove,best combo.I use a seekoutside silvertip for solo or packraft trips.
what do you think about that Silvertip? Seriously considering selling the LBO for one since I won't need it to be larger than a 1 person plus stove.
@@jordan-budd i had the LBO few years ago,it was a really good shelter and very versatile,the silvertip is a bit smaller and have 12 stake points vs 10 for the lbo but not a huge fan of the stove jack location and the new vent sucks vs the old one on the BT2,perfect for solo really perfect little tent,super quick pitching,i pitch it with my trekking pole with the seekoutside pole hitch or i use wood stick,one cool pitch to do is to cut 3x 6-7 foot long sticks and hang the silvertip by the apex loop,you'll have huge space inside by ditching the center pole,you can find some pictures on my instagram reaper_st84.Mine have screen doors its a little bit heavier but its a keeper,solo trip,bikepacking,packrafting,exceptionally wind resistant.
Jordan...did you ever get an answer about using the sawtooth with a cut pole from a tree? I have the sawtooth, and am considering ditching the poles on my next outing if there is abundant deadfall around. Curious to know if you have run it without the poles. I didn't realize my pole kit was a 2 pound deal. I love the sawtooth, and if i can save 2 pounds on a backpack hunt...that's a significant weight savings that would help make the sawtooth a better solo option for a backcountry hunt.
rbljackson Yes you can use a pole or similar.
Have you tried the floorless shelter with a bottom added option? (nest/tub you quick mentioned) I think there's an aftermarket available for the Sawtooth from another vendor. I really like the idea of a Sawtooth, but can see the need for a floor from time to time. being able to walk in and stand up is appealing. thanks for doing the video!
I haven't used a nest yet. I really go back and forth on purchasing one but I do believe Bear Paw Designs makes one. I'm in the market for one for the Sawtooth actually.. when I get one found I'll do another video on it!
I guess it’s not that cold there . Hot tent camping is the way to go in the cold. Do you get much snow there? I have a Seek XL, the products seem to be quality. I hope you like it
Where this video was shot and where the shelters are used are two completely different places. We do a lot of trips in the summer time and early season when bugs are an issue and snow is 100% not an issue. That's where a dual wall free standing shelter is great. But rolling into the later hunting seasons of Wyoming in the high country, say 7k-11k feet snow becomes an issue and that's when I always bring a stove. I thought I made it clear in the video that a hot tent was the way to go for late season.
Rokslide unless I’m mistaken you may have taken my comment and questions incorrectly. I was trying to understand where you are. I saw a clip with the stove in snow but that might be a trip you took. You could live in the south and go away to hunt sometimes. I would not have said “hope you like it” if I was being negative. MWC is never negative toward other camping people, especially fellow Seek Outside owners. Good hunting 😊❤️🇺🇸❄️☃️🛷⛺️
Mobile Winter Camp Gotcha, I didn’t understand the question in there. Those shots were in Wyoming. I had the cylinder stove with me on that trip I’m pretty sure. If it was a floorless I had it with me for sure.
Rokslide that’s ok I didn’t like how someone made a comment about your sunglasses. With all the information you gave they’re concentrating on sunglasses? You did a good job 😊❤️🇺🇸❄️☃️🛷⛺️
Just wondering what kind of moisture accumulation would be coming In underneath the sides of the sawtooth after a heavy snow/rain with the stove going inside? Does the floor around the edges turn into a sponge that you cant put any of your gear on? Or does it still shed away quite well depending on what kind of slope you're sleeping on?
I've been in a bit of snow/rain weather with floorless and haven't ever had water run in with me. A lot of that has to do with the placement of the shelter in relation to where water would run and pool in a storm. So it could definitely happen if you put the shelter in a low spot where water pools, but the same would happen for a floored more than likely. As far as the stove going and melting snow, I haven't experienced the ground getting mushy. I think the stove really dries the ground out quickly and melted snow hasn't been an issue. I think the key is placement so you aren't in a spot where a lot of water would run or pool. I like using a piece of tyvek or like the Seek Outside mat to put gear on as it will keep them clean. I had all of those questions you just asked before I got into using floorless but haven't had an issue with any of them yet.
Rokslide
Thanks a bunch for the informed response, I’ have a few wall tents that I use for bigger groups, we always throw traps down and they have a bit more area inside to be-bop around so ive never had to be concerned about it as much I guess, and my stove will burn all night long so it’s effectively always dry inside . . I was just more curious about the sawback because a person has to utilize so much more of the edges and footprint with it being smaller than your typical wall tent. Once again, thanks for the sound logic!
18:17 sawtooth
How do the tipi's handle wind, like eastern montana with no windbreak?
The square foot printed tipi types don’t seem to handle wind as well without cover. Styles like the Sawtooth seem to handle wind a lot better. If you pitch it taught and set the stakes/guy lines correctly it will handle one heck of a lot of wind. That being said I always try and pitch them with some sort of a terrain feature as a wind block so it’s not on the tippy top of a hill. I’ve had this one in 40mph type winds with no issues
@@Rokslide Ideally I would have a windbreak. I'm trying to decide between truck camping or a simple set tent like a tipi or hilleberg. Something with heat would be nice. Thanks for the reply, you guys are solid.