mercedes m113 and 113k are sorely over looked here. I understand the more modern bias but the pedigree that engine family has along with its legendary reliability means it needs its flowers.
@@manager96ful lol hey buddy newsflash! The 6.2 can also make 600 hp with simple headers and other bolt ons.... plus it's way better since it's 4 valves instead of the ancient 3 Valve design. I prefer the better flowing and higher revving v8 hands down. Plus it sounds wayyyyyy better. Amg 6.2 is one of the if not The beat v8 engine ever made.
Theres is no way you didn’t out the Mercedes M113K. Came in AMG 55 between 01-06 and it was one of the most! Reliable supercharged 5.5L V8 engines ever made. The NA or M113 is even more reliable how is this not in this list????
Other than having rod bearings that are known for prematurely wearing out (read weak under-designed bottom end) and causing catastrophic engine failure, the BMW S65 V8 is a great engine.
@@xuanzheng1049 I don't know if they blow head gaskets, but I can't stand when engine designers cheap-out and put only 10 head bolts per 4 cylinder bank.
The Mercedes engines were very much overlooked in this list unfortunately. The m156 engine presented here is arguably the worst Mercedes Amg engine ever made, The m113k in the early e55 and other series of cars for its incredible torque and reliability pretty much unheard of on this list and that from the early 2000s!! and even the m157 5.5 liter twin turbo that is capable of over 750 horsepower with a simple tune in the later 63 amg models. I would love to see a more in depth review of all the German engines from their brands respectively
Def M113k, as much as we love the M156, the M113k makes too much sense and lacks the other drama. NA is just a boosted car with the boost that never comes on anyway 😆
Of course any list is subjective and then what is your criteria? It seems that yours is just overall power and performance with durability not even considered. I know the early Mercedes-Benz M156 suffered from head bolts pulling out of the block I have two older Mercedes both with near legendary V8-the M119 and the M1 13 The M1 19 is a particularly interesting engine because over its lifespan of about 10 years it underwent a block redesign from closed deck to open deck, and then 1995 or six completely redesigned pistons and crankshaft. And it underwent three versions of Bosch fuel injection But the first version of it was used in the Sauber - Mercedes and dominated the LeMans series for two or three years Both are good for hundreds of thousands of miles with decent maintenance Honestly I tend to shy away from the newer technology like turbo chargers because the more stuff you have the more stuff will go out. Granted my engines aren't 500 hp but then I don't need 500 hp I wanted to complement you also on your video on close deck versus open deck - the first time someone was able to explain that to me simply and succinctly
Europeans have always had V8s what are you talking about? Hell they were literally invented in Europe. The difference is that for decades Americans stuck V8s in everything - even when they were shit, heavily detuned low compression engines that made no more power than something with half the cylinders and displacement - while in Europe they've always been high end engines that went into high performance and luxury cars. There have also been quite a few European sports cars with American V8 engines. People didn't look down at American V8s (the good ones anyway), they were simply far too expensive to import, hard to find parts for or otherwise unsuitable for the application (for example the enormous displacement gets hit with ridiculous taxes in many countries). The reason people in Europe don't do LS swaps isn't because they don't think LS engine are good, it's because a half decent one will cost you 5 digits plus another grand or two to be delivered, and then if you need any parts (be it for maintenance or mods) you're always going to have to order them from overseas. Hell you'll even need to buy new tools to work on it because nobody here uses imperial spanners for anything. It's just cheaper and easier to use an European engine, for much the same reasons it's cheaper and easier to use an American engine if you live in the US. Now if you want to know something really hilarious is how Americans shunned manual gearboxes for almost a century and would import great European cars and just about ruin them with slow dim witted slushboxes (often GM boxes that weren't even available on these cars in Europe), and now that you can actually get these cars with some great automatic gearboxes they decided they want them manual ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I sure as hell do not have a NASA degree, and I work on my bmw m62b35 in my e39 sedan, and my m62b44tub in my X5 suv without any problems. They are no worse to work on than the 5.4lt Quad Cam V8 in my wifes Aussie 2003 Ford BA XR8 sedan. Sure, not as "simple" as the old 302 "windsor v8" in my old Aussie 1991 Ford EB S Xr8, but really not all that complicated either.The new quad cam v8's are way more powerful and economical than the old school OHV v8's. No I'm not a "qualified" mechanic. I'm just a spare parts interpreter who spins his own spanners and can read & follow the workshop manual.
Keep your German over engineered shit most of their new cars can't even get 100,000 miles without major problem with them there's a reason only rich people and stupid people buy them one person can afford to fix it the other person doesn't know what the hell he's looking at
Not really you just need a basic understanding of electronics, how simple industry standard sensors and actuators work, and the ability to RTFM. That does rule out 90% of American mechanics though. A multimeter is witchcraft to someone who only knows carburettors.
What do you want to see next?!
More legendary diesels, specifically Eurodiesels
Maybe rename this video.
BMWs triple and twin turbo diesels, VW/Bentley/Bugatti “W” engines and VWs “VR” engines
Best four cylinders!
mercedes m113 and 113k are sorely over looked here. I understand the more modern bias but the pedigree that engine family has along with its legendary reliability means it needs its flowers.
The m113k made more torque than 6.2 and could make more power with boltons and was known to be way more reliable.
@@manager96ful just curious, how much boost can they take on stock internals?
@@mfsusanoo7238 Not sure but I seen stock internals + head make 500-550whp, like this one /watch?v=WH9anHng57g.
Absolutely. Those together with the Audi 4,2 40V (apart from the one in the S8) must be the most reliable european V8's.
@@manager96ful lol hey buddy newsflash! The 6.2 can also make 600 hp with simple headers and other bolt ons.... plus it's way better since it's 4 valves instead of the ancient 3 Valve design. I prefer the better flowing and higher revving v8 hands down. Plus it sounds wayyyyyy better. Amg 6.2 is one of the if not The beat v8 engine ever made.
E39 m5 v8 and mercedes m113 and m113k. The best ones for me ever built
Agreed
Base
Mercedes M156 or Porsche/Audi 4.7 TT or 4.0TT both better engines fight me irl
@@BigGuy10Points in which terms better? Might be more efficient… and the rest? Whats better?
@@Semicolonosm156 is race engine and is the best v8 of all time.
The AMG M156 was rated at 630hp in the SLS AMG Black edition. Still one of the best sounding V8s ever made.
That’s an M159 engine which is an M156 with forged parts
@@kv6diecast Dry sump and different intake manifold too.
I think you should mention the diesel V8s made by BMW, Mercedes and Audi/Porsche/VW, they are their own breed and don't get nearly enough attention.
Theres is no way you didn’t out the Mercedes M113K. Came in AMG 55 between 01-06 and it was one of the most! Reliable supercharged 5.5L V8 engines ever made. The NA or M113 is even more reliable how is this not in this list????
Best engine is m60b40 and m62b44 non vanos and s62b50
You forgot the Audi 4.0T in the C7 S6.
See the problem with BMWs is that they are over engineered. Sure that have "100 hp per liter" but the torque is PATHETIC.
Bmw S63 torque>>>
Am sorry you miss M157…..thank you.
The S62 has been forgotten. One of the most reliable.
Other than having rod bearings that are known for prematurely wearing out (read weak under-designed bottom end) and causing catastrophic engine failure, the BMW S65 V8 is a great engine.
This is like saying "Other than having been a wife beater and child abuser, he has been a great husband material overall...."
@@xuanzheng1049 I don't know if they blow head gaskets, but I can't stand when engine designers cheap-out and put only 10 head bolts per 4 cylinder bank.
I mean as long as you change them on a regular basis and let the engine properly warm up before pushing it too hard this shouldnt be an issue
It's been overblown and was mostly from terrible maintenance recommendations and even worst first owner treatment
@@Person-cv9dj Missed your excellent reply!
Mercedes 6.3 and 6.9 m100 style V8s. Heavy, overbuilt and bombproof.....totally German. The BMW 5.0 V8 in the E39 M5. The Audi 4.2 V8.
The Mercedes engines were very much overlooked in this list unfortunately. The m156 engine presented here is arguably the worst Mercedes Amg engine ever made, The m113k in the early e55 and other series of cars for its incredible torque and reliability pretty much unheard of on this list and that from the early 2000s!! and even the m157 5.5 liter twin turbo that is capable of over 750 horsepower with a simple tune in the later 63 amg models.
I would love to see a more in depth review of all the German engines from their brands respectively
Why do you think the M156 is a terrible engine? Out of curiosity? the w204 C63 is arguably one of the best C63 cars
Dude really put some of the most brittle and unreliable engines in one video and named it “bEsT gErMaN v8 eNgInEs”
Audi 4.0 TT
I was waiting for the Mercedes M113K as a obvious choice.... but for some weird reason it was never mentioned on this list?
Avery two cylinder high-pressure steam engine . most are lower pressure and one cylinder.
Great video. I've just bought a 2008 E92 M3 and agree the S65 is amazing with great power and an epic soundtrack though a bit lacking in torque.
in whole video, i didn't hear a word about reliability.
Audi 4.2 doesn’t deserve the hate. Arguable better than every other motor on here
you have the most underrated youtube channel, a million subs guaranteed one day with this quality content!!
Def M113k, as much as we love the M156, the M113k makes too much sense and lacks the other drama. NA is just a boosted car with the boost that never comes on anyway 😆
The 928 V8
The N63TU3 also has twin-scrollers. 👍
The S65 is more exotic than engines that power some exotics!
Audi 4c V8!
Nice 👍 love the content
You forgot Mercedes m113/m113k and bmw s62 engine from e39 m5
Audi rs6 engine 🙂
U should make a video about the W engines
Hello can yo compare between 1uz and 2jz
No M113K? Wow
Where is my Audi 4.2 TDI?
Mercedes 113, BMW m60&M62. Mercedes m119
N62B44
I miss the fuck out of my M3 :( that engine was magical.
S65? I'm selling mine if you're interested
Hey, what do you think of the 4.0 tfsi v8 by audi
I Love Audi RS4 B7❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Not a porsha it’s a
Porsche and S65 is best one
Audi 4.0t
Of course any list is subjective and then what is your criteria? It seems that yours is just overall power and performance with durability not even considered.
I know the early Mercedes-Benz M156 suffered from head bolts pulling out of the block
I have two older Mercedes both with near legendary V8-the M119 and the M1 13
The M1 19 is a particularly interesting engine because over its lifespan of about 10 years it underwent a block redesign from closed deck to open deck, and then 1995 or six completely redesigned pistons and crankshaft. And it underwent three versions of Bosch fuel injection
But the first version of it was used in the Sauber - Mercedes and dominated the LeMans series for two or three years
Both are good for hundreds of thousands of miles with decent maintenance
Honestly I tend to shy away from the newer technology like turbo chargers because the more stuff you have the more stuff will go out. Granted my engines aren't 500 hp but then I don't need 500 hp
I wanted to complement you also on your video on close deck versus open deck - the first time someone was able to explain that to me simply and succinctly
M157
Americans had V8's for many decades and all the Europeans looked down their noses at them.
Now Europeans can't make enough of them.
It's hilarious.
Europeans have always had V8s what are you talking about? Hell they were literally invented in Europe.
The difference is that for decades Americans stuck V8s in everything - even when they were shit, heavily detuned low compression engines that made no more power than something with half the cylinders and displacement - while in Europe they've always been high end engines that went into high performance and luxury cars.
There have also been quite a few European sports cars with American V8 engines. People didn't look down at American V8s (the good ones anyway), they were simply far too expensive to import, hard to find parts for or otherwise unsuitable for the application (for example the enormous displacement gets hit with ridiculous taxes in many countries). The reason people in Europe don't do LS swaps isn't because they don't think LS engine are good, it's because a half decent one will cost you 5 digits plus another grand or two to be delivered, and then if you need any parts (be it for maintenance or mods) you're always going to have to order them from overseas. Hell you'll even need to buy new tools to work on it because nobody here uses imperial spanners for anything. It's just cheaper and easier to use an European engine, for much the same reasons it's cheaper and easier to use an American engine if you live in the US.
Now if you want to know something really hilarious is how Americans shunned manual gearboxes for almost a century and would import great European cars and just about ruin them with slow dim witted slushboxes (often GM boxes that weren't even available on these cars in Europe), and now that you can actually get these cars with some great automatic gearboxes they decided they want them manual ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
M113 and 4.0t smh
Best year for a gas 5.4 ford pick up truck
overly complicated engines ..... like everything germans make
LOL
S65 /s85 motors are junk Heaps !
Power is nice, but I seriously doubt Germans can make reliable V8 engines.
Mercedes’ M113 would like a word with you.
My m62 has 210k miles on it...
@@cmkm54 with no problems?
@@shawncarson8131 with no problems?
@@MrSamPhoenix Highly documented that that engine is very reliable and durable, even in supercharged form. Takes quite a bit of neglect to kill one.
German but don't forget the Italian V8s and the Japanese 4 CAM I would say 3 best. Sorry America pushrod dinosaurs that don't rev don't count in 2023.
Ahhh the list of unreliable expensive garbage is finally here :D
Japanese for reliable v8
European V8 are way worse than American V8s you need an NASA degree to work on them
I sure as hell do not have a NASA degree, and I work on my bmw m62b35 in my e39 sedan, and my m62b44tub in my X5 suv without any problems. They are no worse to work on than the 5.4lt Quad Cam V8 in my wifes Aussie 2003 Ford BA XR8 sedan. Sure, not as "simple" as the old 302 "windsor v8" in my old Aussie 1991 Ford EB S Xr8, but really not all that complicated either.The new quad cam v8's are way more powerful and economical than the old school OHV v8's.
No I'm not a "qualified" mechanic. I'm just a spare parts interpreter who spins his own spanners and can read & follow the workshop manual.
Keep your German over engineered shit most of their new cars can't even get 100,000 miles without major problem with them there's a reason only rich people and stupid people buy them one person can afford to fix it the other person doesn't know what the hell he's looking at
Not really you just need a basic understanding of electronics, how simple industry standard sensors and actuators work, and the ability to RTFM. That does rule out 90% of American mechanics though.
A multimeter is witchcraft to someone who only knows carburettors.
@@BigUriel I can tune engines easy just not European over engineered shit.