What You Don't Know About The *BMW N63 S63 Engine*
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- What You Don't Know About The BMW N63 S63 Engine
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Great video man👌, can you please talk a bit about n63tu2 I think that one goes into m550i g30
Great video!!! Lots of good info. I jus got my first BMW is a 2008 535xi with bad rod bearings. I learned a lot from your videos
Hey Jonathan- always refreshing to hear you calling it the way that it is, with no hipé!
Cool videos on your page, I've got X5M E70 I'm planning on replacing the rod bearings as I do with any performance car I buy, I'm also thinking of replacing the main bearings in place while I'm that deep into the job one at a time of course maybe loosening all the caps slightly, question is have you ever replaced main bearings in situe I'm wondering would I be able to slide out the top bearings especially the thrust bearing in theory it could work any ideas and input would be cool
This is awsome. Great video man. Love these discussions. One thing I've always been lost on thoe. For example. M54 n55 s63 ect. What exactly is the number and letter representing about the engine. Same for chasis codes. For example e46. Does that mean example 46? Lol they like it so they produced it much like wd-40 (water displacement 40th test)
As a tools guy, this advice is good solid information... Listen to him.
Its always nice to listen to wise speech! Subscribed.
Early N55 used in E series had rod bearing issues but from what I've read since 2013 there was a revision where the N55 uses the same rod bearings as the S55 in the M3/M4. Is this true? Also, what are your thoughts on the B58? Apparently its the most reliable engine made by BMW in a while, hence why Toyota use them in the Supra.
rod bearings are easy , the materials are softer than crankshaft. cranks are usually good. your right replace before bangin.
Thanks for the clear and honest take on the rod bearing issues...
It was totally not true.
Oh bro!!! You actually have a BMW workshop channel as well as MRE one? Nice!!!
Rod cap bolts can be reused as long as none of the threads are damaged. That is a new engine manufacturing practice. It’s more important that the person knows the correct torque procedure and sequence. Most people don’t torque then properly because they don’t quite understand torque and angle or clamping load.
greetings brother! Great job, thanks for sharing your knowledge! I can ask you a question, I have a 2012 BMW X6 M, S63 4.4 twin turbo gasoline engine. The block broke, I'm looking for a block to make the new engine. Several mechanics tell me that the N63 block is the same as the S63, is that true? if you can help me thanks 😎
N55 rod bearing not as common, most of the issue is oil starvation. For example replacing ofhg on N55, you need to prime the oil system, many don’t and then have rod bearing issues. There are n55s with over 200k+ miles and no rod bearing issues. Another reason is poor maintenance, not doing oil changes on time or using poor quality oil will damage rod bearings on the n55. N55 engines can go for 250-300k miles with original turbos.
Currently 130k on my N55 no issues runs perfect burns absolutely no oil whatsoever. At this point with the way I maintain it i know it will easily go over 200k and still run great.
My rods failed in April 2020 at 211k. Oil filter housing gasket was leaking really bad and probably starved it. Shes back on the road fully rebuilt with upgraded bearings. Currently 212k.
I hope so. I’ve put 35,000 miles on my 2015 335i but, I’ve done 12 oil changes and 3 Blackstone’s with no bad readings. Crossing my fingers.
you just kill me I was ready to buy it next Monday 🥺 anyway I love you buddy thanks you from Honduras to help me on my new decision
Get a Lexus Ls600hL
Hey Nathan....Good info. I have a 2012 X5 with the N63 and 120k miles on it. Chased my tail with it for a couple years and now going to put a donor N63 with 70k motor into it. Going to do timing chains and crank and rod bearings on it before it goes back into the car. Anything else that you suggest I might look? I plan on taking the original motor and rebuilding it from ground up.
Good video how many bmws do you have?
Good info !!!
I like the 740li with the inline 6 turbo!!!
S63 in the M6 is a better built engine and regular service is a must! It should be no major problems
I thought we were talking about N63’s? Most of the time was spent talking about S85’s. Rod bearings is a historic issue on the S85. BMW NA is now covering the valve guides on the N63. The timing chain and injectors got a service pack.
All have same problem. Yup didn’t miss anything.
I love it when people try to flex driving late model Bimmers, yet they are broke and dusty. I talked to a group of guys in my neighborhood. My neighbor was getting his starter replaced on his N52 engined BMW 528i by a mobile mechanic. When I stated the engine nomaglacier, and told him about the leaky valve covers on those engines, him and his friends looked clueses. My neighbor is in for a world of hurt on that car.
Hey Nathan how can you make this engine last longer.maintance wise x5 50i
Only have the s85 motor but all are screwed if not maintained. Nathan thanks for the comments about my mom it’s appreciated ❤️
No problem Duane thanks for watching
This is very good info for people to know. I'm pretty sure there aren't any 500+ HP cars that run 150K miles without repair (Lexus LC maybe)? This is a driver's car for people with $$ I love my F85. I have $10K under the seat for the first noise I hear. Enjoy your Corollas.
The BMW N63 is a twin-turbo V8 petrol engine which has been in production from 2008 to present. -Google
What oil would you guys recommend for DIY change using 5,000mi oil change intervals? Would 5W-30 full synthetic suffice?
How does all this stand up with the N63TU variant with all the modifications in the Update
You had me on the floor 😂!!!
So if your looking for a more reliable motor go with a B58 (M340i) vs. the M550i?
Wow is it that hard to do main bearings???
Putting the Xhp flash tool on and the 4 wheel drive delete so I can be 2 wheel when I want Xhp flash is a nice remap of this box you won’t go back to stock trust me
Got an n54 with 220k turbos need to come out but with stage 2+ can’t complain since it’s lasted this long
100's of Drifts, 100's of Donuts, 190mph @ 7000rpms for dozens of times, 30 minute exhaust soundbites, revving the engine @ 7000rpms, dozens of quarter mile races popping the engine at 7000 rpms through each gear shift. I have no idea why these engines have so many problems.
They all have problems. It’s built to junk standards. Lexus much better
Great video Nathan. Long live the E46! lol
They have rod issues tooo
@@kobebryant9035 the M3 engines do, the non M e46 is an absolute tank lol
@@tylerwilson5091 Ik the non m does to
I have a big question what can you tell me about the B58 engine is it good or still badd I hope to get an answer from you
is the rod bearing problem with the N63TU3?
Fantastic engine.
Thx bro! I thought to buy x6 n63. God bless you I watched this video and several others about what happening inside this car
Please talk about E65/E66 with N62 engines
I’ve got a 2014 bmw 750li xdrive with 30k. Anything I should worry about? It has low miles..
If the oil and filters are changed every 10,000kms are the rod bearings still problematic?
So good.
Wow was looking at car with replaced and rebuilt and after 9k miles now he says needs new injectors. Said he put new turbos and hoses all so
I got a Autel MS908 scanner had at dealer last year now can't find my 02 banks 1&2 tried everything they don't show up? Can find on other cars. I can see 02 Temps only? Anyway code gone after full pull on hwy. 2006 M5 I'm 231km on motor no bearings done.
I’ve heard the later 550 engines like the 2013 and newer didn’t have a lot of the problems that the 2011-2012 550 had is this true and the newer you get it was better as in the tu ones ?
Get a TU model. Way less issues more power and much more reliable
Frequent oil and filter changes at 10k kms/ 7000miles would prevent alot of these issues. It all started with the optional 20k kms and 30k km intervals. Relatively high revving engines and old oil is not a good combo.
Yeah, just bought mine (m850i) and when I saw the 30k kms oil change interval (a V8 biturbo car, which produces 530hps), I did not really know if I should laugh or cry… 8k kms will be the maximum I will wait for an oil change
Exactly this, the only thing keeping rod and main bearings alive is oil. And not changing it in a super high performance hot turbo motor is just asking for failure. a stitch in time folks...
Yeah, I've heard people talking about their S63s failing, despite the fact that they followed every service interval from BMW, including that ridiculous oil change interval of 30k km. it should be half of that at most. I change mine every year and/or 10k km.
Where are you finding these for $5k...? I can't find a broken 750li anywhere.
How the n51 n52 . Do they have the same problem
So does the f10 m5 suffer these issues?
Don’t forget the valve stem seals. That’s a 40 hr job at the dealership. I’ve seen N63 smoking out of the exhaust as early as 50k miles.
@Mcgyver Beverything you mentioned is spot on!! The only issue in 3 years so far that I HAVEN'T had the pleasure of experiencing is a drained battery lol knock on wood🔨🌴... this is currently my 13th BMW and I am so turned off 🤮 by this car I'll probably buy another and another lol. But It will not be twin turbo V8 that's for sure...unless I can lease one. It's sad that BMW turned to practicing Planned Obselesence after I think the E39 even tho they had their issues it's worlds away worse. Oh one more thing your exactly 💯 correct about they power they put out it's incredible mine is 2011 550XI if I told you the cars that I took in races off the line or at mid range like from 40 and up is probably what's keeping addicted to it.
@Mcgyver B this is the sad truth. My personal favorites are the E34 & E39. The 7 series was an always be be their test mule for new tech which filters down to the others and like you said they are the world champ 🏆 of money pits
@Mcgyver B absolutely
Mine was just smoking heavy out of the exhaust at 47k miles and bmw just approved me for a new engine free of charge
@@C63Ahmed that's great news! What year is your car
I have bmw n63 While driving when i open window i can smell exhaust pretty strong but no visible leaks and bank 2 o2 sensor gets black it runs fine no codes no visible leaks what do you think it’s the problem ?
Is 2022 bmw 550i n63 is reliable or no
Forgot oil coolers, they usually pack some shavings.
I have an X5 N55 with 60k
This engine could have been so much better. I Just did the front seal myself. My n63 has been such a cool customer with regular maintenance. Then again, I'm due for a tension before it starts to rattle.
Ugh the misinformation in this video is sickening
Any about the s63tu?
what misinformation? the n63 is basically a ticking time bomb
@@andrewgarcia3136 rod bearings being an issue on the n55 is one
@@xellium5445 they are an issue on n55s
You should've made a clear clarification at the beginning between N63 an N63TU and the model years, for those not that familiar. They almost different engines. N63s were limited to a few years and quite old now.
Could this be the last BMW (E60 M5) I ever own? Who needs these future headaches?
Also on a side note... I love how everyone blames the rod bearings on all these newer cars but ignores the elephant in the room. The biggest issue to even N54,N55 is failing leaking injectors. The fuel that leaks and goes past the cylinder walls and into the oil,thinning the viscosity of the oil is what I believe damages many of these newer DI engines. Some people have leaking injectors or old non index 12s and keep running the engines till they’ve done too much damage to go back. How many people do you know with injector problems running cars like that all because they don’t wanna fork out 1200+ on new sets.
Unfortunately.... you gotta pay to play with any platform that has high HP even more when modding. Unfortunately.... some people still think these bmws are Hondas 🙄
Or they are trying to flex, yet they are broke and dusty. I talked to a group of guys in my neighborhood. My neighbor was getting his starter replaced on his N52 BMW 528i by a mobile mechanic. When I stated the engine nomaglacier, and told him about the leaky valve covers on those engines, him and his friends looked clueless. My neighbor is in for a world of hurt on that car.
It’s true, leaking injectors will wash down the cylinder walls and potentially turn new 5w-40 synthetic oil into 0w-20, which the nuclear hot s63 will eat up and burn in less than 300 miles. Get a set of Index 12s before anything.
TU’s! Buy the late 2013 and newer. Way better refreshed.
2022 checking in, F10 M5 from first model year are no longer 20-22k ... they're 30k+ with 100k + miles & potentially an accident report
So what I learned from this video if you want a fast 4 door car buy a hellcat or CTS-V
Lmao no
I'm sure he's a knowledgeable guy, but i disagree that all these engines, 6 or 8 cylinders, all have rod bearing issues. And he did make is seem like more than not have issues. If that was the case, no one would make it past 100-120k miles without locking up the engine. I don't hear of that many people replacing bearings; some do, sure, but its not 50% or more.
But, what do I know.
Are the N63 rod bearings still an issue on newer N63TU engines? So the 2008 to 2013 engines are to be avoided, but after that did BMW learn nothing after all the lawsuits and "customer care package" recalls?
New ones are solid
So the n54 dont have this issue? But n55 does?
The N63 has had 3 technical updates. He doesn’t seem to even distinguish the new from the old. I have seen that the updates have helped a lot. I don’t think any of them pertained to rod bearings though.
How can you not mention the problems with the hot V setup of the N63 and S63 engines?
Just brought a 2011 x5M at Copart 1 owner 194k red interior mint turbos been done at 140k runs fine so far at 8k I could not pass it up plus the Copart fees kill you scan with istad needs the low pressure fuel line sensor but that year need to do the hole line so let’s see what happens
How much did you end paying for it?
9,689$ been driving it changed the oil looked fine no leaks or smoke this guy was a sales man drove highway miles so far good no check engine light just a footwell module was no good got on on eBay coded it every thing seems fine
@@OzzyTheFerret129 you should make a video with an update!
Just changed the transmission fluid sleeves and bridge seal nice and smooth
@@OzzyTheFerret129 I was close to buying a X5M in pretty great shape with 140k miles. The maintenance done to it already addressed what a ton of these videos talk about. Thing is my bank wouldn't approve it, and I didn't feel like paying cash. I was close, but I think it's better to finance, and keep the cash for emergencies and investing. But man... I was soooo close.
I bought a 2013 X5M with 91k by 99 I brought it to BMW for airbag replacement then I had oil consumtion test done.. BMW is paying 40% for a new ingine thank god I bought a 4k service contract its 12k for a new ingine install
With warranty? I might need
does the n63tu also have rod bearing issues? i really want a bmw v8, i have owned m54, n52, n55, they have been decent to work on, so i think i am willing to take on the n63tu
n63tu is a whole different engine, it’s much more reliable.
@@paradox5556 wrong, n63tu is still not a master piece it does have rod bearing issues
@@Entertainmentinc1 how am i wrong by saying an n63tu is much more reliable than an n63?
I need help I’m looking at getting a 2012 bmw m5 with 105 000 kms
As someone who likes to but 8 your old BMWs and run them for another 20 years this is very worrying.
AMEN !!! From Bavarian AutoHaus in western NC
The rod bearings hold up...its other things...valve stem seals....
I replaced every part of my coolant system on 09 bmw 550i now she running hot?!? I bleed it and everything?!?
Bro go to a bmw shop in Florida and rebuild engine ,s55 and s65 rebuild 5k job
Hey Nathan I’m at a standstill my AUX and USB inside the center console isn’t working and when I go to select aux from the audio menu I can’t select it, I drive a 08 535i any ideas on what this is? A fuse maybe inside?
Mine only lights up in menu when a aux cord is plugged into it. Thats on my e70. then it can be selected on menu in idrive. Atleast on mine that is
nie wissen I’ve plugged in an aux cord and can’t select the aux in the menu for it to switch to aux
@@rawsick oh. Sorry. Just a guess but maybe the aux plug in is bad. Broken wire, something. I wouldnt think it would have a separate fuse by itself so if something else isn't working maybe a fuse then but I doubt it. My guess first would be bad aux plug in. I've seen them go or wear out in other things. Like my previous car I had once. Can buy new ones. Maybe able to cut off and splice a new one in. (What I did on my kids old legacy gt) this is just a simple guess without actually looking at it myself. Oh...befor it went he said he had to wiggle it around to get sound and replace his cable thinking it was the prob turned out to be the aux plug was bad. It eventually failed completely. Hope its a help
Driving without engine beauty cover on hot 4.4i v's may help with heat disapation. 4.8i is better without the twins.
I'm not sure if he's keeping with the new BMW engines. It seems he's living in the past. He keeps talking about S85 and N55 engines where his title of the video is for N63 and S63. Sure, they got a few honorable mentions but the entire video should have been about them. If you want to talk about the S85 and N55 then make a dedicated video for them. Even N63 would be an old engine. Please talk about N63TU3. BMW made lots and lots of improvements over the 1st gen N63 and they addressed all the issues with N63 and N63TU.
You can’t say that… these engines are still new. Wait 10 years and you won’t be saying that
@@yophilli You're telling me that nearly 18 years since the release of S85 engines, they're still new? I think you're also living in the past. BMW doesn't even make that engine anymore since production ended in 2010. N63TU3 is less than 2 years old now and 10 years from now they'll be over 12 years old and I'll definitely be on to something else newer. If you like to play with old engine, that's your prerogative. But to say that they're still new where BMW stopped producing them over 10 years ago is ridiculous.
@@zzzzVIDEOSzzzz I’m talking about the N63TU3 the ones in the f90 m5 etc
@@yophilli ok but the point is the guy in the video didn't really mentioned N63TU3. He mainly talked about S85 and N55.
Wait so even the 2012+ BMW M6’s still have rod issues??? Talking about the F13,F12,F06
I just bought x6M 2014 not bad so far
How’s it going lol
is it a TU? I bought a 2014 X6 and was surprised to find out (when the rod bearings went out at 93K) that it is NOT a TU!
Welp I’m going to just hang on to my E30
Already bought the 2014 750LI 🙃 here we go
You should be fine. The n63 cars from 2014 and up aren’t accually the n63. It’s the n63tu and it’s way better. Way more reliable. You’ll be fine. But I always recommend maintenance before performance. That means spark plugs injectors coils gaskets and that’s really it. And if you want any more reliably it’s always an option to replace the charge coolers. 🙂
What about someone that wants to buy one and has mechanics around him that, for a price, could help him work on it? I'm learning everything I can about the E60 M5. I get it's not the best engine, but most older cars need a lot of work anyway.
Same I have connections n want to buy one still but when you find out a response let me know lol
Amg is the best you can buy engine wise my opinion, they hold way better
A lot of newer cars with these engines will not have the miles or these problems yet. As awareness of the cost and risk grows, surely their value past 50k miles will tank - they will be unsaleable. If I owned even a lower mileage N63 today I would be thinking about damage limitation - selling. BMW are not the only brand to have problems as legislation has forced them to be more and more complex. All this at a time when EVs are establishing themselves with decent range and much lower running costs.
You'd still have to deal with electrical gremlins and a shit ton of code, only the dealership can access...i'd rather have oil sprayed in my face before i get behind that ridiculous type of engineering.
Show us some rod bearing... i never see anyone say anything about rod bearings
Hi Nathan, would you mind sharing if these engineering issues with BMW engines are ones that are tuned or raced at a track ? I ask because if a BMW engine is maintained correctly and driven by soccer moms to the grocery store and STILL plagued by these issues then it’s more alarming. Alarming as in how on earth can a company the size of BMW with a long history engineer an engine that fails with normal use. Some of these engine issues are not acceptable. Meaning how were these engines not failing during their extreme testing that takes place in research and development before it goes into production ? It’s like the engineers were asleep. I understand that no matter what every manufacturer isn’t going to be able to build an engine that is always trouble free. Even Toyota has hiccups. However, it seems as if BMW is having many many issues. More so than other manufacturers.
Light Aircraft piston engine aviation requires oil change every 100 engine hours. Engine rebuild after 1000-2000 engine hours depending on engine recommendations. Think yourself when manufacturer sets oil change interval 10K miles. 30-50K miles - dead engine.
N63 vs N55 - which is more reliable in a 2018 X5? Completely different I know. My 2014 X5 N55 is about hit 70k and I'm considering selling. Thanks
n55 is less complicated
just take a look at what the two engines look like side by side
Sorry, but a lot of this is foreign to me, but it is interesting. I am thinking about purchasing a 2013 X6 50ix with 35k miles. While I'm planning on paying for an inspection, I'm still leery because of the issues I'm hearing. With regular maintenance, is this a good buy or still a poor decision?
Get a lexus. BMWs are always having some kinda issues when the miles get slightly higher
“Like car ninja” 😂
Dam that b7
@@anthonyk To be fair when hoovie bought the b7 it was already in very bad shape and was already too late to save that thing.
S65 also rod bearing engines.
Never heard of rod bearing problems on N55, im part of an E70 X5 forum and even doing a search yields nothing. Thats not called a rod bearing problem thats people not using the correct oil or oil/maintenance problems in general from the owner. A REAL rod bearing problem is S65 and S85. N55 does not belong in the same category with those engines, the N55 is a reliable solid engine mine currently has 130k runs like it did when it was new and burns no oil.
Exactly what I was thinking. My 2011 535i has 123,000 miles on the clock and runs beautifully. I also do my oil changes religiously at 5,000 miles.
@@zacm5834 5k miles seems to be the sweet spot for oil changes, atleast with the inline 6 engines that we have. I use Liqui Moly and the engine is a bit quieter and runs smoother with this oil i highly recommend it if you dont already use it.
Not all are bad. Theres many with around 170-180k miles including mine. 2011 550i
Do you think it's an good idea to pull the trigger on an n63 with 83k 2013 550i
@@31juelz well honestly it depends. Make sure you check for leaks and idle it for 10-15 mins. Then floor it, if there's smoke then its gonna be burning oil. Also if you've never driven one then go drive a couple so you know what a good one is supposed to feel like
I got a 2012 550i and I’m trying to keep it as reliable as possible while still tuning it , u got any suggestions?
Hi , I have 750 LI X 2012 N63, so far 57 k but some issues with oil leak ,Nt much dripping , should I be concerned ,it ask for 1 qt oil every 1000 700 miles. LMK
It's probably not an oil "leak". It is burning the oil inside the motor.
Fantastic observations. I am even more inspired to get my M6....
Like car ninja 😂😭 that poor B7
How is there no class action lawsuit for all these rod bearings
Because it's not as common as he makes it sound like it is lol
I used to absolutely love all BMW’s . My E38 750iL is an absolute bulletproof ROCKET !!
However, all the ones built after 2008 are usually 100k time bombs. Way too much plastic and bad engineering. I have a friend that I worked with at Corning Telecommunications (Dirk N. ) in Munich that left Corning during the draw-down of 2014 to go to work for BMW . He even told me to ABSOLUTELY STAY AWAY from any BMW’s from 2008 to 2016 . He described the short-cuts that they were taking to reduce all costs for manufacturing. He specifically told me that these cars are and at the time would be JUNK !!