My Week with the 2024 Subaru WRX TR
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- I spend a week with the 2024 Subaru WRX TR to see how the TR upgrades as well as the 2024 changes to the WRX affect it, for better and for worse. I also discuss how it compares to the upcoming WRX tS and its other competitors. What do you think about the 2024 WRX TR? Thanks to Subaru for providing this vehicle to review.
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subaruwrxfan 🎉
Lol he said it.
Wikkid callback 😂
Nostalgic
is back
Omg that into brought me back 🥹
allll the way backk in fact!!
I love my TR after 3 weeks. More than the 18 Sti I had new. The clutch and shifter are so much better in the new one. Rides better and just drives better all around.
Great video Matt 👍 Loved the OG Subaru WRX FAN into. Hope you and the family are doing well. Peace from Virginia ✌
It looks like a Honda civic in the back eww 💩
Your insight and experience is highly valued, thanks!!
Glad it was helpful!
Long time since I watched Matt. Good to be back. Nice job Matt.
LETS FUCKIN GOOOO
SUBARU WRX FAN IS BACC
I had a 2022 loaded 6-speed WRX and loved it, but the car just became average to drive after 30k miles. I recently traded it in on a 2024 TR and I can’t believe how much fun this car is to drive. The recaros are SO comfortable and I like them. Better than the regular buckets. The bolsters are perfect. The steering and suspension is so much better. I love the firmness and crisp turn in compared to the regular WRX. Also, the brakes are awesome. Mine don’t squeak at all. As a practical daily, it has amazing interior space and AWD practicality for all seasons and car seats in the back. I totally disagree with most of the complaints Matt has in this video. I have wireless CarPlay and it’s fast and works well. I do agree with the eyesight complaints. I don’t want that crap in my car and I hate that I can’t fully turn it off. If you set the cruise control and come up on someone it automatically slows you down. I don’t want that feature and I want to shut it off but Subaru doesn’t let you.
I'm glad you're enjoying the TR more than I did! Everyone's different :)
I did the sane, traded in 2022 premium wrx for this 2024 tr pretty much the same as what Matt drove in ignition red. I can certainly feel the improvements but more for a better driving. It is a bit stiffer but not by much, the steering is better but still not Honda/Acura good talking about the weight. I had to put install a shift stopper to remove the sloppiness but I still prefer the Honda/Acura mechanical feeling shifters. The power and awd specially here in pacific northwest during rainy days make me appreciate it unlike those fwd even with limited slip diffs just can’t match. The rev limiter I agree with Matt, I wish it has 1-2k more as it feels so short specially in lower gears when you are trying to push it hard. GR Corolla has indeed better awd vectoring and rawness ala STI of old, but the small displacement 3 cyl engine that is pushing out that much power though it is a Toyota engine, not so sure how long that will hold up. Even the interior space (seats and trunk) in gr corolla is much tighter if you have a small family so I went with wrx. I am just enjoying this car as the last days of manual combustion engines are numbered as electrification is fast approaching
Thr suspension improvements are probably just from going to 19". Tbh i d just get the base with 17" for ride comfort and cheaper tires for autocross
Wow. I like critical Matt as opposed to “it’s not that great, but it’s fine.” Or “I don’t really like it but it’s fine.” Being critical and committing to the flaw is more fun to watch.
Ayyye SubaruWrxFan finally posted again!
BEST REVIEW ON THIS CAR BY FAR, SO MUCH INFO!
Thank you, I’m glad you liked it!
I just read Motortrend's review of the TR. In all performance metrics, it's just about the same of all other WRX models. This seems kinda pointless for the prices
Subaru is just cashing in on bigger margins without any real R&D. The best value is the base or premium trim and do the upgrades yourself and get a better product in the aftermarket.
It's not that simple. The performance braking tests they do are one time stops. The brakes on the TR, which are bigger and more robust, don't necessarily stop better (As stopping is tire limited); they last longer after repeated stops and thermals. The suspension is sharper, which doesn't necessarily translate to lap times as it does it in making the car more predictable in hard driving. The seats are better, but that doesn't translate into lap times. The car has better steering feel. But that doesn't... Anyway, you get the point.
@@caryg4638100% agree! You don’t drive stats, you drive engagement. The new TR is a more fun car to drive in everyday, and as a daily driven sport sedan it really does hit the sweet spot and I love mine!
@@caryg4638being stiffer should help the lap time in this context. The stock wrx suspension is soft enough to negatively affect it on track
Take a base and this to a track day see what one does more laps during the day lol
Good equipment but the price! Got 2023 Premium MT in March for $31K. Added EBC pads, DOT4 fluid, intake w/ custom tune (+75 whp and 130 ft-lb), catback, STI trans/ motor/ diff mounts, 20mm wheel spacers, tinted windows and speaker upgrades and it’s really great. And I’m getting 26 mph in mixed but mostly highway driving.
Fellow (former) NASIOC member here! I appreciate the honesty with this TR. So many reviewers hear Brembo brakes and Recaro seats and they fawn over them without actually testing them. Just because it says Recaro, doesn't mean it's going to be a fantastic seat for all conditions and all body types. The VB generation seems like Subaru is phoning it in, and now this TR edition seems like it is a phoned in trim level. Not impressed.
There are plenty on dealer lots right now. I thought about grabbing a premium trim for $3k off sticker 1.9% apr. It’s not a bad deal if you don’t expect a truly special driving experience and just want something kinda fun, manual and AWD. But I understand what you mean.
Its basically the performance pack from like last gen. I dont think its bad, but its not anything special either
Yep, with Mustangs for example, would rather just have the leather seats over Recaros.
I think Subaru has been phoning it in for a long time. My opinion is that they don't seem to care about about enthusiasts. They just wanna sell Crosstrecks. Even manufacturers that are struggling make minor improvements as needed. Matts right about the bang for buck aspect with the GR.
Peak Subaru was 15+ years ago. They need to get their act together. I owned 5 Subarus in a row from the early 90s (including a 1995 Legacy wagon that went to 320,000 miles and would have easily gone longer) until a highly tuned and modded 2008 Legacy GT. Now I'm driving a newer Nissan truck there's no way I'm going back to a sedan.
Thanks for always providing your true thoughts on how you feel about a car and the manufacturer’s decisions, whether it may be positive or negative. Don’t change, Matt!
Thanks, Matt. This was a good, honest and fair review.
That screen is disgustingly big... Jeepers, Subaru. Who needs that? I'm still rocking an iPhone mounted to my vent on a 2014 CrossTrek Sport and am perfectly fine. Manuals 4ever!!!
Great job, Matt. I'm glad you spent the week with this car right after the Elantra N for reference
It’s pretty nice but I would change those plastic fenders for carbon fiber ones. But I think I would rather have a Elantra N instead.
Thanks for the honest review
oh, man, Maran. this feels like the video i would have made if i had gone through with a TR order. your underlying disappointment is palpable. 😕
i've been trying to convince myself to place an order at my local dealer for three months now, but never felt 100% sure. i've had four STIs previous, so i know and love the product, but something in the back of my mind kept waving me off the follow through and this week i finally committed to something ... a 2024 Audi S4 Prestige, fully loaded, that i pick up this weekend.
i know it's weird to cross-shop those two, but i am that guy. thanks for an honest, straight-forward review.
Absolutely, glad you liked it and congrats on the new S4! I love them, great choice!
I've always told my clients (8 years selling the brand) the WRX is a better daily driver than the STI. Unless you plan on doing track days or autocrossing, the performance gains of the STI are simply wasted potential. (and a higher cost of ownership) Not to mention those of us in AZ/CA can't get 93 octane, which the STI requires to make its full hp. Maybe it's the 52-year-old in me that still says a WRX Premium or Limited is really all the car most people will ever need on the street.
Subaru still offers the armrest extension- part number J2010VC000
Can't be said enough, that huge display is the deal killer pure and simple. I'm done living with this junk, its ugly, blinds you at night, never works right, you can't find the buttons, and your stuck with it and can't do anything to upgrade it with something better. New cars really suck these days. This really is the deal killer for me.
@@petebusch9069 the safety nannies on Subaru's just keep getting worse and worse every year.... super annoying... and what's dangerous is taking your eyes off the road to deal with the stupid oversized touch screen to do simple tasks like adjust your heater / AC Temps while you're scooting on down the road
@@marcusfieldfield4069 Ironic how Subaru pushes the hell out of safety but then decides to put a big screen in the middle of the dash LOL. The times were living in are so f ed up.
@@petebusch9069 👍 it's only common sense you're ripping around pushing your car to its limits and you have to look at a computer screen for any controls that are not on the steering wheel... like the song says " keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel " that was the FIRST thing we learned in driver education in high school !! I will keep my 2016 base model with 43 K miles on it did I purchased for 26.5 on Christmas Eve 2015... these new ones are too complicated and over-engineered
The Premium trim around $35k seems like the sweet spot for these. Once you’re in the $40k range, there are better options out there for most people. Great video, Matt!
I had to triple check that I was on the right channel 😂😂 I love this call back too
Great video. I had a 2001 WRX and absolutely loved the hell out of it for every second, and it didn't have any of these "advancements" you talk about here, most of which seem to make the car worse or at least no better. And the acceleration time is the same as my '01, and for way more money even adjusting for inflation. Thats nutso. Cant figure out who this car is for, considering the competition.
Was at a Subaru dealer and sat in the WRX and the BRZ both with a stick and I was turned off by the very high gear shifts on both. Seems like they could of lowered it by 2-3 inches. Also the long throws felt clumsy. Give me a short shifter! 😑
They sell sti short shifters and there are dozens of affordable aftermarket shirt shifters. Problem solved
Great driving review. Thx Matt.
I remember my 2004 STi had a cutout in the right hand bolster to help provide room for shifting and armrest access.
Rewatched the intro 3 times. Too good. Thank you Matt.
Glad you liked it!
Brembo squeak is 'normal', coming from a DE Z33 GT coupe (06) for 7 years and almost at 4 years with this HR Z33 GT roadster (07). I've squeaked approaching stop signs and stop lights for just about 11 years now.
These already have some pretty steep discounts, at least by me on the east coast. Still a regular model makes more sense
This thing, while starting to grow on me, hasn’t grown on me enough to replace my ‘13 hatch. Instead of considering an “upgrade,” I think l finally pull the trigger and get sways, end links, and LCAs for my hatchie and call it a day.
The nostalgic whiplash that intro gave me!! Great vid, Matt!
Subaru needs to make another STI. This is ridiculous. I own a 2020 Bluebaru STI and I'm glad I picked it up when I did. 😊 I really hope Subaru comes to their senses and make another STI. A great video brother. Subies forever. 😊
For this price you can buy a LEXUS IS350 F-Sport, a 2024 model! Good job Matt! I wish the car had port-injection along with the direct injection.
There are soundproofing things that you can do if drone is a problem
The FA20 in the 2015-2021 WRX also has a fair bit of drone on startup. It’s only exacerbated with an aftermarket J-pipe
would love to see you go back and drive the C6 Z06 that you were "meh" on at the time. I'm pretty sure you would change your tune these days with your newfound perspective.
Yeah I really want to revisit the C6 Z06. I agree, I might appreciate more these days.
I think the Elantra N is definitely the say to go for the price! Great review
@@Therafester14 if only it had awd
Ha! the orange lane departure light on the dash. We have that on our Outback. At least it stays off permanently instead of needing to turn it off every time you start the car. However, the only way we found to fix it was put a small piece of black paper tape over the light so you cant see it when driving. Got use to it, but annoying nonetheless.
Nobody needs Brembos and Recaro seats to drive to Starbucks 😂😂😂
Yeah! We got the subbbaruughdbbrrexxxfannn back here!!!
The factory Brembos on my VA STi squeaked a ton too…I took it to get them changed out under warranty. Apparently you have to properly “bed” them, otherwise they squeal.
All of the sti Brembos would squeal from time to time, it was the pass they came with factory. Change out the pads to a less aggressive pad and no more squeak. Performance car problems lol.
lol my moderately modified 2015 base model with a non-touchscreen head unit kicks the shit out of these new top trim ones.
Brakes should have just been a dealer add on along with the seats 💺 on all trims in my opinion 🤷♂️
I would take the base and cry all the way to the bank!😂
In Canada the Corolla gr base is 50 grand and the tr is 45 g.
Great review, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Oof that intro threw me back! Woulda been cool if you did your old school intro with that song or even that “subaruwrxfan” light intro with the revs 😁
Happy 4th of July!
It looks like a Honda civic in the back with the lights eww 💩
Nice throwback
If this had 6 speed STI transmission in it with the diffs (like old Legacy GT Spec-Bs, with standard WRX engine) at this price it might be both track ready AND tuner ready in the fact that you have much more ceiling for power without busting split case WRX transmission on the track or street for that matter.
Shopping around and test drove a base spec WRX and loved it. Went to give the TR a go and just sitting in those seats… nope! Not for a daily driver, not for me at least. Will probably go for a Sport model just for the nav and wireless options. Pisses me off that in 2024, neither is standard on a base model. Wtf?
No idea about the us but in Australia GR Corolla and golf R is no where near the price range of a wrx lol …. WRX is around 50-60k aud depending on trim and GR Corolla literally cost 70k aud and golf R is around 76-78k aud … it’s not even close in terms of pricing … I m baffled how these cars are priced so similar over in the US 😂
The fuel consumption is totally unacceptable, IMO.
That made me smile so hard :')
The outside looks like a old focus. Not very sporty. I think a 2 door version would help alot
I value your thoughts on this car more than most. It sounds like a good car but not competitive for the price unless you go to the base trim. Thats what I did with my 22 BRZ and was out the door for $29k with no iSight nannies. Darn the Corolla keep orbiting in my head!
How is it not competitive? Name one other car that offers 4 doors, a six speed manual, AWD, cheap insurance, good fuel mileage, good reliability, amazing residual value, spacious interior for FOUR full size real humans, a spacious trunk and the ability to haggle to get one below MSRP AND an amazing aftermarket presence and support. No other cars for sale offer all of that. Not the Golf R, not the Elantra N, not the M3, not the CT4VBW, not the Civic Type R, and not the Corolla GR. Slam the WRX all you want, but it is the best all around car you can buy right now! It is a dying breed and we should be thankful it exists!
@@SuzukiKid400 in the base model it is a good value. The trims above take it beyond what I would pay for it.
Yea, base model is a nice proposition
@@aroundomaha I agree with you. Anything past the premium trim doesnt make sense for a WRX imo. The msrp for the TR is literally $13,000 more than I paid OTD for my 23' base. I could get a BBK kit and recaro sporters and still have leftover money
@@BDA0531 I have a BRZ but the WRX is on my bucket list of cars. Wish they’d make a wagon/hatch version
Good points for sure. In Canada, the value proposition is somewhat different as well as the competition’s pricing. The best value is still in the lower trims though(base/sport here).
One thing that you could have touched on more is how it compares to the competition as a family car. Many enthusiasts(myself included) are getting older and starting families. I recently bought a 2024 WRX Sport over the GR Corolla, Elantra N, and the Civic SI because it has a larger rear passenger compartment and easier access to it. My FRS just wasn’t cutting it anymore as a dad of two, and four doors and a spacious interior were top priority.
It's great that they ditched the dunlops for the TR. Those Dunlops are absolute garbage, and I'll never understand why they're the only option for tires. They delivered my wife's WRX to Denver Colorado in the middle of winter with those trash summer tires and wanted to upcharge us $1200 to put all seasons or snow tires on. Needless to say we purchased a set of aftermarket wheels and good tires and brought them with us to pick up the car.
Man subaruwrxfan, I love hearing it brings back memories much love brother!
I was behind a new WRX the other day. They have the ugliest rear end of any WRX ever made. Gross
$45k is a ridiculous price for that car.
If they offered the wrx power train in either the Impreza hatch, or brought the levorg body to the states with this power train, I would buy one immediately. I've owned a 2015 wrx, 2020 performance package wrx. Now I have a 2016 F150 crew cab 6.5 ft bed. 3.5 ecoboost. I love it, I work construction, haul tools around from job to job. But I miss having a fun car. However, a sedan is too small for tall items. I often had problems when I had my other wrxs. A good wagon or hatch would be enough to get slightly taller items in. I don't often carry large materials just my tools. But the Fa24 power train is a monster, far improved over the Fa20, and I love Subaru's flat 4 and symmetrical awd system. It's so great. If they would simply take the VB wrx underpinning and put it in either of those 2 chassis, I would trade my truck immediately. I want an awd hot hatch of sorts. Not really any out there for a decent price anymore.
No you wouldn’t. The Levorg is the ugliest thing on earth. You wouldn’t buy one
@19hundoc47 that's entirely subjective to the person lol they aren't too bad. And if it any way resembled the Levorg "STI" model they showed then I'd absolutely take it with this powertrain in it. As long as it's the FA24 and the 6 speed. Not the cvt
Import a Mexican wagon model, swap the vin of it with an Impreza, hide that car in a garage forever, live in a state with no inspections, never get in an accident
.
and never ever ever sell it.
All of this is a joke, just move or wait 25 years.
I love my 23 Limited, but I can not get comfortable in the seats. Anything over 30 minutes bothers my back, which is why I didn't notice this on 3 different Limited test drives. I'm even considering selling it because of this. Definitely bummed because the rest of the car is really good. Lots of fun in the twisties!
I had a similar weird problem with a VW seat. Turns out I had a hip problem developing, that took a while to figure out. Combination of SI joint and bursitis. The limited seat is the most adjustable, but I will say for some anatomies some seats do not work. Visit a physical therapist before you sell your car. I loved my VW diesel after my hip was better…at least until they had to buy it back!😮
The Elantra N might be nice but doing a front wheel burnout every time you take off quickly with the wheels turned gets old lol
The loud startup is because theres no secondary air pump and a valve opens and connect the intake directly to the exhaust to enrich exhaust flow in O2 to help heat the cat quickers
Wow Matt you totally trash this car... but I agree with everything you said
Haha gotta be honest!
@@MattMaranMotoringWe appreciate that.
For the price difference, I still don’t regret getting my 2023 Premium.
It's the best bang for buck I have a 23 premium as well no regrets lol
10:35 oof…
I love my VB as well but cmon bro the brakes are horrible 😂 it's ok you're not alone.
serbaderxfan, here
Did subaru fix where you have to go to third for 60 mph? Seemed like they were initially in manuals :(
I still wonder what your NASIOC screen name was lol
Gr86 or WRX ?
SUBARUWRXFAN HERE!
@matt maran, quick thoughts on GRC interior and cargo space vs WRX. Stock power is low, but once u start modding the WRX it comes alive in a way the competition doesn't.
4:50there is arm rest extension option, you will see it in “build your car”
Not very fair to compare sticker price. WRX can be had $3000 or more below sticker with low interest rates. Competition he's using cannot.
They made a WRX for WRX people 😂
At this point there is no reason outside of needing awd to get a wrx over a N
I think the premium trim is perfect for balance of value and performance. Also, while a GRC is more fun, it basically has no backseat room for family, and I worry about the longevity of a 1.6 liter engine with heavily boosted to 300hp.
450k lets get Matt to 500k subscribers !!
I love my ye’old faithful wrx
Those Recaro seats are rock hard, you might as well be sitting on a piece of wood.
Instant click. This is the type of review I can relate to and enjoy
Man I love this car thank you Matt
Thanks for watching!
@@MattMaranMotoring anytime
He said the thing!
Meanwhile, my car sits over 4000 on RPM at the top gear (5th) on the highway 😅
SubaruWRX Fan is back!
I wonder if the answer is base WRX and a good professional tune
OMG Matt stop complaining about the ride.. news flash..it’s a WRX! But yes we can agree on the dreaded plastic cladding..🤪
It was so great to hear "Subaruwrxfan!" in your intro! Thanks for this fun and informative video! 😃👍
Glad you liked it!
great video. you just saved me a bunch of money
Can you hear the turbo on this generation Matt
No lol
No
@@pharmztko that really blows
Yeah unfortunately not. Gotta go for a GR Corolla if you wanna hear turbo sounds.
No it honestly doesn’t feel like a wrx. Tried a VB for 6 months and sold it because it felt soulless. I ended up going back to a VA STI.
I have a 2017 STI, and I thought the 2024 TR was every bit as fast as my car. I test drove one back in February. I think I’m holding out for the 2025 TS though. I may even wait until 2026 to see if the top trim actually gets more power.
Maybe, just maybe... Subaru might cave in and actually bring back the STI. One would think they have heard the outcries and backlash they've gotten for cancelling the WRX STI for the VB gen platform which was a low blow on Subaru's poor decision making end.
@@antoinelee-thomas9536 That’s what I’m hoping.
The Borla S Type for my FA20 sounds amazing! I bet it would be great on a FA24!