You can read more about the deck, including a non-budget list, at www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-99-26-tix-teferi-s-pool-modern Match 1: 9:06 Match 2: 21:38 Match 3: 37:20 Match 4: 49:43 Match 5: 1:04:42 Wrap Up: 1:13:48
MTGGoldfish I read your write up on this deck, and i wanna play it in paper by converting Nevermore over to this. But, im not sure how the lock works, as far as how my opponent cannot cast an exiled spell. How does knowledge pool not recognize their spells?
I loved seeing the transcribed text of what the opponent was saying! So damn funny! This is by far one of the most entertaining Budget Magic episodes ever! It was pretty great seeing the Eldrazi Tron player say your deck was unfair....they are playing Eldrazi Temples + Tron lands...the lack of self awareness is staggering! I vote that in the beginning of every video you say "Hey everyone its Seth, probably better known as Somewhat Impractical but Cool." Love the series, the channel, and most of all you Seth, you bring so much fun and joy to us on the daily, and I just want to say how much I appreciate it!
I played this combo in EDH a few times. First time I was playing another janky deck and I also had a fast clock on the table with a keerning stone, but every other time everyone just sighs and agrees to kill me immediately.
actually, -shatter storm- shattering spree (thanks Polski Suzeren for the correction) should work. since you can replicate it, which are copies and not cast from hand...
The card blocking that isn't Knowledge Pool but Teferi. Teferi only allows you to cast spells at Sorcery speed, but replicated spells are cast at Instant speed.
not shatterstorm, but shattering spree is the replicate card, and it would absolutely work. the replicate copies are created on the stack and are not cast, which bypasses both teferi and knowledge pool entirely.
Probably the best Budget Magic deck you've ever made(at least for a lover of control and jank like myself). Literally gave me a reason to get back into Modern.
just an advice, if u're in a critical situation (47:00) and keep drawing lands, just ghost quarter ur own lands to thin your deck to get more chance of drawing an active card
I went to a GP playing a similar deck with possibility storm and Emrakul, sided into Teferi for the hard lock. Was pretty sweet. Didn't do that well due to some bad luck, but the games I turn five Emrakul'ed them or locked with Teferi were sweet.
I love decks like this. I built the "trading post tron" deck you posted a few years back and still lock out peole with mindslaver and am like "gotcha"..."won game one with 5 min left" haha worth it
I missed knowledge pool lock. I remember the first time seeing you play the lock. It was my favorite against the gods ever except for 32 rhinos. Need to try that again
I love that someone playing Eldrazi Tron would complain about something being "unfair." Thank you, Lord of Jank, for showing those folks what it's like to be on the receiving end of balderdash.
I like this list, wondering if you can splash green for a better finisher/mana ramp and "time of need" which is a 1G sorcery that says: "search your library for a legendary creature and put it in your hand"
Is Knowledge Pool better than Omen Machine though? Omen Machine does not deal with their current hand, but it does prevent them from drawing some outs Knowledge Pool leaves open such as Shattering Spree, Ulamog, World Breaker, Eldrazi for Kozilek's Return, Ancient Grudge, Grape Shot or just creatures for already active Äther Vial.
Carter Dickson If you play Ulamog and immediately blow up Knowledge Pool, you dont get an Ulamog on the battlefield. Gotta do the two steps if you want the big daddy
If they have Ulamog, yes. Cast triggers would get around the lock (I believe Ulamog would still get exiled, but they would be able to destroy lock pieces so future spells would resolve).
So the exile on cast triggers would go on the stack, then Pool trigger would hit the stack (this is due to active player getting triggers before nonactive). Pool would exile Ulamog, and the cast triggers of Ulamog would exile the two targets. So your Pool “exiled” an Ulamog permanently at worst, and at best your opponent punts and YOU get the Ulamog if they didn’t target Pool.
Taylor Jones They exile Teferi and a land, then they cast a random spell to play Ulamog to exile K Pool and a land. 4 exiles and an Ulamog is quite exciting
I wonder if this deck could be improved by running it similar to God Pharaoh's Gift in standard right now. loot until you discard a Knowledge Pool then reanimate it with refurbish. If you go Teferi on one turn then KP the next and still have 1 mana to trigger KP on the same turn. Chart a Course could even be good.
I was thinking making a budget friendly bant lockdown deck using the combo with rule of law or any card that is similar to rule of law and also adding helix pinnacle to the deck as a win con and adding a few other teferis like hero of dominaria and time reveler and celestial colonnade to make it more spicy
Absolutely hilarious video, but I wish you showed the actual chat, even a screenshot would do. If the point of the deck is to make people salty, I wanna see the salt.
Sick deck. Just a comment at 47:50 you were convinced you were dead to Island Walk granting lord, but you only had 1 island in play and 3 Ghost Quarter. You could just GQ your own island to be able to block.
I built the last knowledge pool deck and went 5-0 the first fnm I brought it to. I look forward to building this version and surprising people with a new version.
The idea that the stack is not "clear" after the first spell is successfully exiled with knowledge pool does not seem correct. This combo would shut down my casts on anytime that I could not cast a sorcery. But if I am in M1 or M2 and I cast a spell, pool exiles it. There is a period after that effect. The stack is clear. I can now cast an exiled card from pool... Please correct me here.
The problem is that the Knowledge Pool puts the trigger on the stack. It's all one trigger. So when you cast the spell knowledge pool makes a trigger than basically says "I exile your spell, but you can cast one of the cards exiled by me," since this trigger is on the stack, the spell you try to cast with Knowledge Pool isn't considered a sorcery, so Teferi won't let you cast it.
That is where you are losing me, "isn't considered a sorcery" does not matter. Teferi doesn't say you can't cast spells unless they are sorcery spells. He just puts a timing restriction. The argument here would be weather or not that stack is clear. As soon as the cast spell is exiled the stack is clear (because of the period in pool.) Then a new spell is put on the stack, in place of the original. Then as we attempt to cast the spell, we have to check with Teferi, is this a time that as the casting player, I could cast a sorcery. The answer there is yes. This lock does not work as well as was once thought.
Isn't there a possibility that the programming on MTGO is off and that this deck is more of a wording exploit than an actual combo? I'm watching the video and it seems like something is off...
At 4:05, Seth claims that "everything the opponent can do to get out from under it from their hand is just locked out of the game." This isn't precisely true. One can get out from under the Teferi - Pool lock with exactly Shattering Spree, provided one has enough mana to pay Spree's Replicate cost at least once. The copy of Shattering Spree generated by Replicate isn't cast, and thus circumvents the lock. Use the copy to blow up the Knowledge Pool, and you can cast spells normally again (within the confines of Teferi's restriction).
You can read more about the deck, including a non-budget list, at www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-99-26-tix-teferi-s-pool-modern
Match 1: 9:06
Match 2: 21:38
Match 3: 37:20
Match 4: 49:43
Match 5: 1:04:42
Wrap Up: 1:13:48
MTGGoldfish I read your write up on this deck, and i wanna play it in paper by converting Nevermore over to this. But, im not sure how the lock works, as far as how my opponent cannot cast an exiled spell. How does knowledge pool not recognize their spells?
He explains it here: ua-cam.com/video/mwvDP7yS9YQ/v-deo.htmlm55s
You are EVIL, man! Pure EVIL!!!
Drawing Knowledge pool off a thirst for knowledge is a flavor win
Opponent: "Where do I click"?
Me: "On the concede button".
Reported
Sasuke kuniski Denied
Hey what's up? It's Seth probably better known as Saffron"Somewhat impractical but cool"Olive
I loved seeing the transcribed text of what the opponent was saying! So damn funny! This is by far one of the most entertaining Budget Magic episodes ever! It was pretty great seeing the Eldrazi Tron player say your deck was unfair....they are playing Eldrazi Temples + Tron lands...the lack of self awareness is staggering!
I vote that in the beginning of every video you say "Hey everyone its Seth, probably better known as Somewhat Impractical but Cool." Love the series, the channel, and most of all you Seth, you bring so much fun and joy to us on the daily, and I just want to say how much I appreciate it!
Chapterhouse86 Tron salt is a delicacy to me
I pretty much only play Commander. Watching this was like watching my format run up and mug Modern. Truly a joy.
I played this combo in EDH a few times. First time I was playing another janky deck and I also had a fast clock on the table with a keerning stone, but every other time everyone just sighs and agrees to kill me immediately.
The deck could've be named: Teferi's poolparty
phatbastard0alkaline Urza's hottub party happening next door.
Or Hot Tub Teferi Machine.
And the pool is filled with seawater
not seawater, "salt" water.
Well there's the name of the non budget version.
Some days from the deck tech Budget Magic looks more like Against the odds. This is one of those days.
this is definitely not an against the odds deck and Seth has played this deck before 3 years ago its the same decks over and over again
Paul Anderson the old one used curse of exhaustion not teferi
First sees Knowledge pool: Okay this seems interesting.
Reads Teferi: *builds deck for next FNM*
"Salty Eldrazi" is my new favourite archetype
Sounds like calamari. Inter-dimensional calamari.
LOL "Salty Eldrazi"
"somewhat impractical but cool :)" is the reason why we love you seth! keep up the good work
I would actually like to see you play a non-budget version of this deck on the stream!
yargamafrag YES!!!! This was the greatest episode in a long time!
This deck is sweet. If you ran settle the wreckage over day than you don't even lose teferi with the lock active
I like it. Might have to be in the non-budget build though, since it's weirdly expensive from Standard.
Wow. I have only seen this combo in Commander before. I had no clue it was Modern Legal! That's both disgusting and beautiful.
Could an updated version of this deck be made using the new little Teferi? This deck was so cool I bet an alternate version would be fun to see
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Hahahah got me there dude
Oh man this is the first Modern deck I built on MODO. Explaining the interaction to angry people never, ever gets old.
33:40 Wouldn't it be nice if opponent restarted the game with Karn, with Teferi and Knowledge Pool in play. :D
Oh god, that would be brutal.
I wanted to see that happen
I do like the pleasing was that thirst for knowledge is usually cast either looking for or discarding knowledge pool. Very neat.
"Maybe they're filing a bug report".... Absolutely beautiful.
actually, -shatter storm- shattering spree (thanks Polski Suzeren for the correction) should work. since you can replicate it, which are copies and not cast from hand...
I don’t think Teferi specifies from hand
Knowledge pool does. The copies shouldn't get exiled by it.
The card blocking that isn't Knowledge Pool but Teferi. Teferi only allows you to cast spells at Sorcery speed, but replicated spells are cast at Instant speed.
no they aren't otherwise storm would play replicate spells.
not shatterstorm, but shattering spree is the replicate card, and it would absolutely work. the replicate copies are created on the stack and are not cast, which bypasses both teferi and knowledge pool entirely.
T-shirts with "Somewhat impractical but cool" when?
I'll bump it to the top of the list.
Probably the best Budget Magic deck you've ever made(at least for a lover of control and jank like myself). Literally gave me a reason to get back into Modern.
Sweet!
Best part of the video is when he said "of courser"
just an advice, if u're in a critical situation (47:00) and keep drawing lands, just ghost quarter ur own lands to thin your deck to get more chance of drawing an active card
This so sweet on mtgo, where your opponents have to figure out how it works by themselves. So awesome to watch!
43:41 "gets in with aether vial"
Usually MTG content is a bit dry to watch, but Seth always delivers on fun.
Yay knowledge pool is back!
"When you see someone playing a card you've never seen before, there's gotta be some degenerate reason." Yes.
I went to a GP playing a similar deck with possibility storm and Emrakul, sided into Teferi for the hard lock. Was pretty sweet. Didn't do that well due to some bad luck, but the games I turn five Emrakul'ed them or locked with Teferi were sweet.
I love decks like this. I built the "trading post tron" deck you posted a few years back and still lock out peole with mindslaver and am like "gotcha"..."won game one with 5 min left" haha worth it
omg i love the seth commentary so much :D
it is so enjoying to watch his videos of odd and "random" decks
After only just getting into watching modern, it's a lot of fun to see 'em run into some EDH combos!
I was actually waiting for a non-budget and competitive version of a knowledge pool deck. But I'm happy it's back even on budget.
15:13 "opponent says G damnit"... 10/10 Seth, keep up the work
oh my god :D this is so beautiful ! Thank you so much seth. you enjoying the hardlock of opponents makes this even better
Seth’s pure joy is amazing in this. Congrats on the crazy deck man!
I love youtube suggesting this again in 2020, after T3feri Knowledge Pool. Really cool backwards compatibility.
I have this deck IRL, this was so much fun to watch haha. The amount of judge calls I've had...
I’m really looking forward to Standard Super Friends with Oath of Teferi as the Against the odds deck after Dominaria comes out.
This is the most fun looking control deck I've seen in a while
The best part is watching people get locked out. The second best part is Seth's pure glee at watching people get locked out.
nothing brings joy to my life like knowledge pool locks, thank you
It's always great to see a deck that makes Seth this happy
When the win goal is not 5-0 but seeing the reactions. That is the true essence of a classical troll.
The world needs a non-budget version of this deck to be played on an episode.
"vs. Salty Eldrazi" oh Seth, we love you
THE SALT!!!! I LOVE THIS DECK!!! 2022 still rocking it.
The game against Salty Eldrazi was the best thing i've seen in forever
I am so excited! I just put this combo into my Ydris EDH after seeing your Blue EDH combos video.
I missed knowledge pool lock. I remember the first time seeing you play the lock. It was my favorite against the gods ever except for 32 rhinos. Need to try that again
I'd probably change some of the lands out for irrigated farmland just for the fact of the cycling on it makes flooding out a little harder.
This is the coolest lock-combo I've ever seen.
17:43 SaffronOlive in one sentence.
I absolutely love your commentary! Hahaha. SO much emotion and it's great!
I love that someone playing Eldrazi Tron would complain about something being "unfair." Thank you, Lord of Jank, for showing those folks what it's like to be on the receiving end of balderdash.
This was my favorite budget deck in a long time.
My favorite lock is Underworld Dreams & Forced Fruition. I have only pulled it off a few times.
You've brought EDH to modern. Love it!
I like this list, wondering if you can splash green for a better finisher/mana ramp and "time of need" which is a 1G sorcery that says: "search your library for a legendary creature and put it in your hand"
Yes, I've been waiting for knowledge pool! I play the version with cures of exhaustion but this one looks sweet
You should play this on the next commander episode with teferi as your commander! Blue has a lot of artifact tutors in edh too
During sideboarding, why weren’t you pulling out your Singleton of Aetherling? There were much better options to bring in over that card...
45:00 is a prime example why you should ghost quarter yourself frequently to improve your top decks ^^
Is Knowledge Pool better than Omen Machine though? Omen Machine does not deal with their current hand, but it does prevent them from drawing some outs Knowledge Pool leaves open such as Shattering Spree, Ulamog, World Breaker, Eldrazi for Kozilek's Return, Ancient Grudge, Grape Shot or just creatures for already active Äther Vial.
I liked that the text censored “dammit” but Seth censored “god” when reading aloud.
Can't the Eldrazi deck just cast Ulamog, blowing up Teferi, then cast a random card to cast Ulamog again blowing up Knowledge Pool?
Bryan Tan I think they play new ulamog so one will do
Carter Dickson If you play Ulamog and immediately blow up Knowledge Pool, you dont get an Ulamog on the battlefield. Gotta do the two steps if you want the big daddy
If they have Ulamog, yes. Cast triggers would get around the lock (I believe Ulamog would still get exiled, but they would be able to destroy lock pieces so future spells would resolve).
So the exile on cast triggers would go on the stack, then Pool trigger would hit the stack (this is due to active player getting triggers before nonactive). Pool would exile Ulamog, and the cast triggers of Ulamog would exile the two targets. So your Pool “exiled” an Ulamog permanently at worst, and at best your opponent punts and YOU get the Ulamog if they didn’t target Pool.
Taylor Jones They exile Teferi and a land, then they cast a random spell to play Ulamog to exile K Pool and a land. 4 exiles and an Ulamog is quite exciting
I play this in Commander sometimes. I get the same responses and it is always pure gold lol
Seems to me that you could have won a few more games if you didn't hurry casting card draw instead of leaving up your answers
Your excitement makes me excited! I love the enthusiasm! XD
awesome!! I absolutely love the salty opponents/salty wins, always a good laugh👍👍
It would be great to see you play the non budget version on stream or in a video sometime
I'd really love to see a video or replay on a budgetless version of this deck to be honest
Would love to see this in Esper version with new Teferi and discard to support...
I wonder if this deck could be improved by running it similar to God Pharaoh's Gift in standard right now. loot until you discard a Knowledge Pool then reanimate it with refurbish. If you go Teferi on one turn then KP the next and still have 1 mana to trigger KP on the same turn.
Chart a Course could even be good.
I was thinking making a budget friendly bant lockdown deck using the combo with rule of law or any card that is similar to rule of law and also adding helix pinnacle to the deck as a win con and adding a few other teferis like hero of dominaria and time reveler and celestial colonnade to make it more spicy
Absolutely hilarious video, but I wish you showed the actual chat, even a screenshot would do. If the point of the deck is to make people salty, I wanna see the salt.
Maybe next time I'll figure out a way to have the actual chat pop up.
Should be doable with editing magic.
This is by far the best Against the Odds ever.
Right on time with this one... Seth isnt one to let DST get one over on him again. Mission Accomplished as GW Bush would say. Good work! :-D
Sick deck. Just a comment at 47:50 you were convinced you were dead to Island Walk granting lord, but you only had 1 island in play and 3 Ghost Quarter. You could just GQ your own island to be able to block.
Good call! The upside of playing a budget manabase :)
Prairie stream is a island plains
The ironic salt makes this the best video on the channel.
half the reason i watch these videos is because seth has so much fun xD
His laughts are so priceless Hahahaha
That first opponent seemed like a nice guy. I like him.
Should've been more aggressive with your Ghost Quarters against Tron.
Hey Seth at 49 couldn't the opponent have won with mutavault if he would just activated it
Salty eldrazi omg so good. Your amazing man. I vote for a salty deck more often.
When I saw “Salty Eldrazi” I couldn’t wait!
I built the last knowledge pool deck and went 5-0 the first fnm I brought it to. I look forward to building this version and surprising people with a new version.
Best part was going into that final round against storm and getting either the single spell lock turn three each game and forcing him to scoop.
I feel like you need to play the non budget version of this deck at some point!
"Salty Eldrazi" Hahahahahaha. That flipping hilarious.
What would be non budgeted deck list for this deck? Leylines, snap, hallowed?
The idea that the stack is not "clear" after the first spell is successfully exiled with knowledge pool does not seem correct. This combo would shut down my casts on anytime that I could not cast a sorcery. But if I am in M1 or M2 and I cast a spell, pool exiles it. There is a period after that effect. The stack is clear. I can now cast an exiled card from pool... Please correct me here.
The problem is that the Knowledge Pool puts the trigger on the stack. It's all one trigger. So when you cast the spell knowledge pool makes a trigger than basically says "I exile your spell, but you can cast one of the cards exiled by me," since this trigger is on the stack, the spell you try to cast with Knowledge Pool isn't considered a sorcery, so Teferi won't let you cast it.
That is where you are losing me, "isn't considered a sorcery" does not matter. Teferi doesn't say you can't cast spells unless they are sorcery spells. He just puts a timing restriction. The argument here would be weather or not that stack is clear. As soon as the cast spell is exiled the stack is clear (because of the period in pool.) Then a new spell is put on the stack, in place of the original. Then as we attempt to cast the spell, we have to check with Teferi, is this a time that as the casting player, I could cast a sorcery. The answer there is yes. This lock does not work as well as was once thought.
Isn't there a possibility that the programming on MTGO is off and that this deck is more of a wording exploit than an actual combo? I'm watching the video and it seems like something is off...
The stack is not clear because the Knowledge Pool's triggered ability is not finished resolving. The "period" does not mean "end of ability".
Best budget magic episode ever
At 55m55s, if you worried about the opponent countering your Condemn... why did you put manaleak at the bottom of your library?
@59:51, ghost quarter their land to try to take them off black since they already have a basic swamp out?
At 4:05, Seth claims that "everything the opponent can do to get out from under it from their hand is just locked out of the game." This isn't precisely true. One can get out from under the Teferi - Pool lock with exactly Shattering Spree, provided one has enough mana to pay Spree's Replicate cost at least once. The copy of Shattering Spree generated by Replicate isn't cast, and thus circumvents the lock. Use the copy to blow up the Knowledge Pool, and you can cast spells normally again (within the confines of Teferi's restriction).
There are a handful of fringe ways to get out from under it (like Shattering Spree or flashed back Ancient Grudge).
Seth, probably better known as "Somewhat impractical but cool :)" Olive
Would Krosan Grip work to clear the pool lock? As the split second would prevent the pool's trigger from going on the stack?