Looking forward to this one! Looking back at the base game, it's interesting to see how many parallels Enir Ilim has to Farum Azula. They're both floating cities without day or night cycles accessible only after burning the plot relevant tree. Unlike Farum Azula, which holds the key to killing gods, Enir Ilim's divine gates give birth to them. On an unrelated note - I am curious as to why the Scadutree wasn't chosen to be burnt, but rather a much smaller tree (sealing tree) players only discover after beating Romina. The way Miquella "lifts" the Scadutree veil/drapes in the gameplay trailer made me believe that they could disappear (possibly by the player burning them), but it's never elaborated on.
Good points! It's also interesting how Farum Azula is a place of death and shadow in the land of life and light, while Enir-Ilim and the Land of Shadow's relationship is the exact opposite parallel of that.
The Scadutree feels like it has little relevance to the plot of the DLC. The path to reach it is guarded by Gaius, whom feels like a regular field boss promoted to remembrance tier, and there's this giant structure gating the vessel with some scadu fragments, but you don't know what purpose does it have in the lore. I wonder if that's where Miquella was supposed to lift the veil or if they had another plan for it?
what I love is that the shaded tower looks like it is turning into water or it is underwater, which I like to believe is a nod to the whole lands of shadows being not only at the center, but literally being the lake itself.
My last playthrough i waited to do Belurat til the end. After i got teleported Enir Elim i sent myself to the start of Belurat and completed the area as one dungeon. Was pretty rad, ngl
Whilst re-exploring last night, I noticed that the Stone Coffin that you start your "Beyond The Deep Garden of Purple" video at (which you fall to the Putrescence Knight boss from) actually has a hole broken in the side and there seem to be some wall textures inside it - but it's unreachable to be able to clearly see what details there are if any (and no other Stone Coffins have any exposed interior). It'd be awesome to see that & some other places that are just _barely_ out of direct reach like that.
That's interesting, I've done some test recordings and no-clipped into them before that video but all of them were hollow, this specific one was mentioned on a comment too so i went and took a look at it again, it is indeed hollow as well but it had texture on that specific area, kinda like an illusion of an interior but other than that the coffin was just like the others, i even went and checked one by one just to be sure.
@@Kami.Sensei Ooo, you happen to know if that's just a reused texture from elsewhere on the exterior? Most of what I spend my time looking at in the game are the little architectural details, so I was checking out all the reliefs & details on the exterior of the Stone Coffins the other night, and noticed the interior of that one which made it stick in my mind since I couldn't get a proper look at it. Super appreciate the reply & all your videos!
great channel. I love zulie the witch and bonfie, theres plenty of room in the exploration space for more great content creators such as yourself, i wish you the best of luck !
The White Palace theme is perfect for Enir Elim. On a different note though, I wonder if the cloth draping over the land of shadow is a physical object or a special effect of the skybox?
It is a skybox effect, i zoomed out so far from the land of shadow towards the sea and the veil funnily enough kept following me leaving the Tree naked.
Yeah, the role of the Sealing Tree itself is particularly perplexing, but especially being in the Church of the Cud. The Scadutree Avatar being suffused by Impenetrable Thorns (and also all the amber in its arena losing its light and turning to shadow when it's defeated) makes it especially odd. I suspect that the content ended up being streamlined, but here's a tiny bit of speculation. The Scadutree had gigantic petals which you can see in the sky, and flowers & rot are both especially vulnerable to fire whilst making healing more bountiful (Erdtree Guardian Fullbloom armor). Also the Scadutree Avatar continually blooms to be reborn over & over again which is something we've seen with Malenia's Scarlet Aeonia - which we learn was once a bud that never opened before the Church of the Bud was set aflame. I'd suspect that at one point destroying the tree at the Church of the Bud was necessary as a means of making it so that the Scadutree Avatar could be killed. (Much more like burning the Erdtree in the main game requires also unsealing the Rune of Death, this is about destroying a tiny little avatar of the Sealing Tree from which it's continually reborn - thus making the thorns Impenetrable because they always regenerate). It would make that a much more literal "Shadow of the Erdtree" with its own Golden Impenetrable Thorns. Shadow Keep is likely split into two sections to make re-exploration of the back area that's full of water & Ulcerated Tree Spirits keep with that theme, but also why Miquella's Rune shattering is triggered in proximity to Shadow Keep still, and why it's discovered by defeating the Scadutree Avatar. It just seems like everything was streamlined to more naturally leave you off at directly facing the Tower itself when it's unlocked & you get teleported into it, but also bosses like Gaius are optional despite having very clear thematic links to Radahn and that whole side of the story.
@@ShardofWant Haha, thanks! I've been doing personal studies focused on Japanese adaptations of Western Fantasy for a number of years now, and also have a software development background so this kind of thing is something I do a lot of in my personal time, but especially with *_Elden Ring_* because of how much development-stage stuff was in the 1.0 version to see how they make & change stuff in dev.
I noticed that there's a inaccessible part of the map north-east of the cliffroad terminus site of grace. I expect it to be a similar case as the inaccessible parts of rauh ruins but still might be worth checking it out!
this is something i really need from soft to stop doing! stop putting impossible locks on thing that everyone else but the MC can get through. Enir-ilim is chalk full of people and things mostly hornsent so like....good job Messmer. And somehow Miquella got sombody(?) to get Mohgs corpse there? which, i didn't know he'd even leave a corpse given most other fights. (you mean to tell me by the time i get back to Rykards boss room Tannith only had that much left to eat? damn) Hell the fucking dung eater of all people seems to have had no trouble getting into the Haligtree and messing someone up!
Well yes because all the hornsent Inquisitors in Enir-Ilim were sealed INSIDE the Tower by the impenetrable thorns in the same way Messemer & everything in the Shadow Lands were sealed in and cut off from the Lands Between by Marika. Things weren't just coming & going freely. Miquella as the most powerful Empyrean had to divest himself of his physical body, all of his golden lineage, AND shatter his own Great Rune to explicitly cloak himself in shadow to be able to reach Enir-Ilim by other means before the player - but nothing else gets in OR out until you burn the sealing tree. Additionally, the bodies of enemies disappearing is essentially just a gameplay mechanic, but especially with enemies over a certain size so that they don't create issues in gameplay. Godrick's destroyed corpse, Morgott's emaciated body, & Rykard's corpse are evidence of that - as they have events that explicitly require some part of them to be present in some form for another NPC to directly interact with after the battle, so they're added as static assets rather than ragdolls. After all, dragons always disappear after boss fights, but their corpses are all over Caelid & the Jagged Peak.
We don't know how Miquella made it into the tower, but based on the locations of some of his crosses, he might have either persuaded or charmed Messmer into partially opening the way so Miquella could follow Marika's orders (per the "echo" of Marika at the Outer Wall Battleground Grace) to become a god.
So, who placed the black thorns on upper belurat? In the cinematic trailer we see that while messmer is attacking belurat the black thorns are already there
I think the thorns were put in place as a last ditch effort to protect their most sacred place from messmer’s attack. The thorns could only be removed by burning the sealing tree in Rauh, but Rauh was never touched by messmer’s army
@@friendoftheoyster3906 wym? There's a whole furnace golem still at work when we get there 😂 if anything it & belerat are the only places the hornsent managed to hold out at vs messmer, w the ones in the tower just being trapped by marika whenever she sealed it- id guess almost immediately after she used the gate
@@Cactar8 Th unsealed Enir-Ilim is a 2nd map that's still stored in the game at that point, you can actually access it and even beat Radahn if you grace warp there before unlocking the area but it does confuse the game in funny ways when i was testing that.
Looking forward to this one! Looking back at the base game, it's interesting to see how many parallels Enir Ilim has to Farum Azula. They're both floating cities without day or night cycles accessible only after burning the plot relevant tree. Unlike Farum Azula, which holds the key to killing gods, Enir Ilim's divine gates give birth to them.
On an unrelated note - I am curious as to why the Scadutree wasn't chosen to be burnt, but rather a much smaller tree (sealing tree) players only discover after beating Romina. The way Miquella "lifts" the Scadutree veil/drapes in the gameplay trailer made me believe that they could disappear (possibly by the player burning them), but it's never elaborated on.
Good points! It's also interesting how Farum Azula is a place of death and shadow in the land of life and light, while Enir-Ilim and the Land of Shadow's relationship is the exact opposite parallel of that.
The Scadutree feels like it has little relevance to the plot of the DLC. The path to reach it is guarded by Gaius, whom feels like a regular field boss promoted to remembrance tier, and there's this giant structure gating the vessel with some scadu fragments, but you don't know what purpose does it have in the lore. I wonder if that's where Miquella was supposed to lift the veil or if they had another plan for it?
you don’t have it rendered, O you don’t have it rendered, all the more you don’t have it rendered, O you don’t have it rendered.
what I love is that the shaded tower looks like it is turning into water or it is underwater, which I like to believe is a nod to the whole lands of shadows being not only at the center, but literally being the lake itself.
It's not a lake, it's an ocean. It's not a loop, it's a spiral
@@JediEdi the lands between are an ascending spiral, also nice alan wake reference
Was always strange to me that it teleported you to this location. Skipping all of Belurat if you hadn’t done it
Yes, I remember warping back to the divine beast arena after my 2nd grace at Enir-Ilim the first time just to make sure i didn't miss anything
@@Kami.Sensei I missed so much in Belurat it was wild. Talk about a dense location
My last playthrough i waited to do Belurat til the end. After i got teleported Enir Elim i sent myself to the start of Belurat and completed the area as one dungeon. Was pretty rad, ngl
@@ALaz502 I should try that next time
@@GrieveIV Man, the fact that Belurat is optional actually blows my mind.
Let me just say that the music selection is quite genius ✨
It's white palace isn't it?
Yes it is fitting for Enir llim
@@reverbedash9282 Yep that’s correct
I'm actually a little surprised this is separately molded and not just the normal area with a shadow filter.
Hollow knight music hits so hard
Whilst re-exploring last night, I noticed that the Stone Coffin that you start your "Beyond The Deep Garden of Purple" video at (which you fall to the Putrescence Knight boss from) actually has a hole broken in the side and there seem to be some wall textures inside it - but it's unreachable to be able to clearly see what details there are if any (and no other Stone Coffins have any exposed interior). It'd be awesome to see that & some other places that are just _barely_ out of direct reach like that.
That's interesting, I've done some test recordings and no-clipped into them before that video but all of them were hollow, this specific one was mentioned on a comment too so i went and took a look at it again, it is indeed hollow as well but it had texture on that specific area, kinda like an illusion of an interior but other than that the coffin was just like the others, i even went and checked one by one just to be sure.
@@Kami.Sensei Ooo, you happen to know if that's just a reused texture from elsewhere on the exterior? Most of what I spend my time looking at in the game are the little architectural details, so I was checking out all the reliefs & details on the exterior of the Stone Coffins the other night, and noticed the interior of that one which made it stick in my mind since I couldn't get a proper look at it.
Super appreciate the reply & all your videos!
there's those random islands in the ocean above jagged peak. maybe check out those.
WHITE PALACE BEING USED FOR AN ELDENRING VID 📣📣📣 🔥🔥🔥
great channel. I love zulie the witch and bonfie, theres plenty of room in the exploration space for more great content creators such as yourself, i wish you the best of luck !
My brother in christ your taste in music is supreme... chose the best song of hollow knight
The White Palace theme is perfect for Enir Elim. On a different note though, I wonder if the cloth draping over the land of shadow is a physical object or a special effect of the skybox?
It is a skybox effect, i zoomed out so far from the land of shadow towards the sea and the veil funnily enough kept following me leaving the Tree naked.
> White Palace OST
unfathomably based
Perfect ost
I wonder if the thorns are part of the sealing tree physically. Like the tree in the ruins is just the base and the rest grow form there or what.
Yeah, the role of the Sealing Tree itself is particularly perplexing, but especially being in the Church of the Cud. The Scadutree Avatar being suffused by Impenetrable Thorns (and also all the amber in its arena losing its light and turning to shadow when it's defeated) makes it especially odd.
I suspect that the content ended up being streamlined, but here's a tiny bit of speculation. The Scadutree had gigantic petals which you can see in the sky, and flowers & rot are both especially vulnerable to fire whilst making healing more bountiful (Erdtree Guardian Fullbloom armor). Also the Scadutree Avatar continually blooms to be reborn over & over again which is something we've seen with Malenia's Scarlet Aeonia - which we learn was once a bud that never opened before the Church of the Bud was set aflame.
I'd suspect that at one point destroying the tree at the Church of the Bud was necessary as a means of making it so that the Scadutree Avatar could be killed. (Much more like burning the Erdtree in the main game requires also unsealing the Rune of Death, this is about destroying a tiny little avatar of the Sealing Tree from which it's continually reborn - thus making the thorns Impenetrable because they always regenerate).
It would make that a much more literal "Shadow of the Erdtree" with its own Golden Impenetrable Thorns.
Shadow Keep is likely split into two sections to make re-exploration of the back area that's full of water & Ulcerated Tree Spirits keep with that theme, but also why Miquella's Rune shattering is triggered in proximity to Shadow Keep still, and why it's discovered by defeating the Scadutree Avatar.
It just seems like everything was streamlined to more naturally leave you off at directly facing the Tower itself when it's unlocked & you get teleported into it, but also bosses like Gaius are optional despite having very clear thematic links to Radahn and that whole side of the story.
@@PierceArner someone with that much theorizing got me wanting to read a book on lore if you wrote it lol
@@ShardofWant Haha, thanks! I've been doing personal studies focused on Japanese adaptations of Western Fantasy for a number of years now, and also have a software development background so this kind of thing is something I do a lot of in my personal time, but especially with *_Elden Ring_* because of how much development-stage stuff was in the 1.0 version to see how they make & change stuff in dev.
Hey, could you please look for inaccessible parts of Enir-Ilim? Especially the buildings above the gate of divinity?
How about the hole at the side of grace in shaman village?
i got the feeling that bayle area isnt the actual top of jagged peak. might be worth exploring.
I noticed that there's a inaccessible part of the map north-east of the cliffroad terminus site of grace. I expect it to be a similar case as the inaccessible parts of rauh ruins but still might be worth checking it out!
I have PTSD with White palace OST
I didnt even know you could get there 😂 im still looking for the bridge that takes you there.
this is something i really need from soft to stop doing! stop putting impossible locks on thing that everyone else but the MC can get through. Enir-ilim is chalk full of people and things mostly hornsent so like....good job Messmer. And somehow Miquella got sombody(?) to get Mohgs corpse there? which, i didn't know he'd even leave a corpse given most other fights. (you mean to tell me by the time i get back to Rykards boss room Tannith only had that much left to eat? damn) Hell the fucking dung eater of all people seems to have had no trouble getting into the Haligtree and messing someone up!
Well yes because all the hornsent Inquisitors in Enir-Ilim were sealed INSIDE the Tower by the impenetrable thorns in the same way Messemer & everything in the Shadow Lands were sealed in and cut off from the Lands Between by Marika. Things weren't just coming & going freely. Miquella as the most powerful Empyrean had to divest himself of his physical body, all of his golden lineage, AND shatter his own Great Rune to explicitly cloak himself in shadow to be able to reach Enir-Ilim by other means before the player - but nothing else gets in OR out until you burn the sealing tree.
Additionally, the bodies of enemies disappearing is essentially just a gameplay mechanic, but especially with enemies over a certain size so that they don't create issues in gameplay. Godrick's destroyed corpse, Morgott's emaciated body, & Rykard's corpse are evidence of that - as they have events that explicitly require some part of them to be present in some form for another NPC to directly interact with after the battle, so they're added as static assets rather than ragdolls. After all, dragons always disappear after boss fights, but their corpses are all over Caelid & the Jagged Peak.
We don't know how Miquella made it into the tower, but based on the locations of some of his crosses, he might have either persuaded or charmed Messmer into partially opening the way so Miquella could follow Marika's orders (per the "echo" of Marika at the Outer Wall Battleground Grace) to become a god.
So, who placed the black thorns on upper belurat? In the cinematic trailer we see that while messmer is attacking belurat the black thorns are already there
Maybe Messmer sealed Enir-Ilim during the attack.
I think the thorns were put in place as a last ditch effort to protect their most sacred place from messmer’s attack. The thorns could only be removed by burning the sealing tree in Rauh, but Rauh was never touched by messmer’s army
@@friendoftheoyster3906 wym? There's a whole furnace golem still at work when we get there 😂 if anything it & belerat are the only places the hornsent managed to hold out at vs messmer, w the ones in the tower just being trapped by marika whenever she sealed it- id guess almost immediately after she used the gate
What if you try to force warp to a site of grace there before unlocking the area?
@@Cactar8 Th unsealed Enir-Ilim is a 2nd map that's still stored in the game at that point, you can actually access it and even beat Radahn if you grace warp there before unlocking the area but it does confuse the game in funny ways when i was testing that.
Sealdd1...
How dare you not play the original musi-
oh. oooooh!
Can i ask, what helm is that?
Crown of the dark sun from dark souls, I have it modded into Elden Ring
@@Kami.Sensei that’s why I can’t find it!!!
@@Kami.SenseiIs it on Nexus?
Usually don’t watch cheating videos this one’s interesting…turned out it still sucked…I’m done lol😂
going late