Once upon a time, the archangels also weren't confronting each other so easily because they didn't have their true vessels + weren't confronting Chuck. Comparing the two makes little sense. The only thing concerning here is how easily Lucifer kills Death.
Me and my wife wondered this. Season 5 of Michael and Lucifer fought it was supposed to end the world. Then they fight in later seasons and nothing happened. So many plot holes and things that didn’t make sense in later episodes.
Nah it made sense. The battle at season 5 was supposed to be the scripted endgame, Lucy and Mike were meant to be at full power with their respective vessels so it made sense for the world to end up destroyed. In every other fight they have after season 5, there were external factors that prevented them from going all out. Here, they're on weaker vessels and Jack's absorbing all the energy they're unleashing.
@angelrabell228 that's a solid point to be fair. I'm not 100% sold on it, as I think they should still be powerful enough to cause a much bigger ruckus. But it is a good point. Plus, I guess you no longer have Chuck invested in the story enough to make it the balls to the walls climax he originally intended. Happy 25th!!
@@Bardim18 I believe it didn't meant as just the duel between Michael and Lucifer also angels and demons fighting an all out war that would scorch the earth
I wish we could have found out if Adam ended up back in Heaven. He never deserved the fate he got. It still ticks me off that they didn't even mention Adam in the series finale.
@@Lizfan2 You really think Jack would spring Bobby from Heaven's prison and not let Adam go to heaven come on! Jack is a good one and he has Cas to guide him. It makes perfect sense that Adam is in Heaven finally with his mother.
So Lucifer ends Death (a new one will appear of course), Micheal ends Lucifer (back the depths buddy with your daddy issues), Chuck (God) ends Micheal, and then Jack absorbs all the energy in the fights, and replaces God leaving Chuck as merely mortal Chuck to die of old age. Who knew heaven and hell were even more screwed up that Earth.
Wait, isnt the first angel or the first reaper after death is killed becomes the new death, i thought that was the lore they made. If its a reaper, arent they technically angels, so wouldnt that make Lucifer now the new Death, that would of been a good change. Also side note, if they do redo the show, I would like it to start off with Chuck (as God) who we think is powerless, is pretending, as this was another one of his stories, playing the villian and loosing, and then starts off with a huge redo. Have chuck, michael, lucifer, gabriel, rafael, death (OG death) back there, starting fresh. With God clicking his fingers and bang, back to how it originally was. Sam, Dean, Mum, Dad hunting the monster of the week, like in the old days.
season 5- If Michael and Lucifer fight, it will destroy the world season 15- Michael and Lucifer fight, the room they are fighting in would take 10 minutes to clean up
This always seemed rushed or thrown together. How can Lucifer kill death with a snap. Also, if only death can read it, and you would want to change it you would hear how to prevent the thing you're avoiding. Also, Michael wouldn't suddenly go back and warn Chuck after he pick Lucifer again. I hated the idea of God bad anyways. But they wanted to have the ultimate power for the plot to seem hard.
I think the execution was rushed but when you think of the fact that the show has always been about free will vs destiny/fate it makes thematic sense for the ultimate bad guy to be the guy who wrote those original horrible endings for them. Dean as Michael and Sam as Lucifer killing each other I mean. They broke free from that story and now gotta kill the story teller
From what I understand the rush job was due to Covid, though according to Eric Kripke the true ending he had planned would’ve been MUCH more bleak and way less ‘happy ending’ for everyone. Who knows, here’s to hoping they get together again for a directors cut style alternate ending.
Yeah, AND Also i think nobody talks about prime Michael, i mean he had His mistakes but wasnt evil like lucifer, he did everything for god, AND he had His chance to reedem himself to make UP For His mistakes, he Made UP His mind, stand UP against god, AND then the writers just get him back to being am attention seeker, c Mon, he deserved better, Also Gabriel,
I mean, i don't believe in God. But if the bible and the stories are real, the God would be a bad guy. So it makes sense that he would be the final villain.
@@Raffalius Yeah, what doesn't make sense is an omnipotent and omniscient being losing unless that was its intention. I felt like the ending was inevitably going to stupid and it didn't disappoint.
Here's an ice cold take. If the show had stopped at the end of season 2, it would be a legendary cult classic. If they rewrote the ending of season 5 and stopped there, it would have felt like a coherent story. 15 seasons..... I guess I'm glad all the people involved had steady work but the only notable thing about the show is "when did you stop watching Supernatural" is a pretty good ice breaker.
I think the first five seasons were good to great with some obvious missteps, most notably the creation (and inclusion in the finale) of Sam and Dean's half brother, Adam. The final vessel for Michael should have been the resurrected young John Winchester, played brilliantly by Matt Cohen in the time travel episode. Later seasons were hit and miss but still mostly good for a few years, but the show really jumped the shark hard and eventually devolved into utter trash.
4 seasons, maybe 5. The ones with classic rock openings and tons of B-roll of Baby on “Midwestern” highways. By the time we got to bigger boss beaten by bigger bigger boss and they’re all god-tier… well, that’s like watching Trivial Pursuit between comparative religion majors.
I think Season 5's ending made sense Lucifer and Michael got trapped forever, Dean retired with a family, Castiel was brought back by God(Chuck) and Sam(and presumely Adam) was also out of the cage in the end indicating that God must have done the same he did with Castiel, overall a satisfying ending I do agree a ressurrected John Winchester makes a better final vessel for Michael than Adam though and that way John would be back as well
Loved Lucifer in this scene, just absolute classic Lucifer. He never gets old and I love it! Was sad to see him go but wow I enjoyed seeing him on screen!
I didnt underatand the idea of making God a bad guy. It didnt fit. He was an absentee landlord...he created heaven and earth and then just let them do what they wanted. I feel like they just didnt have a new big bad to contend with. I think they should have instead have had the final boss be some interdimensional god that was on the same power level as god himself. That would have made more sense than what they came up with
Would be better if they did an alternate universe God who destroyed all his creations for some reason. Maybe let the Apocalypse happen and then got bored. So he comes over Winchester’s universe, manages to bind OG God somehow or imprisons him like what happened to the Darkness. Ends up making a mess of things. Final season is Sam, Dean, and crew trying to outsmart and outplay AU God and free Chuck.
@@TerrenceMcGinnisagreed, would have fit better, and you could've let Chuck sacrifice himself to cancel out evil chuck and jack taking over. Could have had him regret being the big bad in ancient times or all the mistakes he made to create such a mucked up story
I didn't like it either. I loved old Chuck. As far as the reason in series, Jack mentions in his last seen that Chucks mistake was making himself part of the story. I took that to mean that he let himself become too human with various issues and flawed decision making.
I don't understand why the Shedim couldn't have been the final boss - they scared Lucifer and god didn't even let them out when all doors of hell were opened.
Making Chuck "God" was just another massive Eff up in a long line of eff ups the writers did. I honestly don't know how this show made it past season 1 let alone 15 years of it.
Yeah but they retconned OGdeath to just being an officeholder rather than a cosmic being on par with even an archangel, let alone God or Amara. Remember in season 5 Lucifer could enslave OG death? Hell, even same and dean were able to do it as humans. And each universe has it's own death as alt universe Michael claims he imprisoned his worlds death too. I wish they had kept the idea of death being on par with God, but it's just not canon.
I dropped the show at some point before this season, and it was already a massive drop in quality at THAT point my god the way the stakes and creatures dropped Death (the current death) who is supposed to be on par with god and cosmic beings - killed so casually by lucifer without even his blade. This is at least the 2nd time Michael and lucifer have fought, each time a spit in the face of season 5 when it said their fight would destroy half the world
For those who are wondering how licy killed death, she is not the OG death, more of a assistant with benefits i think, death is having a vacation in Hawaii, but wait.. you cant kill death but maybe there is a super death to reap death💀.
@@BRB-ck3jrthey had great arcs for caracters, like Gabriel , they originally write him as a coward with family issues, then he had His redention arc AND had AND honorable dead, then he was back un the asmofeous Arc, that wasnt that bad, althought at first tough he was going to be bad AND that would ve been cool twist but no, they nerfed him for asmodeous, that ay the end wasnt even that powerfull since he only beated a depowered lucifer, then trickster s sons Arc that was quick AND didnt give anything to the carácter, the he died easily with Michael, if would have been cool if all the archangels team UP against god since we never get to see all them together, or how would have Michael AND Raphael reacted to see Gabriel again
People need to stop this whole "this thing ruined the thing I loved!" It's makes zero sense. The stuff you still love is literally still there, nothing was ruined or destroyed
No it seems like the argent never learn. I mean how many powerful beings are dead because they just didn't one shot the Winchesters form a distance, no they had to be upclose and personal with the boys just to end up dead. It may take the boys sometime to do it but they do get the job done🙏🙏
The powercreep here is a bit wild. OG death asserted that he will, at some point, reap god. Lucifer had to use a ritual to control him, and dean only managed to kill him via a loophole using Deaths own scythe against him. Now luci is just snapping his fingers to kill death?
@@Bleg94 Death was never God's equal. He only said "As old as God, maybe older... It's been so long, none of us remember anymore. Regardless, in the end, I'll reap him, too!" He never says he would kill God. The reason he "thinks" he would reap him in the end is probably due to Death's Library having a book for God. Maybe Amara kills him, maybe he becomes human and dies of old age like he did at the end of the show, any incarnation of Death would reap him in that case, which is true. Otherwise that statement never implies Death being a God level being. Remember even Billie, when she was a reaper, said she would reap God in an hour or so when Amara injured Chuck. In fact, the fact Death not remembering who is older and alternate universes having different versions of Death imply that he is clearly a lesser being compared to God, Amara and The Empty. I would think of him as around Micheal/Lucifer level, maybe slightly higher, maybe slightly lower. Lucifer finger snapping Death could be due to him being empowered by Jack's grace before the first time he dies.
People love to glaze Death when clearly he was never on God's level. Reaping doesn't mean he can kill God anytime he wants. Learn the difference and use your brain while you're watching.
Honestly rather easy to fix this that it feels bad Have Chuck be the one to kill the new Death after Death tries to stop him from ending the natural order, with him aknowledging that had it been the Old Death he could've been in trouble, then Michael and Lucifer face him together after finally forgiving each other and either have them lose to get the same ending with Jack or have them win by teaming up like the Darkness was beaten with Dean & Sam as vessels as the final "free will" twist as the angels stand up to their father and the boys overcome fate Perhaps with the last blow being done with Death's scythe so what Death told Dean all the way back about reaping God coming to fruition
Much as i disliked the final season, I do enjoy that Lucifer betrayed them all when God took him back. Being God’s favorite was Lucifer’s entire motivation in mythology after all. But the rest….
I hate that the series went in the direction making God out to be the ultimate villain. Really. Then they were delayed in even making the last few episodes because COVID happened.
The showdown of lucifer vs michael was supposed to scorch half the planet. In the other world, the war was still going on and tore almost the entire planet apart. And in this fight here, michael throws some energy that does 0 damage to a brick wall. Lucifer throws some energy that throws michael back. And then Michael stabs Lucifer to death. So anyone can be a writer i guess.
Is it weird I'm disappointed Lucifer didn't end up siding with the Winchesters? AKA Team Free Will. Cause like...he was kinda the OG to question the blind faith of listening to God and following his word etc etc. But I guess they needed an easy/believable villain...
For a show that ran for 15 season they really rushed the ending with sooo many unresolved storylines and characters. Could have taken atleast 5 or 10 minutes of the finale to show all the characters close to the Winchesters tha died without resolution. For example we last saw Jo as a ghost, no single mention of her afterwards of she was finally happy in the afterlife. Or Charlie. Or Becky and her family who were snapped by Chuck. So many unresolved characters
Misha said the last episode was supposed to take place in Deans “heaven”, which was a roadside bar and all the characters in they loved and who had died, were supposed to be in the final scene. Because of Covid and the strict Canadian requirements of only ten people on set at a time, they couldn’t do it. Hence the ending with Dean and Sam on the bridge.
i really dont get how lucifer can just snap his finger and kill death cause the first death called him a child throwing a tantrum, if thats all death sees him as how did that child just thanos snap death
Physically showing god was the biggest mistake the writers ever did, in a setting like supernatural he has no place other than in stories and legends and besides that god should have won this without even a chance of him not winning because he is damn god. Imo the best approach to an ultimate villain after season 5 would have been a very slow return of amara acting weakened out of her prison using things like the leviathans not as gods but as amaras creations as soon as they were free to give amara the means to act on anything at all with her creations being free, their unlimited need to feed and consume gods creations was always a nice parallel to amara destroying gods creations on a greater scale. This would have given the leviathans some sort of deepness and actual goal that isn't only fueled by an empty stomach, eve could have easly been presented as the leviathans leader and amaras answer to gods archangels, the empty could still be that third party entity but with the goal to end amaras plans to make sure it's domain can't be filled with more castiels that keep it awake giving it reason to work with sam and dean and with it ACTUALLY having a realistic chance to beat amara before she fully frees herself from her cage with the final battle being between the winchesters and crew vs eve which is a 100 times more doable than coming up with that trainwreck of a final season to kill the man who made everything and being free and at full power. Michael? make him have a talk with lucifer after being caged with him, about the mark, about how god manipulated both of them, about everything. make him hate god and try to do the right thing by searching for god and contronting him to fix all the bad he has caused as a creator, this could give michael the heroes death and redeem him as that beacon of light, rightous leader of heaven, protector of humanity and so on before god smites him that would make for a tragic death that people can mourn, a similar thing could have been done with lucifer through jack so lucifer can learn to live among and accept humans as victims of gods plan just as he himself is a victim of exactly that. Rowena and Crowley? Scrap it, crowley was fun and brought the dark humor supernatural needed besides it's serious moments, they should have left it at that and let him go as the funny ahole we all loved before he became that pathetic something he turned into before he did his out of character sacrifice. Cain and the mark? Overall good idea, nothing much to change about it other than that stupid moment dean trolled death and killed him which is still dumb and shouldn't even be possible just because dean swung the scythe in a way that looked like he was gonna get sam, cosmic being my butt. This is all a personal opinion.
Season 5: "If Michael and lucifer fight then half the planet will be burned!!!" Season 15: boop, bop, shank, ARGH. Done. Also turning God into the big bad ruined this show for me.
It was inevitable. Even in our world, God is an asshole at times. In a world were true evil is allowed to roam? Of course he was going to get bored of creation eventually cos he let shit happen for entertainment.
@Yattien89 be careful what you think you know about God and who he is. I suggest studying your Bible, God has endless love. He is NOTHING like Chuck. Chuck, is essentially if God thought and acted the same way we humans do. He is an imperfect "God" Real God is entirely different.
@@a1uplift212 I mean, there is no real god anyway but I know of the stories of what he did as "punishments". If a god existed, he was and is an asshole.
@Yattien89 only a fool says "there is no real God" Psalms 14:1 Please, when you have Genesis 18. If God is such an "asshole" then that story would've looked wildly different. I hope you read the book of Proverbs and come to the realization that you have no spiritual wisdom, and that you pray with an open mind and get to see that you're taking things and seeing them through only your understanding.
Okay I've never watched this series, but I'm guessing the Winchester's are the two younger guys and the god guy is against them.. so why doesn't he just do to them what he did to Michael?
Plot armor. He will flick the insignificant human bugs around and taunt them and torture them and monolog because they're the main characters, and then some plan will come through or some unexpected somebody will show up with somehow a God killing knife and stab him in the back. Great show despite that for 5 seasons, then progressively worse and more stupid with each successive season and this was like, 14.
@@Michael-y4f8f This is only a problem with Evil Chuck. Before that, it wasn't plot armor but simply the nature of mythological creatures. Folklore is filled with these creatures being duped by humans. They don't have the sense enough to be "utterly ruthless". Even in the case of irl demonic possession, whether you believe it or not, exorcists never report demons as "smart". Cunning and tricky and always trying to get you to abandon the Truth, sure, but not smart, and certainly not wise.
deus tava só o desespero nestes últimos episódios kkkk Não Conseguiu sobrepor, anular o poder da Morte que protege e mantém o livro trancado. Precisou mandar lúcifer capturar um ceifeiro e amarrar pra usar quando nova encarnação da Morte, pra só depois abrir o livro e ver o que estava escrito no livro... E nem isso conseguiu kkk A Morte é a entidade máxima depois dos livros da Morte é claro.
@@TheRoboy95 Think of it this way: For every mortal that dies the embodiment of death grows stronger. Due to her lack of time as Death and Chuck erasing mortals and not killing them she would not have been able to grow that much stronger than a regular soul reaper.
So let me see this Chuck is fake God or just random person like Zeus, but even so he ended Michael so easily so why couldn’t he done same to this two brothers even if they are humans with no power.
I admit once God became the villain i lost interest. After all if the bad guy is god and the show has made clear aside from his sister and death no one is even on the same level how could the boys possibly win aside from bullshit plot armor. With that being said how did lucifer kill death? When death was introduced they made it clear that he would reap god in the end, and the only reason he was tied to lucifer's prison was because of god. Sure the boys briefly shackled him, but again they were using direct divine interference and castiel who was channeling god level power what with all the purgatory souls immediately broke it. Also why is death a chick now anyway?
Death was never God's equal. He only said "As old as God, maybe older... It's been so long, none of us remember anymore. Regardless, in the end, I'll reap him, too!" He never says he would kill God. He even says "What makes you think I can do that?" when Dean & Bobby ask him to kill God (they were referring to Castiel empowered by the sould from Purgatory). The reason he "thinks" he would reap him in the end is probably due to Death's Library having a book for God, which writes itself. Maybe Amara kills him, maybe he becomes human and dies of old age like he did at the end of the show, any incarnation of Death would reap him in that case, which is true. Otherwise that statement never implies Death being a God level being. Remember even Billie, when she was a reaper, said she would reap God in an hour or so when Amara injured Chuck. In fact, the fact that Death not remembering who is older and alternate universes having different versions of Death imply that he is clearly a lesser being compared to God, Amara and The Empty. I would think of his power level around Micheal/Lucifer level, maybe slightly higher, maybe slightly lower. Lucifer finger snapping Death could be due to him being empowered by Jack's grace before the first time he dies.
Only if you have theological objections to it. But the Abrahamist deity truly is a great literary villain. Egotistical. Flawed. Evil. Adapting that just made sense for the end of the series.
@@sypherthe297th2 dont know the whole tone of the series was a different one they shouldnt have pulled such a cliché comic multiversum bullshit ... just because it is a twist doesn't mean it is a good one
Interesting take. It makes even more sense of when you consider the writers and showrunner. They are very much blue haired politically driven people. They had the supernatural team take a political stance and support Kamala. Changed my view of Jensen. Luckily Jarrod wasn't there. Caught me off guard. I never thought to mix politics with supernatural before I didn't see it at the time, but I guess you're right
@@crewxp God being fucked in the head when this is the reality he created is a pretty easy observation to make. If saying that the guy who makes it possible for babies to die and or be crippled/diseased before they're even born is "blue hair politics" then everyone better get their dye kits out I guess because what the fuck is the alternative take to that that isn't morally evil?
Alternate universe Michael and Leviathans and purgatory... Heaven being a bunch of useless pencil pushers... this show got so bad. The early seasons were like a movie. The latter seasons were just an insult.
the dialogue was so bad.... supernatural lost it's touch a loooooong time ago.. i think seasons 1-5 were just the all-time best... sure their was good episodes in the other seasons but a single episode can't carry a whole season unfortunatly
Oof, once upon a time it took several seasons to even get close to threatening an Archangel and there goes 2 in about 5 minutes.
Once upon a time, the archangels also weren't confronting each other so easily because they didn't have their true vessels + weren't confronting Chuck. Comparing the two makes little sense.
The only thing concerning here is how easily Lucifer kills Death.
What do you expect when they literally are facing God (Chuck)
Once upon a time, this show had actually decent writing..sooooo
Kind of like replaying a game or character leveling
Several seasons didn't have Gods intervention
You know if these all powerful entities would stop force pushing the winchesters and just kill them they would probably stop losing so much.
Lol
Probably God doesn't want them to die so easily :)
Season 5: a battle that will destroy the world
Season 15: *poke*
The power scaling for angels made no sense on thia show
Me and my wife wondered this. Season 5 of Michael and Lucifer fought it was supposed to end the world. Then they fight in later seasons and nothing happened. So many plot holes and things that didn’t make sense in later episodes.
@@VengeanceAngel A lot of new woke writers were hired for the last few seasons.
Nah it made sense. The battle at season 5 was supposed to be the scripted endgame, Lucy and Mike were meant to be at full power with their respective vessels so it made sense for the world to end up destroyed. In every other fight they have after season 5, there were external factors that prevented them from going all out. Here, they're on weaker vessels and Jack's absorbing all the energy they're unleashing.
@angelrabell228 that's a solid point to be fair. I'm not 100% sold on it, as I think they should still be powerful enough to cause a much bigger ruckus. But it is a good point. Plus, I guess you no longer have Chuck invested in the story enough to make it the balls to the walls climax he originally intended. Happy 25th!!
Wait wasn't that the apocalypse we spent 5 seasons trying to avoid because it would destroy the earth?
@@norrinzelkarr8572 Yep, go figure. Nothing makes sense after season 5.
@@Bardim18 I believe it didn't meant as just the duel between Michael and Lucifer also angels and demons fighting an all out war that would scorch the earth
@@cryfromheaven8005 True, but the war would start with the duel between Michael and Lucifer. The duel happened here, yet there was no war afterwards.
@@Bardim18 By that point there's like a couple angels left who can barely hold heaven together and well demons idk
@@cryfromheaven8005 it was specifically lucifer vs Michael which they said would burn half the planet
I wish we could have found out if Adam ended up back in Heaven. He never deserved the fate he got. It still ticks me off that they didn't even mention Adam in the series finale.
He did since Jack fixed Heaven and everything
@@anthonysaiz8636It was never confirmed on the show though
@@Lizfan2 it was confirmed Jack fixed Heaven with Cas, so I assume he sent Adam to Heaven
@@anthonysaiz8636 Just because Jack fixed Heaven doesn’t necessarily mean that he put Adam back up there though.
@@Lizfan2 You really think Jack would spring Bobby from Heaven's prison and not let Adam go to heaven come on! Jack is a good one and he has Cas to guide him. It makes perfect sense that Adam is in Heaven finally with his mother.
OK, so angels can Hadoken each other now 😂😂😂
Yup 😂😂😂
Na thats a goku ki blast
That was some OG Charmed energy ball stuff.
Only problem is it doesn't work on Frieza he'll just get out of it and throw it on Goku lol
Only problem is it doesn't work on Frieza he'll just get out of it and throw it on Goku lol
I feel sad for Michael all he wanted was his fathers love and no matter what he did he could never have and died knowing that rather sad.
So Lucifer ends Death (a new one will appear of course), Micheal ends Lucifer (back the depths buddy with your daddy issues), Chuck (God) ends Micheal, and then Jack absorbs all the energy in the fights, and replaces God leaving Chuck as merely mortal Chuck to die of old age. Who knew heaven and hell were even more screwed up that Earth.
Hate to break it to you. Earth is still more fucked. Thats rookie behavior from the players here.
@@Usernamesdontmatter1everyone is rookie? Lmao sounds a lot like earth.
And he doesn’t die he’s at the end of the finale narrating like he did before and says “nothing ever truly ends does it”
Wait, isnt the first angel or the first reaper after death is killed becomes the new death, i thought that was the lore they made. If its a reaper, arent they technically angels, so wouldnt that make Lucifer now the new Death, that would of been a good change.
Also side note, if they do redo the show, I would like it to start off with Chuck (as God) who we think is powerless, is pretending, as this was another one of his stories, playing the villian and loosing, and then starts off with a huge redo. Have chuck, michael, lucifer, gabriel, rafael, death (OG death) back there, starting fresh. With God clicking his fingers and bang, back to how it originally was. Sam, Dean, Mum, Dad hunting the monster of the week, like in the old days.
Sam and Dean get yeeted so often than you'd think they'd learn how to ukemi by now.
season 5- If Michael and Lucifer fight, it will destroy the world
season 15- Michael and Lucifer fight, the room they are fighting in would take 10 minutes to clean up
Would've loved if Chuck looked around and remembered creating that spot, and not liking it even then.
This always seemed rushed or thrown together. How can Lucifer kill death with a snap. Also, if only death can read it, and you would want to change it you would hear how to prevent the thing you're avoiding. Also, Michael wouldn't suddenly go back and warn Chuck after he pick Lucifer again. I hated the idea of God bad anyways. But they wanted to have the ultimate power for the plot to seem hard.
I think the execution was rushed but when you think of the fact that the show has always been about free will vs destiny/fate it makes thematic sense for the ultimate bad guy to be the guy who wrote those original horrible endings for them. Dean as Michael and Sam as Lucifer killing each other I mean. They broke free from that story and now gotta kill the story teller
From what I understand the rush job was due to Covid, though according to Eric Kripke the true ending he had planned would’ve been MUCH more bleak and way less ‘happy ending’ for everyone. Who knows, here’s to hoping they get together again for a directors cut style alternate ending.
Yeah, AND Also i think nobody talks about prime Michael, i mean he had His mistakes but wasnt evil like lucifer, he did everything for god, AND he had His chance to reedem himself to make UP For His mistakes, he Made UP His mind, stand UP against god, AND then the writers just get him back to being am attention seeker, c Mon, he deserved better, Also Gabriel,
I mean, i don't believe in God.
But if the bible and the stories are real, the God would be a bad guy. So it makes sense that he would be the final villain.
@@Raffalius Yeah, what doesn't make sense is an omnipotent and omniscient being losing unless that was its intention. I felt like the ending was inevitably going to stupid and it didn't disappoint.
First seasons were amazing... More further ot went worse it got... Think last one who killed my mood was leviathans.... Purgatory.
puh i liked the time when dean had the the cain thing
I like to think Smallville help prepare Jensen to be a Hunter in Supernatural.
its a show its not real training. hes just acting like someone who knows that they are doing
Here's an ice cold take. If the show had stopped at the end of season 2, it would be a legendary cult classic. If they rewrote the ending of season 5 and stopped there, it would have felt like a coherent story.
15 seasons..... I guess I'm glad all the people involved had steady work but the only notable thing about the show is "when did you stop watching Supernatural" is a pretty good ice breaker.
I think the first five seasons were good to great with some obvious missteps, most notably the creation (and inclusion in the finale) of Sam and Dean's half brother, Adam. The final vessel for Michael should have been the resurrected young John Winchester, played brilliantly by Matt Cohen in the time travel episode. Later seasons were hit and miss but still mostly good for a few years, but the show really jumped the shark hard and eventually devolved into utter trash.
I loved all 15 seasons
I had to read this comment to make sure I hadn't written it and forgot that I had.
4 seasons, maybe 5. The ones with classic rock openings and tons of B-roll of Baby on “Midwestern” highways. By the time we got to bigger boss beaten by bigger bigger boss and they’re all god-tier… well, that’s like watching Trivial Pursuit between comparative religion majors.
I think Season 5's ending made sense
Lucifer and Michael got trapped forever, Dean retired with a family, Castiel was brought back by God(Chuck) and Sam(and presumely Adam) was also out of the cage in the end indicating that God must have done the same he did with Castiel, overall a satisfying ending
I do agree a ressurrected John Winchester makes a better final vessel for Michael than Adam though and that way John would be back as well
the prize fight finally both god's sons finally off the board. now just chuck. great plan by sam dean and jack
Loved Lucifer in this scene, just absolute classic Lucifer. He never gets old and I love it! Was sad to see him go but wow I enjoyed seeing him on screen!
I didnt underatand the idea of making God a bad guy. It didnt fit. He was an absentee landlord...he created heaven and earth and then just let them do what they wanted.
I feel like they just didnt have a new big bad to contend with. I think they should have instead have had the final boss be some interdimensional god that was on the same power level as god himself. That would have made more sense than what they came up with
Would be better if they did an alternate universe God who destroyed all his creations for some reason. Maybe let the Apocalypse happen and then got bored. So he comes over Winchester’s universe, manages to bind OG God somehow or imprisons him like what happened to the Darkness. Ends up making a mess of things. Final season is Sam, Dean, and crew trying to outsmart and outplay AU God and free Chuck.
@@TerrenceMcGinnisagreed, would have fit better, and you could've let Chuck sacrifice himself to cancel out evil chuck and jack taking over. Could have had him regret being the big bad in ancient times or all the mistakes he made to create such a mucked up story
I didn't like it either. I loved old Chuck. As far as the reason in series, Jack mentions in his last seen that Chucks mistake was making himself part of the story. I took that to mean that he let himself become too human with various issues and flawed decision making.
God is a bad guy in real life seems to fit pretty perfect to me you have to be a bad guy to be a almighty powerful being
I don't understand why the Shedim couldn't have been the final boss - they scared Lucifer and god didn't even let them out when all doors of hell were opened.
Chuck was like Andy from Toy Story with Michael: " I don't want to play with you anymore!"
Making Chuck "God" was just another massive Eff up in a long line of eff ups the writers did.
I honestly don't know how this show made it past season 1 let alone 15 years of it.
Lol.. The way Chuck dusted his hands after finishing Mike 😂😂😂
How tf did Lucifer kill death?
That is so ass backwards.
Yeah but they retconned OGdeath to just being an officeholder rather than a cosmic being on par with even an archangel, let alone God or Amara. Remember in season 5 Lucifer could enslave OG death? Hell, even same and dean were able to do it as humans. And each universe has it's own death as alt universe Michael claims he imprisoned his worlds death too. I wish they had kept the idea of death being on par with God, but it's just not canon.
OG death was probably just much stronger to be fair.
Power boost from God maybe
Exactly, so fucking annoying
There’s a theory that first death was incredibly powerful while his replacements just got a power boost and some knowledge.
It’s always the same with every series. We give them years of dedication ,only to be let down in the final seasons.
After so many seasons, and after all this, even with Jack in charge - nothing changes really.
Did Michael forget how to make his spear?
thats what I'm saying
he didn't even TRY to fight
This really is the finger poke of doom.
I heard that book contains the entire script of the Supernatural revival.
I dropped the show at some point before this season, and it was already a massive drop in quality at THAT point
my god the way the stakes and creatures dropped
Death (the current death) who is supposed to be on par with god and cosmic beings - killed so casually by lucifer without even his blade.
This is at least the 2nd time Michael and lucifer have fought, each time a spit in the face of season 5 when it said their fight would destroy half the world
Lol killing god is so insane . Like they just brought together a bunch of rags and used it to summon god
It was a fake spell. They knew Michael was a spy. Their real goal was to just get Michael out of the way and power up Jack.
The spell would not have summoned god. It was a light show for the benefit of Michael who they knew would tell God.
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I love how they stuck to the "source" material and made Yahweh the bad guy. 😅
so much power and all they do is cast ppl aside with push, XD
For those who are wondering how licy killed death, she is not the OG death, more of a assistant with benefits i think, death is having a vacation in Hawaii, but wait.. you cant kill death but maybe there is a super death to reap death💀.
No, she was the actual Death. The original was killed by Dean. The second one (Billie) was killed by The Empty.
God, this entire season destroyed the entire show.
And they killed off almost every good character. Dean died, Sam died of old age which is fine honestly, Castiel died, Lucifer died, and etc
@@BRB-ck3jrthey had great arcs for caracters, like Gabriel , they originally write him as a coward with family issues, then he had His redention arc AND had AND honorable dead, then he was back un the asmofeous Arc, that wasnt that bad, althought at first tough he was going to be bad AND that would ve been cool twist but no, they nerfed him for asmodeous, that ay the end wasnt even that powerfull since he only beated a depowered lucifer, then trickster s sons Arc that was quick AND didnt give anything to the carácter, the he died easily with Michael, if would have been cool if all the archangels team UP against god since we never get to see all them together, or how would have Michael AND Raphael reacted to see Gabriel again
@@nahuel2201 Yes I know there was a lot of good stuff. This comment was talking about all the bad so I added on to it
Especially turning God into the villain, and turning the Darkness into a good guy.
People need to stop this whole "this thing ruined the thing I loved!" It's makes zero sense. The stuff you still love is literally still there, nothing was ruined or destroyed
Ah yes you’ve done a cool spell I’m sure that will defeat the all knowing all powerful god with no weaknesses
Micheal didn’t have the balls to admit he hates god lol
No it seems like the argent never learn. I mean how many powerful beings are dead because they just didn't one shot the Winchesters form a distance, no they had to be upclose and personal with the boys just to end up dead. It may take the boys sometime to do it but they do get the job done🙏🙏
Because God set it up with that way. And he employed the fates to do it too.
Or it a prelude to season 16?! ❤❤❤😂🎉🎉❤❤❤
nTH time winchesters flying to wall
The powercreep here is a bit wild. OG death asserted that he will, at some point, reap god. Lucifer had to use a ritual to control him, and dean only managed to kill him via a loophole using Deaths own scythe against him. Now luci is just snapping his fingers to kill death?
Damn Chuck killed his son ? Though I don’t get why ? Like he can bring him back. He brought back Lucifer again ?
How can an angel kill death? Earlier he was stronger than god now anyone can just come and kill him.
Not stronger, but his equal
@@Bleg94 Death was never God's equal. He only said "As old as God, maybe older... It's been so long, none of us remember anymore. Regardless, in the end, I'll reap him, too!" He never says he would kill God. The reason he "thinks" he would reap him in the end is probably due to Death's Library having a book for God. Maybe Amara kills him, maybe he becomes human and dies of old age like he did at the end of the show, any incarnation of Death would reap him in that case, which is true. Otherwise that statement never implies Death being a God level being. Remember even Billie, when she was a reaper, said she would reap God in an hour or so when Amara injured Chuck. In fact, the fact Death not remembering who is older and alternate universes having different versions of Death imply that he is clearly a lesser being compared to God, Amara and The Empty. I would think of him as around Micheal/Lucifer level, maybe slightly higher, maybe slightly lower. Lucifer finger snapping Death could be due to him being empowered by Jack's grace before the first time he dies.
People love to glaze Death when clearly he was never on God's level. Reaping doesn't mean he can kill God anytime he wants. Learn the difference and use your brain while you're watching.
Honestly rather easy to fix this that it feels bad
Have Chuck be the one to kill the new Death after Death tries to stop him from ending the natural order, with him aknowledging that had it been the Old Death he could've been in trouble, then Michael and Lucifer face him together after finally forgiving each other and either have them lose to get the same ending with Jack or have them win by teaming up like the Darkness was beaten with Dean & Sam as vessels as the final "free will" twist as the angels stand up to their father and the boys overcome fate
Perhaps with the last blow being done with Death's scythe so what Death told Dean all the way back about reaping God coming to fruition
If chuck has lucifer's back, then that blade wouldn't do anything.
That's not something I want to watch again
Much as i disliked the final season, I do enjoy that Lucifer betrayed them all when God took him back. Being God’s favorite was Lucifer’s entire motivation in mythology after all.
But the rest….
Upsets me that dean and sam never got to meet Adam as a person
Lucifer is an idiot! All he had to do was teleport away with the book.
I can only guess that Lucifer was able to kill Death because he got a power-up from Chuck, that wretched little shite!
I hate that the series went in the direction making God out to be the ultimate villain. Really. Then they were delayed in even making the last few episodes because COVID happened.
I actually liked all of it
The showdown of lucifer vs michael was supposed to scorch half the planet.
In the other world, the war was still going on and tore almost the entire planet apart.
And in this fight here, michael throws some energy that does 0 damage to a brick wall.
Lucifer throws some energy that throws michael back.
And then Michael stabs Lucifer to death.
So anyone can be a writer i guess.
Is it weird I'm disappointed Lucifer didn't end up siding with the Winchesters? AKA Team Free Will. Cause like...he was kinda the OG to question the blind faith of listening to God and following his word etc etc. But I guess they needed an easy/believable villain...
You've being death for an hour
Should do an idjit compilation
This season was so unbearably bad. That Lucifer death, is the cheapest worst death in the entire show
Wow. Such suspense.
I feel like an episode of Travelers (on Netflix) was filmed on that same beech.
For a show that ran for 15 season they really rushed the ending with sooo many unresolved storylines and characters. Could have taken atleast 5 or 10 minutes of the finale to show all the characters close to the Winchesters tha died without resolution. For example we last saw Jo as a ghost, no single mention of her afterwards of she was finally happy in the afterlife. Or Charlie. Or Becky and her family who were snapped by Chuck. So many unresolved characters
Misha said the last episode was supposed to take place in Deans “heaven”, which was a roadside bar and all the characters in they loved and who had died, were supposed to be in the final scene. Because of Covid and the strict Canadian requirements of only ten people on set at a time, they couldn’t do it. Hence the ending with Dean and Sam on the bridge.
i really dont get how lucifer can just snap his finger and kill death cause the first death called him a child throwing a tantrum, if thats all death sees him as how did that child just thanos snap death
Totally lines up that the angel reknown for being rebellious would just fall in line to his father... ok
Physically showing god was the biggest mistake the writers ever did, in a setting like supernatural he has no place other than in stories and legends and besides that god should have won this without even a chance of him not winning because he is damn god.
Imo the best approach to an ultimate villain after season 5 would have been a very slow return of amara acting weakened out of her prison using things like the leviathans not as gods but as amaras creations as soon as they were free to give amara the means to act on anything at all with her creations being free, their unlimited need to feed and consume gods creations was always a nice parallel to amara destroying gods creations on a greater scale.
This would have given the leviathans some sort of deepness and actual goal that isn't only fueled by an empty stomach, eve could have easly been presented as the leviathans leader and amaras answer to gods archangels, the empty could still be that third party entity but with the goal to end amaras plans to make sure it's domain can't be filled with more castiels that keep it awake giving it reason to work with sam and dean and with it ACTUALLY having a realistic chance to beat amara before she fully frees herself from her cage with the final battle being between the winchesters and crew vs eve which is a 100 times more doable than coming up with that trainwreck of a final season to kill the man who made everything and being free and at full power.
Michael? make him have a talk with lucifer after being caged with him, about the mark, about how god manipulated both of them, about everything.
make him hate god and try to do the right thing by searching for god and contronting him to fix all the bad he has caused as a creator, this could give michael the heroes death and redeem him as that beacon of light, rightous leader of heaven, protector of humanity and so on before god smites him that would make for a tragic death that people can mourn, a similar thing could have been done with lucifer through jack so lucifer can learn to live among and accept humans as victims of gods plan just as he himself is a victim of exactly that.
Rowena and Crowley? Scrap it, crowley was fun and brought the dark humor supernatural needed besides it's serious moments, they should have left it at that and let him go as the funny ahole we all loved before he became that pathetic something he turned into before he did his out of character sacrifice.
Cain and the mark? Overall good idea, nothing much to change about it other than that stupid moment dean trolled death and killed him which is still dumb and shouldn't even be possible just because dean swung the scythe in a way that looked like he was gonna get sam, cosmic being my butt.
This is all a personal opinion.
Funny how the actors stayed the distance because of the covid. 😅
Season 5: "If Michael and lucifer fight then half the planet will be burned!!!"
Season 15: boop, bop, shank, ARGH. Done.
Also turning God into the big bad ruined this show for me.
and for me.
It was inevitable. Even in our world, God is an asshole at times. In a world were true evil is allowed to roam? Of course he was going to get bored of creation eventually cos he let shit happen for entertainment.
@Yattien89 be careful what you think you know about God and who he is.
I suggest studying your Bible, God has endless love.
He is NOTHING like Chuck.
Chuck, is essentially if God thought and acted the same way we humans do. He is an imperfect "God"
Real God is entirely different.
@@a1uplift212 I mean, there is no real god anyway but I know of the stories of what he did as "punishments". If a god existed, he was and is an asshole.
@Yattien89 only a fool says "there is no real God" Psalms 14:1
Please, when you have Genesis 18.
If God is such an "asshole" then that story would've looked wildly different.
I hope you read the book of Proverbs and come to the realization that you have no spiritual wisdom, and that you pray with an open mind and get to see that you're taking things and seeing them through only your understanding.
Okay I've never watched this series, but I'm guessing the Winchester's are the two younger guys and the god guy is against them.. so why doesn't he just do to them what he did to Michael?
Plot armor. He will flick the insignificant human bugs around and taunt them and torture them and monolog because they're the main characters, and then some plan will come through or some unexpected somebody will show up with somehow a God killing knife and stab him in the back.
Great show despite that for 5 seasons, then progressively worse and more stupid with each successive season and this was like, 14.
Plot armor, the Winchesters always get thrown around instead of shot/stabbed/incinerated/hit by lightning
@@Michael-y4f8f This is only a problem with Evil Chuck. Before that, it wasn't plot armor but simply the nature of mythological creatures. Folklore is filled with these creatures being duped by humans. They don't have the sense enough to be "utterly ruthless". Even in the case of irl demonic possession, whether you believe it or not, exorcists never report demons as "smart". Cunning and tricky and always trying to get you to abandon the Truth, sure, but not smart, and certainly not wise.
The Winchesters have biggest plot armor since Batman. Even Batman has a limit lmao
Man DC Lucifer would end all their careers 😂
deus tava só o desespero nestes últimos episódios kkkk Não Conseguiu sobrepor, anular o poder da Morte que protege e mantém o livro trancado. Precisou mandar lúcifer capturar um ceifeiro e amarrar pra usar quando nova encarnação da Morte, pra só depois abrir o livro e ver o que estava escrito no livro... E nem isso conseguiu kkk A Morte é a entidade máxima depois dos livros da Morte é claro.
When did Lucifer get the power to kill death?
It was a new and inexperienced death and did not have the time to grow strong in the roll.
@@Tim.Stotelmeyer But she was embodiment of Death none the less, experience shouldn't matter
@@TheRoboy95 Think of it this way: For every mortal that dies the embodiment of death grows stronger. Due to her lack of time as Death and Chuck erasing mortals and not killing them she would not have been able to grow that much stronger than a regular soul reaper.
So let me see this Chuck is fake God or just random person like Zeus, but even so he ended Michael so easily so why couldn’t he done same to this two brothers even if they are humans with no power.
They should've just stuck to werewolves and vampires etc.
I never like Lucifier in this show, he never felt like a real threat or menacing.
What about season 5?
@MsBluebot Remind me, what did he do in season 5?
Its been a long time since i actually watched it.
What about when he got shot with the Colt and it did exactly squat?
he is behind uou
This series took a bad turn...
I forget, but how did Lucifer get enough power to beat Death? Thought Death was supposed to be up on God's level?
She was a new Death and did not get the time to grow in strength.
What is the saying absolute power curropts absolutely?
How come Jesus never was on show?
I admit once God became the villain i lost interest. After all if the bad guy is god and the show has made clear aside from his sister and death no one is even on the same level how could the boys possibly win aside from bullshit plot armor. With that being said how did lucifer kill death? When death was introduced they made it clear that he would reap god in the end, and the only reason he was tied to lucifer's prison was because of god. Sure the boys briefly shackled him, but again they were using direct divine interference and castiel who was channeling god level power what with all the purgatory souls immediately broke it. Also why is death a chick now anyway?
Honestly I lost interest during the Amara arc. Only finished the show out of the sunken cost fallacy
It's Death. Not a chick. 🤦 Shutter your misogynistic tendencies.
Death was never God's equal. He only said "As old as God, maybe older... It's been so long, none of us remember anymore. Regardless, in the end, I'll reap him, too!" He never says he would kill God. He even says "What makes you think I can do that?" when Dean & Bobby ask him to kill God (they were referring to Castiel empowered by the sould from Purgatory). The reason he "thinks" he would reap him in the end is probably due to Death's Library having a book for God, which writes itself. Maybe Amara kills him, maybe he becomes human and dies of old age like he did at the end of the show, any incarnation of Death would reap him in that case, which is true. Otherwise that statement never implies Death being a God level being. Remember even Billie, when she was a reaper, said she would reap God in an hour or so when Amara injured Chuck. In fact, the fact that Death not remembering who is older and alternate universes having different versions of Death imply that he is clearly a lesser being compared to God, Amara and The Empty. I would think of his power level around Micheal/Lucifer level, maybe slightly higher, maybe slightly lower. Lucifer finger snapping Death could be due to him being empowered by Jack's grace before the first time he dies.
A bit early to post this no ?
You're here, aren't you?
This show ended a while ago.
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I hated season 15 so much ...
Turning god into the big bad was a real blue haired fat woman anime idea ... ruined the whole series
Dude, you are 100 per cent right.
Only if you have theological objections to it. But the Abrahamist deity truly is a great literary villain. Egotistical. Flawed. Evil. Adapting that just made sense for the end of the series.
@@sypherthe297th2 dont know the whole tone of the series was a different one they shouldnt have pulled such a cliché comic multiversum bullshit ... just because it is a twist doesn't mean it is a good one
Interesting take. It makes even more sense of when you consider the writers and showrunner. They are very much blue haired politically driven people. They had the supernatural team take a political stance and support Kamala. Changed my view of Jensen. Luckily Jarrod wasn't there. Caught me off guard. I never thought to mix politics with supernatural before
I didn't see it at the time, but I guess you're right
@@crewxp God being fucked in the head when this is the reality he created is a pretty easy observation to make. If saying that the guy who makes it possible for babies to die and or be crippled/diseased before they're even born is "blue hair politics" then everyone better get their dye kits out I guess because what the fuck is the alternative take to that that isn't morally evil?
I love the seried but why was chuck(god) sutch a dush
The final battle between Michael and Lucifer was a disappointing wet fart of a scene.
Man the writers and showrunners just did not care about maintaining the quality after season 6-7. Show just tanked and got so lazy
Holy piss the writing went to shit in this show
Hate the direction they went
This was a great series until like the final two seasons in the whole Chuck being God thing was just stupid
Alternate universe Michael and Leviathans and purgatory... Heaven being a bunch of useless pencil pushers... this show got so bad. The early seasons were like a movie. The latter seasons were just an insult.
The series was dead after season 5 . The rest is trash not worth watching
I love this show but ArchAngel blades, such trash writing, it's an insult.
Anticlimactic and a total waste, plus the worst casting and story telling of God ever made.
Sam and Dean are far more durable than any superheroes out there, they tanked a beating from G.
😂😂😂😂
What a sht ass show. The first 2 seasons were interesting
cringe and dumb
Wait….so god is a bad guy in this? Interesting
the dialogue was so bad.... supernatural lost it's touch a loooooong time ago.. i think seasons 1-5 were just the all-time best... sure their was good episodes in the other seasons but a single episode can't carry a whole season unfortunatly
what's the stopping point for supernatural show? before it becomes this campy cosmic thing?
@@Selia-xm6ei I would say stop after the leviathan season.
I HATED the last season, They should not have messed with GOD as a character.