Anyone else remember when he went down with an ankle injury in Miami that was supposed to keep him out for at least a month or 2, then he came back in 2 weeks looking 20 pounds heavier all muscle? LOL
Stop playing. Everybody knows what's up. The league is covering up for him. Players around the league won't say anything because of how it will make them look. But they know more than anybody. But I don't get mainstream media. I remember when Barry Bonds was planning they had no problem publicly questioning him every day. Now they're afraid to say anything about James. If he is smart he will retire soon before he eventually gives himself away.
1. Had a growth removed from his jaw. 2. Name found on bio list wit r. Lewis etc. 3. Lost extreme weight when he went back to Cleveland then took time off to go to Miami and gained all his muscle back. 4. Gained 7lbs during a game.
I was hoping someone remembered this. He (and Carmelo Anthony) lost a LOT of weight in the 2014 offseason when Adam Silver took over as commissioner and mentioned drug testing becoming more prominent. Then he "had a little talk" with Adam Silver before bulking back up.
Its physically impossible to sustain that kind of speed and explosiveness at LeBron's size and his age combined with insane amount of miles on his legs. The NBA doesn't test for those substances anymore, you haven't heard of any player being suspended in the past several years.
LeBron doesn't jump as high or dunk the ball nearly as much as he use to in his career. His athleticism has definitely declined throughout his career, he just improved other aspects of his game so that he can still play at a high level without relying on his physical gifts as much. The thing he does the best is exploit mismatches. He will always be faster and more coordinated than centers and tall defenders, so he can drive by them and get to the basket, because they need to respect his jumpshot (which he has perfected throughout his career, contrary to folks like Zion and Ben Simmons who had similar, if not more athletic gifts). When smaller defenders are on him he just uses his strength and bullys his way and either shoots a turnaround mid range or drop steps for a layup
@@dominicharris5489he is not genetically special…in 2014 season when he came back to Cleveland and lost that weight, he LOST athletic abilities until he went on that “two week” sabbatical to Miami…if he was truly Genetically different, he would’ve maintained and became even faster and jump higher when he lost that weight…WE CAN ALL GO LOOK AT THE TAPE, and at beginning of that 2014, he was not playing above the rim and chasing down guys for blocks…but somehow he is supposed to be natural jumping over guys and chasing down 20 year olds for blocks…NO HE IS NOT NATURAL
And LeBron is?! Lmao. He's not even 40 and is going bald. He has blemishes on his face. Those are indications of bad health to an extent. You only don't need to spend millions to stay in great health for the long run...not even in sports. Lol. That spending millions per year for his health is b.s.
You ignore Kareem at age 38 , (same as LeBron now,) won his second Finals MVP in 1985 when he became the oldest to win the award at 38 years and 54 days old. After that, Kareem went on to win the NBA championship at age 40 in 1987 and again at age 41 in 1988 Lebron won his last finals mvp at age 36 and none since. Looks like Lebron has his work cut out for him to be as relevant as Kareem in his late 30's and 40's.
@@littyagain9402 Kareem was an all star when he was age 39/40/41. He is the oldest all star ever at age 41. He won the NBA championship at age 38/40/41. He averaged the most points per game of any 41 year old player ever. Lebron has not done any of these things. Kareem is still the gold standard .
During his stint in Mia he was also suspected since back then. Chael Sonnen said he knows his drug guy, LeBron neither denied it nor went after him for those claims. I've seen him during halftime drop a pill he takes but that could be anything not necessarily bad.
@Ash_things38 I don't think that you really understand what you're implying. There are no magical drugs that you can take doses of for 1-3 weeks and come back able to run faster, jump higher, and shoot a ball more accurately.
There's zero chance he was taking any type of banned substance during a game on TV. That would be mind-bogglingly stupid, and I'm pretty sure PEDs don't work that way anyway - they aren't a pill you can take for a quick strenghpth boost in the middle of strenuous activity.
I would dispute that LeBron is playing at an “elite level”. He hasn’t played all 82 games for years. By the end of the season he rests a lot and sometimes doesn’t even make it back on defense. LeBron is playing 60 games a season. 😂😂😂
Come on Kareem averaged 23ppg when he's 38. With modern training and medicine it's not exactly impossible that Lebron can do that. Also he hasn't played more than 60 games in quite a few years and coasts on defense
Not the same play style at all, Kareem's play didn't consistent on running and dunking the ball on fast breaks. LeBron definitely used them when he had that "injury" before the Lakers started wining without him while he was on "rehab". He did them too in Miami (biogenesis scandal) and back in 2015 when playing for the Cavs he went for more because his numbers/athleticism were not looking good. No one is talking about roid abuse, but completely denying that it happened/happens from time to time is delusional at this point
If Lebron lost a lot of speed and was scoring via post moves that’s one thing but he’s still running like a gazel and soaring in the air like an eagle this isn’t natural at all
@@ozzee5094 He's for sure lost explosiveness. He doesn't get as high as he used to. When is the last time his head has been at the rim? He has gotten his eyes above the rim in game before. I'd estimate he has lost 6-8 inches at least.
hyperbaric oxygen is really effective. he probably uses frequencies too. plus what ped can make you play basketball good? what ped can make you halt aging effect?
@@sportstalkonly1442because the NBA is an entertainment company and not governed by any sports commission. Same reason WWF had to change its name to WWE.
@@francisdayon so the dea who convicted other athletes across multiple sports covered for lebron james is what you're telling me? I have no problem with the insinuation that lebron could be on something because idk how he is playing this good for this long. The problem is when u say he is for sure on something without any proof. He passes all his tests and was cleared by the dea who has a 90 percent conviction rate. I don't think u understand how significant that is. Either way it's about proof. Not hearsay. If he was cleared by the same dea that convicted dozens of baseball players and a DEA agent kevin stanfill who had 2 decades of experience in the field the question would be why would he be the only one that was cleared?
I do agree it can be suspicious at times lebrons physical capabilities at age 38 it’s not unheard of, Eliud Kipchoge became the first human ever to run a sub 2 hour marathon at age 35, while it wasn’t an official marathon attempt it’s still ridiculously impressive and broke the marathon world record in 2022 at age 37
also no NBA player (afaik) spends as much money as bron does on his health, physical and mental. he does a range of unorthodox physical treatments iirc. could contribute to longevity but no data available.
LeBron isn't a light man. His knees should have started giving out from all the running and jumping. And you tell me this one man genes is better than every other athlete out there. You do know Lance Amrstrong performed in his later years.............uh wait he was on PEDs!!!! Non detectable ones. Something a million a year can pay for!
To be fair if you only use videos of Lebron's defense during this season to what he was doing during his stint with Miami people would be asking "how did he get so old so fast!?"
@@sportstalkonly1442 "Stanfill, the former DEA investigator, said that because of the duo’s connection, the DEA examined whether Alexander’s actions had any connection to James and determined that they did not." That's not the same thing as being cleared by the DEA of PED use.
@@dr.wongburger2947 he was the lead investigator slow one. He lead the case against the biogenesis ledger hence why he is the one that said LeBron was cleared of any wrongdoing. How else would he know unless he was on the case?
@@dr.wongburger2947 plus they have a 90 percent conviction rate. If he was cleared that means they investigated him and didn't find anything. Hence he was cleared by the DEA.
@@sportstalkonly1442 Cleared of any wrongdoing IN CONNECTION TO THAT PARTICULAR CASE. The goddamn DEA isn't saying that they have proven that Lebron has been clean his entire career. So for you to argue that this particular case proves that is dumb AF.
Good piece! It's so amazing how most ex basketball players his age suffer from hip, knee, and foot problems from all of the jumping and cutting but LeBron walks normally after 20 yrs of playing high-level ball from Oct-June. This dude is on something. Blood transfusions, masked PEDs something. At this pace, he'll be still playing in the NBA when his draft class of 2003 becomes grandparents and great-grandparents.
We only have the entire history of sports to compare! In the history of sport as we know them. The only times a person has gotten bigger! Faster and Stronger over the age of 35! Enhancements were involved...and ladies and gentlemen we call that cheating! Barry Bond and Roger Clemons are not in their HOF for bigger, faster and stronger late in life!
I think its mixture of him being an super elite athlete, the league being the softest and least physical its ever been , him never really playing much in the post , him playing little t no defense over the last 6 or 7 years , not playing in college ... and PED's
Sure lets say its not as physical than the old era, but its much more demanding amd taxing in todays game. Offenses are much more complex and fast nowadays as the 3 point line is in more use.
@@MHScald ITs way less physically demanding and taxing nowadays ... offenses are less complex ( espcaillsy Brons offense... which for his careee has been "Bron has the ball in his hand 85% of the time and pretty much everyone else stands at the 3 point line )... and taking 3's are the least taxing thing a player can do ... which is why you can tell when a player is sometimes getting tired as they will take more 3's the usual ..... and Bron will defiantly take lots of plays off when on the court ... like you will see him just stand or walk down the court while his teammates are running ... also he load manages a lot .., as do most other players .... as few star player today play anywhere close to 82 games
@@MHScaldmuch more demanding? Fast? If you actually watch Bron play and don't only watch highlights you will be shocked how many times he just stands there and pretty much doesn't impact the plays whatsoever, his off ball game is really nonexistant and even when he makes turnovers (which he's leading the league in) he very rarely makes up for it on the defensive end...
I also find it odd that this isn't talked about too much. Money gives him more scope than others in this regard. I'm a cycling fan, and when I hear the "1.5 million dollars per year on his body" line trotted out, it makes me think of cyclists talking about "marginal gains" etc. to explain away their superior performances. I mean, how much can a good diets, workout regimens or even cryotherapy chambers really do to fight against Father Time? My best guess is that Lebron uses products that are borderline, and thus NOT illegal. Not a bodybuilder's trenbologna sandwich, but rather low level testosterone and salbutamol on some kind of therapeutic use exemption, or maybe more experimental things like bovine colostrum (very speculative I'll admit!). Money can help you to bend the rules, if not break them.
@Bellerophon17 It does get talked about outside of mainstream media. Mainstream media will only cover it if there is indisputable evidence released. As for other athletes, they probably think complaining is pointless.
the whole $1.5 million he spends on his body annually isn't just about squeezing out tiny advantages. We're talking about a whole ecosystem of professional health and fitness support here. This includes expert trainers, physios, nutritionists, and some of the best recovery tech out there. It's a lot more comprehensive than just hitting the gym or eating right. Also, I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare basketball with cycling. Sure, both are sports, but they're worlds apart in terms of physical demands and, let's be honest, their histories with PEDs. And about the speculation on LeBron using 'borderline' products - it's a slippery slope to go down without concrete evidence. It's one thing to be skeptical; it's another to make assumptions. LeBron, like any athlete, is subject to regular drug testing, and without any actual proof, it's just speculation. I believe it's fair to give credit to LeBron for his discipline and commitment to his health and fitness. I mean, combating Father Time isn't just about magic pills or secret formulas - it's about dedication, hard work, and making the most of the resources you have, and he has endless.
@@Bellerophon17 For sure, it's totally normal to wonder about LeBron's insane skills, especially at 38. It's like, how does he even do it right But besides the whole PED thing, we've got to remember there's a bunch of high-tech training and serious dedication behind his performance. It's cool to ask questions, keeps things real. it's a big part of being a sports fan getting into all the hows and whys of our favorite athletes, especially with all the advancements in sports science these days.
i think the problem with players that pushed 40s is that their work ethic isn't the same they kno they're close to the end so instead of going harder they slow down but bron doing the complete opposite
But still loss 6 nba finals and continues to lose . Aint do anything but get swept and miss the playoffs since that bubble ring .Not hating that is a fact
Not a big LeBron fan but if there are any set of drugs that can help you stay healthy, energized and injury free, that drug is called "extreme self discipline".
There is no doubt in the majority of NBA fans knows this man is on something seeing how long he's been playing. Lebron's been taking an executive break on the court since 2013. When's the last time he's played a full 82 game season? He's purposely doing what he's doing to preserve his body. Whereas Mike, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson truly gave everything until their bodies gave out. Those are true NBA goats, not LeFraud the NBA float!
well ... some dudes think if they cant dunk and cant make athletic moves .. that they are done. bron just develops what is essential to play basketball and making it work.
People act like you turn 35 and your body turns to glass. What the issue really is is that traditionally guys just started resting on their laurels and would skip workouts because they'd paid their dues. Now, the guys who are really dedicated, like James and Curry, keep up with all the conditioning that most guys don't. It's going to be difficult to keep top-end speed into your late 30s but most of the game doesn't depend on that. You can keep the vast majority of your endurance and skill until well into your 40s if you work at it.
In any sport if you were averaging same at 40 as you were in your prime you would be under investigation. Imagine Usain Bolt running 9.6 in the 100 at 40 that would be instant investigation.
Well Lebron has always kept himself in really good shape even though I'm not a big fan of his I give him credit for doing well at his age but yeah this is starting to get suspicious
You think the league is morally above covering up Lebron's potential PED use? They literally just covered up Giddey's child molestation and allow him to keep playing while hes being criminally investigated like nothing is happening😂
He's obviously using PED and we shouldn't have any problems with it since almost everyone in the nba are using it. It's a fair game. Even Derrick Rose admitted that steriods was a problem in the nba back in early 2010s but he was forced to take back his words.
Exactly I think even a player like steph curry is on epo which gives you crazy endurance curry is 35 and doesn’t get tired makes no sense. But Bron I don’t know what he’s on he must have a team of scientists working in a super lab 🧪 this is getting out of hand I think he’s on an anti aging serum
stem cells, hgh, epo, and peptides. My guy's on all of them with the compounded knowledge. yes it doesnt take away from his athleticism and talent, but it sure as hell lets him retain it
Di you know how far sports medicine has advanced since the 2000? And the game itself has changed so drastically that it's more plausible to last this long vs 1990-2010. Kevin Durant suffered what would be a career ending injury (Ditto Paul George). Curry's type of ankles derailed Grant Hill's prime because the treatment available to Steph wasn't available to Grant. The only anomaly I can think of from those earlier eras was Terrell Owens in football. The amount of training and the advances in training/medical science in 40 years, as well as the amount of advancement should be taken into account, along with luck (LeBron seems to have that).
The older players put a lot more stress on their bodies, having to play both ends of the floor at a high level. Okay to compsre players from different eras, but then you must also compare the game. Dont discount the constant hits and bumps the jordans and birds of the era took in the paint.
I challenge you to go back and watch one of those old NBA games, even the playoff games. The pace was slow and there was much less impact overall because people were much less athletic. I'm not being a hater or anything, literally go watch the games and you will be surprised that they might not match your memory of them.
Compared to old man LeBron Jordan was playing 1-on-5 in Washington. Imagine if old man Jordan was playing for a decent team. Phil Jacksom wanted him to join him on the Lakers making a big 3 of Shaq, Kobe and Jordan.
Have you watched a modern NBA game? Because if you have, it's obvious why he's been around for so long. Here are the bullet points: - physical play is literally banned. It's easier on the body - all the long distance chucking means you're basically running from one three point line to the other on most plays, cutting down the total distance covered (unless you're Steph Curry) - there's so much stoppage in play nowadays, not just from mandatory tv timeouts, but also for all the referee discussions and asides that seem to happen every 3 minutes. Overall, if you watch an NBA game on league pass with no commentary, you'll see how much downtime there actually is, and it's AOT
Thank you for raising this topic. Lebron James got noticeably bigger and stronger in his mid-30s. That is UNNATURAL. It is exactly what we saw happen with Barry Bonds, whose physique changed, and he went on a home run hitting rampage at about the same age. Also, few people remember that when Lebron left Miami and returned to Cleveland in 2014, he showed up for training camp having lost a great deal of weight and appearing much thinner. He was also a very different player on the court than he had been in Miami the prior season. He had lost speed, strength, elevation and overall athleticism. Numerous observers commented on those things at the time. That is when Lebron took a mid-season "vacation" from basketball. It is known that he returned to Miami, and when he finally rejoined the Cavaliers (I cannot recall how long he had been away), he looked much more like his old self. This raised questions in the minds of many about what happened down in Miami. We may never know, but I cannot shake the suspicions that James has been using PEDs for several years and possibly longer. Would the NBA sweep it under the rug? Well, they may have chosen to do so at the very beginning, which thereafter bound them to maintain the coverup.
It hurts his legacy when u compare him to all time greats, but idk if it hurts him in the context of this era since I’m pretty sure everyone or most elite players are taking PED’s. It would make sense for the league to allow it because it allows the game to b more entertaining and for high level talent to stay out on the floor. They’re not fighting each other they’re putting a ball through a hoop. But I think he gave himeself away when he talked about how his doctor said his foot healed faster than anyone he had ever seen. EPO, peptides, and HGH will do that
Today's league make it easier for a player like Lebron once he's still in great shape. His stats looks the same when he was in his absolute peak prime and this is clearly because how the league has changed since around the mid 10's. Still was he's doing is impressive, especially because this year he's looking like the better version of himself since the 2020 bubble. Now how suspicious is impossibile to say but throughout his career there has been other moments where he looked off and then after some break he came back like a totally different player, also the speed on which his body react and recover after injuries is incredibile too. For sure he's a freak of nature and invested a lot on his shape but clearly some suspicious come to mind.
If we’re going to talk about Jordan taking significant time off can we please acknowledge Lebron has played only 2/3rds of a season (on avg) ever since he turned 33? And that he has missed more games since he’s been on the Lakers than Kareem missed in his entire 20yr career? I’m not saying that what Lebron is doing isn’t impressive, but I’m growing extremely tired of people acting like it’s unprecedented. MJ’s body actually was breaking down on the Wizards but when he wasn’t trying to play through cracked ribs and partially torn ligaments in his knee I.e. from game 12-game47 of the ‘01-‘02 season he was he was putting up similar numbers but without all the turnovers, missed free throws, and cherry picked baskets from lazy defense/hustle. All I am saying is we’re still only 1/4th into a long season, let’s at least wait till we’re in the last 1/4th of the season b4 we all start giving Lebron hand jobs for something that “we’ve never seen before,” especially since we’ve seen it before
Lebron does it by barely playing Defense in a soft league that barely plays Defense. And the many times he doesn't cross half court. Lebron is a stat junkie.
He still drives the ball at a high rate and he can shoot the threes good and that's just him but where he excels is he don't get tired and that what makes him unstoppable. By him not getting tired causes concerns about him using PEDS.
Someone should study this, because it is not just happening to LeBron or in the NBA (e.g. Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, etc.). Other examples are Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Tom Brady, Roger Federer, and Rafael Nadal.
The decline in all the players you mentioned is massive if you are actually familiar with them...LeBron is in a league of his own and it's very suspicious
I am the opposite of you in my reasoning, the fact that he has played sooooo long is what kills him, he still is not as decorated as Mike who played significantly fewer seasons at this point My criteria is very extensive for the NBA GOAT, and much more stringent than most, that criteria is as follows, *Required to be in GOAT conversation:(15 boxes to check) •10+ Playoff Appearances •4+ Conference Finals Appearances •3+ NBA Finals Appearances •2+ Championships •2+ Finals MVP •1+ Regular Season MVP •10+ All NBA Teams(1st,2nd,3rd) •Make an All-Rookie Team(1st,2nd) •12+ All Star Appearances •10+ Additional Awards on top of all that •Have to be the star player(1A at worst) •Have to hold an NBA record •Top 25 All Time in Playoff Win Shares •First ballot HOF(or future) •Check 60%+ of total boxes(50, 35 to go) Those 15 alone cut you down to 10 players ever that can check all of those boxes, 2 more that can check every box but Finals MVP and All-Rookie Team... because they didn't exist yet or early enough, but hit everything else, you should be able to guess who those 2 are lol, they are the only 2 who can say that, those 12 players set themselves apart from the rest, next category is stuff that most of those 12 check, but not all of them on anything, some are increased requirements from stuff already in there to knit pick between them, *Commonalities:(15 boxes) •Win ROY(9/12) •Make an All Defensive Team(10/12) •Win an All Star Game MVP(10/12) •Make more than 5 All NBA 1st Teams(10/12) •Win back to back NBA MVP(9/12) •Back to back Championships(9/12) •3+ Championships(9/12) •Have a .500+ Record in the Finals(10/12) •Average a Career Double-Double(8/12) •Be Top 25 in Total Win Shares(11/12) •Be Top 25 in Points(9/12) •Be Top 25 in PPG(8/12) •Be Top 25 in Playoff Points(11/12) •Be Top 25 in PER(10/12) •Be Top 25 in Box Plus/Minus(8/12) Last category is stuff no more than half of those 12 players have, and in all but 3 cases, it is 45% or less, to really knit pick, we get full blown on the increased requirements, heavier focus on defense, last of the list, *Rarities:(20 boxes) •Top 25 in RPG(6/12) •Top 25 in APG(2/12) •Top 25 in SPG(2/10) •Top 25 in BPG(5/12) •Top 25 in MPG(5/12) •Top 25 in Playoff PPG(5/12) •Top 25 in Defensive Box Plus/Minus(3/10) •50-40-90 Season(2/12) •Threepeat NBA MVP(3/12) •5+ NBA MVP(3/12) •Threepeat Championships(4/12) •5+ Championships(6/12) •Win DPOY(2/10) •Win multiple scoring titles(5/12) •Win a rebounds title(4/12) •Win an assists title(3/12) •Win a steals or blocks title(4/10) •Make more than 5 All Defensive 1st Teams(3/11) •Win multiple All Star Game MVP(6/12) •Win a Slam Dunk or 3 Point contest(3/12) 😅 if you're still reading congrats, and thanks lol, here are the 12 players that meet all requirements available to them and where they rank in terms of percentage of possible boxes checked ✅️ in ascending order: 12)Hakeem Olajuwon(30/50; 60%) T-10)Kevin Durant(31/50; 62%) T-10)Larry Bird(31/50; 62%) T-8)Kobe Bryant(32/50; 64%) T-8)Magic Johnson(32/50; 64%) T-6)LeBron James(33/50; 66%) T-6)Tim Duncan(33/50; 66%) T-4)Shaquille O'Neal(35/50; 70%) T-4)Bill Russell(28/40; 70%) 3)Kareem Abdul-Jabbar(36/50; 72%) 2)Wilt Chamberlain(30/41; 73%) 1)Michael Jordan(42/50; 84%) As expected... MJ is the GOAT, not expected, the gap between him and number 2... is the biggest gap on the list, he is on a level all his own, and it gets more obvious the longer you look 🤷♂️💯
I'm a huge LeBron fan, I've watched him courtside twice. People don't seem to remember that at around 38 years old, Michael Jordan was averaging 25 points per game before his injury. His numbers dropped to 21 points per game when he was playing on a torn tendon in his knee. So we're not quite to the point where what he's doing is impossible.. LeBron takes care of his body, he's been talking about it since day one. If he gets to like 42 and he's still doing these things then I'll be suspicious. Also, if he's on something, don't you think many of the other players are on something as well?
10 years ago i predicted bron would have a long ass career projecting his performance and style and comparing it to other long NBA careers. Lot of people said he would not get that points record but i argued he would a long time ago. I am no huge bron fan but i can see what is clear
Even though there's plenty of talent in the NBA, there's none that has the capacity to carry the entire league like LeBron or MJ before him, and Kareem before him. So they have to keep him going. That's my theory anyways. They did the same thing to Mohammed Ali. Knew about the condition, made him fight anyway to keep boxing afloat.
Legroin is the most overrated B-Ball player of all time. He's a ball hogging cry baby who basically muscles his way around the court. The game will be so much better when he's gone.
Elite traveller. Elite carrier. Elite shooter from 3feet. Elite charger without being called for it. Elite at shoving his forearm into his defenders throat without being called on it. Elite at getting phantom foul calls. Elite flopper. Elite ref whinger. Gets free runs to the basket as the defence is not willing to get a tech foul for breathing on him. Yeah hes elite alright. And hes known to be associated with a doping company. Elite. Youre kidding right? Btw. Don bradman was elite well into his 40s. And probably could have continued until 50 he was that much better.
People act like 38 is too damn old. With the advancements in science and technology over the years, players will last longer and recover better now compared to years prior. Even "career-ending injuries" of the 80s and 90s have seen dramatic recoveries and players coming back to their previous form. Insinuating that someone is cheating without proof is such a low blow. Appreciate greatness!
I mean look at kd and curry in year 15. They are playing better than anyone at that age aside from lebron. Also kd had an achilles injury. But I'm not gonna say if anyone is on something or not because truth be told idk.
Shoot up like a horse. The Barry Bonds era in baseball is still incredible feats to behold and if everybody does it, then it just levels the playing field once more . Which pretty much was the case back then anyway. The world is going to shit dude. I just want to see greatness as long as possible. Don't take this away from us too calling it out. Steph Curry is our guy same thing, but it's inspiring. They still have to go out and execute to dominate.
@@And.One.Hoops1 I mean Brady was in mid 40s. I get it, most other sports don't require contact like basketball. But I was just saying that those athletes are exceeding longevity expectations in their own sports, and thus LeBron exceeding expectations in his own sport is not as surprising as if Michael Jordan was doing this in the 90s. Not trying to compare across different sports, just comparing how the athletes are performing within their own sport.
@@And.One.Hoops1 I mean, you're splitting hairs here. No one is saying Brady's job demanded the athleticism of an NBA player to thrive, but being a contending starting QB at that age used to be unheard of. What changed.. health science/technology and what an athlete has at their disposal as far as personal chefs, trainers, and recovery. Michael Jordan came back from being out of the league for THREE YEARS at 38 and was dropping 23 a night. Why would you think that wouldn't take a jump two decades later from someone who never retired? Gotta say, I love your channel but this video is creeping into clickbait territory and I hope that it isn't a preview of where your content is headed.
Again, it’s more the minutes and time played over the course of his career. Brady is incredible and is another story of longevity that defies science, but Brady isn’t putting in the amount of time on the field as Lebron is with 16 games per season compared to 82. I don’t think it’s splitting hairs at all. Sports medicine and advances in tech aside, this is unprecedented
Im not necessarily a Lebron fan. But i absolutely admire and respect what he's done for the game of Basketball. There is no denying his greatness. Whether youre a fan or not. BUT i think its a fair question to ask about how he's maintaining this level of performance... But i hesitate because i dont want to slight his efforts thus far... But bro, this man is still playing like he ain't at the end. Its hard for me the believe. But any man in every sport has Declined by this time... Not saying its impossible but i think its fair to take note and assess...
People act like "miles on the body" is some kind of a problem, but it's not. The real problem is stopping your training regimen and having to rebuild those muscles when you're older. Lebron maintains his body throughout the off-season so he doesn't have to push his body to get back into the game like Jordan had to through retirement or Kobe had to due to achilles injury. Lebron's been able to avoid any serious injuries through luck/strength/skill, which also means he can maintain his body at a high level all year long. His natural size and athleticism are also major factors in that he doesn't have to push his body as hard as Jordan and Kobe in order to keep performing. Jordan was putting up pretty big numbers at 39-40, it's just that he couldn't keep his knee healthy. That kind of break down will eventually happen to Lebron, as well, but maintaining his conditioning all year helps to prevent the kind of knee damage Jordan experienced from starting in the first place.
@@mrgartrellofficial I don't recall LeBrons conditioning in 2014, but he probably lost weight for the same reason Kobe did in his late career, to try and maintain endurance. Playing below the rim could have been any small injury that he was able to play through for a couple of weeks before returning to form.
@@slikedragon bro that DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE PERTAINING TO LEBRON...he lost that weight as soon as NBA mentioned a new drug testing policy...then went to Miami for two weeks and put muscle back on...so to prolong his career, WHY DID HE NOT KEEP THE WEIGHT OFF....what injury? THERE IS NO INJURY that you will lose athleticism then all the sudden return to form along with muscle gain within two weeks...NONE
@@mrgartrellofficial well I can't really argue with you since I don't recall the incident you're talking about. Is there any video or news articles from this time period you can link to?
Were there NBA players or any athletes out there who spends so much money on their body to be in shape, like millions of dollars? Given training is perfect, LBJ always say that his mindset is the main ingredient and driver on his performance at his age.
its not a secret TRT is basically the norm in sports now.We saw Durant doing last night what players would dream of doing in the past. Steph is slowing down if slowing down means falling to the maybe second best PG in the NBA. As Extreme as Lebron's case is and the credit he deserves because he does deserve it, you cant deny this is a trend. Lebron isnt an aberration he is the norm now.
Lmao! Playing at an elite level? He plays zero defense... he has 2 moves. Hes gonna steamroll to the basket for an uncontested layup or shoot uncontested 3s. He horrible from the free throw line, and wants nothing to do with crunch time moments. That is not elite.
Hell, without even speculating on PED usage, Lebron James longevity can be attributed to his not playing hard on both sides of the court, the league continually getting softer and easier, and the officiating becoming highly suspect. I have another question. How can someone who is supposed to be in such great shape be constantly acting like he’s dying when he gets “fouled”?
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As Impressive as this is what Brady was doing is more impressive, eventually someone will outdo both of em
Anyone else remember when he went down with an ankle injury in Miami that was supposed to keep him out for at least a month or 2, then he came back in 2 weeks looking 20 pounds heavier all muscle? LOL
Yup. That’s when I knew that mf was on something and it was not just vitamins
Exactly
What game was this? What was the diagnosis?
Stop playing. Everybody knows what's up. The league is covering up for him. Players around the league won't say anything because of how it will make them look. But they know more than anybody. But I don't get mainstream media. I remember when Barry Bonds was planning they had no problem publicly questioning him every day. Now they're afraid to say anything about James. If he is smart he will retire soon before he eventually gives himself away.
1. Had a growth removed from his jaw. 2. Name found on bio list wit r. Lewis etc. 3. Lost extreme weight when he went back to Cleveland then took time off to go to Miami and gained all his muscle back. 4. Gained 7lbs during a game.
I was hoping someone remembered this. He (and Carmelo Anthony) lost a LOT of weight in the 2014 offseason when Adam Silver took over as commissioner and mentioned drug testing becoming more prominent. Then he "had a little talk" with Adam Silver before bulking back up.
@FAlynn92 exactly its not a "conspiracy theory " he's still an all time great tho just not clean. Allegedly.
@@FAlynn92he didn’t just lose weight. He lost athleticism when he first went back to Cleveland.
@@PharaohsNews facts
@@ProlificD All time greats do not use/take PEDs.
He’s a vampire that drinks the blood of young talents. Why do you think he is playing better than a lot of the younger guys.
"Ben simmons"
You know hoop
he’s not tho
Can you do a video on speculations that Zach Lavine is potentially using PDD (Performance depriving drugs)?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
He ain't gonna do that to his team's most valuable trade asset😂
Klay Thompson needs that test as well
😂😂 Bro, that's outta line.
Lebron is an example of what we get with great genetics, work ethic, and peds.
😂
u wont go that long with peds, it has its after effect.
That fantastic work ethic really shows when you watch him on defense.
And load management and no defense.
@@kellenmoon3084 He didn't start doing them of course. I think since Miami or Cleveland 2nd stint!
Chael Sonnen, MMA guy called him about that years ago. That hairline memes yeeeaars ago were already suspicious enough and his jaw tumor also.
He has a chemist or Lazarus pit in his basement. There is no other explanation.
😂😂
LeBron has been a freak specimen since he was in highschool so It don't Surprise me how he is now . We haven't seen this .
Earlier this year LeBron‘s wife was being investigated for PED distribution. The story came out and disappeared fast.
Its physically impossible to sustain that kind of speed and explosiveness at LeBron's size and his age combined with insane amount of miles on his legs. The NBA doesn't test for those substances anymore, you haven't heard of any player being suspended in the past several years.
Hes slowed down alot for HIM...doesn't have as much bounce for HIM... This IS his slow down. Vet Lebron is Prime Amare Stoudemire lol
lol people seriously cant believe nor comprehend that he is still this good. its hilarious
LeBron doesn't jump as high or dunk the ball nearly as much as he use to in his career. His athleticism has definitely declined throughout his career, he just improved other aspects of his game so that he can still play at a high level without relying on his physical gifts as much. The thing he does the best is exploit mismatches. He will always be faster and more coordinated than centers and tall defenders, so he can drive by them and get to the basket, because they need to respect his jumpshot (which he has perfected throughout his career, contrary to folks like Zion and Ben Simmons who had similar, if not more athletic gifts). When smaller defenders are on him he just uses his strength and bullys his way and either shoots a turnaround mid range or drop steps for a layup
@@dominicharris5489he is not genetically special…in 2014 season when he came back to Cleveland and lost that weight, he LOST athletic abilities until he went on that “two week” sabbatical to Miami…if he was truly Genetically different, he would’ve maintained and became even faster and jump higher when he lost that weight…WE CAN ALL GO LOOK AT THE TAPE, and at beginning of that 2014, he was not playing above the rim and chasing down guys for blocks…but somehow he is supposed to be natural jumping over guys and chasing down 20 year olds for blocks…NO HE IS NOT NATURAL
@@mrgartrellofficial lmao
The problem with comparing LeBron to other NBA players at his age is that those players weren't putting the resources into their body that LeBron was
That, on top of him already being a freak of nature genetically to start with
@@euro51116exactly. He’s a 1 of 1 and quite literally a once in a generation athlete
He’s made a worth while investment
AKA PED’S LOL
And LeBron is?! Lmao. He's not even 40 and is going bald. He has blemishes on his face. Those are indications of bad health to an extent. You only don't need to spend millions to stay in great health for the long run...not even in sports. Lol. That spending millions per year for his health is b.s.
You ignore Kareem at age 38 , (same as LeBron now,) won his second Finals MVP in 1985 when he became the oldest to win the award at 38 years and 54 days old. After that, Kareem went on to win the NBA championship at age 40 in 1987 and again at age 41 in 1988 Lebron won his last finals mvp at age 36 and none since. Looks like Lebron has his work cut out for him to be as relevant as Kareem in his late 30's and 40's.
once he hit 39/40 he wasnt that good anymore tho, lebron gon still put up all star numbers
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because "All-Star numbers" TODAY is very much inflated
due to NBA favoring offense than defense
it's not even up for debatel
@@littyagain9402
Kareem was an all star when he was age 39/40/41. He is the oldest all star ever at age 41. He won the NBA championship at age 38/40/41. He averaged the most points per game of any 41 year old player ever. Lebron has not done any of these things. Kareem is still the gold standard .
Dope I didn't know all that
@@randypage26 Kareem was the FINALS MVP @ 38 years old
The leagues wouldnt test him if they caught him with a syringe in his thigh. He could choke Rudy and get away with it.
He can do whatever he wants. He’s carried this league on his back for over a decade.
During his stint in Mia he was also suspected since back then.
Chael Sonnen said he knows his drug guy, LeBron neither denied it nor went after him for those claims.
I've seen him during halftime drop a pill he takes but that could be anything not necessarily bad.
@Ash_things38crazy how getting a break can help you reset mentally and physically lmao. He’s a freak man it’s crazy
@Ash_things38 I don't think that you really understand what you're implying. There are no magical drugs that you can take doses of for 1-3 weeks and come back able to run faster, jump higher, and shoot a ball more accurately.
There's zero chance he was taking any type of banned substance during a game on TV. That would be mind-bogglingly stupid, and I'm pretty sure PEDs don't work that way anyway - they aren't a pill you can take for a quick strenghpth boost in the middle of strenuous activity.
FACTS!! I remember this. They put out that fire real fast too.
"Performance pill at halftime" Good thing he isn't using magnets to jump higher.
I would dispute that LeBron is playing at an “elite level”. He hasn’t played all 82 games for years. By the end of the season he rests a lot and sometimes doesn’t even make it back on defense. LeBron is playing 60 games a season. 😂😂😂
Dude don't play hardly any defense standing around watching
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@@sultanmuhqueed8712💯
He basically only playing offense while the rest of the league gotta play both sides.
Literally Got 5 Steals Yesterday
Come on Kareem averaged 23ppg when he's 38. With modern training and medicine it's not exactly impossible that Lebron can do that. Also he hasn't played more than 60 games in quite a few years and coasts on defense
Not the same play style at all, Kareem's play didn't consistent on running and dunking the ball on fast breaks.
LeBron definitely used them when he had that "injury" before the Lakers started wining without him while he was on "rehab". He did them too in Miami (biogenesis scandal) and back in 2015 when playing for the Cavs he went for more because his numbers/athleticism were not looking good.
No one is talking about roid abuse, but completely denying that it happened/happens from time to time is delusional at this point
If Lebron lost a lot of speed and was scoring via post moves that’s one thing but he’s still running like a gazel and soaring in the air like an eagle this isn’t natural at all
@@ozzee5094 He's for sure lost explosiveness. He doesn't get as high as he used to. When is the last time his head has been at the rim? He has gotten his eyes above the rim in game before. I'd estimate he has lost 6-8 inches at least.
hyperbaric oxygen is really effective. he probably uses frequencies too. plus what ped can make you play basketball good? what ped can make you halt aging effect?
Epos and HGH
@@ollytropics1735 then why has no other player done it?
@@ollytropics1735and why was lebron cleared by the feds, and dea? Who each have an over 90 percent conviction rate.
@@sportstalkonly1442because the NBA is an entertainment company and not governed by any sports commission.
Same reason WWF had to change its name to WWE.
@@francisdayon so the dea who convicted other athletes across multiple sports covered for lebron james is what you're telling me? I have no problem with the insinuation that lebron could be on something because idk how he is playing this good for this long. The problem is when u say he is for sure on something without any proof. He passes all his tests and was cleared by the dea who has a 90 percent conviction rate. I don't think u understand how significant that is. Either way it's about proof. Not hearsay. If he was cleared by the same dea that convicted dozens of baseball players and a DEA agent kevin stanfill who had 2 decades of experience in the field the question would be why would he be the only one that was cleared?
I do agree it can be suspicious at times lebrons physical capabilities at age 38 it’s not unheard of, Eliud Kipchoge became the first human ever to run a sub 2 hour marathon at age 35, while it wasn’t an official marathon attempt it’s still ridiculously impressive and broke the marathon world record in 2022 at age 37
Long distance runners just breakdown slower because it's an low impact sport but NBA players have high impact on their joints.
Any other examples?
also no NBA player (afaik) spends as much money as bron does on his health, physical and mental. he does a range of unorthodox physical treatments iirc. could contribute to longevity but no data available.
@@enginerunsableGeorge Foreman idk
LeBron isn't a light man. His knees should have started giving out from all the running and jumping. And you tell me this one man genes is better than every other athlete out there. You do know Lance Amrstrong performed in his later years.............uh wait he was on PEDs!!!! Non detectable ones. Something a million a year can pay for!
To be fair if you only use videos of Lebron's defense during this season to what he was doing during his stint with Miami people would be asking "how did he get so old so fast!?"
Remember when everyone thought Lance Armstrong was some freak of nature, and then his PED use was uncovered? Same thing is going to happen to Lebron.
Except lebron has passed all his test and was cleared by the dea of ped use.
@@sportstalkonly1442 "Stanfill, the former DEA investigator, said that because of the duo’s connection, the DEA examined whether Alexander’s actions had any connection to James and determined that they did not." That's not the same thing as being cleared by the DEA of PED use.
@@dr.wongburger2947 he was the lead investigator slow one. He lead the case against the biogenesis ledger hence why he is the one that said LeBron was cleared of any wrongdoing. How else would he know unless he was on the case?
@@dr.wongburger2947 plus they have a 90 percent conviction rate. If he was cleared that means they investigated him and didn't find anything. Hence he was cleared by the DEA.
@@sportstalkonly1442 Cleared of any wrongdoing IN CONNECTION TO THAT PARTICULAR CASE. The goddamn DEA isn't saying that they have proven that Lebron has been clean his entire career. So for you to argue that this particular case proves that is dumb AF.
Le Flop is a scar on the league.
By load managememt, peds and allowing le flop to get away with offensive fouls but can't be touch by defenders.
Good piece! It's so amazing how most ex basketball players his age suffer from hip, knee, and foot problems from all of the jumping and cutting but LeBron walks normally after 20 yrs of playing high-level ball from Oct-June. This dude is on something. Blood transfusions, masked PEDs something. At this pace, he'll be still playing in the NBA when his draft class of 2003 becomes grandparents and great-grandparents.
LeBron walks like a penguin. You would know that if you were a fan of his.
His disciplined work ethic could render him strong & healthy
@@lit101-gamesandgoodvibes3he walks like a duck. Zion walks like a penguin lol
We only have the entire history of sports to compare! In the history of sport as we know them. The only times a person has gotten bigger! Faster and Stronger over the age of 35! Enhancements were involved...and ladies and gentlemen we call that cheating! Barry Bond and Roger Clemons are not in their HOF for bigger, faster and stronger late in life!
Wilt chamberlain was a world class volleyball player at 50 and still getting offers to play in an nba roster
I guess you gotta do one of these every year now.
Lol pretty much
I think its mixture of him being an super elite athlete, the league being the softest and least physical its ever been , him never really playing much in the post , him playing little t no defense over the last 6 or 7 years , not playing in college ... and PED's
Sure lets say its not as physical than the old era, but its much more demanding amd taxing in todays game. Offenses are much more complex and fast nowadays as the 3 point line is in more use.
@@MHScald ITs way less physically demanding and taxing nowadays ... offenses are less complex ( espcaillsy Brons offense... which for his careee has been "Bron has the ball in his hand 85% of the time and pretty much everyone else stands at the 3 point line )... and taking 3's are the least taxing thing a player can do ... which is why you can tell when a player is sometimes getting tired as they will take more 3's the usual ..... and Bron will defiantly take lots of plays off when on the court ... like you will see him just stand or walk down the court while his teammates are running ... also he load manages a lot .., as do most other players .... as few star player today play anywhere close to 82 games
@@MHScaldmuch more demanding? Fast? If you actually watch Bron play and don't only watch highlights you will be shocked how many times he just stands there and pretty much doesn't impact the plays whatsoever, his off ball game is really nonexistant and even when he makes turnovers (which he's leading the league in) he very rarely makes up for it on the defensive end...
@@Goodguy1ful You clearly are just an ignorant casual and dont know basketball. Please stop talking about basketball, it is pathetic
@@uwin23 so youre focusing on bron who is 39 years old? Watch steph or halburton. You really cherry picked one of the slowest player in the game
Chael Sonnen seems to know whats going on
Chal Sonnen also claimed that LeBron hit on his wife, which is completely absurd. I don't know what his deal is.
Bron don't play 34mins a game dude just be standing around not playing defense waiting for an easy lay up
I also find it odd that this isn't talked about too much. Money gives him more scope than others in this regard.
I'm a cycling fan, and when I hear the "1.5 million dollars per year on his body" line trotted out, it makes me think of cyclists talking about "marginal gains" etc. to explain away their superior performances. I mean, how much can a good diets, workout regimens or even cryotherapy chambers really do to fight against Father Time?
My best guess is that Lebron uses products that are borderline, and thus NOT illegal. Not a bodybuilder's trenbologna sandwich, but rather low level testosterone and salbutamol on some kind of therapeutic use exemption, or maybe more experimental things like bovine colostrum (very speculative I'll admit!). Money can help you to bend the rules, if not break them.
@Bellerophon17 It does get talked about outside of mainstream media. Mainstream media will only cover it if there is indisputable evidence released. As for other athletes, they probably think complaining is pointless.
Its been talked about every year for the past 10 years....lol
the whole $1.5 million he spends on his body annually isn't just about squeezing out tiny advantages. We're talking about a whole ecosystem of professional health and fitness support here. This includes expert trainers, physios, nutritionists, and some of the best recovery tech out there. It's a lot more comprehensive than just hitting the gym or eating right.
Also, I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare basketball with cycling. Sure, both are sports, but they're worlds apart in terms of physical demands and, let's be honest, their histories with PEDs.
And about the speculation on LeBron using 'borderline' products - it's a slippery slope to go down without concrete evidence. It's one thing to be skeptical; it's another to make assumptions. LeBron, like any athlete, is subject to regular drug testing, and without any actual proof, it's just speculation.
I believe it's fair to give credit to LeBron for his discipline and commitment to his health and fitness. I mean, combating Father Time isn't just about magic pills or secret formulas - it's about dedication, hard work, and making the most of the resources you have, and he has endless.
@@IVslam Totally, I think Lebron is amazing. I do think it's fair to ask questions where someone is doing something extraordinary though.
@@Bellerophon17 For sure, it's totally normal to wonder about LeBron's insane skills, especially at 38. It's like, how does he even do it right But besides the whole PED thing, we've got to remember there's a bunch of high-tech training and serious dedication behind his performance. It's cool to ask questions, keeps things real. it's a big part of being a sports fan getting into all the hows and whys of our favorite athletes, especially with all the advancements in sports science these days.
i think the problem with players that pushed 40s is that their work ethic isn't the same they kno they're close to the end so instead of going harder they slow down but bron doing the complete opposite
You literally can't go harder. That's the whole point of aging. Your body can't do now what it could do then. It's a biological inevitability
Bron tryna play until he 50
And also, PED’s lol
Sports sciene has never been this good. My guess is alot of peds and stem cell treatments
But still loss 6 nba finals and continues to lose . Aint do anything but get swept and miss the playoffs since that bubble ring .Not hating that is a fact
Not a big LeBron fan but if there are any set of drugs that can help you stay healthy, energized and injury free, that drug is called "extreme self discipline".
Hes on the gear
lebron had been in the league my entire life. two year before i was born in fact. i’m an adult😂
There is no doubt in the majority of NBA fans knows this man is on something seeing how long he's been playing. Lebron's been taking an executive break on the court since 2013. When's the last time he's played a full 82 game season? He's purposely doing what he's doing to preserve his body. Whereas Mike, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson truly gave everything until their bodies gave out. Those are true NBA goats, not LeFraud the NBA float!
"LeFraud the NBA Float" I don't know why but I find these words cute HAHAHA... Imma use it sometimes HAHA...
well ... some dudes think if they cant dunk and cant make athletic moves .. that they are done. bron just develops what is essential to play basketball and making it work.
People act like you turn 35 and your body turns to glass. What the issue really is is that traditionally guys just started resting on their laurels and would skip workouts because they'd paid their dues. Now, the guys who are really dedicated, like James and Curry, keep up with all the conditioning that most guys don't. It's going to be difficult to keep top-end speed into your late 30s but most of the game doesn't depend on that. You can keep the vast majority of your endurance and skill until well into your 40s if you work at it.
No no no. It must be a special cocktail of PEDs that only lebron has access to 😂
In any sport if you were averaging same at 40 as you were in your prime you would be under investigation. Imagine Usain Bolt running 9.6 in the 100 at 40 that would be instant investigation.
Well Lebron has always kept himself in really good shape even though I'm not a big fan of his I give him credit for doing well at his age but yeah this is starting to get suspicious
You think the league is morally above covering up Lebron's potential PED use? They literally just covered up Giddey's child molestation and allow him to keep playing while hes being criminally investigated like nothing is happening😂
U are a clown haven't you heard of age of consent? 😂😂😂
That part
Comparing him to Roger Clemens doesn't exactly clear him of PED use.
Jordan retired from the wizards at 40... and Jordan is the oldest player ever to score 50 in a game... we'll see what LeBron does at that age
He's obviously using PED and we shouldn't have any problems with it since almost everyone in the nba are using it. It's a fair game. Even Derrick Rose admitted that steriods was a problem in the nba back in early 2010s but he was forced to take back his words.
Exactly I think even a player like steph curry is on epo which gives you crazy endurance curry is 35 and doesn’t get tired makes no sense. But Bron I don’t know what he’s on he must have a team of scientists working in a super lab 🧪 this is getting out of hand I think he’s on an anti aging serum
To answer the question of the video title. LeDrugs 🤣🤣
Here i am thinking bron ped era was the miami years. But now its this. Man the longevity and resilience is incredible
Lebron is 39 running faster than elite athletes at age 20 it’s insane
stem cells, hgh, epo, and peptides. My guy's on all of them with the compounded knowledge. yes it doesnt take away from his athleticism and talent, but it sure as hell lets him retain it
Di you know how far sports medicine has advanced since the 2000? And the game itself has changed so drastically that it's more plausible to last this long vs 1990-2010. Kevin Durant suffered what would be a career ending injury (Ditto Paul George). Curry's type of ankles derailed Grant Hill's prime because the treatment available to Steph wasn't available to Grant. The only anomaly I can think of from those earlier eras was Terrell Owens in football. The amount of training and the advances in training/medical science in 40 years, as well as the amount of advancement should be taken into account, along with luck (LeBron seems to have that).
Bigger and stronger in one's mid-thirties is indeed possible due to advances in medical science, most especially including PEDs.
5:58 Where are the studies linked in the description?
Are these articles empirical, peer reviewed, moreover, what year were they published?
The older players put a lot more stress on their bodies, having to play both ends of the floor at a high level. Okay to compsre players from different eras, but then you must also compare the game. Dont discount the constant hits and bumps the jordans and birds of the era took in the paint.
I challenge you to go back and watch one of those old NBA games, even the playoff games.
The pace was slow and there was much less impact overall because people were much less athletic.
I'm not being a hater or anything, literally go watch the games and you will be surprised that they might not match your memory of them.
Compared to old man LeBron Jordan was playing 1-on-5 in Washington.
Imagine if old man Jordan was playing for a decent team.
Phil Jacksom wanted him to join him on the Lakers making a big 3 of Shaq, Kobe and Jordan.
Have you watched a modern NBA game? Because if you have, it's obvious why he's been around for so long. Here are the bullet points:
- physical play is literally banned. It's easier on the body
- all the long distance chucking means you're basically running from one three point line to the other on most plays, cutting down the total distance covered (unless you're Steph Curry)
- there's so much stoppage in play nowadays, not just from mandatory tv timeouts, but also for all the referee discussions and asides that seem to happen every 3 minutes.
Overall, if you watch an NBA game on league pass with no commentary, you'll see how much downtime there actually is, and it's AOT
Thank you for raising this topic. Lebron James got noticeably bigger and stronger in his mid-30s. That is UNNATURAL. It is exactly what we saw happen with Barry Bonds, whose physique changed, and he went on a home run hitting rampage at about the same age. Also, few people remember that when Lebron left Miami and returned to Cleveland in 2014, he showed up for training camp having lost a great deal of weight and appearing much thinner. He was also a very different player on the court than he had been in Miami the prior season. He had lost speed, strength, elevation and overall athleticism. Numerous observers commented on those things at the time. That is when Lebron took a mid-season "vacation" from basketball. It is known that he returned to Miami, and when he finally rejoined the Cavaliers (I cannot recall how long he had been away), he looked much more like his old self. This raised questions in the minds of many about what happened down in Miami. We may never know, but I cannot shake the suspicions that James has been using PEDs for several years and possibly longer. Would the NBA sweep it under the rug? Well, they may have chosen to do so at the very beginning, which thereafter bound them to maintain the coverup.
Where is the video of the bricks, airballs, and turnovers?
Proper load management 😂
It hurts his legacy when u compare him to all time greats, but idk if it hurts him in the context of this era since I’m pretty sure everyone or most elite players are taking PED’s. It would make sense for the league to allow it because it allows the game to b more entertaining and for high level talent to stay out on the floor. They’re not fighting each other they’re putting a ball through a hoop. But I think he gave himeself away when he talked about how his doctor said his foot healed faster than anyone he had ever seen. EPO, peptides, and HGH will do that
It’s about damn time we have this conversation…
Today's league make it easier for a player like Lebron once he's still in great shape. His stats looks the same when he was in his absolute peak prime and this is clearly because how the league has changed since around the mid 10's. Still was he's doing is impressive, especially because this year he's looking like the better version of himself since the 2020 bubble. Now how suspicious is impossibile to say but throughout his career there has been other moments where he looked off and then after some break he came back like a totally different player, also the speed on which his body react and recover after injuries is incredibile too. For sure he's a freak of nature and invested a lot on his shape but clearly some suspicious come to mind.
Bro said refs riggin games is a conspiracy from 2000s
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If we’re going to talk about Jordan taking significant time off can we please acknowledge Lebron has played only 2/3rds of a season (on avg) ever since he turned 33? And that he has missed more games since he’s been on the Lakers than Kareem missed in his entire 20yr career? I’m not saying that what Lebron is doing isn’t impressive, but I’m growing extremely tired of people acting like it’s unprecedented. MJ’s body actually was breaking down on the Wizards but when he wasn’t trying to play through cracked ribs and partially torn ligaments in his knee I.e. from game 12-game47 of the ‘01-‘02 season he was he was putting up similar numbers but without all the turnovers, missed free throws, and cherry picked baskets from lazy defense/hustle. All I am saying is we’re still only 1/4th into a long season, let’s at least wait till we’re in the last 1/4th of the season b4 we all start giving Lebron hand jobs for something that “we’ve never seen before,” especially since we’ve seen it before
MJ was still elite at 40 plus after 4 years of retirement these are the goats of the sport
LeHaters be desperate.
I love Lebron
Remember Lance Armstrong? LeFRAUD is next.
Lebron does it by barely playing Defense in a soft league that barely plays Defense. And the many times he doesn't cross half court. Lebron is a stat junkie.
He still drives the ball at a high rate and he can shoot the threes good and that's just him but where he excels is he don't get tired and that what makes him unstoppable. By him not getting tired causes concerns about him using PEDS.
He must just stand around with hands on hips all the time for fun then
😂😂😂😂😂
Sorry shoots 3s good..😂😂😂😂😂😂
He drives the basket. Good coz A he takes 4 5 6 steps and B the other team waves him thru.
Someone should study this, because it is not just happening to LeBron or in the NBA (e.g. Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, etc.).
Other examples are Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Tom Brady, Roger Federer, and Rafael Nadal.
Good point.
The decline in all the players you mentioned is massive if you are actually familiar with them...LeBron is in a league of his own and it's very suspicious
the only time i heard about testing in PED when Danny Green got an alley op dunk or a miss shot dunk.
I am the opposite of you in my reasoning, the fact that he has played sooooo long is what kills him, he still is not as decorated as Mike who played significantly fewer seasons at this point
My criteria is very extensive for the NBA GOAT, and much more stringent than most, that criteria is as follows,
*Required to be in GOAT conversation:(15 boxes to check)
•10+ Playoff Appearances
•4+ Conference Finals Appearances
•3+ NBA Finals Appearances
•2+ Championships
•2+ Finals MVP
•1+ Regular Season MVP
•10+ All NBA Teams(1st,2nd,3rd)
•Make an All-Rookie Team(1st,2nd)
•12+ All Star Appearances
•10+ Additional Awards on top of all that
•Have to be the star player(1A at worst)
•Have to hold an NBA record
•Top 25 All Time in Playoff Win Shares
•First ballot HOF(or future)
•Check 60%+ of total boxes(50, 35 to go)
Those 15 alone cut you down to 10 players ever that can check all of those boxes, 2 more that can check every box but Finals MVP and All-Rookie Team... because they didn't exist yet or early enough, but hit everything else, you should be able to guess who those 2 are lol, they are the only 2 who can say that, those 12 players set themselves apart from the rest, next category is stuff that most of those 12 check, but not all of them on anything, some are increased requirements from stuff already in there to knit pick between them,
*Commonalities:(15 boxes)
•Win ROY(9/12)
•Make an All Defensive Team(10/12)
•Win an All Star Game MVP(10/12)
•Make more than 5 All NBA 1st Teams(10/12)
•Win back to back NBA MVP(9/12)
•Back to back Championships(9/12)
•3+ Championships(9/12)
•Have a .500+ Record in the Finals(10/12)
•Average a Career Double-Double(8/12)
•Be Top 25 in Total Win Shares(11/12)
•Be Top 25 in Points(9/12)
•Be Top 25 in PPG(8/12)
•Be Top 25 in Playoff Points(11/12)
•Be Top 25 in PER(10/12)
•Be Top 25 in Box Plus/Minus(8/12)
Last category is stuff no more than half of those 12 players have, and in all but 3 cases, it is 45% or less, to really knit pick, we get full blown on the increased requirements, heavier focus on defense, last of the list,
*Rarities:(20 boxes)
•Top 25 in RPG(6/12)
•Top 25 in APG(2/12)
•Top 25 in SPG(2/10)
•Top 25 in BPG(5/12)
•Top 25 in MPG(5/12)
•Top 25 in Playoff PPG(5/12)
•Top 25 in Defensive Box Plus/Minus(3/10)
•50-40-90 Season(2/12)
•Threepeat NBA MVP(3/12)
•5+ NBA MVP(3/12)
•Threepeat Championships(4/12)
•5+ Championships(6/12)
•Win DPOY(2/10)
•Win multiple scoring titles(5/12)
•Win a rebounds title(4/12)
•Win an assists title(3/12)
•Win a steals or blocks title(4/10)
•Make more than 5 All Defensive 1st Teams(3/11)
•Win multiple All Star Game MVP(6/12)
•Win a Slam Dunk or 3 Point contest(3/12)
😅 if you're still reading congrats, and thanks lol, here are the 12 players that meet all requirements available to them and where they rank in terms of percentage of possible boxes checked ✅️ in ascending order:
12)Hakeem Olajuwon(30/50; 60%)
T-10)Kevin Durant(31/50; 62%)
T-10)Larry Bird(31/50; 62%)
T-8)Kobe Bryant(32/50; 64%)
T-8)Magic Johnson(32/50; 64%)
T-6)LeBron James(33/50; 66%)
T-6)Tim Duncan(33/50; 66%)
T-4)Shaquille O'Neal(35/50; 70%)
T-4)Bill Russell(28/40; 70%)
3)Kareem Abdul-Jabbar(36/50; 72%)
2)Wilt Chamberlain(30/41; 73%)
1)Michael Jordan(42/50; 84%)
As expected... MJ is the GOAT, not expected, the gap between him and number 2... is the biggest gap on the list, he is on a level all his own, and it gets more obvious the longer you look 🤷♂️💯
I'm a huge LeBron fan, I've watched him courtside twice.
People don't seem to remember that at around 38 years old, Michael Jordan was averaging 25 points per game before his injury. His numbers dropped to 21 points per game when he was playing on a torn tendon in his knee.
So we're not quite to the point where what he's doing is impossible..
LeBron takes care of his body, he's been talking about it since day one. If he gets to like 42 and he's still doing these things then I'll be suspicious.
Also, if he's on something, don't you think many of the other players are on something as well?
Stockton is longevity, Lebron is load management
Facts.
A year is a year
As somebody who recently hit 40, Lebron is such an inspiration. Crazy work ethic.
It's amazing what good genetics and peds can achieve
Easy Lebron is a alien.
10 years ago i predicted bron would have a long ass career projecting his performance and style and comparing it to other long NBA careers. Lot of people said he would not get that points record but i argued he would a long time ago. I am no huge bron fan but i can see what is clear
Even though there's plenty of talent in the NBA, there's none that has the capacity to carry the entire league like LeBron or MJ before him, and Kareem before him.
So they have to keep him going. That's my theory anyways. They did the same thing to Mohammed Ali.
Knew about the condition, made him fight anyway to keep boxing afloat.
LeBron isn't carrying the NBA. lmao
@@taharqa332 Not in terms of the sport. In terms of media talk and merchandise and ticket sales.. something below surface like that I think.
Legroin is the most overrated B-Ball player of all time. He's a ball hogging cry baby who basically muscles his way around the court. The game will be so much better when he's gone.
He hasn’t suffered major injuries. His game is way slower and smarter now vs when he was young. An injury could change everything though
Elite traveller.
Elite carrier.
Elite shooter from 3feet.
Elite charger without being called for it.
Elite at shoving his forearm into his defenders throat without being called on it.
Elite at getting phantom foul calls.
Elite flopper.
Elite ref whinger.
Gets free runs to the basket as the defence is not willing to get a tech foul for breathing on him.
Yeah hes elite alright.
And hes known to be associated with a doping company.
Elite.
Youre kidding right?
Btw.
Don bradman was elite well into his 40s. And probably could have continued until 50 he was that much better.
People act like 38 is too damn old. With the advancements in science and technology over the years, players will last longer and recover better now compared to years prior. Even "career-ending injuries" of the 80s and 90s have seen dramatic recoveries and players coming back to their previous form. Insinuating that someone is cheating without proof is such a low blow. Appreciate greatness!
I mean look at kd and curry in year 15. They are playing better than anyone at that age aside from lebron. Also kd had an achilles injury. But I'm not gonna say if anyone is on something or not because truth be told idk.
Bellerophon17 post is spot on.
It's the new hair plugs!
Shoot up like a horse. The Barry Bonds era in baseball is still incredible feats to behold and if everybody does it, then it just levels the playing field once more . Which pretty much was the case back then anyway. The world is going to shit dude. I just want to see greatness as long as possible. Don't take this away from us too calling it out. Steph Curry is our guy same thing, but it's inspiring. They still have to go out and execute to dominate.
My black friend use to say,
"Black don't crack unless you smoke em."
That's why LeBron James is not human
With athletes in other sports exceeding longevity expectations (Brady, Messi, For example), Lebron's longevity is less surprising.
Neither of those guys are doing what Lebron is doing
@@And.One.Hoops1 I mean Brady was in mid 40s. I get it, most other sports don't require contact like basketball. But I was just saying that those athletes are exceeding longevity expectations in their own sports, and thus LeBron exceeding expectations in his own sport is not as surprising as if Michael Jordan was doing this in the 90s. Not trying to compare across different sports, just comparing how the athletes are performing within their own sport.
@@And.One.Hoops1 I mean, you're splitting hairs here. No one is saying Brady's job demanded the athleticism of an NBA player to thrive, but being a contending starting QB at that age used to be unheard of. What changed.. health science/technology and what an athlete has at their disposal as far as personal chefs, trainers, and recovery. Michael Jordan came back from being out of the league for THREE YEARS at 38 and was dropping 23 a night. Why would you think that wouldn't take a jump two decades later from someone who never retired? Gotta say, I love your channel but this video is creeping into clickbait territory and I hope that it isn't a preview of where your content is headed.
messi and ronaldo yes. they've been playing professionally since they were in the 16-17 range and are still playing at like 36 and 38@@And.One.Hoops1
Again, it’s more the minutes and time played over the course of his career. Brady is incredible and is another story of longevity that defies science, but Brady isn’t putting in the amount of time on the field as Lebron is with 16 games per season compared to 82. I don’t think it’s splitting hairs at all. Sports medicine and advances in tech aside, this is unprecedented
He also lands carefully usually
Silver and the NBA are in on it. That's why he wasn't tested in the Olympics. Wink-Wink.
Im not necessarily a Lebron fan. But i absolutely admire and respect what he's done for the game of Basketball. There is no denying his greatness. Whether youre a fan or not. BUT i think its a fair question to ask about how he's maintaining this level of performance... But i hesitate because i dont want to slight his efforts thus far... But bro, this man is still playing like he ain't at the end. Its hard for me the believe. But any man in every sport has Declined by this time... Not saying its impossible but i think its fair to take note and assess...
He has declined
Someone had to post this 😅😂
He's a cyborg.
People act like "miles on the body" is some kind of a problem, but it's not. The real problem is stopping your training regimen and having to rebuild those muscles when you're older. Lebron maintains his body throughout the off-season so he doesn't have to push his body to get back into the game like Jordan had to through retirement or Kobe had to due to achilles injury. Lebron's been able to avoid any serious injuries through luck/strength/skill, which also means he can maintain his body at a high level all year long.
His natural size and athleticism are also major factors in that he doesn't have to push his body as hard as Jordan and Kobe in order to keep performing. Jordan was putting up pretty big numbers at 39-40, it's just that he couldn't keep his knee healthy. That kind of break down will eventually happen to Lebron, as well, but maintaining his conditioning all year helps to prevent the kind of knee damage Jordan experienced from starting in the first place.
Explain him losing weight and losing athleticism way back in 2014 return back to Cleveland…he was not playing above the rim at beginning of the season
@@mrgartrellofficial I don't recall LeBrons conditioning in 2014, but he probably lost weight for the same reason Kobe did in his late career, to try and maintain endurance. Playing below the rim could have been any small injury that he was able to play through for a couple of weeks before returning to form.
@@slikedragon bro that DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE PERTAINING TO LEBRON...he lost that weight as soon as NBA mentioned a new drug testing policy...then went to Miami for two weeks and put muscle back on...so to prolong his career, WHY DID HE NOT KEEP THE WEIGHT OFF....what injury? THERE IS NO INJURY that you will lose athleticism then all the sudden return to form along with muscle gain within two weeks...NONE
@@mrgartrellofficial well I can't really argue with you since I don't recall the incident you're talking about. Is there any video or news articles from this time period you can link to?
Would be crazy but definitely a hater theory lol
He not on PEDs he on that VOODOO ☠️😂
His off-season stack is well known he goes overseas to Germany and gets the highest quality HGH
Were there NBA players or any athletes out there who spends so much money on their body to be in shape, like millions of dollars? Given training is perfect, LBJ always say that his mindset is the main ingredient and driver on his performance at his age.
Kareem also played 4 Years in college.But they were still winning championship s
its not a secret TRT is basically the norm in sports now.We saw Durant doing last night what players would dream of doing in the past. Steph is slowing down if slowing down means falling to the maybe second best PG in the NBA. As Extreme as Lebron's case is and the credit he deserves because he does deserve it, you cant deny this is a trend. Lebron isnt an aberration he is the norm now.
Lmao! Playing at an elite level? He plays zero defense... he has 2 moves. Hes gonna steamroll to the basket for an uncontested layup or shoot uncontested 3s. He horrible from the free throw line, and wants nothing to do with crunch time moments. That is not elite.
Exactly...
How many years has it been since he played a full season?
Nba Players aren’t tested when they are ‘injured’
Hell, without even speculating on PED usage, Lebron James longevity can be attributed to his not playing hard on both sides of the court, the league continually getting softer and easier, and the officiating becoming highly suspect. I have another question. How can someone who is supposed to be in such great shape be constantly acting like he’s dying when he gets “fouled”?