Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO LeBron james has won 10 conference championships Michael Jordan won 6......Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have more conference championships (In a mostly nine team league) than LeBron James In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 lebron played weaker opponents, and stayed in the east specifically to have an easy road to the finals. But once he got to the finals and had to play better opponents, he failed more often than he won. Lebronda can dunk and flop, thats about it. Oh and fallate himself, he does that more than any other player as well
If you think Michael Jordan is the greatest , usually you bring up his accolades , his peak performances , his iconic moments , his basketball skill, and his impact to turn a losing franchise like the pre 1984 Chicago Bulls into one of the most noticeable sports brands in sports history because of winning. When people usually say Lebron is the GOAT , they have to attempt to tear down Michael Jordan’s era , talk about his teammates , talk about his opponents , talk about immeasurable things like “playing in the social media era” The comparison is never head to head from a Lebron Jame’s fan perspective. Head to head Michael Jordan won more , accomplished more , and dominated his era better - and he did it in less time. Logically it’s hard to say Lebron is better.
Exactly this, LBJ fans/media always have to downplay what MJ did to get people into thinking what he did was not impressive. Then they use false narratives like “he didn’t win until Pippen came”, “was just a scorer”...use hypotheticals like “MJ would never take the 07 Cavs to the finals”, “”MJ would never beat the the GSW” etc Then on the other side they prop up everything LBJ does as if he did some “unthinkable” task that no one else can do. They never give an actual argument.
100% correct and you already know you're going to get a ton of Lebron fans coming in to hate on your comment. You've stated nothing but the facts, Lebron fans debate with hypothetical's and emotions, which in their world trumps facts everyday.
"The toughest critic MJ had was Peter Vescey." Mike was accused of being RESPONSIBLE for his dad's death. Imagine mourning the loss of the person you love most in life, and then being blamed publicly for his murder. Stop and imagine that. Then consider that Lebron puts up with "Twitter beefs." ffs
Dude when Kobe was dealing with the Colorado thing he was flying back to LA to play on the same day and the Lakers won those games. Dealing with the possibility of your freedom as a citizen being taken away on top of all the other stress and controversy… It’s another reason why I laughed when LeBron said he was the villain of the NBA during his first year in Miami and he wore the black headband and all. So ridiculous
Yeah Jordan heard that 24 hours and got threats and praise his kids won't make it and threaten daily and he got some people that sell they soul for him not make it yeah Jordan went threw the worse u def right Jordan went threw the worse everyday like its a job people wake up with hate for Jordan on they mind u right I can imagine
I ALWAYS bring this up. If anyone even dared to blame LeBron for his family member's death, there'd be operas written, songs sung, and basketball bibles written by his stans to suggest that LeBron is like Jesus Christ incarnate, what with all the sacrificing and unjust attacks he just underwent. But when it's Jordan? Oh, yeah, it's just Peter Vescey, cause we forgot about that other stuff.
“If Jordans antlers are gold then Lebrons antlers is platinum” If a man doesn’t understand that goats have horns and not antlers, you probably don’t need to hear anything else.
Rich Paul is bought. He is THE LeBron James Yes Man. The one who blows sunshine at LeBron James to make him feel good. As for these men, it's like their starstruck!
Rich Paul unknowingly made an argument for Jordan. If it's hard to get to the finals, it's even harder to win it. Even harder to 3peat. Jordan did it twice.
Kobe wasn’t playing during the social media era? Kobe was criticized far more than Lebron was. That didn’t stop him from being an assassin. What Rich is basically saying Lebron is weak minded because he’s concerned with what people say.
People down play Kobe because he first was the next Mike but Mike was still playing so he had to wait his time, then when he started becoming that guy 2003ish then the rape case happens, hurt his image, then the dry snitching really did it for him because everyone wrote him off at that point. Like a true warrior he rewrote his name and career and as we know the rest is history. To really speak on the goat topic you have to really look at everything when you argue this and Mike is the greatest, Kobe is 2nd, and LeBron is 3rd or whenever you really want to rank him. Make this debate with on the court facts period. Oh one last thing, Gilbert says Mike era was weak, now I'm 40 and I remember NBA on NBC on Saturday and Sunday 4 great games every weekend and every team for what its worth had a triple threat on their teams. There wasn't nobody joining another team trying to win a ring.
-- Lebron is arguably the 2nd greatest player. He surpassed all expectations since high school. But nah, dawg. MJ doesn't need anyone sell him. Rich Paul trying to sell it b/c Lebron dealt with social media? lol. Then again, Giannis and Jokic are in the SAME era and they ignore social media. I think that's even more impressive.
@@jlui21The queen hasn't surpassed anything. Just some longevity stats. It's too late for him in anything of the important category. He'll just stat pad and load manage from here on out till he sucks the energy off his son trying to make the NBA or he retires.
@@jlui21 he surpassed none of his expectations. All his rings came from creating superteams while Jokic, Kawhi, and giannis won wth what they had. Lebron has a pretty shitty legacy for a player thats bigger then majority of the players on the court. SAD.
the fact mj got 2 3peats in one city is way more impressive. LeBron changing teams and sucking all the resources a team has to make different runs at a ring and then bailing and going to a new team with new resources is his most incriminating sin. imagine if mj hopped around and went to the jazz with stockton and malone for a few years, then to the sonics with kemp and payton for another run and kept bouncing around he would not be held in as high regards.
This right here! If there was ever an argument to debate, it's the possibility of how many more championships Jordan would have won by team hopping. Jordan's staying with Chicago, and allowing a team to be built around him was waaaayy more advantageous than going to other teams and learning to play with new players. Grant, Armstrong, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, brought talent to Chicago and learned to play with an already accredited Jordan, which made them one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history.
@Uncut Hoops Your narrating has improved 10-fold. Great work dude. I'm really impressed. Kudos to you for improving your craft. The modulation makes it easier to understand, and your speech is so much clearer. I watched a few videos of yours, and there is a significant difference. Great stuff!
Bro, it is so easy to see that they are pushing the narrative it's sad because the vast majority of the planet has MJ as the GOAT. He's "THE GREATEST ATHLETE OF ALL-TIME". THE MVP is named after him. Man give it up. We don't wanna hear this shit evertime we turn on UA-cam. It's embarrassing, needy, petty, LeBron is a great player. He has had a great, entertaining career. I appreciate the great moments he provied us. He is a hell of a ball player... We all know that, and agree that he is a top 5/10 all-time great, but Jordan is the GOAT. It's not even close. Not even close.
The MVP award is actually named and created after bill russel the mvp most value player bill Russel award got made the year after his retirement which in honor of winning 11 rings they did that
And social media just flows away and doesn't stick. In MJ's day people tuned into SportsCenter or read Sports Illustrated and any MJ news was there for longer periods of time.
20 years in and they still trying to make the argument. The fact is, after Lebron retires, everyone will be comparing the next top guy to Jordan. No one has had a career as impressive, and no amount of longevity is going to bridge that gap for Lebron at this point.
I dont like how LJ fans and LJ himself think people have to give him respect when its earned not given. Jordan earned his respect through his hardwork and determination and made no excuses
Wrong LeBron never had respect since draft day you Jordan fans kicked off the disrespect that I do remember soon LeBron started talking its was a wrap and here we are 20 years later and still goes
@@tdup191 be honest as hell that's dumbest reason to lose respect to anyone for if that case let's lose respect for everyone on this planet that's living a life the way they want to..
I remember MJ in one of his interviews that when he steps on the court he forgets about everything because it’s his sanctuary and feel at peace. In other words he doesn’t let any outside distractions dictate his game.
There's actual video and tape of Kobe Bryant in high school announcing his decision by saying "I'm taking my talents to the NBA". Lebron was NOT the first to say that.🤦🏾♂️
Most of the criticism against LeBron is due to LBJ himself. LeBron's media bashing 24/7 was due to him saying bullshit things like 'his decision show', 'real world', 'he never played on superteam', 'he never flopped', etc. Jordan never made that mistake. He was pro at interviewing. Nevertheless, he faced a lot of criticism from early in his career. 'Good penetration but weak jump shot' -> became one of the best mid-range shooter of all time 'Scoring champions can't win championships' -> won scoring champion at every winning championship season 'He's good on offense, not so much on defense' -> 9 times all nba defensive 1st team with Dpoy 'Lacks the ability to lead a team to a championship like Magic Bird did' -> Won 6 championship (2x 3peat) which is more than Magic or Bird. This is how Jordan silenced all criticism of him with a game of basketball and became known as the GOAT. LeBron, on the other hand? He's the GOAT(Going On Another Team) also in his own way.
All the criticism that the media thrown at Jordan like can't win a championship with a scoring champion or he's a selfish player well Jordan destroyed them both.
It shows me a lot of people don’t actually know the history of the game or don’t care because Jordan faced a lot of criticism on a daily basis when he wasn’t winning he changed the opinion of himself through his play not his words.
@@jordansoviet23 Jordan destroyed them when he got a good team. Before that he was a loser. People forget that. Jordan couldn’t get his team out the first round. It took a rookie Scottie Pippen to help Jordan win his first playoff series. Lebron was to good of a player to get a lottery pick like Pippen.
@@tawaingantHUH? Bro are you dumb? Pippens career averages are less than Kyrie, Kevin Love, Bosh, Wade ect. LBJ has had much more talented teammates and more of them and still can't grab one 3peat 🤣🤣🤣 Jordan did it with a guy who averaged 16 ppg 6.4 rebounds and 5.2 assists. You act like Pippen was another Mike, naw he wasn't even as good as Alonso Mourning by stats... you call MJ a loser because he couldn't win without Pippen, what can you say about LBJ when he couldn't win more with Wade and Bosh? With Kyrie and K Love? He can't get 3 wins with those teammates? But Jordan did it with Pippen? Jordan lost every playoff in his early years besides once, to 2 famous teams. Birds Celtics with 5 HOFs, and Isiahs Bad Boy Pistons with 3 HOFs. And by himself he still kept it close. You forget LBJ didn't make it to the playoffs four times either. MJ is a loser lololol, your boy LBJ holds the record for most finals losses in NBA history 😂😂😂 what does that make him?
Back in the 80s, everyone - even non basketball fans - knew about Dr J, Bird, Magic, and Jordan. All newspapers covered them. They were on the nightly news. The country followed them. The NBA is very unpopular because players do not seem to understand sports - winning fairly, pushing yourself, being a team player, and giving it your all. Dr J, Bird, Magic, and Jordan were not telling people how to live their lives and how to think. They were just basketball players and did not go outside that boundary. Today's players seem to view themselves as icons and they are not.
*They were just basketball players and did not go outside that boundary.* I remember that commercial Charles Barkley made saying that he was not a role model and that parents/teachers are role models. He caught criticism for that.
Now the entire world follows and watches the NBA, time to catch up to reality old man. The league is more popular than ever. NBA games reach 1.5 billion people in over 215 countries and you just look ignorant and like you live under a rock 😅
@@allprogrows358😂 yeah, funny but no. Like most younger people you lack comprehension. Yes more people watch the game, as technology has made the world smaller. But thanks to MJ the popularity of the game has exploded. Technology has allowed more people to view highlights. Hell, most urban cities didn’t even have cable, there definitely wasn’t internet, yet Millions knew who Magic was, who Bird was who Dr J was…. Without the mass coverage. The point he was trying to make was that those players popularity went beyond the game. MJ brought that popularity global. The league is seen by more and gets more attention because of the technology ~ because of the internet. If you still don’t quite understand, the players EARNED their status and grew the game. Todays players are ungrateful and entitled and disrespect those that laid the foundation for the league to be more popular than ever. Respect your elders that one day you’ll hope to become. Young people don’t understand that new, and more equates to better quality. With all that said. WTF the younger generations still wearing Jordan’s… If the league was more popular and better than why is the popularity of Jordan’s still more profound today. ? I won’t wait for an adequate response because you don’t have one. ✌🏽
"Lebron opened up a school for the childrens. Did Jordan do that? Nope. Therefore, lebron is the goat!" 😂 lmao they always come up with some stupid ass argument that has nothing to do with basketball.
@@Lifted001 LMAOOO it’s like me saying “Kobe opened up a camp to anyone who would like to train and practice ball 🏀 Mamba Academy.” Etc etc. it’s so hilarious!
@@Lifted001 what's more embarrassing is if they did their homework, that school was opened by tax payers money. Lmao. Lebron just donated money (kudos to him). What's disgusting is how bad that school is doing. Kind of like the mess Lebron likes to leave teams in...
The thing that pisses me off the most is Kobe isn't here to defends himself and from the looks of it nobody else is either but there is no way in hell I'm gonna let this man get away with stealing one of Kobe's most iconic lines from 1996 " I decided to skip College and (take my talent) to the NBA". All of the ex players sitting there including Rich should know that LeBron took that quote from Kobe and on a global platform watched and shared by millions, Rich is going to just act as if LeBron came up with the line ,shameful and disgusting how low they will go for this guy. SMH
Jordan influenced the next generation of players which lifted the level of play on average today. Dwade, Mcgrady, Vince, Ray Allen, Kobe, Derrick Rose, LeBron, Paul Pierce, and so many more were influenced by mike.
Kobe coined the "I'm taking my talents to" line in 1996 when he announced he was skipping college. One of the few facts dude actually brought up and he got it wrong.
If these Jordon haters are defending Lebron that much and say that Scottie Pippen got those championships for him, it’s like saying “Ray Allen, etc etc saved Lebrons legacy.” MJ is goat 🐐 simple as that. Case closed! 😂😂😂 👍 👌 💯.
@jojofrancisco6648 or the NBA feeding his future teams draft picks before he got there. Example: Cleveland got 3 out of 4 #1 picks the 4 Yeats LeBron was in Miami, the year they didn't get the first pick they got th 2 and 5. Not to mention his first year in Miami, they changed the draft and it was no longer broadcasted
@@jojofrancisco6648you see how that fool Paul also said the Heat didn't teach him how to win or some nonsense 😂 in their perfect world they'd love to try and act like LeBron has only played with people he found outside a Y and not a bunch of all-star/HOF caliber players
What I find odd is that Rich Paul mentions Kobe, but acts like Kobe wasn’t heavily scrutinized and compared to MJ all the time too during his career. Kobe didn’t necessarily deal with this modern era of social media sure but he was still heavily scrutinized and so were other superstars in the past. LeBron wasn’t the only or first one. I just don’t see how that correlates with being better than MJ or Kobe like Paul presents it lol. If anything, it gives wayy more credit to MJ for becoming THE standard and gives credit to Kobe also for being the absolute closest thing to MJ/the standard. Ima add a snippet that I like from an article. It’s some thoughts Kobe had and that I think fits with players like Kobe, MJ, Bron, and Magic: “In all, Kobe knows the real reason why this clutch argument against him continues to persist.” “People kind of get bored with things that I’ve done, so they try to find new ones to talk about or try to find numbers to justify certain things. That’s what happens when you win. I remember Magic and Michael [Jordan] going through similar things. Hey, the talk before was that I couldn’t do it without Shaq. Well I did that. And then I did it again. Now it’s something else. They’re always going to come for something else. But I win. We win.”
lebum didnt either tbh... when social media took off lebum was already experienced and could easily handle it and block the "noise". the first half of his career was a cakewalk.
Horrible example. The media boosted Kobe's legacy to a mythical level. Just the Jordan comparison alone shows how overrated he was. That's not even bringing up the clutch label when he was everything but.
The Jordan Jump-Man Logo appears on all 30 NBA Team Jerseys and even Lebron has to wear it on his Lakers uniform. That speaks volume, so that must means that the NBA thinks Jordan is the GOAT.
Kobe was a poor man's Jordan who had a better player on his team named Shaq when they won 3 rings. MJ was always the best player on his team by far and Kobe was never even close to MJ.
Idk why Rich Paul thought he had a strong argument. He’s just another LeBron James yes man. He should’ve kept his mouth shut b/c he sounded ignorant lol. He can see platinum antlers for LeBron. Just make sure they have “quit on my team” wrote on them🤣
You can tell who the goat is in just how they carry themselves in that deabte. Jordan has said that no one will ever know because the greats of each era never played one another, and he stays out of the debate other than that really. Lebron seems kind of like Gollum and his desire for "his precious" when it comes to being thought of as the goat.
LeBron basically kicked off Rich Paul's career, put millions in his bank account, and made it possible for him to make even more with other superstars and other business deals. Rich Paul will be riding with LeBron till the wheels fall off.
Kobe is the one who actually said “ I’m taking my talents to “ first 😂😂 look it’s up kids. It happened in 96 and it was supposed to be him announcing which college he was going to attend. Instead Kobe said “ I’m taking my talents to the NBA “
At the end of the day LeBron lost 6 final series and had so many games where he scored less than 20pts in the Finals games and had his teammates score more than him while Jordan never had a Finals game scoring less than 20 nor had his teammate score more than him
And yet LeBron James is is the all-time scoring leader so that says that's just sad are Michael Jordan's behalf that was not point you just made that was just straight stupid
Jordan head-to-head with LeBron is not the greatest player not comparing them head-to-head is actually spearing Michael Jordan is showing some respect cuz because LeBron James stats kills Michael Jordan's stats so that she sounds like the UA-camr who is spuing anything old thing out of his mouth hahahahahaha
The one thing that has changed is that a guy who led his teams to 10 finals, even if he lost 6 of them, would never have been widely criticized in Mike’s era or any era prior to Lebron’s.
He getting criticized because he had the audacity to call himself the greatest. ONLY Ali can do that. Now his game is getting critiqued on a compared to GOAT level. Compared to MJ he short all over and young fellas who didn't see the 80's-90's can't understand.
First of all another great video my man. I love your stuff. You educate with facts not with personal preference. Keep up the good work. 2ndly - What do you expect Rich to say they've been boys since they were little kids. That alone makes everything he says about LeBrick being the goat tainted.
All Lebron had to do to stop the comparison is do what MJ does and pay respect to what came before and say you tried to be the best you could be at the time
Kobe didn’t say this 1st. MJ did, Kobe mimicked, & Lebron did so. The difference in the 3: MJ & Kobe were declaring for the draft, while Bron was leaving a team he was the B2B MVP for.
@@CreamPieSundays I loved it. I’ve prolly watched it like 5-6x. It’s better than tuning in to listen to Shannon, Skip, Nick Wright, and/or Stephen A pretend to do sports commentary
I've never heard anybody argue LeBronover Jordan without using any hypothetical, false accusation, or disingenuous accusations. This is why a lot of people don't like LeBron and its hard for people to embrace him. Everything is so fake and manufactured. And he has a lot of narcissist traits such as passive aggressiveness and he always has to remind us of his Greatest instead of letting us crown him.
Lol how many people say "if " Jordan didn't retire he'd have 8 straight rings? How many people say Jordan would've broke the scoring record if he didn't quit twice? Come on dude Jordan legacy is hyped on what ifs too lol. Jordan Kobe and LeBron are all narcissist. You praise Jordan for punching a teammate in the face and telling teammates they can't eat after a loss lol. Kobe ridiculing his teammates n shit lol. Foh Yall just don't like LeBron that's all it is but they all were narcissistic players
@@TayG_9Deuce Who the hell hype Jordan up for punching Steve Kerr? 🤣 Matter of fact your right MJ and Kobe were narcissist in a competitive way but they never took credit away from other greats. As of matter of fact they embrace the other greats like Jerry West, Wilt, Bill Russell, so on and so fourth they never publicly announced they were the GOAT. And they were fake to their teammates all they wanted was their teammates to be the best versions of themselves because dude's want to sit on their ass and not embrace challenges. Jordan's career is not manufactured of narratives. Those are the only hypothetical with Jordan and those are reason possibilities had that could have transpired and come to fruition. LeBrons on are not reason commons one such as "Jordan never played the Warriors/Spurs", the " Lakers and Pistons were old" and "LeBron never had Phil Jackson", "Jordan never won in the 80's", all unrealistic hypothetical or disingenuous facts.
I honestly appreciate the fact that you do such a good job on speaking truth regarding the situation because it really is disgusting and sickening to hear Rich Paul and LeBron James and other people who want to act like LeBron is even close to being a goat over Michael Jordan
Good video. I was able to watch all the way through because I like the points made to Rich Paul's parroting, but the whole MJ vs Bron debate is just nauseating at this point.
Rich Paul seeing the end, what he's doing is damage control/ mind conditioning. Kobe suffered the same fate, being demonized just to promote the new face of NBA, the new opponent of MJ in G.O.A.T. debate.
Rich Paul's weakest argument is how hard is it to get to the finals, each player on the panel agreed it's hard, Rich Paul didn't ask how hard is it to win 6 finals which includes 2- 3peats
Rich Paul wants to highlight the 2007 Finals so much that he thinks losing in the Finals 6x is better than winning it 6x (6-0). Rich Paul's GOAT has more losses than wins.
What’s so funny when rich Paul ask them how hard It is to get to the finals is that it was hard for those players because they didn’t have 2-3 all stars in their team. NOW if they had a super team like lebron always does they wouldn’t have as much as a hard time to reach the finals.
Hyping the self proclaimed Goat, doesn't change the fact that Jordan is and always will be the real GOAT. Rich Paul and Shannon Sharpe needs to just accept it and sit down.
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO LeBron james has won 10 conference championships Michael Jordan won 6......Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have more conference championships (In a mostly nine team league) than LeBron James In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 Your OWN logic. if we use that. Kobe is the goat. Won more in the hardest Leauge ever. Aad won 2 chip with no top 75 player. and have a positiv finals record.. Thx for sharing. KOBE=Best ever.
He has to say it. Literally everything in his life LeBron gave him. Even his women he wouldn't have without LeBron making him rich powerful and famous. 😂
If Lebron won all of his titles with the Cavs. Then one could make an argument for Lebron being the GOAT. But Bron kept team hopping everytime the organization went to hell. MJ carried the Chicago Bulls on his back.
@@Daybreak194 your right. He couldn’t win without another all star but y’all act like he can. When Lebron didn’t have another all star in Cleveland y’all still blame him for not beating better teams.
@@jaydot4956 Really? You're going to use that argument? How many titles has LeBron won WITHOUT any all-stars? None? Oh, okay. Let me rephrase it another way. How many titles has LeBron lost with multiple all-stars? MJ won one title without any all-stars on his team. MJ never lost a finals with or without an all-star. PERIOD!!
@Fernando-vg4ym that's it right there. LeBron riders will discredit an already all-time great just to make LeBron look better. But as soon as you bring up the fake injuries, flops, no defense, scoring 50 but have a -35 +/- in a loss all the time, it's the teammates' fault. But each finals the teammates that saved him.... Ray Allen, Wade, kyrie, AD... all of a sudden their trash, and they won bc of LeBron.
The problem with all the rule changes is NBA fans like me think it ruined the sport and made it too soft and boring. I have a really hard time with putting LBJ in the top 10 greatest of all time because it's so soft.
When they start talking shit like 96 bulls vs 17 warriors my first question is always, what rule set? 96 or 17? It's two different games. Bulls dominate 96 and gs wins by forfeit in 17 because the entire bulls organization fouled out.
Rich probably made the weakest goat argument for Lebum ive ever heard
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
LeBron james has won 10 conference championships
Michael Jordan won 6......Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have more conference championships (In a mostly nine team league) than LeBron James
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
I have added a Postscript
So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
exactly LeBron played in the weakest era
@@vicepresidentmikepence889give it a rest scottie
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 lebron played weaker opponents, and stayed in the east specifically to have an easy road to the finals. But once he got to the finals and had to play better opponents, he failed more often than he won. Lebronda can dunk and flop, thats about it. Oh and fallate himself, he does that more than any other player as well
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If you think Michael Jordan is the greatest , usually you bring up his accolades , his peak performances , his iconic moments , his basketball skill, and his impact to turn a losing franchise like the pre 1984 Chicago Bulls into one of the most noticeable sports brands in sports history because of winning.
When people usually say Lebron is the GOAT , they have to attempt to tear down Michael Jordan’s era , talk about his teammates , talk about his opponents , talk about immeasurable things like “playing in the social media era”
The comparison is never head to head from a Lebron Jame’s fan perspective.
Head to head Michael Jordan won more , accomplished more , and dominated his era better - and he did it in less time. Logically it’s hard to say Lebron is better.
Facts plus lebron has never 3 peated
Exactly this, LBJ fans/media always have to downplay what MJ did to get people into thinking what he did was not impressive. Then they use false narratives like “he didn’t win until Pippen came”, “was just a scorer”...use hypotheticals like “MJ would never take the 07 Cavs to the finals”, “”MJ would never beat the the GSW” etc Then on the other side they prop up everything LBJ does as if he did some “unthinkable” task that no one else can do. They never give an actual argument.
100% correct and you already know you're going to get a ton of Lebron fans coming in to hate on your comment. You've stated nothing but the facts, Lebron fans debate with hypothetical's and emotions, which in their world trumps facts everyday.
The only player in recent times that could even be compared to Jordan’s greatness is Kobe.
Lebron shouldn’t even be in the conversation.
Perfect take.
Jordan ....Kobe . Work ethic and killer instinct....never left their teams
Never saw a game where I thought MJ didn't leave it all out on the floor
The most iconic shots of Lebron’s career were made by other players. 😂😂
Lmao that’s why they have to overhype that block and that FT that “iced” the game haha
No seriously I can’t think of an iconic Lebron shot in any finals. Somebody got one that I’m overlooking?
@@bjrowland25he has none
@@bjrowland25he has zero
@@bjrowland25he has donut
"The toughest critic MJ had was Peter Vescey."
Mike was accused of being RESPONSIBLE for his dad's death. Imagine mourning the loss of the person you love most in life, and then being blamed publicly for his murder. Stop and imagine that. Then consider that Lebron puts up with "Twitter beefs." ffs
Dude when Kobe was dealing with the Colorado thing he was flying back to LA to play on the same day and the Lakers won those games. Dealing with the possibility of your freedom as a citizen being taken away on top of all the other stress and controversy… It’s another reason why I laughed when LeBron said he was the villain of the NBA during his first year in Miami and he wore the black headband and all. So ridiculous
Yeah Jordan heard that 24 hours and got threats and praise his kids won't make it and threaten daily and he got some people that sell they soul for him not make it yeah Jordan went threw the worse u def right Jordan went threw the worse everyday like its a job people wake up with hate for Jordan on they mind u right I can imagine
@@Serching4JerryGarcia it was not a Colorado thing, he raped a girl
@@Serching4JerryGarciaAlso Kobe was being booed in certain arenas..He was looked at as a plague.
I ALWAYS bring this up. If anyone even dared to blame LeBron for his family member's death, there'd be operas written, songs sung, and basketball bibles written by his stans to suggest that LeBron is like Jesus Christ incarnate, what with all the sacrificing and unjust attacks he just underwent. But when it's Jordan? Oh, yeah, it's just Peter Vescey, cause we forgot about that other stuff.
You don't get a cookie for getting to the finals, you get one for winning the finals.
I don’t know what’s the worst… if it’s this dude talking nonsense or the others around nodding their heads like: “Yes, yes. You’re right”. 😂
“If Jordans antlers are gold then Lebrons antlers is platinum”
If a man doesn’t understand that goats have horns and not antlers, you probably don’t need to hear anything else.
Pin this comment 🤣🤣💀
LeDeer 🦌 🤣🤣🤣
@@konradmurdzek8600 LeBambi
@@konradmurdzek8600LePlatinum “antler’s”…Leloser!
Gold looks better anyways.
Dude's trying hard to earn that paycheck. 😂
That's Rich Paul nigga, he earns Bron his paychecks lmaoo
Rich Paul is bought. He is THE LeBron James Yes Man. The one who blows sunshine at LeBron James to make him feel good. As for these men, it's like their starstruck!
Michael Jordan's worst day would kick his butt
Rich Paul unknowingly made an argument for Jordan.
If it's hard to get to the finals, it's even harder to win it. Even harder to 3peat. Jordan did it twice.
Kobe wasn’t playing during the social media era? Kobe was criticized far more than Lebron was. That didn’t stop him from being an assassin. What Rich is basically saying Lebron is weak minded because he’s concerned with what people say.
Thank you and I got Lebron over Kobe , Lebron has been the most cuddle superstar foh ,
@@PoohKalonji_97foh tell brin get that fifth chip we all know Bron got eliminated while Kobe went to three straight wit gasol
@@PoohKalonji_97my boi Kobe was waiting in the finals for Bron 2008-2011
Lebron hasnt surpassed Kobe's greatness. I'm not a big Bryant fan but facts are facts.
People down play Kobe because he first was the next Mike but Mike was still playing so he had to wait his time, then when he started becoming that guy 2003ish then the rape case happens, hurt his image, then the dry snitching really did it for him because everyone wrote him off at that point. Like a true warrior he rewrote his name and career and as we know the rest is history. To really speak on the goat topic you have to really look at everything when you argue this and Mike is the greatest, Kobe is 2nd, and LeBron is 3rd or whenever you really want to rank him. Make this debate with on the court facts period. Oh one last thing, Gilbert says Mike era was weak, now I'm 40 and I remember NBA on NBC on Saturday and Sunday 4 great games every weekend and every team for what its worth had a triple threat on their teams. There wasn't nobody joining another team trying to win a ring.
When you have to tear down another person to bring another up in your GOAT case, he’s not the GOAT!
-- i also like to add Lebron wears 23 b/c of MJ.
Lebron should have worn 24. lol.
Or wear 22 because he's less than Jordan.
The desperation to be relevant is one of the reasons why he's lost respect.
"If you're a single guy, find yourself a woman that will defend you like Rich Paul defends Lebron."
This line is gold and great advice.
He just showed that lebron can't handle too much pressure, thank you rich paul hahaha
-- Lebron is arguably the 2nd greatest player. He surpassed all expectations since high school.
But nah, dawg. MJ doesn't need anyone sell him. Rich Paul trying to sell it b/c Lebron dealt with social media? lol. Then again, Giannis and Jokic are in the SAME era and they ignore social media. I think that's even more impressive.
@@jlui21 yep
@@jlui21The queen hasn't surpassed anything. Just some longevity stats. It's too late for him in anything of the important category. He'll just stat pad and load manage from here on out till he sucks the energy off his son trying to make the NBA or he retires.
@@jlui21 he surpassed none of his expectations. All his rings came from creating superteams while Jokic, Kawhi, and giannis won wth what they had. Lebron has a pretty shitty legacy for a player thats bigger then majority of the players on the court. SAD.
And yet their pushin to have a Lebron lakers statue😂 for what?longevity😂
the fact mj got 2 3peats in one city is way more impressive. LeBron changing teams and sucking all the resources a team has to make different runs at a ring and then bailing and going to a new team with new resources is his most incriminating sin. imagine if mj hopped around and went to the jazz with stockton and malone for a few years, then to the sonics with kemp and payton for another run and kept bouncing around he would not be held in as high regards.
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This right here!
If there was ever an argument to debate, it's the possibility of how many more championships Jordan would have won by team hopping.
Jordan's staying with Chicago, and allowing a team to be built around him was waaaayy more advantageous than going to other teams and learning to play with new players. Grant, Armstrong, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, brought talent to Chicago and learned to play with an already accredited Jordan, which made them one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history.
@Uncut Hoops Your narrating has improved 10-fold. Great work dude. I'm really impressed. Kudos to you for improving your craft. The modulation makes it easier to understand, and your speech is so much clearer. I watched a few videos of yours, and there is a significant difference. Great stuff!
Bro, it is so easy to see that they are pushing the narrative it's sad because the vast majority of the planet has MJ as the GOAT. He's "THE GREATEST ATHLETE OF ALL-TIME". THE MVP is named after him. Man give it up. We don't wanna hear this shit evertime we turn on UA-cam. It's embarrassing, needy, petty, LeBron is a great player. He has had a great, entertaining career. I appreciate the great moments he provied us. He is a hell of a ball player...
We all know that, and agree that he is a top 5/10 all-time great, but Jordan is the GOAT. It's not even close. Not even close.
The MVP award is actually named and created after bill russel the mvp most value player bill Russel award got made the year after his retirement which in honor of winning 11 rings they did that
@@erickmonteagudo8892 You're referring to the Finals MVP award I presume. The new trophy given to the Season MVP though is the Michael Jordan Trophy.
"social media" is words, how are you going to be the GOAT if you can't ignore negative words?
And social media just flows away and doesn't stick. In MJ's day people tuned into SportsCenter or read Sports Illustrated and any MJ news was there for longer periods of time.
20 years in and they still trying to make the argument. The fact is, after Lebron retires, everyone will be comparing the next top guy to Jordan. No one has had a career as impressive, and no amount of longevity is going to bridge that gap for Lebron at this point.
As soon as you said word salad I instantly subscribed 😂 great video man keep it up!
I dont like how LJ fans and LJ himself think people have to give him respect when its earned not given. Jordan earned his respect through his hardwork and determination and made no excuses
Wrong LeBron never had respect since draft day you Jordan fans kicked off the disrespect that I do remember soon LeBron started talking its was a wrap and here we are 20 years later and still goes
@@juscallmedagoose9619 Bron was respected until he took his talents to South Beach to learn how to win from Wade and Riley 😂
@juscallmedagoose9619 lol a wrap? Everyone has dummied that clown in the NBA.
@@tdup191 be honest as hell that's dumbest reason to lose respect to anyone for if that case let's lose respect for everyone on this planet that's living a life the way they want to..
@@ChiHollow lol get out your feelings. I'm talking about basketball not him as a person. 🤦🏽♂️
I remember MJ in one of his interviews that when he steps on the court he forgets about everything because it’s his sanctuary and feel at peace. In other words he doesn’t let any outside distractions dictate his
game.
5:47 Rashad McCants wearing a crown and Bron jersey on is a meme in itself
His argument is the media. That is stupid.
There's actual video and tape of Kobe Bryant in high school announcing his decision by saying "I'm taking my talents to the NBA". Lebron was NOT the first to say that.🤦🏾♂️
That video is here on UA-cam too
Lebron was the first to announce he was taking his talents to a new team to create a super team, idiot!
18 is different than being a NBA veteran
MJ. Kobe. Lebron.
Nobody mentions when D. Howard said it at his high school presser 🤣
Soulja boy said it first according to him
Most of the criticism against LeBron is due to LBJ himself.
LeBron's media bashing 24/7 was due to him saying bullshit things like 'his decision show', 'real world', 'he never played on superteam', 'he never flopped', etc. Jordan never made that mistake. He was pro at interviewing.
Nevertheless, he faced a lot of criticism from early in his career.
'Good penetration but weak jump shot' -> became one of the best mid-range shooter of all time
'Scoring champions can't win championships' -> won scoring champion at every winning championship season
'He's good on offense, not so much on defense' -> 9 times all nba defensive 1st team with Dpoy
'Lacks the ability to lead a team to a championship like Magic Bird did' -> Won 6 championship (2x 3peat) which is more than Magic or Bird.
This is how Jordan silenced all criticism of him with a game of basketball and became known as the GOAT.
LeBron, on the other hand? He's the GOAT(Going On Another Team) also in his own way.
@Pseudog831 Maybe going to college have something to do with that?
@@3liquidthree that might have something to do with it.
spot on dude
Going on another team!! Best comment I’ve seen in a LOOOOONG time. That was great, mate!! Lmfaooooo 😂😂😂
Best take
You talk the realest stuff, love the channel
Hell, when Jordan was losing to Detroit, the media members were like can you win with Michael Jordan?
They got their answer
All the criticism that the media thrown at Jordan like can't win a championship with a scoring champion or he's a selfish player well Jordan destroyed them both.
It shows me a lot of people don’t actually know the history of the game or don’t care because Jordan faced a lot of criticism on a daily basis when he wasn’t winning he changed the opinion of himself through his play not his words.
@@jordansoviet23 Jordan destroyed them when he got a good team. Before that he was a loser. People forget that. Jordan couldn’t get his team out the first round. It took a rookie Scottie Pippen to help Jordan win his first playoff series. Lebron was to good of a player to get a lottery pick like Pippen.
@@tawaingantHUH? Bro are you dumb? Pippens career averages are less than Kyrie, Kevin Love, Bosh, Wade ect. LBJ has had much more talented teammates and more of them and still can't grab one 3peat 🤣🤣🤣 Jordan did it with a guy who averaged 16 ppg 6.4 rebounds and 5.2 assists. You act like Pippen was another Mike, naw he wasn't even as good as Alonso Mourning by stats... you call MJ a loser because he couldn't win without Pippen, what can you say about LBJ when he couldn't win more with Wade and Bosh? With Kyrie and K Love? He can't get 3 wins with those teammates? But Jordan did it with Pippen? Jordan lost every playoff in his early years besides once, to 2 famous teams. Birds Celtics with 5 HOFs, and Isiahs Bad Boy Pistons with 3 HOFs. And by himself he still kept it close. You forget LBJ didn't make it to the playoffs four times either. MJ is a loser lololol, your boy LBJ holds the record for most finals losses in NBA history 😂😂😂 what does that make him?
You know what's funny? Any time someone says Lebron is more criticized than MJ they can never pinpoint the exact criticism they're referencing
Literally anywhere people are discussing LeBron you can find other people hating on him and criticizing his career.
@@allprogrows358 because he’s not as great as the sports media makes him out to be. And they never stop worshipping him
this youtube channel is one of many examples
@@juicevino4288FACT
@@allprogrows358 You apart from the criticism that hes simply not as good as the greats hes constantly compared to?
I've watched Videos of the 90s "toughest defensive era" it's by far the most atrocious defense I've ever seen
👏 👏 👏 very well done! You completely picked the BS apart..
LeFraud the social media goat... yea that sounds about right
Back in the 80s, everyone - even non basketball fans - knew about Dr J, Bird, Magic, and Jordan. All newspapers covered them. They were on the nightly news. The country followed them. The NBA is very unpopular because players do not seem to understand sports - winning fairly, pushing yourself, being a team player, and giving it your all. Dr J, Bird, Magic, and Jordan were not telling people how to live their lives and how to think. They were just basketball players and did not go outside that boundary. Today's players seem to view themselves as icons and they are not.
That because we make em to be let's see how this jaylen brown situation go
*They were just basketball players and did not go outside that boundary.*
I remember that commercial Charles Barkley made saying that he was not a role model and that parents/teachers are role models. He caught criticism for that.
Now the entire world follows and watches the NBA, time to catch up to reality old man. The league is more popular than ever. NBA games reach 1.5 billion people in over 215 countries and you just look ignorant and like you live under a rock 😅
@allprogrows358 how many people watched space jam 2 how many people have heard of jokic.
@@allprogrows358😂 yeah, funny but no.
Like most younger people you lack comprehension. Yes more people watch the game, as technology has made the world smaller. But thanks to MJ the popularity of the game has exploded. Technology has allowed more people to view highlights. Hell, most urban cities didn’t even have cable, there definitely wasn’t internet, yet Millions knew who Magic was, who Bird was who Dr J was…. Without the mass coverage.
The point he was trying to make was that those players popularity went beyond the game. MJ brought that popularity global.
The league is seen by more and gets more attention because of the technology ~ because of the internet.
If you still don’t quite understand,
the players EARNED their status and grew the game. Todays players are ungrateful and entitled and disrespect those that laid the foundation for the league to be more popular than ever.
Respect your elders that one day you’ll hope to become.
Young people don’t understand that new, and more equates to better quality.
With all that said.
WTF the younger generations still wearing Jordan’s… If the league was more popular and better than why is the popularity of Jordan’s still more profound today. ?
I won’t wait for an adequate response because you don’t have one. ✌🏽
GOATs don't care what others say, they just all call you the GOAT
Real men don't surround themselves with 'yes men'
Thank you for this video
Lmao. So they're moving the goal post to Lebby went through the "social media" age. Pfffffft. That's got nothing to do when you're on the court.
Facts! 😂😂😂 👍
Especially when you consider he’s been pampered since he went back to Cleveland
"Lebron opened up a school for the childrens. Did Jordan do that? Nope. Therefore, lebron is the goat!" 😂 lmao they always come up with some stupid ass argument that has nothing to do with basketball.
@@Lifted001 LMAOOO it’s like me saying “Kobe opened up a camp to anyone who would like to train and practice ball 🏀 Mamba Academy.” Etc etc. it’s so hilarious!
@@Lifted001 what's more embarrassing is if they did their homework, that school was opened by tax payers money. Lmao. Lebron just donated money (kudos to him). What's disgusting is how bad that school is doing. Kind of like the mess Lebron likes to leave teams in...
The thing that pisses me off the most is Kobe isn't here to defends himself and from the looks of it nobody else is either but there is no way in hell I'm gonna let this man get away with stealing one of Kobe's most iconic lines from 1996 " I decided to skip College and (take my talent) to the NBA". All of the ex players sitting there including Rich should know that LeBron took that quote from Kobe and on a global platform watched and shared by millions, Rich is going to just act as if LeBron came up with the line ,shameful and disgusting how low they will go for this guy. SMH
What is LeBron originally known for?
@@edwardtatum9930 Lance Stephenson blowing in his ear 🤷♂️
And the asking them how many finals they been to none because they was trash and they eating up every word this man is saying
I thought I was trippn...glad you said sumn👍🏽✌🏾
The Deception VS The Original Decision ua-cam.com/users/shortsLk8_6_OAfaY?si=zUZyQ36R19j1S_Jr
Jordan influenced the next generation of players which lifted the level of play on average today. Dwade, Mcgrady, Vince, Ray Allen, Kobe, Derrick Rose, LeBron, Paul Pierce, and so many more were influenced by mike.
Gilbert a joke. Who can take him seriously?
Kobe coined the "I'm taking my talents to" line in 1996 when he announced he was skipping college. One of the few facts dude actually brought up and he got it wrong.
But Kobe didn’t make it an iconic phrase. I bet you a majority of people didn’t even know Kobe said it first.
@@jaydot4956 lol there was nothing iconic about your king saying tht then getting outplayed by Jason Terry in Finals the next season 😂👎🏽
@@jaydot4956 iconic? People say it in jest like they’re making fun of it cause it was such a weak move 😂
@@jaydot49561st MJ. 2nd Kobe. 3rd Lebron.
2 draftees and 1 free agent lmao
I think you are confusing the word "iconic" with "cringe"@@jaydot4956
Expected nothing else from Bron's lap puppy.
Who TF ever heard of "The Gilbert Arenas Rules?" WTF is that???
I've never...NEVER heard of any such nonsense!😂😂😂
And it is CRAZY how no one on Jordan's team ever comes out and disses Lebron. It's ridiculous.
Ahead of his time? I mean I guess the team jumping and flopping like a soccer player did kind of start with him
Cant belive this nonsense argument that was never an argument to begin with is still going Jordan the GOAT period deal with it
10:58 is this the new 🧢🧢🧢 indicator? 😂😂
I couldn’t even get through this… whew 😰
If these Jordon haters are defending Lebron that much and say that Scottie Pippen got those championships for him, it’s like saying “Ray Allen, etc etc saved Lebrons legacy.” MJ is goat 🐐 simple as that. Case closed! 😂😂😂 👍 👌 💯.
Bruh they all got rings its only LeBron when contexts come into play
You can also add bron couldn’t win without Bosh, Wade, Kyrie, love, Ad. The hypocrisy is insane.
@jojofrancisco6648 or the NBA feeding his future teams draft picks before he got there. Example: Cleveland got 3 out of 4 #1 picks the 4 Yeats LeBron was in Miami, the year they didn't get the first pick they got th 2 and 5. Not to mention his first year in Miami, they changed the draft and it was no longer broadcasted
@@jojofrancisco6648you see how that fool Paul also said the Heat didn't teach him how to win or some nonsense 😂 in their perfect world they'd love to try and act like LeBron has only played with people he found outside a Y and not a bunch of all-star/HOF caliber players
Lmfao meanwhile Michael Jordan stans like you can't even spell his name correctly 😂
What I find odd is that Rich Paul mentions Kobe, but acts like Kobe wasn’t heavily scrutinized and compared to MJ all the time too during his career. Kobe didn’t necessarily deal with this modern era of social media sure but he was still heavily scrutinized and so were other superstars in the past. LeBron wasn’t the only or first one.
I just don’t see how that correlates with being better than MJ or Kobe like Paul presents it lol. If anything, it gives wayy more credit to MJ for becoming THE standard and gives credit to Kobe also for being the absolute closest thing to MJ/the standard.
Ima add a snippet that I like from an article. It’s some thoughts Kobe had and that I think fits with players like Kobe, MJ, Bron, and Magic: “In all, Kobe knows the real reason why this clutch argument against him continues to persist.”
“People kind of get bored with things that I’ve done, so they try to find new ones to talk about or try to find numbers to justify certain things. That’s what happens when you win. I remember Magic and Michael [Jordan] going through similar things. Hey, the talk before was that I couldn’t do it without Shaq. Well I did that. And then I did it again. Now it’s something else. They’re always going to come for something else. But I win. We win.”
Yeah... That's what killed me
Facts!!💯💯💯
lebum didnt either tbh... when social media took off lebum was already experienced and could easily handle it and block the "noise". the first half of his career was a cakewalk.
Horrible example. The media boosted Kobe's legacy to a mythical level. Just the Jordan comparison alone shows how overrated he was. That's not even bringing up the clutch label when he was everything but.
@@keithjoseph128Fool Kobe actually played to win 🏆
Unlike Lebron & KD that run around the league every year teaming up to chase rings !!!!!
The Jordan Jump-Man Logo appears on all 30 NBA Team Jerseys and even Lebron has to wear it on his Lakers uniform. That speaks volume, so that must means that the NBA thinks Jordan is the GOAT.
This is wild. I can't believe nobody checked this dude 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kobe is better than LeBron, why is Kobe merely a "silhouette" (whatever that means) of Jordan?
Silhouette means outline - - - -
Kobe was a poor man's Jordan who had a better player on his team named Shaq when they won 3 rings. MJ was always the best player on his team by far and Kobe was never even close to MJ.
Idk why Rich Paul thought he had a strong argument. He’s just another LeBron James yes man. He should’ve kept his mouth shut b/c he sounded ignorant lol. He can see platinum antlers for LeBron. Just make sure they have “quit on my team” wrote on them🤣
He thought he made a strong argument because nobody there challenged anything he said. They let him get away with everything he said.
@@TA-ht4jo True dat. You ain’t wrong
Alright but can we acknowledge that Goats most definitely have horns and not antlers
@@elijahguerrero1490 I’m just going off what Rich Fraud said lol
@@dafundraiser563 I know I was coming for rich not you bro 🫡
I was like wtf he's talking abt that's a new one * media athlete *
You can tell who the goat is in just how they carry themselves in that deabte. Jordan has said that no one will ever know because the greats of each era never played one another, and he stays out of the debate other than that really. Lebron seems kind of like Gollum and his desire for "his precious" when it comes to being thought of as the goat.
LeBron basically kicked off Rich Paul's career, put millions in his bank account, and made it possible for him to make even more with other superstars and other business deals. Rich Paul will be riding with LeBron till the wheels fall off.
sure will
Is the lebron debate still not over? That guy can’t even dominate the Curry era.
Kobe was the first person to say “I’m taking my talents to” in ‘96
Kobe is the one who actually said “ I’m taking my talents to “ first 😂😂 look it’s up kids. It happened in 96 and it was supposed to be him announcing which college he was going to attend. Instead Kobe said “ I’m taking my talents to the NBA “
Big difference. Kobe was 18, lebum was a nba veteran.
Kobe didn’t declare himself the GOAT and call himself King. People give you the GOAT title you don’t give it to yourself.
L comment brotha
At the end of the day LeBron lost 6 final series and had so many games where he scored less than 20pts in the Finals games and had his teammates score more than him while Jordan never had a Finals game scoring less than 20 nor had his teammate score more than him
And yet LeBron James is is the all-time scoring leader so that says that's just sad are Michael Jordan's behalf that was not point you just made that was just straight stupid
Jordan head-to-head with LeBron is not the greatest player not comparing them head-to-head is actually spearing Michael Jordan is showing some respect cuz because LeBron James stats kills Michael Jordan's stats so that she sounds like the UA-camr who is spuing anything old thing out of his mouth hahahahahaha
To sum up this Era: No creative offensive schemes, no toughness, no defense, flopping but only 3 pointers.
The one thing that has changed is that a guy who led his teams to 10 finals, even if he lost 6 of them, would never have been widely criticized in Mike’s era or any era prior to Lebron’s.
He getting criticized because he had the audacity to call himself the greatest. ONLY Ali can do that. Now his game is getting critiqued on a compared to GOAT level. Compared to MJ he short all over and young fellas who didn't see the 80's-90's can't understand.
First of all another great video my man. I love your stuff. You educate with facts not with personal preference. Keep up the good work.
2ndly - What do you expect Rich to say they've been boys since they were little kids. That alone makes everything he says about LeBrick being the goat tainted.
I swear we are dumbing down as we move through time. This is a perfect example.
All Lebron had to do to stop the comparison is do what MJ does and pay respect to what came before and say you tried to be the best you could be at the time
Lol Kobe said “I’m taking my talents to” the NBA when he was in high school😂
When you start bringing media into a basketball comparison then you know he knows who is better.
" I'm taking my talents too" wait a second 🤔... KOBE SAID IT FIRST, when he was declaring he'd enter the NBA draft outta high school 🤦.
Kobe didn’t say this 1st. MJ did, Kobe mimicked, & Lebron did so. The difference in the 3: MJ & Kobe were declaring for the draft, while Bron was leaving a team he was the B2B MVP for.
@@TeezyfolKKz okay 👍, thanks for the information and clarification.
@@CreamPieSundays i believe film of MJ doing so was in the last dance.
@@TeezyfolKKz The Last Dance kinda faded from my memory. I enjoyed it when I watched it but that was about it
@@CreamPieSundays I loved it. I’ve prolly watched it like 5-6x. It’s better than tuning in to listen to Shannon, Skip, Nick Wright, and/or Stephen A pretend to do sports commentary
I've never heard anybody argue LeBronover Jordan without using any hypothetical, false accusation, or disingenuous accusations. This is why a lot of people don't like LeBron and its hard for people to embrace him. Everything is so fake and manufactured. And he has a lot of narcissist traits such as passive aggressiveness and he always has to remind us of his Greatest instead of letting us crown him.
Lol how many people say "if " Jordan didn't retire he'd have 8 straight rings? How many people say Jordan would've broke the scoring record if he didn't quit twice? Come on dude Jordan legacy is hyped on what ifs too lol. Jordan Kobe and LeBron are all narcissist. You praise Jordan for punching a teammate in the face and telling teammates they can't eat after a loss lol. Kobe ridiculing his teammates n shit lol. Foh Yall just don't like LeBron that's all it is but they all were narcissistic players
@@TayG_9Deuce Who the hell hype Jordan up for punching Steve Kerr? 🤣 Matter of fact your right MJ and Kobe were narcissist in a competitive way but they never took credit away from other greats. As of matter of fact they embrace the other greats like Jerry West, Wilt, Bill Russell, so on and so fourth they never publicly announced they were the GOAT. And they were fake to their teammates all they wanted was their teammates to be the best versions of themselves because dude's want to sit on their ass and not embrace challenges.
Jordan's career is not manufactured of narratives. Those are the only hypothetical with Jordan and those are reason possibilities had that could have transpired and come to fruition. LeBrons on are not reason commons one such as "Jordan never played the Warriors/Spurs", the " Lakers and Pistons were old" and "LeBron never had Phil Jackson", "Jordan never won in the 80's", all unrealistic hypothetical or disingenuous facts.
He acts like it was hard to get to the finals coming out of the Eastern conf at that time. 3-5 teams routinely with .500 or worse records. Look it up.
I ran across this and I said to myself very sad and pathetic. What a joke...!!!
I honestly appreciate the fact that you do such a good job on speaking truth regarding the situation because it really is disgusting and sickening to hear Rich Paul and LeBron James and other people who want to act like LeBron is even close to being a goat over Michael Jordan
Absolutely correct. Social media has benefited LeBron and his narrative more than it has been a detriment.
Good video. I was able to watch all the way through because I like the points made to Rich Paul's parroting, but the whole MJ vs Bron debate is just nauseating at this point.
Rich Paul seeing the end, what he's doing is damage control/ mind conditioning.
Kobe suffered the same fate, being demonized just to promote the new face of NBA, the new opponent of MJ in G.O.A.T. debate.
Rich Paul's weakest argument is how hard is it to get to the finals, each player on the panel agreed it's hard, Rich Paul didn't ask how hard is it to win 6 finals which includes 2- 3peats
Rich Paul wants to highlight the 2007 Finals so much that he thinks losing in the Finals 6x is better than winning it 6x (6-0). Rich Paul's GOAT has more losses than wins.
News cycle is his heaviest argument 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kobe said "taking my talents too" before LeBron. He said it when he announced he was going from highschool to the NBA and declaring for the draft.
What’s so funny when rich Paul ask them how hard It is to get to the finals is that it was hard for those players because they didn’t have 2-3 all stars in their team. NOW if they had a super team like lebron always does they wouldn’t have as much as a hard time to reach the finals.
Thing is if they're talking bout how hard it is just 2 make it doesn't that mean it's even harder 2 win?
Rich paul is the PR firm for lebron. Idk why anyone would take this man seriously on this debate
Paul is the queen's mouthpiece
He should have asked Kenyon Martin how hard it is to win one let alone go undefeated
Rashaad "worthless" McCants being on this stupid panel instantly strips it of credibility
Hyping the self proclaimed Goat, doesn't change the fact that Jordan is and always will be the real GOAT. Rich Paul and Shannon Sharpe needs to just accept it and sit down.
Facts
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
LeBron james has won 10 conference championships
Michael Jordan won 6......Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have more conference championships (In a mostly nine team league) than LeBron James
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
I have added a Postscript
So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889the east was weak brotherman
@@vicepresidentmikepence88991-93 pippen wassnt a top 75 player 😭 stop w this copy paste there r sm errors
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 Your OWN logic. if we use that. Kobe is the goat. Won more in the hardest Leauge ever. Aad won 2 chip with no top 75 player. and have a positiv finals record.. Thx for sharing. KOBE=Best ever.
Jordan: locked down the entire league.
LeBron: locked down a conference.
an admittedly weak conference at the time at that
Bulls locked down the league
Lebron locked down the conference
Rich Paul had to be high Af , saying that goofy shyt 🤣🤣
He has to say it. Literally everything in his life LeBron gave him. Even his women he wouldn't have without LeBron making him rich powerful and famous. 😂
You got a name the 24-hour media in the 80s and 90s
Jordan was in the toughest ever of basketball and still got 2 3 peats
If Lebron won all of his titles with the Cavs. Then one could make an argument for Lebron being the GOAT. But Bron kept team hopping everytime the organization went to hell. MJ carried the Chicago Bulls on his back.
So why is he 1-9 in the playoffs without pippen? Jordan didn’t carry sh*t.
@@jaydot4956name any all-star that played with mj during those years.
@@Daybreak194 your right. He couldn’t win without another all star but y’all act like he can. When Lebron didn’t have another all star in Cleveland y’all still blame him for not beating better teams.
@@jaydot4956 Really? You're going to use that argument? How many titles has LeBron won WITHOUT any all-stars? None? Oh, okay. Let me rephrase it another way. How many titles has LeBron lost with multiple all-stars? MJ won one title without any all-stars on his team. MJ never lost a finals with or without an all-star. PERIOD!!
@Fernando-vg4ym that's it right there. LeBron riders will discredit an already all-time great just to make LeBron look better. But as soon as you bring up the fake injuries, flops, no defense, scoring 50 but have a -35 +/- in a loss all the time, it's the teammates' fault. But each finals the teammates that saved him.... Ray Allen, Wade, kyrie, AD... all of a sudden their trash, and they won bc of LeBron.
Rich points were very irrelevant to the discussion
I remember debating jordan and magic..
I remember alot of friends scrutinizing jordan saying Clyde Barkley Hakeem or Karl malone was better
Jordan never let any superstar win rings in his prime but Lebron watched Steph win 4 rings. Comparing them side by side is not even close
He said watched, come on LeBron
Steph had to have a super team with 4-5 all stars just to beat LeBron
Steph Curry 4 rings and 1 Finals MVP? LOL
Greats never have 2 call themselves great... their agent friend neither 😂👨🏿🦯
Can't say an era is weak. That's like comparing the typewriter to a computer.
Who the F is Rich Paul??
Jake Paul's brother ?
The problem with all the rule changes is NBA fans like me think it ruined the sport and made it too soft and boring. I have a really hard time with putting LBJ in the top 10 greatest of all time because it's so soft.
It’s boring, repetitive, and the modern players are lazy and whiny.
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Preeeeeeeeach!
When they start talking shit like 96 bulls vs 17 warriors my first question is always, what rule set? 96 or 17? It's two different games. Bulls dominate 96 and gs wins by forfeit in 17 because the entire bulls organization fouled out.
can someone name a GOAT in any sports who has more Final losses than wins?