I have played this game a lot, and every time I play it, I learn new strategies. Guild is actually my favourite faction, because of their dominance in shipping. This was an excellent showcase of the game....and one of the best uses of Truthtrance I have ever seen!
Emperor + Guild alliance will never not be terrifying. The sheer economic power is crazy, and in my experience requires careful and complex maneuvering by the other players to meaningfully stop.
I’ve always been a big fan of Bene Gesserit + Harkonnen for a truly terrifying force in combat. Voicing opponents with double treachery cards and extra traitors is very scary.
I'm so glad this game has gotten more traction. I picked it up after seeing the MCDC plays a bit before new Dune movies came out. Such a fun deep game. Our play group loves Risk 2210 AD and this as our favorite longer form games
fun video. I'm a little jealous. I've owned a copy of the original AH version for about 15 years and have tried unsuccessfully many times to get it on the table
Best video to get a taste of Dune gameplay for the uninitiated, thank you! Covered the right amount of rules and game situations, while presenting an exciting experience. This is a fantastic format to make heavy games more approachable.
My godkids got me the Barnes/Noble edition for Christmas last year and I've read the rules, got confused...watched some YT vidoes, still confused but cleared some things up...saw this and like "Yep, all the negotiation and backstabbing, I'm awful at that so I'm gonna suck at this game."
Definitely a bit late to this video, but after playing my first two games of Dune this weekend I've been on a kick. Just wanted to say I really enjoyed this video. It felt really well put together, and well-paced. I checked out a few other videos and i'm really glad I found you through these. I instantly heard Ludwig and Schlatt's musical emporium music and realized that your style of videos is very reminiscent to modern youtubers, which I don't often see in the board gaming community. So thank you so much for this awesome content!
Truthtrance has a very devicive usage cases. Jack reda the expansion developer, comments on this card: "Lore-wise it's about past and present, and not about the future".I think it makes sense.
Nice overview and editing Orski, i got the game second hand a while ago and I have been meaning to play it for a while now, but never got around to playing it (high barrier of entry with player count, duration and complexity), it really seems like a game that I would like to play in real life as well (even though the TTS mod looks nice). Side question: Did you ever play any of the COIN games? (cuba libre, fire in the lake, andean abyss etc.) I recently got introduced to them and I've been greatly enjoying them, I think you'd like games like this as well! Cheers, Jan
@@orski78 Ah they're all asymmetric war games, highligting certain wars with insurgents and COunter INsurgents (hence the name). If you wanna check it out, Cuba Libre (regarding the cuban revolution) is generally considered as a good starting point to the series.
@@orski78 This is coming at least also from a person that doesnt watch/play many bored games, but its really nice when you explain it and I think you do it in a very efficient but fun way. I might be the minority in viewership but I love seeing you play these new games and try them out :)
I love Dune! It's so rough and the expanded factions offer an interesting twist. IMO, it's up there with Twilight Imperium for longform political games
I'm still waiting for someone to play with every faction in the Dune Game: CHOAM Emperor Spacing Guild Fremen Ixian Atreides Moritani Bene Gesserit Ecaz Tleilaxu Harkonnen Richese I want to see all of them in one game XD
Bene Gesserit voice forcing to play lasgun is homemade rule. In original game he can only force to play "non special weapon", while lasgun is a special weapon indeed. Also firemen can go through storm easily.
Nice! I remember playing a several hour long game for the guild to win too lol. My friends and I love this game, but I will be moving soon. What program did you use for online play? I’ll definitely want to use whatever you used so I can still play Dune with my friends online!
I finally got to play this, we all fucking hated it, we didnt even finish the game. Immediately boxed it up and tossed it in the shed (Literally just threw everything back in the box by swiping it off the table)
You can ask such questions, but AFAIK "I don't know" is also a valid answer if it truthfully depends on currently unknown facts and intent. (No saying "I don't know" if you really did intent to attack Arrakeen next turn for example)
The card says "The player must answer "yes" or "no" truthfully." From that I assume "I don't know" is not a valid answer. You can't even answer a Truthtrance question by saying something like "I'll blow it up if and only if the number of troops there is more than ..."
@@matusabaffy9453 the I don't know answer is an errata for questions which you do not have enough information to answer like "will you ship to the territory I point to" or "will you answer yes to my next truthtrance"
4 is fun from what I remember, but don’t bother with 3 or less. The game ends way too quickly with 3 players, since one can just capture strongholds right off the bat and then with some luck, win immediately
Nothing, really. the newest expansion out soon will add some advantage to players who aren't in a faction. Remember, an unallied faction only needs 3 strongholds. (or their unique victory condition if they have one)
@@MrJibbajabbawocky hey, I’m really interest in this game, never played but i watched a few games online. It seems to me that being in an alliance is very strong and backstabbing organically is impossible since you can only break alliance during a worm event. This is surprising to me for a game about Dune. The only times I’ve seen players break alliance is if their team mate became very weak or as Fremen they got an extra move from the worm and tried to capitalize on that to get a win. Am I correct?
@@ares106 Pretty much. You can break alliances if another faction has been having strong turns, and you want to ally with them, or you both control Strongholds and an alliance will win at the end of the round if nothing changes. You're always free to make deals and "ally" with people, even outside the Alliance mechanic... it just doesn't change either of your win conditions. The Traitor mechanic is a good rendition of the backstabbing you get in the book. Harkonnen get to keep ALL 4 of their traitors, instead of choosing just one. Dune is a game that changes based on what factions are involved, who's playing them and how the Traitors and Treachery cards pan out. It's worth picking up, since the base GF9 game is only 50 bucks and the expansions are 25. All the breakdowns I see of "What faction wins the most" are really reflections of that particular person's community. It's a meaty game. Get into some games of it. Try out each faction. Try them out again after you've played the others and seen other people play them. I think you'll dig it.
@@MrJibbajabbawocky thanks for explaining! I'm definitely looking into buying it. I think I will try to either play it in a group of 4 or 6 since at 3 or 5 there will be an odd man out and this game is already so unforgiving being left to fend for oneself without a cool ability form an ally seems a very daunting prospect for new players.
Hey, the video started out good but the AI imagery started to become really distracting and unfortunately I don’t think I’ll finish the video as a result
What I don't see here is Progress...I don't really see winning and losing happening...I see people playing the rules to block or whatever but I'm not sure I see anything that would relate to actual warfare going on?? I feel like I'm seeing a "rules" game where there are all kinds of special occasion rules that don't necessarily model any particular reality....? no?
I played Bene Gesserit my first time, and predicted Fremen winning on a specific turn. After awhile, I was allied with the emperor and Fremen with Atreides. We were at basically a stalemate until I decided to throw a match with Atreides, causing that alliance to win on the turn I wanted. I will say, it probably helped that it was everyone else’s first time playing though, since they didn’t see that coming!
Emperor here. Thanks for the game, was a lot of fun! Great job editing, too!
7:45 "The objective here is not to win but make other miserable" Yep that's Dune allright.
How so?
What a great game that was. I'm glad we got to show off all the crazy things that make it such a unique experience.
Pidge here. Loved the classical music copium montage - pretty much exactly what was going on in my mind at the time XD
I have played this game a lot, and every time I play it, I learn new strategies. Guild is actually my favourite faction, because of their dominance in shipping.
This was an excellent showcase of the game....and one of the best uses of Truthtrance I have ever seen!
Emperor + Guild alliance will never not be terrifying. The sheer economic power is crazy, and in my experience requires careful and complex maneuvering by the other players to meaningfully stop.
It requires ALL of the other players to effectively stop.
Lore accurate
I’ve always been a big fan of Bene Gesserit + Harkonnen for a truly terrifying force in combat. Voicing opponents with double treachery cards and extra traitors is very scary.
Guild and Bene guesser it are also super annoying. Incredible movement combined with being almost impossible to get rid of is really good
I'm so glad this game has gotten more traction. I picked it up after seeing the MCDC plays a bit before new Dune movies came out. Such a fun deep game. Our play group loves Risk 2210 AD and this as our favorite longer form games
I was thinking "no dramatic use of Treachery cards?", then that Truthtrance clutch play blew my mind
Bro that is the most clever Truthtrance I've ever seen and I play a lot of Dune
What the intro taught me. In North America: Dune. In England: June.
fun video. I'm a little jealous. I've owned a copy of the original AH version for about 15 years and have tried unsuccessfully many times to get it on the table
Yeah it seems like a massive headache trying to find a big group to sit down and play such a long and complicated political game 😅
@orski78 thankfully dune imperium is a lot easier!
@@brendathorpe6179easier?
It's definitely less complex.@@markziff7234
Best video to get a taste of Dune gameplay for the uninitiated, thank you!
Covered the right amount of rules and game situations, while presenting an exciting experience. This is a fantastic format to make heavy games more approachable.
My godkids got me the Barnes/Noble edition for Christmas last year and I've read the rules, got confused...watched some YT vidoes, still confused but cleared some things up...saw this and like "Yep, all the negotiation and backstabbing, I'm awful at that so I'm gonna suck at this game."
Im amazed that the Bene Gesserit has such a high win rate. this game is truly astounding.
They have a few very sneaky special rules.
Definitely a bit late to this video, but after playing my first two games of Dune this weekend I've been on a kick. Just wanted to say I really enjoyed this video. It felt really well put together, and well-paced. I checked out a few other videos and i'm really glad I found you through these. I instantly heard Ludwig and Schlatt's musical emporium music and realized that your style of videos is very reminiscent to modern youtubers, which I don't often see in the board gaming community. So thank you so much for this awesome content!
Pidge’s partner here- i did not know this existed until they told me
edit: we played the boardgame version and my brain turned to soup
Truthtrance has a very devicive usage cases. Jack reda the expansion developer, comments on this card: "Lore-wise it's about past and present, and not about the future".I think it makes sense.
Nice overview and editing Orski, i got the game second hand a while ago and I have been meaning to play it for a while now, but never got around to playing it (high barrier of entry with player count, duration and complexity), it really seems like a game that I would like to play in real life as well (even though the TTS mod looks nice). Side question: Did you ever play any of the COIN games? (cuba libre, fire in the lake, andean abyss etc.) I recently got introduced to them and I've been greatly enjoying them, I think you'd like games like this as well! Cheers, Jan
Thank you! And no I haven’t, honestly haven’t heard of a single coin game before this comment
@@orski78 Ah they're all asymmetric war games, highligting certain wars with insurgents and COunter INsurgents (hence the name). If you wanna check it out, Cuba Libre (regarding the cuban revolution) is generally considered as a good starting point to the series.
Distant Plain is love.
Love your eddting.Played Atreides in this game and it was fun to rewatch
4:04 Can we talk about how the Atreide's leader changed after the reveal?
Your videos are great, you’re very entertaining to watch and give all your videos a great pacing. Hope to see more in the future!
Super fun video and very well edited, keep up the good work :)
Thank you! Will do!
@@orski78 This is coming at least also from a person that doesnt watch/play many bored games, but its really nice when you explain it and I think you do it in a very efficient but fun way. I might be the minority in viewership but I love seeing you play these new games and try them out :)
Nice! We had a similar first Dune game with an emperor/spacer victory final round.
I love Dune! It's so rough and the expanded factions offer an interesting twist. IMO, it's up there with Twilight Imperium for longform political games
I'm still waiting for someone to play with every faction in the Dune Game:
CHOAM
Emperor
Spacing Guild
Fremen
Ixian
Atreides
Moritani
Bene Gesserit
Ecaz
Tleilaxu
Harkonnen
Richese
I want to see all of them in one game XD
Cancer turn times unless they are all skilled
That's the stupidest idea I've heard in a while. Such a game can potentially make Twilight Imperium look like a short game.
@@AAhmou wow, someone needs to learn how to disagree without being a douchebag
Which TTS mod is this one? It looks pretty great
Ive only seen atomics used in live games, never in an a-sync game
Bene Gesserit voice forcing to play lasgun is homemade rule. In original game he can only force to play "non special weapon", while lasgun is a special weapon indeed.
Also firemen can go through storm easily.
Playing bene Gesserit for your first time is very difficult. Also the spacing guild is not a "bad" faction. Dune is more complicated than that.
Hosting a board game night with my neighbours and we’re playing this wish me luck lol
Nice! I remember playing a several hour long game for the guild to win too lol. My friends and I love this game, but I will be moving soon. What program did you use for online play? I’ll definitely want to use whatever you used so I can still play Dune with my friends online!
Hey the game is called tabletop simulator, you can find it on steam
I finally got to play this, we all fucking hated it, we didnt even finish the game. Immediately boxed it up and tossed it in the shed (Literally just threw everything back in the box by swiping it off the table)
How do you play online like this?
Wth how do I acccess this online version??
I would love to watch you play a game of Eclipse second dawn.
Where can i play classic dune with these guys? Is there a server in discord?
Yupp! Link to the discord is in in the video description
Not that deep. But it is very nice.
Where do you classic dune online ?
Isn't there a rule/errata/faq that "You can't ask questions about future with Truthtrance"?
Not that I’m aware of… if you could only ask questions about the past I’d imagine the card would lose all utility
You can ask such questions, but AFAIK "I don't know" is also a valid answer if it truthfully depends on currently unknown facts and intent. (No saying "I don't know" if you really did intent to attack Arrakeen next turn for example)
The card says "The player must answer "yes" or "no" truthfully."
From that I assume "I don't know" is not a valid answer. You can't even answer a Truthtrance question by saying something like "I'll blow it up if and only if the number of troops there is more than ..."
Asking questions about the future is explicitly allowed in the FAQ, just not questions that extend beyond the current turn.
@@matusabaffy9453 the I don't know answer is an errata for questions which you do not have enough information to answer like "will you ship to the territory I point to" or "will you answer yes to my next truthtrance"
Where do you find this game online?
This is why Guild victory condition is a must to be disabled xD.
I love this game! Had no idea there was a TTS mod 😂
I'd love to know which one they use. i found a couple but they are mostly bugged or have missing parts
congrats on the win...
Thanks!
That is an illegal use of TruthTrance... TruthTrance can't be asked of future moves... only current or pasted.
Best Dune board game....
Does this game work as well with 4 players, or is it worth holding off play until there are 6 players?
I think you can play with less than 6 players too.
4 is fun from what I remember, but don’t bother with 3 or less. The game ends way too quickly with 3 players, since one can just capture strongholds right off the bat and then with some luck, win immediately
That was an awesome video.
Thank you!
How do you play this on pc??
Can someone tell me we’re to get the online version
Table top simulator from the looks of it
Where can i download this game?
Such a nice, well done workshop. Can you share it?)
I don’t have the link available but if you search dune in the workshop it’s the one with ‘discord mod’ in the title
@@orski78 Thanks. Found it)
What software is this?
Tabletop simulator
What prevents this game from always turning into a 2v2 or 2v2v2 ?
Nothing, really. the newest expansion out soon will add some advantage to players who aren't in a faction. Remember, an unallied faction only needs 3 strongholds. (or their unique victory condition if they have one)
@@MrJibbajabbawocky hey, I’m really interest in this game, never played but i watched a few games online. It seems to me that being in an alliance is very strong and backstabbing organically is impossible since you can only break alliance during a worm event. This is surprising to me for a game about Dune.
The only times I’ve seen players break alliance is if their team mate became very weak or as Fremen they got an extra move from the worm and tried to capitalize on that to get a win. Am I correct?
@@ares106 Pretty much. You can break alliances if another faction has been having strong turns, and you want to ally with them, or you both control Strongholds and an alliance will win at the end of the round if nothing changes. You're always free to make deals and "ally" with people, even outside the Alliance mechanic... it just doesn't change either of your win conditions. The Traitor mechanic is a good rendition of the backstabbing you get in the book. Harkonnen get to keep ALL 4 of their traitors, instead of choosing just one. Dune is a game that changes based on what factions are involved, who's playing them and how the Traitors and Treachery cards pan out. It's worth picking up, since the base GF9 game is only 50 bucks and the expansions are 25. All the breakdowns I see of "What faction wins the most" are really reflections of that particular person's community. It's a meaty game. Get into some games of it. Try out each faction. Try them out again after you've played the others and seen other people play them. I think you'll dig it.
@@MrJibbajabbawocky thanks for explaining! I'm definitely looking into buying it. I think I will try to either play it in a group of 4 or 6 since at 3 or 5 there will be an odd man out and this game is already so unforgiving being left to fend for oneself without a cool ability form an ally seems a very daunting prospect for new players.
@ares106 the new expansion will help with the "lone wolf" player, but an even number of players is always the best way.
Pidge is the sort of person I'd never invite to another game again :)
Hey, the video started out good but the AI imagery started to become really distracting and unfortunately I don’t think I’ll finish the video as a result
What I don't see here is Progress...I don't really see winning and losing happening...I see people playing the rules to block or whatever but I'm not sure I see anything that would relate to actual warfare going on??
I feel like I'm seeing a "rules" game where there are all kinds of special occasion rules that don't necessarily model any particular reality....?
no?
People are really bad at playing Dune. It takes our 6 players 2 hours to complete this game on average.
Playing bene Gesserit for your first time is very difficult. Also the spacing guild is not a "bad" faction. Dune is more complicated than that.
I played Bene Gesserit my first time, and predicted Fremen winning on a specific turn. After awhile, I was allied with the emperor and Fremen with Atreides. We were at basically a stalemate until I decided to throw a match with Atreides, causing that alliance to win on the turn I wanted. I will say, it probably helped that it was everyone else’s first time playing though, since they didn’t see that coming!