So is this 100,300 mile eNV200 ready to be scrapped ?
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2020
- The all electric Nissan eNV200 24kWh 6.6kw Acenta van , we supplied this over 5 years ago with just 10 miles, now its just turned 100,000 miles with SOS office supplies here on Orkney.
Is it ready to be thrown away ?
Would running a Diesel NV200 have been cheaper ?
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For those who still think that diesel engines are long lasting and cheap to run , watch this !
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I heard a battery size tax is coming unfortunately :\
they use to be till technology overload. The new tech a joke tho Ford hybrid keeps breaking. Personally small business rather stick to diesel till a tech is proven -not just a vids from so called expert
I have an Env200 that's still used daily and has covered 177,000 miles. It was one of the first ones in the UK.
Thats brilliant Michelle , I know C&C taxis love the eNV200 combi van !
Wow...any maintenance to speak of?
Mine is a ‘16 plate on about 16k miles and seems to be worth more now than I paid for it when it was a year old!
What’s the battery like after that many miles still going strong?
@@moulehole7283 about 65 miles on a full charge
Michelle Williams awesome, I’m getting one.
My eNv200 is approching 70000miles. Had a bit over 60K on it when we bought it. Mine has roofbars on and stocked with tools & parts, so tend to be around 3.7MileskWh. Our old diesel averaged 13.5pmile for fuel (ignoring sericing etc) the electric 3.5pmile. on 14pkWh tarrif. Best thing abou it is how much more relaxing it is to drive! Particularly at the end of a busy day, or in heavy traffic etc.
Good video Jonathon, like the graphics and no wind!!
Fuel injectors don't usually fail under 100k miles. I've had diesel cars with over 200k on the original injectors. DPF for a Peugeot can easily last 170k miles, a new one is £110. Turbo's can easily last over 250k miles. What you didn't calculate is the depreciation costs, which is not the same diesel vs electric.
Yeah, new injectors was a bit harsh, but the general point that there is a load more stuff to go wrong is fair. In practice most of it will go wrong _after_ 5 years/100K.
You can count your filters and injectors whichever way you want - the fact is all diesels stink and I don’t want any near my house and kids. My neighbour had 8 yrs old Ford Focus and each time he fired up at 6:30 AM I could smell his fumes in the bedroom, even with windows closed.
You didn’t include a cam belt at 60000 miles, another £500.
I love my eNV200. I converted it to a lightweight camper and it costs so little to run. It’s the best vehicle I’ve ever owned, and I’ll never go back to ice 👍
They are great 👍
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Excellent analysis, Jonathan. Thank-you.
Nissan should have ramped up production and sales of the eNV200 around the world.
Many small business people love it and the cost savings on maintenance and fuel is great.
Kenz300 x British Gas have just leased 1000 of them. Hoping to get mine September
Nissan cant ramp up production of the eNV200 because cost of production is so high compared to the diesel NV200, I read some where that they only make £130 profit on each car they make.
@Wolfgang Preier lol the Cybertruck is a pickup no where near the capacity of a van! And you can buy a EV van now the Cybertruck is years away. Most who use the Nissan EV van use it in the city where range is less important. Also Nissan EV van costs £20,000 vs no real data on true cost of Cybertruck but expect it to cost at least £40,000. So sort of out of most people's price point for a EV van!
Thankyou Jonathan , that was magic , my ENV has only done 56k so far so shes a mere slip of a van, but ive worked out in a years time she will basically have paid for her self, love her to bits and every drive is a joy .......shes more like a mate than a van ...........
Loving the new popup graphics on your channel Jonathan. Looks very professional indeed 👌
Thank you for the great video, I was thinking of moving to Octopus energy so have used your referral🤑
May i ask for the MSRP of both the eNV200 and the diesel NV200 when they were new 5 years & 3 months ago? Curious to see when and how the eNV200 would be "leveled off" compare to the diesel cost.
Thanks a lot for confirming this is a good car to have! Looking at a second hand 40 kWh version with a lot more confidence now
Great video that’s the kind of analytic and visualisations I like. Worth the subscription
Thanks for watching , i filmed this a few years ago now !
This red eNV200 has 140k on the clock now , still going well for SOS he's now bought a 40kWh eNV200 to add to his red one.
Brilliant! Glad I stumbled across this channel! Looking to buy one of these to convert to a camper.
Thanks for watching 👀 🙂
Very good production values 👏
Shared on Twitter to my small group of followers 👍
We calculated similar figures for running our diesel Meriva over 5 years (think including purchase we calculated £17k for 60,000 miles)
Thanks 😊
Just watched a young couple who converted this van to a camper and have completed 63k miles including Europe.
Glyn hudson from Wales ?
Thanks for the video nice one
A very interesting video very good , thank you.
great comparison. Thanks.
Thanks for your comments, i appreciate it 😊
Just out of interest how long does a battery last before it needs replacing and how much would a new battery cost? What is the trade in value of an EV when a battery replacement is on the horizon.
Great video and nice to see the honest facts being clearly explained. Factor in that driving diesel engined cars also pollute the air we, our children and our grandchildren breath and it's simply a no-brainer.
Yes , even if evs cost more to run than diesel, we need to stop ruining the air we breathe, but you can save money and save our childrens childrens air !
@@JonathanPorterfield Just about to have solar panels installed, with battery storage and going to be getting my first EV next year when the PCP deal on my current hybrid comes to an end.
Getting quite spoilt for choice now as it seems all manufacturers have got big plans to convert their ranges from internal combustion to electric. Then hydrogen fuel cell some years after that I suppose?
@@dalroth10 yes lots of choice coming , i think hydrogen fuel cells wont make it into passenger cars , just heavy trucks, trains , ships etc.
Making your own fuel from wind or solar is here to stay, hydrogen is very electric power hungry to produce, just to turn it back into electricity to power a motor in a car.
LOl so you are going to replace all the HGV's on our roads with electrics? really?seriously? Don't get me wrong I run a hybrid but lets talk sense here when it comes to serious transport the diesel wins....Oh and what about the millions of container ships are they going electric too? And once we are all electric do you think the government will keep road tax at zero? I think not!!
@@wideyxyz2271 Actually, yes HGVs are being replaced by Electric... not just the Tesla Semi, but all the major HGV manufacturers now have EV cabs etc... and they can e.g. maintain 70MPH up-hill, as well as being significantly cheaper to run (based on initial results from companies running trials with them). As for ships - that's a bit trickier just due to range - they may end up using HFCs rather than Batteries - but some ships are already converting (or converted).
No doubt for this use case and most others the EV is cheaper. One aspect of price comparison I always see missing is the difference in insurance - about £1000/year more for an EV when I got some quotes earlier this year.
70k on our 2012 Leaf but new batteries in 2015. Only one bar loss! Bugger you Clarkson!
What's the purchase price of both from new, isn't that the total true cost ?
and for the true cost the resale value of an ev is much higher..
@@whocares264 would of thought lower as people are scared of second hand electric
Steve Simkins try driving on a 300 mile trip it’s a no go
@@keithteather7814 Not at all, just did it in my 80 mile range e-Golf a month ago. Fast charging makes it easy to do, especially with the newer EVs with longer range.
Well, consider the fact that the e-NV200 today starts around £20k and you'll quickly see that they'll have made a profit in those 5 years.
I have driven 270.000 km over 5 years with my Tesla. No service and free electricity.
Great video, excellent to see an example of a high millage e-VN200. Beautiful graphics and animations in the video, how did you make them?
Graphics from the brilliant ' mark ' ink sharkman !
I was going to ask the same thing! First time video, it adds to the fit and finish.
Good article. Regrettably your diesel is twice the cost of hours and your electricity half ours. Also as many delivery or commercial vehicles run more like 60000 km a year one would be paying a staff member wages to fill it up on a fast charger.
Sorry, how much did you say it would cost to replace a failed battery? I missed that bit.
Moving on, when petrol and diesel are no longer available, how do you think the government is going to plug the tax hole?
And you still can't help me, I frequently need to do up to 600 miles in a day... no time to recharge a battery.
I'm on 260,000 miles at the moment, no injector failures yet.
It's a city van! Also it's already paid it's purchase price and then some in fuel savings alone, yes in time it will need a new battery but in time the diesel will need a complete overhaul! The difference is that the EV owner will have saved another £16,000 in costs after another 5 years which can be used to buy a brand new EV and by then newer EV will be much cheaper and have much better even longer lasting batteries, just look at Tesla with their upcoming 1 million mile battery!
Fantastic report. True and honest right to the point. What a saving on running costs, staggering.Thank you for making the time to make such an great video.😎👍🏻
My daily driver is a 25 year-old E36 3 series BMW. I doubt any current electric vehicle will make it to even half that age. As soon as the battery pack needs replaced, and that cost is close to the value of the vehicle, it'll get broken/crushed regardless of its condition. The longer a vehicle exists, the greener it becomes.
Thank you
Brilliant. Watched from the US with envy. The eNV 200 is not sold here.
Thanks for your comments, I've no idea why nissan dont offer the eNV200 is the US ?
For people in London, where parking on the street is the norm..... 0.15p per kWh is hard to achieve. Multiplying your energy costs by 2 or 3 is more realistic.
Imagine a fleet of them with that type of savings.
You could also add add blue costs , add blue urea reservoir failure , oh yes 1200 pounds for a Peugeot replacement
@vega albin Depends. I had a new kenworth t409 and it killed 4 of them in less than 2 years. My current t610 hasn't killed any yet. They are hit and miss. Sometimes a failure can be the urea forming crystals in the injector or line and blocking it or the pump just fails compleatly.
Include remaining value of truck at 100.000 miles, with keeping in mind that the Diesel easily runs 200,000+ miles, while eNV-200 wouldl need new battery pack some time. (But I'd still buy the eNV-200 though)
Great video, really highlights the benefits of EVs
Check out part 2 as well !
@@JonathanPorterfield I’ll do that now
This was a classic case of someone who knew the point they wanted to make before they did the comparison. You'd make a good salesperson..
So the company SOS has bought another eNV200 to expand his fleet of vans , so yes it looks like the SOS business man is still 'blinkered by me 'the salesman' 🤪🤣🤣👍
Enjoyed the video with the exception the costs for the diesel and electric were hypothetical. I have operated a small fleet and when it comes to cost there is the yearly cost then the actual cost when the vehicle is replaced with depreciation and all repairs, insurance, licences etc. Live in Canada and many years back when diesel pick-ups were gaining popularity I replaced two vehicles per year, one petrol, one diesel and kept detailed costs. On yearly costs with just fuel diesels considerably cheaper.The overall operating of the four vehicles at the end of four years when replaced was not as high as I had been led to believe. I did standardise on the diesel as their was a cost saving but almost half of what I had been led to believe. Have to run the vehicles side by side then figure in the true costs for everything from purchase price to trade in value.
And this is where this video falls short in my mind. We are talking delivery vehicles and it should have been possible to have all costs for each one detailed. No estimates or saying this is what it may have cost for diesel or electricity. There should have been actual costs. I'm sure the electric would still have been the cheaper to operate but would it have been the same amount. And a clutch replacement in 160,000K?? I would be replacing the driver and maybe considering switching to an automatic.
At my age I don't think it will be a concern for me. There is going to be a time when the government is going to start putting taxes against electric vehicles. They have to pay for the road maintenance and new construction some how. In Canada a large portion of that revenue comes from the per litre tax we pay on fuel. And it will hit electric vehicles eventually. Same as it did for propane fuelled vehicles in Canada. One time using propane saved a lot of money when enough got converted they put a road tax on propane and within a few short years there was hardly anyone converting.
Will watch Richter's video now and see what his figures are.
Private automobiles inflict just slightly above zero wear-and-tear on the roads. Weather, especially in frigid latitudes, and heavy freight trucks inflict almost all user wear-and-tear on public roads.
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Not sure what you are getting at? All fuel diesel, petrol have road tax. Eventually when the government realises how much they are missing in road tax they will add a tax to electric vehicles. As for the damage to the roads yes heavy trucks do the most damage but all road users have to pay their share.
330,000 miles on my VW. Never a failed injector.
Thats great ! 👍
I drive nissan nv200 1,5 dci. It have 380 000 km on the clock. Up to this point, only oil changes, no injectors, no clutches needed. The best car i ever had. Still, if you are running 100 km route more or less as a routine .. electric aint bad choice at all.
That's impressive for a diesel van 👏
Very well made video. Thank you. Yes in Norway where I am electric is slowly taking over everything. 100.000 is 160934.4 Kilometres. 160 Miles here. I drive back and forth to work, so like, like 12000 Km a year. so I will have the car well over 13 years to reach that distance. But then I will save like 1.480 P a year in clean costs with your example.
Maybe Jonathan you get some more wievers on this fine vid if you change the heading, like " Here is why it is cheaper wirh EV vs Diesel" or something a bit more in the face like that ?
Your spot on, as business owners I think we need to get over the misconceptions around EV commercial vehicles. Even part replacement of a local dispatch fleet has significant cost savings over the years. Naturally we are not yet at the point of replacing vans that tow sizeable loads (like a car) but we are not too far off.
So the true cost savings when including purchase costs are about £5 grand when you compare the eNV200 with the NV250 both have 4.2 square metres of space. I wonder what the secondhand sale prices would be when you compare a EV to a Deisel. It was difficult, but I found 1 eNV200 20,000 miles £18k and a Deisel NV200 Crew Van at 18,000 miles £12k. Crew van tend to be more, so even in this comparison the eNV200 comes out at £6k higher in value. Total savings would be £11k hmmm. Any traders looking at this, I know some are not interested because of the max wieght on eNV200 tends to be lower!
A comparison is shown in the video.
Point well made. I noticed the Eco-Cars Leaf charging in Aberdeen yesterday, but it didn't look like you driving. 8-)
Nope not me, still trapped on orkney !
@@JonathanPorterfield There's worse places to be tipped, especially in the summer
Interesting that you said about Vauxhall injectors. I had them go on a Combo van quite quickly.
I ran a Mk3 transit for 150k miles. No new brakes, no new clutch, no new injectors.
@@ronnieg6358 No new brakes implies that you were doing mostly motorway driving (or a high proportion thereof)? Which might also explain the reduced wear on the other components too...
I like the comparison, but could you include the cost of buying the vehicle as well.
I did a follow-up video ...
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besides those details you should know that there are several companies that can give you a new BATTERY with 60 KW, that are not part of Nissan but work even better
My env200 have 208000km with 78,5% SOH, have to fix the right front wheel bearing, and the break pads, thats it
Great video. It does illustrate why the car manufacturers are so against electric vehicles. They want you to spend on spares, which is a massive industry, original parts or otherwise. And the independent garage industry will be out of business. So these guy have a massive motivation to slow the adoption of a technology which is cleaner, has a better driving experience and isn't costing a lot of money in repairs. So who's being ripped off?
That is one way they keep their car initial cost low. Just like HP used to sell printers below cost and then make money on refills.
Downtime when the diesel is being serviced/repaired? :(
I think there will be a few extra costs with the Acenta....and maybe a bit less costs with the diesel.......but overall I think going electric is winner winner chicken dinner
Wish i could get one here in the USA
Greetings from California. Repairs cannot be zero as you still need tires and brakes too.
True ! But no cambelt changes PDF filters, injectors , exhaust systems etc etc
Brakes ( pads ) on evs last around 100k miles !
@@JonathanPorterfield Your costs are still off especially here in California as electricity hit an all-time high. I'm using an older figure here: In California, the average kWh rate was 23.76 cents in November 2021, which would raise the monthly cost to charge an average EV to $66.53 per month. Thats at least a 39% increase in our electric bill. Electric rates just got another increase here in 2024. I read since EV's are heavier than fuel cars they require tires and brakes to be replaced much more frequently.
@philc.9280 see the date i shot the video ! The prices where correct at time of filming here in UK
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The benefit looks less attractive though still positive for the new buyer where the EV appears to be over £10k more expensive than a NV250 diesel. The 2015 2nd hand comparison you used means the 24kwh battery, which may have enough range for Orkney but less so other locations.
Keep the charge level between 30% and 70% and the eNV200 battery will never die.
atm electricity is cheaper during the night. but wait till millions of electric cars are plugging in on a night. the grid will need upgrading plus government will realise they are losing all that tax money on fuel. so it wil eventually all go up
Very true here in NZ diesel is not charging tax at the pump due to high farm use so we pay a road user charge currently $70 per 1000 km, at the moment EV are exempt from this RUC however after 2021 EV will pay this tax as well. As you say currently EV do not pay for their share of road repairs which eventually they will..
It will be fine, just look at Norway 70% of the vehicles are electric and their fine. And if it goes up just add solar.
@@frymate1261 Solar is extremely limited only perfect sunny days make enough power for anything useful and in most places winter is a killer for solar production. We have a 3.6kw system and on the perfect summer day with perfect sun it can make 30kwh, however in winter on a perfect day just 10kwh, cloudy day less than 5kwh. With an electric car with an average battery size of 60kwh winter and cloud makes charging a car almost pointless!
If you are lucky enough to live in Japan with the Chademo connection and have access to cheap night rate power then use that to charge the battery and whenever the car is at home due to Chademo two way power abilities, then use the cars battery for the expensive peak power times. That will save you a lot more than solar or an expensive home storage battery ever will!
@@frymate1261 Where did you get your BS about Norway having 70% all electric! If you bothered to do any research it's more like 10% which is one of the highest percentage of EV but no where near your BS 70%!
@@gregandkaruna6674- In the USA CHAdeMO is on non-Tesla quick charging everywhere. Medium charge and home trickle charge is SAE J1772.
Quick chargers are 440 volts 3 phase so unsuitable for home install. Regular charge is 240 volts 2 phase (120/120), uses 50 ampere supply. Plug-in models are becoming popular, plug in to USA standard 4 blade 50 amp range receptacle same as a kitchen range.
Trickle charge in N. America is 110-120 volts 15 amps circuit.
Leaf:
Quick charge from low charge warning (15%) to 80% - 30 min.
Normal charge from low charge warning to 100% - 4-7 hours
Trickle charge from 15% to 100% - ≈21 hours.
It's recommended not to go below 20% or above 80% for longer battery life.
Cracking video Jp. I think you were very generous with your diesel costings there, but as you say, nothing will beat an EV for cost to run.
captain pugwash - But this van is five years old, the diesel equivalent would be fuelled during that five years, not in the future. Even at £1.10 a litre, it's a lot cheaper!
Why should it need new injectors and servicing once a year? And why would you replace the DPF? Just give it a warm run once in a while! Are diesel vans taxed higher than cars? My 2 litre diesel is £160 a year!
@@computerbob06 tax is based on emissions so it depends on how much co2 the engine produces.
@captain pugwash- Iran isn't going to “behave” until the current tyrants are beheaded and a reasonable government established.
What is that humming noise comming from the EV200? correct me if im wrong but it sounds like transmision whine.
Seriously! Its the EV motor, most EV do not have a transmission just a single gear reduction direct drive, virtually maintenance free just the occasional gear reduction fluid change, I replaced mine at 50,000 km $30 cost.
How much more did the eNV cost over an NV200 back in 2015?
I totally believe you, lad. I will stick to electric cars and vans forever.
I like the comparison, but there are a few things
Insurance is usually more expensive for an EV
And battery replacement costs
But even then, I think you'll still be saving a lot more than the diesel counterpart
See my follow up video !
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What’s the noise at 2:00. The dsl heater ?
I’m changing from a vw caddy maxi diesel to an eVito. With the solar array on my roof, I’m reckoning it won’t cost me anything to run, except on longer journeys, which I seldom do between March and November, during my peak work months. My winter trips around Europe might need more planning than the previous years though.
Make sure your e vito has ccs rapid charging fitted , it wasn't standard on the early models.
@@JonathanPorterfield Yup, it's a brand new swanky model.
Great and really informative video. Many thanks.
Thanks for your comments 🙂
How are the leaf springs??
Interesting video although it is a little bias. I run an env200, average 3.2miles kw/h loaded and it costs £130/year to service. That said, a collegue has a nv200 diesel, same type of use, 35mpg! Great comparison though!
Forgot to say, i paid £12500 plus vat pre reg and it seems to be worth similar after nearly 4 years, unbelievable!!
@@abogas1 *biased
@ Apologies, sorry for the minor mistake offending you. Hope you understood the details though.
@@abogas1 It's a spelling correction.
@ yes….I got that.
Great comparison. To the doubters - yes, at present the purchase price makes the EV more expensive up front, but in the long run the operating cost differences make a compelling case. As time goes by, the diesel vehicles will become more expensive to own & operate, while the EVs will be cheaper. Time will tell...
jrb _sland. Another factor for business users is that with a diesel, if the van needs to be in the shop for repairs, you either have to rent or borrow a backup vehicle, or postpone deliveries. Either way, it's a costly inconvenience.
Have CTL batteries on my e expert and estimated 4m km.
Not disputing your figures,though think you leave off some likely cost over 100,000 miles.)but I have had a small diesel truck (Piaggio) for around 12 years ,bought used,and my running costs are no where near the figures you quote.
You also missed current 5 year old value of the vans. Thank you for your video!
It was shown in the graphics towards then end of the video
its Oct 2021 and electricity has shot up and no more cheap deals. so if i was to buy one now brand new i would just about break even at 100k miles when you factor in the cost to buy the env200 which is almost double the price of the diesel version. i looked into replacing my Tourneo Courier with an an e-nv but any saving is wiped out with the 28k cost to buy a new combi version. we're almost there but not quite for the average consumer.
if i ever start a business where i need a van i will definately be going electric
worth noting if you wish to keep the Nissan warranty for the first three years when the vehicle is new, you'll need to get the EV serviced with Nissan, and they charge much more than indicated in the video, with my Leaf it was £199 pa for a service.
Or use a HEVRA garage ! , and no warranty is invalid if not 'serviced,' at nissan dealer . ua-cam.com/video/Zi7r0Rtgs1g/v-deo.html
So, what are the costs of a new battery or motor?
You can clam the vat back on the diesel so less 20% straight away. I think a little negative towards the Diesel engine.Oh you can drive 400/500 miles straight. I think the env200 is fantastic for round and about thou. Be great to get a cheap one for the farms solar panels we have.
Here in Greece you also have to figure in the transmission costs per KWHour. The government which owns the transmission system tripled their prices for transmission fees for the grid after they were forced to sell off most of their power generating systems. There is also the VAT theft tax of 24% here on electric and grid fees.
What are these fees in the region where this vehicle works for transmission grid and taxes???
Here on the island of Crete it is profitable to instal ones own PV array with a 2KW wind turbine and LiFepo battery storage. Payback will come in approxamately 6 years. All the time you have no grid fees, taxes, surcharge for the government owned TV channels ( about as bad at the illegal British TV license) as well as the electricity. Another plus is there is very little down time due to grid problems one finds with a hob knobbed antiquated grid system.
great video and all is fine if you can afford one in the first place but the vast majority cannot
See my video from today !
A good test, I didn't realise the electric version is about the same price as the diesel. However one day once these do catch on fully, the government will have to tax electric to something of the same level as fuel and the advantages will then decline somewhat?
So you never used a charger other than your home charger? the entire time you have driven?
What battery failure or motors how much they cost
Just did a check, Nissan ENV 200 range starts from £32700. That's alot for a van, I guess the red paint is more expensive than standard white. If they were so cheap to have then I expect all people with white vans would trade in for these red vans...
Please watch my follow up video !
How much is the EV van to purchase new compared to the diesel van? and what is the range on a charge? Or in othetwords unless you only deliver 20 miles up the road and back is the E van practicle. . . Can it be driven 250+ miles a day?
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That’s a very old pic of a young Mr. Clarkson.
It's a long while since most people have seen him on Top Gear, and most will not pay to watch him online. That shot might be from an episode in which he disparaged an EV.
Looking for a mid size electric van but cant find one with a good range 100miles would not get me halfway each day ?
get tesla. 400 miles
Just wanted to add that any ice vehicle looses power as compression gets worse and piston are clogged over time. But I'm guessing that the torque in an ev doesn't change at all.
EV torque doesn't - the equivalent for EVs is range-loss due to battery degradation... and once degradation is sufficiently progressed, that could affect power just due to reduced energy output from the battery pack.
What was the difference in the initial cost ? That's the big question .
you didn't mention the Co2 savings
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Wondering how many miles driven per day, need to charge each day? Time to charge, driver's idle time charge?
This business charges when the van is not in use , ie in between deliveries and or whilst he is closed and asleep.
Miles per day ? Well over 120k miles now , and he now has another eNV200 40kWh thats joined his expanding business, so it works for him 😉
Would be nice if you did one on the new townstar l2. And did the 8 by 4 sheet challenge on it
I woud've added in a DMF on the diesel van. relative values and life expectancy would have to come into it People rarely buy a diesel van and expect to throw it away after 100k. Of course the higher the mileage goes the closer you are getting into having to price in the cost of a replacement battery.....Plus alot of commercial vehicles would do more than 20k pa
Whats the purchase price e difference? Did I miss that?
Don't forget the price of an ev box installation at home and the upgrade of electricity power for home.
For exemple :
For a ioniq 28 it's not necessary but for a car or a van consume more energy I think it's necessary to have full battery every morning.
I have a new Vivaro-e 75kWh for work with is basic original 3 pin charger (1,65kW/h) he charge at 3,75miles par hour, that's ridiculous.
In 10 hours that's give me only 37,5 miles every night.
The ioniq 28 was charging at 2,3kW par hour, with battery empty in 12-13 hours the battery was full.
We had yet an E-C4 witch consume about 30% more energy to do same milage and charge 30% slower.
The Vivaro consume about twice or more as ioniq 28 and power charge is 30% slower.
Result I have to buy a box (cost) an upgrade the power of home.
Sorry for my English I'm French.
What was the initial cost of the electric van vs a diesel one?
Edd Horse NV200 is £19,392 vs e-NV200 is £20,005
@captain pugwash that is for the combi (seats & windows) version (30,000 - 34,000) the van is £20,005 - 22,665
captain pugwash here www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/e-nv200.html
captain pugwash With VAT Diesel= £23270 Electric= £24006
captain pugwash It’s the Combi Van Version NOT the 2 seater version www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/201912185431880?model=E-NV200&advertising-location=at_vans&make=NISSAN&sort=supplied-price-desc&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=sy109pu&radius=1500&page=1
You can get a Nissan e-NV200 80kW Acenta Van Auto 40kWh for less than £19k +VAT
www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/201905157977996?model=E-NV200&advertising-location=at_vans&make=NISSAN&sort=supplied-price-desc&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=sy109pu&radius=1500&page=6
Getting a around town diesel van to 100,000 miles without some of the complicated gubbins diesel vans have to have needing replacement at much cost is very unlikely.
What about purchase and resale value?
Thank you for this. The repairs on both vehicles seem unrealistic. My clutches all last longer than yours. No repairs on a Nissan ev over 5 years? Those electric motors and brakes must surely fail sometimes.
A clutch after 100,000 miles of city driving sounds about right to me. The electric motor in these are way overbuilt (~270hp class motor run at only 110hp) and will easily last the life of the vehicle, and due to regenerative braking doing most of the work brakes on EVs have been known to last 10x as long as a normal car or longer. My Nissan Leaf is at 63,000 miles and still has a lot of life left on the brake pads and rotors.
What was the difference in cost between the eNV200 and NV200 at the same time new?
See part 2 ! ua-cam.com/video/V6FilMhjrFI/v-deo.html
@@JonathanPorterfield I watched your second part. So a vehicle with a retail cost of around £31,000, you sold for under £15,000 new? That seems too good to be true. I was looking for a used eNV200 to create a campervan in 2017 and had to go for an NV200 as the price difference between the 2 was £6000. The NV200 being the cheaper and slightly newer model.