What's scary is that many people, especially older folks who have towed for years don't care about payload and never look at it when towing. They say, " I've been doing it for years and i know it will work". Then you see them towing a 5th wheel that's sagging the truck with 5 kids in the truck. It's scary how many people out there in the highway driving this way.
Exactly! I hear that all the time from truck owners without realizing they're pulling too much and then wondering why they run into powertrain issues. Then you get people towing the max without any sort of weight distribution setup.. recipe for disaster
You're welcome! Good thing you looked at numbers. I've seen people assume the F150 is enough... only to hold their heads down as they go back to the dealer for a SuperDuty
@@CarsWithSteve yeah I see so many people ignore or just not aware that the are overloading their trucks with campers. Some camper dealers tell you all you need are air bags & e rated tires but that does nothing to increase payload.
Thanks for this Steve. I have a 2022 F350 Powerstroke 6.7 CCLB on order since January after trading in a 2020 F250 6.7 HD CCSB. Despite the 250's 2,840 lb payload, it wasn't enough. I spent an enormous amount of time considering all the trade off's against payload when ordering the 350, and I can tell you one thing Ford does a terrible job of is clearly communicating your payload as options are added. One thing Ford's configuration site does not communicate at all is the fact a 350 long bed ordered with no payload derate option will come with a 12,400 GVWR whereas short bed's has a 11,500 lb GVWR. Due to the long bed's added weight, the payload nets out about 700 lbs higher than an equally equipped short bed. Honestly, I am not sure why the long bed is assigned a higher max GVWR. By the way, I thought all occupants are considered payload and only a full fuel tank is not added payload.
You're welcome Leo! Curious, does your SuperDuty have a build date yet? Agree with you on the transparency in payload, it's one thing in trucks that should be spelled out clearly when ordering. The payload with occupants is interesting. I always thought payload was all seats filled but it's not. The Ford tow guides say that towing is based on a 150lb driver and passenger in available seats but in the SuperDuty payload guide says "Maximum payload capabilities are for properly equipped base vehicles with required equipment and a 150-lb. driver and vary based on cargo, vehicle configuration, accessories and number of passengers." The way that translates is towing numbers are based on 3 - 6 passengers (depending on configuration) but payload is only based on a single 150 lb driver and a stripped down truck. Either way, it shouldn't be this challenging for people to figure out payload numbers
@@CarsWithSteve I'm January 30th order date on a F350 XL DRW 7.3 gas with 8' bed and crewcab but with every single upgrade you can throw in it. Dealer told me taking off 5th wheel, bed liner and bed cover would reduce the build time. As of now its going to a December truck and with things going they said it might get pushed into being a 2023 model instead of a 2022.
@@devonm5037 Bed liner and bed cover would definitely make sense to remove. Aftermarket LineX bedliner is twice as thick as the factory one There are some good aftermarket 5th wheel packages you could look into as well if you need it sooner. I think if it's not assembled until December you're definitely looking at a 2023 model
@@CarsWithSteve Yup! If I actually needed it I'd remove it all but im fine with waiting. At least this way everything is under Ford and im not jumping to each manufacturer for problems like I am/was with my current vehicle and the after market add ons.
Thanks! And it's not on either sticker.. the yellow payload sticker has the seating capacity, payload and tire pressure while the white sticker has the axle weight ratings, VIN and build basics
You can turn off Auto Regen in the cluster screen if you want to manually start DPF refen. If you don't have that option you'd need to have your dealer activate it or do it yourself using Forscan. Once Auto Regen is turned off you'll have a message pop up on screen when the filter is near or at saturation prompting the need to initiate cleaning. Hope this helps!
What's scary is that many people, especially older folks who have towed for years don't care about payload and never look at it when towing. They say, " I've been doing it for years and i know it will work". Then you see them towing a 5th wheel that's sagging the truck with 5 kids in the truck. It's scary how many people out there in the highway driving this way.
Exactly! I hear that all the time from truck owners without realizing they're pulling too much and then wondering why they run into powertrain issues. Then you get people towing the max without any sort of weight distribution setup.. recipe for disaster
Thanks I'm getting an F250 to carry a camper, the F150 cant handle it. good video
You're welcome! Good thing you looked at numbers. I've seen people assume the F150 is enough... only to hold their heads down as they go back to the dealer for a SuperDuty
@@CarsWithSteve yeah I see so many people ignore or just not aware that the are overloading their trucks with campers. Some camper dealers tell you all you need are air bags & e rated tires but that does nothing to increase payload.
@@WeAreGodsInFormation haha what great info camper dealers give 🤪 What build do you think you're going for on your SuperDuty?
@@CarsWithSteve F250 XLT 6ft Fx4 with just the basics
@@WeAreGodsInFormation the basics are all you need but the XLT is a pretty underrated trim level. Enjoy the truck!
Thanks for this Steve. I have a 2022 F350 Powerstroke 6.7 CCLB on order since January after trading in a 2020 F250 6.7 HD CCSB. Despite the 250's 2,840 lb payload, it wasn't enough. I spent an enormous amount of time considering all the trade off's against payload when ordering the 350, and I can tell you one thing Ford does a terrible job of is clearly communicating your payload as options are added. One thing Ford's configuration site does not communicate at all is the fact a 350 long bed ordered with no payload derate option will come with a 12,400 GVWR whereas short bed's has a 11,500 lb GVWR. Due to the long bed's added weight, the payload nets out about 700 lbs higher than an equally equipped short bed. Honestly, I am not sure why the long bed is assigned a higher max GVWR. By the way, I thought all occupants are considered payload and only a full fuel tank is not added payload.
You're welcome Leo! Curious, does your SuperDuty have a build date yet?
Agree with you on the transparency in payload, it's one thing in trucks that should be spelled out clearly when ordering. The payload with occupants is interesting. I always thought payload was all seats filled but it's not. The Ford tow guides say that towing is based on a 150lb driver and passenger in available seats but in the SuperDuty payload guide says
"Maximum payload capabilities are for properly equipped base vehicles with required equipment and a 150-lb. driver and vary based on cargo, vehicle configuration, accessories and number of passengers."
The way that translates is towing numbers are based on 3 - 6 passengers (depending on configuration) but payload is only based on a single 150 lb driver and a stripped down truck. Either way, it shouldn't be this challenging for people to figure out payload numbers
@@CarsWithSteve I'm January 30th order date on a F350 XL DRW 7.3 gas with 8' bed and crewcab but with every single upgrade you can throw in it.
Dealer told me taking off 5th wheel, bed liner and bed cover would reduce the build time. As of now its going to a December truck and with things going they said it might get pushed into being a 2023 model instead of a 2022.
@@devonm5037 Bed liner and bed cover would definitely make sense to remove. Aftermarket LineX bedliner is twice as thick as the factory one
There are some good aftermarket 5th wheel packages you could look into as well if you need it sooner. I think if it's not assembled until December you're definitely looking at a 2023 model
@@CarsWithSteve Yup!
If I actually needed it I'd remove it all but im fine with waiting. At least this way everything is under Ford and im not jumping to each manufacturer for problems like I am/was with my current vehicle and the after market add ons.
@@devonm5037 That's a good point. Hopefully you see it sooner than later!
The standard receiver on new F-250's is 3" , the factory sends insert's to reduce the receiver size to 2.5 and 2.25.
Thanks for clarifying!
Awesome video! Thanks so much. Keep it up.
Thanks Mark, appreciate that!
Is engine fluid, fuel and DEF included on the payload door sticker? Awesome Vid!
Thanks! And it's not on either sticker.. the yellow payload sticker has the seating capacity, payload and tire pressure while the white sticker has the axle weight ratings, VIN and build basics
Love your content and glad I could support you Steve love your channel keep going man
Thanks Harpreet, appreciate that!
Do you know anything about the camper package when building the F-250 XLT on Ford's website? BTW love the videos!
Thanks Trenton! What info are you looking for on the camper package?
Hi Steve Can You Make The 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L
Yes, have that on the list to shoot once it at my local dealer!
@@CarsWithSteve Thank You
Informative awesome video subscribed
Thanks Jay, appreciated that!
I see on the upper left a mavic air 2. 🤔.cool
Hah good eye, picked it up a few months back and have been playing with drone shooting since!
Basically, if you're using for family towing a trailer, the gas engine is better since diesel engines remove almost 1000lbs of payload.
Good recommendation. I'll make sure to mention that in the 2023 version!
is there a way to manually start the DPF regeneration? it starts just when I am arriving at my destination
You can turn off Auto Regen in the cluster screen if you want to manually start DPF refen. If you don't have that option you'd need to have your dealer activate it or do it yourself using Forscan.
Once Auto Regen is turned off you'll have a message pop up on screen when the filter is near or at saturation prompting the need to initiate cleaning.
Hope this helps!