Very well done. Great pace, great energy. I only wanted to know the info about the rear end but was absolutely engaged the entire video & learned so much!
The 6R140 is a durable transmission. We have three in our fleet, used to toe in excess of 10,000 lbs. Never had a problem, no overheating. Our 2015 F250 w/ 6.7l diesel has over 375,000, sill pulls strong. Hope the 10R140 proves as reliable.
In your humble opinion, what are the best years for f250/350's? Found a 2015 with 100k.miles (350 gas). I've seen this back and forth battle over fuel vs diesel. It's a tough decision.
Great video. There are LOTS OF US out here maintaining complicated spreadsheets with what years have which axles, rear ends, transmissions, frame construction, etc. The manufacturers make it nearly impossible to get the info. Most of us have MORE info than the dealers know, and quite frankly it's the reason people buy the wrong vehicle and end up unsafe. Bottom line for the manufacturers if you are listening, we care! If there are differences in the design/build of the 10 speed transmission in 2 different configs, or frame reinforcements, etc for example... make the info available for informed buying decisions! Appreciate the video!
Well stated. Unfortunately, the 2nd hand market is more savvy regarding components. Sure would be nice if manufacturers make detailed specification sheets available...
What’s a reliable forum I can look into to gain more knowledge on the differences between them. I am in the market for a used truck and want to figure out what’s the best configuration to look for
I have had 3 Ford F250's for over 20 years. If you look at ordering brakes, the replacement brakes for 250 and 350 are the same for the 99, 2004 and 2012. The camper package, 2WD, puts 350 coils up front and an overload on the rear leafs. The camper package also has a higher amp rating regulator into the 7 pin trailer plug. Ford won't say what. Puzzling. On our present 250, I have an aftermarket Hellwig big ass rear anti sway, which is much better than stock anti sway, when you have a 2300 lb. TC on the back with another 5-700 lbs. of load. The 350 has one more leaf on rear. We put Airlift 5000's on rear which work great to raise back a little, but mostly gives better ride. We prefer 2WD to keep load rating higher. . The info you provided about the labels load ratings being there for private vs. commercial was new. Verrrry interesting. To me, the Sterling vs. Dana differences seem to be made for off road, or extreme heavy commercial pulling. I drive very gently with the camper on, and have NEVER had any drivetrain problems with the 250. Synthetic lubricants all the way thru, changed often. The stock shocks are exactly the same ride control as Bilsteins for 2WD. Rancho's are better loaded bounce control. We have had 170,000 miles on the '99, 75,000 miles on the '04 and 230,000 on the '10. About 25% of the milage on all have been with camper on. The Ford 2-350 are excellent platforms, and why manufacturers play a shell game with specific mechanical and electrical info is a mystery to me.
The biggest difference I see between the two trucks is payload capacity. Depending on the configuration, you can get an additional 1,000lbs of payload capacity. Payload capacity jumps significantly for the DWR option (7,500lbs).
With my f250 6.7 I had to register it to what weight I would pull, I didn’t go full towing weight but went high enough for when we upgrade to a 5th wheel. The powerstroke is an absolute beast for towing, love it.
I have an 01 F250 with a V 10 gas. Only issues I've had it burns oil. 160k, and I've put them all on it. Pulled my camper, boat and now my tractor. Pulls great
@@TruckCamper I should say I did have a spark plug blow out of the head in the middle of the Utah desert with a boat in tow on way to Lake Powell, Very expensive repair
Actually, the 6.7l diesel f250 comes standard with the STERLING AXLE! that has the 10k gvwr! If u get the heavy duty tow option u get the dana axle! Which has 10800 gvwr! Which is the f350 axle and springs. So the f250 can be optioned with a 350 axle and springs. The tires become the limitation at that point. The 250 has 65psi. F350 comes with same tire but 80psi. Hence f250 with 10800 gvwr vs f350 11400. All with the same axle and springs! This is why u see 90% f250 sold. This trick keeps the insurance down for owner.
Can you get E rated tires? They are designed for towing and mine run 80 psi... I even put e rated tires on mini van I tow a cargo trailer - 50psi vs. 35psi regular tire pressure.
I'm looking at the Ford website maximum loaded trailer weight charts for the F250 (p.25) and F350 (p.27). For the Crew Cab, 4x2, 6 3/4 box, max wt. carrying is the same for the 6.2L engine and 3.73 axle ratio. SAME? GCWR Combined weight of vehicle and trailer SAME? Actual numbers depend on individual truck trims, of course. Am I understanding this to mean no difference in this engine/axle ratio tow capacity for the F250 and F350 for the 6.2L gas with 3.73 axle ratio?
That is correct. These trucks really could be the same. Biggest difference is that F350 can increase the GVWR to 11,800. Where F250 is 10k. This is mostly due to truck classification and certain states require F350 to be commercial. But your actual components are nearly all the same. You can option an F250 to have the exact same parts as the F350 (3" receiver hitch and extra leaf spring). Rather interesting and confusing!!
@@TruckCamper So, it's the F350 bolt on capacity that may or may not make it beefier? Even that seems to take a fair amount of study for us not-so-mechanically inclined. All the other internet reviews mention range of potential load capacities as the difference in the F250 and F350. But if you look at similarly outfitted F250 and F350 they are remarkably equal.
@@wayneblanchard4347 Most focus on the GVWR differences which is a sticker. This video was focused on actual physical differences which is very little... and depending on configuration you get the same ratings.
In CA (of course) 3/4 ton trucks are considered commercial by the DMV as well. In my experience (personal and anecdotal), CA drivers can expect to pay around $300 annually to register a 1/2 ton (non-commercial), $800 to register a 3/4 ton. and $1500 to register a 1 ton. The cost of registration for 1 tons is anecdotal info from a friend of mine, but it does not surprise me as the state will squeeze you any way they can. CA will allow you to reduce your commercial registration to non-commercial registration if you promise to keep a truck camper on the truck full-time. If you do this to save $500-$1200 a year in registration, but dare to ever remove the camper and get caught by CHP, you will be fined heavily. Another fun CA thing: New gas vehicles are exempt from smog testing for the first 6 years. New diesels are not allowed this exemption. So in addition to having to have complicated exhaust systems with enough tech to launch a space shuttle, new diesel owners will have to start smogging their new trucks the second year they own it. This is most likely a way to stick it to the guys who delete their diesel exhaust systems. So like many things in CA, the majority of new diesel owners who leave their exhaust stock have to pay more so the state can catch a few eco-criminals. But wait, there's more....if you have a new diesel and don't want to smog it, you can pay a low low fee of just $25 bucks to bypass the need to smog it. So the end result of a program purported to require people to pay a privately owned auto shop to test their emissions for $50-$100 can opt out of the test by sending $25 directly to the state so they can spend it on "pollution mitigation", which I'm sure does not involve croneyism and corrupt private contractor selections in any way, at all, whatsoever. Anyone who does not live in CA should look carefully at what has happened here and pay very close attention to what is on their ballots. These bureaucratic false-logic loops govern just about every aspect of life here, and the only thing they are effective at doing is siphoning off money from the people.
The GVWR will legally allow you to haul/load more. If you upgrade your f250 that’s awesome but your still bound by the GVWR it won’t increase your capacity and your subject to fines at a DOT inspection/weigh station.
@@TruckCamper Completely agree with @Humblescape here. You have to abide by the registered GVWR of the truck even if upgrading all the right parts to allow you to tow/haul more. Even if non-commercial vehicles are "unlikely" to be weighed, the issue becomes apparent if you are involved in an accident and it is determined that vehicle overload was suspected in causing the accident. You could potentially be facing severe fines and/or jail time. Always stay within the registered GVWR. With that said, why would you upgrade suspension parts to more heavy duty if the goal is not to tow/haul more?
@@chrisbland5657 Simple. Stock suspension on either truck is terrible! I'd upgrade either one. I'm not recommending to be unsafe or overload. The point is that the truck difference is mostly a sticker and governmental rating rather than capability or component differences. Staying within sticker doesn't guarantee safety. Realistically these trucks need upgrades to handle the rated weights safely (in my opinion).
I had a '21 F-350 with a camper on it similar to yours. It was totaled in an horrific accident. I'm going to be buying a new rig, but this time I'm going with the 250 like you did...primarily because I'll replace the springs. The only other difference between these two trucks aside from those you pointed out is the trailer hitch. The ones on the 350 is considerably more stout...class 5.
You are correct. It may be possible to configure the F250 with the bigger hitch but I haven't played with the build configuration for a bit. Good feedback. 👍
@@panthermartin7784 then that may have come that way with anticipation of putting a sander/salter in the rear. There are a couple spec packages/options you can get.
The dually and the springs/blocks are a major difference. With the diesel the 350 is rated to tow 24,000 with bumper pull vs 19,000 for the 250. Big difference, especially if you’re doing dump trailer type work or don’t want to use a GN or 5th wheel to pull a camper. The dually’s allow for the higher axle ratio not to mention more ground contact for more secure towing. If you’re gonna haul real stuff than get the 350 dually. It won’t even start to feel funny while you’re behind the wheel, it’ll just take it like it’s not there
I ordered a 2020 F-250 7.3 gas 4.30 gears. Then decided I needed more payload just in case I get a heavier RV so I order a F-350 identical to the F-250. When they came in the 250 had 2935 lbs. of payload the 350 has 4364 1429 lbs difference not bad.
Wow! That's a huge jump in payload. It's nice to have the higher weight sticker... although crazy the only difference to carry the load is the leaf springs. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
@@atvtinker01 Front axle is exactly the same. Rear is the same unless you get the 6.2L which has the "smaller" Sterling 10.5. The Sterling axle is far from weak the manufacturer Visteon rates it to carry a max load of 9,750 lbs. Way over any weight rating limits that Ford gives. There just isn't much different between the two models anymore. Both have massive capacities...
I would have appreciated if you could have mentioned the older models specs....my truck is a 2015 F350 diesel. The 6.7 diesel has been used since 2011.
I see that you did shoot this video 3 years ago. Do you still have your F-250 and if so, how has it been holding up? I have a '17 F-250 XLT, 6.2L, 6-speed I purchased new and it has been fantastic. Other than the death wobble which has been corrected and a coil pack going south, this thing has been pretty bulletproof.
It’s about time ford got rid of that sterling axle it was just a weak axle in my opinion when it came down to towing but now that they upgraded to a Dana rear axle I’ve driven the trucks at my job with the new Dana axle and they just has more pulling power from the bottom end and what’s crazy is that the truck lugs in 6 gear even going up hill with about 22,000 pounds behind it and has enough torque to just pull through thanks to that bigger ring ratio. When it came down to towing Gm and ram trucks where always my preference not just cause of the AAM rear axle which is a strong axle for towing but gm trucks and Ram’s transmission’s actually downshift well and properly and have a good exhaust brake
Thanks for sharing your experience! Ford is still using the Sterling axle but the Dana axle is included with the diesel and F350 versions. The Sterling axle has been around for a long time and certainly isn't weak with a 9,500lb load rating. However the Dana axle is much beefier. I agree that having the 4.30 axle gear option factory is excellent. Have you had issues with the Sterling axle failing?
The salesman will tell you that a 350 will pull more than a 250 and all this information has been my argument from the start on the diesel units. Change leaf springs and its no difference. Same engine same transmission. Way less money.
Sales people need to get educated. Ford specs show the SRW F250 / F350 (bumper pull) is the same for most configurations with slight variations. Rather interesting...
F250 has two axle options - standard axle is 3.5” Sterling and if you select the ‘Axle Upgrade/Heavy Duty Tow Pkg’ you get the 4” Dana M275 that is standard on the F350. This pkg also includes the 3” receiver instead of the 2.5”. The purpose of this upgrade for F250 is that it increases payload ~700lbs depending on your configuration. E.g., 2020 F250 Platinum = ~1,900lbs payload standard & ~2,600lbs with the axle upgrade. In my opinion, every F250 should be equipped with the M275 because it increases your payload and towing capacity while maintaining the softer ride characteristics of the F250 (2-leaf main springs vs. 3-lead main springs on an F350). However, if you are going to be towing a fifth-wheel, it’s likely an F350 will be what you require due to most pin weights being 2,000+lbs prior to adding batteries, generator, water, and trailer contents. Keep in mind an F350 SRW Platinum has a payload of ~3,300lbs.
Good info... the interesting thing is the Sterling axle is rated to carry 9,700lb load. So way over how Ford rates it. Both axles are overkill for how Ford rates payloaf.
@@TruckCamper I’ve updated my previous comment, but I would refrain from making statements such as ‘overkill’. That’s entirely subjective and the axles ratings are derived from many factors including safety and reliability. Can you put 5,000lbs in a standard F250? Yes. There are videos on UA-cam of exactly that, but just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
I bought a 2020 F250 with the 6.2 diesel back in November, it's a beast. I've had GMC vehicles in the past , always 1500s, our local GMC didn't even have a 2500 on the lot when we began shopping. I had truck fever so waiting wasn't an option, we looked at Rams and Fords. We went with the Ford mainly because we were told they held their value much better. I'm so happy things worked like they did, I couldn't be happier with the truck. The best truck I've ever had , I love this truck. Like I said, it's a beast with power to spare.
Did you mention the hitch receiver? F250 standard is a 2.5” hitch receiver and f350 standard is 3” hitch receiver. The high capacity towing package on the f250 that requires the Diesel engine upgrade includes a 3” hitch receiver.
Maybe you have a different video about this, but I was wondering: You said you have the 6.2 so that is the Gas v8 right? Can you tell me why you chose that over Diesel? I want to buy a truck and camper, but also have a trailer with 2 snowmobiles, so I am thinking I might need the 6.7. Thanks for the informative yet funny videos.
Yes. 6.2L gasser. Love it. Plenty of power we frequently tow our 14ft enclosed trailer for house projects with the camper. Easily handles the load. Biggest advantages: less initial cost, less weight (800lbs), less ownership cost, less maintenance. And it's a decade old motor that is extremely proven and reliable. Unless towing over 20k lbs... gasser is a great option. 7.3L has potential to be excellent... but not proven yet. I'd buy after another 5-10 years. I like old reliable, boring things that work. Hope that helps! Thanks for sharing.
@@TruckCamper Ok! This is really helpful and opens up some of options for me. My trailer fully loaded would never exceed 4000 lbs, so it just might work fine with a gas 250. I also live in Winter Park, Colorado and mornings are often -10f, so starting the diesel in the cold is a concern. I could take the 8-12$ saved annd put it towards suspension upgrades or the camper. Thanks for the tip.
@@shottyotter my Honda odyssey mini van touring model has a tow rating of 3500 pounds. I tow a loaded 5x8 cargo trailer with it no problem. 140,000+ miles on van. I think some dodge Durango have some decent tow specs, but I don't know if pu trucks have a wider wheelbase/stance for more stability? I just bought a 15 6.7L f350 2wd reg cab diesel. Plan to tow across country.
@@TruckCamper same here. Many service body trucks with the 6.2l north of 300,000 still on the road with the 6.2L. Reliability & service cost win the day in my book.
Good job I think you might have changed my mind. I'm in the market for a new truck I was thinking about the F350. I need to rethink that thank you keep up the good work
@@charlesgoehring3445 Most of it is not. There are no detail specs on model of transmission, axles or drivetrain differences. They would be wise to show exact differences.
I heard the basic difference was the rear spring pack and differential. Other then that they’re identical trucks. As a result of the different rear springs and gears the 350 has a higher payload Also if you’re going to go with an f350 dually. You might want to get an f450 dually. Because the 450 has a wide track front axle and has a tighter turning radius
Perfect summation of the differences. Thank you! Confirms for me that the 250 is what I’ll be ordering. Thank you for taking the time to create this. Perfect.
@@rickmatz4456 Good advice on the 4.30 gears with gas motor. Great low cost, high value option. Insurance varies by state so really need to check. Resale difference is similar to price difference. Thanks for sharing!
Hell no, the dmv tried to pull that one on me saying my truck was 10,500 so I had to prove to them through copious amounts of paper work it was actually 9,500 The difference in price was $800 vs $240, just to put plates on the dam thing. Never again will I buy a 1 ton lol.
The most common difference between 3/4 Ton and 1 Ton trucks from all the different manufacturers all the way back to the late 80s has been the rear leaf pack is designed to handle more payload (more leafs or a different pack all together). There sometimes is alittle different gear ratios, but allways the rear leafs packs
That is a common difference. But every manufacturer is different and the differences change depending on the year. The current 2017+ Super Duty can essentially be the same (even the leaf springs) depending on options. Biggest difference is the sticker GVWR being over or under 10k. Thanks for sharing!
I bought a F250 2020 6.7L diesel 4x4 in July. There were NO F350s to be had in SoCal because of Covid19, and very few F250s. After seeing your video I'm glad we didn't spend the extra for it, thanks for your info!
I’ve been spoiled the past couple decades with full floats in front & rear, with a solid axel up front. Does the 250 have these two important features? How bout the 350?
Yes. The Sterling 10.5" rear axle is full float. Same with the high pinion Dana 60 front axle. Same axles for the F350. New Super Duty have Dana rear axle. Dually has different rear axle (all full float).
I’m surprised ford is so secretive about their axles. Now I just wish they’d go back to old school lock out hubs in front. Hmmmmm 250/350? I’m not sure yet. Campers gonna be about 2300 lbs max.
@rubicondon04 You're in luck. All the high pinion Dana 60 front axles have manual hubs. However they are also vacuum operated... so you can engage manually outside by turning the dial or automatically inside. They work great (watch our off road videos)
Similar in NH for the state portion of the registration. Town portion varies. My town does it based on base MSRP depreciated by year. Long story short if I have a new vehicle I have 13 car payments a year, not 12.
I bought a 2020 F350 SRW short bed Supercab 4WD. In a 6.75 foot bet pickup, you can spec 11,400# GVWR with the diesel engine in a F 350, but limited to 9990# in a F250 or F350 gasser. With the Camper Package, GVWR increases to 11,500#. I have a truck camper and the additional payload was worth the price difference. With an 8 foot bed, you can get up to 11,500# GVWR with any engine, but I did not want the 8 foot bed.
I know this is many moons since this video was first posted but just for quality information sake this needs to be addressed - no your truck did NOT come with a Dana 80 front axle. It’s alright to be mistaken but to help others trying to research info these blatant statements must be addressed. The only front axles used in the Ford S/D line up were early Dana 50’s in SRW trucks and eventually upgraded to Dana 60’s in SRW like the DRW front axles with some F-350’s having an optional Super 60 like the 450/550 S/D’s. Later on from 2017 onwards an option on the F-450/550/600’s is the Dana Super 70. There was never a factory Dana 80 FRONT axle application - there is however an aftermarket Dana 80 but never an OEM item. Also, it would be nice to update the video on the discrepancy on the Sterling v/s Dana rear axles - it’s easy enough to verify and posting correct information should be priority even if it’s after the fact.
Just researched the hell out of this question and bought a 6.7L F250 with high capacity towing option which from what I can tell, makes it an F350 in terms of actual performance. The high capacity towing option adds the 350's larger axle, spring pack, and 3" receiver. Ford's rated GCWR are the same at 30,000 lbs, but 5th wheel/gooseneck rating is still about 2,000 lbs less on the F250. Not sure why. I just couldn't find a 2020 F350 with all the specs I wanted AND $8K under MSRP.
F350 will get over the 10k GVWR. So basically you're talking a sticker as the components are the same. This causes lots of online debate. Fact is it's the same truck essentially. For some, ratings matter more than substance...
@@alexmuela92 I have a 2022 F250 6.7L on order and the rear axle is not the same as what comes standard on a F350. As Leo Lopez note above , the F250 comes standard with the Sterling 10.5 unless you add the HCTT package, which then upgrades the rear axle to what is found on the stock F350. I know that this is also true for the 2021 F250's too.
You did good on the comparisons of F250 & F350 except 1 major difference is the brakes. F350 has a heavier duty brake system when carrring heavy loads is very important.
Good info! I've tried comparing brake components for the single rear wheels & 2wd. Both were the same part numbers. Besides leaf pack, do they use heavier duty tires? To carry more weight with srw 2wd 350 the tires need to match the load versus lighter duty srw 2wd 250. My 2011 has LT275/65 so I had them replaced with LT275/70 and added air bags to stabilize the load appearance. It wasn't really squatting much with the camper.
It's amazing how the trucks are essentially the same. Leaf packs can be the same as well with Camper Package. There are many tire/wheel packages. But essentially you can end up with the same physical components with either truck assuming you research it a bit...
Should call out payload capability per trim/cab/bed/engine level. They usually just advertise the MAX, but in general the MAX is when it is a gas engine, regular cab with an XL or XLT trim level. As you work up through trims for comforts / features it goes down. For example I looked at Crew Cab Long Bed Ford F350 diesel Lariat fully loaded and it has a ~3700lb payload. The same F250 is ~2500lbs
That is so true. It would be nice to have an online configuration tool that would show actual capacity as built. Think many people are confused... Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper Ford does have that. It's relatively new. Just put you VIN # in and it gives vehicle specific info. (www.fordfleetlive.com/3/VinCalculator)
@@paulrodrigues9603 Ram and Ford both offer what Max values for a trim would be which helps narrow the gap, but there is no clear way to see what the actual payload stamp will be on your door based on your choices. I did find out when talking to a sales guy at a dealership for Ford that based on a window sticker they can look up the exact payload stamp number. You just need to provide the window sticker. I have no interest in GMC/Chevy so not sure what their practice is.
@@babbledmuch When you are using an online build tool to see what the effect on total cost your trim and option choices have, the build tool should also recalculate the available payload every time you make a change so that you can make more informed decisions from a load perspective
Just fyi 17-19 you only get the Dana on the f250 if you have the heavy tow package that includes a extra spring otherwise you get the 10.5 even on the diesel
True! And the Sterling 10.5" has been used in all the pre-2017 trucks and is a stout axle. Really not something to complain about. I looked up the axle load rating and it was 9,500lbs. Not shabby! Dana should be a great axle too. Thanks for sharing
Difference is leaf pack, payload sticker, badges... That's it. The F250 only exists for the GVRW under 10k. It comes down to insurance and registration fees. F250 could do the same stuff in reality if it had the extra leaf. But legally it can't.
I went to get my F-250 inspected here in Mass and the mechanic had to look at the sticker first - he said they were only approved for vehicles 10k GVWR and under. So it effects where you can get it repaired as well...
Differences between them. The GVWR, cargo capacity, leaf springs. Not all F350s are over 10K GVWR. Depends on the GVWR package on them, if the engine is a gas vs diesel, if they are regular, super or crew cab configuration and lastly take into account the wheel base. Putting a slide camper on you should look for a truck with a camper prep package. That will also change a few important items.
Single rear wheel diesel not available in low gear ratio like gas , usually diesel has 355 gears . Gas can be purchased with 373, 410, 430 . Also f350 srw . can be ordered with 10k gvw or 11500 gvw . Which changes size of axles and springs.
Yep. Although either F250 or F350 SRW can have the exact same parts depending on options. The real difference like you pointed out is the ability to get the higher GVWR sticker on the F350. Rather interesting
So you’re telling me that there’s really no difference between the two? Basically I can purchase the f250 for a cheaper price and save me a new type of registration hassle. Next, I could just make the f250 into a f350 by lifting up the spring HD and leaves on the back. Wow. I guess I’ll do that instead.
There you go. Component wise you can get the same parts on the F250. You can option the F350 to have a higher GVWR. That is a consideration depending on load haul requirements.
That sticker will be pretty important to your insurance agent and public safety in the event you are in an accident towing a camper or anything that is over your weight specs.
the only difference between a 17+ f250 and f350 with the same drivetrain and options is the rear leaf spring packs, the gvwr, and the badges. That is it! In states where they crack down on over 10k gvw's requiring commercial plates, dot #'s, etc. the f250 is a way for people to get around the bullshit as it has a 10k gvw, otherwise I'd always just get the F350. I live in MA and didn't want to deal with falling under DOT inspections and crap so I got an F250 so I could keep regular passenger plates on it. The 6.2L and 6R100 has been very good for everything I've done with it. In MA now, if your over 10k, you have to have commercial plates with higher yearly fees, fall under expensive DOT inspections, commercial insurance, DOT numbers, and you have to be able to have a DOT medical card. Even though I have no medical issues, It's an insane hassle and too much $$ maintaining all of that unless you really need it. The true capabilities of an F250/F350 can be really close with the right options and a few mods.
Well stated... but you can get the same springs as the F350 with the camper package on the F250. Mostly just a governmental difference than component difference. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Truck camper where did you find the info that the sterling rear axle is rated to 9500lb? I understand that ford derate them on there door stickers.
Just searched online for the actual Sterling GAWR. But even with the Ford GAWR the truck capacity is WAY over the GVWR (assuming proper loading). You'll find many trucks where the GAWR and GVWR are extremely similar. And others where the GAWR is significantly higher (meaning the GVWR is conservative).
So, essentially I can buy a 2019 or newer F250 diesel and upgrade the suspension to F350 spec and get the same tow capacity and payload?? Even with aftermarket parts?
It would have the same components so same capability. Obviously, it won't change your door payload sticker. But from a functional and safety standpoint it would be the same as the components would be the same.
@@turkswill10 The primary difference is the rear leaf springs and rear sway bar. The front coil springs could be different spring rate but they sell at least 4 different coil springs (gas, diesel, camper package, etc). Primary rear leaf springs will increase load carrying. However, from a legal perspective it won't change your door sticker if that is a concern for you.
Door sticker is no concern. I plan on getting a F250 this month and I was considering a F350 just because. However, now that I came across your review I will get a F250 and update the rear suspension to accommodate more payload. If that is correct? Update the rear leaf springs and sway bar and BOOM it’s comparable to a f350 minus the sticker!?
This is a good video. I didn't hear you mention the brakes. F 350's have bigger brakes. I have an F 250. I'm really pushing the limits when i tow my 5th wheel toy hauler. That being said, I added air bags and a Wilwood big brake kit. I also hear the transmission cooler is bigger on the F 350. My floor gets very hot when i tow up big grades. I straight piped and did a def delete. I have a soft ride 6-inch suspension lift 37x12 inch Toyos on 22 inch forgis and an air intake system. Im very happy with the truck.
Thanks! This video is specially for the 2017+ Super Duty trucks... and these do share the same brakes with the exception of the dually which has a different rear axle. Mostly the difference is for regulation as you can option the F250 with the same physical components. Thanks for sharing!
Great video and excellent explanation on the difference between the F250 vs F350! Just for the heck of it, if it is possible, change that F250 badge to a F150!!!
I own the F350 Diesel. I was told by my dealer (a very old and knowledgeable owner) that Ford was really only building a 1 ton truck starting out, and that the only difference was that the F350 was the load handling leaf spring (the upside down one), and that the only reason that Ford kept the “¾ ton” option was that a significant amount of states charged a higher tax when one went from ¾ ton to 1 ton.
Nice job. Never even gave axles a thought! What is the heighth of each one? I have a 82" garage opeining and am wondering if either will fit? If neither will, I will go with a 1 ton just so I can go with a little heavier camper.
Thanks for sharing! Thankfully... the dimension specs are available on the Ford website. You can compare the F250/F350 there. They should be within 1" of each other. It will depend on model as the tire diameter can change making the truck slightly different. No real disadvantage for F350 just check insurance rates as some locations it costs more!
I don't think you realize you are still under the same DOT law if you get pulled over and your over your stickers payload rating you get a massive fine. other then the you can get away with a f250 with only the a truck camper may be a small trailer. but you need a f350 if you have a camper over 3300 pounds or you will be over watght
That's true. But DOT would have their hands full trying to fine all overweight vehicles. A large number are past GVWR especially SUVs, Jeeps, Small trucks, overland vehicles...
@@georgemurphy2922 Reality is they don't typically pick up all the pieces off the road and weigh them...not really an issue. Also, non-commercial use, you generally don't go thru weigh stations or otherwise get policed for weight. So unless it's grossly over to the point that something is obviously, wrong, there is no real risk of legal action.
@@travelintammy6073 I’m not saying it can’t be done safely. Legally is a whole different story. Not that hard to guess which rigs are over weight. Many 3/4T 5ers probably are. Especially diesel owners. The weight of the diesel engine kills the cargo capacity. My truck is in my company. I don’t want the liability personally, or in the company. As OP says, VERY little difference between 250/350 sw truck. Less than $1,000, and that stupid sticker makes me legal, while a more capable 250 (+good air bags) is overloaded w/same load. It is frustrating to have a 250 that is WAAAAY more capable than a older 350 that would be “legal”. User can’t increase the rated capacity by adding overload springs, bags, or better tires. Just remember, insurance company’s don’t want to pay claims, and I see lots of ambulance chasing personal injury billboards. No shortage of folks willing to sue, and if anyone is injured a jury or judge will have a hard time acquitting the owner of an overloaded rig. If your buying a truck, why not get the right tool for the job?
Leaf springs. Got a used 2017 6.2L 350 w/camper package in great condition and price, but would prefer a 250 for some reason. Don't need the camper package or extra payload to tow my TT. Would my ins cost that much less for a 250?
There is a difference between the f250 and the F350. The transmission is different. Order the 7.3 gas you get a degraded 10 speed. It called the G 10 transmission. Ford changed the interior 10 speed transmission ratios. They also went cheap in my opinion by taking out one clutch pack. This means the diesel F350 gets the beefy 10 speed while the gas version gets a 10 speed which will fail long before the diesel does. 4 clutch packs in the diesel version ,verses 3 in the gas. You pay a fortune for these trucks and the companies should give you the best that they have.. Take care, think safety first.🤙
I'm curious where you found this information. Everything I've discovered shows the 10R140 (10 speed) is the same for all configurations. There is no G version found. The 6R100G (6 speed) was exclusive for the F250 with 6.2L motor (what I have). I've found no isses with this transmission. Time will tell. It is tuned well for the motor overall. Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper if you go to a ford dealership go into service and ask to talk to a Ford truck transmission tech and he will tell you . Also on the window sticker of a new f250 setting on a dealers lot if you look down at the sticker it will say 10 speed G transmission. And if you want more proof, go to TFL truck website , they have videos of the ford engineers explaining the difference between the two different transmissions. I hope this helps you find out the rest of the story, 😊
Depends on the brand and the years also. Dodge axles in their 3/4 tons used to be the same size as Ford’s 350, Check the Frame, brake booster brakes, axles etc. and of course the payload, Never seen a 3/4 ton carry 4K lbs and drive up San Francisco streets,
f250 has a 3 inch rear end and the 350 has a 4 inch, however as i just bought a new 2020 250 I got it with a high capacity tow package that increased the gvwr to 10800 and added a 4 leaf spring and an upgraded rear end to 4 inch.
There is an F350 srw option of gvwr derate to 10000 GVWR, like you said it’s basically the same truck especially if you are going with the 7.3 gas or 6.7 diesel. Only noticeable difference from the outside is the F350 has a 3” receiver hitch w a higher rating than the F250s 2.5” hitch.
I don’t know if you mentioned the power break booster on my 6.2 gas 2019 F-250 is vacuum and on my 2020 F-350 with the 6.7 diesel the break booster is a Hydraulic Booster not vacuum, good video.
@@espritmike Don’t know what all Ford has, my Chevy 2500 had Hydro Boost breaks with the 6.0 gas motor. I have not had a new Chevy’s in 10 years or so, I don’t know what they have now other than the new Chevy lemons they sold me
I wouldn't choose any light duty truck for camper hauling duty. We ran a "light weight" four wheel camper 1,400lbs with our 2016 Tundra. It was over 2k lbs loaded on trips with 2 people, food, water and gear. Just on the marginal range. Lots of people do it. But take a look under the F150 and F250 trucks. Massive difference in frame, axles and capacity. Plus, I like the more simple V8 motors in the Super Duty trucks. All the F150 trucks are complicated eco motors: variable valve timing, start stop, direct injection, turbos and on.... Might be fine under warranty but complicated things will be expensive to repair. And everything breaks. Just something to consider. :)
@@TruckCamper got the F150 with 5L V8 (decided to stay away from turbo) and I'm super happy with it. My camper was a 3500 lbs but I traded it for a motor-home (with the new 7.3L) so no more RV towing for the F150, just payloads under 1,500lbs and occasional dump trailer (under 3k lbs).
Yeah. We ordered it custom. Debated the F350. F250 components work for our purposes. Crazy how similar they are. Wish Ford would list all the component differences. Wierd people like me appreciate knowing the axle, tcase, transmission models. Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper When selecting a work vehicle for me or work, I am more under the vehicle than looking at the aesthetics, if I am selecting a used vehicle, I must know axle ratios and model numbers, what kind of transfer case linkage it has, transfer case model, gear ratios it has, what model, and gear ratios the transmission has. What kind of suspension the vehicle has and so forth. I am looked at like I am an alien when I am under the vehicle immediately and ignore the outside when I am selecting a used work vehicle.
This is so easy! the difference is 100!
Haha like it!!
hahahaha I love this Kelly! Best comment I've ever seen on UA-cam
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I was going to leave a like but then it would of been 101 likes and you said 100😂😂
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Very well done. Great pace, great energy. I only wanted to know the info about the rear end but was absolutely engaged the entire video & learned so much!
Appreciate the kind words. Thank you
The 6R140 is a durable transmission. We have three in our fleet, used to toe in excess of 10,000 lbs. Never had a problem, no overheating. Our 2015 F250 w/ 6.7l diesel has over 375,000, sill pulls strong. Hope the 10R140 proves as reliable.
That's excellent. Thanks for sharing!!
In your humble opinion, what are the best years for f250/350's? Found a 2015 with 100k.miles (350 gas).
I've seen this back and forth battle over fuel vs diesel. It's a tough decision.
Great video. There are LOTS OF US out here maintaining complicated spreadsheets with what years have which axles, rear ends, transmissions, frame construction, etc. The manufacturers make it nearly impossible to get the info. Most of us have MORE info than the dealers know, and quite frankly it's the reason people buy the wrong vehicle and end up unsafe. Bottom line for the manufacturers if you are listening, we care! If there are differences in the design/build of the 10 speed transmission in 2 different configs, or frame reinforcements, etc for example... make the info available for informed buying decisions! Appreciate the video!
Well stated. Unfortunately, the 2nd hand market is more savvy regarding components. Sure would be nice if manufacturers make detailed specification sheets available...
Great place for one of my all time favorite quotes “it’s what we don’t know we don’t know”
What’s a reliable forum I can look into to gain more knowledge on the differences between them. I am in the market for a used truck and want to figure out what’s the best configuration to look for
I have had 3 Ford F250's for over 20 years. If you look at ordering brakes, the replacement brakes for 250 and 350 are the same for the 99, 2004 and 2012. The camper package, 2WD, puts 350 coils up front and an overload on the rear leafs. The camper package also has a higher amp rating regulator into the 7 pin trailer plug. Ford won't say what. Puzzling. On our present 250, I have an aftermarket Hellwig big ass rear anti sway, which is much better than stock anti sway, when you have a 2300 lb. TC on the back with another 5-700 lbs. of load. The 350 has one more leaf on rear. We put Airlift 5000's on rear which work great to raise back a little, but mostly gives better ride.
We prefer 2WD to keep load rating higher. .
The info you provided about the labels load ratings being there for private vs. commercial was new. Verrrry interesting.
To me, the Sterling vs. Dana differences seem to be made for off road, or extreme heavy commercial pulling. I drive very gently with the camper on, and have NEVER had any drivetrain problems with the 250. Synthetic lubricants all the way thru, changed often. The stock shocks are exactly the same ride control as Bilsteins for 2WD. Rancho's are better loaded bounce control.
We have had 170,000 miles on the '99, 75,000 miles on the '04 and 230,000 on the '10. About 25% of the milage on all have been with camper on. The Ford 2-350 are excellent platforms, and why manufacturers play a shell game with specific mechanical and electrical info is a mystery to me.
Great info! Thanks for sharing your experiences!!
The biggest difference I see between the two trucks is payload capacity. Depending on the configuration, you can get an additional 1,000lbs of payload capacity. Payload capacity jumps significantly for the DWR option (7,500lbs).
Yes, and I agree you get a significant bump going to the DRW.
@@southerncatlady6680 Dual Rear Wheels
With my f250 6.7 I had to register it to what weight I would pull, I didn’t go full towing weight but went high enough for when we upgrade to a 5th wheel. The powerstroke is an absolute beast for towing, love it.
What state are you in? 6.7L is a beast
@@TruckCamper Delaware
@@bluecollarwatches7048 Interesting how different states are!
THANK YOU!!! we are shopping and couldn't figure out the difference!
You Bet! Ford should really list the differences.
Still have my '02 F250 with 240K on the V10 gasser. Been a great truck. Replaced the transmission, radiator and wear items. Towed my boat all over
That's excellent. Great service use for sure!
I have an 01 F250 with a V 10 gas. Only issues I've had it burns oil. 160k, and I've put them all on it. Pulled my camper, boat and now my tractor. Pulls great
@@davidcassity6593 That's excellent! Great work truck.
@@TruckCamper I should say I did have a spark plug blow out of the head in the middle of the Utah desert with a boat in tow on way to Lake Powell, Very expensive repair
@@walttrotter535 That's a bummer deal. My understanding is that issue was resolved on the later models?
He really did his homework before buying that beauty 👍🏻🇺🇸 great detail explaining!
Absolutely! Thanks for watching
Actually, the 6.7l diesel f250 comes standard with the STERLING AXLE! that has the 10k gvwr! If u get the heavy duty tow option u get the dana axle! Which has 10800 gvwr! Which is the f350 axle and springs. So the f250 can be optioned with a 350 axle and springs.
The tires become the limitation at that point. The 250 has 65psi. F350 comes with same tire but 80psi. Hence f250 with 10800 gvwr vs f350 11400. All with the same axle and springs!
This is why u see 90% f250 sold. This trick keeps the insurance down for owner.
Good info. Thanks for sharing!
@@charlesgoehring3445 nothing to do with damage potential. Its all about responsibility! If u r over loaded vs truck specs they can denie your claim.
Can you get E rated tires? They are designed for towing and mine run 80 psi... I even put e rated tires on mini van I tow a cargo trailer - 50psi vs. 35psi regular tire pressure.
I'm looking at the Ford website maximum loaded trailer weight charts for the F250 (p.25) and F350 (p.27). For the Crew Cab, 4x2, 6 3/4 box, max wt. carrying is the same for the 6.2L engine and 3.73 axle ratio. SAME? GCWR Combined weight of vehicle and trailer SAME? Actual numbers depend on individual truck trims, of course. Am I understanding this to mean no difference in this engine/axle ratio tow capacity for the F250 and F350 for the 6.2L gas with 3.73 axle ratio?
That is correct. These trucks really could be the same. Biggest difference is that F350 can increase the GVWR to 11,800. Where F250 is 10k. This is mostly due to truck classification and certain states require F350 to be commercial. But your actual components are nearly all the same. You can option an F250 to have the exact same parts as the F350 (3" receiver hitch and extra leaf spring). Rather interesting and confusing!!
@@TruckCamper So, it's the F350 bolt on capacity that may or may not make it beefier? Even that seems to take a fair amount of study for us not-so-mechanically inclined. All the other internet reviews mention range of potential load capacities as the difference in the F250 and F350. But if you look at similarly outfitted F250 and F350 they are remarkably equal.
@@wayneblanchard4347 Most focus on the GVWR differences which is a sticker. This video was focused on actual physical differences which is very little... and depending on configuration you get the same ratings.
In CA (of course) 3/4 ton trucks are considered commercial by the DMV as well. In my experience (personal and anecdotal), CA drivers can expect to pay around $300 annually to register a 1/2 ton (non-commercial), $800 to register a 3/4 ton. and $1500 to register a 1 ton. The cost of registration for 1 tons is anecdotal info from a friend of mine, but it does not surprise me as the state will squeeze you any way they can. CA will allow you to reduce your commercial registration to non-commercial registration if you promise to keep a truck camper on the truck full-time. If you do this to save $500-$1200 a year in registration, but dare to ever remove the camper and get caught by CHP, you will be fined heavily.
Another fun CA thing: New gas vehicles are exempt from smog testing for the first 6 years. New diesels are not allowed this exemption. So in addition to having to have complicated exhaust systems with enough tech to launch a space shuttle, new diesel owners will have to start smogging their new trucks the second year they own it. This is most likely a way to stick it to the guys who delete their diesel exhaust systems. So like many things in CA, the majority of new diesel owners who leave their exhaust stock have to pay more so the state can catch a few eco-criminals. But wait, there's more....if you have a new diesel and don't want to smog it, you can pay a low low fee of just $25 bucks to bypass the need to smog it. So the end result of a program purported to require people to pay a privately owned auto shop to test their emissions for $50-$100 can opt out of the test by sending $25 directly to the state so they can spend it on "pollution mitigation", which I'm sure does not involve croneyism and corrupt private contractor selections in any way, at all, whatsoever.
Anyone who does not live in CA should look carefully at what has happened here and pay very close attention to what is on their ballots. These bureaucratic false-logic loops govern just about every aspect of life here, and the only thing they are effective at doing is siphoning off money from the people.
Lots of great info! Will never live in Cali... love to visit. Thanks for sharing!
I unfortunately live in LA and he is telling you the truth I have 2017 ford f350 6.7 powerstroke
Keep supporting those democrates they like your money.
@@errolpoxleitner7901 haha - they need more!
@@errolpoxleitner7901 Not for long...we will be out of CA before the end of the year.
The GVWR will legally allow you to haul/load more. If you upgrade your f250 that’s awesome but your still bound by the GVWR it won’t increase your capacity and your subject to fines at a DOT inspection/weigh station.
True. However, non commercial vehicles unlikely to be weighed. It's always best practice to stay within GVWR.
@@TruckCamper Completely agree with @Humblescape here. You have to abide by the registered GVWR of the truck even if upgrading all the right parts to allow you to tow/haul more. Even if non-commercial vehicles are "unlikely" to be weighed, the issue becomes apparent if you are involved in an accident and it is determined that vehicle overload was suspected in causing the accident. You could potentially be facing severe fines and/or jail time. Always stay within the registered GVWR. With that said, why would you upgrade suspension parts to more heavy duty if the goal is not to tow/haul more?
@@chrisbland5657 Simple. Stock suspension on either truck is terrible! I'd upgrade either one. I'm not recommending to be unsafe or overload. The point is that the truck difference is mostly a sticker and governmental rating rather than capability or component differences. Staying within sticker doesn't guarantee safety. Realistically these trucks need upgrades to handle the rated weights safely (in my opinion).
I had a '21 F-350 with a camper on it similar to yours. It was totaled in an horrific accident. I'm going to be buying a new rig, but this time I'm going with the 250 like you did...primarily because I'll replace the springs. The only other difference between these two trucks aside from those you pointed out is the trailer hitch. The ones on the 350 is considerably more stout...class 5.
You are correct. It may be possible to configure the F250 with the bigger hitch but I haven't played with the build configuration for a bit. Good feedback. 👍
If you spec a 250 with a snow plow package or heavy camper package its basically a 350 and cheaper to insure, do it all the time.
That's what I don't get. Why not just make the F350 a dually? Components can be the same depending on configuration. Thanks for sharing!
Snow plow package only gives you a larger alternator, heavier spec front springs and cold weather package (engine block heater)
@@ryanwayne7135 Thanks for clarifying! Appreciate the contributions.
@@ryanwayne7135 mine came with all that and upgraded rear over load springs which visually is very different from a reg spec 250
@@panthermartin7784 then that may have come that way with anticipation of putting a sander/salter in the rear. There are a couple spec packages/options you can get.
My 2017 F250 came with a "Camper Package". 4 leaf springs and a sway bar in the rear.
That's the same spring setup as the F350 with the sway bar. Thanks for confirming.
In FL the tags cost $50 more per year between the F250 and F350. The weight limit is set at 10K.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
The dually and the springs/blocks are a major difference. With the diesel the 350 is rated to tow 24,000 with bumper pull vs 19,000 for the 250. Big difference, especially if you’re doing dump trailer type work or don’t want to use a GN or 5th wheel to pull a camper. The dually’s allow for the higher axle ratio not to mention more ground contact for more secure towing. If you’re gonna haul real stuff than get the 350 dually. It won’t even start to feel funny while you’re behind the wheel, it’ll just take it like it’s not there
Agreed. And I'd suggest that the F350 should only come in a dually. Seems redundant to offer the F250/F350 in SRW. Thanks for sharing!
very good review, thanks ! looking between the two now
Very welcome!! :)
I ordered a 2020 F-250 7.3 gas 4.30 gears. Then decided I needed more payload just in case I get a heavier RV so I order a F-350 identical to the F-250. When they came in the 250 had 2935 lbs. of payload the 350 has 4364 1429 lbs difference not bad.
Wow! That's a huge jump in payload. It's nice to have the higher weight sticker... although crazy the only difference to carry the load is the leaf springs. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
It's more than just the springs. The axles and bearings are heavier in the F350 than the F250.
@@atvtinker01 Front axle is exactly the same. Rear is the same unless you get the 6.2L which has the "smaller" Sterling 10.5. The Sterling axle is far from weak the manufacturer Visteon rates it to carry a max load of 9,750 lbs. Way over any weight rating limits that Ford gives. There just isn't much different between the two models anymore. Both have massive capacities...
@@atvtinker01 😂😂😂 you for real dude??
@@ozzy1398 Dude pull the hub caps off both and tell me you don't see a difference. Dana 60s on the F350.
I would have appreciated if you could have mentioned the older models specs....my truck is a 2015 F350 diesel. The 6.7 diesel has been used since 2011.
Each generation is a bit different... may do more videos comparing the different years and models. Thanks for the suggestion
It's all in the leaf springs folks, that easy.
Mostly true.
Also the mounting of the bed to the frame
@@donmcmannamy3409 How is it different?
@@TruckCamper depending on the year the number of mounting points and or the grade of the nuts and bolts that are used
@@donmcmannamy3409 We are only focusing on the 2017+. So would need to verify for current generation trucks... sounds interesting
I see that you did shoot this video 3 years ago. Do you still have your F-250 and if so, how has it been holding up? I have a '17 F-250 XLT, 6.2L, 6-speed I purchased new and it has been fantastic. Other than the death wobble which has been corrected and a coil pack going south, this thing has been pretty bulletproof.
Yes. Nearly 4 yrs old. We've done several update videos since then. It's been a solid workhorse. We call it Donki :)
It’s about time ford got rid of that sterling axle it was just a weak axle in my opinion when it came down to towing but now that they upgraded to a Dana rear axle I’ve driven the trucks at my job with the new Dana axle and they just has more pulling power from the bottom end and what’s crazy is that the truck lugs in 6 gear even going up hill with about 22,000 pounds behind it and has enough torque to just pull through thanks to that bigger ring ratio. When it came down to towing Gm and ram trucks where always my preference not just cause of the AAM rear axle which is a strong axle for towing but gm trucks and Ram’s transmission’s actually downshift well and properly and have a good exhaust brake
Thanks for sharing your experience! Ford is still using the Sterling axle but the Dana axle is included with the diesel and F350 versions. The Sterling axle has been around for a long time and certainly isn't weak with a 9,500lb load rating. However the Dana axle is much beefier. I agree that having the 4.30 axle gear option factory is excellent. Have you had issues with the Sterling axle failing?
The salesman will tell you that a 350 will pull more than a 250 and all this information has been my argument from the start on the diesel units. Change leaf springs and its no difference. Same engine same transmission. Way less money.
Sales people need to get educated. Ford specs show the SRW F250 / F350 (bumper pull) is the same for most configurations with slight variations. Rather interesting...
F250 has two axle options - standard axle is 3.5” Sterling and if you select the ‘Axle Upgrade/Heavy Duty Tow Pkg’ you get the 4” Dana M275 that is standard on the F350. This pkg also includes the 3” receiver instead of the 2.5”. The purpose of this upgrade for F250 is that it increases payload ~700lbs depending on your configuration. E.g., 2020 F250 Platinum = ~1,900lbs payload standard & ~2,600lbs with the axle upgrade.
In my opinion, every F250 should be equipped with the M275 because it increases your payload and towing capacity while maintaining the softer ride characteristics of the F250 (2-leaf main springs vs. 3-lead main springs on an F350). However, if you are going to be towing a fifth-wheel, it’s likely an F350 will be what you require due to most pin weights being 2,000+lbs prior to adding batteries, generator, water, and trailer contents. Keep in mind an F350 SRW Platinum has a payload of ~3,300lbs.
Good info... the interesting thing is the Sterling axle is rated to carry 9,700lb load. So way over how Ford rates it. Both axles are overkill for how Ford rates payloaf.
@@TruckCamper I’ve updated my previous comment, but I would refrain from making statements such as ‘overkill’. That’s entirely subjective and the axles ratings are derived from many factors including safety and reliability. Can you put 5,000lbs in a standard F250? Yes. There are videos on UA-cam of exactly that, but just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
@@colinwatt00 Good point. Use your best judgement especially if heavily loaded.
I bought a 2020 F250 with the 6.2 diesel back in November, it's a beast. I've had GMC vehicles in the past , always 1500s, our local GMC didn't even have a 2500 on the lot when we began shopping. I had truck fever so waiting wasn't an option, we looked at Rams and Fords. We went with the Ford mainly because we were told they held their value much better. I'm so happy things worked like they did, I couldn't be happier with the truck. The best truck I've ever had , I love this truck. Like I said, it's a beast with power to spare.
Nice! Glad it worked out well. I agree the Ford is an excellent product for HD truck world. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you seen the light. We have a new Ford guy on our team. Haha
Great video exactly what I was looking for. Now I know the 7.3 I ordered has the upgraded rear end.
Excellent. Glad it was helpful!
Did you mention the hitch receiver? F250 standard is a 2.5” hitch receiver and f350 standard is 3” hitch receiver. The high capacity towing package on the f250 that requires the Diesel engine upgrade includes a 3” hitch receiver.
Correct. You can get either hitch with the F250. But 3" is standard on F350. Thanks!
Maybe you have a different video about this, but I was wondering: You said you have the 6.2 so that is the Gas v8 right? Can you tell me why you chose that over Diesel? I want to buy a truck and camper, but also have a trailer with 2 snowmobiles, so I am thinking I might need the 6.7. Thanks for the informative yet funny videos.
Yes. 6.2L gasser. Love it. Plenty of power we frequently tow our 14ft enclosed trailer for house projects with the camper. Easily handles the load. Biggest advantages: less initial cost, less weight (800lbs), less ownership cost, less maintenance. And it's a decade old motor that is extremely proven and reliable. Unless towing over 20k lbs... gasser is a great option. 7.3L has potential to be excellent... but not proven yet. I'd buy after another 5-10 years. I like old reliable, boring things that work. Hope that helps! Thanks for sharing.
@@TruckCamper Ok! This is really helpful and opens up some of options for me. My trailer fully loaded would never exceed 4000 lbs, so it just might work fine with a gas 250. I also live in Winter Park, Colorado and mornings are often -10f, so starting the diesel in the cold is a concern. I could take the 8-12$ saved annd put it towards suspension upgrades or the camper. Thanks for the tip.
@@shottyotter Awesome! Let me know how it turns out. :)
@@shottyotter my Honda odyssey mini van touring model has a tow rating of 3500 pounds. I tow a loaded 5x8 cargo trailer with it no problem. 140,000+ miles on van. I think some dodge Durango have some decent tow specs, but I don't know if pu trucks have a wider wheelbase/stance for more stability? I just bought a 15 6.7L f350 2wd reg cab diesel. Plan to tow across country.
@@TruckCamper same here. Many service body trucks with the 6.2l north of 300,000 still on the road with the 6.2L. Reliability & service cost win the day in my book.
Awesome information. I have a 2018 F250 6.2L STX. I want to do the F350 Leaf suspension upgrade. Do you have another video of your upgrade?
Nice! Yep... we have videos on all the truck modifications: ua-cam.com/video/QpX32io_h6Y/v-deo.html
Good job I think you might have changed my mind. I'm in the market for a new truck I was thinking about the F350. I need to rethink that thank you keep up the good work
Very welcome! It's good to be educated on the components/parts that make the truck. Thanks for sharing!
@@charlesgoehring3445 Most of it is not. There are no detail specs on model of transmission, axles or drivetrain differences. They would be wise to show exact differences.
@@TruckCamper Agree. I opted for the F350 as I wanted the heavier duty transmission 10R140.
I need to get air bags for my Honda Ridgeline HD for RV trailer.... Maybe some tow mirrors.... 👀
That's a lot to ask from a Honda. Basically a car engine and transmission.
I heard the basic difference was the rear spring pack and differential. Other then that they’re identical trucks.
As a result of the different rear springs and gears the 350 has a higher payload
Also if you’re going to go with an f350 dually. You might want to get an f450 dually. Because the 450 has a wide track front axle and has a tighter turning radius
That's a decent summary. I agree I'd buy an F450 before F350. Better turning radius
Great Video, How about a 2012 F-350 Super Duty 6.7L Diesel is it the M275 10.5" Dana 60
Believe that generation used the Sterling axle for both SRW F250 and F350. Front has been high pinion D60 for both trucks for many years
Perfect summation of the differences. Thank you! Confirms for me that the 250 is what I’ll be ordering. Thank you for taking the time to create this. Perfect.
Glad it was helpful. Appreciate you sharing!
Get the 350. Insurance will be half the cost. Better resale. If getting the gas. Order the low gears.
@@rickmatz4456 Good advice on the 4.30 gears with gas motor. Great low cost, high value option. Insurance varies by state so really need to check. Resale difference is similar to price difference. Thanks for sharing!
F350 has much better resale value and more capability in general. It's silly to get a F250 and I work for Ford.
Now you should compare the ‘22 Tremor 6.7 250 and 350. They are 100% identical except for the sticker and the badge.
Good idea... But finding inventory is the difficulty. Just locating one is a challenge. Will see! :)
Hell no, the dmv tried to pull that one on me saying my truck was 10,500 so I had to prove to them through copious amounts of paper work it was actually 9,500 The difference in price was $800 vs $240, just to put plates on the dam thing. Never again will I buy a 1 ton lol.
That makes good sense! I'd feel the same way in your position.
Excellent review man.
Thanks! :)
The most common difference between 3/4 Ton and 1 Ton trucks from all the different manufacturers all the way back to the late 80s has been the rear leaf pack is designed to handle more payload (more leafs or a different pack all together). There sometimes is alittle different gear ratios, but allways the rear leafs packs
That is a common difference. But every manufacturer is different and the differences change depending on the year. The current 2017+ Super Duty can essentially be the same (even the leaf springs) depending on options. Biggest difference is the sticker GVWR being over or under 10k. Thanks for sharing!
I bought a F250 2020 6.7L diesel 4x4 in July. There were NO F350s to be had in SoCal because of Covid19, and very few F250s. After seeing your video I'm glad we didn't spend the extra for it, thanks for your info!
Very welcome! Crazy how limited information is available about actual differences. Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper it's great to know its basically one extra leaf spring and the f350 badge that's different on my f250 👍
nice video. When it first started, I was like why is Pete Rose doing youtube reviews? LOL
Haha thanks!
If Pete Rose and Ashton Kutcher had a baby… .
I’ve been spoiled the past couple decades with full floats in front & rear, with a solid axel up front. Does the 250 have these two important features? How bout the 350?
Yes. The Sterling 10.5" rear axle is full float. Same with the high pinion Dana 60 front axle. Same axles for the F350. New Super Duty have Dana rear axle. Dually has different rear axle (all full float).
I’m surprised ford is so secretive about their axles. Now I just wish they’d go back to old school lock out hubs in front. Hmmmmm 250/350? I’m not sure yet. Campers gonna be about 2300 lbs max.
@rubicondon04 You're in luck. All the high pinion Dana 60 front axles have manual hubs. However they are also vacuum operated... so you can engage manually outside by turning the dial or automatically inside. They work great (watch our off road videos)
In California, where all trucks have commercial plates, the 350 will cost you more to register because it is a heavier vehicle.
That makes sense. Good to get costs before choosing. Thanks for sharing
Similar in NH for the state portion of the registration. Town portion varies. My town does it based on base MSRP depreciated by year. Long story short if I have a new vehicle I have 13 car payments a year, not 12.
I'm trying to find out how much more
I bought a 2020 F350 SRW short bed Supercab 4WD. In a 6.75 foot bet pickup, you can spec 11,400# GVWR with the diesel engine in a F 350, but limited to 9990# in a F250 or F350 gasser. With the Camper Package, GVWR increases to 11,500#. I have a truck camper and the additional payload was worth the price difference. With an 8 foot bed, you can get up to 11,500# GVWR with any engine, but I did not want the 8 foot bed.
Good info! Thanks for sharing!!
My 2020 F250 Supercab 148" wb 6.75 bed with max tow has 10800 GVWR.
It wasn’t til the third “second reason” I realized you’re messin with us.
Talking is hard.. :)
Wired my super duty had a Dana 80 front axle. With the triton 5.4. 4x4, drove it for285k before trading it in no complaints great truck
That's great service use. Very nice
I know this is many moons since this video was first posted but just for quality information sake this needs to be addressed - no your truck did NOT come with a Dana 80 front axle.
It’s alright to be mistaken but to help others trying to research info these blatant statements must be addressed.
The only front axles used in the Ford S/D line up were early Dana 50’s in SRW trucks and eventually upgraded to Dana 60’s in SRW like the DRW front axles with some F-350’s having an optional Super 60 like the 450/550 S/D’s.
Later on from 2017 onwards an option on the F-450/550/600’s is the Dana Super 70.
There was never a factory Dana 80 FRONT axle application - there is however an aftermarket Dana 80 but never an OEM item.
Also, it would be nice to update the video on the discrepancy on the Sterling v/s Dana rear axles - it’s easy enough to verify and posting correct information should be priority even if it’s after the fact.
Just researched the hell out of this question and bought a 6.7L F250 with high capacity towing option which from what I can tell, makes it an F350 in terms of actual performance. The high capacity towing option adds the 350's larger axle, spring pack, and 3" receiver. Ford's rated GCWR are the same at 30,000 lbs, but 5th wheel/gooseneck rating is still about 2,000 lbs less on the F250. Not sure why. I just couldn't find a 2020 F350 with all the specs I wanted AND $8K under MSRP.
F350 will get over the 10k GVWR. So basically you're talking a sticker as the components are the same. This causes lots of online debate. Fact is it's the same truck essentially. For some, ratings matter more than substance...
Overloading or over towing an F250 will always brake down sooner than a F350.
Nope the axle only gets bigger with the dual rear wheel. Both 250 and 350 single rear are the same except for the additional leaf
@@alexmuela92 I have a 2022 F250 6.7L on order and the rear axle is not the same as what comes standard on a F350. As Leo Lopez note above , the F250 comes standard with the Sterling 10.5 unless you add the HCTT package, which then upgrades the rear axle to what is found on the stock F350. I know that this is also true for the 2021 F250's too.
The 2000 lb difference for the fifth wheel is the added weight for the Diesel option.
I had no idea there was a 6.2 liter diesel engine. Do they still offer that?
6.2L is a gasser. Exceptional motor. Many examples well over 500k
You did good on the comparisons of F250 & F350 except 1 major difference is the brakes. F350 has a heavier duty brake system when carrring heavy loads is very important.
Not true. Only the Dually F350 has different brakes and only in the rear (different axle). Front is the same high pinion Dana60 either way.
Good info! I've tried comparing brake components for the single rear wheels & 2wd. Both were the same part numbers.
Besides leaf pack, do they use heavier duty tires? To carry more weight with srw 2wd 350 the tires need to match the load versus lighter duty srw 2wd 250. My 2011 has LT275/65 so I had them replaced with LT275/70 and added air bags to stabilize the load appearance. It wasn't really squatting much with the camper.
It's amazing how the trucks are essentially the same. Leaf packs can be the same as well with Camper Package. There are many tire/wheel packages. But essentially you can end up with the same physical components with either truck assuming you research it a bit...
So basically just add an extra leaf spring to your f250 and you now have an f350.
From a functional standpoint yes. But sticker payload number is the same...
I love my 2021 7.3 f250
Solid choice!! Our old school 6.2L is still a workhorse. Thanks for sharing
Should call out payload capability per trim/cab/bed/engine level. They usually just advertise the MAX, but in general the MAX is when it is a gas engine, regular cab with an XL or XLT trim level. As you work up through trims for comforts / features it goes down. For example I looked at Crew Cab Long Bed Ford F350 diesel Lariat fully loaded and it has a ~3700lb payload. The same F250 is ~2500lbs
That is so true. It would be nice to have an online configuration tool that would show actual capacity as built. Think many people are confused... Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper Ford does have that. It's relatively new. Just put you VIN # in and it gives vehicle specific info. (www.fordfleetlive.com/3/VinCalculator)
Good info! Thanks for sharing. The issue is when you configure and build a truck... it doesn't show what the actual numbers will be.
@@paulrodrigues9603 Ram and Ford both offer what Max values for a trim would be which helps narrow the gap, but there is no clear way to see what the actual payload stamp will be on your door based on your choices. I did find out when talking to a sales guy at a dealership for Ford that based on a window sticker they can look up the exact payload stamp number. You just need to provide the window sticker. I have no interest in GMC/Chevy so not sure what their practice is.
@@babbledmuch When you are using an online build tool to see what the effect on total cost your trim and option choices have, the build tool should also recalculate the available payload every time you make a change so that you can make more informed decisions from a load perspective
Just fyi 17-19 you only get the Dana on the f250 if you have the heavy tow package that includes a extra spring otherwise you get the 10.5 even on the diesel
True! And the Sterling 10.5" has been used in all the pre-2017 trucks and is a stout axle. Really not something to complain about. I looked up the axle load rating and it was 9,500lbs. Not shabby! Dana should be a great axle too. Thanks for sharing
The biggest changes are between the SRW and DRW one ton models.
Agreed. Dually is significantly different
Better late than never on my part but a good comparison review kudos
Appreciate it!
The F350 has the limited slip rear end. It doesn't sound like much, but when you are in snow country like I am, it's noticeable and helps quite a lot.
@@dragonpens72 Not all of them have LSD... they can be open or elocker too. Same as the F250. The factory elocker is the best option! Works in 2wd too
Difference is leaf pack, payload sticker, badges... That's it.
The F250 only exists for the GVRW under 10k. It comes down to insurance and registration fees. F250 could do the same stuff in reality if it had the extra leaf. But legally it can't.
Nice summary
@Sam Macaw Good thing to check. Some states do consider over 10k GVWR commercial. Thanks for sharing!
@Sam Macaw In NY if its a SRW f350 they cover it. Just had my 17 F350 towed last week for a failed fuel pump.....
@Sam Macaw Single rear wheel. Not a dually
I went to get my F-250 inspected here in Mass and the mechanic had to look at the sticker first - he said they were only approved for vehicles 10k GVWR and under. So it effects where you can get it repaired as well...
Differences between them. The GVWR, cargo capacity, leaf springs. Not all F350s are over 10K GVWR. Depends on the GVWR package on them, if the engine is a gas vs diesel, if they are regular, super or crew cab configuration and lastly take into account the wheel base. Putting a slide camper on you should look for a truck with a camper prep package. That will also change a few important items.
Yep. Not as simple as F350 is better. Research and learning required for each configuration. Thanks for sharing!
Still love my 2008 F-350 Lariat power stroke diesel
Nice truck for sure.
Brad Pellerin obviously you do buddy😉😆🤣😂👍👍👍
Get rid of it ASAP before it blows up. 6.4L are huge POS's
Tim Carnes I traded it in towards a 2018 6.7 Turbo diesel F-350
Excellent explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
nicely done
Appreciate it. :)
Single rear wheel diesel not available in low gear ratio like gas , usually diesel has 355 gears . Gas can be purchased with 373, 410, 430 . Also f350 srw . can be ordered with 10k gvw or 11500 gvw . Which changes size of axles and springs.
Yep. Although either F250 or F350 SRW can have the exact same parts depending on options. The real difference like you pointed out is the ability to get the higher GVWR sticker on the F350. Rather interesting
So you’re telling me that there’s really no difference between the two? Basically I can purchase the f250 for a cheaper price and save me a new type of registration hassle. Next, I could just make the f250 into a f350 by lifting up the spring HD and leaves on the back. Wow. I guess I’ll do that instead.
There you go. Component wise you can get the same parts on the F250. You can option the F350 to have a higher GVWR. That is a consideration depending on load haul requirements.
That sticker will be pretty important to your insurance agent and public safety in the event you are in an accident towing a camper or anything that is over your weight specs.
Talk to your insurance company. Unless gross negligence it will never even come up. Our F250 has more than enough payload so non issue either way
Brakes are usually thicker, larger on the F 350. This was the case 5 years ago
Would be interesting to verify! Thanks for sharing!
only on the dually
@@brentstouffer7365 Appreciate the clarification!
The brakes on the SRW trucks are all the same.
the only difference between a 17+ f250 and f350 with the same drivetrain and options is the rear leaf spring packs, the gvwr, and the badges. That is it! In states where they crack down on over 10k gvw's requiring commercial plates, dot #'s, etc. the f250 is a way for people to get around the bullshit as it has a 10k gvw, otherwise I'd always just get the F350. I live in MA and didn't want to deal with falling under DOT inspections and crap so I got an F250 so I could keep regular passenger plates on it. The 6.2L and 6R100 has been very good for everything I've done with it. In MA now, if your over 10k, you have to have commercial plates with higher yearly fees, fall under expensive DOT inspections, commercial insurance, DOT numbers, and you have to be able to have a DOT medical card. Even though I have no medical issues, It's an insane hassle and too much $$ maintaining all of that unless you really need it. The true capabilities of an F250/F350 can be really close with the right options and a few mods.
Well stated... but you can get the same springs as the F350 with the camper package on the F250. Mostly just a governmental difference than component difference. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for video.....I have to ask, how tall is your garage door, to get that slide in camper under...?
Our door is 14ft. Camper is about 10.5ft.
Thanks!
Could fit a semi tractor in there! Nice.
I bought an F350 and never looked back. I can tell you its a world of difference!!!! F350 is a beast!!!!!
Glad it is working well for you.
Great video! So much great information ❤️
Appreciate it! :)
Hey Truck camper where did you find the info that the sterling rear axle is rated to 9500lb? I understand that ford derate them on there door stickers.
Just searched online for the actual Sterling GAWR. But even with the Ford GAWR the truck capacity is WAY over the GVWR (assuming proper loading). You'll find many trucks where the GAWR and GVWR are extremely similar. And others where the GAWR is significantly higher (meaning the GVWR is conservative).
Thank you for your very informative video!
Very welcome. Thanks for sharing!
Some of our dealers dont even bring in the F250, the F350 is so close in price they just order F350’s.
Makes sense for parts if the country!
So, essentially I can buy a 2019 or newer F250 diesel and upgrade the suspension to F350 spec and get the same tow capacity and payload?? Even with aftermarket parts?
It would have the same components so same capability. Obviously, it won't change your door payload sticker. But from a functional and safety standpoint it would be the same as the components would be the same.
Screw the sticker, lol.
Could you explain to me what I would need to do to my F250 to make it compatible to the 350 specs??
@@turkswill10 The primary difference is the rear leaf springs and rear sway bar. The front coil springs could be different spring rate but they sell at least 4 different coil springs (gas, diesel, camper package, etc). Primary rear leaf springs will increase load carrying. However, from a legal perspective it won't change your door sticker if that is a concern for you.
Door sticker is no concern. I plan on getting a F250 this month and I was considering a F350 just because. However, now that I came across your review I will get a F250 and update the rear suspension to accommodate more payload. If that is correct? Update the rear leaf springs and sway bar and BOOM it’s comparable to a f350 minus the sticker!?
How is it you never new this????
Always learning new things! Keep life interesting...
New this or knew this? How did you never knew the difference in the 2 words but no so much about trucks?
@@chadfuqua9776 I’m sure spell check has never got it wrong for you.
Good try but we ain't buying it
@@chadfuqua9776 I’m not selling, there is definitely a word for your type
This is a good video. I didn't hear you mention the brakes. F 350's have bigger brakes. I have an F 250. I'm really pushing the limits when i tow my 5th wheel toy hauler. That being said, I added air bags and a Wilwood big brake kit. I also hear the transmission cooler is bigger on the F 350. My floor gets very hot when i tow up big grades. I straight piped and did a def delete. I have a soft ride 6-inch suspension lift 37x12 inch Toyos on 22 inch forgis and an air intake system. Im very happy with the truck.
Thanks! This video is specially for the 2017+ Super Duty trucks... and these do share the same brakes with the exception of the dually which has a different rear axle. Mostly the difference is for regulation as you can option the F250 with the same physical components. Thanks for sharing!
Just go with the f350 with the Godzilla 7.3
That's a solid option!!
Great video and excellent explanation on the difference between the F250 vs F350! Just for the heck of it, if it is possible, change that F250 badge to a F150!!!
Thanks! The F250 and F350 badges could be swapped out. F150 is different.... :)
I own the F350 Diesel. I was told by my dealer (a very old and knowledgeable owner) that Ford was really only building a 1 ton truck starting out, and that the only difference was that the F350 was the load handling leaf spring (the upside down one), and that the only reason that Ford kept the “¾ ton” option was that a significant amount of states charged a higher tax when one went from ¾ ton to 1 ton.
I think I remember hearing that some states require a different license to drive a 350 on the road as opposed to the 250s too.
@@Oakleyshooter that was mentioned in the video.
That does seem to be mostly accurate
Nice job. Never even gave axles a thought! What is the heighth of each one? I have a 82" garage opeining and am wondering if either will fit? If neither will, I will go with a 1 ton just so I can go with a little heavier camper.
Thanks for sharing! Thankfully... the dimension specs are available on the Ford website. You can compare the F250/F350 there. They should be within 1" of each other. It will depend on model as the tire diameter can change making the truck slightly different. No real disadvantage for F350 just check insurance rates as some locations it costs more!
Thank you for sharing this. Always wondered what the difference was.
Very welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Are there differences in Transmission Cooling? Braking?
Same cooling. Same brakes.
"It's exactly THE SAME!" 😂😂
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You can use more lighting underneath the truck when you're showing it off.
Very true. We have a limited budget. Basically do these videos for free to help people.
I don't think you realize you are still under the same DOT law if you get pulled over and your over your stickers payload rating you get a massive fine. other then the you can get away with a f250 with only the a truck camper may be a small trailer. but you need a f350 if you have a camper over 3300 pounds or you will be over watght
That's true. But DOT would have their hands full trying to fine all overweight vehicles. A large number are past GVWR especially SUVs, Jeeps, Small trucks, overland vehicles...
Get in an accident overloaded and the cops will have plenty of time. Injure someone and their insurance co. will too.
@@georgemurphy2922 Always a risk. So is lifted suspension and oversized tires. Good stuff to consider! Thanks for sharing!
@@georgemurphy2922 Reality is they don't typically pick up all the pieces off the road and weigh them...not really an issue. Also, non-commercial use, you generally don't go thru weigh stations or otherwise get policed for weight. So unless it's grossly over to the point that something is obviously, wrong, there is no real risk of legal action.
@@travelintammy6073 I’m not saying it can’t be done safely. Legally is a whole different story. Not that hard to guess which rigs are over weight. Many 3/4T 5ers probably are. Especially diesel owners. The weight of the diesel engine kills the cargo capacity. My truck is in my company. I don’t want the liability personally, or in the company. As OP says, VERY little difference between 250/350 sw truck. Less than $1,000, and that stupid sticker makes me legal, while a more capable 250 (+good air bags) is overloaded w/same load. It is frustrating to have a 250 that is WAAAAY more capable than a older 350 that would be “legal”. User can’t increase the rated capacity by adding overload springs, bags, or better tires. Just remember, insurance company’s don’t want to pay claims, and I see lots of ambulance chasing personal injury billboards. No shortage of folks willing to sue, and if anyone is injured a jury or judge will have a hard time acquitting the owner of an overloaded rig. If your buying a truck, why not get the right tool for the job?
Leaf springs. Got a used 2017 6.2L 350 w/camper package in great condition and price, but would prefer a 250 for some reason. Don't need the camper package or extra payload to tow my TT. Would my ins cost that much less for a 250?
Mostly. But not always. License and registration cost varies by state... Certain states there is limited difference.
Thank you
Welcome! Appreciate it. :)
There is a difference between the f250 and the F350. The transmission is different. Order the 7.3 gas you get a degraded 10 speed. It called the G 10 transmission. Ford changed the interior 10 speed transmission ratios. They also went cheap in my opinion by taking out one clutch pack. This means the diesel F350 gets the beefy 10 speed while the gas version gets a 10 speed which will fail long before the diesel does. 4 clutch packs in the diesel version ,verses 3 in the gas.
You pay a fortune for these trucks and the companies should give you the best that they have.. Take care, think safety first.🤙
I'm curious where you found this information. Everything I've discovered shows the 10R140 (10 speed) is the same for all configurations. There is no G version found. The 6R100G (6 speed) was exclusive for the F250 with 6.2L motor (what I have). I've found no isses with this transmission. Time will tell. It is tuned well for the motor overall. Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper if you go to a ford dealership go into service and ask to talk to a Ford truck transmission tech and he will tell you . Also on the window sticker of a new f250 setting on a dealers lot if you look down at the sticker it will say 10 speed G transmission. And if you want more proof, go to TFL truck website , they have videos of the ford engineers explaining the difference between the two different transmissions.
I hope this helps you find out the rest of the story, 😊
@@kubotaoz6108 Thanks! Appreciate the information.
Good info, thanks.
You bet!! Stay tuned. More to come!
THANKS.
You bet!
3/4 ton vs 1 ton.. payload
Not always... depends on configuration. Some F250 have greater payload than F350. F250 won't exceed 10k GVWR while F350 can... interesting stuff!
My f350 has a 8000# box payload and almost 30000# towing in fifth wheel configuration.
Depends on the brand and the years also. Dodge axles in their 3/4 tons used to be the same size as Ford’s 350,
Check the Frame, brake booster brakes, axles etc. and of course the payload, Never seen a 3/4 ton carry 4K lbs and drive up San Francisco streets,
@@donoberlohTrue. Really need to research each brand and year to know specifics...
3/4 vs 1 ton payload, righhttt , its not that simple
f250 has a 3 inch rear end and the 350 has a 4 inch, however as i just bought a new 2020 250 I got it with a high capacity tow package that increased the gvwr to 10800 and added a 4 leaf spring and an upgraded rear end to 4 inch.
You are correct on the spring packs. Not sure whar you are referring to with 3 inch vs 4 inch...
I believe the high capacity tow package is only on the big block or diesel .
Size of axles tubes. 250 is 4 inch and 350 is 4 inch
In Minnesota the f350 costs $120.00 a year for tabs..the 250 is 4 times that when new..
That's crazy! Guess makes the choice easy..
Yep. In 2 years, the f350 pretty much pays the difference in cost. (In minnesota)
There is an F350 srw option of gvwr derate to 10000 GVWR, like you said it’s basically the same truck especially if you are going with the 7.3 gas or 6.7 diesel. Only noticeable difference from the outside is the F350 has a 3” receiver hitch w a higher rating than the F250s 2.5” hitch.
Good info... thanks for sharing!
My 2020 F250 has 3 inch receiver.
Sounds like buyers remorse to me. The only F 250' s that my dealer will bring in are special order for customers or fleet stock. Go big, or go home!
It seems to vary by area what dealers sell more... no remorse yet! Stay tuned on updates!!
I don’t know if you mentioned the power break booster on my 6.2 gas 2019 F-250 is vacuum and on my 2020 F-350 with the 6.7 diesel the break booster is a Hydraulic Booster not vacuum, good video.
Very interesting. I'll need to look at our booster... curious now if that was a 2020 change or F350 change. Thanks for sharing!
Diesels do not produce vacuum so they are all hydro boost or some older ones had belt driven vacuum pumps
@@espritmike Don’t know what all Ford has, my Chevy 2500 had Hydro Boost breaks with the 6.0 gas motor. I have not had a new Chevy’s in 10 years or so, I don’t know what they have now other than the new Chevy lemons they sold me
350-250=100
So true! But is bigger number better?
And what is your opinion about the f150 and its max payload package? It seems to be good enough for a mid-size camper.
I wouldn't choose any light duty truck for camper hauling duty. We ran a "light weight" four wheel camper 1,400lbs with our 2016 Tundra. It was over 2k lbs loaded on trips with 2 people, food, water and gear. Just on the marginal range. Lots of people do it. But take a look under the F150 and F250 trucks. Massive difference in frame, axles and capacity. Plus, I like the more simple V8 motors in the Super Duty trucks. All the F150 trucks are complicated eco motors: variable valve timing, start stop, direct injection, turbos and on.... Might be fine under warranty but complicated things will be expensive to repair. And everything breaks. Just something to consider. :)
@@TruckCamper thanks for your reply. The eco engine was also one of my biggest concerns.
@@TruckCamper got the F150 with 5L V8 (decided to stay away from turbo) and I'm super happy with it. My camper was a 3500 lbs but I traded it for a motor-home (with the new 7.3L) so no more RV towing for the F150, just payloads under 1,500lbs and occasional dump trailer (under 3k lbs).
@@mtcdnp Nice setup! Glad it's working well for you
He had a bunch of second reasons when choosing the f 250
Yeah. We ordered it custom. Debated the F350. F250 components work for our purposes. Crazy how similar they are. Wish Ford would list all the component differences. Wierd people like me appreciate knowing the axle, tcase, transmission models. Thanks for sharing!
@@TruckCamper When selecting a work vehicle for me or work, I am more under the vehicle than looking at the aesthetics, if I am selecting a used vehicle, I must know axle ratios and model numbers, what kind of transfer case linkage it has, transfer case model, gear ratios it has, what model, and gear ratios the transmission has. What kind of suspension the vehicle has and so forth. I am looked at like I am an alien when I am under the vehicle immediately and ignore the outside when I am selecting a used work vehicle.
@@indridcold8433 Wish more people bought new vehicles this way... we would have detailed specs and likely better products on the market.