@@ScottJohnson Sorry if that came across a bit douchey. Just thought it was worth mentioning because the mailbox is something that makes this mount pretty tempting despite the price. I was going to pull the trigger and buy the tokens to get it but alas there were none available lol. Maybe that’s a sign 😀
I feel like I'm in the same boat as you are with this one, Scott. It just feels really bad. It's not like the people who buy it are bad people or anything like that. It just sucks that it's there. I think the wow token was one of the most financially and psychologically brilliant moves that Blizzard has ever done. Because it has conditioned the playerbase to think of gold as being the same as money. So they've created a logical framework that easily justifies virtually any price point in the shop. So it drastically reduces the pushback when they keep pushing boundaries. And sadly, I don't think we've even come close to hitting those limits yet. The optics are what sucks the most about this. A mount of this price being released along side one of the worst QA tested patches the game has seen in a while. It makes it much harder to justify the subscription model as well. And on top of all of that, is a mount like this even good for the game? I think what I miss the most is when this game was just a game and unlocking cool stuff didn't use credit cards as a mechanic.
I bought 4 Tokens on AH, added them to my wow balance instead of game time. That's €80, the mount is €78. Cost me 1.088.000 gold with a token price of 272.000 gold. They've since skyrocketed to 397.305 gold because a lot of people started doing it. That is so cheap compared to the old AH mount, which was like 5.000.000 gold, and I never got.
Not condoning this, but if you go by a gold equation, this mount is significantly cheaper then the old one as well as better due to having a mailbox since there is no non-cooldown portable mailbox in the game.
Yeah that was what I eventually realized as well. This most definitely is priced to be a similar gold sink as the original brutosaur mount if you were to use gold to buy tokens. Although at current token prices it would cost about 1.4 million instead of 2 million. So in terms of in-game gold it’s not terrible but people will see the 90 bucks and flip out…as I did when I first saw the real money price. And unfortunately, that’s where the reaction will end for most players.
@@dreadbull5039 It doesn't matter that it is cheaper in gold in comparison to the old one. $90 is a lot of money for a digital item and there's a difference in spending your time (in playing a game) to buying something with real money that could be spend on real world things. If people want to do it that's their choice but I would rather not have this be an option at all because it just means that there will be more things that separate people only based on their spending power. Yes, I realize the world is already like that but I don't want to see it in one of my favorite games.
$90 for a mount you can’t get in game on a full priced expansions of a full price game that charges $14.99 a month to be able to play it…. Yeah, sure. Anyone buying these is literally the reason the game industry is messed up focusing on making games as a service targeting whales instead of actually making good games.
@@CleverChrononaut while I would somewhat agree with you, being able to convert gold >> $$ and $$ >> gold gives your in-game gold actual value. Even at it's best price in TBA (Which was around 300k/token) would have cost you $250 in tokens to get 5 million. And that was only during a crazy spike. Most of the time during the whole time this mount was available it was right around 200k so more like $325. Had they made this mount any less than $90, it would have severely devalued the original mount. Now the funny thing about the people who got the original mount. 90% of them will also get this mount because they already have the disposable cash or gold to afford it. To the point that it should just not be an option; I also get that point. A lot of people want this type of mount offered again, even if it means it costs a lot of gold or money (same diff in the end). If I had a way to generate 1.5 mill in gold, I would be buying this mount 100%. Time is money friend: If it only takes me 2-3 hours, especially with overtime to earn the cost of the mount. I might opt to use that money earned to pay for this mount, so I can enjoy playing the game in other ways than to make money/auction house/gather/whatever
For me, it's hearth freedom. It's lets me bind in hallowfall, or anywhere else. There are so many great hearthing locations that are like "lol why would I bind here when there's a city with a portal to stormwind?" Well, this is why. Because you can now. I'll be buying if I like what I hear from the anniversary direct.
120 AUD and I nearly fell off my chair! It feels like one of those mobile phone games where you have to buy their currency to proceed. A slap to the face really
Everyone seems to miss the point: this is not (just) a mount. You pay for the convenience of never having to go to an AH again, never having to relog a bank alt again, just doing some business wherever you are without interrupting your game. We've been having bank alts for 20 years now, not having to keep one is kind of a game changer.
I am tempted. I have a job where I could buy this and be fine. My tension point is that it isn’t something I earned in-game. Like, it’s expensive enough that I’d feel embarrassed using it. I want it just because it looks cool, but I dislike other people thinking I paid for it just to look cool.
when i look at what i spend when I take my family out to dinner or when I do any project around the house, 90 bucks is the same for comparison. I think they priced it well, because for the target audience (someone who's been playing wow for 20 years) a single 90 purchase is right in line with a price point for a nice thing you would get yourself or just spend in daily life, I think. But it is a purely personal choice, that is not everyone's story, and no shade is intended for those who don't align with that thought.
I'm sure this is financially good for them, but it substantially lowers my opinion of the company as a whole (And it's already gotten pretty low). While some can afford it, I can't help but think of the people who are preyed upon by these microtransactions. It's dirty and completely unnecessary. I'm sure that I'm with the majority in not even considering this purchase. It's confusing to me how every company seems to give so little value for money with these microtransactions. I would certainly consider more of these if the value was remotely good, though I get this particular one is specifically to flex how bad of a decision you can make.
As I got over the sticker shock and thought about it a bit I think they priced it like that to be comparable in price as the old brutosaur if you were to use in game gold to purchase tokens and buy it that way. Unfortunately most people are gonna see the 90 bucks and just think greed. And I honestly can’t blame them for that. I agree with you though, it’s not even remotely close to me considering buying it with real money. I wouldn’t even pay half that much honestly. But at current token prices you could actually buy it for about 1.5 million gold in game , which isn’t actually terrible
This is why companies keep getting greedier and greedier. It's because enough ppl will actually spend $90 USD on a digital mount for a video game and it's a higher return on investment than anything else they do.
Who cares? Let those of us who can comfortably afford it happily, buy it. If you can't afford it that's a YOU problem. I've been wanting for this to happen ever since I missed out on the green one. I would have paid up $200 hundred dollars cash. I was already trying to slowly cap my gold with tokens to buy the green one but now I don't have to and it costed me a fraction of what the BMAH would of been.
@@JD-773 It's not about being able to afford it. It's about how if people reenforce this behavior by corporations we'll just end up with games that require these in game purchases with no other options. Like how it's nearly impossible to find an an app that isn't "free" with in app purchases required to use it.
@JPF1077 I can care less about the corporate behavior they provided me with something that I wanted for much cheaper than I was already going to pay regardles. I'm happy.
I don't believe any app or game should be free. The devs had to put in their time and work on that product. They absolutely deserve to be paid for their work. Like my grandfather used to say while you may receive something for free in this world, NOTHING is ever actually free. Somebody had to invest their time and or money into what your getting for free.
I got the old brutosaur, but in the years since, I moved to the EU and have had to re-earn everything I can on a new region. The old brutosaur isn’t available anymore, so there was no way for me to have this functionality again until this came along. I will admit it’s ridiculous and predatory, but they got me; I had to have it. I bought it the moment I heard about it.
I bought this, and there’s a few reasons why but the biggest one is this: I wanted the original, but didn’t have the gold. I’m 44 years old. I work a good job, provide what I need to provide for my family and Blizzard games are how I unwind and spend my limited free time. I did not, and still do not, have the free time to farm the inordinate amount of gold the original mount cost in game; 5,000,000g if I’m not mistaken. I do, however, have a job that affords my family what they need with a little left over for some creature comforts. If you were to do the math and take the WoW token at its highest, around 300,000g for $20, I could’ve bought the original for around $340, supposing the token was that high. So, maybe this is my version of “girl math”, but the $90 was an easy sell for me. Now, is it a predatory practice on Blizzard’s part? Maybe. But so is tying your healthcare to how good of a job you have in this country. Personally, I’d rather deal with the digital whale in video games syndrome.
I think this helps them take shortcuts on game development and still hit their projections for investors. It allows them to be lazy at the players' expense.
I agree. They likely saw good numbers from the bear mount and it's functionality, I'm guessing it did better than most mounts on the shop. Gave them the confidence to give this the go ahead "people weren't that mad" maybe from the bear. This feels like an overreach for something really sought after, that's no longer availible. Maybe they've pushed it this high so if outcry is bad, they can step back in future and it'll make any later store mounts always have "well at least it wasn't expensive as that bronco" or it sells super well and they can push more. In any case, I won't get it. It does feel like too much but a friend sent me a screenshot of dornagal on their server with more than 15 of them already lined up. I've no doubt it's made a lot of money already.
It doesn't matter if you pay money for this mount, use gold or get it as a gift the people who own this have already enabled Blizzard to have a reason to create less content next year. This is why they also have 2 other mount bundles as well (The 12 month bundle and the the 30 dollar bundle with the 8 mounts). Just wait until November 13th for the Blizzard direct. They will not show the roadmap for the content next year because they are trying to make as much money until January 6 next year. Then release the Roadmap with half the patch content everyone had in Dragonflight. So when everyone starts getting pissed of don't complain to Blizzard you know who to blame.
It still is scummy to sell it for irl money straight up and they could of easily put in the game for ingame gold or something else but they are making more cash.
@@italian504 But the other one was already in the game, for much longer than this one will be on the store. Let's say they made it in game only, they would have made it cost over 1 million gold so they could have gotten $100 worth of tokens off people.
@italian504 you obviously are new to WoW... anything on the Blizzard store IS AVAILABLE TO BUY IN-GAME WITH IN GAME GOLD... PERIOD. This mount, at the time it went on sale cost roughly 1.5 million IN-GAME gold to buy (it is now more, but still far cheaper than the 5 million the original went for). You can of course buy it with cash, but you can also farm gold IN-GAME and buy ANY MOUNT on the Blizzard store with in-game gold ONLY. Im sick and tired of people who have no clue what they are talking about complaining about the blizzard store should sell things for in game gold when it has already been doing so LITERALLY FOR YEARS.
@wolfshanze5980 ua-cam.com/video/o80KgfTv1Fc/v-deo.htmlsi=EDfqDaMwMwVuCJiS Ok I'm new apparently. I know you can buy gold with the token but that is the thing, it feels way worse still to this day selling a mount for raw US money and it never will end. You don't need to insult people like that for feeling like the method of obtaining this mount is all wallet based these days. Even if you can buy gold there are methods to make Gold if you put time in like any era of the game which also includes selling runs of raids or challenge mode when they were a thing.
They should just add a couple of "pure" realms (pve/pvp). Where only in-game obtained items & cosmetics are allowed. As for mount itself. I'm fine with it, heck, I would even tolerate a 900$ mount deal for 10 mounts that come out at a pace of one per 3-6 months. If someone out there wants to have something exclusive and support developers, all the while the content pipeline doesn't get affected. Go for it. Would be nice to get some accounting of where the money from such stuff gets spent. If cosmetic mount = 100% shareholder profit; expansion box = 20% salaries; and subscription = 5% new content; stuff like that.
The best way for us to handle it is to ignore it. Jealousy and desire are the keys to this money game. Falling for it just encourages more of the same.
And if it had been cheaper then the people who spent money on tokens or slogged through grinding in BOA to buy it then would have been screaming now. The mistake was not the price, it was doing it at all.
I've got the original Mighty Caravan Brutosaur which cost 5 Million Gold. This new one has a mail box on it which the O.G. doesn't. I might buy it... it's £60 in the U.K. which works out at about $70 so a little over 20% cheaper than in the U.S. if that's even a meaningful comparison. Either way the price is pretty high. Having a mail box is really handy when you're soloing old content.
Making gold is one of my fave things in wow. The only place I feel like I have money. Buy the mount with wow tokens. It’s way cheaper than the OG mount if you use your in game gold to buy the tokens. I think the actual price is too high but I am paying for it with their own digital currency
IMO it was predatory that they took away the original 5 mil gold purchase bruto back in BFA, i know a number of people who threw $500 in to tokens to get it done. I can understand that they wanted it to maintain some rarity and the value of gold changes every xpac but i think that was a poor excuse for taking it away, they could have added another mil to the cost each xpac instead or something to keep the price high. The rarity problem is so bad that whenever it does come on to BMAH it goes for gold cap. It's also problematic that they are time limiting this one, as it forces people to buy out of FOMO and then we're back to the rarity problem and the crappy old one on BMAH still keeps going for gold cap.... i donno, i don't like it but my issues above aren't great enough to be too mad about it.
I would never say that these items you can buy on the store for real money was too much. I thought that Blizzard charges a bit too much compared to other digital items in other games but $90 for one digital item! This is insane and I don't know why anyone is buying it unless they can buy it with gold or they are rich. Not like this isn't going to happen anyway but this is just another sign that prices are going to continue to go up.
What concerns me about this, and it applies to other games as well, is that it will have a knock-on effect. If enough of these sell, Blizzard will feel justified in making everything like this more expensive in the future. We’ve seen it happen before and every time a developer pulls a stunt like this and it works, we all end up paying. Bethesda releases a real money cosmetic horse armour? Suddenly every game has paid cosmetics. Fortnite releases a battle pass? Suddenly every game has a battle pass; even single player games.
Very expensive. Maybe they could have made it a "2 year subscribe reward"? Remember back in the day when we would grind a dungeon/raid 20 or 30 times for mats etc and get all those green drops which we would post to our bank/AH alts? Now we can do the same but have it all at our beck & call. Playing the AH this way, I could quickly make the gold between tiers to pay for it (use the gold to buy my sub each month, instead of RL $). It is pretty, though!
90 for a mount is crazy...so instead I shelled out for 4 30th anniversary mounts...yeah they are making some serious cash either way...guess they figure many of their user base is now aging and sitting on some retirement funds...
Brands used to care about their sterling reputations because it meant long term customer trust and commitment. MMO's used to be about escaping the inequalities of the outside world to immerse yourself in a place with the promise of a true egalitarian meritocracy where you earned prestige through your achievements. To me this is a gross abuse of those values, trading them away for short term gain. Every stunt like this dilutes the value of everything that came before it. It may seem lucrative now, but the more you trade those things away, the less value your name and products have until one day you find you've painted yourself into a corner where there's nothing left people want from you.
Some of us play this game to beat things to death with our swords and wants until they hit the floor and squirt purples. I could really care less what blizzard does to try to make money. I have amazing mounts and stuff I've earned or bought or whatever and they make me happy. If someone wants to spend $90 because it will make them happy, so be it. This is infinitely more attainable than the first variation. Due to the token, it really doesn't matter if it's offered directly in the store or not. Blizzard makes oodles of $ when they drop stuff like this, because people just/would convert $$ >> gold to buy it. At much much higher the premium. Blizzard made the same or more money per mount just by the extra $5 per token. Point is, ultimately, it really doesn't matter. The main issue is FOMO (and I'm not saying you). People can't afford it, so they poo poo about it.
If the game was still restrictive on the fast travel to locations, if they still kept the AH to only thenvanilla cities, if mage teleportation was still a service and tips were high to counter inflation and more, i would see a reason for the mount existing. Even og brutosaur i saw no reason to use it with portals to and from major hubs, mage teleports multiple hearths and so on. I guess last minute purchases at abraid entrance but you could easily teleport back to a city, get summoned at the stone and have no need to pay 90 bucks. However its more scummy when you realize this is a FOMO mount and it leaves the store in January. Why? Cause the fear of missing out creates more impulse buyers
90 bucks is way too much. People say it's cheaper than the old one, but 20% of a pile of shit is still shit. I'm shocked at how much of a non-issue this is for so many people. It definitely feels yucky to me.
It would be one thing if they let this mount be available forever. It would still be kind of gross, but what really puts it over the edge and kind of ruins all the good feelings I had from the start of TWW is the FOMO aspect of it. This is how Blizzard celebrates 20 years of WoW with their players, by giving us a limited time opportunity to spend $90 on a mount? I don't know why I expected better, tbh.
Someone else brought up a good point in these comments. If you convert that 90 bucks into gold. It's actually cheaper than the original mount by almost half a mil.
It’s actually cheaper than the BFA one and it’s better, it has an auction house and a mailbox instead of a repair dude. Wow gold has actual real life value, and this one is cheaper only like 1.5 million gold
When I consider the time it would have taken to farm gold to buy this in game, it's a good value if you equate your time to money. I really don't see the harm. If you think it's too much don't buy it.
If it was a mount i liked id consider it, but this one and the last are just too big to me. Like, if there bear had been an auction house mount at 90 id have almost surely gotten it.
I kinda hate the token thing. It makes me think “this is worth 15 minutes of my time at work or I can farm for tens of hours for 200k gold”. It makes everything seem more transactional now. I have never bought a token but when doing the math it seems dumb not too. 😢
Wow...that pricing. Don't forget to add the tax on that to make it a nice 100 big ones for a mount. And I though their previous mounts and cosmetics were too much. Guess they proved me wrong
No one needs this mount. I bought because I have the income and I know this will make my WoW gaming experience more convenient. It’s also far cheaper than the last Brutosaur. If Blizzard uses this money for the right purposes, I see no problem in my transaction.
World of Warcraft is the only entertainment product I really spend money on, I dont have any streaming services or other hobbies either so spending money on this is well whitin my monthly entertainment allowance. I dont play any other games, I've been playing wow for 20 years and will be playing for another 20 at least.
ok dude, im sorry. get bent blizzard. This is insane!!! seems like the Diablo team is starting to rub off on the rest of the team. To have access to the AH where ever?!?! NAH!
Too much for me, but I guess I don't mind it exists. It does feel a bit money grabby to me, but I'm not gonna get angry over it or something. I'm to old for that
0 dollars spent. Had several tokens accumulated that I've been using to get game time with. Converted to store money, and done deal - bought with in game gold.
I saw this thought oh cool can drop 30-40 bucks and get this. Nope 90 they are out of their minds that's more than an expansion heck that's 2 base expansions cause those go for 40 bucks a piece. 90 is crazy! Also they take the other out of the game and the only way to get this is drop 90 dollars, I think it would be different if the other was still earnable in game.
Way too much for me to waste money on. Agree with you that no point getting peeved about it though. Whoever has nothing better to do with $90 then good for them. I don't actually mind if they put stuff like this onto the Wow store, as long as the rest of the game is well made, interesting and fun to play and don't need to pay your way through the content outside the monthly subscription.
idk the only times i need the auction house is when i get an upgrade and thats usually after a raid or m+. m+ im back in a home city anways, and raid i can just wait till its over. 1 gem isnt gunna make or break a pug. so spending $132 CAD on that is ridiculously huge waste of money for a feature thatll come in handy like, never. same with mail, only getting that when i failed to loot things in a dungeon or when im doing crafting orders, and both of those result in me being in a capital city where a mailbox is lmao. its just more annoying that people trying to defend themselves by calling others who make fun of them "poor", like no, its just being sensible. obvious cash grab is obvious and idiot playerbase falls for it for no reason
$90 is a lot for many people. Fully aware and not discounting that. For me though, I'm used to spending hundreds on retro game cartridges and thousands on magic the gathering cards so for a mount I'll be taking advantage of for the rest of my WoW career because I use the AH a lot, paying $90 for this is definitely worth it for me.
I don't think this is OK, even for whales. Not that they can't afford it or it is bad for them but it isbad for the mass players. If they sell enough of these it might put in their mind that $90 is ok, and gradually all the mounts increase until they are $90 as a standard, becuase Blizzard know that people will pay. I think better in the long run for all, if players show Blizzard this is too much and not buy it.
is it really a lot? a friend of mine got the BFA through blizz tokens .... so he got it through real cash too and I don't think he was far off from this price. is it expensive - yes, is it "that" expensive - nope :D do I think its a crap to sell stuff for this ammount of money? well we had this cnversation since TRH - celestial steed was a name I think - mount (which apperantly earn more money than SC2)
If it was not for the social aspect, I wouldn’t play Warcraft anymore. It is 100% predatory, you have premium game price, then a monthly fee, and a cash shop.
They went full Icarus with this one. They reached for the sun. I would have bought for 30-40. But this also means in a year it'll be available for tendies.
By this point in time, most of the people still playing WoW should be used to this idiocy. I mean this is the same price as the Epic edition of the expansion…. But, if people continue to buy these things then Blizzard will keep selling them. You only have yourselves to blame really..
Too much ! Not the probleme I can afford . But it's a sign of disrespect from the publisher. not Dev , not people who create the content. But those Peoples around the big desk and make fun of ruins our loved game and let some dark aspect of human being let be in and around the game. Really realy PissMeOff , for a "Celebration content".
This why I save my refund from the digital collector for buying the physical, cause they always seem to throw something out like this, this time of year so only cost me like 15 dollars
The “dude on the other side” is a mailbox.
Yeah. Aware.
@@ScottJohnson Sorry if that came across a bit douchey. Just thought it was worth mentioning because the mailbox is something that makes this mount pretty tempting despite the price. I was going to pull the trigger and buy the tokens to get it but alas there were none available lol. Maybe that’s a sign 😀
I feel like I'm in the same boat as you are with this one, Scott. It just feels really bad. It's not like the people who buy it are bad people or anything like that. It just sucks that it's there.
I think the wow token was one of the most financially and psychologically brilliant moves that Blizzard has ever done. Because it has conditioned the playerbase to think of gold as being the same as money. So they've created a logical framework that easily justifies virtually any price point in the shop. So it drastically reduces the pushback when they keep pushing boundaries. And sadly, I don't think we've even come close to hitting those limits yet.
The optics are what sucks the most about this. A mount of this price being released along side one of the worst QA tested patches the game has seen in a while. It makes it much harder to justify the subscription model as well. And on top of all of that, is a mount like this even good for the game?
I think what I miss the most is when this game was just a game and unlocking cool stuff didn't use credit cards as a mechanic.
I bought 4 Tokens on AH, added them to my wow balance instead of game time.
That's €80, the mount is €78.
Cost me 1.088.000 gold with a token price of 272.000 gold. They've since skyrocketed to 397.305 gold because a lot of people started doing it.
That is so cheap compared to the old AH mount, which was like 5.000.000 gold, and I never got.
Tokens have gone way up since then so..
Not condoning this, but if you go by a gold equation, this mount is significantly cheaper then the old one as well as better due to having a mailbox since there is no non-cooldown portable mailbox in the game.
Yeah that was what I eventually realized as well. This most definitely is priced to be a similar gold sink as the original brutosaur mount if you were to use gold to buy tokens. Although at current token prices it would cost about 1.4 million instead of 2 million. So in terms of in-game gold it’s not terrible but people will see the 90 bucks and flip out…as I did when I first saw the real money price. And unfortunately, that’s where the reaction will end for most players.
@@dreadbull5039 It doesn't matter that it is cheaper in gold in comparison to the old one. $90 is a lot of money for a digital item and there's a difference in spending your time (in playing a game) to buying something with real money that could be spend on real world things. If people want to do it that's their choice but I would rather not have this be an option at all because it just means that there will be more things that separate people only based on their spending power. Yes, I realize the world is already like that but I don't want to see it in one of my favorite games.
$90 for a mount you can’t get in game on a full priced expansions of a full price game that charges $14.99 a month to be able to play it…. Yeah, sure. Anyone buying these is literally the reason the game industry is messed up focusing on making games as a service targeting whales instead of actually making good games.
@@CleverChrononaut while I would somewhat agree with you, being able to convert gold >> $$ and $$ >> gold gives your in-game gold actual value.
Even at it's best price in TBA (Which was around 300k/token) would have cost you $250 in tokens to get 5 million. And that was only during a crazy spike. Most of the time during the whole time this mount was available it was right around 200k so more like $325.
Had they made this mount any less than $90, it would have severely devalued the original mount. Now the funny thing about the people who got the original mount. 90% of them will also get this mount because they already have the disposable cash or gold to afford it.
To the point that it should just not be an option;
I also get that point. A lot of people want this type of mount offered again, even if it means it costs a lot of gold or money (same diff in the end). If I had a way to generate 1.5 mill in gold, I would be buying this mount 100%.
Time is money friend: If it only takes me 2-3 hours, especially with overtime to earn the cost of the mount. I might opt to use that money earned to pay for this mount, so I can enjoy playing the game in other ways than to make money/auction house/gather/whatever
@@ablet85 You can get it in game. That’s what the token is for
I don’t buy store mounts but this is one that I would use a lot. That being said $90 is insane
For me, it's hearth freedom. It's lets me bind in hallowfall, or anywhere else. There are so many great hearthing locations that are like "lol why would I bind here when there's a city with a portal to stormwind?" Well, this is why. Because you can now. I'll be buying if I like what I hear from the anniversary direct.
120 AUD and I nearly fell off my chair! It feels like one of those mobile phone games where you have to buy their currency to proceed. A slap to the face really
Everyone seems to miss the point: this is not (just) a mount. You pay for the convenience of never having to go to an AH again, never having to relog a bank alt again, just doing some business wherever you are without interrupting your game. We've been having bank alts for 20 years now, not having to keep one is kind of a game changer.
I feel like this should have been the cost of 2 mounts at MOST. $50 at most.
I am tempted. I have a job where I could buy this and be fine. My tension point is that it isn’t something I earned in-game. Like, it’s expensive enough that I’d feel embarrassed using it. I want it just because it looks cool, but I dislike other people thinking I paid for it just to look cool.
So in other words, you care too much what other people think of you. I'm grateful I don't have issue.
90 for a digital item that "looks cool" when you could spend that on literally anything else and get more value
Easy.
I might have done as much as $50, but $90 is too much. Cost more than the expansion.
I chose to invest a bit more and get a full year of gameplay which is hella more worthwhile.
Definitely worth it. If you do end game content.
when i look at what i spend when I take my family out to dinner or when I do any project around the house, 90 bucks is the same for comparison. I think they priced it well, because for the target audience (someone who's been playing wow for 20 years) a single 90 purchase is right in line with a price point for a nice thing you would get yourself or just spend in daily life, I think. But it is a purely personal choice, that is not everyone's story, and no shade is intended for those who don't align with that thought.
I'm sure this is financially good for them, but it substantially lowers my opinion of the company as a whole (And it's already gotten pretty low). While some can afford it, I can't help but think of the people who are preyed upon by these microtransactions. It's dirty and completely unnecessary.
I'm sure that I'm with the majority in not even considering this purchase. It's confusing to me how every company seems to give so little value for money with these microtransactions. I would certainly consider more of these if the value was remotely good, though I get this particular one is specifically to flex how bad of a decision you can make.
As I got over the sticker shock and thought about it a bit I think they priced it like that to be comparable in price as the old brutosaur if you were to use in game gold to purchase tokens and buy it that way. Unfortunately most people are gonna see the 90 bucks and just think greed. And I honestly can’t blame them for that. I agree with you though, it’s not even remotely close to me considering buying it with real money. I wouldn’t even pay half that much honestly. But at current token prices you could actually buy it for about 1.5 million gold in game , which isn’t actually terrible
@@dreadbull5039I thought about it and decided to buy 3 AA and AAA games that are on special instead of a mount….
This is one of those "lets see what happens" things and once they see people are ok with it there will be next one more expensive and cycle continues
This is why companies keep getting greedier and greedier. It's because enough ppl will actually spend $90 USD on a digital mount for a video game and it's a higher return on investment than anything else they do.
Who cares? Let those of us who can comfortably afford it happily, buy it. If you can't afford it that's a YOU problem. I've been wanting for this to happen ever since I missed out on the green one. I would have paid up $200 hundred dollars cash. I was already trying to slowly cap my gold with tokens to buy the green one but now I don't have to and it costed me a fraction of what the BMAH would of been.
@@JD-773 It's not about being able to afford it. It's about how if people reenforce this behavior by corporations we'll just end up with games that require these in game purchases with no other options. Like how it's nearly impossible to find an an app that isn't "free" with in app purchases required to use it.
@JPF1077 I can care less about the corporate behavior they provided me with something that I wanted for much cheaper than I was already going to pay regardles. I'm happy.
I don't believe any app or game should be free. The devs had to put in their time and work on that product. They absolutely deserve to be paid for their work. Like my grandfather used to say while you may receive something for free in this world, NOTHING is ever actually free. Somebody had to invest their time and or money into what your getting for free.
I got the old brutosaur, but in the years since, I moved to the EU and have had to re-earn everything I can on a new region. The old brutosaur isn’t available anymore, so there was no way for me to have this functionality again until this came along. I will admit it’s ridiculous and predatory, but they got me; I had to have it. I bought it the moment I heard about it.
I'm displeased and cynical and critical about this but I'm also going to end up owning one before the year is over.
I bought this, and there’s a few reasons why but the biggest one is this:
I wanted the original, but didn’t have the gold.
I’m 44 years old. I work a good job, provide what I need to provide for my family and Blizzard games are how I unwind and spend my limited free time. I did not, and still do not, have the free time to farm the inordinate amount of gold the original mount cost in game; 5,000,000g if I’m not mistaken. I do, however, have a job that affords my family what they need with a little left over for some creature comforts. If you were to do the math and take the WoW token at its highest, around 300,000g for $20, I could’ve bought the original for around $340, supposing the token was that high. So, maybe this is my version of “girl math”, but the $90 was an easy sell for me.
Now, is it a predatory practice on Blizzard’s part? Maybe. But so is tying your healthcare to how good of a job you have in this country. Personally, I’d rather deal with the digital whale in video games syndrome.
Nice that it has a mailbox, however i prefer the two Tortollans on the OG Bruto to the Orc/ Human combo ;)
I’ve hit over 20 million gold waiting to buy this mount so I’m excited about it being available again.
I think this helps them take shortcuts on game development and still hit their projections for investors. It allows them to be lazy at the players' expense.
I've long stopped caring about high priced in game items. If people have disposable income and can afford it then great, no skin off my back
Also, it also has a mailbox, unlike the long boy, so this one is better imo.
If they really cared, they would have put the proceeds from bruto together with the duchenne backpack.
I miss when Blizzard made art, not products.
I agree. They likely saw good numbers from the bear mount and it's functionality, I'm guessing it did better than most mounts on the shop.
Gave them the confidence to give this the go ahead "people weren't that mad" maybe from the bear. This feels like an overreach for something really sought after, that's no longer availible.
Maybe they've pushed it this high so if outcry is bad, they can step back in future and it'll make any later store mounts always have "well at least it wasn't expensive as that bronco" or it sells super well and they can push more.
In any case, I won't get it. It does feel like too much but a friend sent me a screenshot of dornagal on their server with more than 15 of them already lined up. I've no doubt it's made a lot of money already.
in EU (€78) the WOW Token sold out IMMIDIATELY at about 310k gold. Over night, the token is now at about 450k.
It doesn't matter if you pay money for this mount, use gold or get it as a gift the people who own this have already enabled Blizzard to have a reason to create less content next year. This is why they also have 2 other mount bundles as well (The 12 month bundle and the the 30 dollar bundle with the 8 mounts).
Just wait until November 13th for the Blizzard direct. They will not show the roadmap for the content next year because they are trying to make as much money until January 6 next year. Then release the Roadmap with half the patch content everyone had in Dragonflight.
So when everyone starts getting pissed of don't complain to Blizzard you know who to blame.
In bfa it was close to $500 to buy the old mount. This is much better option.
It still is scummy to sell it for irl money straight up and they could of easily put in the game for ingame gold or something else but they are making more cash.
@@italian504 But the other one was already in the game, for much longer than this one will be on the store. Let's say they made it in game only, they would have made it cost over 1 million gold so they could have gotten $100 worth of tokens off people.
@italian504 you obviously are new to WoW... anything on the Blizzard store IS AVAILABLE TO BUY IN-GAME WITH IN GAME GOLD... PERIOD.
This mount, at the time it went on sale cost roughly 1.5 million IN-GAME gold to buy (it is now more, but still far cheaper than the 5 million the original went for).
You can of course buy it with cash, but you can also farm gold IN-GAME and buy ANY MOUNT on the Blizzard store with in-game gold ONLY.
Im sick and tired of people who have no clue what they are talking about complaining about the blizzard store should sell things for in game gold when it has already been doing so LITERALLY FOR YEARS.
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Ok I'm new apparently. I know you can buy gold with the token but that is the thing, it feels way worse still to this day selling a mount for raw US money and it never will end. You don't need to insult people like that for feeling like the method of obtaining this mount is all wallet based these days. Even if you can buy gold there are methods to make Gold if you put time in like any era of the game which also includes selling runs of raids or challenge mode when they were a thing.
They should just add a couple of "pure" realms (pve/pvp). Where only in-game obtained items & cosmetics are allowed.
As for mount itself. I'm fine with it, heck, I would even tolerate a 900$ mount deal for 10 mounts that come out at a pace of one per 3-6 months. If someone out there wants to have something exclusive and support developers, all the while the content pipeline doesn't get affected. Go for it. Would be nice to get some accounting of where the money from such stuff gets spent.
If cosmetic mount = 100% shareholder profit; expansion box = 20% salaries; and subscription = 5% new content; stuff like that.
I spend more than $90 at the dispensary every 3-4 days. $90 bucks is nothing when you have a good job.
Well yeah, of course.
The best way for us to handle it is to ignore it. Jealousy and desire are the keys to this money game. Falling for it just encourages more of the same.
And if it had been cheaper then the people who spent money on tokens or slogged through grinding in BOA to buy it then would have been screaming now. The mistake was not the price, it was doing it at all.
I've got the original Mighty Caravan Brutosaur which cost 5 Million Gold. This new one has a mail box on it which the O.G. doesn't. I might buy it... it's £60 in the U.K. which works out at about $70 so a little over 20% cheaper than in the U.S. if that's even a meaningful comparison. Either way the price is pretty high. Having a mail box is really handy when you're soloing old content.
I don't have 5mil gold to buy the old one so Im happy with this mount at least they bring it out for the people that can't afford the old one.
Making gold is one of my fave things in wow. The only place I feel like I have money. Buy the mount with wow tokens. It’s way cheaper than the OG mount if you use your in game gold to buy the tokens. I think the actual price is too high but I am paying for it with their own digital currency
IMO it was predatory that they took away the original 5 mil gold purchase bruto back in BFA, i know a number of people who threw $500 in to tokens to get it done. I can understand that they wanted it to maintain some rarity and the value of gold changes every xpac but i think that was a poor excuse for taking it away, they could have added another mil to the cost each xpac instead or something to keep the price high. The rarity problem is so bad that whenever it does come on to BMAH it goes for gold cap. It's also problematic that they are time limiting this one, as it forces people to buy out of FOMO and then we're back to the rarity problem and the crappy old one on BMAH still keeps going for gold cap.... i donno, i don't like it but my issues above aren't great enough to be too mad about it.
I would never say that these items you can buy on the store for real money was too much. I thought that Blizzard charges a bit too much compared to other digital items in other games but $90 for one digital item! This is insane and I don't know why anyone is buying it unless they can buy it with gold or they are rich. Not like this isn't going to happen anyway but this is just another sign that prices are going to continue to go up.
What concerns me about this, and it applies to other games as well, is that it will have a knock-on effect. If enough of these sell, Blizzard will feel justified in making everything like this more expensive in the future.
We’ve seen it happen before and every time a developer pulls a stunt like this and it works, we all end up paying. Bethesda releases a real money cosmetic horse armour? Suddenly every game has paid cosmetics. Fortnite releases a battle pass? Suddenly every game has a battle pass; even single player games.
Very expensive. Maybe they could have made it a "2 year subscribe reward"? Remember back in the day when we would grind a dungeon/raid 20 or 30 times for mats etc and get all those green drops which we would post to our bank/AH alts? Now we can do the same but have it all at our beck & call. Playing the AH this way, I could quickly make the gold between tiers to pay for it (use the gold to buy my sub each month, instead of RL $). It is pretty, though!
90 for a mount is crazy...so instead I shelled out for 4 30th anniversary mounts...yeah they are making some serious cash either way...guess they figure many of their user base is now aging and sitting on some retirement funds...
Brands used to care about their sterling reputations because it meant long term customer trust and commitment. MMO's used to be about escaping the inequalities of the outside world to immerse yourself in a place with the promise of a true egalitarian meritocracy where you earned prestige through your achievements. To me this is a gross abuse of those values, trading them away for short term gain. Every stunt like this dilutes the value of everything that came before it. It may seem lucrative now, but the more you trade those things away, the less value your name and products have until one day you find you've painted yourself into a corner where there's nothing left people want from you.
Some of us play this game to beat things to death with our swords and wants until they hit the floor and squirt purples.
I could really care less what blizzard does to try to make money.
I have amazing mounts and stuff I've earned or bought or whatever and they make me happy.
If someone wants to spend $90 because it will make them happy, so be it. This is infinitely more attainable than the first variation. Due to the token, it really doesn't matter if it's offered directly in the store or not. Blizzard makes oodles of $ when they drop stuff like this, because people just/would convert $$ >> gold to buy it. At much much higher the premium. Blizzard made the same or more money per mount just by the extra $5 per token.
Point is, ultimately, it really doesn't matter. The main issue is FOMO (and I'm not saying you). People can't afford it, so they poo poo about it.
AT $50, they would have sold a ton of these things!
at $90 they ARE selling a ton of these things
@@mr.grumps3544 Not as much as they would at a better price point though.
If the game was still restrictive on the fast travel to locations, if they still kept the AH to only thenvanilla cities, if mage teleportation was still a service and tips were high to counter inflation and more, i would see a reason for the mount existing. Even og brutosaur i saw no reason to use it with portals to and from major hubs, mage teleports multiple hearths and so on. I guess last minute purchases at abraid entrance but you could easily teleport back to a city, get summoned at the stone and have no need to pay 90 bucks.
However its more scummy when you realize this is a FOMO mount and it leaves the store in January. Why? Cause the fear of missing out creates more impulse buyers
90 bucks is way too much. People say it's cheaper than the old one, but 20% of a pile of shit is still shit. I'm shocked at how much of a non-issue this is for so many people. It definitely feels yucky to me.
I did a pug raid last night and every single person in there had one but me
It would be one thing if they let this mount be available forever. It would still be kind of gross, but what really puts it over the edge and kind of ruins all the good feelings I had from the start of TWW is the FOMO aspect of it. This is how Blizzard celebrates 20 years of WoW with their players, by giving us a limited time opportunity to spend $90 on a mount? I don't know why I expected better, tbh.
This is limited time?
@@dreadbull5039 Yes, it's only available during the anniversary event until Jan 6.
Someone else brought up a good point in these comments. If you convert that 90 bucks into gold. It's actually cheaper than the original mount by almost half a mil.
@@dreadbull5039 You can buy it for the duration of the event which is two months. Thats plenty long to get it if you really want it
The original cost 5 million. This one costs 1.5 to 2 mil with tokens. Great buy if you ask me.
Alachia and I each bought this within 5 minutes of us finding out about it. Yes, we are part of the problem. Disposable income ftw 😅
It’s actually cheaper than the BFA one and it’s better, it has an auction house and a mailbox instead of a repair dude. Wow gold has actual real life value, and this one is cheaper only like 1.5 million gold
saw a few hours ago Blizz already made over $30 million on that mount already, prolly over $50mill now
Sickening. Honestly it makes me want to uninstall and play literally anything else.
As if this is crossing a line when the WoW Token exists. That being said, I managed to buy one of these with gold :)
It's not surprising especially looking at the cosmetic prices in Diablo. People will pay and so they will sell things like this.
Everyone in-game is going to know people spent that money because of the mount's re-skin.
So you are someone who lives life worrying about what others think of you? That must suck
@@mr.grumps3544 or I’m the one judging lol
Tone it down.
For the raider that needs to get their flasks and potions at the raid entrance.
Common sense says: exploitative and predatory.
When I consider the time it would have taken to farm gold to buy this in game, it's a good value if you equate your time to money. I really don't see the harm. If you think it's too much don't buy it.
Didn't say there was any harm.
If it was a mount i liked id consider it, but this one and the last are just too big to me. Like, if there bear had been an auction house mount at 90 id have almost surely gotten it.
I kinda hate the token thing. It makes me think “this is worth 15 minutes of my time at work or I can farm for tens of hours for 200k gold”. It makes everything seem more transactional now. I have never bought a token but when doing the math it seems dumb not too. 😢
Wow...that pricing. Don't forget to add the tax on that to make it a nice 100 big ones for a mount. And I though their previous mounts and cosmetics were too much. Guess they proved me wrong
They'll show you!!! "hold my beer" lol
This is a skeazy way to take advantage of players. It’s not a fair value. Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean it’s good in the long run.
from a casual side, its expensive. From the in game side, it's cheap.
Like anything I guess. People either think the value is worth it or not.
I agree $90 percent.
As just coming from watching Belluar’s $250 LoL skins video, becoming the regular..
Consider $90 a test run I guess..
No one needs this mount. I bought because I have the income and I know this will make my WoW gaming experience more convenient. It’s also far cheaper than the last Brutosaur. If Blizzard uses this money for the right purposes, I see no problem in my transaction.
Oh wow, don’t know how I feel about that
It's fine for players who want it. I don't judge. I had the gold to buy one during BFA, but I do SO little with the AH, I passed. Live and let die!!!
Which is exactly what I said.
World of Warcraft is the only entertainment product I really spend money on, I dont have any streaming services or other hobbies either so spending money on this is well whitin my monthly entertainment allowance. I dont play any other games, I've been playing wow for 20 years and will be playing for another 20 at least.
Yes, it's a lot, and a choice. I won't get it, but won't think one way or the other about others that get it.
ok dude, im sorry. get bent blizzard. This is insane!!! seems like the Diablo team is starting to rub off on the rest of the team. To have access to the AH where ever?!?! NAH!
Too much for me, but I guess I don't mind it exists. It does feel a bit money grabby to me, but I'm not gonna get angry over it or something. I'm to old for that
0 dollars spent. Had several tokens accumulated that I've been using to get game time with. Converted to store money, and done deal - bought with in game gold.
Grats!
I saw this thought oh cool can drop 30-40 bucks and get this. Nope 90 they are out of their minds that's more than an expansion heck that's 2 base expansions cause those go for 40 bucks a piece. 90 is crazy! Also they take the other out of the game and the only way to get this is drop 90 dollars, I think it would be different if the other was still earnable in game.
Way too much for me to waste money on. Agree with you that no point getting peeved about it though. Whoever has nothing better to do with $90 then good for them. I don't actually mind if they put stuff like this onto the Wow store, as long as the rest of the game is well made, interesting and fun to play and don't need to pay your way through the content outside the monthly subscription.
Tell me again how the US economy is so bad when people are shelling out $90 for a digital mount without hesitation?
I wouldn't tell you that because I don't think that's the case at all.
It's too expensive and a cash grab. But I am also a hypocrite and bought it for the convenience factor. I hate myself for it.
Isn't this the one that cost like 50million gold? So now you know how much 50 million gold in WoW is worth - $90.
90 dollars in a game with a monthly subscription and paid expansions?
idk the only times i need the auction house is when i get an upgrade and thats usually after a raid or m+. m+ im back in a home city anways, and raid i can just wait till its over. 1 gem isnt gunna make or break a pug. so spending $132 CAD on that is ridiculously huge waste of money for a feature thatll come in handy like, never. same with mail, only getting that when i failed to loot things in a dungeon or when im doing crafting orders, and both of those result in me being in a capital city where a mailbox is lmao. its just more annoying that people trying to defend themselves by calling others who make fun of them "poor", like no, its just being sensible. obvious cash grab is obvious and idiot playerbase falls for it for no reason
$90 is a lot for many people. Fully aware and not discounting that.
For me though, I'm used to spending hundreds on retro game cartridges and thousands on magic the gathering cards so for a mount I'll be taking advantage of for the rest of my WoW career because I use the AH a lot, paying $90 for this is definitely worth it for me.
I don't think this is OK, even for whales. Not that they can't afford it or it is bad for them but it isbad for the mass players. If they sell enough of these it might put in their mind that $90 is ok, and gradually all the mounts increase until they are $90 as a standard, becuase Blizzard know that people will pay. I think better in the long run for all, if players show Blizzard this is too much and not buy it.
If I get one I’d only use it out in the wild we’re no one can see me so I don’t get grief for it 🤪🤪
is it really a lot? a friend of mine got the BFA through blizz tokens .... so he got it through real cash too and I don't think he was far off from this price. is it expensive - yes, is it "that" expensive - nope :D
do I think its a crap to sell stuff for this ammount of money? well we had this cnversation since TRH - celestial steed was a name I think - mount (which apperantly earn more money than SC2)
Plus tax!
It’s for the addicts
Can I get one on layaway?
Why stop there Buzzard? Go full Star Citizen and sell the Horde blimps for $750.
Their predatory behavior knows no limit.
They sell because people will buy
Well yeah.
Way to much...if it was the regular 25 30 I'd get it...but 90...no way. I didn't buy the new bear either.
I bought the bear. And for kinda dumb reasons. I was just sick of looking at the yak.
If it was not for the social aspect, I wouldn’t play Warcraft anymore. It is 100% predatory, you have premium game price, then a monthly fee, and a cash shop.
It was $120 AUD. Totally worth it, it's a gorgeous mount.
They went full Icarus with this one. They reached for the sun. I would have bought for 30-40. But this also means in a year it'll be available for tendies.
By this point in time, most of the people still playing WoW should be used to this idiocy. I mean this is the same price as the Epic edition of the expansion…. But, if people continue to buy these things then Blizzard will keep selling them. You only have yourselves to blame really..
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Too much ! Not the probleme I can afford . But it's a sign of disrespect from the publisher. not Dev , not people who create the content. But those Peoples around the big desk and make fun of ruins our loved game and let some dark aspect of human being let be in and around the game. Really realy PissMeOff , for a "Celebration content".
Pass
Too much
It's gross.
This why I save my refund from the digital collector for buying the physical, cause they always seem to throw something out like this, this time of year so only cost me like 15 dollars