What is Pratyahara? - Why the breath is RELIABLE - 5 breath states
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Huge reveal in this video. After talking about light, I wanted to go back to BASICS. What makes the breath so great? The 5 Breath States make every meditation reliably deep.
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Damn.. wow. And yes sir, keeping the exhalation breath longer helps instantly. All the meditation hacks are unique gems from you. Have a great day
Excellent! So happy you are working it! Congratulations! Thank you for your kind words!
Forrest Knutson yes the baby steps and tiny but most crucial check points that you provide are v accessible and hence motivating goals. This is what was missing. Brings much clarity
MUSIC TO MY EARS! Wonderful!!!
Thank you so much for this! I am going to watch and rewatch this informational video until it becomes part of my understanding.
Sarah that's wonderful! If you'd like to watch the Heart Rate Variability playlist that will give you the first secrets to the breath.
i feel so relaxed and my body is like floating 😊 its a pleasant experience but i feel that i have no bones and body
Kaushal! That's fantastic! You just entered into the beginnings of interiorization!
each nostrils openness is determined by the opposite brain hemisphere. The doing brain or the intuitional brain. In the morning the left nostril will be more open and during work the right nostril will be more open. During meditation they will balance.
Great video as always. Thank you. Ps. I find the music in the background disturbing but that's because I'm not a native english speaker, maybe. Other than that, great job:)
Beautifully expressed, felt and explained. Aum Guru Aum
Parmila, I'm so glad you liked this one!!
Love your excitement which In turn gets me so pumped. Thank you
Awesome Bob!
Forrest, you provide a lot of useful information. Thank you.
Unfortunately, I feel like a newbie after reading the comments!
This is what I understand so far. HRV is something we should practice to lower our breathing rate. A low breathing rate (which hopefully comes naturally) will help in meditation.
If I achieve a natural HRV, I will in theory be able to enhance my Hong Sau practice, which so far has been "touch and go"
The Om technique presents a problem to me: holding the arms up speeds up my breathing... I can sense it, so that is probably hindering my practice. All I hear is the sound of my breath and sounds of crickets some times. This technique for me is absolutely "touch and go", not repeatable...
Then, I am not sure when the 5 States of Breathing occur.
Will they happen during Hong Sau?
Finally, I am not sure how to relate HRV with Kriya breath. My Kriya breaths tend to be long, as I concentrate carefully during each Kriya. It would be difficult for me to complete one Kriya breath in 10 seconds (at my current HRV rate of 6 breaths per minute). Could you elaborate on the relationship between HRV and the length of a Kriya breath?
The 5 Breath States happen as we dive deeper and deeper into HRV. ... Train HRV in order to train your Kriyas. So, do HRV Breathing, get the Hands Hot and Heavy (HHH). Then use this to inform your Kriyas. Practice Kriya and make sure your hands continue in HHH.
Very clear explanation, Forrest! I love the no-tech natural approach; it makes it available to everyone!
Mauricio! Thank you! That's exactly my hope.
Hi Forrest,
It looks like you have a lot of experience with Yoga and your scientific approach to the matter is very special. I never saw anyone mix the two so well before. I am very interested in the subject but I dont know what logical progression to follow. Can you recommend a guru/books in a logical order of progression?
I absolutely can! and I just sent you an email. Also, I have a video called 3 Books to Enlightenment. Perhaps you'd like to start there, as those join a deep spiritual path (the original kriya yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya) and the study of the Right Brain. Under the video there are links, and I have a huge list of books, which I love.
And thank you so much for the compliment! This study and practice is my life, and a joy to share.
Forrest Knutson Thank you so much Forrest. Deeply appreciated. I hope you wont mind my frequest posts as I plan to hop around your channel for a few hours. Your channel is actually a treasure trove for me. Years ago when I got into it, the school took so long between giving out these different techniques that by the time I got them, my enthusiasm was curbed. Also they were secretive so you had to wait. Now with your channel, perhaps for the first time so much valuable information is in one place readily accessible. Dont undervalue your channels importance.
Forrest Knutson And a joy to learn!
Music to my ears, right there!! Thank you, so much! I want it to be that, and have worked to make it a treasure trove. I hope that value will only increase with time. You are so welcome here, and I love that you're hoping around.
Mind-blowing 👍👍
Awesome!!
Great teacher 👍👏😀
Thank you!!
I do isha kriya and i feel like i don t have a body ,like i whirl in the air and my eyelid moves when i am in that condition,what s that?i do isha kriya for 50 days
When the body relaxes we can get sensations of feeling very light. We might also experience the sensation of falling, as the length of the muscles increases with relaxation they send a signal to the brain that we are falling. Because they get confused as the length changes. So, all of that is a very good thing. That would be my best guess of what you are experiencing.
Got it! thank you.
Wonderful! I'm glad it was helpful.
It sounds wonderful yet I could not understand, I will wait to ask till I watch all your videos and do the practises... (I could not understand how breath can go to third eye but it seems maybe we are not talking about just the physical dimension of breath) again thank you, this channel is amazin.g.
Thank you!
Immensely valuable indeed. Thank you for shedding light on Lahiri Mahasaya numbers and the connection between HRV and the breath states. I always wondered how does one get into Pratyahara with just 12 kriyas. I need a little clarification, HRV is just the beginning of pratyahara right ? According to your book you say pratyahara proper is penetrating the Kutastha and Samadhi is merging with the light in the spine. Could you kindly clarify.
My book was the best I had at the time I wrote it. My understanding has gone on considerably. Interiorization begins when the ida and pingala come into balance, and the heart begins to save heartbeats. That means the breath and the heart have begun to come into resonance. When you get to the end of the 5 breath states, it is in complete resonance! Which is very deep. Saving those heartbeats, and sitting very still allows the extra energy to be used by the yogi for self-exploration and realization. One of my students pointed out to me that without HRV you're not going to see the light. I agree with him. The beauty though, of the Breath States, is they will guide you into a hugely deep state for every single meditation, without ever having to depend on seeing light or hearing sound. It is completely physical and reliable.
Thank you for your reply Sir. So, after the 5th breath state one continues with the pranayama until one sees the Kutastha (which now I understand is the state Lahiri Mahasaya labels as the state after 144 kriyas ) ? Penetrating the Kutastha is a long way from the 5th breath state though, am I right ?
@@ashwins.selvarajan1714 after the breath states (pratyahara) comes the unraveling of the 3 knots. But we are already at the mouth of the cave, and integration could happen at any moment. There are ways 2 initiate this integration and not just wait for it and I would like to put that into a video but it's a lot of deep Concepts and it's a little work I need to build up to it
Thank you, Sir. I eagerly look forward to the videos elaborating these concepts.
Thank you, Ashwinji.
Wonderful.
Iam SPEECHLESS...considering myself very blessed ..the Cosmic powers are guiding me....THANKYOU.
Please guide and tell me how to contact you...Please.🙏
Hi Mantu! You can reach me at thatyogiguy@gmail.com ... Looking forward to hearing from you!
What are your views on Butyeko Breathing?
These guys talk about Co2 tolerance but add that when the breath holding time after exhalation the moves above or close to 60'sec people need sleep have better sleep and many benefits come out.
I love the Butyeko Breathing.
Is there a version without the music? So distracting.
Hi Forrest,
Firstly I would like to say thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I have a few questions:
What are the best practical benefits meditation has given you overall? Do you feel like you have a sharper mind, more energy, etc or are the changes more subtle and psychological?
How do you think Kriya Yoga / the 5 breath states relate to the buddhist Jhanas? Is the end goal effectively the same or are these separate paths?
Typically I've practiced within the Jhana framework and going through the 5 breath states seems to allow me to bypass the high bliss states entirely (what I consider to be the lower Jhanas) and go directly into a state of stillness / clarity.
Hi Chris! I just did this interview which talks about a few benefits my particular meditation practice:
thriveglobal.com/stories/how-do-you-meditate-11/
I'm so glad you're practicing the 5 Breath States! That's fantastic! Yes, exactly, they make your road short by bypassing many early states of meditation. ... I'm a little unclear on the Buddhist definitions, as there seem to be a multitude of interpretations. One more reason to define meditation by medical terms. If I can find a source of the Jhanas that makes sense to me, I'd be happy to do a video. ... I would say that the Buddhist and the Yogi are seeking the same thing, though they may call it by different names and attributes. Great hearing from you Chris!
@@ForrestKnutson Thanks for your reply. Could you explain what you mean by "the Truth of it all" as you say in the interview?
In terms of a source of the Jhanas, you're right that there are many different interpretations of them, some of which are covered here by Leigh Brasington: www.leighb.com/jhanantp.htm. In general, Leigh has done a lot of study around the Jhanas - they even took fMRI and EEG scans of his brain while he went through the states and there was a paper published on it. It would be interesting to understand what the differences are between Yogic and Buddhist practices on a biological / neuroscientific level.
Chris, I wanted to thank you for mentioning this to me. Yes, absolutely. By completing the 5 breath states, you have completed all of the first 4 jhanas. There are 5 breath states, because we begin with nothing. Jhanas start with the first experience of a directed mind. So, they actually align most perfectly as 4 and 4. The higher jhanas are a fantastic program for the engagement of the right hippocampus. I talk about this in terms of dilating the eyes (physical, to create psychological) and letting go into the Ajna chakra in the medulla. Just beautiful.
Chris, I'm just seeing this second comment. Thank you for the link! I will check that out. ... "The Truth of It All" is in the Right Hippocampus, which is the home of every single picture. .... Everything that we think has as it's basis a picture underneath it. Fascinating, right? So, every time we think a word with the left brain, the right brain brings the meaning with a picture. It was Milton Ericson who pointed out about everything being a picture at heart. .... All of those images are held in the Right Hippocampus, and when we touch on that in meditation we go, "Oh my God, I know everything!!" and we want to go out and tell all our friends and anyone who will listen. But then we can't actually explain it, we just Know that we Know! Because we just hit the center of all meaning and all knowing in the brain! The 4 Immaterial Jhanas are actually a perfect description of Absorption (what yoga calls Dhyana or Laya) into that right brain structure. This is home of the Non-Dual state, what is often referred to as the Void.
11:25 I watched this part like 8 times and it sounds a lot like what Nadi Shodhana pranayama is trying to accomplish.
Am i correct?
Yes, that's correct!
The method theta healing?is like heart rate variability?
Not the same thing. The "theta healing method" may eventually induce HRV, but the real link to HRV is the breath, not brainwaves. The breath is always the biggest handle in the body. The biggest tool to cause a cascade of shifts in body and mind. :)
one more question. Approximately how long is the kriya breath to get HRV with just one kriya breath ?
I hesitate to present that as a goal. Because striving for that could put you into stress, which is sympathetic. HRV begins at 7 breaths per minute, which isn't that low. That's exciting, because it makes Pratyahara (HRV) accessible for so many. You are doing it! So, no need to be in a hurry. Let your body dictate the time to you, and allow it to appear to you. The health of the whole body comes into play, and allowing things to come to you will help you to get to deeper and deeper states. ;)
Thank you very much.
"Allowing" is indeed the key. I find that I slip to lower breath states quite easily..could you please give some tips to sustain oneself and how to be open to allow for the deeper states.
@@ashwins.selvarajan1714 a big key is the heart. First we want to reach a state of emptiness or silence. That's where all my tips for no mind come in very handy. Then when we are saving Heartbeats, and we are in a state of silence or semi silence, then integration comes much more naturally. In that state it is the perfect time to ask questions and get answers from the gamma brain wave. These answers will be surprising because they don't come from the linear linguistic mind. They show us integrated knowledge of ourselves and ways that can transform Our Lives. So first save heart beats, then no mind, then we want to access the limbic brain. The reflection of the limbic brain is the heart. Which is why we hear so often of adding Devotion to meditation. The brain waves for this is Theta. So there you have an incredible three step process. Heart rate variability, no mind, integration. We know these as pratyahara dharana and dhyana.
Thank you very much for this. You had a very nice diagram in -Hacking the Universe -mapping the path from yama-niyamas to Kaivalya. It would be very helpful if you could kindly label these additional distinctions on the diagram at some point. Is my understanding correct that the state of silence is the 5th breath state and the lower ones are semi-silence or does the silent mind come after the 5th breath state ?
I have heard that a perfect kriya pranayama takes 22 sec for in breath and 22 sec for out breath, with the awarness passing through each chakras while breathing and with the throat constrained. Is it all necessary?
The out-breath should always be slightly longer than the in breath. This is very important especially in the beginning otherwise the person may not be stimulating the parasympathetic nervous system enough. Because they are so out of balance. And by by that I mean the most all of us have started this journey very out of balance. So this is very natural and this is why the out-breath has to be longer it's very very important. The constriction of the throat is only for those who don't practice khechari. Lahiri Baba always taught khechari. Now imagine that your tongue is in the nasopharynx. How well do you think you will breathe through your mouth? The answer of course is that you won't. I hope this helps. I would love to give you create a right here and now. But of course I'm not able to do that over the internet.
@@ForrestKnutson Thank you so much. 😊😊😊
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I see the light but it keeps on disappearing and re emerging. Is it possible to see it continuously?
That's perfectly normal. I have a video on the OM technique. If you practice this often it will improve and become more steady.
Is there any application which can control.ourgoing breath
Very good HRV....Thanks
@@ForrestKnutson how to access OM technique video
And my breath becomes too small.
Have you seen my HRV Breathing videos?
@@ForrestKnutson I am watching all your videos now, and have subscribed you too. Your videos are extremely helpful.
@@rajasen541 perfect! The HRV Breathing will help your Breath tremendously.
pratyahara is not heart rate variability. this is crap
As the heart rate goes down, and the Dorsal Vagal is stimulated, the perception is withdrawn automatically. It's simply how the body works.
@@ForrestKnutson yes but its not prtyahara
@@ForrestKnutson you dont have to do HRV to achieve pratyahara...one can simply lie down (Yog nidra ) or sit and remove awareness from the body through focussing in the centre of head through various visualisation techniques..if you are aware of your body, heart beat or even breathing then you still not have enetered pratyahara.
@@archishmanlahiry9401 ... which will induce HRV Resonance. You cannot escape the lowering of the heart rate.
@@ForrestKnutson no one is trying to escape lowering of heart beat as it is not the primary goal, pratyahara is the primary goal. Even while you are dreaming in sleep pratyahara is happening naturally without going through the process of HRV. Bothering about heart beat is not necessary. Lucid Dreaming is another way after yog nidra. LD takes pratice but its awesome technique.
You have good knowledge, but your presentation is not upto mark, you make it so difficult to understand, please take help of pictures, diagrams , or PowerPoint presentation...
Thank you, Vivek, that's a great suggestion.