Yogi explains pratyahara - interiorize every meditation
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- As soon as the ida and pingala are balanced, we enter into "sandhya" which is the beginning of pratyahara. In the end of that process, we are free of all sensory imput, deep in the cave of the spine.
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Your videos are the bedrock of my Saturdays, after a crazy go-go-go work-week. I loved your concept of a yoga retreat at home and my Sat retreats start with a playlist of your videos. This was a deep dive, for sure, and how I'm relating to it at this stage in my practice is that often when I meditate I lose all sense of my own limbs as well as any attachment to noises outside my home. I timed my breaths and I was easily able to keep them at 5-7 per minute so this was an affirmation I'm on the right path. I hope more people find your channel b/c your videos explaining yoga and breathwork (I love how you get into the science) are the best out there!
Though I appreciate everyone putting information out here , yours is really practicle and clear to me. Thank you so much !
THANK YOU! That's exactly my aim. And isn't that the path of yoga? It is the path of practical action.
@@ForrestKnutson please, something helpful for go in the breathless state ...i am a kriya yoga practioner
@@enrico43869 hi, nice to meet you! HRV is the beginning of that. Be sure to watch Clinical Mindfulness and make sure you can accomplish all of the proofs. From that point we can build.
@@ForrestKnutson wat is hrv?
@@enrico43869 it's Heart Rate Variability. I have a Playlist called Heart Rate Variability Meditation. Take a look at those and get yourself the 4 Proofs I mention.
Thank you so very much guruji!🤩🙏🙏🙏 You put everything in a clear and concise terminology that finely explains the ancient language of yoga with the modern understanding in order to achieve mastery of meditation. 🕉🙏🙏🙏🙏
Forrest, thank you for patiently explaining the scientific concepts behind how meditation works. Thank you for introducing and defining meditation vocabulary. Your channel is unique in that it offers technical advice on how to meditate effectively. Much and sincere gratitude. 🙏
Thank you Kathy! That is exactly my purpose! Thank you so much for your feedback and comments!
hello Forrest ! you are so generous in your sharing of information that you have reached the high level of spirituality where you have only love and the desire to give. You are very precious to me and I thank you with my heart for your help. I'm making great progress !!! Plein de belles choses...💕🕉️
Sylvie! I'm so glad to hear about your progress! That's fantastic! And thank you so much!
Wow, forrest I now watched this video third times (or fourth actually), and it's amazing, especially now I caught the last part when you describe the wedding. That's what I have experienced, the "smoke like" energy all around the head, clear feeling, releasing of tensions.
Thank you, Forrest. As a yoga and meditation instructor, I always enjoy the extending of the breath. Now I have the glorious pearls of the particulars.
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Del i absolutely love that! 🙏🐳🐳
You are clearly the right person appearing at the right time for yoga. Hardly any medical textbook does not applaud the benefits of meditation, without ever explaining HOW the meditations achieve that end. We may be looking at a time when that explanation provided by yogis such as yourself, finally provides a Dharma path to enlightenment for all humans. In my humble opinion what you are talking about is that big!
Wow, Ellen! Thank you so much! I didn't actually see myself here sharing things, however my 25 years obsession with understanding meditation has grown so big, I felt the need to let it spill over here.
You are 100% correct!
@@kantamasters thank you.
Dear Forrest! Thank you for such a clear scientific explanation of Pratyahara.Very often this stages is neglected by yoga teachers. Of all stages the pratyahara is probably the least known.However, it is a key between the outer and inner aspects of yoga. It shows us how to move from one to the other. Thank you again! 🙏🏻❤️
You're so welcome Svetlana! Well said, and thank you for sharing! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
So true Svetlana! I was making progress and wondering what is my next step, and how do I get there? And suddenly - poof!- this older video materialized before me! And what a great discussion you have made Forrest! I am now going to get into the cave and stay there as long as I can.
The problem with other teachers even though their methods would work they simply say way focus on ur third eye . But you haven’t brought down yourself to certain level . That’s why it didn’t work . Very few people can do that and they glorify the method and others wondering why it doesn’t work . I am back to square one now and realized I need to bring my breathing down . If it takes 30 minutes to bring it down so be it . After I found Forrestji I understood why .
Excellent and useable information. This REALLY MAKES SENSE.
We are fortunate to be in communication with you!! DOUG G in LV
Thank you Dougji! I've spent my life putting all this together, so it's a real joy to share it with you.
This is such an eye opener ,I'm grateful to this instructions, reading yoganandas books and attempting to learn meditation has changed my mind heart and path having proper instruction of the basics is a Gem ,the body n mind really love tha reduced HRV effects I'm beginning to feel subtle effects of deeper Peace n relaxation, I struggle with depression n anxiety and fear of the future ,no meds have helped my attempts at meditation allowed me to at least take action and cope ,I'm now feeling deeper quality of my sitting ,calmer I appreciate the time and effort and service you are making to empower us in the sea of chaos .Peace Peace Peace Amen
Joseph! I'm so happy to hear that! That you are doing so well with HRV. Music to my ears! Keep going with and it will continue to lift you up. God bless!
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I saw this video last night...practice this 3 things you explain to get in heart rate V and it works! Now it was something out of this world...i diverted the atention from the forhead sensation to the medula as you explain then dilatate my eyes as you explain and feels like I was inside a shiel and I was a compact mass...the medium outside the shield was moving lineal super fast...there was a lot of movement but me and mi shield, we were static, very firm and save...like flying all arround the room... Was amazing. 8 month on meditation and last night a big shift took place. Thank you
Alex, that's really fantastic! I'm so happy for your success! Now you know where the magic begins: with HRV!
Extremely excellent information shared in a very simple style.Thanks.
Wow that was amazing! Thank you for the explanation. Very motivational too.
Thank you, Willie! That's exactly what I'm going for. I'm giving away everything I've discovered, as fast as I can. And I hope to make it motivational and actionable, and even a little entertaining, as I can.
Thank you Forrest!
THANK YOU! For watching!
So happy I found your channel. Thanks for sharing all this information.
Thank you Sheila!
Sometimes it only take me 5 minutes to my breath to 6 per minute to get to meditation but sometimes it takes me more than 10 minutes.
Thank you.
That's great, Lalielou!
Pratyahara itself is termed as yoga, as it is the most important limb in yoga sadhana.
-Swami Sivananda
Absolutely! Great quote!
Stop quoting nonsense. Yogaha Samadhi - Sage Patanjali in YogaSutras.
Yoga is Samadhi alone. At least you are not calling Asanas as Yoga, but Pratyahara? Please, please read the first authority on Yoga - Sage Patañjali without whose work, the world would not even be talking about Yoga.
that makes me feel really good
God level explanation skills 🙏🙏🙏
😀 That made me smile! Thank you so much! I've wrestled with Pratyahara for a long time, so it's very fulfilling to frame it in a way that makes it more approachable.
@@ForrestKnutson I've done with my regular meditation session ,and I've jus now tried stretching exercise😣😣😭😭I'm unable to bend even slightly ,my hamstrings are very short probably ,I began doing cardio since I began meditating hoping that it would help with my posture and overall flexibility ,it did help me but when I tried stretching jus now ,I'm unable to bend forward ,forget about the tip of the toe ,I jus can't even bend fully ,it's very painful ,anyhow I'm looking forward to devlop flexibility gradually ,any suggestions for me????
Hi Sai Pavan! My only recommendation is to take it slow and easy! The greatest benefit will be in the trunk of the body, where it stretches your internal organs and arteries. The legs are also extremely valuable to stretch. Doctors often refer to the legs as the 2nd heart! Easy does it, and you'll make progress in no time.
@@ForrestKnutson I've started stretching today mrng ,and I'm looking forward to inculcate this into my daily routine and I'll definitely follow your advice ,have a good day ,I got a dbt about our timelines ,it's 22:41 of March 27 th in INDIA(I live in South),what's the time there 😁😁😁😁
Thank you Forrest. I love how you put these ideas across. I am going to try your way. SlowYogaSal
Thank you, Sally! Wonderful!
Thank you so much for demystifying this process. I think you're on to a real modernized tantra! 😁
I'm so glad you saw this one! Thank you so much!
Thank You!
Thanks you sir for sharing your wisdom. You have put me on the path of meditation.
That's beautiful Sanket! Congratulations!
Just Amazing amazing explanation Guruji thanks so much
Subha, what an amazing student you are!!
Please make video on kriya yoga and how it's different from other yoga system. Thanks.
I definitely will, thank you! You mean the Kriya Yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya, right? Just checking as the Kriya Yoga name has been recently hijacked.
Absolutely fantastic. Hoping to try.
Wonderful!
Another great video! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
the music is not only loud but comes and goes at random times. very distracting
Always more to glean
So blessed
Thank you:)
Thank you Diane! God bless!
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This is brilliant. Thank you.
Thank you!
Dear Forrest, Thanks for the nice video. However, I perceive heart rate variability similar to Pranayama . If that is correct, then I have a question:
@8.20 you say "do not take pauses"; however in Kumbhaka Pranayama it is advised to hold breath as long as possible so that it will, in turn, reduce need of repeatative breathing thus ultimately aiding to lower heart rate/beat. Kumbhaka is traditionally followed by Yogis. So please advise what is to follow- i.e. not having pause between inhalation and exhalation or holding breath longer naturally without being stressed? Which of these would be more beneficial?
Absolutely. HRV breathing is a pranayama, which leads to balance. That balance is the beginning of Pratyahara. That is the doorway.
Yes, Kumbhaka is a wonderful path, and a part of my own lineage. And it is strengthened exponentially when it is coupled with HRV. I teach HRV in a way that makes it difficult to get wrong, in order to insure that people are actually able to get into HRV during every meditation. Once that is stable a kumbhaka practice may begin. Without first establishing HRV, however, there is a whole world that is being missed. Great question, thank you!
A little off-topic but I have this query from quite some time and can’t ignore it anymore so here it goes…
*How important are **_recharging exercises_** ?*
Some exercise is very helpful, as the muscles work as small battery chargers, so working the muscles helps to charge the body. Doesn't have to be the EE exercises. Light stretching is my favorite, as stretching has been proven as superior to all other exercise in the health of the heart. I will be putting up a video about the article supporting that. Lahiri Mahasaya asked his students to do Maha Mudra, which is a special form of the Forward Bend. It's an incredible stretch if you do it right. Stretching most all of the muscles in the body simultaneously.
A video would be really helpful. Thanks💜!
@@gaurav5161 Excellent. I'll put it on the list!
Sir could you tell me in which stage of kriya yog are you please
Hi Alok, I was initiated into the Panchanan Bhattacharya line, trained through all 7 kriyas, and was made a kriya guru. Does that answer your question?
Thanks sir
So funny I had headphones in my ears listening to your video while do the breath work. Because the headphones where in my ear I could hear my heart rate increase and decrease. It was something I was observing. Then you you were talking about it. Lol
That's so cool!
Awesome share 🙌🙌🙌🙏🏼
Thank you kindly 🙏🏼 🙏🏼
Hello Forrest. When I do the opened eye meditation and everything merges together after few minutes, my breath automatically changes to mouth breath. Can you explain why is that so? And also, is it okay to do mouth breathing in some cases? Because when I take all the visuals in with opened eyes, I can't help it but to breath through the mouth. Does mouth breathing have any significance in yoga?
Thank you for the wonderful clear explanation and definitions Forrestji. I have two questions 1. Which breath state would you call Sandhya ? 2. In the new definition of Pratyahara, the senses are still not fully reversed yet, am I right ?
Thank you Ashwinji! 1. Heart Rate Variability BEGINS as soon as we get to the 2nd breath state, which would mean that Sandhya has begun. But, it doesn't complete until we reach the 5th Breath State. So, the final Breath State would be the completion of the marriage. 2. Yes. So as soon as the ida and pingala begin to balance, then we begin to flow in the sushumna. I'm proposing that as soon as we begin to flow in the sushumna, that this is the beginning of pratyahara, which is then completed in degrees of interiorization. And, I'm proposing that this is exactly what Lahiri Mahasaya was proposing.
Thank you, Sir.
You're welcome!
@@ForrestKnutson You make everything not only much clearer, but also feeling more attainable! From reading the comments we gain amplification and nuances to what is presented in the video. Yes!
@@kantamasters that's music to my ears. Yes! It is all right within, waiting for us.
Forrest should I watch this first ? Really cool I"m kind of dumb and I can kind of understand your video.I like Sadhgruru but listening to Indian is hard for me being from the West. I hope that me putting this video on playlist and watchlng over and over will help me. I am a 65 year old recovering stroke victim who is deaf and screwed up on the right side of my body . . .
Rich! Great to hear from you, and I'm sorry to hear of your troubles! This video is a wonderful place to start. The thing that I hope you'll integrate is all of the Heart Rate Variability videos:
ua-cam.com/video/SA_hOKd0Djw/v-deo.html
And this is the beginning technique that I teach, which integrates all of this information:
ua-cam.com/video/uVg82K_eSPA/v-deo.html
Get HRV. That's the thing I want for you, and the first proof is that your hands, or a hand, becomes hot and heavy in meditation. Thanks again, Rich, and I hope this helps you!
Thanks for the link Forrest I have added it to the other video in my playlist and I will watch them till I feel I have them both digested.@@ForrestKnutson
Wonderful! I just filmed the entire Clinical Mindfulness Technique, and hope to be posting it very soon! I'm excited for you to see that as well. It is a continuation of the Beginner's Meditation Technique.
When you mention 12 breaths at ,14:51, what kind of breaths are you referring to? Are you talking about the HRV breaths with 7 or less and longer exhale, or a Kriya breath, or something else?
Great question. Specifically the original Kriya breath that Lahiri Mahasaya introduced. That breath is inherently HRV inductive. So, it's really both. This is why I say so often that HRV is the threshold into interiorization.
Thank you Forrest! What a great channel you have. Are there techniques for meditating (in the way proposed by Sri Lahiri Mahashay) while laying down or walking? I walk for about an hour to two hours everyday and am looking for a good walking-meditation. Thanks much.
Thank you Abhinav! There's a technique I plan to present soon which works well for walking meditation.
This technique is what the Kahuna of Hawaii would use throughout the day:
ua-cam.com/video/h-e9MvPlYAk/v-deo.html
Another way to practice while walking is khechari mudra, which I have several videos on. Even stretching the tongue affects and calms the left side of the brain.
@@ForrestKnutson Beautiful :) thank you!
@@abhinavgoel8232 you're welcome! 😊🙏
What is the name of the Dr you mention at 6:53 that works with kids with stomach issues?
Dr Richard Gevirtz, who works in San Diego. His coaching is highly successful.
Awesome
You're awesome!
The first time I tried Diana Yoga practice just as an experiment and not expecting anything. There is a recording you can find on UA-cam of a female voice guiding you through it. I felt like I was turned upside down lol. I haven't done it since but it was many years ago and just wanted to try it and that was an odd feeling to be turned upside down. I'm really not sure what that was. By the way I've been doing HRV for a week and I am feeling very relaxed and giddy in the abdomen. Every now and then when not practicing HRV I get periods of this giddy feeling but it comes with a tingling and almost numbness of the left side of my lips, should I be worried about the slight numbness? Could it be part of the process?
That's fantastic. The yogi calls that giddy feeling Joy or Bliss. The numbness is part of the freeze response. And that upside down feeling is also a part of the freeze response. If you look in my recent videos you'll see a video about the freeze response and I talk about that feeling when things are not in their normal location. It's because of the interruption of the normal left brain function temporarily in meditation. Well done!
@@ForrestKnutson thank you
@@BenjaminSchiltzVlogs my pleasure!
Can you use HRV breathing all the way to Samhadi? Up till now I have done 15 minutes HRV followed by the Hamsah pranyama. Or is it best to use which ever feels best?
Yes, I use it everyday to start my meditation. Then you will need to add on other practices.
@@ForrestKnutson I've joined your patreon to learn some more about these techniques. Wow!
@@jasonbrodie4827 fantastic Jason! I just saw that! Welcome!
So forrest you are saying that hrvb is alone enough for one to get into samadhi?
Possible, but not too likely. You need some other processes to enable it all to come together.
With the breathing, I have gotten to the point where breath becomes so tranquil, body doesn't want to breathe but the stubborn mind wants, is it threshold of pratyahara? Is it when I should start concentrating on something?
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Okay.
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Hi Forrest,
I think we should be careful of spreading misinformation merely for getting your point across. There are people who may be take 20 to 40 years to reduce their breath to 7per minute, it tells you how multi-dimensional people can be or are. There are many aspects of ones mind that takes time to train, which again is directly related to the efficiency and effectiveness of both the trainee and the trainer. Most self-accomplished guru’s will always try to get it done ASAP, as early as 8 days, particularly because it is a matter of their life energies going waste.
All you are trying to do is intellectualising yoga. You may want to logically understand or explain things which is fair enough but it should not be at the cost of demeaning or putting others down. You have good information to spread but you are using comparison as your only vehicle, however there are many other vehicles.
When in yoga, some of most valued qualities are balance and competency, which should also reflect in your communication. Apologies, if it seems like an unsolicited advice. But I thought it is essential in your journey.
There was no misinformation. Breathing at a rate of 7 breaths per minute means roughly an inbreath and outbreath of 4.28 seconds, each. I say roughly because you may breath in more quickly than that, and breath out slightly longer. That is very quick for every single person I've worked with. Children accomplish this easily with Dr Gevirtz to overcome early imbalances that cause stomach issues. That's breath control taught to children. The same breath control I teach here. Used to create balance between the sympathetic and parasympathetic, which reverses anxiety caused stomach issues. That is competency.
That breath training isn't intellectual. We are balancing ida and pingala, the parasympathetic and the sympathetic. There's nothing more balanced than that. Nothing.
The depths of yoga take time. Heart Rate Variability is the beginning of those depths, and is easily reachable.
@@ForrestKnutson From your own words your mis-information is very clear,
Since it hard for you to understand, allow me to elaborate, Firstly, Ida and Pingala are subtle channels, there is no association with sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.
Now, Ida Nadi (left subtle channel or left side of the body) is associated with the moon and feminine aspect of all individual human beings, where as Pingala Nadi (right subtle channel or right side of the body) is associated with the sun and the masculine aspect of all human beings.
Now looking into the sympathetic nervous system, the two sympathetic chains run parallel to the spine on both sides, where as the parasympathetic nervous system arises from the cranial nerves and from the sacral plexus, mainly it is the Tenth Cranial Nerve "Vagus" that provides most of the parasympathetic supply via the left and right vagus nerves. How do I know this ? because I studied it in medical school.
So simply by definitions Ida and Pingala / Sympathetic and Parasympathetic are not even close to each other in terms of structure. However, if you work on balancing Ida and Pingala, then it has a effect on the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems, that in no way implies that Ida is Sympathetic and Pingala is Parasympathetic nervous system. This is a lack of competency when you haven't recognised it.
Forrest, confidence without clarity can be disastrous, you may be a charismatic person who people are willing to listen to and some of your information IS TRUE, however a lot of your statements are unfounded and misinformed. Furthermore, the language that you choose to use to support your claims reveal your relevant imbalances. I hope you do better research next time.
@@arnabroy1046 "if you work on balancing Ida and Pingala, then it has a effect on the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems" Thank you for your confirmation. That was exactly the point.
Medical students understand the body from the outside in, by dissection. While yogis understand the body from the inside out, by proprioception. The two are not meant to line up perfectly. We are to use our own proprioception in order to see it internally. Not externally.
I teach how to induce Heart Rate Variability on this channel, which is disastrous to stress.
@@ForrestKnutson I feel gratitude for the smooth, intelligent, and calm manner in which you handled a rather rude and condescending comment.
I look forward to the time when I am centered enough internally that I will not be triggered when egoists insult the best teacher in the body I have ever experienced!
@@kantamastersthank you, much. I do my best to remain understanding, which is so easy when mutual respect is kept. It gets more difficult when it is lost.
Please, Please, Please STOP calling Ida like I-Phone. it is “Eeda”, not eye-da.
If I called you Forrester Kuntson, how would you feel?
Mispronunciations are one way of disrespecting
Have the humility to adapt your pronounciation.
Happened all my life. A petty mispronunciation has never phased me.
What do you pretend? This guy is a total douche saying nothing for 20 minutes while pretending to be a guru of my ass.