Do Aeldari Wraithlords Suck Now?!-“Rethinking Wraithlords in 10th Edition”

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  • @cbilici
    @cbilici Рік тому +28

    You'll have to take my giant sword wielding space elf Gundams out of my cold dead hands.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +2

      Dude I personally love them! Just think the BL one is a bit mismatched with what they are good at doing

    • @cbilici
      @cbilici Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 😅 sorry I was being silly, but I guess it loses something in the translation.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      I know ;) @@cbilici

  • @OmniAndro
    @OmniAndro 6 місяців тому +2

    Great video! Wraithlords are very cool, but i was surprised that you didn’t mention using fate dice on the hit rolls of bright lances; it seems like they are tailor made to make our most powerful weapons connect

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  6 місяців тому

      I definitely would use one with Overwatch or on a hit reroll for sure! Limited fate dice now though 😢

  • @elkglenn1013
    @elkglenn1013 Рік тому +2

    "To be honest with you..." Love your work.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Oh no!! I thought I was past that 😅 I’ll work on saying that less lol 😆

  • @BuffWarlocks
    @BuffWarlocks Рік тому +5

    I delegate Wraithlords to the thankless but necessary role of Distraction Carnifex whenever I field them.
    It has always been good at that role, and now that you can just bolt whatever you want on one I tend to give them Bright Lances because despite the coiflip hit chance, two shots with one free reroll from Unparalleled Foresight tends to get something in. I know that mathematically I'd be better off with EMLs but the big scary Lances are largely there for the psychological factor - an aspect often ignored when theorizing because it can't be reliably quantified. And with Wraithknights having received approximately ALL of the nerfs, replacing one with two Wraithlords and whatever you want to grab with the remaining 190 points is a viable alternative.
    It's a double Lance platform that's hard to remove, especially with Fortune. Running in, shooting at tough targets with Lances and seeing what happens, flamering whatever's in range and getting into melee as fast as possible. I don't expect the Wraithlord to kill anything. It's there solely to be a nuisance. It's not my most dangerous model, but it's one the opponent can't realistically ignore. And every shot fired at it is a shot not fired at my less durable but more important units. That said however, it's a neat little extra if it DOES kill something.
    All that said, I wouldn't say that the Wraithlord sucks. Quite the contrary, it's even better at being a Distraction Carnifex than it was in previous editions (it out-Carnifexes the Carnifex by a pretty significant margin despite only costing 35 points more per model).

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Oh I don’t think they suck at all I’ve just gathered the data from about 10 or so of my games and noticed a significant difference in the amount of Lance damage they were doing compared to things like War walkers over the course of a game. The wraith lord is an absolute beast and can be very effective as a distraction or something that forces your opponent to react. I just think there might be better options than the lances as in a lot of my games my opponents knew how to gimp it’s shooting with smoke or other -1 to hit strats/abilities

  • @maxmagnus377
    @maxmagnus377 Рік тому +4

    I like equipping my Wraithlords with Missile Launchers for that nice versatility. Especially against horde armies the blast profile really helps mitigate the 4+ BS.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Very true it’s my favorite build!

    • @TheVoloch
      @TheVoloch Рік тому +1

      Starcannons have always been my fav build throughout the editions, but I am actually thinking about the MLs. It supplements the S10 melee attacks, so you can focus both ranged and melee on the same type of targets.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Yep exactly why I like them! @@TheVoloch

  • @timothysmith3729
    @timothysmith3729 Рік тому +1

    Yes, I agree so much. Playing with it in combat patrol broke how I viewed it via the convention. Once you don't have fate dice and rerolls. You learn 4+ on one shot is horrible. Missle launchers shrunken cannons!

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Ya the CP wraithlord is a joke unfortunately 🫤 I know it’s for balance purposes but it doesn’t translate well on the tabletop at all

  • @nickthenoodle9206
    @nickthenoodle9206 Рік тому +1

    Quick 500pt game, using the Wraithlord vs SM. Took BL and StarC as mounts. Used the re roll on the BL, when necessary, yet still gave me c1 dead SM per round as well. It was okay, especially when I took out the last member of a unit with it.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Interesting! I feel like the WL is gold in 500 pionit games

  • @GTXanatos13
    @GTXanatos13 Рік тому +1

    I'll definitely have to try this build, I ran it with lance, catapults, missile launcher, and ghostglaive all 9e.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Ya the flamers are for sure the better option this edition

  • @lolroflundxd
    @lolroflundxd Рік тому +1

    The thing that's really holding him back is the missing Invuln save. Similarly tough models for the points get a 4++.
    Because of that, I kinda agree with you. Brightlances put him in danger of getting shot by something with high AP. Maybe we need to build him to just go after stuff that can't hurt him.
    On the other hand, I feel like if you go after stuff that can't hurt him... then you don't need more damage against those units. Maybe still better to have the threat of brightlances, so the enemy tanks stay away from him.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Ya I mean unfortunately lances just put him in a weird spot 🫤

  • @alexlaxton4977
    @alexlaxton4977 Рік тому +1

    I was using two for a while with double Shuriken Cannons and Ghostglaive in reserve. As single models I found opportunities to get behind enemy lines and your opponent HAS to deal with them. I got two in the backline of an orks list after they had Waagh'd up the board and wrecked!

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Nice dude I like it! I presume though you mean you held him in reserve and not deep strike? Or am I missing something?

    • @alexlaxton4977
      @alexlaxton4977 Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 That's correct, my bad.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      @@alexlaxton4977 no worries I knew what you meant 😉

  • @phoenixkane1986
    @phoenixkane1986 7 місяців тому +1

    Do they not get to keep the wraithbone fist attacks when they bring the sword. The data sheet doesn’t say anything about the sword replacing the fists, just says “you can equip the sword”.

    • @phoenixkane1986
      @phoenixkane1986 7 місяців тому +1

      I’ve just learned you can only choose one melee weapon during combat. The more you know.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  7 місяців тому

      Yes technically you have both so it rarely comes up because you always want the best but if for whatever reason you didn’t want to kill the last model in the unit completely you could use the fists instead

  • @davidfeline5850
    @davidfeline5850 Рік тому +1

    Was going to build mine with double flamers and Starcannons. Now not certain if I don't want shuriken cannons... 🤣

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Shuriken cannons are solid in that the sustained hits makes up for the loss of accuracy

    • @davidfeline5850
      @davidfeline5850 Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 Thanks for the advice and the videos. Won a game tonight vs. Space Marines. Will have to try out Wraithlord in the next one but War walkers with Double BLs were the business this evening.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Sweet dude! Glad to have helped you slaughter the mon-keigh!@@davidfeline5850

  • @PedroPedro-k9p
    @PedroPedro-k9p Рік тому +2

    The main problem with the WLords is how easy they die, I never had a problem with their damage output, since they always die before they get the chance to do anything.
    They need an invu save, the -1 to damage back or just a points drop.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      I feel like they are a lot tougher in general this edition especially with a fortune thrown in for good measure! They do sue fast to S12 weapons though with high Ap

    • @PedroPedro-k9p
      @PedroPedro-k9p Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 Yeah, fortune makes them tougher, but I'd rather cast that spell on an Avatar or a 10 man wraithguard unit.
      On a WLord it's kinda wasted, I'm not saying your video is wrong, just that WLords are not in a good spot.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Keep in mind though that both the avatar and wriath blob while fantastic S tier units are both way more expensive. I would use a WL in a list with either of those two aforementioned units anyway because they share a similar role as a tough bully unit that controls the board around them. @@PedroPedro-k9p

  • @camfalafranca800
    @camfalafranca800 Рік тому +1

    I will admit double bright lance flamer wraithlord with a fates messenger spiritseer is hilarious for overwatch

  • @aralynn40k
    @aralynn40k Рік тому +1

    Is it worth putting this guy with a spiritseer? Wraithlord with double flamer and double bright lance is the only way I've ever used him in 10th, but I've always put a spiritseer with him, found that generally he does alright, but I'm not sure if he's worth all those points...

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  11 місяців тому

      I generally wouldn’t put him with the Wraithlord as it generates more weaknesses than strengths

  • @EliWintercross
    @EliWintercross Рік тому +1

    My plan is to go a single Bright Lance, then one of the other heavy weapon options.
    With a spirit seer atached and Fate's messenger put on them, the Bright Lance is garunteed to always hit and wound (barring a save)
    So then my other heavy weapon, I'm looking at either a Shuriken Cannon, Scatter Laser or a Missile Launcher depending on what I am up against.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Good plan I think the WL might be the only model that mixing weapons is good with! I would go with a ML myself

    • @javilo2797
      @javilo2797 Рік тому +1

      it needs atleast 5A 3WS to do anything imo

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      @@javilo2797 True

  • @jpshaffer1989
    @jpshaffer1989 Рік тому +1

    Literally was just looking at this. You a mind reader

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Nice man!! Ya been playing them consistently over the past week and noticed some serious issues with the Bright lances

    • @jpshaffer1989
      @jpshaffer1989 Рік тому +1

      I was just making a list for vs death guard and the guy loves running 2- 3 of the plague burst crawlers and morty wrecking my low toughness units. So wanted to try it out

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      @@jpshaffer1989 The Lord is really good at killing Deathguard but nothing over T10 and with the new plague rules DG got I doubt he will be effective in combat hitting on 5+ 🫤

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      @@jpshaffer1989 However he is great at soaking up damage

    • @jpshaffer1989
      @jpshaffer1989 Рік тому +1

      Hmmm wish the spirit seer would heal couple wounds or something on them

  • @SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs
    @SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs Рік тому +2

    I love Wraithlords tbh. With T11 and 10W they don't go down very easily tbh

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      No they don’t that’s for sure! plus that 2+ really makes them survivable

  • @templarwargaming3202
    @templarwargaming3202 Рік тому +1

    Not your video related but there are rumors that new striking scorpions come soon. Any insides on it?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      No insides yet honestly but I think it’s due to be the next kill team box set

    • @templarwargaming3202
      @templarwargaming3202 Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 cool! When is that one comming?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Not sure when but my guess would be November @@templarwargaming3202

  • @antoniolorenzucci
    @antoniolorenzucci Рік тому +1

    Would be really cool to have an iyanden list building video ehehe just sayin…

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      I think I did it make a video on that it was just pre nerf 🫤 will make an updated one soonish!

  • @Xileph_0_o
    @Xileph_0_o Рік тому +1

    Personally had the wraithlord be the unit pulling a lot of weight, slapped fortune on that bad boy and had him charge in and he just bullet sponged for three turns while wiping out anything that fought him close combat, never really used him for his bright lances but instead to fill the CQC role my army severely lacks. Definitely want to get a second one!

    • @Trinine9
      @Trinine9 Рік тому +1

      T sons lethal hits and doombolt delete them easy and they only hit on 4s unless you pay 65pts to put an infantry character which until GW starts carrying about that kinda of thing gives them the infantry keyword so things with anti infantry on them will wound the T11 models on whatever anti number it has and you have to pay 160pts for him also lore wise he should not need a spirtseer to guide them because a wraithlord body works better then a Wraithguard and the wraithlord would make more sense if it was a character lore wise anyway

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      He can be extremely tough and difficult to remove!

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Well ya Tsons are just about designed to kill targets like the wraithlord with lethal hits and doom bolt 🫤 tsons just about delete most tough units in every army to be fair

    • @Xileph_0_o
      @Xileph_0_o Рік тому

      @@Trinine9 fortunately I have yet to verse any Tsons however one of my mates is considering collecting them for his chaos army, I agree only hitting 4s sucks, but I’ve found vs horde armies the sweep profile has still done a good amount of damage, and even the strike served me well against bigger nids, I like to think of him as a big distraction that’ll soak up damage for my softer units (plus he looks really cool with a big ass sword)

    • @Trinine9
      @Trinine9 Рік тому

      @@Xileph_0_o yes he is cool I have kitbashed two of mine with bits from bonereapers and one covered in fire and a few others as well but for his points you can just get better units that do his job better which kinda sucks cuz I would like to be able to take him like I did in 9th no heavy weapons just the sword to move up the board cuz cheaper and cooler but you have to pay for two bright lances whether you want to or not cuz power lvl

  • @timfiala383
    @timfiala383 Рік тому +1

    Proxy i think my hardest matchup is either tau plasma crisis spam or necrons durability spam, would love your help!

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Would love to help! Tau plasma spam as in 6 suits with 3 plasma rifles each right? They destroy wraiths but have very subpar damage for the cost vs aspect warriors. What kind of list are you running?
      Necron durability spam is all about ignoring the lytchguard and focusing down the warriors blobs until dead. It’s a damage check basically. I have found that most of our anti infantry guns do pretty well against them. Shrouds with Spectres combo very well together!

    • @timfiala383
      @timfiala383 Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 im running go wide: illic, 1x10 & 1x5 rangers, 3x5 hawks, 1x5 reapers, 2x5 scorpions, 2x5 spiders, 2x5 dragons both in falcons, 3x fire prism, and one solo viper

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      With good positioning they should never touch illics unit due to the lone operative and phantasm. You can use the hawks aggressively to push into your opponent's backfield and give your prisms space to operate and force your opponent to either deal with the hawks which suits will trade down against or go after your falcons which means the hawks are going to rip his backline a new one and score a bunch on secondaries. You probably want to sub out one unit of scorpions for something else though, maybe another vyper or try to cut somthing for a war walker @@timfiala383

    • @timfiala383
      @timfiala383 Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 will do! Thanks again

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      @@timfiala383 my pleasure!!

  • @ironmonkey349
    @ironmonkey349 Рік тому +1

    Yo, i love your videos 😘 i have a unrelated question tho and i can't find the answer 🤷 can my solitaire advance and do actions even if he doesn't have assault since he can advance and charge? Ik that pure melee units count as available to shoot if they do a normal move but i was wondering since most secondaries will also tell you that you can't charge

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Awesome thanks for watching ! Good question! Unfortunately he cannot 😢 he has no ranged weapons so is not eligible to shoot in the first place and his rule only allows him to advance and charge (no assault weapon). Most melee units also have pistols which makes them eligible.

    • @ironmonkey349
      @ironmonkey349 Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 yeah but i looked online and saw that for the purpose of objectives, pure melee units count as available to shoot if they made a normal etc. It's the same for deathwing knights for example who can still do actions even if they technically don't have guns 🤷 idk maybe i am wrong.. and hey tnx for replying 😁 i just got into eldars (really loved my harlequins in 9th) so i find your videos amazing 🔥 edit: yeah i just checked the rules commentary and units units with no ranged weapons are eligible to shoot unless they advanced, fall back or are locked in combat. Rip advance action but he can still blitz and do it 😁 tnx for answering 🔥

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      @@ironmonkey349 Ya dude no problem! Sorry I didn’t see this earlier but you are right on the melee advancing part just a shame about the actions lol but ya he can still blitz and do it! Thank for watching and I’m glad you have found the vids helpful!

  • @kevinishki
    @kevinishki Рік тому +1

    How's the campaign going? I haven't played one game since you announced it

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Campaign is going well!! About to have our first months prize drawing!

  • @nickthenoodle9206
    @nickthenoodle9206 Рік тому +1

    Most interesting. I just wished they differentiated between units with BL's, and those without.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +2

      Definitely agree! If it were up to me each weapon would have a different cost associated with it I hate this pseudo power level system

    • @nickthenoodle9206
      @nickthenoodle9206 Рік тому +1

      It didn't work before. Why the Hell did they think it would suddenly work now! Insanity.@@ProxyHammer1

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      They are forcing it through to make the game simpler for new players but it's clearly not working as intended....@@nickthenoodle9206

    • @nickthenoodle9206
      @nickthenoodle9206 Рік тому +1

      It's almost if GW thinks that we cannot count!@@ProxyHammer1

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      lmfao ikr?!@@nickthenoodle9206

  • @IamtheWV17
    @IamtheWV17 Рік тому +1

    I've been playing more cp than anything else.... My wraithlord is lovingly called the whifflord 😂
    He's really just a tough as nails brawler to throw headlong into the enemy while the rest of the list plays cautiously.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      I agree completely! Best used as a bully who is tough enough to
      Absorb hits and can’t be easily ignored!

    • @IamtheWV17
      @IamtheWV17 Рік тому +2

      @ProxyHammer1 wonder if I should swap out the double bright lances on my second one...
      I've always found bright lances overated, as long as I've played (about 20 years); though I've also struggled to ever find the cannon in our 'glass cannon' categorisation.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      @@IamtheWV17 The Brightlance has historically been quite subpar but is now quite good this edition… just not on the wraithlord 🫤

    • @IamtheWV17
      @IamtheWV17 Рік тому +1

      @ProxyHammer1 thinking that EMLs might also be an error because you're wasting bgnt?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      The versatility is what makes the emls interesting and extra range is nice too@@IamtheWV17

  • @midnytthunda
    @midnytthunda Рік тому +1

    I use it really for toughness. I put fortune on him with a spiritseer with the Phoenix gem. If u kill him and fail to kill spiritseer, he comes back to life from the spiritseer. If u kill the WraithLord and spiritseer, spiritseer comes back to life and resurrect the WraithLord, both with full wounds. Still get objective and can shoot and fight back.

    • @olly123451
      @olly123451 Рік тому +3

      Unfortunately that doesn't work, if the Wraithlord Dies, the Spiritseer is no longer part of the unit, and therefore cannot be reanimated.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Dude I really wish that worked but once the lord dies he can’t be brought back due to the way the bodyguard rule is written 😞

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      I know it’s sad 😢

    • @EliWintercross
      @EliWintercross Рік тому +2

      Pity the Spirit Seer can't at least heal wounds off the Wraithlord, that would make up for not being able to revive them ;P

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      @@EliWintercross Totally agree! Bonesinger for casual games!!!

  • @abcdodd
    @abcdodd Рік тому +2

    I think there ought to be a whole lot of variants, like Marines have....
    Back in 1st edition, an imperial dreadnought had a single or double bolter, and maybe a single heavy weapon.
    The Eldar versions still have the same loadouts they did back then.
    My suggestions:
    Piloted wraithlords paralleling the Invictus (?) warsuit
    All sizes of wraith constructs in the flavours of those who now occupy them;
    all the aspect warriors, support weapons, Rangers, Leadership, Psyker variants (plural)
    and the most fun....some character, epic hero and leader constructs.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому +1

      Now that would be cool!! I would love to see that!

    • @abcdodd
      @abcdodd Рік тому

      and so you shall...in time. Once I figure out how to start my own UA-cam channel.@@ProxyHammer1

    • @EliWintercross
      @EliWintercross Рік тому +1

      Man, imagine how crazy it would be to have Wraith Aspect Warriors.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      @@EliWintercross Fucking cool 😎

  • @michaelgilroy1096
    @michaelgilroy1096 Рік тому +1

    Waaaaay too expensive now.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Arguably much better than last edition though with a better save and toughness (against S10 or lower)

  • @davidb3155
    @davidb3155 Рік тому +1

    I just like to sling shot them as fast as i can at the enemy and force them to shoot it instead of my avatar

  • @markroberts6403
    @markroberts6403 Рік тому +1

    Wraithlord, led by a SpiritSeer with Fate's Messenger is destruction on legs. Two Flamers, Two Brightlances, Ghostglaive.

    • @maverick1191
      @maverick1191 Рік тому +1

      Try Fates Messenger on a Deathjester. You will never go back ;)

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      It’s pretty good but expensive and suffers from keyword trolling

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      I haven’t 😉 but that build is still fun

    • @markroberts6403
      @markroberts6403 Рік тому +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 Worthy of note is that Fate's Messenger is once per turn, not battle round, so you can use it in your opponent's turn to auto pass a save, even against AP 4.
      Also, apologies, I wrote the reply before I listened to the video. WL with twin Shuricannon and flamers is a great cheap option.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Рік тому

      Dude no worries you are totally correct! Makes the wraithlord much more durable!@@markroberts6403

  • @callmethemonarch6038
    @callmethemonarch6038 7 місяців тому +1

    I just wish wraithseers