What ATC is BEST for YOU in MSFS2020? Breakdown of Top 3 ATC apps: Websites, UI, Price, Test Flight.
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
- TOP AI ATC APPS FOR MSFS2020: Full test flight in which we are testing out Sayintentions.ai, Beyond Atc & Pilot2 Atc to figure out which one is best for you! This is all going to depend on your needs as the user . Which features grab you the most ? Is it Price? Or maybe ease of use ? Or Maybe an offline all in 1 solution. What ever floats your boat there is a application for you. Come with us as we dive into the websites of each application going over some of the features and prices. After that we will briefly touch on all of the user interfaces for the applications to show some of the settings. In the pilot 2 Atc app i also show how to set up the grammer so you can train your pc to your voice which is very important with this one. I then will go over the Flight plan that i have created for this test flight unfortunately we cannot perform a vfr flight due to the current limitations of beyond atc so we are sticking to an IFR flight from KAVL to KTRI. During this flight i will be showing all 3 atc's in succession so that you may see any issues with the instructions and will be much easier to remember what was said . If you have any questions please leave them below. Subscribe like and share the video as it helps us get found by new viewers. A big Thanks To our Captain's Club Members for your monthly support and thank you to our subscribers and commenters.
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-www.sayintentions.ai/
-www.beyondatc.net/
-pilot2atc.com/
-www.simbrief.com/home/
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00:00 start
00:26 Video contents
03:07 Sayintentions Website
06:06 Beyond Atc Website
08:00 Pilot2Atc Website
09:50 Sayintentions UI
11:11 Beyond Atc UI
11:30 Simbrief Creating a Fpl
12:49 Beyond Atc UI.
14:15 Pilot 2Atc UI
17:28 Flight Plan for today
19:36 SI ATIS
20:12 BD ATIS
20:48 P2atc Atis
21:32 SI Clearance
22:43 BD Clearance
23:46 P2 Clearance
24:54 SI Taxi
28:04 BD Taxi
28:55 P2 Taxi
29:54 SI Takeoff
30:19 BD Takeoff
30:57 P2 Takeoff
31:54 SI Climb Out
33:18 BD Climb Out
34:58 P2 Climb Out
36:39 SI Descent
37:59 BD Descent
40:04 P2 Descent
42:56 SI Approach
45:36 BD Approach
47:17 P2 Approach
47:59 SI Landing & Taxi
50:32 BD Landing & Taxi
52:08 P2 Landing & Taxi
53:26 Credits
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I think what’s best is if vatsim came out with one. And when a real atc isn’t online the ai would control the airspace make it to were you have atc all the time but also real controllers can join at any time and start controlling
That is an awesome idea for that sim to use because half the time you're on an approach and boop there goes the controller.. I think AI will be used more and more once the pioneers of the ATC market get everything figured out
Then you wouldn't have to use Unicomm 90% of the time.
What’s crazy to me is how hard it is to build atc within the sim that is written to respond to your response. Atc is pretty standard terminology in the AIM.
eh, once the ai is good enough I wont even need the human controllers
Great video detailing the various (top) ATC payware mods available as we speak. The comparisons built in every step of the filed flightplan are very useful in making a decision for a future purchase. Price wise, concerns still remain. Well done!
Thanks so much 😀
Just like to thank you Jon for the advice re moving everything from my community folder to allow the recent update.While I did lose some files I was able to get the tbm930 which I had but without gages in the cockpit. Now I can fly the complete tbm930.And the update 15 is awesome.
awesome glad to hear that
Not just an excellent comparison... everything is time stamped! Thank you! :)
Your welcome thanks for the comment
Wow had to take a lot of time and energy! Thank you for this invaluable information that we can see for ourselves
Thanks very much for the comment I put in a little over 20 hours in this video I'm glad you enjoyed it.
That's an epic video you made. VERY impressive! Thank you. I have 2 out of 3 of these programs. Both good.
Barty
Thanks Barty! I spent a lot of time in this video I'm glad you enjoyed it
Well, I would say VATSIM is the best choice when it comes to immersion 😉 Nice video, thx!
thank you.. i like vatsim or my fav is pilot edge.
@@2020fsers just not enough users on VATSIM/Pilotedge at the various airports.
Thank you for a great and comprehensive video. I have BATC , excellent program and reasonably priced. Cheers
Thanks for the comment . Atc will be very promising I can't wait for future updates .
You're the best! What a great video! I appreciate the time that you take to make these videos for us
Thank you very much I appreciate the comment ... glad you enjoyed it
Thank you Sir, your work is very much appreciated!
Your welcome
Thanx a lot! Great video. This one must have taken many hours to make. 🙏
your welcome .. yes this took me a little over 20 hours with the editing lol labor of love i say .. im happy you liked it & thanks for the comment
Awesome video for information and comparison.
I think I'll wait a year and see if any have improved.
Thanks for the comment. I will be doing a comparison for a VFR flight soon but I won't be able to use Beyond for this one
Thank you for the video!!
You are welcome thanks for the comment
BeyondATC actually handled your takeoff the correct way compared to the other two. It based the runway on the prevailing winds instead of your flight plan.
Also, why did you ask for crossing clearance when they already cleared you to cross the runway in the initial taxi instructions? Were you just trying to test them out to see what they would do?
In my opinion what the ATC should have done was asked me to amend my flight plan for the correct runway or told me that 35 is not in use then I would have been okay with that. But I understand why they did it was because of the winds and even in the navigraph flight plan I showed everybody that 35 was not being used. As far as the clearance for crossing runway 17 I don't think I've ever heard them tell me to hold short of a runway in any of my taxi instructions that I've ever gotten so that's why I always hold short and then ask for a crossing clearance, but yes I understand in their clearance they gave me told me To Cross Runway 17 and did not tell me to hold short.
@2020fsers Better to check than wreck when crossing! 😂 I agree that it would have been better to give you a new runway.
What I did like about BATC is thst they kept me from going to the wrong altitude. I have tried to descend to odd alts when it should have been even and they denied me and told me I needed to pick the proper alt for my direction of flight. So that was cool.
@@2020fsers IRL the runway is not a part of the FPL.. the SID may be, depending on jurisdiction, but that’s a different story
@foodflights1408 it's gonna get much better .. and looking forward to it .
Excellent video. Nice job, this was a great and unbiased comparison of each of the 3 👍. Appreciate the work you put into it.
As a IRL airline pilot I have beyondATC only and enjoying it very much so. Was interested in sayintentions but not crazy about some of the odd terminology and clearances the ATC gave and the long pauses. I wouldn’t be so critical of it but at that hefty price, I’d expect much more.
BeyondATC has its bugs but the one time fee with pretty good basic voices. It’s simple but gets the job done (mostly). It’s a better choice for me personally.
It’s exciting to see where this newer ATC tech goes in the future and it’s great to see there’s competition in it.
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it it took me quite a while a little over 20 hours to do this video for everyone. I'm also excited to see where AI is going to take us as far as ATC applications I'm also looking forward to maybe some other people joining in and creating a more competitive market. I feel once Beyond ATC and say intentions which are pioneering the market right now get everything figured out it will make it much easier for other people to come in.
You sir, are a treasure
Thank you very much I appreciate the comment
Great video.
Tower giving you vectors! Hell NO!!! You just left approach radar.
I have BATC & P2ATC... prefer the physiology flexibility BATC gives you.
P2ATC is showing its age now and it costs double that of BATC and it's still basic text to speech.
I'm ex pilot & ATC BATC gets my vote... and it's only been out 2 weeks!!!
Thanks for the comment ..
I never could get Pilot2ATC working correctly for a full flight, and for 60 bucks, that was frustrating. Next I tried SI since it released before BATC, and I have definitely seen noticeable improvement since signing up, but the constant repeating of commands from the ATC is frustrating. BATC has been the best from start to finish for me, however over the last week they had some server issues which caused several CTDs for me in the middle of flying for my virtual airline. They all have their place, and of course need kinks worked out, but I like where the AI market is going for this stuff!
I agree the future of ai atc looks bright . Thanks for the comment
Based on the winds BATC did the right thing by overriding the departure runway from the flightplan. The one thing is, ib FAA territory BATC does not assign the departure runway at clearance. They claim it's prototypical? If so, how can you preplan your flight, especially on airports with multiple departing runways?
The video must have taken so much time to put together. Thank you. I have purchased BATC and my complaint with that that you have to have a SID otherwise the program will give you an error. I wish I knew that before purchasing. I fly GA aircraft and fly from smaller airports that do not have SIDs. So it's pretty much useless for me. Thinking about getting SayIntentions. When it comes to the taxi instructions, I have a buddy that flies out of KAVL and he said that it is common to use both sides of the runway to taxi to runway 35.
Thanks for the comment .. yes took a little over 20hrs with editing . Lol I didn't know that about the sids. I'm now gonna try it lol. I didn't mind the taxi instruction what I saw as a problem is it couldn't recognize that I wanted to change it that's all.
Another Awesome video Thank you very informative and maybeee 2024 will have atc ??
Thanks Mike 😊.. I don't have high hopes for 2024 . I think the su15 tomorrow will give us a glance and what could be coming . 🤔 we can only hope lol.
@@2020fsers yah lol
Excellent video, leaning towards pilot2ATC as i fly off line , but i do like BeyondATC maybe you can do a video on your thoughts on this video ??
The next video will be a vfr flight using sayintentions and pilot2atc . This video may help you also decide.
I have Sayintensions, BATC, and FSHud. Sayintensions now has a sub program where you can edit taxi ways. BATC basic voices still better than Piloit2Atc. Still a work in progress.
yes i have seen that taxi edit program . I would have thought though since using navigraph in SI & looking at a navigraph chart that it would have been correct .. idk lol .....yes the voices in p2atc are a little weak lol .
To be fair P2ATC is dependent on the quality of whatever TTS voice you give it. That being said, no TTS voice comes close to what BATC puts out. Even in basic mode it's 10 times better than any TTS dependent atc solution.
@GUnit2214 I agree
BATC is a conventional algorithmic AI implementation. Generative AI is only used for the voices.
Thanks for the information
Does beyond atc control your aircraft like the sim ai piloting controls your aircraft?
No they don't pilot the aircraft using ai. The built-in sim ai does that if it is ai idk.
And honestly, to me, whoever gets the traffic injection first, gets my money
I hear that ! 💪
I think as a novice to all this SI even with the price cut is too expensive for what you get, the voice in P2A just annoyed me BA I think that it corrected your takeoff and a 1 time payment would be my option
Batc will cover a lot of people especially once they include vfr . For a someone like.me that doesn't fly that often batc is perfect .
I am sticking with FSHud it is the only one that controls AI traffic.
Controls both player and ai miles better than default atc.
Might look into BeyondATC once it has ai control.
I currently use both. I have FSHud silently in the back ground controlling the traffic and I communicate with Beyond ATC
Thank you for the comment and thanks for the info on FS HUD.. I'm also looking forward to where they control the AI traffic I believe say intentions and Beyond ATC are both going to be doing that..
yep me too. fshud
great show thank you so much after all the updates nvidia and msfs my GLcache has moved , any thoughts on where it might be
thank you ! my cache is in the same place as this video ua-cam.com/video/KpgcQofSNZ4/v-deo.html
@@2020fsers founded it when I was cleaning up my cache I have forgot to reactivate my shader cache size in the NVIDIA control panel, if the shader cache size is disabled ,nvidia will delete the GLcache folder after you reboot your computer a few times.thanks for all the great help you give to so many of us
@mikeallen818 ahh ok good to know
Nice job On this Video. I can’t imagine the total time involved. I have P2A and BATC but prefer Vatsim. Do any of these auto sync if say Vatsim isn’t available? Thank you for your dedication to maki g our Sim experience the best it can be.
BATC doesn't synch with VATSIM in the literal sense, but you can close it when you get to a VATSIM-controlled area, then start it up again when you are clear and it will pick up where it left off. Say Intentions doesn't synch with VATSIM either, but I'm not sure if you can disable/enable it like you can with BATC.
Thanks for the comment... I spent a little over 20 hours making the video with shooting the videos and editing.. None of the applications will sync with that sim but you can pick up on your flight wherever you want I know with Beyond ATC and with say intentions you can just ask for clearance wherever you are and get clearance from that point.
Awesome Video. Thank you for explaining all three. I am not sure which one I am going to go with yet. To me the first one is to expensive. I hate the voice in the 3rd one. maybe I will go with the 2nd one. You need to change your screen image with your logo and clean up your desktop for the videos. Not that it is bad but a little promotion of your channel would be cool.
SayIntentions is looking at reducing their price soon. They use the chat gpt API, and Open AI recently released a faster and cheaper API which they have started trialing successfully
@@197jm True, but even if they knock $5 or $10 off, it will still be a monthly charge, compared to the other two that give you just a one-time charge.
@@foodflights1408 can't argue with that. It is a very promising premium service with a premium price. I am currently happy to pay the $30/mo price because of the great interactions I've had with the developers in their Discord. I don't think it will ever be a one-time purchase type of service given the underlying technologies the service is built on. Pilot edge with live professional controllers is $20/mo for full coverage of the LA center area, so if SI can get down to that price point and continue to tighten up the logic I believe they will be around for a while
@@197jm I've been following them on Discord as well. They are cool and are very committed to making it a great program for flight simmers. I definitely don't see them as cash grabbers. They are charging what they have to to keep the lights on so they can keep innovating. I currently own BATC, but I'm keeping an eye in SI to see how things progress and how their new pricing model will look.
@@foodflights1408 for sure! Either way, it's amazing that we have CHOICES! Competition should, in theory, drive more innovation and better pricing for consumers
Great video. In my opinion the AI-based ATC has a long way to go to be like VATSIM. I have BeyondATC
Thanks for the comment I also agree AI has ways to go before it's like talking to a real person
PilotEdge is the best with real people controller, is that correct?
The 2 I know of is pilot edge and vatsim . I feel pilotedge is much more realistic than vatsim however limited on coverage . Vatsim is also limited but is free.
Nice comparison, great job! Thanks for your effort.
Your welcome thanks for the comment 😀
Hey, I'm new to this. I just have a question about ATC. If I'm playing online, will the ATC tell me to wait for departure because someone is approaching? Thanks.
Maybe if they are on the same network as you . But neither have ai traffic control as of yet
And this is only for say intentions
So can we take the voice of Say Intentions, the responsiveness of beyond ATC, the ATIS of Beyond ATC or Pilot2ATC, plus VFR capabilities of Pilot2ATC and make a 4th option? 😂
Yeah that's kind of what I was trying to show there's no perfect aTC yet lol ... Hopefully one day we will get there thanks for the comment.
SI has that delay on all transactions?
The first one on clearance is the longest. Usually there is 5-7 seconds delay in response
I know in the real world sometimes when I talk to a controller, there is a delay out of necessity because listening to my awesome voice is not always the controllers one and only task in life.
Having that delay every transaction however, feels a little annoying.
The delay that you hear in the video is normal speed generally It takes around 6 seconds for a response time in sayintentions and in the real world your average response time is anywhere between 5 and 8 seconds anyway so that's right where it should be. And again that's all relative on what airport you're at the amount of traffic that is going on you could be waiting much longer to hear back from a controller or they could respond Instantly. Beyond ATC kind of spoils us with the very quick response time Which is not realistic, But for flight simming especially if you don't have a lot of time well then you want as quick of response time as you can have.
Thank you, and which of the three do you recommend?
That's tough it really depends on your flying. I will be doing a vfr flight next so maybe that may help you decide .
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Thank you 😊
I have all of them, for me the best atc now is SI (IFR/VFR)I, is still beta but have many updates in the last week. For complete Suite P2ATC is incredible and for a cheap atc that woks sometimes well IFR ,BATC, still in Beta. All have pros and conts. for me the best is SI free interactions with the ATC, but is the more expensive.
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate your input on the applications .
Sayintensions is going to be extra special in the coming months. Love that you can ask it anything and it responds to you.
I'm looking forward to it.
I didn't like either of them very much. Their comm procedures were a little lacking.
Thanks for the comment
never talk to anyone in this game.
Plz one video on lossless scaling and settings plz
When I get back from Vegas I will do that .
As i see, now we need to pay yearly subscription, there's no one time purchase?
There is a one-time purchase for BATC and P2ATC, but not Say Intentions.
Say intentions you can pay monthly at the current price of $29.99 and like I said once the expo comes in June they're going to announce their new pricing you can also pay per year with say intentions which would take the price down as well per month If you were to break it up over 12 months. Beyond ATC and pilot 2 ATC or a one-time purchase unless you're going to use premium voices with Beyond ATC and then you're going to pay per character