*UPDATED* Say Intentions ChatGPT AI ATC: A Rival to Beyond ATC? | New Voices, IFR & More for MSFS
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- SayIntentions, the company behind the realistic ATC for MSFS 2020 using AI and ChatGPT, have recently added a host of new features, including IFR support, Navigraph databases, integration with Active Sky, and much more. In this video, we take a look at how far it has come, and is it work the monthly price tag? Of course, it is going to be really hard not to compare it with Beyond ATC which has recently being released.
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It is an impressive piece of software. But i can't see myself paying 30$ monthly. It's way too expensive and as long as the competition gives the alternative for a one time payment despite it being a more on rail experience, it gets the job done and sounds good even with the basic voices, definitely a step up from the older ATC TTS based solutions.
The alternative is cheaper for a reason, it just is not as value added or feature rich. With that said, you get what you pay for in SayIntentions. Beyond ATC is buggy at best and is not totally AI, it will get you by so to speak, but the $30 per month price tag is nothing for me actually. Sometimes you just have to pay for quality. Simming is not free, nor was it ever created to be "free". People always beech about money in flight simming, like paying $89 per year to Navigraph. I do and have for years, it's a great product with constant updates, they bought out SimBrief, and are constantly making their offerings better. SayIntentions is just a better, higher quality product and company. Period. No comparison really, other than Beyond ATC is another company with a similar product in the same industry.
Sure that's your opinion. But BATC has a lot of value for it's 30$ price tag, one time payment. Oh yes sir it does. I've been using P2ATC ever since it was released and that was 60$ at launch, not even factoring the amount of money needed to be paid for TTS voices that you had to get if you wanted to achieve a decent level of immersion. And even then you could get by only as much until it started to get repetitive... . So saying it's not as value or feature rich when it does what it says on the tin and gives you 200+ voices that sound really good, that's kinda petty of you.
As for SI, sure it's impressive and that's where it stops for us. The rest of the features it has will probably never be used by your casual simmer. Plus some of them will also be implemented in BATC. Sure it's cool you can ask different things including if the controller saw the game last night, but does that warrant 30$ a month? I honestly would say no, i can live without it. Most of us are just looking for a ATC product that will get us from point A to B, with the proper instructions and believable voices/responses, that is affordable and better yet a one time payment deal. BATC does just that and it has quite a following. Plus it's still in development and getting better day by day. Out of 10 flights done since owning it, i only had 1 where i encountered a slight inconvenience.
Of course people are beech baroning about money, you do have to understand everybody has a budget and different needs, that's where OPTIONS are welcome. I see it this way, 30$ for me on a monthly basis, for one year, means that with 300$, i could probably get a better flight stick/system, or an accessory for my flight setup, but still able to buy a ATC solution like BATC since it's a one time payment.
Navigraph is another thing and let's be honest it's not necessary, BUT it is useful and also pretty affordable. I mean if i had to choose between subscribing to Netflix and Navigraph, i would choose Navigraph, since i use it more. But then again other simmers might not cause they can get their charts, be it outdated from the internet. Or use other free/less costly flight planning solutions and get Netflix instead, so they can watch a movie while they are in their cruise phase xD. Not everyone wants to fly by the book and with up to date data.
Back to SI vs BATC. I'll end with this, SI is like a luxury/sports car. Looks nice, powerful and fun to drive, but not affordable to everyone. Do you need it? Most would say no. Would you want it, probably yes. BATC is like your daily driver, let's say a VW, simple yet effective, reliable, it gets the job done and is affordable. So you will see more of those in traffic.
Nobody is actually saying SI is bad, but it is indeed expensive for what it is and not everyone will commit to a subscription based service if decent alternatives exists. If SI will get to let's say, a Navigraph level of subscription i'm sure more people will change their minds, including myself. Until then i'll stick to BATC and look forward to it's updates.
@@GUnit2214 And so it begins with Sayintentions and the new GPT-4o. Just announced and implemented yesterday by Sayintentions . 50% price reduction in AI by the developers of GPT-4o which Sayintentions said they will drop there subscription of course not by 50%. They have to figure out what rate to drop their subscription. They will announce this very soon.
@@GUnit2214Well said! I would like to add that I would like to try SI but my wife would rightly throw a fit. BATC is like beer money, so fine, not so much of a problem buying that.
for now it is BATC for me, I tired SI and it is amazing, however, I feel still lacking in terms of getting you correctly from A-B , but I am so excited about its potential
I have Say Intentions and BATC but use FSHud mainly lol. The price isn't an issue for SI. Its impressive. But FSHud is the only one that truly "knows" at all times where your plane is in regard to all the other traffic (injected by FSLTL). To see real traffic and hear real traffic with real destinations that you can track (lil nav map) is very cool. Really immersive to have ATC tell you "hold position" on taxi and not just run through other traffic as if they don't exist. Then to see ATC vector you in with proper sequencing and spacing is just awesome.
Yeah the voices aren't fancy but the reality outweighs that for me. So until they both BATC and SI get the traffic injection worked out they haven't separated themselves yet from the pack imho. Although I think they will! Great vid
I LOVE what FSHud is capable of and recently only stopped using it. If only there was a program that was the best of all three, BeyondATC, SayAI & FSHud.. that isn't Vatsim, that would be perfect! I do believe that BeyondATC & SayAI will eventually get traffic and will overtake FSHud. But I do agree that FSHud is still an incredible piece of software
They will improve the voices in 1.4 and will also introduce voice recognition. So FShud is definetly in the race. I really like both BATC and S.I, but after a while it's getting boring without traffic. It will take a long time for BATC and S.I to introduce traffic with both speed restriction and vectoring. Gav should make a FShud video aswell.
@@Kyrie9999 If they truly add voice recognition.. and it's as smooth as BATC & SI.. then that would be another game changer. If you had to say an EXACT phrase for it to work.. similar to P2ATC.. then I wouldn't look forward to it. There has to be an AI side of it to allow for different accents, phrases, etc. Very exciting times :)
Sounded really interesting until the price was mentioned
Gotta love how the hottest thing in flight sim right now is realistic ATC whereas operating the radios IRL flying is easily one of the most annoying and frustrating things about being a pilot. Between the signal sometimes being trash , mumbling ATC and Pilots , PTT at the same time as another aircraft on the same frequency..... the list of frustrations go on and on. Now having an AI copilot handle the radios on multi crew commercial flights in the sim would be fun and immersive but just adding radio to the workflow of operating a complex multi crew aircraft on my own in the sim is not necessarily something I have loads of fun with.
Beyond ATC has the option to let the AI do all the radio work for you.
SayIntentions seems to develop to the best ATC addon, but commercially not with a price of 30 dollars per month. BeyondATC is also AI, but more restricted and suitable to run locally. Thereby waaay cheaper and faster in response time.
We'll see what the future brings.
I'll be interested to see how the cost for a fairly regular flyer, using BATC, compares to a max fixed cost of $30/month for SI. If, using BATC, you do a fair few hours a month and want to use the premium voices, for example, might the cost of BATC climb to more than $30? Of course, if you don't fly much and are happy with the BATC basic voices, this is not a relevant question, but its still one I'll be interested in seeing the answer to.
@@Paul-T The basic voices are fine. No complaints.
@@Paul-T I think if you wanted the premium voices and flew a lot the 30 a month to get extra flexibility might actually be worth it. But as the reply on here I'm flying with basic voices and they sound absolutely fine if you want to keep to a budget
Keep in mind, if something is running locally, it’s not AI. It operates on a limited dataset.
@@mikeaudio There's no definition of AI that states if its running locally its not AI. AI can refer to anything where some kind of intelligence is baked in and has been around for a long time (long before the "cloud"). Also remember the cloud is really just someone else's computer, by definition everything is running locally somewhere. It's just that the company (often AWS or google) have many more computers to run things at scale.
LLM has become mainstream in peoples knowledge due to ChatGPT, which is awesome, and right now typically runs on servers due to the sheer processing power needed. The servers and amount of data needed are huge BUT there are some caveats.
1. You can train an AI somewhere else. This would mean training in the cloud, but using the results locally. You are still using an AI, it's just not being updated in real time.
2. As AI becomes more popular companies are looking to build solutions that can run locally. New Apple Silicon is heading in that direction for example.
3. The amount of data does not necessarily determine whether it's a good AI or not. A LLM such as ChatGPT that aims to answer any possible question that could ever be asked, with unlimited possible outcomes needs a significant amount of data, it has to essentially cache most of the internet. But not all AI systems need to know such things. For example a delivery AI robot needs to know how to cross the road, but will never be asked to recite the works of Shakespeare.
How dare you ! You're my copilot in BATC currently in Nepal doing a RTW trip in a SF50 Vision jet.
I'm flabbergasted 😢
😂😂😂❤
Tried Say Intensions and i now own BeyondATC (which i am still setting up properly- due to being busy with things ). Say Intensions clearly is the ultimate option , but while i spend a bit on simmimg even for me their price tag is a hard pass for me . Maybe if AI costs come down (one day !) itll be a consideratiok
I tried the demo and the novelty wore out fast. No traffic, No IFR, reponse time is waayy to high (it kills continuity) for $30 a month?
No thank you.
No IFR? Shows how much you really know about SI. Response time with the new GPT-4o is now under 7 seconds. If you can’t afford it that’s fine and understandable. BATC doesn’t even come close to the capabilities of SayIntentions and never will as it doesn’t use AI for responses. BATC is just on rails and for many like myself it’s not a product that can lead the ATC experience. By the way SayIntentions are dropping their price from $30 very soon.
Expensive is relative, just like cars or anything else.
SI is getting really good and I just can’t do scripted ATC anymore.
I don’t think $30 per month is a lot of money for something that is 100% AI, but that’s just me.
I know Say Intentions are improving the response time of the product and hats off to them for their work. Also they are confident that the new ChatGPT4o will improve response time which is also great; however, why do some youtubers insist on editing their videos to show near instantaneous response? Everytime in this video you made a call, you cut to a different view where there is no frame of reference to understand the real response time. It's very disingenuous and not doing any favours to Say Intentions who are making every effort to improve the delay to something more natural and realistic. If you are going to edit in this way you should have a note on the video saying that the video has been edited to compress the response times. I love you videos and not having a dig at you, but there has to be some transparency on these kinds of video, I appreciate that you do mention this later in the video and put a note on screen to show the real elapsed response time.
This is why I did mention it in the video, and had on screen text saying what the real response time was. It had to be edited as 20 seconds of silence in the video would have doubled the video length, and I know people's time is precious.
@@Easyjetsimpilot so can I ask, was the response time average 20-25 seconds? Watching it, I thought it was just for opening of the IFR flight plan, but was it to all responses? (Ive used SI in the past, am now on BATC, still figuring out which way to lean after this impressive video.)
Very interesting how things develop in sim space and AI. However, I am observing a similar pattern, also in AI empowered hardware: use the AI hype to sell half-baked product for a lot of money with a promise of delivering the most valuable features in the future. I will definitely watch this space, as it looks super interesting... just not for my hip pocket at the moment 😉
BATC does not currently do VFR.
30USD a month is insane...
Why? Explain this please? Because you can not afford it? Seriously, it's a better product and flight simming was never meant to be "free" or "cheap". It's a business model, you pay for what you get, quality and value and feature rich. Just because it's an AI generated product does not make it free.
@@tgmjrtgmjr8221 it's expensive because there is a similar product for a once off fee of 30$. It is ridiculous to pay much more for a similar product, this is my reasoning for saying it's overpriced.
@@tgmjrtgmjr8221 I agree you get what you pay for, but, $30 a month for some people is unaffordable and the market demand ultimately determines the success of a product. If enough people are happy to pay $30, and they get the value from it then its fine, if not, either costs have to come down (usually at the expense of quality, size, features etc) to make it viable. The good news for AI is that it's pretty fresh and still finding its feet in the market. It will almost certainly come down. Remember the internet itself used to be unaffordable for many and then one day phone companies started doing free calls (in the uk at least) after certain times and it exploded. I think AI will do similar whilst also getting better
@tgmjrtgmjr8221 yo dude, take it easy ok? nobody owes you an explanation for anything. The price IS extremely high for a game mod this far from perfect. It's just a novelty and they are capitalizing on that, as much as they can. Good for them.
If you are happy giving away money that's your issue. The 99 percent of us will hard pass, stick with BATC or wait until more developers enter the field.
And your assertion that Flight Simming was "never meant to be cheap" is laughable at best 😂
@@animaxima8302 perfectly worded. 👏
I wonder if it would catch wrong readbacks, like a wrong frequency readback, and correct us? This is an awesome development. What a time to be alive...
It didn’t in my case, but hopefully coming
I tried both and Say Intentions is miles better than Beyond ATC, but not sure if it is worth the $30/month yet.
Interesting that you couldn't find a taxiway letter on your taxi map at John Lennon airport. It happened to me at Stansted airport as well until I found the correct taxiway letter by using different zoom levels, ATC was correct and led me perfectly to the runway. How clever is that?
Hello I would like to say thanks to you for the awesome work you have done on your channel the last over 4 yeras. I feel this program has potential however it is not close to batc. The cost as mentioned before is to high as I fly about 3 flights per day and my batc 10$ a month for characters appears to be fine and if it was 20$ fo a 2nd refill of chacters it is worth it. I feel the objective is to act as the pilot monitoring so most of my batc is on auto as I am flying the plane. this program does not have that function, a positive is as you mentioned is the normal talk not scripted and that was nice to see. As of now batc is a strong winner in my opinon for the price and the functions. Thanks again for your great work for the community. Take care talk soon.....
I took the "24 hour" tour and I see a lot about Say Intentions that I like. But I also see some things (understanding that it is a work-in-progress) that there is still a lot of work to do. I was not too impressed with VFR in Say Intentions - lots of conflict I thought. IFR similar to Beyond ATC, and you are right - Say Intentions was less restrictive on how you talk to it. Got a lot of "do not understand" from Beyond ATC. I thought Say Intentions could understand my American Southern dialect better. For now, I will not spend $30USD per month. I do understand that it cost this developer a bit of money to use all of the servers that it says it uses, but not for me until when/if it gets cheaper.
It would also be better if there was a push button auto response system too.
Not everyone wants to use a mic.
It may require a bit of scripting but it is an optional alternative.
And are there crib sheets so you know how and what say... and when ?
This appears to be aimed at experts.
So which one you will decide to use for your personal that you believe it's best?
Pretty Sure the "Taxi via A B" call with Taxiway Bravo Not existing is a case of AI hallucination (which is a common issue with LLMs).
To paraphrase The Life of Brian ..... "It's not AI - it's just a very clever piece of human programming"! 🙂
the only drawbacks of batc is it sounded more robotic like siri. SI sounds more natural
Expensivo for what it is. Thanks
30 bucks per month, unreasonable and I like the concept though of this ATC service
I have both. As of today (5/13/2024), SayAI is better. For a number of reasons. Downside is, of course, price. BeyondATC will only get better over time and allow you to do more. For instance, request a runway. I filed a Simbrief plan with a runway, lets say, 26R.. BeyondATC ATIS had departures from the other direction, 8L (which was wrong). I waited nearly 20 minutes hoping for the BeyondATC ATIS to change... it didn't. I switched back to SayAI and it was perfect. So I continued to use SayAI for that flight. Things like that, that break or make immersion. Yes, yes I know that both programs/applications are constantly updated and things only will get better. For now, SayAI has my vote... price aside.
You were likely at an airport that has preferential runway operations, i.e. it uses a runway even with (low) tailwinds. BATC has a database for these real life operations and will use them to determine the active runways. So it was actually BATC who got it right / realistic in your case.
$360 per year, are people crazy the sim was a 1 off payment of about $40 for the basic maybe 50 it was a long time ago and that’s for 4 years and with 2024 around the corner. I bought batc and even the free voices are excellent, I think once the novelty wears off and the wallet starts to stress say intentions will die off unless they can drastically reduce the cost.
Say Intentions is amazing but expensive - Beyond ATC is cheaper but the voices just don't sound fluid
So it doesnt care that you said information zulu and it was actually uniform?
To be fair, this was bad editing on my part - as I was filming certain parts of the video, the ATIS updated and so by the time I did make the call, it was info Z current.
National sounding ATC voices is OK, but when you fly over most of Northern Europe above FL250 you will be working the international centre of the Eurocontrol Maastricht UAC whose staff are comprised of many nations, even Australians!!! Try and solve that one ... random allocation?
say intentions is just a no-go for my wallet.
Voices are way better in BATC
I pay the monthly $30 because the realism is impeccable it's not scripted at all
I would prefer this compare to BeyondATC as running out of character is just giving me anxiety. $30 a month and unlimited, yes, please.
i've been using it for a week and have yet to have anywhere near a reasonable experience . It is far from ready and the developers should not charge the monthly fee to use it. As a respected member of the simmer community you have a duty to report in an impartial manner. Tell it like it really is.
You said information zulu, it said information uniform.
he's obviously edited the video. Atis changes frequently.
@@budguy21he edited the 25s response out. The atc confirmed he had said uniform when he said zulu.
In fact the program thought he said 'so we're' when he said zulu.
Totally against subscriptions, no matter how good a programme is!
Ok.
이 친구들은 무슨 정신나간 생각으로 월 30달러짜리 구독제를 고안했을까 경쟁사 BeyondATC의 몇배의 가격인지를 계산을 해보긴한것인가
Honestly. Most of us pay 20-30 - and more - bucks per month on all sorts of things like Netflix, Spotify, other online services, everyday life things, going out on weekends for drinks, gym memberships. Not paying 30 dollars per month for SI is laughable.
Total non-issue for me too when the level of quality is that high. But of course, peoples incomes vary around the world.
30 x month... No, thanks
Cheers for pirated websites 🎉😂
Some of you people are comical. You really can't handle 30 dollars a month? Keep up a tally on things you buy in a month and see what you think. Geez.....
No need for comments like that, you aren't aware of people's personal circumstances.
Idiotic comment.
@@WnDTech
These guys buy alcohol and drugs and probably live at restaurants and then say I can’t afford it. For many it is not affordable I get that but to some they can get it if they watched were they distribute their money. I really can’t afford it but I make it work. By the way I bought BATC, Pilot2Atc, and ProATC.
@@tgmjrtgmjr8221 That's why other solutions like BATC exists. It caters to the people like me and probably WnDTech, who will not pay 30$ monthly for ATC, for various reasons and circumstances as he stated. But will gladly pay it once for BATC and who knows from time to time do some premium voice runs. So once it dropped the pricing model that SI is still going on, it got onto my must have list.
I believe we can all agree that it's great to have solutions for every kind of budget.
30 quid a month really isnt that bad you all spend more than that on fast food probably lol
'Say Intensions' looks/sounds excellent, but for me the one time cost for Beyond ATC was a no-brainer, as I'm happy with the standard voices/limited responses.
Say Intentions is undoubtably an awesome program. Amazing idea however it is important to remember beyond ATC is a one off purchase however Say Intentions is the same price per month
well, if you use premium AI voices and do about 5 flights a week, SI becomes cheaper. Not even talking when traffic injection will come and consume a lot of AI speech time.
There is no comparison between the two. Sayintentions blows away BATC in many ways. BATC is just a bunch of scripted responses. How many times you ask it a question and it doesn’t understand. No VFR or VR is another big difference.
I still think the BATC prem voices are better.
...And SI is still way too laggy / slow to respond.
But I'm watching with interest !
@homasas4837 My 90 min flights cost 8000 credits... which is 30 pence.
5 a week is 1.50.... x4 is 6 quid a month.
SI is 25 quid a month... EVERY month... use it or not.
You'd need 20 odd flights a week to make it as cheap as BATC.
@@TrueBlade-1889 Not laggy any more. Huge announcement yesterday GPT-4o blazing fast. Sayintentions is now using it average response time is now under 6 seconds. Also Sayintentions will be dropping their price as it was announced that GPT-4o will be 50% cheaper than previous version. However that doesn’t mean SayIntentions will drop there rate by 50% as it costs them $15 of the $30 they charge monthly to run their business. They will drop price soon when they figure out what rate they will drop it to. They have to make sure GPT-4o runs properly also. Future is SayIntentions if you want as close to real life ATC. Program needs to be 100% AI.
Say Intentions sounds great, I just can't afford paying that monthly fee. BeyondATC is 30 bucks once, more in my price line.
Thanks for the video. I'd love to try the 24 hour demo but there's no point, 30 bucks per month is sadly not justifiable at the moment. The 777 coming, MSFS 24 coming, etc. BATC will have to do and it's getting updated at least once daily
Yup it's getting better. While it's probably always going to be a little behind sayintentions due to running on rails and some features being difficult to manage without a LLM AI, what you get for the money is spectacular and more than enough for what I need (once it has VFR)
Got both, and although I think Beyond Atc is more suitable for my type of gameplay and frequency flying, it is lacking for VFR at the mo. I tried the 24hr demo of Say Intentions a few days ago, and my black square TBM actually gave me a runaway trim failure. Wasn’t even aware that was a thing, however with some significant control issues, I thought I would test out a mayday, vectors back to the closest airfield and even requesting the tower to roll the equipment.
Say intentions worked perfectly and even confirmed the equipment was being rolled as well as outside emergency services. That by itself was impressive enough for me to start a subscription straight away. Once Beyond atc gets to the similar level, then I will quite likely move over to that, purely due to cost. But wow that first attempt was mindblowing.
Idea I had is to run Say Intentions in the background with beyondATC but have mulitplayer mode set to listen only this where I could hear other pilots.
Beyond ATC for me.
Got me to the airport unlink Say intentions.
However I will definitely revisit Say intentions in the future as both have a long road to development ahead.
I love say intentions, cause they have an integrated VR client and i always fly in VR. BATC is currently difficult cause you always have to switch over to the active window
I use Voice Attack to send the key press for transmit etc to BATC, you can easily configure Voice Attack to switch the active window at the same time so allowing easy use of BATC in vr. (It can also switch the active window back to FS2020 when you release the transmit button)
Many thanks for this helpful Information. I will try that 😊
Tried both and Beyond ATC is so much better to me. Say Intentions has horrible vectors and horrible step downs.
Their big claim was VFR but it doesn't do or manage any traffic so I'm paying to talk to myself. Not really that impressive plus the AI was very unprofessional multiple times. I used it for about two months and cancelled to switch to Beyond ATC.
As much as the BeyondATC premium voice pricing seems complicated, I like the idea that you can you use it as and when you want and use default the rest of the time. This means you can not use premium for a few weeks and then come back to it where you'll still have the remaining characters/points. With Say Intentions, you're effectively paying whether you use it or not.
Looks like a great piece of software but unfortunately not for £30 a month.
It's not a mere "rival". SayIntentions is better by far than every ATC solution we have ever encountered and it was enormous potential.
However good it is its far too expensive and not a viable rival to BATC
To be fair, Portuguese people do sound like native English speakers
It all depends how much money do you have, how much you are prepared to pay & also how in depth do you want it. If you can afford it & want to go to that level then this is the product for you, but if you want something better than the default & can be a one off purchase & if you arent bothered about Premium voices then Beyond ATC will attract a crowd also. They are 2 products that have 2 different models & will happily exist in the market together. Every success to both developers.
Update the cost is going down. It is now $19.00 a month. The program is getting faster with responses. Still struggles with taxiways but as long as you get to the right runway it won’t ruin your flight. I really like it.
Great software BUT...that $30/month (US) is $45/month (Australia) for me...$540/year..I think not
Not even a consideration until it's a one-time purchase.
Subscription based pricing models are a blight.
And this isn't even cheap.
That won't be possible as a one-time purchase as they have to pay for the AI services.
@@lukasgraesslin It'll probably get cheaper though. If they ever hit around $10 a month I'd give it a go, $30 a month is just too high for me and the flying I do. BeyondATC is sitting in that gap giving most of what I need for the one off cost
@@lukasgraesslin Beyond ATC also pays for AI services, but after backlash regarding their pricing, they had the good idea to separate the high quality AI generated stuff from generic AI generated stuff. So that people can buy generic stuff with a one-time purchase and subscribe at a much lower cost if they want to use the high quality stuff.
@@ChristianNelsonn It's not only the voices though but also the interaction itself. BeyondATC is heavily scripted, hence it doesn't rely as much on AI as SayIntentions does.
@@lukasgraesslin OK, I get that.
But is the price still justified?
Not for me.
The price has changed since this video released
The carbon footprint for this will be similar to taking the actual flight!😅
What a good point that I think no one even though!
10:32 Pilot2atc has intersection departures
I believe the price is going to be a drawback for a lot of people. In special in some parts of the world where every penny counts. I can afford $30 per month but I don’t like the fact that for a beta version you still pay the full price. By the way the taxi instructions you got it was the same when I try it.
response time is over double of BeyondATC
Sayintension is just too expensive! Other than that, it is a amazing work.
competition is great, but cost, yes reflects what you get, but if it is beyond your budget then lower cost options will succeed. So not now for me but if the cost factor can be very significantly reduced I will reconsider (target $ 50pa).
With the launch of OpenAI GPT-4o yesterday, a number benefits will immediately be brought into SI. The two main ones are the response times and the cost. Response times are now averaging six seconds. Costs look to be lowered significantly, announcement coming shortly. Also, bear in mind, that if you use the premium voices in BATC, you'll rack up a significant ongoing cost. I was team BATC until I saw the restrictive 'on rails' nature of the responses available to you. Also, as Gavin touched upon, Brian and his team at SI are incredibly agile. They are developing the product an an incredible rate. Another major update due to be announced this Thursday.
Having such a tiny budget, I imagine you can guess the only way I've gone.
I just love keeping updateded though with all your superb videos.
Best
Barty
Wait? 25sec response time? That kills the purpose. And killing the purpose for 30 dollars a month. No way!
Our response times currently sit at 6-8 seconds. We were at 25 seconds when first launched and it's gotten far quicker since then!
@@SayIntentionsAI Can we expect it to improve to the level of beyond atc? I feel like if response time was better I would use say intentions over batc.
@@federalvoidx4612 I urge you to give it a try as of a few hours ago. Trust us.
It'll never be instant like BATC. Our aim is 2-5 seconds to replicate real life - and we just took a huge step in accomplishing that today.
And how many voices around the world ?
And when will it support SIDS and STARS ?
How anyone can justify spending that much monthly on an add on is beyond me
So you need to do a sim brief import like batc, or does it just know where you are? In batc you seemingly can't listen in to anything if it wasn't in your simbrief. Like passing by a random aiport to hear their atis.
Too much expensive monthly for what it brings more compared to beyond atc !!! I prefer beyond atc by far. Tested both, say intentions needs always 20 to 30 seconds to answer….too long. Not realistic. For me there is no match -> beyond atc in early access is better.
The multimodal GPT4o just released and decreased our response times to 6 sec averages 🙂
You Just read back a clearance erroneously purposely. It will say read back correct. Beyond ATC will not.
Looks good, but not for the price tag.
Unfortunately SayIntentions late with descents giving. Sometimes I need ask for requests for descent, maybe there some delay? But sound like nearly human that actually impressed 😊
Was the initial clearance readback the only readback delay you cut short?
No, most of the ATC response times were edited (a couple were not and you can tell due to the delays). It required editing though as the response time otherwise would have really increased the video's length.
@@Easyjetsimpilot hopefully with time they can speed it up
Good stuff, maybe a bit overpriced though. The radio sounds like liveATC with static background noise and distortion. It does not sound like this in real life
Say Intentions subscription pricing is a no go here. It does not matter how good it may be. I don't pay subscription prices for art, graphic design, photo editing, and video editing software and there are plenty of quality alternatives.
Say Intentions sounds awesome but they need to cut their membership to a third of the cost to hopefully triple their customer base.
Impressive. For ballers only
Wonder how long before pilots will be talking to AI controllers in the real world.
Sayintention is best AI ATC program as it dont have scripted responses I have tested their software. But price is bit higher but given the features I really see why it's higher . And also it will correct you even if you miss few words in phraseology.
If they improve response time and divide cost by half then it will be a no brainer
26:55 YES! I was hoping this would happen! There's always been that disconnect between MSFS in-sim live weather and external data sources but if addons start supporting ActiveSky or other preset-based weather, we can work around that
We recently had quite active SpaceWeather and it would nice to know how that effects High Frequency communications and if an NOTAM would be issued and if Say Intentions ATC would advise on that fact at clearance. I assume that happens IRL
I’ve done a flight from Gatwick to St Lucia using oceanic procedures. It didn’t ask to request oceanic clearance but did ask for report position at each oceanic waypoint.
It all looks great & I wish them every success. But for me then Im not that bothered about that level of ATC. So Beyond ATC of having Auto respond & Auto Radio Tune on is great for inflight Simming where you forget all about it, especially on those Long 5,000 KM flights which U can run the cruise through at 4x Sim rate.
Great video and we are now lucky to have two options to choose from depending on your wallet. But it will bring a new dimension to flying and for those who have never used a "live" ATC before it will be a learning curve initially.
Are regional accents not a part of Say intentions?..most controllers here in the UK were USA voices ...a bit immersion breaking......Beyond ATC has regional accents and does it very well...
The Indian and Italian voices were fine, but why was the UK (and Lisbon) voice American?
I have a few problems with BATC. Taxi is wrong and at this point it does not take in Navigraph info. SI does do that. Aldo, if you fly from a smaller airport, BATC will not accept plan that doesn't have a SID. Also the price of SI will be dropping in a few weeks.
Very informative video thanks. Just not sure which is better, this or beyond ATC. Clearly from an expense pov this is very expensive.
Am I the only one hearing the Goldeneye low health breathing in the background?
You gotta love this guys content. Everything is on topic and any deviations are relevant. 👌🏽🏆
So Active Sky users do not need to use real world weather to get proper runways ?
Silly money B A T C for me and i love it and will only get better.
The price is unrealistic, only for an ATC
how do you setup voice ??? or button control
30$/mo is a lot of money for GPT powered AI.