SUNBREAK: Monster Design Inspiration Part 2 - Monster Hunter Lore And Ecology
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Three New Monsters were revealed recently for Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak and today we're covering the potential folklore and mythology which may have inspired the design and lore of these new monsters!
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Seregios is based on the concept of a rivaling royalty, hence his rivalry with the Rath’s. He could be based on the stymphalian birds, birds that have arrows for feathers, but that’s a Greek myth so it would be weird if this was the case
Astalos is based on the rebellion of royalty, hence why he actively goes for Rathalos despite being smaller and technically weaker. The thunderbird is an interesting comparison, but considering it’s a Native American monster, not a western Yokai, it would be weird
But if Glavenus might be inspired by a Dullahan, that should explain the blade for a tail
@@dr.crazystein9536 that holds little weight as the dullahan uses a whip made of a spine, not a sword. He could just represent a foreign knight or the concept of chivalry
@@TsulaAngenati2292 Unless the one in Monster Musume might easily count. Cause in times, not all of Dullahans have to use whips
@@dr.crazystein9536 traditionally they do. They used them to blind anyone who saw them by lashing their eyes. In some depictions they might not have, but those are exceptions, not the norm. Plus, the Dullahan’s most defining characteristic is a missing head, which wouldn’t make any sense for Glavenus
All we need now is a Griffen monster. Just use the Kushala frame, add a beak, put a bunch of feathers and lion fur and "boom" Griffen Elder Dragon.
Maybe an Akhlut Elder dragon too? The possibilities are endless!
Akhlut is more of a Inuit monster then a western monster, so that may be a bit random. But a griffin seems likely.
@@TsulaAngenati2292 Isn't Inuit western though?
@@somerandomdude7785 I don’t think so, Inuit is all the way in the arctic. Even though the Inuit are Native Americans, Native Americans themselves typically don’t align themselves with what we call “western culture,” despite the fact they are the true inhabitants of the west
Depends on whether Capcom considers a Griffon close to an actual god like entity on whether it would be an Elder Dragon or not. With that said, it's always possible!
As for the Akhlut, it's still a viable entity for Capcom to use for inspiration. The whole concept of "Western Folklore/Mythology" simply means anything outside of Japan at this point since base Rise was solely focused on Japanese Folklore/Myths
We already have a Griffen monster though, two of them in fact.
If you look closely, both Velkhana and Malzeno have hints of Griffen in their designs, supported by their royal titles as the "Silver Sovereign" and the "Silver baron", Griffens are very related to royalty after all.
I like the thinking, but lets be honest. They're just wanting to bring back Seregios for the fun of it.
That's a given considering how much they spoke about how they improved it!
I like how both Somnacanths have different teeth
Evolutionary changes will definitely cause such details to be different!
I think that Magma Almudron may be inspired also by the Wanyudo.
Wanyudos are wheels on fire that have the face of a dead Daimyo or monk in the center (and Almudron already is compared to a monk, such as being call the Heremit) and it's well, on fire.
Also the wheel part might be refenced by either the mud ball (or lava in this case I guess) or that it does seem to gain many spinning and rolling moves (spinning like a wheel) as well as being faster.
Either that or the Omukade, since it's a big centipede with traits of a dragon (and Almudron is based upon asian dragons) whose skin cannot be pierced unless corroded by saliva (wich would rapresent the Lava Armor it seems to have) and in pop culture is other shown with fire elements (think of the Pokémon Centiscorch, he's based upon it)
Though I think the latter is more of a stretch.
Also I think that Rise's subs all keep the Yokai inspirations rather than having european ones mostly because of BoB: what could BoB's folklore inspirations if not a Daitengu.
Again, fair point. Though now I’m wondering if they’ll actually continue with the base game’s cutscene dialogue for all the subspecies. However, they seem to be using a new style as seen with Lunagaron and Malzeno, so I’m still skeptical whether they’ll keep Rise’s Noh / poet-like style or not.
I'd say Blood Orange Bishaten is inspired by mythological Ravens and along with the Phoenix for its fire elements. Ravens are portrayed in many ways throughout different cultural mythos, but they often land on common grounds with Ravens being tied to Prophecies, Insight and intelligence but they have a very unpredictable nature depending on what mythos you're looking into (similar to Blood Orange Bishaten's unpredictable behaviour). As for the fire powers being tied to a phoenix, it's pretty self explanatory but it can also mean that this Subspecies is considered as the "rebirth" of the standard monster. Plus we can see it's a mixture of Raven Black coloration combined with fiery reds yellows and oranges which are usually used to portray a phoenix. So I'd say those are two possible mythos outside Japanese Yokai that Capcom used for BoB. The Tengu motif doesn't really change since it's a Tengu inspired monster originally
Many of the subspecies can be easily tied to other forms of yokai that's true, but they are most definitely not just Japanese yokai by design. With how Sunbreak is being shaped, Capcom's design also applies to the monsters in that they're meant to feel foreign, including the Subspecies. So most likely, they've taken western mythos into consideration when designing them for the expansion
I personality think they should put Wanyudo and Omukade for one of the frontier monsters if all else fails
Completally not relative, but if you noticed they're doing the "one new returning apex-tier announcement for every map" again like how they did in Iceborne:
Shogun Ceanataur for the Flooded Forest
Astalos for the Shrine Ruins
Seregios for the Sandy Plains
In Iceborne it was:
Nargacuga for the Ancient Forest
Tigrex for the Rotten Vale
Glavenus for the Wildspire Waste
Brachydios for the Elder Recess
Zinogre for the Coral Highlands
Also hold and behold we still have another new event this june and (presumably) a little trailer before release like Iceborne's Zinogre's trailer and base Rise Nargacuga's so we're (probably) still missing two announcements.
Maybe Gammoth will be for the frost islands and Glavenus for the lava caverns?
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I was thinking more of Lagiacrus for the Lava Caverns.
It's like top 5 most requested monsters for Sunbreak and half of the map is a watery cave on a shore or straight up sea, wich would be fitting for a monster called "Sea Wyvern".
I think it's incredibly likely.
Part of me still hopes that is Gravios though.
@@yurei4414 Lagiacrus would die in the lava caverns. He also wouldn’t fit SunBreak or any game without underwater combat really
Gravios works though
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So would Royal Ludroth and Somnacanth, yet they chill just fine.
The thing is, just make it roam naturally the sea zones like Ludroth and Somna and doesn't go in the volcano unless forced to do so by Wyvern Riding.
Also I don't know, World's beta clearly show they both can and want to rework Lagiacrus to be Shallow Water locked.
I just don't really see Glavenus as the *announcement* because of how the other World returning monsters where shown.
Rajang and Tigrex where just casually shown in gameplay footage of the Wyvern Riding while the World-debutted ones where shown in the weapon trailers.
It's 100% going to be in don't get me wrong, I just don't see it as a big announcement.
@@yurei4414 true. I don’t even like Glavenus, I just don’t see Lagiacrus in the lava caverns, anywhere, not even in the aquatic caves. I can see him in flooded forest and shrine ruins and that’s it
I'm so ready to fight the new subspecies, especially Blood Orange Bishaten 💙😁.
I think many of us are ready to face off against all the new monsters!
Aw man, I can already tell from the beginning that I’m gonna be brought up again! But hey, no need to thank me for that speculative info ;)
Also, the Thunderbird is Native American, right? So that just breaks the convention if it’s really the creature of which Astalos is portraying. The Thor inspiration is still the more likely one and I’ll somewhat explain why.
You see, back in the Monster Hunter Spotlight, Ichinose (director of base Rise) stated that Tigrex was brought back to portray the Yamabiko, which has no physical resemblance to Tigrex whatsoever. The only thing (at least that I know of) that the two have in common and thus explains how the latter portrays the former is their gimmick of making deafening roars across mountains.
Going back to Astalos and Thor, they don’t exactly have anything alike in terms of physiology. BUT, both of them do possess lightning abilities and are quite powerful in physical combat. Hence it’s likely that Thor is what they were going for when giving Astalos something to portray as.
The only reason I went back on the Thor comparison is actually because of what I've noticed regarding Capcom's approach to monster designs. With Malzeno's design, along with what the Elder Dragons represented in base Rise, it seems that God/Deities in mythology are exclusively Elder Dragons and other creatures are inspired by something which is supernatural but not considered to be a form of God.
Thunderbirds are considered powerful and supernatural but from what I remember, they're not considered to be gods or deities, hence why it was a closer comparison to Astalos. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if Thor is the inspiration for Astalos in Sunbreak!
@@ChronoPinoyX Malzeno is based on vampires though, not any particular deity. Y’know, unless you consider vampires as deities, which they are not.
Who knows? A yet-to-be-revealed “monologue” for Astalos’s cutscene might give us some hints
@@prehistoricfanboy101 It's less of considering Vampires as deities, it's more to do with how they are presented in terms of powers beyond what most would consider natural. What Capcom are portraying with Malzeno in terms of its vampire characteristics seem to be elements taken from both historic folklore and modern interpretations of Vampires, with Dracula from series such as Castlevania being prominent. Lots of people compare Malzeno to Castlevania's Dracula and I don't think Capcom did that by accident after what they stated on the latest Digital event on how they designed Malzeno. Once we get the intros for Sunbreak, it will definitely give us more of an idea on the identities of the monsters to give us a better understanding on the folklore!
This kinda my own inspiration but seregios to me based on mystical king gilgamesh form fate aside form in stories his kinship attack literally refercence to gilgamesh gate of babylon there most similar to me fate gilgamesh has blonde hair wear gold armor and has red tattoo around his chest kinda like seregios has yellow scale if sharpen they shine in sunlight like gold armor and red part of seregios is like red tattoo form gilgamesh.
Maybe Seregios is meant to portray a Gargoyle?
They made it shiny and metallic in Sunbreak so fits the stone bird of prey gargs are sometime shown as.
I think Astalos is more likely based on thor than the Thunderbird.
That is because before showing its body they zoom at its tail that gets covered in Lighting.
Thor is usually depicted with a weapon (a spear?? I don't remember because I don't really care much for Viking Mithos and I don't really want to check now) so maybe the zoom on the tail is meant to resemble the weapon.
I would also like to say that the Thunderbird is not european so it wouldn't fit... But they used Frankenstein as a Folk Monster even though it's from a novel and not a myth so they already have a wide definition of folklore inspirations (also considering that the Ramsoware leak called them "western yokai" and not "european yokai" kind of cements it... Also western yokai is a pretty weird eay of putting it, but I can see what they meant with that... Even though they didn't really followed it because if Frankenstein and Thor would have been Japanese, they wouldn't be yokais anyway)
As far as I've been aware, Capcom haven't stated they were focusing on "European" folklore in any capacity. The idea behind Sunbreak was mostly to focus on a foreign region as opposed to straight up focusing on Europe. With that said, I could always be wrong in this regard!
i was honestly really excited to see steve the bastard seregios coming back. he fucking roadblocked me from 4ult with the quest to fight the azure rathalos. i was never able to finish it thanks to him because it was so damn hard to keep him from joining in and it was so hard to hit the damn rathalos up in the air. im looking forward sooooooo much to get my revenge. IM GOING TO TURN YOU INTO A NEW BUG STICK STEVE!
one more possible inspiration for Magma Almudron - and the one i believe to be the main inspiration - is Futs-Lung (or Fuzanglong), from Chinese mythology.
Futs-Lung is a dragon of the underworld and the "dragon of hidden treasures": he lives underground where he guards a vast amount of treasure; his most prized possession is a Pearl of Wisdom (the prized possession of ANY Chinese dragon, really) which he hides under his chin.
it is said that when Futs-Lung bursts from the ground to return/report to Heaven, volcanoes form.
Magma Almudron looks like a Chinese dragon, he's associated with fire, he burrows/lives underground, he goes very high into the air when he leaps from under the ground - as if he were flying almost (pretty sure he sends magma flying when he does that) and he's a creature of fire.
in my eyes, Magma Almudron is based primarily on Futs-Lung and you cannot change my mind!
some of the information i've read on Wikipedia, most of it comes from the book "dragons, fearsome monsters from myth and fiction".
look up "Amber Books Futs-Lung", you'll be able to read what i've read.
and i heartily recommend Amber Books.
More than the being on fire it's the pearl that really sells it for me.
Though that might just be for Almudron general Asian Dragon inspiration rather than FutsLung specifically.
@@yurei4414 indeed.
Futs-Lung is the most known of the underworld dragons, and the only one that we know by name.
and i've noticed Almudron's similarity to Asian dragons in general some time ago.
and i hope we get a drop called "Almudron Pearl".
That's definitely another possible link to Magma Almudron! The Chinese Dragon motif had been around with standard Almudron so it wouldn't be a surprise if they continued that throughout the Subspecies design
@@ChronoPinoyX you know... for a game set in an environment similar to the eastern part of the world, we've only seen 4 monsters based on Asian dragons - 5, including Magmalmudron.
we need a few more; two, at least.
but then that would mean less elders based on western dragons... it's a hard trade-off.
While i find it interesting here on the video with what your talking about but isn't Thunderbird a bit of a long stretch on a flying wyvern thats based on the dragonfly in its appearance cause of its bug like features for astalos ?
The monsters themselves don't have to match the actual mythos which they may be based on. Capcom merely uses them as foundations to base their monsters in. Almudron, for example, isn't based on any kind of dragons or reptiles, it's based on a literal mud human in Japanese folklore. So whilst Astalos is mostly based on an insectoid creature, its features are reminiscent to an avian creature such as the Thunderbird. Hopefully that helps clear it out!
Gammoth fur is like a cyclops so might return maybe?
Also:The Agnaktor is based on the salamander.
Yup he's definitely being replaced.
Is it though?
It's a Sailfish with a beak with a bodyframe of Ancient marine reptiles mixed with Asian Dragons.
It has nothing salamander or anphibian-like in its design.
I think it's more like Lavasioth, just a fish with legs that swims in lava because that's sick.
@@yurei4414 Bruh. The mythological salamander has no real description outside of what the late Christian writer Saint Augustine of says in his book "The City Of God" as "a serpent that lives in fire".
Regardless of what creatures were used to design Agnaktor he still falls under that same description. In fact it's dual blades are called salamanders if that wasn't enough.
He's a great monster we all want back but he's probably gonna return in MH6 and I think it's for the better so that the new design would do it total justice.
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Still, is it really?
It's supposed to be a fire sailfish Notosaurus with a beak, there's nothing Salamander, Snake or anything like that in its design.
If being on fire is what makes it salamander inspired, (not the four legs because if it's described as a snake then they should be zero), then also Lavasioth is inspired by Salamanders, Or Dodogama, or Basarios.
I still don't think Agnaktor has any folklore inspiration, but rather on various animals, like 80% of the Monsters.
Why you Agnaktor fanboys must always find a reason to hate on something, you're annoying.
Guys like you that have to get salty because Agnaktor has been replaced by every damn Monster are strating to make me hate the Clack Clack.
Dude, Lavasioth is my favourite Monster and Gravios is one of my all time favourites, I should be as salty as you are because Magma Almudron "stole" also Lavasioth and Gravios places, but it's another Lava Swimming monster that's like sick dude.
@@yurei4414 I love Magma Almudron. He's my favorite of the new subs.
Also you're getting confused with the real salamander and the mythical one. There's a difference. Agnaktor is based on the mythical salamander. As I said. Saint Augustine's description is a serpent that lives in fire. And what is Agnaktor? A serpent that lives in fire.
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But the only thing it as in common with it is that it lives in Fire.
So if Agnaktor is based on one because of that, Gravios, Lavasioth or Dodogama all are also based upon it because they all live in lava too.
Garangolm is OBVIOUSLY based on my uncle Gary who has a yeast infection.
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So much for shrieking legiana being the banshee huh?
They'd need to have standard Legiana to return before they could add Shrieking Legiana back unfortunately. Still, we might see them at some point in Sunbreak!
kinda sad its a magma almudron not an agnaktor
Isn't the "Jarufe" A mere lava golem?
Nope. Golems are man-made constructs in jewish folktale with neither good nor evil intentions. Cherufe are inherently evil, they'll murder entire societies via volcanic activities and do it out of sheer desire for destruction. Big difference in legends and folktale
It’s spelled Cherufe, and I wouldn’t really consider it as some sort of golem
Cherufe aren't golems in any capacity. They're actual living creatures according to the Mapuche mythos behind them. And similar to Magma Almudron, they bend Magma and Lava to tear through landscapes
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