@@dbdb9334 While the Uk did not semd combat troops, they very much WERE present, acting as advisors to the south For Britain's involvement in the First Vietnam War, the officially stated casualty list was 40 British and Indian soldiers killed, don't know why they were put together though
Our L129A1 is pretty much the same as the american AR OR M4 so not that bad for us. Getting to grips with the cocking handle on the right side of the weapon would be alien to a US soldier.
US & UK: so we're going to practice manoeuvres where should we go? Germany: Poland. US & UK: good idea, we can practice an invasion. Germany: yes, practice....
I remember last year we did a big training exercise with the Brits, dudes are cool as shit and ALWAYS want KBARs and are willing to trade some of their shit for a KBAR. But we did this same thing, it all started out of my own curiosity. I asked them if I could look at their rifles and they were cool with it. So, I'm holding this thing up and I'm just like, "This thing is so fucking awkward..." and their response killed me, "Nah man, it isn't that bad." So I hand them my M4 and say, "Here, try this." They pass it around and they jokingly ask, "Shit man, we were wrong, we like this better. You wanna trade?" I'm going to absolutely honest with you and say, if that M4 was my personally owned weapon, I would of done it in a heart beat. Just to say that I have a legit British rifle. One dude traded me a Gerber for one of his Berets as well. The KBAR got me a Frog Top with patches, a beret, and one of the British Marine Pins that goes in the cover. Shit was cool, to say the least.
@Kaydzy I would imagine, you don't see bullpup rifles all that often in the states as it is. They're a dime a dozen. The legit rifles would for sure be hard to find, taking into consideration the 1986 Gun Ban Law. I'm not sure if you're American or not, so I'll just tell you anyhow... The 1986 law made it virtually impossible for any normal civilian to get an automatic or burst firearm, no matter what it is. If the gun was made prior to 1986, there are grandfather loopholes you can take, but can be risky. Otherwise, you can get a class B license and have no worries about it. Nonetheless, the L85 would still be a neat weapon to own, just to say you owned one. Similarly saying like a BAR, Tommy Gun, M60, etc.
@@j-greggo_laaa3736 It is still a section 5 firearm so only dealers, police and military can get them with it being a centre fire automatic rifle. Since Michael Ryan went on his killing spree in Hungerford in '87, they passed a law shortly afterward that all full bore automatic rifles would fall under section 5 of the firearms act. The only variant of the SA series you might get hold of is the L98A1 which makes the L85A1 look like the Rolls Royce of firearms!! We took 20 to the range back in 88 and came back with 4 that still worked!!
Thrillcekr I’m in the British cadets and I have done alot of shooting and it just becomes natural to reach over the weapon it doesn’t take long to get it
@@thebarch7594 becomes second nature, i had to get used to it in cadets 8 years ago, over the top was easier for me a few people would go under, plus we dont have a forward assist so its just slap on the charging handle. nothing like camp to get used to it plus using that an Lee enfields to pass your weopons handling drills.
@@climbingbow I was one of the last cadets generations (still part of it) who got to use the lee Enfield training rifle and I loved it hate the new one. And now we have got to do a forward assist and we must charge over the weapon or you will fail your a2 WHT.
I trained with the Brits from 3 Rifles and the first thing they said when I handed them my M4 WITH A 320, “Bloody Hell, this is light.” I still remember their reactions when we gave them the slick M4s, they were jealous of the weight difference lol.
@Aqua man My bad I misread the post ,but an m4 with an m320 is actually lighter than a l85A3 with full optics, and mag vs a fully loaded m4w/m320. So i guess we are both wrong here.
Aqua man Slightly heavier, not much heavier. With all their SUSAT sight and all their various other attachments, and probably it being a bullpup definitely made it seem heavier. Also, we were rocking the M320A1s for what that’s worth.
Aqua man My M4 was rocking the M68 optic, PEQ-15, and the M320A1. They were rocking whichever variant of their L85s, with the SUSAT sights, a good size laser attachment, tac-light, and a chunky foregrip. Overall, my M4 might be heavier, but definitely didn’t felt like it.
Aqua man By the way, this was the training exercise I took part in with the British troops in Fort Polk, Louisiana. ua-cam.com/video/hWsZsid7HiY/v-deo.html
@@skeptical_mann1196 Spoken like someone who has never handled either the L85A2 or A3, come back when you dont spew BS rhetoric! L85A2 + A3 are solid tried and tested guns, only bullpup you dont need to disassemble to clear a jam/malfunction on, one of the only real fully modular bullpups, shorter overall length, lighter in weight compared to Ar15's with same firepower but go on please tell us more... P.s prior to the L85 we the British used FN FAL's which isnt a bullpup so not sure where your getting "parliaments obsession" from.
@A-a-ron They have, on its 4th iteration of the rifle, all bugs and issues have been smoothed out, tried and battle tested in 3 wars now, it built a bad reputation after 1st persian Gulf where it had many issues, most of the issues ironed out but still wasnt good enough so the gun was then handed to H&K who revamped it smoothed out and refined the design even further.
Gamer634 19 you trying really hard to somehow make Canada seem relevant when in reality no one in this planet gives a damn about Canada or is intimidated by their military.
M16 is even prettier. In boot camp, we use the M16, as it's better suited for drill and bayonet training. Here's a pic, the M4 is the top, the M16 is on bottom, even though I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/FN-Military-Collector-Series_F6.jpg
@@Ranstone yeh I do see what you mean I like the more sold stock on the m16 but I really like the shorter barrel on the m4 makes the gun better for mobility were i feel the m16 would have the better accuracy.
I used the M4 a4 for 6 years in the infantry, cco pk14 and horizontal grip. Looooved that rifle (though i was a 50 gunner so i never actually shot it...) then i went to aviation and got an m16 a2 and hated my fucking life. The m4 is great because you can mod it to fit pretty much any mission/person. Though 5.56 is a not great round for fighting unarmored targets because the ballistics are so clean i can pass clean through w.o doing enough damage to kill/severely wound the target (as reported in vietnam when the switch over from m14 to m16 occurred.) M14 AMR is an amazing riffle that puts all others to shame in non urban ops imo.
Bull pup has some advantages for modern military’s and also the brits have non bull pup weapons they train on the Americans have no standard bull pup firearm
Pffft once you've drilled it's just as easy, there's well known advantages to bullpups and discounting them based on lessons learned from civilian shooting is foolishness
GeneralAdvance exactly the advantages are you can have the same barrel length in a shorter overall firearm and you have more weight closer to the body making it easier to maneuver
@@GeneralAdvance it might be just as easy but it isn't just as fast, no way you could reload as quick and smooth as 1:50 with a bullpup. bullpups have some big advantages but they also have _a lot_ of disadvantages. there's a reason most militaries still use conventional rifles and some countries (france, NZ) have even moved away from bullpups.
@@xavierh.5102 a well-trained soldier who was used to the weapon COULD reload it just as fast, just lift the rifle up, change it then down again, one smooth fluid motion. But frankly if you're a decent enough shot the question wouldn't arise, 30 rounds in that magazine, if you've not hit what you're aiming at by the time it's empty you're not going to as the enemy certainly will have
In the 90s we had an combined shooting competition in Germany - I was part of the UK team, we had to fire the M16s un-sighted non optics. Iron sights. We beat the American team using their weapons in the team event. There were Dutch & German teams there also. It was a great time we all went out as a very large group at night and they even had a beer tent on the firing range.
@@seyedahmadseyedabdolahi5616 depends on the purpose and user. Regular troops, I would pick the ak in a heartbeat, special forces, or recon units, I would go m4.
It's become standard in the US military and by American civilians to try to leave your firing hand on those controls, to make weapon reloads and the like faster. It's an advantage. Also shows they haven't had to deal with AK pattern rifles.
Its counter intuitive at first. I can recall being prone wondering if it was just the British army being sadistic. You get used to it. Makes sense to keep hand on pistol grip as much as possible.
@@cavscout888 But that's his point, they weren't doing that, they were holding the front handguard with their left while taking their firing hand off the pistol grip to operate the rifle's controls. British manual of arms is to do everything with your left hand while holding the pistol grip with your right, the only issue is the designers put the controls everywhere on the rifle (on the left side under the sling, cocking handle on the right, etc) so you're constantly flying around the rifle with your left hand to do basic drills. BotR has a good video explaining the ergonomics and manual of arms ua-cam.com/video/kGlEgxT1gpE/v-deo.html
@@G1NZOU It's the method in the US as well. Problem comes when some weapons are really hard to actually do that with. If something is difficult to do with an M16/M4, you're likely doing it wrong. Exception being locking the bolt back is about as wonky as charging an L85.
@@ruzziasht349 yeah mate it's pointed out by the uniform. This video is cut together, we haven't seen how much time they've had with the weapon. As clean as he is, he may have practiced with the weapon more than the others, may be more naturally able to switch weapons. Either way he is smooth.
As soon as they handed the l85s over the british troops grabbed the US rifles and ran as fast as they could. knowing full well even if they managed to figure the gun out itd malfunction
@@carolusrex8488 I would not say that, but it is no where near as bad as people make out, not since the A2 was introduced. The A1 was terrible, but the A2 sorted almost all the issues. The two biggest ones the rifle has remaining is its weight (its a fat boy for a service rifle), and the fact that in urban environments it is impossible to switch shoulders unless you want your teeth caved in..... A lot of people hate it because they hate bullpups, and because they have heard the stories of the A1 and have it in their head that the A2 has not really changed much. I would not call it the best service rifle out there, but it is a long way from being the worst now.
@@alganhar1 The m16 model is way superior in everything the L85 has, and the M16 is not a stupid bullpup. Why do bullpups exist? Cause people cannot fire guns do they need to modefy them
My favorite foreign military is definitely the Brits. Mainly because we speak the same language so we can fuck around together most effectively! Real talk though, it actually makes a lot of sense for allies to learn the ins and outs of each others weapon systems for effective combined operations.
Definitely shows the difference in combat mentality between our boys, too. Slower, heavier and more deliberate 7.62 rounds (fewer shots fired but greater stopping power) vs the quick, lightweight and aggressive 5.56 (overwhelming show of force via a rain of bullets). The 5.56 is cheaper to produce, too.
FN FAL, semi auto developed by FN in Belgium and made under licence in Birmingham for the British army, Designated the L1A1 and just called SLR by squaddies. Argentina used the full auto version of the same rifle in the Falklands
"Why'd you need the goddurn magazine at the back red coats?" "Oi mate, we had to get 'eckler and koch to make this weapon because the first time we made it, it were shit weren't it?"
The Alright Tank Historian we did, accuracy international (and for that matter the Parker-Hale equivalent) are some of the best sharpshooter/ sniper rifles arround even the US uses them!
It is as much cultural, the British as a whole do not feel the need to own weapons. However, it is far from impossible to do so. I personally shoot WWI and WWII rifles and own a fair few, including 2 SMLE no 1Mk III, a Lee Enfield No 4 mk I, a K98k, Enfield 1917 and a Greek mannlicher-schoenour. Not to mention the obligatory .22 LR target rifle and a .243 that my daughter uses. Yes, guns are regulated in the UK, and yes there are restrictions, but this idea they are illegal to own is not in fact the case. Anything up to .50 cal is legally ownable.
@@alganhar1 Can you explain something to me? Do you have to be in a gun club to own rifles bigger than .22? I'm a firearm owner from NI, and I want bigger calibre guns but I still don't know much about the gun laws/regulations. Want a handgun too, in NI that's legal but not in Britain.
This is golden! You never remember how quirky the L85 is the first time until you see someone fumbling with the cocking lever and dust cover lock switch!
I recall finding the hold-open on the L1A1 pretty awkward, and that's almost universally called a better rifle. The gas plug seems to defeat civilian firers though, based on vids on youtube.
Technically it was just a scuffle between Europeans outside of Europe. Mostly British vs British. But the french wanted to spit on the mainland British so they helped the tax evading rebels instead 😂
Ladey Babey ah yes the lawful, authorised military intervention ‘terrorists’. Despite the ‘American’ militia being the illegal force using guerilla tactics to sabotage British ships and supplies, and burning down officials’ homes. Arson, robbery, and violent action. Who were the terrorists again?
As a British guy I would much rather use an M4, simply because it weighs ~1kg less. However the L85A3 has killer accuracy, and I think it suits us well.
@@thecurlew7403 it’s a bit weighty I grant you that but thats because it has a longer barrel which make it better. No harder to clean than anything else
Always found it weird the British military would settle on a bullpup that’s not ambidextrous. It would’ve been really cool for the left handed Americans to try out
@@thedoftranquillity I would say they had probably not long finished their tour of Ceremonial duties, the Companies of each Guards Battalion take it in turns. As for being fairies, I disagree, yes, they have to do the pretty stuff, but they train the harder for it when they are doing their real jobs....
A weeaboo trying to sound like an authority on guns 🤣. The only time a weeb will see a gun is the last few seconds before he puts it in his mouth and pulls the trigger.
Its actually not that hated. Since the H&K upgrades, soldiers actually quite like it, even though its heavy, but that works as an advantage as it soaks up a lot of the recoil, and its small size is very nice for CQB. It takes some getting used to, but once your accustomed to its features, its decent and gets the job done, and is extremely accurate. Source - I am ex British Army
@@-babybot which anime did you learn such colorful language? The one with the 12 year old girls that are naked or the one with the girl you have a body pillow of?
I wonder what the US soldiers would have thought of the old SLR? I was using that just before the early SA80 came in during the 80's. I preferred the SLR and its 7.62 round..
Imagine if we'd picked the FAL over the retarded M14 back in the 60's. That would've been cool, but then we might not have adopted the M16/M4, and that's a thought I can't bear to imagine. Praise be unto Saint Stoner and Saint Browning for the blessings they bestowed upon the firearms community.
On the flip side of what the US troops thought of the SLR, I heard a story from an old salt in the British army who visited a US base in Germany in the 60s and was handed an M16 on the range to shoot and thought at first it was a training rifle! He thought it was a great idea, scaled down rifle and round for shooting and handling practice. The US soldier then told him "No, that's the actual M16." That's the story anyway.
M14 was not retarded it was basicallly an M1 Garand chambered for the Nato 7.62 fed from an external box mag. Sure it had wood furniture but if you got in a tussle you could give him a taste of the but plate or the bayonet and he would be quiet. Oh and it would work which the early M16 would tend not to when it really mattered. Of course time has passed and the Mettal toy has improved but dont bad mouth the M14.
DalDe05 M27 IAR. They want everyone to have a miny machine gun even though Knight Armament just made a machine gun lighter than the M27. Think of the m27 as an HK416 with longer and heavier barrel.
Mr.Whaler the whole idea of switching to the M4 was for a smaller and lighter barrel. Hopefully the marine corp ends up giving the M4s to us POGs. Especially cuz I’m 5’3 and been carrying around the musket16A4 lately.
0:24 lmfao, It's actually hilarious to see a US marine handling an SA80 like an ACF cadet (who are 13-18 years old). He did the thing where he desperately tried to find the bolt release, first trying to move the bolt-latch up and down, he then tried fiddling with the literal screws holding the gun together hoping they're buttons, if the clip continues I assume he would look on the other side of the rifle and find the actual bolt catch (a black square block) and tried pushing on it, only to find it wouldn't release the bolt and then giving up and finally learning that he had to push that block downwards with his thumb to release the bolt.
US marines trying to figure out the bullpup design and getting used to the feel. Royal marines be like "yes finally got my hands on these bad boys!". Bet the bullpup feel grew on some of those US marines over time.
We did this in the army as MPs in Afghanistan with the German forces. It was called earning our Schützenschnur badge. Its pronounced "shoots N Sneer". You qualify on their handgun,rifle and MG. Was a great time and alot of fun. One of the germans blew part of his thumb off with a frag grenade because he ducked behind the barrier and his hand was sticking out the side, shrapnel ripped it right off lol.
I remember watching this when I was first getting into military knowledge, I was like “who’s who and who’s weapons which” and now I’m like “ah yes, Marpat and MTP, very different indeed”
Seeing the British soldiers grab the mags by the bottom with their palm and then slapping the bolt release makes me flinch a little. Grabbing the side of the mag and then hitting the bolt release with your thumb is the best for speed and control of the mag imo.
“Is it a British thing to shout STOPPAGE! after every shot?” “Yes it is mate. It’s now 1200hrs you’ve got until 2300hrs to clean your weapon With half a cleaning kit before returning it to the armoury”
to be fair, the newest AK the russians came up with is slick. its like someone took the workhorse rifle AK-47 and brought it to M4 levels of refinement. different calibers for different purposes, i suppose.
Have you heard about the unveiling of the Abrams X? We've made a video on it, check it out
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Its like military show and tell
SHAMBALAKING RULES it’s like military “let me try a couple rounds.”
The show and tell everyone hates:
Hey I got an AK 47!
American: destroys middle eastern guy*
Bring ur fav toys
US marines get to find out how unlucky the brits are to have the shitiest assault rifle in service
Or normal show and tell in the USA
All the American weapons mysteriously went missing that night. All they found was a note scrawled in pencil which said, "Cheers lads!"
Haha
bedconsumer no but you lost to people with bolt action rifles that rode goats
@@gregjones7665 the limeys were in Nam as well
@@LiteralCrimeRave Not really.
@@dbdb9334 While the Uk did not semd combat troops, they very much WERE present, acting as advisors to the south For Britain's involvement in the First Vietnam War, the officially stated casualty list was 40 British and Indian soldiers killed, don't know why they were put together though
Battlefield : Character is an expert in every weapon
Irl soldiers: where's the trigger on this? Which way does the bullet come out?
😂😂
I’m surprised he responds still to this day
Hehe who responds
Lol
@@MarineServices you are cool
We Brits are a fair minded race.
Our rifles are designed to give the enemy a sporting chance.
@Glitchtale! Chara Dreemurr lmao
Ha ha best quote ever
Is that why you plundered half of the world? Because you're fair minded? Dumb clot
@@herbertmacaulay8987 where r u from? Chances r your country killed a few to claim it’s plot of land...
@@herbertmacaulay8987 like every other empire in history? Stop being pissy about the past
American soldiers: "wtf is this?"
British soldiers: "wtf is this?"
UA-cam algorithm: "haha they not know bang bang watch this"
@Chicken Thigh nobody asked
Our L129A1 is pretty much the same as the american AR OR M4 so not that bad for us. Getting to grips with the cocking handle on the right side of the weapon would be alien to a US soldier.
@@lad2987 lmao
@Quint Essential he never said he/she was against them he/she was just making a joke my friend.
Quint Essential its still a better love story than twilight
*American an german soldiers bonding with machine-guns*
American an British soldiers: how the hell do you work these things
U.S: Hey! HEY! IT'S A MACHINEGUN!
German: proceeds to hallucinate about the holocaust
@@reidtucker7563 "Haha, okay."
@@femmemachete *death march plays in the distance*
I just read that in a Brit accent
US & UK: so we're going to practice manoeuvres where should we go?
Germany: Poland.
US & UK: good idea, we can practice an invasion.
Germany: yes, practice....
the Uk doesnt need nukes.
the L85 is so heavy that they drop a single one out of a plane and the countries beneath disappear
It’s only 1lb heavier than the m4 😂
Its only 5kg fully loaded geez 😂
Sscorpiun No. it’s actually a 7lb difference which is huge when your walking around + combat.
@@MrYabber dont start this, pleeeeaaaase
@@onlyrushb6428 yee
"Do you guys use any sort of hearing protection? We sure don't."
"Huh?!"
Were is that
Time stamp?
Who’s not wearing ear condoms?
@Earl Lee so? still need ears
Hannibal the cannibal
ear condoms 😭😭😭
I remember last year we did a big training exercise with the Brits, dudes are cool as shit and ALWAYS want KBARs and are willing to trade some of their shit for a KBAR. But we did this same thing, it all started out of my own curiosity. I asked them if I could look at their rifles and they were cool with it. So, I'm holding this thing up and I'm just like, "This thing is so fucking awkward..." and their response killed me, "Nah man, it isn't that bad." So I hand them my M4 and say, "Here, try this." They pass it around and they jokingly ask, "Shit man, we were wrong, we like this better. You wanna trade?" I'm going to absolutely honest with you and say, if that M4 was my personally owned weapon, I would of done it in a heart beat. Just to say that I have a legit British rifle. One dude traded me a Gerber for one of his Berets as well. The KBAR got me a Frog Top with patches, a beret, and one of the British Marine Pins that goes in the cover. Shit was cool, to say the least.
@Kaydzy I would imagine, you don't see bullpup rifles all that often in the states as it is. They're a dime a dozen. The legit rifles would for sure be hard to find, taking into consideration the 1986 Gun Ban Law. I'm not sure if you're American or not, so I'll just tell you anyhow... The 1986 law made it virtually impossible for any normal civilian to get an automatic or burst firearm, no matter what it is. If the gun was made prior to 1986, there are grandfather loopholes you can take, but can be risky. Otherwise, you can get a class B license and have no worries about it. Nonetheless, the L85 would still be a neat weapon to own, just to say you owned one. Similarly saying like a BAR, Tommy Gun, M60, etc.
@@bradscott4048 You might be able to get a hold of of an L98A2 its only semiautomatic. They are used for training cadets.
@@h.walker1332 7/10 gun, if you ask me. Cadet ones are lower quality.
@@h.walker1332 I was literally shooting them yesterday in my cadets haha
@@j-greggo_laaa3736 It is still a section 5 firearm so only dealers, police and military can get them with it being a centre fire automatic rifle. Since Michael Ryan went on his killing spree in Hungerford in '87, they passed a law shortly afterward that all full bore automatic rifles would fall under section 5 of the firearms act. The only variant of the SA series you might get hold of is the L98A1 which makes the L85A1 look like the Rolls Royce of firearms!! We took 20 to the range back in 88 and came back with 4 that still worked!!
I love the marine trying to figure out the bullpup
Thrillcekr I’m in the British cadets and I have done alot of shooting and it just becomes natural to reach over the weapon it doesn’t take long to get it
@@thebarch7594 becomes second nature, i had to get used to it in cadets 8 years ago, over the top was easier for me a few people would go under, plus we dont have a forward assist so its just slap on the charging handle. nothing like camp to get used to it plus using that an Lee enfields to pass your weopons handling drills.
@@climbingbow I was one of the last cadets generations (still part of it) who got to use the lee Enfield training rifle and I loved it hate the new one. And now we have got to do a forward assist and we must charge over the weapon or you will fail your a2 WHT.
@@matthewyoung9828 yeah Lee Enfield was a fun one to us an yeah for SA back then it was just do what works best so WHT was pretty easy for us
@@climbingbow yea times change but I still prefer the no6 over the new CSBTR
I trained with the Brits from 3 Rifles and the first thing they said when I handed them my M4 WITH A 320, “Bloody Hell, this is light.” I still remember their reactions when we gave them the slick M4s, they were jealous of the weight difference lol.
@Aqua man so you are comparing an m4 with a underslung grenade launcher with just a standard l85......How much paint thinners have you sniffed.
@Aqua man My bad I misread the post ,but an m4 with an m320 is actually lighter than a l85A3 with full optics, and mag vs a fully loaded m4w/m320. So i guess we are both wrong here.
Aqua man Slightly heavier, not much heavier. With all their SUSAT sight and all their various other attachments, and probably it being a bullpup definitely made it seem heavier. Also, we were rocking the M320A1s for what that’s worth.
Aqua man My M4 was rocking the M68 optic, PEQ-15, and the M320A1. They were rocking whichever variant of their L85s, with the SUSAT sights, a good size laser attachment, tac-light, and a chunky foregrip. Overall, my M4 might be heavier, but definitely didn’t felt like it.
Aqua man By the way, this was the training exercise I took part in with the British troops in Fort Polk, Louisiana.
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"Cool guns. Didn't realize Britain was in space."
British standard issue weapons are normally shit due to parliaments weird obsession with bull pups
Kinda looks like a gun from starship troopers or something lol
@@skeptical_mann1196 They're just jealous of the Famas.
@@skeptical_mann1196 Spoken like someone who has never handled either the L85A2 or A3, come back when you dont spew BS rhetoric! L85A2 + A3 are solid tried and tested guns, only bullpup you dont need to disassemble to clear a jam/malfunction on, one of the only real fully modular bullpups, shorter overall length, lighter in weight compared to Ar15's with same firepower but go on please tell us more...
P.s prior to the L85 we the British used FN FAL's which isnt a bullpup so not sure where your getting "parliaments obsession" from.
@A-a-ron They have, on its 4th iteration of the rifle, all bugs and issues have been smoothed out, tried and battle tested in 3 wars now, it built a bad reputation after 1st persian Gulf where it had many issues, most of the issues ironed out but still wasnt good enough so the gun was then handed to H&K who revamped it smoothed out and refined the design even further.
American Soldier: Hey wanna come around to my house bro and play with my new toys ?
British: Yeah bro! I'll bring mine too.
American: Sweet bro!
We Americans never shy away from new shooty shoots
SMDA - Semi-Monthly
Or sharing them around.
Us: hey let's let Canada join
Uk/dad to the us: Canada let's bring them in later
Canada: us can we do it by are selves
Us: yes
@@Poker-vp3ch Ya Goddamn right MURICA!
Gamer634 19 you trying really hard to somehow make Canada seem relevant when in reality no one in this planet gives a damn about Canada or is intimidated by their military.
Should I start an in-depth analysis channel? Any suggestions on topics are welcomed !
Edit: That channel has been made... @VersatileWarrior
Reconnaissance
What about Recon should I look into?
Warfootage
Shawnie be Good An analysis of war footage?
GRIP POD. Kill it with fire
"who needs a plastic rifle?
but seriously, it would be helpful. this rifle ways a ton..."
What time did he say this I didn't here it
You made this up
@@dayton2vx yeah, so?
@@Drinky05_ I made it up, its a joke bro
@@onlyrushb6428 then take " away ya fuckin Nob head
UK or US. All Marines are the best, no one has armed forces like us UK or the US.
That I can agree with
@@MarineServices india
@@vipinvnath4011 quality over quantity
Thats british soldiers not royal marines but you're still righg
@@vipinvnath4011 quality over quantity
They were like: Blimey mate! a rifle that doesn't suck arse!
The a3 is good
It’s said that it’s one of the worst military rifles ever produced.
Scooby-Doo that’s the SA80 the first one not the A2 or A3 which Are very good guns
Scooby-Doo A3 is better than some colonial made weapon
@@bomk4249 Weren't they refitted by Heckler and Koche, in order to make the A3?
The problem with bullpop is mag smell like arm pit
Bet it would 😂
Problem is when you need to reload when your prone, nose right in the pit 🤣
Hahahahha 👍🏻👌
Yeah that’s the one😂
This is the best one yet 😂😂😂
British and American troops....no interpreter needed. We share the same language and history. True brothers.
Marines: "This is how you lost the colonies" showing a bullpup
@ASCALON weird how they can stop Napoleon but not farmers
@@richardshull2290 Who had the help of the French army or you just forgot that bit lol
@@craigk1328 because they did a lot.
Bullpup musket.
@ASCALON they meant us. we were the farmers in that sentence.
The US m4 is such a lovely looking weapon especially with all its attachments!
M16 is even prettier.
In boot camp, we use the M16, as it's better suited for drill and bayonet training.
Here's a pic, the M4 is the top, the M16 is on bottom, even though I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I'm talking about.
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@@Ranstone yeh I do see what you mean I like the more sold stock on the m16 but I really like the shorter barrel on the m4 makes the gun better for mobility were i feel the m16 would have the better accuracy.
I used the M4 a4 for 6 years in the infantry, cco pk14 and horizontal grip. Looooved that rifle (though i was a 50 gunner so i never actually shot it...) then i went to aviation and got an m16 a2 and hated my fucking life. The m4 is great because you can mod it to fit pretty much any mission/person. Though 5.56 is a not great round for fighting unarmored targets because the ballistics are so clean i can pass clean through w.o doing enough damage to kill/severely wound the target (as reported in vietnam when the switch over from m14 to m16 occurred.) M14 AMR is an amazing riffle that puts all others to shame in non urban ops imo.
I am British, but my late husband was in the US air force. I have alot of respect and admiration for both countries.
Respect to our usa brothers
U mean neighbor
CRAZY Monkey1x1 we are brothers in arms because in war you don’t have neighbors you have your brothers and the other guy aka the enemy
You to
You can tell they immediately take to the rifles ergonomics, bullpup ain't it chief
Bull pup has some advantages for modern military’s and also the brits have non bull pup weapons they train on the Americans have no standard bull pup firearm
Pffft once you've drilled it's just as easy, there's well known advantages to bullpups and discounting them based on lessons learned from civilian shooting is foolishness
GeneralAdvance exactly the advantages are you can have the same barrel length in a shorter overall firearm and you have more weight closer to the body making it easier to maneuver
@@GeneralAdvance it might be just as easy but it isn't just as fast, no way you could reload as quick and smooth as 1:50 with a bullpup. bullpups have some big advantages but they also have _a lot_ of disadvantages. there's a reason most militaries still use conventional rifles and some countries (france, NZ) have even moved away from bullpups.
@@xavierh.5102 a well-trained soldier who was used to the weapon COULD reload it just as fast, just lift the rifle up, change it then down again, one smooth fluid motion. But frankly if you're a decent enough shot the question wouldn't arise, 30 rounds in that magazine, if you've not hit what you're aiming at by the time it's empty you're not going to as the enemy certainly will have
In the 90s we had an combined shooting competition in Germany - I was part of the UK team, we had to fire the M16s un-sighted non optics. Iron sights. We beat the American team using their weapons in the team event. There were Dutch & German teams there also. It was a great time we all went out as a very large group at night and they even had a beer tent on the firing range.
In Germany? Bring the teams that beat those phoney Americans to Texas and real Americans would easily beat them with their own weapons
@@Shadow-oq2th You mean fat hairy old men who shoot at targets all day?
@@graygamingps4503 kid u have 20 Subs And U Spread germs in this planet lmao Infected fuck
@@totifaddye6587 you got pissed that he defined half of your southern population perfectly and went on at him for subs? Give me a bloody break...
GrayGamingPS4 eat shit, you emo basement dweller. Some of us aren’t hairy
Would like to see the reactions to Russian military and America/nato troops swapping weapons
As opposed to their previous habit of exchanging bullets.
@@jonasgrant yes
Maxime Russians like to exchange billets more though, so it’s hard
@@jonasgrant m4 vs ak74
@@seyedahmadseyedabdolahi5616 depends on the purpose and user. Regular troops, I would pick the ak in a heartbeat, special forces, or recon units, I would go m4.
Whenever I see the UK military I can't not think about "OH NO, NO SOAP! YOU DIDN'T JUJU ON THAT BEAT!"
Your fruit killing skills are remarkable.
Hahaha, oh shit 😅
Bravo Six going dark. Over and out.
@@asdf-bi3tp cant be over and out m8
@@thejackal9834 hes american. we do actually say that, though most people that do arent military.
US hands them a phone
British: “what’s this for?”
US: “air strike’s, their basically our primary weapon”
1:44 i gave all my mags away... lol
I love how one of the British guy starts tactical reloading with the M4, insert the mag in then slap the gun
You kno they’re guards when they start mixing drill with firing positions @ 2:27 he thought he heard “right turn!”
I was wondering what the hell that was
So happy I'm not the only to notice that abomination of a stance
Im dying lmao
I can’t unsee that now
I love how a few of the yanks tried cocking the handle with their firing hand, doubt many have touched a bull-pup before
It's become standard in the US military and by American civilians to try to leave your firing hand on those controls, to make weapon reloads and the like faster. It's an advantage. Also shows they haven't had to deal with AK pattern rifles.
Quick way to lose the tip or more of a finger
Its counter intuitive at first. I can recall being prone wondering if it was just the British army being sadistic. You get used to it. Makes sense to keep hand on pistol grip as much as possible.
@@cavscout888 But that's his point, they weren't doing that, they were holding the front handguard with their left while taking their firing hand off the pistol grip to operate the rifle's controls. British manual of arms is to do everything with your left hand while holding the pistol grip with your right, the only issue is the designers put the controls everywhere on the rifle (on the left side under the sling, cocking handle on the right, etc) so you're constantly flying around the rifle with your left hand to do basic drills. BotR has a good video explaining the ergonomics and manual of arms ua-cam.com/video/kGlEgxT1gpE/v-deo.html
@@G1NZOU It's the method in the US as well. Problem comes when some weapons are really hard to actually do that with. If something is difficult to do with an M16/M4, you're likely doing it wrong. Exception being locking the bolt back is about as wonky as charging an L85.
My man at 1:50 has put in time to know what he is doing.
That's not his weapon though, he's a Brit with an American weapon
@@ruzziasht349 yeah mate it's pointed out by the uniform. This video is cut together, we haven't seen how much time they've had with the weapon. As clean as he is, he may have practiced with the weapon more than the others, may be more naturally able to switch weapons. Either way he is smooth.
@@staticjump the others were awful with the Bullpups - I'm assuming everyone had the same amount of time.
It’s not a very complicated rifle so not that much time lol
Which is weird cause you don't really need to smack the bolt release like that you can just give it a press.
U.S Marine: So how do you use this?
U.K Soldier: that's the neat thing, You don't
1:28
"So it's like an AK"
"Eeeeehhhhh"
I assume they were talking about how the l85 is gas operated
As soon as they handed the l85s over the british troops grabbed the US rifles and ran as fast as they could. knowing full well even if they managed to figure the gun out itd malfunction
The l85 is superior to the m4
Non-masturbating Tyrannosaurus Rex 🧢
@@non-masturbatingtyrannosau3476 Doubt
@@carolusrex8488 I would not say that, but it is no where near as bad as people make out, not since the A2 was introduced. The A1 was terrible, but the A2 sorted almost all the issues. The two biggest ones the rifle has remaining is its weight (its a fat boy for a service rifle), and the fact that in urban environments it is impossible to switch shoulders unless you want your teeth caved in.....
A lot of people hate it because they hate bullpups, and because they have heard the stories of the A1 and have it in their head that the A2 has not really changed much. I would not call it the best service rifle out there, but it is a long way from being the worst now.
@@alganhar1 The m16 model is way superior in everything the L85 has, and the M16 is not a stupid bullpup. Why do bullpups exist? Cause people cannot fire guns do they need to modefy them
2:30 what kind of damn ballerina stance is that 😂
I said the same shit. Lol
Its how you turn during drill
i imagine a DS roasting his ass
That means the British can dance and fight at the same time, no problem !
That is the stance of a man who almost monged it and turned the wrong way 😂
American soldier: okay very funny now where's your actual rifles?
1:50
Why does the Brit look so American, and the Yank look so British?
The shades, man.
Cousins, I guess.
Eh, they look like normal people. A country doesn’t have a certain face
Well um us Americans were British before so.
@@Vune_GG
A country doesn't have a face, but a Nation often does.
My favorite foreign military is definitely the Brits. Mainly because we speak the same language so we can fuck around together most effectively! Real talk though, it actually makes a lot of sense for allies to learn the ins and outs of each others weapon systems for effective combined operations.
nobody :
America : THE BRITISH ARE COMING THE BRITISH ARE COMING, lets show them how to use our guns
It’s crazy how history has flip flopped
Amazing to think less than 500 years ago our nations fought a fierce war with one another and now we fight on the same side of the battle field.
Miss the days when Brits brought the best infantry rifle created to exchange events: 7.62 SLR
Be all like pewpewpewpew
Zippitty22 more like PEW PEW PEW
Definitely shows the difference in combat mentality between our boys, too. Slower, heavier and more deliberate 7.62 rounds (fewer shots fired but greater stopping power) vs the quick, lightweight and aggressive 5.56 (overwhelming show of force via a rain of bullets). The 5.56 is cheaper to produce, too.
FN FAL, semi auto developed by FN in Belgium and made under licence in Birmingham for the British army, Designated the L1A1 and just called SLR by squaddies. Argentina used the full auto version of the same rifle in the Falklands
@@MiaogisTeas SA 80 is also a 5.56 NATO round
"Why'd you need the goddurn magazine at the back red coats?"
"Oi mate, we had to get 'eckler and koch to make this weapon because the first time we made it, it were shit weren't it?"
@dustisdeadbodies85 British own at the time yes but regardless the Brits still needed german engineers to fix the stupid thing.
@@Predator42ID The engineers at the time were actually British as well. They were former Enfield engineers.
@dustisdeadbodies85 well owned by a british company, but it's sad we couldn't make a (at least) competent rifle the first time.
The Alright Tank Historian we did, accuracy international (and for that matter the Parker-Hale equivalent) are some of the best sharpshooter/ sniper rifles arround even the US uses them!
Yep, and the M16 famously had no issues at all when it was first brought into service
"Every Marine a Rifleman"
Respect to our British allies!
one of the most wholesome things ive seen this year
Difference is, you can go home and get a Gun like your Service Rifle in the US, in the UK, that is kind of frowned upon!
It is as much cultural, the British as a whole do not feel the need to own weapons. However, it is far from impossible to do so. I personally shoot WWI and WWII rifles and own a fair few, including 2 SMLE no 1Mk III, a Lee Enfield No 4 mk I, a K98k, Enfield 1917 and a Greek mannlicher-schoenour. Not to mention the obligatory .22 LR target rifle and a .243 that my daughter uses.
Yes, guns are regulated in the UK, and yes there are restrictions, but this idea they are illegal to own is not in fact the case. Anything up to .50 cal is legally ownable.
@@alganhar1 ye it’s just real hard to be allowed to own them as we can not get them for personal protection unlike America
I too enjoy the 2nd amendment
@@alganhar1 Can you explain something to me? Do you have to be in a gun club to own rifles bigger than .22? I'm a firearm owner from NI, and I want bigger calibre guns but I still don't know much about the gun laws/regulations. Want a handgun too, in NI that's legal but not in Britain.
Together we’re united 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
It was already united states
I’ve held the British AR when I was in Afghanistan and boy are they heavy compared to the M4
Thank you all for your service. Thank you to our Allies too.
Girls in Europe: "omg I cant wait to visit the big ben"
Boys in europe:
This is golden! You never remember how quirky the L85 is the first time until you see someone fumbling with the cocking lever and dust cover lock switch!
I recall finding the hold-open on the L1A1 pretty awkward, and that's almost universally called a better rifle.
The gas plug seems to defeat civilian firers though, based on vids on youtube.
to think at one point in time men of those ages and nationalities were enemies
Technically it was just a scuffle between Europeans outside of Europe. Mostly British vs British. But the french wanted to spit on the mainland British so they helped the tax evading rebels instead 😂
Ladey Babey ah yes the lawful, authorised military intervention ‘terrorists’. Despite the ‘American’ militia being the illegal force using guerilla tactics to sabotage British ships and supplies, and burning down officials’ homes. Arson, robbery, and violent action. Who were the terrorists again?
Calm down! Why are you Yanks always so touchy about everything?
Because George III was Hanoverian a lot of the fighting on the British side was by the Kings German legion.
@Ladey Babey you can thank the French, Spanish and Dutch for that, you’d still be a colony otherwise.
All I see is a bunch of self-firing, floating guns?
I really though that Marine was going to break the British rifle in the first 30 seconds lol
Can't break what's broken
brings me great joy hearing a belfast accent in a british uniform
He's in the uk armed forces so it's common to hear. Not like he can join Irelands military, maybe if they had one hahaha
@koolcat420 NI ain't Ireland so no he's no traitor. The two are separate by choice of northern Ireland
I love the sibling like friendship and rivalry the us and Ik have! 🇺🇸 🤜🤛🇬🇧
The UK doesn't really rival with the U.S.
Not rivals.
Guy on the right is Stuart Montgomery, grandson of Bernard Montgomery and son of David Montgomery. 1:49
The muzzle awareness is an itch I can't scratch in this video.
As a British guy I would much rather use an M4, simply because it weighs ~1kg less. However the L85A3 has killer accuracy, and I think it suits us well.
The l85 is also more reliable and had far les recoil
@@thamas_420It's junk.😅😅😅😅
@@thecurlew7403 nope, the a2 and 3 are wonderful rifles
@thamas_420 The biggest heap of junk ever made a nightmare to clean weighs a ton you think it Was esembled from a Kit.
@@thecurlew7403 it’s a bit weighty I grant you that but thats because it has a longer barrel which make it better. No harder to clean than anything else
Always found it weird the British military would settle on a bullpup that’s not ambidextrous. It would’ve been really cool for the left handed Americans to try out
This looks like cooperation but its really just "If you fuck with us, this is what we can use to fuck with you"
Anyone holding one of them “L”s for a first time is gonna try to figure out how to turn on the blaster fire
This is really wholesome. Just armies of two different countries sharing their massive toys.
M4 is the best gift the US has given into this planet.
And Aiding Europe After WW2 without it half of it would be in poverty
CRAZY Monkey1x1 okay
CRAZY Monkey1x1 okay
"shoots like an AK" Sounds about right lol
Also 1:50 is pure gold.
M4's jam exposed to ice.
AK's jam exposed to mud.
L85's jam exposed to ammo.
Hahahaha brah. At 2:27 look at that one guys shooting stance second from the left. No way in hell was he taught to ever shoot like that.
It's Drill. X'D
Not like, rifle drill, I mean like, marching drill. That's a "By the right flank" in yank terms.
You know they're guards when they start mixing up drills.
All guardsmen are big fairies, this just proves it.
@@thedoftranquillity I would say they had probably not long finished their tour of Ceremonial duties, the Companies of each Guards Battalion take it in turns. As for being fairies, I disagree, yes, they have to do the pretty stuff, but they train the harder for it when they are doing their real jobs....
L85 is a universally hated weapon. Literally never met anyone who have used one and said "Yea best gun right there"
A weeaboo trying to sound like an authority on guns 🤣. The only time a weeb will see a gun is the last few seconds before he puts it in his mouth and pulls the trigger.
Its actually not that hated. Since the H&K upgrades, soldiers actually quite like it, even though its heavy, but that works as an advantage as it soaks up a lot of the recoil, and its small size is very nice for CQB. It takes some getting used to, but once your accustomed to its features, its decent and gets the job done, and is extremely accurate.
Source - I am ex British Army
@@peacefrog929 dont be a fucking fuck you asshole
@@-babybot which anime did you learn such colorful language? The one with the 12 year old girls that are naked or the one with the girl you have a body pillow of?
@@peacefrog929 bruh, I despise anime. But you literally don't attack someone just for being a weeb
"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle
"- Gen. John "Black Jack" Pershing
I like that quote and "Never underestimate a Marine with nothing left to lose".
It's Sometimes quoted as "man" instead of Marine.
The most deadliest is a Scottish soldier playing the bagpipes in battle.
This is like a car meet but instead its a gun meet
I wonder what the US soldiers would have thought of the old SLR? I was using that just before the early SA80 came in during the 80's. I preferred the SLR and its 7.62 round..
Imagine if we'd picked the FAL over the retarded M14 back in the 60's. That would've been cool, but then we might not have adopted the M16/M4, and that's a thought I can't bear to imagine. Praise be unto Saint Stoner and Saint Browning for the blessings they bestowed upon the firearms community.
On the flip side of what the US troops thought of the SLR, I heard a story from an old salt in the British army who visited a US base in Germany in the 60s and was handed an M16 on the range to shoot and thought at first it was a training rifle! He thought it was a great idea, scaled down rifle and round for shooting and handling practice. The US soldier then told him "No, that's the actual M16." That's the story anyway.
@@Surv1ve_Thrive lol...
M14 was not retarded it was basicallly an M1 Garand chambered for the Nato 7.62 fed from an external box mag. Sure it had wood furniture but if you got in a tussle you could give him a taste of the but plate or the bayonet and he would be quiet. Oh and it would work which the early M16 would tend not to when it really mattered. Of course time has passed and the Mettal toy has improved but dont bad mouth the M14.
They arent soldiers there Marines
I love the m4😖to bad they replacing it soon
'Replacing it soon?' Lol...
@@cavscout888 yep
With what?
DalDe05 M27 IAR. They want everyone to have a miny machine gun even though Knight Armament just made a machine gun lighter than the M27. Think of the m27 as an HK416 with longer and heavier barrel.
Mr.Whaler the whole idea of switching to the M4 was for a smaller and lighter barrel. Hopefully the marine corp ends up giving the M4s to us POGs. Especially cuz I’m 5’3 and been carrying around the musket16A4 lately.
Weird that one day people will see this how we see ww2 footage
0:24 lmfao, It's actually hilarious to see a US marine handling an SA80 like an ACF cadet (who are 13-18 years old). He did the thing where he desperately tried to find the bolt release, first trying to move the bolt-latch up and down, he then tried fiddling with the literal screws holding the gun together hoping they're buttons, if the clip continues I assume he would look on the other side of the rifle and find the actual bolt catch (a black square block) and tried pushing on it, only to find it wouldn't release the bolt and then giving up and finally learning that he had to push that block downwards with his thumb to release the bolt.
That sweet muzzle discipline at the beginning is why there are way too many friendly fire incidents.
US marines trying to figure out the bullpup design and getting used to the feel. Royal marines be like "yes finally got my hands on these bad boys!". Bet the bullpup feel grew on some of those US marines over time.
They're Irish Guards
Soldiers swapping weapons: how i do dis?
Hardcore gamers: haha. Hold my doritos and dew
It's like you and the boys bringing your best toys and exchange with the boys from other schools while having a vacation.
I’m glad we line up on the same side.
The only questions asked by Americans.
“How to unlock safety?”
No way 😂 I’ve been shooting guns since I was 4 years old
We did this in the army as MPs in Afghanistan with the German forces. It was called earning our Schützenschnur badge. Its pronounced "shoots N Sneer". You qualify on their handgun,rifle and MG. Was a great time and alot of fun. One of the germans blew part of his thumb off with a frag grenade because he ducked behind the barrier and his hand was sticking out the side, shrapnel ripped it right off lol.
I really wanted to see the pure joy on that guy's face after he got to fire a browning
Accept the Brits do have browning's.
A LOT of muzzling their fellow man in this video...
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@@Ranstone oh no, oh god
They're military besides the guns were unloaded at that time. Not saying it's good but at least they ain't loaded.
I was thinking the same thing, constantly sweeping each other. But they know better than me so who am I to judge
@@spoonerman There is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
2:29
this ballet position would result me in being kicked in the shin by sergeant
I remember watching this when I was first getting into military knowledge, I was like “who’s who and who’s weapons which” and now I’m like “ah yes, Marpat and MTP, very different indeed”
Same , same here
I like how the Royal Marines were like:
Damn this is pretty nice!
Was Irish guards army not Royal Marines
These monster and beast team up again!.. deal with it..
In the 1970s we did a weapon exchange with the Americans thay all got black eyes from the recoil of the SLR lol
Hidden Enemy profusely sweating behind the hill.
To all the people bashing the L85 rifle keep in mind this the L85A3. Without a doubt the best version of the L85 rifles.
The A3 could be the best performing rifle ever made and people would still assume it sucked because of the failure of the A1.
@@cyberbird451 because for some reason even though one version sucked apparently that doesn’t mean it can get better.
@@crippledbox1162 it says a lot the British will continue to use it until 2030, if it was as bad as people say they would have scrapped it long ago..
@@cyberbird451if you get the chance you should get a few magazines through it. See how good they are.
We just not gonna talk abt how they almost shot the camera man so many times
Seeing the British soldiers grab the mags by the bottom with their palm and then slapping the bolt release makes me flinch a little.
Grabbing the side of the mag and then hitting the bolt release with your thumb is the best for speed and control of the mag imo.
I was a at this training exercise. I clicked on the video cause the mountains looked familiar. And this was on my birthday. Good times.
“Is it a British thing to shout STOPPAGE! after every shot?”
“Yes it is mate. It’s now 1200hrs you’ve got until 2300hrs to clean your weapon With half a cleaning kit before returning it to the armoury”
I heard the word "AK". You have a gorgeous GnG M4A1 Carbine right infront of you and you're talking about AK's
to be fair, the newest AK the russians came up with is slick. its like someone took the workhorse rifle AK-47 and brought it to M4 levels of refinement. different calibers for different purposes, i suppose.
This is like the more badd ass way of saying lemme borrow your instrument
Gotta love how homeboy manages to flag EVERYBODY within the first 5 seconds
What was the consensus following this then?
What’s your question?
@@MarineServices just wondering what the US men's final thoughts on the SA80 was and vice versa?
What did they make of each others weapons?