As a Japanese person, I’ve never been taught this horrifying stuff in schools. These atrocities must be remembered. Jocko and Echo, thank you both of you.
@@jonathanhunt9979I was "fortunate" enough to have a history teacher in high school who was passionate enough about history and the importance of learning from it to take the time to make sure to teach us about attrocities like this that more "mainstream" history sources don't tell us about.
It makes an American wonder what other countries learn about that we don't know about. It's just as horrific to know our officials pardoned them just for data. We still could've prosecuted. Definitely could've lied for the data but our government let that man and others involved live healthy lives after.
I wonder how you Japanese going to face Chinese or Korean after you learnt all these. These two nations seem to be growing much more powerful in mordern days.
Recovered Gamer that's cool you studied international conflicts. Most of human history is rife with repeated mistakes but with the advent of satellite technology and advanced weapons I wonder if looking back in the past is as effective as it once was previously. It's still important of course but the way war and politics has changed so much over the last two decades it's very ominous what the future holds for us. Do you ever think about this?
Aiko Natsumi I dont think there will ever be another conventional war between two "first world countries" because every country is so powerful and most have nuclear weapons. I just can't see a big country going to war, look like they are gonna lose, and not let out nukes. That's why most big countries have fought nothing but proxy wars since the 50's so they can pull away if they need without taking a loss. IF it happens it will be utterly devastating.
I was about 10 years old living in Japan when a breaking documentary about Unit 731 was released to the public. It aired on NHK (the national broadcast channel in Japan like the BBC). The documentary opened with an old footage of a vivisection on a young boy. I will never be able to forget that scene. It also talked about all the different kinds of human experiments unit 731 did along with old footage and drawings of various contraptions of evil. When I was 10 years old, I wasn't really able to comprehend it on an intellectual level but understood on an instinctual level how horrible it must have been. Even when I was that young, I knew that evil existed in the world.
I remember instances watching extremely shitcore graphics on a website called 0grish, I'm Arabic and in my country gouv didn't give a shit about the internet in earlier 2000. now I'm 30 so I was about 15y,. those were graphics about afgan and ira9 whenever I remember what I was watching at that early age I really regret.
This stuff should be taught in schools. For a while I had forgotten just how evil humans can be, but this happened less than 80 years ago. The human race hasn’t evolved hardly any since then.
The US gov't offered immunity to the members of Unit 731 in exchange for information of their experimentation. Much like how Nazi scientists who operated War factories.
The false teaching of darwinian evolution imbedded in the minds of both the Germans and Japanese that they were more human than their captors is what caused this! And to think we are teaching our children this in our schools, what horror lies ahead!
@@ozymandias7969 what,what?! Read it again it speaks for itself! When it is believed that one group of people is more evolved (more human)than another, then killing them is not a moral problem.
@@turkwelsch its classic, you dehumanize them then the ppl who actually do the killing dont think nothing of it. I wouldn't think twice about killing a rat, or cutting down a tree... but killing a person with children , a mom and dad I think id rather die.
Absolutely they were. But we need to apologize for nuking them, right? Even though we helped them rebuild their country afterwards and didn't punish their war criminals? Smh.
Jesse Japan sided with Germany because birds of a feather flock together. Two leaders on the same mental frequency are inevitably going to form an alliance, once they tune in to each other.
It is justifiable to feel that way, but it is a self-defeating attitude. Have you wondered why there has been no major wars since 1945? I don't mean proxy wars in developing nations, I mean Russia vs. England, France vs. Italy, America vs. China? It's because these massively wealthy nations are wealthy because of the people, not the resources, so invading Silicon Valley is pointless; all you get is some sandy soil and confused programmers. The reason the U.S. helped them rebuild their country afterwards was SOLELY for the purpose of maintaining strategic bases in the region. Japan isn't even allowed an army anymore, dude, only a Self-Defence Force. Their military is the American military. Japan is essentially a puppet state of U.S. political interests, but because their economy thrived in the post-war rebound period, they managed to create a hyper-developed nation that has a higher average living standard (discounting space) than the average American. The same reason America doesn't just invade North Korea. Having half a war's worth of strategic placements in the South Korean area means that America is in a good position to defend against any movements by China or Russia. We all know that America could stomp North Korea, hell, South Korea could probably stomp North Korea, but the Yanks aren't there for North Korea. You should study history more and try to understand, personally, why things played out the way they did. Some things are accidents, but most aren't. If it wasn't Hitler, it might have been Himmler as Fuhrer.
The fact that winners write the history is exemplified by how British how they whitewashed everything they did in India and other colonies. British did mow down unarmed people with machine guns and used indian soldiers like throwaway fodder.
You can’t compare reality to fiction like that though… fiction is just fiction. Of course no horror movies will ever compare to real life atrocities like Unit 731 and the Holocaust!
Incredible. And there is so little information out there about this. I grew up with whispers about Japanese torture, but the Nazi's were always the boogeymen in history. Excellent podcast. Thank you.
Zondares they become the new emperor is all. that’s honestly pretty offensive as a Korean my self. they did unspeakable things to our people and china.
"Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph." -Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia
I believe I first learned about Nanjing and 731 when I was in high school, bored and surfing the web. I don't think I've ever found anything worse or more chilling in the decade or more since, and I am still continuously fascinated, intrigued, and horrified by the sheer evil and malevolence. Like Jocko said, imagine that the woman and her baby are someone you know. But worse is, imagine that being your mom. Imagine yourself being put on the table, held down and cut open. I am the squeamish type, so getting a paper cut is already unpleasant. Going to the dentist is unpleasant, you are totally at their mercy for not hitting your gums too much with their scary looking tools... but at least the dentist is trying to help you. But now imagine that they're basically tearing you inside out, perhaps (more like most likely) with the intention of causing pain. And no one undergoing this stuff ever had experience. I'd like to think that the victims of this horror show lived a long time ago, and felt less pain than I did, or that since they grew up rough, that this experimentation stuff hut them less... but I'm totally in denial if I continued to believe that. This is the unsettling truth about humans - we are all extremely fragile bodies that don't self heal. Once you are frozen, stabbed, cut open, whatever it is - you aren't going to get any better. Now all you must face is death, and hope that it comes swiftly. After listening to this podcast, I am truly grateful that I was not born in a time and situation where I would have ended up being experimented on. To be conscious ever so briefly in the universe just to have so much pain brought upon you. Truly horrific.
My Great Uncle was captured by the Japanese, was on a hell ship, in the Bataan death march and was in prison camp in Mukden and liberated by the Russians. His account of what happened exactly mirrors what is explained in this podcast (told at 48:00 minutes in this podcast ) We have lots of his artifacts, his journal he kept during the prison camp, his mess kit.
My great uncle was on the forced Bataan death march , interred in a Japanese concentration camp as well. He came back a changed man, he never talked about what he went through . This makes me very sad that he he went through such horrors . The Filipino sneaked food to the prison camp he was at . The Filipino people were very brave.
So my best friend as a child was half filipino. His mom called me "kuya"(?) She told us about her father who fought and uncle who died fighting the Japanese. Said her dad became very upset when he talked about that situation and lived the rest of his life violent. She was a pretty strict woman but very funny. Always she wished her family would get the credit for fighting the Japanese.
I always wondered why I have never heard anyone mention this in any of the Resident Evil video essays I’ve watched. A great example is the backstory to Lisa Trevor in the RE1 remake. I wonder if the devs were directly influenced by the events of Unit 731 when it came to covering these topics in the franchise or if it was merely a consequence of cultural osmosis?
I've always played Resident Evil games, and I never made that connection to 731. I think you're right. As a side, I actually lived in China for 7 years, 5 in Beijing up north. This unit still haunts the people there. Chinese people are disgusted by the fact that this goes unacknowledged in Japanese history. The same goes for Nanjing. I traveled to Nanjing while living there, and I went to the Nanjing Massacre Memorial, which was built around a real-life excavated mass grave with skeletons and all. I saw many Japanese citizens there who had traveled to learn about it just like I did.
RecovERed GamER ya dude. I read Machete Season not long after that podcast. Reading that book on top of listening to Jordan Peterson will make you take a long look at yourself and realize what atrocities you're capable of.
Forrest Cravens I found the Rwandan genocide actually tougher to come to terms with. Just mind boggling that neighbors started hacking at each other with machetes or teachers dismembering someone that was their student the week before. I've listened to EVERY Jocko podcast and I had the hardest time with that one. There's just something extra terrifying about civil wars where people kill their own fellow citizens.
@@menwithven8114 I read about Rwanda in Amy Chua's excellent "World on Fire", and my first thought was "this is actually WORSE than Nazi Germany" in the sense that the citizens did it. There was no distant government with death camps to give the population plausible deniability; they did it themselves. 800,000 dead in 100 days. The mind boggles.
Watched Jordan Peterson talk about this and was doing more research, found you. Very sad topic, but history is history we can't just forget... this is our history
Not many people know this but after WW2 ended many of the members of Unit 731 ended up being recruited by the US to create biological weapons for the US & according to Peter Williams (who wrote a famous book on the topic) some of those individuals played a role in helping the US use biological weapons during the Korean war.
AmNotHere911 Sounds simular to operation Paperclip. American took the Nazi scientists, only to establish NASA. The CIA and Nazis elite are cut from the same cloth, in my opinion.
@@adamlew6145 Is it true that VX causes your nervous system to go haywire and you basically suffer muscle spasms so intense you basically end up like a rag doll.
There is a movie called Men Behind the Sun about Unit 731 and the dehumanization of the Chinese people under Japanese occupation, not for the squeamish as the various methods of torture on full cinematic display.
I've known about Unit 731, but to have a whole sit down and discuss this horrific episode in time was immensely staggering and captivating. Thank you Jocko for having these discussions.
I just learned you covered Unit 731. More people need to hear this story because it is unpleasant to hear. I know smart strong people avoid this topic because it stains the social soul. Thank you
3,000 is an extremely low number. Video interview from 1 surviving surgeon in his 90's is available where he states that 10 of thousands died. He himself is responsible for the death of several thousand. It is incredibly disturbing and unbelievable what these "people" did. This should never be forgotten.
Jocko's is so straight forward and prepared and respectful. Echo's is so relaxed and atmospheric. Both are the polar opposite spectrum of Gentlemen #Respect
This is why I’m going into the service. There is stuff out there that is a literal horror movie and people actual suffering. “Liberty and justice for all”.
Henry Monroe They should touch base on this again, to think all of those war criminals were protected and let go, and the philosophy they had about their work really makes me wonder about the origin of current state.
Thank you for taking the time to share the story and to be informative as always and honestly to be humanizing about it, not just pushing a single point of view.
I worked for an American colonel who survived the Bataan death March. He was way up in his 90s when the tsunami hit Japan. He cackled every time footage of that came on the news.
I was born and raised in Japan. I am a patriotic American but I also love Japan. Most Japanese people have absolutely no idea that this happened or what the details are. If they knew about it, the river of tears of shame for the actions or their countrymen would never run dry. Most Japanese honestly don’t understand why the Koreans and the Chinese have such hard feelings against them. Interestingly, some of the ones fighting and lobbying the hardest for government reparations and for a formal recognition of responsibility by the government are certain Japanese citizens. They are still working to uncover new evidence.
@@yumyumdonutsdoo6700 You do not know if his parents were from the USA or Japan. You also don't know how long he lived in Japan as compared to the States. He could of lived in Japan for the first 10 years of his life then in the USA for the next 40. I disagree strongly with your comment.
@@desireoverpain Yeah "he could have" ok? The reality is im American and even if i moved to lets say France i would still be American (how would i go around saying im French ,LMAO)20,30,40,50 years later whatever length of time. I wouldn't even consider him Japanese American because he wasn't even born here. Sure he can live here thats great and all we need diversity but hes a traitor to his country, bet he would even give us intel if he knew any (in a war situation that would be treason).
@@yumyumdonutsdoo6700 As a legal american citizen, he's reserved the right to his subjective patriotism, political labels aside; treason, traitor, irrelevant. Just do whats fuckin right. we got wittec programs, bring on the intel 😂
This needs to be common knowledge all over the world, there's no light/good without dark/evil and people need to know about the evil there is in the world past, present and future. Keep spreading these stories Jocko, the atrocities of the world need to be known and taught in more schools.
There's a shit ton of documentaries and movies about this, many you would commonly find on the History Channel before it became All Aliens All the Time
@@BradPitbull That has nothing to do with trump being ineffective leader. You having to make that comparison just proves the previous point. He has no ownership And has never led by example and blames all of his problems on someone else. Just as you have done here.
All these years, I've been familiar like everyone else with the unspeakable horrors that took place in the death camps in Europe under Nazi power. I'm almost 30 years old and first started learning about unit 731 yesterday. Just when we thought that nothing could be any worse than the Nazis, this is the worst thing I have ever heard of. This is not to minimize what the Nazis did at all; The victims of the holocaust in Europe suffered extremely brutal deaths that included being burned alive in some instances. Overall, the Nazis would still be just as bad. Although not as many people died at Unit 731, the Japanese researchers conducted various extreme, gruesome, and agonizing experiments on victims. It reminded me of those Final Destination movies if not even worse. Doing these things to animals is extremely evil. Non-humans don't ever deserve to suffer like that either.
@@BettyWhite2171 I took a peak at it and could not sit through it. It may have looked old for a movie from 1988, yet was ahead of its time when it came to depicting the most gruesome acts of violence in history.
I never knew or could have even imagined that things like this have happened. Thank you for sharing this. These things are terrible but must be known so we can be better for it in the future
well, I've been to that camp, It's now a museum, and the bio weapons they left behind all over Harbin still reeks havoc on our local population. Walking into that camp, you see bullet shaped water fountains first, then there are truly genius designs of torture devices inside their almost 50cm thick walls, after you walk through all those bone chilling photos and chambers, there are interviews of previous Japanese soldiers there, as one of them, who seems to be around 70 years old, describes his execution of Chinese civilians, who were running into the freezing snow to escape, with his car, I saw only pride on his face.
First video from Jocko and oh boy what a doozy. I think you got a subscriber for life. This lab is what I imagined hell to be like with all the inventive tourtures, what could be a worse experience? I can't imagine....
i just listened the podcast for the second time and no other episode has angered me so much , i can't believe that American government let all of this savages go free , nut only that but they allowed them high positions in various disciplines , disgusting.
I'm a victim of unit 731 my grandfather was geneticly experimented on, and me and my father have a genetic condition which drs think is directly related and caused from my grandfather's experimentation
@@CRSaltVeins their was a lot of survivors from 731, but only a very very small amount percentage based when compared to the total amount of overall victims. My grandfather was tortured and was apart of many many diff experiments but the one that caused me and my father to be born with a major genetic disorder is from when they forced groups of people to endure increasing amounts of radiation to the point of making some of them die from accute radiation sickness! very quickly after the experiment, the decreased the intensity but increased the durations of exposure so instead of short rlly intense doses they went to lower doses that they received all throughout the day which lasted the majority of the rest of his imprisonment at 731 he endured insane cumulative amounts of non lethal levels of radiation, He just like almost every else who was apart of that "experiment" got cancer! I think it was only 4? Or 6months? Or so.. after the war ended when the first cancer came, but between the wars end and his death a few yrs later from cancer he ended up having like 3-4 completely diff types of cancer over the course of those yrs! I dont mean like one spread to somewhere else I mean like he had whole diff types of cancer happen to him, which is crazy! But during the few yrs he was alone and fighting cancer he remarried and he had 5 kids and every single one had some major genetic condition or deformities, each person being born with a diff condition never the same disease showing in diff kids or twice, and all of the genetic conditions had never ran in our family history before that, and his other 6 children who were all born before the war with his first wife. Whom was also was in 731 and she actually died in 731. But before he was tortured for almost 2yrs straight while living in Hell on Earth, him, his wife and kids were all perfectly healthy, after 731 his wife, 2 of his kids with her died, 1 other kid was permanently mentally disabled from some type of lobotomy type torture they performed on her. And his other kid luckily didnt get tortured too bad my grandpa always said he thinks its because he was so young and they think he was used as some type of control group in diff "experiments" so he got rlly lucky. My grandfather entered with his wife and 4 of his kids into 731, afterwards he left 731 with only 2 kids alive with one being permanently mentally handicapped, the other being the young son that got lucky as survivors or 731. I mentioned previously he had 6 kids but luckily his oldest kid, his first born son who was a late teenager during the outbreak of ww2 when everything kicked off and rlly started getting serious he was in china and my grandfather made him stay in China with relatives and wouldnt let him return home. So he escaped the brutality of the Japanese government, but did end up needing to join the Chinese army. My grandfather is white and was living in korea with my Korean grandmother. She was raped and shit by the Japanese army and then they forced her, her kids and my grandfather into 731 after the captured her small village. But theirs so much more to it, this is just the basics off the top of my head but yea.. if u have any more questions or would like to talk over the phone some about it I'd be happy to talk with you or answer any questions you have. But short answer is, radiation exposer fucked and mutated my grandpa's dna and genetic shit in his seamen up, so when he had kids afterwards his dna was all fucked up in his seamen so when he had kids they all had defects, my dad having one which he then pasted onto me genetically. So I have a condition and I view myself as a victim of them even being alive 80yrs later. Edit: I forgot to mention their is some good that came from all the bad tho, all the data collected by exposing my grandfather and other people to radiation, the knowledge was extremely valuable and important after the Nagasaki and Hiroshima happened, all the "medical" notes they took on the prisoners was read and used to help treat survivors of the nuclear Bombs, and the relatively small group of people who were apart of that "experiment" contributed knowledge that potentially saved 1ks of lives possibly even more so.
General Douglas MacArthur deciding to grant those in Unit 731 immunity showed the United States was not as “white knight in shining armor” in the war as we may think.
ShowMeState 38 the Japanese Shinto Buddhist system has a meditation practice to "annihilate the soul" and disassociate a person from their feelings of remorse, regret, guilt, sympathy, etc.
Dan Carlin's new Hardcore History episode Supernova in the East goes perfectly with this episode and came out two days later. He covers the decisions and the environment/culture that lead to WWII Japan. Hopefully one of these day you guys will be on one another's podcast.
100% agreed. War is sometimes a cruel necessity when evil, darkness, malevolence, and demonic spirits rise to power they indeed MUST BE STOPPED. Thank you, Jocko. You know the Father circuits.
saving this podcast for later, so forgive me if it's mentioned already. the atrocities continued on past Unit 731 after one of the lieutenant generals in the unit went on after the war to create Japan's first commercial blood bank which grew to be a very large pharmaceutical company called Green Cross (basically was Japan's equivalent of Johnson & Johnson). the company knowingly, and with disregard to the known dangers, imported HIV infected blood for use in hospitals to treat hemophiliacs which caused the AIDS crisis in Japan in the late 1980's/early 90's and killed around 3,000 people. Masao Miyamoto wrote a great article about it called, "Mental Castration, the HIV Scandal, and the Japanese Bureaucracy".
I've always been fascinated by 731. It's concerning how many people still have no idea about it, and I try to learn all that I can on the subject so that I may try to understand it on some level. But the more that I learn, the more that I see, it doesn't make it make any more sense. It's intense psychopathy and sociopathy all the way down, under the flimsiest of reasoning. And to think of how many other events of similar brutality that have happened, still happen, will happen... it's beyond horrifying.
That's the way the mind works. Anything you can imagine, the worst possible things, have already been done. There's no rational thought behind it, it's pure selfishness and disconnection from reality. The ultimate display of us vs. them. We are special beings living under the emperor, they are just sacks of meat. No different from the Nazis or religious extremists. Separation between you and me, not being able to recognize others as equals. Selfishness or self-centered activity is the most common mental illness of humanity.
Those civilians would have become hostiles as soon as conventional forces landed on their shores, and they would all be killed anyways. Atomic bombs saved more lives than sending Marines and soldiers would have. Imperial Japan was a borderline religion which all of its inhabitants were willing to die for. Use of the atomic bomb was an act of mercy. Oh, and we helped them rebuild their country after the war. Not the case with Germany, who rebuilt themselves. I don't here any apologies heading Germany's way for leveling Dresden and Hannover along with several other major cities where several civilians were also killed. Do they deserve an apology?
shugo104 I won't speak for Jocko, but I think he does express his opinions on it at 1:03:25. Regardless of what his opinions are on this matter, I don't believe it would really change mine on the matter. I understand your reasoning as far as not becoming blind with hatred for your enemy. I still don't see where the apology part comes in though. They needed to be stopped, they were stopped, end of story. I don't feel sorry for that, nor do I feel that America needs to apologize for that, especially after helping them rebuild. I do respect your consistency in your reasoning though, although I don't entirely agree with it. And your civility.
Forrest Cravens Aha I can see sides flipping in a different world and the Japanese use the excuse that we are too patriotic and would fight to the last civilian so they had to nuke places like New York & San Diego. Quit bullshitting. After we nuked the civilians, we did a thousand bomb grand finale that the generals planned to celebrate their surrender. While peace pamphlets fell on Tokyo. So did fucking bombs. Quit bullshitting dude I see through you
Forrest Cravens Oh yes “helping them rebuild” like establishing military bases on their island and guaranteeing they never have another standing army to defend themselves ever again. Oh yeah big fucking help dude
ROKMC Rec. And even more Japanese. Both by our weapons and their own due to suicide as a result of their failures to defend their homeland. It was the samurai way.
The scariest part IMO about Unit 731 - is that some of the results are still used by the Medical profession. That such inhuman torture could have a practical application in saving lives - that line of logic is truly terrifying
I can’t stop listening to this. I’m always curious about this sort of stuff. It’s haunting to hear about what humans are capable of but I can’t stop being intrigued and wanna hear about it
IT astounds me the evil Man is capable of doing when desperate and following orders , this podcast really taught me a lot, and it shows that history is the greatest teacher of all and if we need it's warnings we can avoid the path of darkness and atrocity. Thank you again Jocko , the podcasts just keep getting better
You should do a podcast on the gulags in the soviet union. Also include what the kgb and stalin did to his own people. Kgb interrogation techniques were insane. Use the book gulag archipelago and do it similar to this podcasts.
Probably the Americans who know we made a deal with these torturers and know that any mention of Unit 731 will place focus on that deal. Terms of the deal. Give us your research and you wont be charged for war crimes. Keep in mind Japan also used POWs for some of these "studies". I'd have to imagine some of those may have been Americans...
Yeah I totally did the same when watched documentaries about this back when I was like 12, suitably horrifying myself. Thankfully I didn't traumatize myself
Theres a lot of blurred lines when it comes to evil in our everyday society. But this kind of stuff is just evil no matter what side you're on. If youre ever in a position to make these mistakes, this is the kind of stuff that haunts you til the end.
Part of me is glad Ishi died from cancer, that he too felt disease slowly spread through his body. The other part of me shudders to think, a small part of the sadistic evil which possessed him has likewise touched me.
As a Japanese person, I’ve never been taught this horrifying stuff in schools. These atrocities must be remembered. Jocko and Echo, thank you both of you.
As an American, I was never taught this either.
@@jonathanhunt9979I was "fortunate" enough to have a history teacher in high school who was passionate enough about history and the importance of learning from it to take the time to make sure to teach us about attrocities like this that more "mainstream" history sources don't tell us about.
It makes an American wonder what other countries learn about that we don't know about. It's just as horrific to know our officials pardoned them just for data. We still could've prosecuted. Definitely could've lied for the data but our government let that man and others involved live healthy lives after.
你才是真正为日本着想的人，和那些极右分子不一样
I wonder how you Japanese going to face Chinese or Korean after you learnt all these. These two nations seem to be growing much more powerful in mordern days.
The sighs Jocko makes between the horrific parts just amplifies it so much.
Sw1ftshade Amen.
Cheeeeeeck
They are fake and dramatic
@@brandijohnson9094this guy has seen some disgusting things im sure some of these things bring back memories of smells of these things.
The world is ignorant to Japanese war crimes during the world wars. We south koreans will never forget.
ROKMC Rec. As an American I always wondered why North Koreans hate the U.S. so much. We helped get those crazy ass Japanese out of there.
Yes but the North Koreans also hate the japanese. Its just that their threats against japan dont get broadcasted.
ROKMC Rec. The world really is, unfortunately :(
Recovered Gamer that's cool you studied international conflicts. Most of human history is rife with repeated mistakes but with the advent of satellite technology and advanced weapons I wonder if looking back in the past is as effective as it once was previously. It's still important of course but the way war and politics has changed so much over the last two decades it's very ominous what the future holds for us. Do you ever think about this?
Aiko Natsumi I dont think there will ever be another conventional war between two "first world countries" because every country is so powerful and most have nuclear weapons. I just can't see a big country going to war, look like they are gonna lose, and not let out nukes. That's why most big countries have fought nothing but proxy wars since the 50's so they can pull away if they need without taking a loss. IF it happens it will be utterly devastating.
1) these stories are definitely worse than horror movies
2) I appreciate how sharp and concise Jockos wording/pronunciation is.
I was about 10 years old living in Japan when a breaking documentary about Unit 731 was released to the public. It aired on NHK (the national broadcast channel in Japan like the BBC). The documentary opened with an old footage of a vivisection on a young boy. I will never be able to forget that scene. It also talked about all the different kinds of human experiments unit 731 did along with old footage and drawings of various contraptions of evil. When I was 10 years old, I wasn't really able to comprehend it on an intellectual level but understood on an instinctual level how horrible it must have been. Even when I was that young, I knew that evil existed in the world.
It heartens me that there was once a time when Japanese people could turn on the tv and become educated as to the gross evils of their fathers.
I remember instances watching extremely shitcore graphics on a website called 0grish, I'm Arabic and in my country gouv didn't give a shit about the internet in earlier 2000. now I'm 30 so I was about 15y,. those were graphics about afgan and ira9 whenever I remember what I was watching at that early age I really regret.
Today I learned that when jocko says its gonna get dark he really means it
When Jocko says anything, he really means it.
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Yeah when a seal says shits bad, then it's bad for them and incomprehensible for everyone else.
Yeah 5 minutes in and I’m not turning it off. I got a feeling I might should
Never forget.
One reason for our generation to sit and listen to our vets.
Some telling insight.
James Meehan did you see how Joe Biden treated those vets that questioned him?
This stuff should be taught in schools. For a while I had forgotten just how evil humans can be, but this happened less than 80 years ago. The human race hasn’t evolved hardly any since then.
The US gov't offered immunity to the members of Unit 731 in exchange for information of their experimentation. Much like how Nazi scientists who operated War factories.
The false teaching of darwinian evolution imbedded in the minds of both the Germans and Japanese that they were more human than their captors is what caused this!
And to think we are teaching our children this in our schools, what horror lies ahead!
@@ozymandias7969 what,what?!
Read it again it speaks for itself!
When it is believed that one group of people is more evolved (more human)than another, then killing them is not a moral problem.
@@turkwelsch its classic, you dehumanize them then the ppl who actually do the killing dont think nothing of it. I wouldn't think twice about killing a rat, or cutting down a tree... but killing a person with children , a mom and dad I think id rather die.
@@CoHigh unless it's one of the unit 731. I'd kill them, their families and their entire bloodline if I had to.
The parts about vivisection made me a bit queesy, not gonna lie. The Nazis get all the attention, but Imperial Japan was comparably evil.
Or argubly worse. But in the end, nothing beats the communists...
Absolutely they were. But we need to apologize for nuking them, right? Even though we helped them rebuild their country afterwards and didn't punish their war criminals? Smh.
Jesse Japan sided with Germany because birds of a feather flock together. Two leaders on the same mental frequency are inevitably going to form an alliance, once they tune in to each other.
It is justifiable to feel that way, but it is a self-defeating attitude. Have you wondered why there has been no major wars since 1945? I don't mean proxy wars in developing nations, I mean Russia vs. England, France vs. Italy, America vs. China? It's because these massively wealthy nations are wealthy because of the people, not the resources, so invading Silicon Valley is pointless; all you get is some sandy soil and confused programmers.
The reason the U.S. helped them rebuild their country afterwards was SOLELY for the purpose of maintaining strategic bases in the region. Japan isn't even allowed an army anymore, dude, only a Self-Defence Force. Their military is the American military. Japan is essentially a puppet state of U.S. political interests, but because their economy thrived in the post-war rebound period, they managed to create a hyper-developed nation that has a higher average living standard (discounting space) than the average American.
The same reason America doesn't just invade North Korea. Having half a war's worth of strategic placements in the South Korean area means that America is in a good position to defend against any movements by China or Russia. We all know that America could stomp North Korea, hell, South Korea could probably stomp North Korea, but the Yanks aren't there for North Korea.
You should study history more and try to understand, personally, why things played out the way they did. Some things are accidents, but most aren't. If it wasn't Hitler, it might have been Himmler as Fuhrer.
That was @Forrest Cravens
This podcast has no fear to talk about the harsh topics and the history nobody wants to talk about. #standbytogetsome
ARIES nice. Thanks, I couldn't come up with the words.
We were taught this in history class several years in a row and then again when you have to get the obligatory US history class in highschool
The fact that winners write the history is exemplified by how British how they whitewashed everything they did in India and other colonies. British did mow down unarmed people with machine guns and used indian soldiers like throwaway fodder.
EXCEPT American war crimes ofc xD
@@st1llfr338 they cover some of that as well.
Horror movies do not compare to the kinds of experiments done by Imperial Japan.
don't forget the rape of naking...
You can’t compare reality to fiction like that though… fiction is just fiction. Of course no horror movies will ever compare to real life atrocities like Unit 731 and the Holocaust!
Incredible. And there is so little information out there about this. I grew up with whispers about Japanese torture, but the Nazi's were always the boogeymen in history. Excellent podcast. Thank you.
only cause the nazis had more men power and invaded more...japan did more damage invading less than any other country...
Nathanial The Japanese liberated South East Asia from its colonial overlords of the West.
Because it's only politically correct to hate whites and talk about their faults.
@@razkable What Japan did to Asia was more terrible than the Nazis.
Zondares they become the new emperor is all. that’s honestly pretty offensive as a Korean my self. they did unspeakable things to our people and china.
I'm Chinese, this is the scar that is burned into every one of us, my blood boils, there are no words.
You don't need Fiction novels. Real life is crazy enough.
Thank you, Jocko. We salute you from China.
Frank79811 Exactly! Never forget!
Stop running concentration camps and political prisons. I thought UA-cam was banned in your country
@@neozeonsolid cough cough *southern boarder camps* cough cough
Lmao, you communist helped the Japanese, and when you found the chance, you guys back stabbed the nationalist who are known as taiwan .
@@jacob-mz9cv Not even comparable.
Maybe it's fucked up but these dark podcasts are always some of the best. We all need to realize how horrifying normal people are capable of becoming.
Check out the book Ordinary Men, about SS officers
"Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
-Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia
Des Gardius 2012 exactly
I believe I first learned about Nanjing and 731 when I was in high school, bored and surfing the web. I don't think I've ever found anything worse or more chilling in the decade or more since, and I am still continuously fascinated, intrigued, and horrified by the sheer evil and malevolence.
Like Jocko said, imagine that the woman and her baby are someone you know. But worse is, imagine that being your mom. Imagine yourself being put on the table, held down and cut open. I am the squeamish type, so getting a paper cut is already unpleasant. Going to the dentist is unpleasant, you are totally at their mercy for not hitting your gums too much with their scary looking tools... but at least the dentist is trying to help you. But now imagine that they're basically tearing you inside out, perhaps (more like most likely) with the intention of causing pain. And no one undergoing this stuff ever had experience. I'd like to think that the victims of this horror show lived a long time ago, and felt less pain than I did, or that since they grew up rough, that this experimentation stuff hut them less... but I'm totally in denial if I continued to believe that.
This is the unsettling truth about humans - we are all extremely fragile bodies that don't self heal. Once you are frozen, stabbed, cut open, whatever it is - you aren't going to get any better. Now all you must face is death, and hope that it comes swiftly. After listening to this podcast, I am truly grateful that I was not born in a time and situation where I would have ended up being experimented on. To be conscious ever so briefly in the universe just to have so much pain brought upon you. Truly horrific.
My Great Uncle was captured by the Japanese, was on a hell ship, in the Bataan death march and was in prison camp in Mukden and liberated by the Russians. His account of what happened exactly mirrors what is explained in this podcast (told at 48:00 minutes in this podcast ) We have lots of his artifacts, his journal he kept during the prison camp, his mess kit.
My great uncle was on the forced Bataan death march , interred in a Japanese concentration camp as well.
He came back a changed man, he never talked about what he went through .
This makes me very sad that he he went through such horrors . The Filipino sneaked food to the prison camp he was at . The Filipino people were very brave.
So my best friend as a child was half filipino. His mom called me "kuya"(?) She told us about her father who fought and uncle who died fighting the Japanese. Said her dad became very upset when he talked about that situation and lived the rest of his life violent. She was a pretty strict woman but very funny. Always she wished her family would get the credit for fighting the Japanese.
Resident evil was definitely inspired by this. The umbrella even looks like the Japanese imperial symbol
I always wondered why I have never heard anyone mention this in any of the Resident Evil video essays I’ve watched. A great example is the backstory to Lisa Trevor in the RE1 remake. I wonder if the devs were directly influenced by the events of Unit 731 when it came to covering these topics in the franchise or if it was merely a consequence of cultural osmosis?
I've always played Resident Evil games, and I never made that connection to 731. I think you're right.
As a side, I actually lived in China for 7 years, 5 in Beijing up north. This unit still haunts the people there. Chinese people are disgusted by the fact that this goes unacknowledged in Japanese history.
The same goes for Nanjing. I traveled to Nanjing while living there, and I went to the Nanjing Massacre Memorial, which was built around a real-life excavated mass grave with skeletons and all. I saw many Japanese citizens there who had traveled to learn about it just like I did.
This podcast and #16 about the Rwandan genocide are definitely the two hardest I've heard.
RecovERed GamER ya dude. I read Machete Season not long after that podcast. Reading that book on top of listening to Jordan Peterson will make you take a long look at yourself and realize what atrocities you're capable of.
Forrest Cravens I found the Rwandan genocide actually tougher to come to terms with. Just mind boggling that neighbors started hacking at each other with machetes or teachers dismembering someone that was their student the week before. I've listened to EVERY Jocko podcast and I had the hardest time with that one. There's just something extra terrifying about civil wars where people kill their own fellow citizens.
RecovERed GamER ditto.
@@menwithven8114 I read about Rwanda in Amy Chua's excellent "World on Fire", and my first thought was "this is actually WORSE than Nazi Germany" in the sense that the citizens did it. There was no distant government with death camps to give the population plausible deniability; they did it themselves. 800,000 dead in 100 days. The mind boggles.
I'm still using this podcast to educate my family over a year later, thank you Jocko.
I love how he went straight into it right away. Jocko is a real one 💯
Watched Jordan Peterson talk about this and was doing more research, found you. Very sad topic, but history is history we can't just forget... this is our history
Jordan Peterson brought me here as well. He just mentioned it in his “butchers and liars” video. Very impactful video
Man Jocko, keep the book reads coming, this is your most immersive yet. I love all your videos but I really keep coming back for the book reads.
Not many people know this but after WW2 ended many of the members of Unit 731 ended up being recruited by the US to create biological weapons for the US & according to Peter Williams (who wrote a famous book on the topic) some of those individuals played a role in helping the US use biological weapons during the Korean war.
AmNotHere911 Sounds simular to operation Paperclip. American took the Nazi scientists, only to establish NASA. The CIA and Nazis elite are cut from the same cloth, in my opinion.
Strangely, I feel calmer and better after these kind of dark podcasts. Jocko's strength gives courage.
The sad thing is I've seen (most likely Japanese from their english) people defend imperial Japan denying that they did anything
It's just like the Armenian genocide
Not The CIA, your dead on. We always make the US the bad guys for some reason. Maybe, our education system has more motive behind the criculam. 😶
C C we Are bad. Look at what we are doing to Jullian and Bradley. They are taking the brunt of the crimes they exposed.
america defends japan and nazis because they helped us ...we are just as gross...
@@razkable when did the nazis and japanese help us exactly?
As a biochemist biochemical warfare freaks me out more than any other kind of war
I’m terrified of Sarin gas. What a demonic chemical
I was a 74 delta (CBRN Specialist) in the Army. They put us in full MOPP gear in a room with two kinds of nerve agent one of them being VX.
@@adamlew6145 Is it true that VX causes your nervous system to go haywire and you basically suffer muscle spasms so intense you basically end up like a rag doll.
There is a movie called Men Behind the Sun about Unit 731 and the dehumanization of the Chinese people under Japanese occupation, not for the squeamish as the various methods of torture on full cinematic display.
seraphx26 parts of the movie are on UA-cam...if you can stomach it
Shawn Brodrick burley. I'm in.
seraphx26 that cat scene still haunts me
Is it a movie or a documentary?
da gawd movie
I've known about Unit 731, but to have a whole sit down and discuss this horrific episode in time was immensely staggering and captivating. Thank you Jocko for having these discussions.
I just learned you covered Unit 731. More people need to hear this story because it is unpleasant to hear. I know smart strong people avoid this topic because it stains the social soul. Thank you
History is history, there's no other way to tell it. Great podcast as always!
Truthfully
Always listened to jre at work, untill I discovered this gem thanks brother very informative and factual. Good work man
Damn, thank you for sharing this. I had no idea it even existed. Best podcast ever.
3,000 is an extremely low number. Video interview from 1 surviving surgeon in his 90's is available where he states that 10 of thousands died. He himself is responsible for the death of several thousand.
It is incredibly disturbing and unbelievable what these "people" did. This should never be forgotten.
Don’t normally reference Wikipedia, but it indicates nearly half a million victims in total throughout the course of the war.
When Echo said “good evening” I really felt that
Jocko's is so straight forward and prepared and respectful. Echo's is so relaxed and atmospheric.
Both are the polar opposite spectrum of Gentlemen #Respect
This is why I’m going into the service. There is stuff out there that is a literal horror movie and people actual suffering. “Liberty and justice for all”.
My my how interesting- whose here in April 2020?
Just started listening today. May 4th.
Henry Monroe They should touch base on this again, to think all of those war criminals were protected and let go, and the philosophy they had about their work really makes me wonder about the origin of current state.
@@AKStorm49 right on man!
@@LadyMinju greetings from the past 😂
@@GatorDave I completely agree my friend. I also wonder how much of this is still practiced today
Thank you for taking the time to share the story and to be informative as always and honestly to be humanizing about it, not just pushing a single point of view.
The blacker the darkness the brighter the light that overcomes that darkness seems.
I worked for an American colonel who survived the Bataan death March. He was way up in his 90s when the tsunami hit Japan. He cackled every time footage of that came on the news.
Thanks guys for putting this information out into the public realm. Most are not aware of it.
I was born and raised in Japan. I am a patriotic American but I also love Japan. Most Japanese people have absolutely no idea that this happened or what the details are. If they knew about it, the river of tears of shame for the actions or their countrymen would never run dry. Most Japanese honestly don’t understand why the Koreans and the Chinese have such hard feelings against them.
Interestingly, some of the ones fighting and lobbying the hardest for government reparations and for a formal recognition of responsibility by the government are certain Japanese citizens. They are still working to uncover new evidence.
your not American like i will never be Japanese!!!!
@@yumyumdonutsdoo6700 You do not know if his parents were from the USA or Japan. You also don't know how long he lived in Japan as compared to the States. He could of lived in Japan for the first 10 years of his life then in the USA for the next 40. I disagree strongly with your comment.
@@desireoverpain Yeah "he could have" ok? The reality is im American and even if i moved to lets say France i would still be American (how would i go around saying im French ,LMAO)20,30,40,50 years later whatever length of time. I wouldn't even consider him Japanese American because he wasn't even born here. Sure he can live here thats great and all we need diversity but hes a traitor to his country, bet he would even give us intel if he knew any (in a war situation that would be treason).
@@yumyumdonutsdoo6700 As a legal american citizen, he's reserved the right to his subjective patriotism, political labels aside; treason, traitor, irrelevant. Just do whats fuckin right. we got wittec programs, bring on the intel 😂
Yumyumdonuts Doo your ignorance will keep you where you are !
Joe Rogan got me here....and am glad🙏
This needs to be common knowledge all over the world, there's no light/good without dark/evil and people need to know about the evil there is in the world past, present and future.
Keep spreading these stories Jocko, the atrocities of the world need to be known and taught in more schools.
There's a shit ton of documentaries and movies about this, many you would commonly find on the History Channel before it became All Aliens All the Time
What a great show. Thank You again, Sir. It’s like a book review only better and more entertaining and informative.
We briefly went over this in Army CBRN AIT. I was shocked and it still send chills down my spine.
THE JOCKO PODCAST MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
THANK U GUYS!!!
RecovERed GamER
good to know u can read jockos mind
can i have tonites lottery numbers please
since u know whats goin on
thank u
Jason Bluha
yolo
Trump is the absolute oppositie of a strong leader by jockos standards. No ownership, no leading by example. All shifting blame.
@@BradPitbull That has nothing to do with trump being ineffective leader. You having to make that comparison just proves the previous point. He has no ownership And has never led by example and blames all of his problems on someone else. Just as you have done here.
@@josephsiko6731 fucking right.
My grandpa and his brothers fought in Burma glad that they were never caught by the Japanese
All these years, I've been familiar like everyone else with the unspeakable horrors that took place in the death camps in Europe under Nazi power. I'm almost 30 years old and first started learning about unit 731 yesterday. Just when we thought that nothing could be any worse than the Nazis, this is the worst thing I have ever heard of. This is not to minimize what the Nazis did at all; The victims of the holocaust in Europe suffered extremely brutal deaths that included being burned alive in some instances. Overall, the Nazis would still be just as bad. Although not as many people died at Unit 731, the Japanese researchers conducted various extreme, gruesome, and agonizing experiments on victims. It reminded me of those Final Destination movies if not even worse. Doing these things to animals is extremely evil. Non-humans don't ever deserve to suffer like that either.
Did you watch the movie about this? It's called Men behind the sun, if you're interested.
@@BettyWhite2171 I took a peak at it and could not sit through it. It may have looked old for a movie from 1988, yet was ahead of its time when it came to depicting the most gruesome acts of violence in history.
why is this not taught to children at school? Like Jocko said, if we do not remember or learn from history we are doomed to it being repeated
I never knew or could have even imagined that things like this have happened. Thank you for sharing this. These things are terrible but must be known so we can be better for it in the future
well, I've been to that camp, It's now a museum, and the bio weapons they left behind all over Harbin still reeks havoc on our local population. Walking into that camp, you see bullet shaped water fountains first, then there are truly genius designs of torture devices inside their almost 50cm thick walls, after you walk through all those bone chilling photos and chambers, there are interviews of previous Japanese soldiers there, as one of them, who seems to be around 70 years old, describes his execution of Chinese civilians, who were running into the freezing snow to escape, with his car, I saw only pride on his face.
Vincent Du like the pride of those kids at Guantanamo? Remember the leaked pictures?
By the 47 minute mark, I'm without words. I am just shocked. This has us all reeling and sick to our stomachs.
First video from Jocko and oh boy what a doozy. I think you got a subscriber for life. This lab is what I imagined hell to be like with all the inventive tourtures, what could be a worse experience? I can't imagine....
I searched this out. Out of interest. Curiosity. I'm glad to find Jocko had a show on it
I'm gonna have to buy this book now.
The way Jacko is holding his knife 🔪 and complaining how echo didn't get him more trucker hats at 2:05:20 😂
i just listened the podcast for the second time and no other episode has angered me so much , i can't believe that American government let all of this savages go free , nut only that but they allowed them high positions in various disciplines , disgusting.
I can’t wait till people educate themselves and watch this
Wow, this needs more attention than it gets
Excellent podcast gentlemen, very dark, but it should not be forgotten.
Tough one to listen to, but completely understand why it is important. Thanks Jocko/Echo!!
I'm a victim of unit 731 my grandfather was geneticly experimented on, and me and my father have a genetic condition which drs think is directly related and caused from my grandfather's experimentation
I am so, truly sorry... Heartbreaking x
Would you care to elaborate ? I’m curious because what is told is that nobody survived unit 731
@@CRSaltVeins their was a lot of survivors from 731, but only a very very small amount percentage based when compared to the total amount of overall victims. My grandfather was tortured and was apart of many many diff experiments but the one that caused me and my father to be born with a major genetic disorder is from when they forced groups of people to endure increasing amounts of radiation to the point of making some of them die from accute radiation sickness!
very quickly after the experiment, the decreased the intensity but increased the durations of exposure so instead of short rlly intense doses they went to lower doses that they received all throughout the day which lasted the majority of the rest of his imprisonment at 731 he endured insane cumulative amounts of non lethal levels of radiation, He just like almost every else who was apart of that "experiment" got cancer! I think it was only 4? Or 6months? Or so.. after the war ended when the first cancer came, but between the wars end and his death a few yrs later from cancer he ended up having like 3-4 completely diff types of cancer over the course of those yrs!
I dont mean like one spread to somewhere else I mean like he had whole diff types of cancer happen to him, which is crazy! But during the few yrs he was alone and fighting cancer he remarried and he had 5 kids and every single one had some major genetic condition or deformities, each person being born with a diff condition never the same disease showing in diff kids or twice, and all of the genetic conditions had never ran in our family history before that, and his other 6 children who were all born before the war with his first wife.
Whom was also was in 731 and she actually died in 731. But before he was tortured for almost 2yrs straight while living in Hell on Earth, him, his wife and kids were all perfectly healthy, after 731 his wife, 2 of his kids with her died, 1 other kid was permanently mentally disabled from some type of lobotomy type torture they performed on her. And his other kid luckily didnt get tortured too bad my grandpa always said he thinks its because he was so young and they think he was used as some type of control group in diff "experiments" so he got rlly lucky.
My grandfather entered with his wife and 4 of his kids into 731, afterwards he left 731 with only 2 kids alive with one being permanently mentally handicapped, the other being the young son that got lucky as survivors or 731. I mentioned previously he had 6 kids but luckily his oldest kid, his first born son who was a late teenager during the outbreak of ww2 when everything kicked off and rlly started getting serious he was in china and my grandfather made him stay in China with relatives and wouldnt let him return home. So he escaped the brutality of the Japanese government, but did end up needing to join the Chinese army. My grandfather is white and was living in korea with my Korean grandmother.
She was raped and shit by the Japanese army and then they forced her, her kids and my grandfather into 731 after the captured her small village. But theirs so much more to it, this is just the basics off the top of my head but yea.. if u have any more questions or would like to talk over the phone some about it I'd be happy to talk with you or answer any questions you have.
But short answer is, radiation exposer fucked and mutated my grandpa's dna and genetic shit in his seamen up, so when he had kids afterwards his dna was all fucked up in his seamen so when he had kids they all had defects, my dad having one which he then pasted onto me genetically. So I have a condition and I view myself as a victim of them even being alive 80yrs later.
Edit: I forgot to mention their is some good that came from all the bad tho, all the data collected by exposing my grandfather and other people to radiation, the knowledge was extremely valuable and important after the Nagasaki and Hiroshima happened, all the "medical" notes they took on the prisoners was read and used to help treat survivors of the nuclear Bombs, and the relatively small group of people who were apart of that "experiment" contributed knowledge that potentially saved 1ks of lives possibly even more so.
We shall never forget.... thank you Jocko Willink for bringing the darkness to light
General Douglas MacArthur deciding to grant those in Unit 731 immunity showed the United States was not as “white knight in shining armor” in the war as we may think.
These people were ruthless! I don't understand how people can have such disregard towards another human being.
by not considering them human beings
ungface Makes sense. Just don't get why people like Ishi gotta be assholes
lmaooo
He wanted to win AT ALL COST
ShowMeState 38 the Japanese Shinto Buddhist system has a meditation practice to "annihilate the soul" and disassociate a person from their feelings of remorse, regret, guilt, sympathy, etc.
Dan Carlin's new Hardcore History episode Supernova in the East goes perfectly with this episode and came out two days later. He covers the decisions and the environment/culture that lead to WWII Japan. Hopefully one of these day you guys will be on one another's podcast.
100% agreed. War is sometimes a cruel necessity when evil, darkness, malevolence, and demonic spirits rise to power they indeed MUST BE STOPPED. Thank you, Jocko. You know the Father circuits.
1:40:40 Probably the best speech Ive ever heard jocko say.
saving this podcast for later, so forgive me if it's mentioned already. the atrocities continued on past Unit 731 after one of the lieutenant generals in the unit went on after the war to create Japan's first commercial blood bank which grew to be a very large pharmaceutical company called Green Cross (basically was Japan's equivalent of Johnson & Johnson). the company knowingly, and with disregard to the known dangers, imported HIV infected blood for use in hospitals to treat hemophiliacs which caused the AIDS crisis in Japan in the late 1980's/early 90's and killed around 3,000 people. Masao Miyamoto wrote a great article about it called, "Mental Castration, the HIV Scandal, and the Japanese Bureaucracy".
I've always been fascinated by 731. It's concerning how many people still have no idea about it, and I try to learn all that I can on the subject so that I may try to understand it on some level. But the more that I learn, the more that I see, it doesn't make it make any more sense. It's intense psychopathy and sociopathy all the way down, under the flimsiest of reasoning. And to think of how many other events of similar brutality that have happened, still happen, will happen... it's beyond horrifying.
That's the way the mind works. Anything you can imagine, the worst possible things, have already been done. There's no rational thought behind it, it's pure selfishness and disconnection from reality. The ultimate display of us vs. them. We are special beings living under the emperor, they are just sacks of meat. No different from the Nazis or religious extremists. Separation between you and me, not being able to recognize others as equals. Selfishness or self-centered activity is the most common mental illness of humanity.
We must remember the horrors of the past least we repeat the mistakes again in the present or in our future.....
"Ne Oblie" NEVER FORGET......
Those who feel the need to apologize for microwaving the Japanese twice at the end of the war need to listen to this.
Those civilians would have become hostiles as soon as conventional forces landed on their shores, and they would all be killed anyways. Atomic bombs saved more lives than sending Marines and soldiers would have. Imperial Japan was a borderline religion which all of its inhabitants were willing to die for. Use of the atomic bomb was an act of mercy.
Oh, and we helped them rebuild their country after the war. Not the case with Germany, who rebuilt themselves. I don't here any apologies heading Germany's way for leveling Dresden and Hannover along with several other major cities where several civilians were also killed. Do they deserve an apology?
shugo104 I won't speak for Jocko, but I think he does express his opinions on it at 1:03:25. Regardless of what his opinions are on this matter, I don't believe it would really change mine on the matter.
I understand your reasoning as far as not becoming blind with hatred for your enemy. I still don't see where the apology part comes in though. They needed to be stopped, they were stopped, end of story. I don't feel sorry for that, nor do I feel that America needs to apologize for that, especially after helping them rebuild.
I do respect your consistency in your reasoning though, although I don't entirely agree with it. And your civility.
Forrest Cravens
Aha I can see sides flipping in a different world and the Japanese use the excuse that we are too patriotic and would fight to the last civilian so they had to nuke places like New York & San Diego. Quit bullshitting. After we nuked the civilians, we did a thousand bomb grand finale that the generals planned to celebrate their surrender. While peace pamphlets fell on Tokyo. So did fucking bombs. Quit bullshitting dude I see through you
Forrest Cravens
Oh yes “helping them rebuild” like establishing military bases on their island and guaranteeing they never have another standing army to defend themselves ever again. Oh yeah big fucking help dude
ROKMC Rec. And even more Japanese. Both by our weapons and their own due to suicide as a result of their failures to defend their homeland. It was the samurai way.
Should've given Ishii a verbal assurance but then offed him anyways once they got the intel.
@@CavingIn2022 True
this video and podcast is criminally underrated
The scariest part IMO about Unit 731 - is that some of the results are still used by the Medical profession. That such inhuman torture could have a practical application in saving lives - that line of logic is truly terrifying
Yeah that testing really gave us insight on how to treat a lot of things...
I can’t stop listening to this. I’m always curious about this sort of stuff. It’s haunting to hear about what humans are capable of but I can’t stop being intrigued and wanna hear about it
Well done. This is appreciated. So hard to hear but it truly is necessary to know what our own are capable of and have done. Thank Jocko and Charles..
Thank you very much!
IT astounds me the evil Man is capable of doing when desperate and following orders , this podcast really taught me a lot, and it shows that history is the greatest teacher of all and if we need it's warnings we can avoid the path of darkness and atrocity. Thank you again Jocko , the podcasts just keep getting better
You should do a podcast on the gulags in the soviet union. Also include what the kgb and stalin did to his own people. Kgb interrogation techniques were insane. Use the book gulag archipelago and do it similar to this podcasts.
I’m surprised I didn’t learn about Unit-731 In school 🏫 only online
Can’t find a new copy of the book. Only used and they are around $50 us
Who disliked this? Japanese Emperials?
japanese people
Maestro could be Any Emperial.
Probably the Americans who know we made a deal with these torturers and know that any mention of Unit 731 will place focus on that deal.
Terms of the deal. Give us your research and you wont be charged for war crimes.
Keep in mind Japan also used POWs for some of these "studies". I'd have to imagine some of those may have been Americans...
@@bigchedds8389 sure man wow!!!
@@hongobongo8069 Is that so? And you speak on behalf of all Japanese people huh?
First time listening. Crazy how relevant this is to corona and its origins.
I read about this stuff when I was 14 years old on Wikipedia. It still traumatizes me up to this day.
Yeah I totally did the same when watched documentaries about this back when I was like 12, suitably horrifying myself. Thankfully I didn't traumatize myself
It's one of the oldest tactics glad everyone paying in attention salute
This was nuts need more of this so good and educational to know
Man, this is about the 6th time I've seen you. I dig it, EVERY TIME 💚 I bet I see you a lot more.
This one was rough. I remember reading the Raping of Nanking, and now listening to this,......this is just horrifying.
Jocko has an episode on Nanking. It's brutal to listen to, but they had to live it :c
When moral absolutes are rejected, science becomes its own ethic and these things are allowed to happen
Theres a lot of blurred lines when it comes to evil in our everyday society. But this kind of stuff is just evil no matter what side you're on. If youre ever in a position to make these mistakes, this is the kind of stuff that haunts you til the end.
Only if our schools taught us or mentioned this in the history books
Japan: horrific nightmarish torture
Also Japan: anime! sushi! (◕ᴗ◕✿)
There are things much worse than war, and it's very necessary for people to realize that kind of evil is still living within people nowadays.
Part of me is glad Ishi died from cancer, that he too felt disease slowly spread through his body. The other part of me shudders to think, a small part of the sadistic evil which possessed him has likewise touched me.
Throat cancer was too good for him !
4 years later.....its still soo dark and depressing, as a veteran from the civil war in the former jugoslavia, the evil men will do knows no limit.
Echo: "There's this movie..."
Jocko: