Actually the thought of having a multi-quadrithousandstrillion dollars company saving a few bucks on a new avatar body by getting the guy's brother was the most realistic part of the movie for me
It had never occurred to me that Eywa might not be this benevolent planetary consciousness who loves all things and decided to embrace Jake when none of the other Navi would because he has a 'good heart' or some trite shit. I really like the idea you alluded to that Eywa only protected Jake because he was this oblivious clown who could be manipulated to turn against his own people. Means Eywa goes from spirit of the forest to scheming neural network bent on survival at any cost.
I love that theory actually. Jake is a bit of an idiot, he meets aliens at a new planet and behaves like an everyday American, of course the spirit God is gonna think he's a moron and so did Neytiri. But I honestly like this silly old school romance they have. Sometimes it's nice to just have a very generic boy meets girl form different worlds, they teach each other and fall in love. Both of them become more interesting as they grow, they raise a family with everyday family drama, simple. I miss that. Not everything has to be overly complex to be interesting and characters don't have to be girl bosses. Everyone is allowed to express emotions and make mistakes. Just some good old "how I met your mother" and fought in a war kinda stuff
I think it's hilarious that the bins for recycling your 3D glasses say "SAVE THE WORLD" on them, which intrinsically means that the production of those glasses is throwing the world into peril.
haven’t watched this yet but I’ve watched enough videos by these guys to know full well that James hasn’t done a blue harvest joke out of spite because it’s too obvious
Maybe part of Jake's willingness to be so reckless and dangerous with his body is because he's disabled? That's how I interpret it when I watched (half because it's so long and I was 8 when it came out) the film
This movie is the perfect analogy for getting a new TV. The difference from your old one is phenomenal when you first see it. Then about 30 minutes later you don't even remember it changed.
@@gazza6533 but you can't go back and watch Avatar for the first time, IS my point. Just like one of them said, there are people 're-watching' it for the first time in 10 years+. There can't be another first time watching Jake Sully open his Na'Vi eyes in a theater.
The first hour of this movie will forever be engraved into my memory in the worst way possible. Last week of 8th grade, not much school work left, all exams are done, my math teacher thought he'd bless us with letting us watch avatar for the last week of school. Little did we know that meant 5 days in a row of starting the movie from the beginning no matter how many times we told our teacher to start us where we left off 😮💨 Literally as soon as the movie would get interesting the bell would ring. Havnt watched it since then 2010 😂
The part that encapsulates the problems with this movie for me is the bit right after the tree being torn down and before they go off to rally the troops for the final battle - the good humans are captured and being held in a cell together, looking miserable. This would have been the perfect time for Sully to express his feelings about the mistakes he's made, compare where he is now to where he was at the beginning of the film, maybe get some advice from Sigourney Weaver. Just some kind of pause in the film for us to catch our breath and spend time with the people the story has asked us to follow before going into the climax. But there's none of that, it's a tiny moment of them looking sad in the cell, and then one of their friends breaks them out and they're rushing off again. It highlights for me how the film (particularly the dialogue) is 99-100% world-building or exposition. Even Sigourney Weaver's grouchy one-liners include some relevant detail that explains how things work or sets up a detail for later. Then when it gets to the character's emotional low point, the film treats it like a box to quickly tick before moving on. In my opinion, that world-building-over-character approach is why this film is so lacking in personality.
James is missing a Del trick... Del had Peckham Springs... James could have had 'Naavi Font'. Or blow up Naavi dolls... All I want to see now is Jake fall through a bar as a Naavi
James is missing a Del trick... Del had Peckham Springs... James could have had 'Naavi Font'. Or blow up Naavi dolls... All I want to see now is Jake fall through a bar as a Naavi
The irony of a movie that's about being connected to nature being filmed almost entirely in a digital environment is something that's always been funny to me
What's so ironic about that? One - It's done to preserve nature without harming it thus it perfectly aligns with its ideology and 2. Do you know a better way to create a fantastical alien world realistically while using actual natural resources practically?
@@eddiek8179 I never said it was a bad thing or unnecessary. No need to be defensive. The irony is that it's all about nature and it's a multi-billion dollar movie that spawned a bunch of plastic toys and a theme park. It's also Ironic that it's about nature but the technology behind the movie is the focus of most conversations about it
@@jaedenbennett6931 Did I say you said it was a bad thing or unnecessary? I asked you a question while giving an example why it actually might not be such an irony. Ironically, you don't need to be defensive about my reply.
@@eddiek8179 I must've misinterpreted what you were saying then. That's my bad. I thought you were trying to argue against me because you thought it was a criticism
My only memory of this film was my house mate at the time RAVING about how good this was and amazing it looked. Eventually it was showing on TV (were had a CRT TV because it was a hand me down) so i finally sat down to watch it with him, still raving how this will be my fav movie ever. An hour or so in he turns to me and says "it looked better in IMAX" and he never mentioned it again.
I have significantly stronger memories of the buzz surrounding the first film than I have of the film itself. Such as how much attention the film got on the news, its video game, and the most important that it kick started the 3d trend again. But from the movie itself, its all over the place XD I took the opportunity to see the first movie again, at my local cinema so I wouldn't be completely lost when I saw the 2nd.
This movie in a 3D theatre represents a technological step forward like when technicolor was introduced but that experience can't be replicated at home. Your friends mistake was not understanding that this movie was literally designed to be seen in giant 3D. And it's not gimmicky crap jumping out at you to make you duck, the things that draw you in and make it so immersive are the subtle things, for example when the home tree is burned down there's ash blowing across the theatre from side to side. It's hard to express how that pulls you in.
This is interesting, originally the Na'vi was supposed to be an agricultural society, this led to the movie's working title being Blue Harvest, which coincidentally was also the working title for the original Star Wars
Just saw an early screening of Avatar 2. The entire theatre went nuts when Jake said: "To stop this threat, Im going to need to become The Avatar:The way of Water!" I got chills!
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@@T0xXx1k This is not a Morbius reference, it's a "What are we, some kind of Suicide Squad" kind of joke, when they just drop the name of the movie in any scene
Okay, thumbs up for putting Only Fools and Horses into the "Rodney" montage. Hopefully in the future, you'll start replacing each clip with Del Boy shouting "Rodney" until it's entirely Only Fools.
Who’s you? That was definitely put in by Lawrence, their editor. He’s English. Ozzies p watch Only Fools too, but James didn’t edit this video. Ben and Lawrence did. So id presume Lawrence put that in
I saw this twice in the theater back in 2009 and never again. Oh well. What I remember is thinking that James Cameron spent 10 years perfecting the technology to bring the Navi and Pandora to life on film, but too bad he only spend a long weekend on the script.
@@alahsiaboi8909 Sorry no, we're both saying the same thing in a different way. No judgement, just the criticism against Avatar is that it's all presentation and no substance: so a car with neat interior presentation but functions inefficiently. There was no hostility intended.
@@cormaclalor so you came into the cinema , with big screens , 64 audio channel , crystal images with 3d and expecting a narrative experience? , Thats like going to nascar race and complaining about loud engine roar and rampant gasoline/rubber smell , youre in a racetrack not a museum No substance??? Oh yeah the movie with one of the most groundbreaking visual effects which took years to develop and matured is no-substance Actors/actresses who went to bahamas and shoot footage in a tropical biome years prior of movie production for making a reference point to produce an accurate depiction is no-substance Hiring an actual scientist to help designing the creature and vegetation so it could share the same evolution branch is no-substance Multiple artist designing vehicles and building based on real-life counterpart so it could emulate the feeling of "realness" into the movie is no-substance I think the only think with no-substance here is your incoherent argument , and to quote colonel quaritch : "And that is too , a fact"
4:18 that tracks. When it comes to CGI characters, the mouth movements are by far the hardest detail to capture because there are so many tiny muscles that interact in complex ways.
James’s mid-sentence revelation that Tim Allen would be there to perhaps save Maso than get him for saying “Merry Christmas” is absolutely hilarious and the best way this video could’ve ended.
I love to think about how confused new viewers must be about why green trivia / that guy who keeps saying Rodney as well as Blue Harvest keep popping up in Mr Sunday Movies videos
ABSOLUTELY loving Mason calling out James for complaining about having a 3D TV at the time they were popular (and overpriced) "Get a load of this guy, 'oh my steak comes with caviar, it just comes with that. It doesn't even fit in the back of my Bentley'"
It was Neytiri that I fell for. That’s the character that won me over and made me care what happened to her and her “people “. That and it is just beautiful to look at. I wish it had even more scenes of exploration.
Likewise. I always like to look at it as the film Crystal Skull should have been. And even without the 3D, it's still a much better watch to come back to than Avatar was for me.
I think the world needs a Caravan of Garbage episode covering Short Circuit. Think of all the jokes you could make at Fisher Stevens' expense alone! It'd be grand, you guys.
I'd like to echo the praise for Ben & Laurence on this CoG. Their edit game was top notch - delighted to see Terry Tibbs and the CoD : Black Ops reference (to both the 'mason' reference and Worthington's voice performance in that game). My lack of engagement with the characters was similar to James but unlike him Worthington's performance was a big factor. He's always been just a block of wood for me. I'll have to check out that "Banner of heaven" show to see if he has improved.
Thank you for pointing out how dumb Jake is. I don't necessarily have a problem with him being stupid at first, it's just that he gets away with it and doesn't really learn his lesson. He's incredibly reckless and gets lost almost immediately but he's forgiven just as fast because the Navi trust him. He's an enormous ass for the first 2/3 of the movie when he's interacting with them, and when Neytiri finally has enough of his shit he just finds a bird and they all forgive him. The single best part of Avatar 2 is that we see him actually respect the sea people and not be an idiot, and watch him deal with the consequences of his betrayal of the RDA in the first movie.
The worst part is that Sam Worthington can actually act. Saw him in "Under the banner of heaven" last year and he was amazing in that. He just got signed up for dumb movies by his agents in previous decades.
The Eywa spirit gave laws to the Na'Vi telling them to never build structures, never use wheels, and to never dig the metals in the ground. So the tree spirit is basically manipulating them to never be able to advance technologically.
@@JaceDeanLove Same. I'm probably not gonna see it opening weekend though because my cancer medication is still kicking my ass. Maybe I'll see it after Christmas when my side effects wear off.
I was 9 when this movie came out. My family and I saw this movie 6 times in the theatre. It’s kind of crazy how big this movie was in Pakistan (where I’m from) when this came out. So many people I knew saw it multiple times. We’d literally be bored and our parents would say let’s go watch avatar again
The extended cut (& deleted scenes) do a lot for the characters. Norm (the nerd) gets an arc, Tsu'tey (the dickish Navi rival) is humanised. You see Jake on Earth and his arc is much more fleshed out (particularly via the Dream Hunt sequence). Still extremely simple & predictable, but much more likeable. The subplot about Grace's Navi school also does a lot to flesh out the backstory & emotional stakes. Since The Way of Water is 3 hours and 10 minutes anyway I don't understand why they didn't use the extended cut of Avatar for the re-release, or finish and add some of the deleted scenes. The studio is clearly already letting Cameron do whatever the fuck he wants.
@@shawnnbits the finished Collector's Extended Cut is 15 minutes longer than the Theatrical cut, but the blu Ray includes about 40 minutes of additional deleted scenes with unfinished cgi, all of which can be found on UA-cam. A lot of those deleted scenes are quite strong.
In that case you might have spotted the error James made about the Resident Evil movies? Of the three issued in 3D, two of them were actually shot in 3D. Only the final one was post-converted.
Wolf Children by Mamoru Hosoda. Probably not the best caravan of garbage film, but maybe something for Suggestibles? It's an anime film about a woman who falls in love with a man that can transform into a wolf and bears his children. He passes away, however, and the woman must quickly learn how to raise these kids that have inherited their father's ability. It's a really touching story about parenthood and grappling with the struggle of supporting your children while also giving them the freedom to explore their own futures. "As a father" I think you might really enjoy it, James!
As a fan of Marvel's Occult stuff I'd love to see you talk about the super underrated Helstrom show or the Ghost Rider films. Things that would do well with the algorithm: National Treasure, Dune, Magic Mike.
Thank you guys and the editors for caravan of garbage. This is one of 3 things I continue to like on youtube. You are still hilarious after all this time. I really appreciate what you do. Next year you could make the Tintin video.
Long have I waited for Derek Trotter to make a an appearance during the Rodney supercut. Ben and Laurence answered my prayers with this bit. Thank you lads.
I watched Avatar twice in theaters, I found the 3D very impressive, but haven't watched it since. I do have to say, anyone who's been to Pandora at Disney World knows. It's incredible there, one of the best themed lands out there, and Flight of Passage is a bonkers good ride.
but who would play aang in real life? if he's over the age of 15 then it's not true to the source material but also aside from Haley Joel osment name one single child actor under the age of 15 in the fucking history of Cinema that has performed accurately. not really good, I'm aiming low, name one fucking actor under the age of 15 who turned in a good performance who isn't Haley Joel osment
Since you're taking suggestions, I'd love to see more comic stuff on Caravan of Garbage. Either that or the Cars trilogy since the editor seems to have a weird obsession with that franchise LOL
oh my goodness the idea of you guys covering the hsm trilogy has already got me psyched. idk what i need to do to convince you to watch those films but pleaseeeeee do it!!
I'll always enjoy watching this Jarhead that the corporate military thought they could use become a freedom fighter for the people he was supposed to subjugate. He's a dope when he has people telling him what to do, but when he connects to nature he finds himself and becomes a leader.
The best explanation I've heard of why these movies feel empty (unfortunately I can't remember which channel to credit for this), is that the writing is totally black and white. The human military are purely evil, and the Na'vi are purely good. There are no shades of grey, and so none of the characters have any depth or complexity. It's lazy writing that treats the audience like morons who aren't smart enough to handle anything other than a script that holds your hand every step of the way.
My sister loves this movie despite the fact she was 8 when it came out. She has bought tickets to see the new one at a 4D theater, 2 states away next week. I certainly hope it’s worth the drive.
I haven't watched Avatar since seeing it in 2009, and with the exception of a few scenes shown here, I couldn't tell you which footage came from the first film, or trailers of the new one, that's how little impact it left on me. Technologically incredible, but like you said, I felt nothing from watching it.
Yeah same here, I really really wish I could like this movie, on paper it sounds like something I'd love, but experiencing it leaves me feeling aggressively apathetic and I can't quite put my finger on why. Sure the plot sucks and the characters are wood, but the visuals and world-building are supposed to be the main appeal, and they still didn't impress me in the slightest. Something about it is just so...windows screensaver, you know?
@@RoguSpanish My speculation why the film feels a bit window screen ich..Is because 80% of the film focuses on characters that do not exist in a world that does not exist, of which if you could play you would have thought it was a video game, however can you not. So all you have left is an auto pilot game...Screen saver.. 1an circumvented this by having 40% focus on real people in real "locations"
@@KongGig Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking, despite being the most realistic looking CGI I've ever seen, the world still felt too fake to suck me in. I felt infinitely more immersed in middle-earth watching the LOTR movies and they didn't even need to invent new 3D technology to do it, it was just a more believable and relatable world.
@@RoguSpanish Another problem of mine is that visually it's not even visionary and absurd enough to stuck into my head. Too referential to the real world. After all the world of Pandora is nothing more than the biome of a terrestrial jungle, only bigger and slightly different.
@@PakoVero Right, it looks too much like a graphics card demo video to be immersive while also being too lazy to be memorable, it's just a jungle with some glowing stuff here and there and animals that are basically regular animals but with extra arms and lots of pointless tendrils hanging off em. It's somehow both trying too hard and not trying hard enough.
One thing I'll give this movie is that it is gigantic. Like, in Endgame the big final battle is just a bunch of dudes fist-fighting in a muddy field. In Avatar, everything is crisp and clear, and the geohraphy makes sense and watching it on the big screen the spectacle is truly spectacular.
Ya know? I remember seeing this when it came out and really enjoying it. Having not seen it for many years, watching again I still really enjoy it. Solid movie
Something I'd really like to see on Caravan of Garbage is Highlander. I don't know what it could be tying into to make it relevant but I think it would be a bit of fun.
Suggestion for a CoG for next year, now that “The Crow” reboot seems to actually be happening, maybe go through the original graphic novel, or the first three movies and the production hell that the reboot has faced in the decade plus since it was announced. Anywho cheers all the gr8 m8s for another gr8 year of the pod!
For the algorithm, just pick movies from the early 2000s that everyone loved growing up. SpongeBob movie Looney tunes back in action Stuart little Ice age Harry Potter Cat in the hat/grinch Spy kids Shrek Series of unfortunate events Coraline (new one) Charlie and the chocko Nanny McPhee Narnia Madagascar Wallace and gromit
Love this, have a good holiday boys! Would love to see you guys look at the first issues where characters are introduced. I.E. First issue of Detective Comics, etc.
I used to rewatch this film fairly regularly, i love it so much. Majority of my enjoyment is from the visual and the world, neytiri is ace i love her, i love bioluminescent stuff so it hooked me instantly. Cant wait to see the 2nd one. I also love the uncanny look to them, i love humanoid morph character designs, their cat like features make them very appealing to me as alien characters
Thank you James and Mason for the great banter, thank you Lawrence and Ben for the great editing and clip inserts. I’ve been listening to the Weekly Planet podcasts during my drives, which are entertaining but REFUSE to listen Caravan of Garbage as I would deny myself those sweet sweet edits and visual jokes. Have a great holiday season and look forward to next year!
I was swept away by this movie. You all did not understand how to enjoy it. Take a lot of drugs, go to the biggest, loudest 3D IMAX you can possibly find. It's not a story, it's a ride.
I'd love for you guys to cover Man from U.N.C.L.E. (especially vs the old tv show if you wanted to sit through four seasons of questionable quality) if you ever had the chance, especially in with murmurings of a sequel now with a post-Superman/Witcher Cavill technically free (not sure how they'd uh get past the whole Armie Hammer Thing though) - particularly would love to hear Mason's thoughts on the costuming!
Well the boys did it again. Turns out this is a review of Avatar: The Last Airbender. I am surprised they didn’t enjoy Book One: Water. Based on the color palette you can tell the creators harvested a wide range of blues, a “blue harvest” if you will. Coincidentally, “Blue Harvest” was also the working title of Return of the Jedi.
This is literally the easiest movie to sneak a “Blue Harvest” joke into
the whole running gag has been leading up to this
@@baelGIGAN I assumed it was leading up to whenever they finally do the original trilogy
Yeah they phoned the blue harvest gag in on this one
@@epicbruhmoment6985 they’ve already done it fella
That's why they didn't make a joke, it's too easy
Actually the thought of having a multi-quadrithousandstrillion dollars company saving a few bucks on a new avatar body by getting the guy's brother was the most realistic part of the movie for me
Absolutely. They're not wasting that technology
And not give him a day of training?
@@JJMax7 That would cost more money :DDD
6:33 “I don’t like that he just ROLLS into this environment” talking about a paraplegic 😆😆😆
@@JJMax7 He'll get a twenty-minute video explanation on the tablet
It had never occurred to me that Eywa might not be this benevolent planetary consciousness who loves all things and decided to embrace Jake when none of the other Navi would because he has a 'good heart' or some trite shit. I really like the idea you alluded to that Eywa only protected Jake because he was this oblivious clown who could be manipulated to turn against his own people. Means Eywa goes from spirit of the forest to scheming neural network bent on survival at any cost.
that's definitely how i read it
That would be a super interesting direction to take in the sequels, but from the looks of it it's going to be more aliens fight bad military humans 😴
Lovecraft biomass planet
I love that theory actually. Jake is a bit of an idiot, he meets aliens at a new planet and behaves like an everyday American, of course the spirit God is gonna think he's a moron and so did Neytiri.
But I honestly like this silly old school romance they have. Sometimes it's nice to just have a very generic boy meets girl form different worlds, they teach each other and fall in love. Both of them become more interesting as they grow, they raise a family with everyday family drama, simple. I miss that. Not everything has to be overly complex to be interesting and characters don't have to be girl bosses. Everyone is allowed to express emotions and make mistakes. Just some good old "how I met your mother" and fought in a war kinda stuff
That’s interesting. I think I need a third opinion though… I want to see why Mr Saturday says.
Love the comic where Captain Haddock sits exhausted with a beer, saying: "What a week, huh?" and then Tintin replying "Captain, it´s Wednesday."
Then they both snap their fingers.
My favourite Haddock but is where the phone rings while he's in the bath and he angrily answers the showerhead on full blast.
I think it's hilarious that the bins for recycling your 3D glasses say "SAVE THE WORLD" on them, which intrinsically means that the production of those glasses is throwing the world into peril.
haven’t watched this yet but I’ve watched enough videos by these guys to know full well that James hasn’t done a blue harvest joke out of spite because it’s too obvious
You called it. Though he did still say it was the working title of the original Star Wars which I'm sure some people will get mad at
even better he just tacked it on without thinking hard
oh callum you beautiful fool
Precog power?
I dont want to get ahead of myself but I might be the chosen one. Imma go jump on a big red bird.
Immediately thought of Link jumping on his Loftwing.
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Modern problems require modern solutions
the solutions are alien dinosaurs
Maybe part of Jake's willingness to be so reckless and dangerous with his body is because he's disabled? That's how I interpret it when I watched (half because it's so long and I was 8 when it came out) the film
Props to Laurence for sticking a Del Boy “Rodney” into the Rodney bit. 16:24
Lawrence is definitely not a plonker.
My thoughts exactly. Probably the first "Rodney" any Brit over a certain age would think of if you asked them to name one.
It made me snort
I'm sad I had it ruined for me on Twitter but it was still hilarious nonetheless
'That's our deep sea diving records down there James Cameron, we can't just say Bonjour to it!'
Maso calling out James for his 3D TELEVISION was the funniest part of this video, “this steak came with a side of caviar it just comes with that…” 💀
I always felt that the avatars looked uncanny in their human clothes, but the Navi themselves didn't feel as uncanny
That may be intentional
Maybe because you’re introduced to the characters as humans before their avatars are shown
theyre uncanny AF
I'd absolutely bet money it is intentional.
That effect is cranked up to 11 in Avatar 2.
Also who made those clothes does the Stanford school book store make t-shirts for 10ft tall women.
This movie is the perfect analogy for getting a new TV.
The difference from your old one is phenomenal when you first see it. Then about 30 minutes later you don't even remember it changed.
yes but the important thing is that now you can't go back to the old TV
@@gazza6533 but you can't go back and watch Avatar for the first time, IS my point. Just like one of them said, there are people 're-watching' it for the first time in 10 years+. There can't be another first time watching Jake Sully open his Na'Vi eyes in a theater.
@@PimpMacSlickBac I thought you were saying that after 30 minutes the movie loses its magic since you get used to it.
@@gazza6533 the "it" in my original comment was referring to the difference between tvs. I see what you're saying though
You’re all fired and I’m going find a way to drown you.
The editor once again is amazing. Putting together such fitting clips over the audio
The black ops Mason and snoop from the wire stood out to me
Description says Ben and Lawrence- those two are absolute kings, and Ben and his brother both make amazing music!!
The inclusion of the only fools and horses “Rodney” was spectacular
The clip of Snoop buying the nail gun made me laugh for a solid 30 seconds.
Using Black Ops Mason for the Sam Worthington connection was absolute class choice
That was a perfect addition to the Rodney bit. Didn’t expect it 😂
genuinely made me laugh out loud.
"Rodney!"
How did you watch the video so early?
How did you watch this 12 hours early?
They’re likely a Big Sandwich supporter, m8.
The first hour of this movie will forever be engraved into my memory in the worst way possible. Last week of 8th grade, not much school work left, all exams are done, my math teacher thought he'd bless us with letting us watch avatar for the last week of school. Little did we know that meant 5 days in a row of starting the movie from the beginning no matter how many times we told our teacher to start us where we left off 😮💨 Literally as soon as the movie would get interesting the bell would ring. Havnt watched it since then 2010 😂
That has to be some form of psychological torture.
lmao thats awful.
That is genuinely psychotic.
What's even worse is that the class after you had to watch the second hour of the movie and leave right before the conclusion. That teacher sucks 😂
They definitely do exactly this to Al Qaeda guys in Gitmo.
The part that encapsulates the problems with this movie for me is the bit right after the tree being torn down and before they go off to rally the troops for the final battle - the good humans are captured and being held in a cell together, looking miserable. This would have been the perfect time for Sully to express his feelings about the mistakes he's made, compare where he is now to where he was at the beginning of the film, maybe get some advice from Sigourney Weaver. Just some kind of pause in the film for us to catch our breath and spend time with the people the story has asked us to follow before going into the climax. But there's none of that, it's a tiny moment of them looking sad in the cell, and then one of their friends breaks them out and they're rushing off again. It highlights for me how the film (particularly the dialogue) is 99-100% world-building or exposition. Even Sigourney Weaver's grouchy one-liners include some relevant detail that explains how things work or sets up a detail for later. Then when it gets to the character's emotional low point, the film treats it like a box to quickly tick before moving on. In my opinion, that world-building-over-character approach is why this film is so lacking in personality.
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The addition of Del Boy shouting Rodney at 16:24 is 👌
caught me so off guard lmao
I waited weeks for someone to add del and grandad shouting rodney
The best 💃🏽💃🏽💃🏽
James is missing a Del trick... Del had Peckham Springs... James could have had 'Naavi Font'. Or blow up Naavi dolls...
All I want to see now is Jake fall through a bar as a Naavi
James is missing a Del trick... Del had Peckham Springs... James could have had 'Naavi Font'. Or blow up Naavi dolls...
All I want to see now is Jake fall through a bar as a Naavi
I am continuously surprised by how long the Rodney joke continues to be hilarious- I always think it's reached it's peak
The first time it happened. That’s when it peaked.
@@Fake-ky1gx when did it first happen?
@@Commissarman 2012
The cheeky extra Rodney got me in this one, Ben and Collings and Lawrence always keep it Fuckin fresh
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The irony of a movie that's about being connected to nature being filmed almost entirely in a digital environment is something that's always been funny to me
What's so ironic about that? One - It's done to preserve nature without harming it thus it perfectly aligns with its ideology and 2. Do you know a better way to create a fantastical alien world realistically while using actual natural resources practically?
@@eddiek8179 I never said it was a bad thing or unnecessary. No need to be defensive. The irony is that it's all about nature and it's a multi-billion dollar movie that spawned a bunch of plastic toys and a theme park. It's also Ironic that it's about nature but the technology behind the movie is the focus of most conversations about it
@@jaedenbennett6931 Did I say you said it was a bad thing or unnecessary? I asked you a question while giving an example why it actually might not be such an irony. Ironically, you don't need to be defensive about my reply.
@@eddiek8179 I must've misinterpreted what you were saying then. That's my bad. I thought you were trying to argue against me because you thought it was a criticism
@@jaedenbennett6931 nah this dude was definitely giving off a defensive/asshole vibe.
You two should cover the Tintin movie. Such an underappreciated gem that deserves a sequel.
Yeah I came here to say that, it's a pretty cool movie.
I could swear they already did though? Did I dream that? If they haven't they totally should cover it.
It would’ve gotten a sequel if WB didn’t force Peter Jackson to do The Hobbit and broke his spirit
that movie was a banger
Such a good movie: I don't understand why it bombed.
We began with Twilight and ended with Avatar. What a year
Yeah Native Americans got really shit on in media that year
My only memory of this film was my house mate at the time RAVING about how good this was and amazing it looked. Eventually it was showing on TV (were had a CRT TV because it was a hand me down) so i finally sat down to watch it with him, still raving how this will be my fav movie ever. An hour or so in he turns to me and says "it looked better in IMAX" and he never mentioned it again.
That genuinely made me laugh
Just the mental image of a timlapse of his face as it dawned on him that maybe it wasn't that great
I have significantly stronger memories of the buzz surrounding the first film than I have of the film itself.
Such as how much attention the film got on the news, its video game, and the most important that it kick started the 3d trend again.
But from the movie itself, its all over the place XD
I took the opportunity to see the first movie again, at my local cinema so I wouldn't be completely lost when I saw the 2nd.
This movie in a 3D theatre represents a technological step forward like when technicolor was introduced but that experience can't be replicated at home. Your friends mistake was not understanding that this movie was literally designed to be seen in giant 3D. And it's not gimmicky crap jumping out at you to make you duck, the things that draw you in and make it so immersive are the subtle things, for example when the home tree is burned down there's ash blowing across the theatre from side to side. It's hard to express how that pulls you in.
@@glassbakeware Or when the spirit forest(Flying thingy) flies out of the screen.
@@KongGig that was going to be my other example lol ....but the ash thing, I don't know why but it just blows me away still.
This is interesting, originally the Na'vi was supposed to be an agricultural society, this led to the movie's working title being Blue Harvest, which coincidentally was also the working title for the original Star Wars
Needed a lot more buildup
I thought they eat by gobbling up the hippie rhetoric of each other and photosynthesis
"If I got the big red bird" got me laughing and wheezing so hard I had to pause the video to catch my breath.
This is a masterclass in fun and silly editing. Truly a tour de force, Ben and Laurence
The black ops clip when James shouted Mason was god tier comedy. Good on ya Ben and/or Lawrence
Just saw an early screening of Avatar 2. The entire theatre went nuts when Jake said: "To stop this threat, Im going to need to become The Avatar:The way of Water!"
I got chills!
*groan* we desperately need a new movie meme the morbius 1s no matter how you try to retool them it's a dead meme! Dead I say!!
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*groan* we desperately need a new movie meme the morbius 1s no matter how you try to retool them it's a dead meme! Dead I say!!
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"So that's why they call it that."
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@@T0xXx1k This is not a Morbius reference, it's a "What are we, some kind of Suicide Squad" kind of joke, when they just drop the name of the movie in any scene
Okay, thumbs up for putting Only Fools and Horses into the "Rodney" montage. Hopefully in the future, you'll start replacing each clip with Del Boy shouting "Rodney" until it's entirely Only Fools.
I didn't think it was possible to improve on the Rodney bit.
I was so very wrong.
This !
Rodney! Rodney! Rodney! Rodney! Rodney! Dave! Rodneeeeey!
Who’s you? That was definitely put in by Lawrence, their editor. He’s English.
Ozzies p watch Only Fools too, but James didn’t edit this video. Ben and Lawrence did. So id presume Lawrence put that in
@@Fake-ky1gx I know, thanks.
I saw this twice in the theater back in 2009 and never again. Oh well. What I remember is thinking that James Cameron spent 10 years perfecting the technology to bring the Navi and Pandora to life on film, but too bad he only spend a long weekend on the script.
Wow a nascar racing team designed their car to be an efficient racimg machine and excluding comfort , why am i surprised
@@alahsiaboi8909 Or splashed out on luxurious leather padded comfort and forgot to make it an efficient racing car in the process...😉
@@cormaclalor so you just shallowly spun my argument to made up a non-existing pseudo-argument???
@@alahsiaboi8909 Sorry no, we're both saying the same thing in a different way. No judgement, just the criticism against Avatar is that it's all presentation and no substance: so a car with neat interior presentation but functions inefficiently. There was no hostility intended.
@@cormaclalor so you came into the cinema , with big screens , 64 audio channel , crystal images with 3d and expecting a narrative experience? , Thats like going to nascar race and complaining about loud engine roar and rampant gasoline/rubber smell , youre in a racetrack not a museum
No substance??? Oh yeah the movie with one of the most groundbreaking visual effects which took years to develop and matured is no-substance
Actors/actresses who went to bahamas and shoot footage in a tropical biome years prior of movie production for making a reference point to produce an accurate depiction is no-substance
Hiring an actual scientist to help designing the creature and vegetation so it could share the same evolution branch is no-substance
Multiple artist designing vehicles and building based on real-life counterpart so it could emulate the feeling of "realness" into the movie is no-substance
I think the only think with no-substance here is your incoherent argument , and to quote colonel quaritch :
"And that is too , a fact"
4:18 that tracks. When it comes to CGI characters, the mouth movements are by far the hardest detail to capture because there are so many tiny muscles that interact in complex ways.
James’s mid-sentence revelation that Tim Allen would be there to perhaps save Maso than get him for saying “Merry Christmas” is absolutely hilarious and the best way this video could’ve ended.
I love to think about how confused new viewers must be about why green trivia / that guy who keeps saying Rodney as well as Blue Harvest keep popping up in Mr Sunday Movies videos
nah, they'll just be wondering why he doesnt say westworld
I mean the fact that this is basically an animated movie hadn't crossed my mind until now.
Now think of it as Who Framed Roger Rabbit?.
The edit was fantastic on this one! Thanks, lads!
ABSOLUTELY loving Mason calling out James for complaining about having a 3D TV at the time they were popular (and overpriced) "Get a load of this guy, 'oh my steak comes with caviar, it just comes with that. It doesn't even fit in the back of my Bentley'"
It was Neytiri that I fell for. That’s the character that won me over and made me care what happened to her and her “people “. That and it is just beautiful to look at. I wish it had even more scenes of exploration.
Love the Tintin movie shoutout, I always thought it deserved better. Really wish those Edgar Wright and Peter Jackson sequels had happened.
another little green trivia : maso & james are never a fan of tin tin
source : weekly planet ep 109
Likewise. I always like to look at it as the film Crystal Skull should have been. And even without the 3D, it's still a much better watch to come back to than Avatar was for me.
It’s amazing. Avatar has been out for more than a decade and this is the most footage I have ever seen.
The movie us great until the barbarian blue hippies unlogcially start to win
I think the world needs a Caravan of Garbage episode covering Short Circuit. Think of all the jokes you could make at Fisher Stevens' expense alone! It'd be grand, you guys.
Yes please, this would be perfect for the channel
I'd like to echo the praise for Ben & Laurence on this CoG. Their edit game was top notch - delighted to see Terry Tibbs and the CoD : Black Ops reference (to both the 'mason' reference and Worthington's voice performance in that game). My lack of engagement with the characters was similar to James but unlike him Worthington's performance was a big factor. He's always been just a block of wood for me. I'll have to check out that "Banner of heaven" show to see if he has improved.
Thank you for pointing out how dumb Jake is. I don't necessarily have a problem with him being stupid at first, it's just that he gets away with it and doesn't really learn his lesson. He's incredibly reckless and gets lost almost immediately but he's forgiven just as fast because the Navi trust him. He's an enormous ass for the first 2/3 of the movie when he's interacting with them, and when Neytiri finally has enough of his shit he just finds a bird and they all forgive him. The single best part of Avatar 2 is that we see him actually respect the sea people and not be an idiot, and watch him deal with the consequences of his betrayal of the RDA in the first movie.
I mean the movie had to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the American moviegoing audience. Which is dumb young men. So there ya go.
Thank you both + the wonderful editors for all the Caravans of Garbages this year 😅😢 one of the best things on UA-cam, thanks for every single one!!
The inclusion of Del Boy was brilliant. More of that please
Always a great surprise when a new video drops. Some people love it so much they watch it 12 hours before it gets released. That's devotion.
I completely agree with Mason on how Uncanny Valley the Na’vi are, and I absolutely agree with James about how impossible it is to like Jake Sully.
The worst part is that Sam Worthington can actually act. Saw him in "Under the banner of heaven" last year and he was amazing in that. He just got signed up for dumb movies by his agents in previous decades.
The Eywa spirit gave laws to the Na'Vi telling them to never build structures, never use wheels, and to never dig the metals in the ground. So the tree spirit is basically manipulating them to never be able to advance technologically.
I saw this movie at 7 years old, I am now 20.
This is my first time experiencing such a bizarre wait for a sequel.😂
What about the timespan between star wars 3 and star wars 7? Or star wars 6 and star wars 7, when you want to put it into the correct timeline order.
I was 11. Now I'm 24, almost 25
@@themedic4000 3-7 was 10 years. Less than the Avatar wait. If you go 6-7, that's 32 years lol
@@themedic4000 there was less time between Episode III and The Force Awakens than Avatar 1 and 2
@@JaceDeanLove Same. I'm probably not gonna see it opening weekend though because my cancer medication is still kicking my ass. Maybe I'll see it after Christmas when my side effects wear off.
I was 9 when this movie came out. My family and I saw this movie 6 times in the theatre. It’s kind of crazy how big this movie was in Pakistan (where I’m from) when this came out. So many people I knew saw it multiple times. We’d literally be bored and our parents would say let’s go watch avatar again
Snoop buying the nail gun is one of the best scenes on all of tv.
The extended cut (& deleted scenes) do a lot for the characters. Norm (the nerd) gets an arc, Tsu'tey (the dickish Navi rival) is humanised.
You see Jake on Earth and his arc is much more fleshed out (particularly via the Dream Hunt sequence). Still extremely simple & predictable, but much more likeable.
The subplot about Grace's Navi school also does a lot to flesh out the backstory & emotional stakes.
Since The Way of Water is 3 hours and 10 minutes anyway I don't understand why they didn't use the extended cut of Avatar for the re-release, or finish and add some of the deleted scenes. The studio is clearly already letting Cameron do whatever the fuck he wants.
EXTENDED CUT???
@@shawnnbits the finished Collector's Extended Cut is 15 minutes longer than the Theatrical cut, but the blu Ray includes about 40 minutes of additional deleted scenes with unfinished cgi, all of which can be found on UA-cam. A lot of those deleted scenes are quite strong.
"A lot of chosen ones at the bottom of a chasm" is such a wise take
Thanks for the wonderful content all year! Enjoy the break and excited to see what’s next for CoG
I love my 3DTV and my 3D Blu Ray collection and took this video as a slap in the face lol
In that case you might have spotted the error James made about the Resident Evil movies? Of the three issued in 3D, two of them were actually shot in 3D. Only the final one was post-converted.
Wolf Children by Mamoru Hosoda. Probably not the best caravan of garbage film, but maybe something for Suggestibles? It's an anime film about a woman who falls in love with a man that can transform into a wolf and bears his children. He passes away, however, and the woman must quickly learn how to raise these kids that have inherited their father's ability. It's a really touching story about parenthood and grappling with the struggle of supporting your children while also giving them the freedom to explore their own futures. "As a father" I think you might really enjoy it, James!
"i guess the trees like him or whatever" 🤣🤣 iconic
I demand at least once the entire Rodney montage be composed solely of Del Boy and then a couple of episodes after that by Trigger calling him Dave.
As a fan of Marvel's Occult stuff I'd love to see you talk about the super underrated Helstrom show or the Ghost Rider films. Things that would do well with the algorithm: National Treasure, Dune, Magic Mike.
Nah man Helstrom was awful, it's perfectly rated as it is
As a Canadian, all I want for Xmas is more content from Ben. That'd be great! Thx! 🇨🇦
Thank you guys and the editors for caravan of garbage. This is one of 3 things I continue to like on youtube. You are still hilarious after all this time. I really appreciate what you do. Next year you could make the Tintin video.
You should do some Kaiju movies.
Pacific Rim(s), Monsterverse… old school Godzilla.
Long have I waited for Derek Trotter to make a an appearance during the Rodney supercut. Ben and Laurence answered my prayers with this bit. Thank you lads.
I watched Avatar twice in theaters, I found the 3D very impressive, but haven't watched it since. I do have to say, anyone who's been to Pandora at Disney World knows. It's incredible there, one of the best themed lands out there, and Flight of Passage is a bonkers good ride.
i cried on that ride. idk why lmao
I'm still mad that the best Avatar movie doesn't have Aang in it and is painfully average.
but who would play aang in real life? if he's over the age of 15 then it's not true to the source material but also aside from Haley Joel osment name one single child actor under the age of 15 in the fucking history of Cinema that has performed accurately. not really good, I'm aiming low,
name one fucking actor under the age of 15 who turned in a good performance who isn't Haley Joel osment
@@jesse_reznor The entire child cast of Stranger Things
Hailee Steinfield, Dakota Fanning, Natalie Portman, Jacob Tremblay, and MacCualay Culkin, were all solid child actors, just off the top of my head.
you should do district 9. it was the other alien movie from 2009, but way way better, honestly it is one of my favorite movies
Bro “I think I’m probably the chosen one I reckon I can get that big red bird or whatever” 😂
the movie "Morbius" (2022) has had a greater cultural impact that James Cameron's "Avatar" (2009)
I seriously laughed so hard at that jumped over a plant joke I sprayed my drink out of my nose😅
Since you're taking suggestions, I'd love to see more comic stuff on Caravan of Garbage. Either that or the Cars trilogy since the editor seems to have a weird obsession with that franchise LOL
James Cameron being Snoop buying the nail gun is just too perfect
I remember when this came out and thinking “fuck off this looks awful” and that will never change.
17:59 for the last time, it’s the working title for *Return of the Jedi*
I don’t know what you pay your editors. But it isn’t enough. There’s a whole extra layer of Comedy going on and it’s glorious
oh my goodness the idea of you guys covering the hsm trilogy has already got me psyched. idk what i need to do to convince you to watch those films but pleaseeeeee do it!!
I saw the Avatar re-release with my ladyfriend. I felt nothing. She loved it and thought there was something wrong with me.
You better keep an eye out when she's around trees
Nah, you're human...she might be quasi Furry.
I'll always enjoy watching this Jarhead that the corporate military thought they could use become a freedom fighter for the people he was supposed to subjugate. He's a dope when he has people telling him what to do, but when he connects to nature he finds himself and becomes a leader.
sounds like a knock off thin red line blended with pocahontas to me.
The best explanation I've heard of why these movies feel empty (unfortunately I can't remember which channel to credit for this), is that the writing is totally black and white. The human military are purely evil, and the Na'vi are purely good. There are no shades of grey, and so none of the characters have any depth or complexity. It's lazy writing that treats the audience like morons who aren't smart enough to handle anything other than a script that holds your hand every step of the way.
I would love to see you guys tackle the Spy Kids trilogy. A lot of us have a nostalgiac attachment to those films.
Oh dear god please no
My sister loves this movie despite the fact she was 8 when it came out. She has bought tickets to see the new one at a 4D theater, 2 states away next week. I certainly hope it’s worth the drive.
No offence to your sister, but I hope it isn't worth the drive: good life lesson!
I'd love to see the Star Wars Sequel trilogy (big fan of those movies!) and LOTR :)
“Jump on the bloody big red bird” was so Broden Kelly and I love it so much. 😂
Using the nail gun scene from The Wire was dope. Kudos to Ben and team.
I haven't watched Avatar since seeing it in 2009, and with the exception of a few scenes shown here, I couldn't tell you which footage came from the first film, or trailers of the new one, that's how little impact it left on me.
Technologically incredible, but like you said, I felt nothing from watching it.
Yeah same here, I really really wish I could like this movie, on paper it sounds like something I'd love, but experiencing it leaves me feeling aggressively apathetic and I can't quite put my finger on why. Sure the plot sucks and the characters are wood, but the visuals and world-building are supposed to be the main appeal, and they still didn't impress me in the slightest. Something about it is just so...windows screensaver, you know?
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My speculation why the film feels a bit window screen ich..Is because 80% of the film focuses on characters that do not exist in a world that does not exist, of which if you could play you would have thought it was a video game, however can you not. So all you have left is an auto pilot game...Screen saver..
1an circumvented this by having 40% focus on real people in real "locations"
@@KongGig Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking, despite being the most realistic looking CGI I've ever seen, the world still felt too fake to suck me in. I felt infinitely more immersed in middle-earth watching the LOTR movies and they didn't even need to invent new 3D technology to do it, it was just a more believable and relatable world.
@@RoguSpanish Another problem of mine is that visually it's not even visionary and absurd enough to stuck into my head. Too referential to the real world. After all the world of Pandora is nothing more than the biome of a terrestrial jungle, only bigger and slightly different.
@@PakoVero Right, it looks too much like a graphics card demo video to be immersive while also being too lazy to be memorable, it's just a jungle with some glowing stuff here and there and animals that are basically regular animals but with extra arms and lots of pointless tendrils hanging off em. It's somehow both trying too hard and not trying hard enough.
Ah yes! The era of EVERYTHING IN 3D FOR FOUR YEARS 😂😂😂 I’m glad someone said it 🙈
One thing I'll give this movie is that it is gigantic. Like, in Endgame the big final battle is just a bunch of dudes fist-fighting in a muddy field. In Avatar, everything is crisp and clear, and the geohraphy makes sense and watching it on the big screen the spectacle is truly spectacular.
6:12 the Hallelujah Mountains!
Man Dances with Wolves was great, no wonder James Cameron ripped it off.
Ya know? I remember seeing this when it came out and really enjoying it. Having not seen it for many years, watching again I still really enjoy it. Solid movie
Something I'd really like to see on Caravan of Garbage is Highlander. I don't know what it could be tying into to make it relevant but I think it would be a bit of fun.
Watching Avatar 2 in 3 hours, in IMAX 3d… & this is exactly what I needed 😂😂😂😂
Suggestion for a CoG for next year, now that “The Crow” reboot seems to actually be happening, maybe go through the original graphic novel, or the first three movies and the production hell that the reboot has faced in the decade plus since it was announced. Anywho cheers all the gr8 m8s for another gr8 year of the pod!
For the algorithm, just pick movies from the early 2000s that everyone loved growing up.
SpongeBob movie
Looney tunes back in action
Stuart little
Ice age
Harry Potter
Cat in the hat/grinch
Spy kids
Shrek
Series of unfortunate events
Coraline (new one)
Charlie and the chocko
Nanny McPhee
Narnia
Madagascar
Wallace and gromit
Love this, have a good holiday boys! Would love to see you guys look at the first issues where characters are introduced. I.E. First issue of Detective Comics, etc.
I used to rewatch this film fairly regularly, i love it so much. Majority of my enjoyment is from the visual and the world, neytiri is ace i love her, i love bioluminescent stuff so it hooked me instantly. Cant wait to see the 2nd one. I also love the uncanny look to them, i love humanoid morph character designs, their cat like features make them very appealing to me as alien characters
I want all of the Blue Harvest jokes framed in a Museum one day.😂
Thank you James and Mason for the great banter, thank you Lawrence and Ben for the great editing and clip inserts. I’ve been listening to the Weekly Planet podcasts during my drives, which are entertaining but REFUSE to listen Caravan of Garbage as I would deny myself those sweet sweet edits and visual jokes. Have a great holiday season and look forward to next year!
I was swept away by this movie. You all did not understand how to enjoy it. Take a lot of drugs, go to the biggest, loudest 3D IMAX you can possibly find. It's not a story, it's a ride.
maybe that taylor swift movie will help to splode the algorithm
I heard the only reason Cameron named the new one "Way of the Water" was because he missed nearly drowning someone in the first one.
I'd love for you guys to cover Man from U.N.C.L.E. (especially vs the old tv show if you wanted to sit through four seasons of questionable quality) if you ever had the chance, especially in with murmurings of a sequel now with a post-Superman/Witcher Cavill technically free (not sure how they'd uh get past the whole Armie Hammer Thing though) - particularly would love to hear Mason's thoughts on the costuming!
Well the boys did it again. Turns out this is a review of Avatar: The Last Airbender. I am surprised they didn’t enjoy Book One: Water. Based on the color palette you can tell the creators harvested a wide range of blues, a “blue harvest” if you will. Coincidentally, “Blue Harvest” was also the working title of Return of the Jedi.
James and Mason, thank you for a year of great entertainment. Looking forward to 2023. Merry Christmas 🤶