MacBook Data Recovery: Say No to Data Soldered to the Motherboard

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  • @dabeast5874
    @dabeast5874 4 роки тому +29

    Just a matter of time before they solder the user onto macbooks

    • @BitterCurrant
      @BitterCurrant 4 роки тому +3

      One look at the lines whenever a new Apple product goes on sale should be enough that that's already a reality :0

  • @ernestmccollum2397
    @ernestmccollum2397 4 роки тому +82

    Proprietary tool fell of a truck?? Cool.

    • @octapc
      @octapc 4 роки тому +6

      Finders keepers Losers Weepers

    • @AJB2K3
      @AJB2K3 4 роки тому +4

      It's amazing what falls off a lorry that tries to go under a low bridge!

    • @Knowbody42
      @Knowbody42 4 роки тому +2

      Well, you know, some of those bridges are just too low.

    • @jayr6637
      @jayr6637 4 роки тому +2

      @@Knowbody42 Yeah, like about 11' 8" :)

  • @sibinbose1977
    @sibinbose1977 4 роки тому +120

    If DARPA ever wants to build skynet plz give the contract to apple so that the terminator robots will have shitty hardware and breaksdown by themselves...

    • @jamiemahoney2446
      @jamiemahoney2446 4 роки тому +5

      But the unbreakable fuses.

    • @0623kaboom
      @0623kaboom 4 роки тому +1

      and windows 95 beta ... then not only will they have poor software BUT also blue screens of death when it tries to do anything beyond fly lol

    • @eivis13
      @eivis13 4 роки тому

      @@0623kaboom that joke is so old it's not even funny. Better yet have them update by doing a complete memory wipe and not know what to do next.

    • @aoelp
      @aoelp 4 роки тому +1

      @@0623kaboom Nah, just let them use Windows Vista without any updates and a bit of "corruption". 🤣

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 4 роки тому +2

      and we could then reset and leave them with Activation Lock so they couldn't do anything

  • @ricardoelectronicsrepair
    @ricardoelectronicsrepair 4 роки тому +23

    apple innovation:
    Power key integrated to keyboard
    Ram soldered to mb
    Ssd soldered to mb
    No heat pipe but have a fan
    No motor fan at all
    Battery non removable
    Use usb for power input that complicated with chip controller that rather than simple 5mm O style plug

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 4 роки тому +1

      "Courage"

    • @spottedtango
      @spottedtango 4 роки тому +2

      yeah, it's crazy how they have cut out a lot of the proprietary tech and pioneering assembly decisions that made them the richest company in the world. The MagSafe for example - Simple, effective, keeps you from knocking your laptop off a desk if you trip over your charger, fairly durable - win. Can it be made to be as small as a USB type-c, probably not so out it goes. Back in 2005-2013 it was hard to find a comparable sized laptop with as good battery life as the macbooks. Now granted, some of that is OSX, but they were the only manufactures taking mobile life seriously in smaller laptops especially. Not to mention they were removable until then. Out tha window. Now, lets not forget; you're holding it wrong. Bendgate, glued unibodies, apple is a symphonic for bad design in some ways, but they made some things I think would stick, they just threw out the window. Apple should release the magsafe patent or go back to it and stop trolling us with dying type-c circuits, shit or get off the pot.

    • @1_GigaWaffle
      @1_GigaWaffle 4 роки тому +3

      You've forgotten a useless T2 security chip that dies randomly.

    • @james-faulkner
      @james-faulkner 4 роки тому +2

      Apple no longer designs devices they just want to sell you *dongles* !

    • @james-faulkner
      @james-faulkner 4 роки тому

      @@spottedtango The bendable iphones had nothing to do with poor grade Al, it was the design. In metal fabricating there is a rule you never drill holes close to where a bend is going to be before you bend the piece.When they moved the buttons to the side to mimic hemorr'droids' that made them easy to bend at that point across from the opposing button holes.

  • @cinlung
    @cinlung 4 роки тому +10

    Macbook board design seems like they are putting timer to end the macbook life with those non-redundant power limiter chip. Next time they will use skimpy wires just to keep the laptop age never goes above 1 year.

    • @kalijasin
      @kalijasin 4 роки тому +1

      This is all to get you to buy a new macbook rather than repair and/or upgrade the one you got.

  • @t0nito
    @t0nito 4 роки тому +48

    I here solemnly swear I will NEVER buy an apple product, seriously, NEVER!!!

    • @hedydd2
      @hedydd2 4 роки тому +5

      Have you ever? If so, what made you come to this conclusion?

    • @0623kaboom
      @0623kaboom 4 роки тому +4

      @@hedydd2 serviced more apple crap in my life than most ... and serviced ibm clones too ... APPLE CRAP is CRAP ... it's OVER priced non standardized ... and actually highly susceptible to em interference ... APPLE stuff is NOT worth the cost to stock it on the shelves ...

    • @t0nito
      @t0nito 4 роки тому +6

      @@hedydd2 No I haven't and never will, I'm not spending my hard earned money on overpriced junk that when something goes bad they tell you "suck it , just buy another one." No thanks.

    • @kumarcgowda
      @kumarcgowda 4 роки тому +1

      I have a MacBook Pro, but will never buy one again. Linux laptops are the best.

    • @hedydd2
      @hedydd2 4 роки тому +1

      @@t0nito
      Thought not. It's your kind that shout loudest.
      Apple products, particularly late model laptops have had their issues, and their repair ethos certainly has issues, but in general their products have a very high degree of customer satisfaction. Do their products justify their premium price? In the case of laptops with issues, certainly not. Their premium phones? Not when you consider that their own budget models like the new SE does 95% of what the premium ones do at a third of the price.
      No problem with you buying alternatives, which are just as good, and in the case of laptops, mostly better products. Can't see why you hate Apple products generally though. I certainly don't hate Lenovo, Widows or Android and I use them all. They, including Apple machines, are all vanilla consumer products that do the job. You make your choice and pay your money and ignore what others choose.

  • @stefan7231
    @stefan7231 4 роки тому +48

    Just avoid Apple all together!

    • @Bassotronics
      @Bassotronics 4 роки тому

      Eggsactly.
      I will try the Pear brand or Orange.

    • @hedydd2
      @hedydd2 4 роки тому +1

      That's a bit drastic. My mid-2011 iMac is running as good as new and has never failed me. It will be nine years of age in September and has run 24 hours a day, used probably seven hours every day from new. I've a new 27" current model with 2TB SSD on order, so that I avoid the T2 chip that they will fit in the redesigned machine about to be introduced. The current design is a classic, in that unless you know what to look for, it looks the same as one sold 10 years ago and I like it fine even today.
      Their laptops on the other hand are expensive and cheaply built with a history of shoddy design and parts fitted. It is the OS and the integration and synchronisation with other devices that is the attraction. The operating systems.

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 4 роки тому

      @@hedydd2
      Not only the OSes, but the exclusive software too!

    • @viva7642
      @viva7642 4 роки тому

      @@kbhasi OS I can understand but exclusive softwares? Like what??

    • @flycrack7686
      @flycrack7686 4 роки тому

      @@hedydd2 never get an apple product period is the best advice right now.

  • @johnd2534
    @johnd2534 4 роки тому +14

    Look on the bright side if the army ever run out of grenades they can throw MacBooks at the enemy.

  • @howardbrooks8810
    @howardbrooks8810 4 роки тому +16

    Badly designed voltage regulator ? Or planned obsolescence by inserting a chip that is designed to fail after a predetermined time ?
    How common is this failure in Apple products ?
    Food for thought .

    • @XxRaidenxXminecraft
      @XxRaidenxXminecraft 4 роки тому +2

      not chip designed to fail with time just chip designed to fail in short circuit theres chip in this world that fait with MOhms or just like fuses in like 95% but apple just choose the one that become a wire .... that's why when you design something the research for component take like days / month / year before th product see the light of the sun

    • @personalview7388
      @personalview7388 4 роки тому +1

      Actually good smart power stages used in many motherboards are highly advanced and designed to not allow both thermal blowup (that is unpredictable) and also prevent switching from malfunctioning.
      Yet not only Apple, but amny other companies press to make thing cheaper and use transistors or even DRMos type stages that are pretty dumb.

    • @hedydd2
      @hedydd2 4 роки тому +1

      @@personalview7388
      Apple have zero excuse for making things cheaper and less repairable/reliable. They do sell for a significant premium price after all. Which they don't deserve these days. Their attitude to repairs and repairers, and poor choices in design and components in regard to their laptops, is just not good enough.

    • @HasanProd
      @HasanProd 4 роки тому

      nah they have other things that are actually much terrible

    • @scottrobinson4611
      @scottrobinson4611 4 роки тому

      In a way, all chips are "designed to fail after a predetermined time".
      Nothing works forever. Most electronic components more complex than a wire are tested and certified to work for a predetermined length of time (and often at a given temperature/voltage) After that period of time, it's a crapshoot.
      Component failures like this aren't really signs of apple's planned obsolescence, more just signs of shitty board layouts, poor component choice and lack of overcurrent protection or any sort of redundancy.
      No company on earth could make a machine that will last forever. I'd bet that apple's failure rates for components line up with that for other companies using the same components, and both will line up with the expected failure rate as given by the manufacturer.
      I'm not saying apple products don't have an essence of planned obsolescence about them, but this specific example just isn't it.

  • @lohphat
    @lohphat 4 роки тому +1

    If you’re not backing up data daily than you shouldn’t be trusted using ANY computing device. Be it a removable spinner, SSD, or soldered storage, any component can fail beyond recovery. Go to the backups.
    All my suspense are backed up onto two local NAS boxes AND replicated to AWS in case of a house fire.
    Backups are not optional.

  • @GregM
    @GregM 4 роки тому +1

    It is true that recovering data off older MacBooks is more likely when a critical component fails since rotational hard drives or earlier SSDs are removable. However, storage devices like hard drives can and do fail. This can result in expensive data recovery and even that is not always guaranteed. So people backup your data people. Backup your data either to an external hard drive or to the cloud. It is not a backup if you only have a file only on one device

  • @cinlung
    @cinlung 4 роки тому +15

    Next time, apple will solder in LED panel, DDR Memory Chip, SSD Chip, Keyboard, keypad, and loose all heatsink. Just to make it look cool and easily destroyed by any actions. And people would still buy and worship apple.

    • @kumarcgowda
      @kumarcgowda 4 роки тому +3

      The SSD and RAM is already soldered.

  • @DukeFawks
    @DukeFawks 4 роки тому +6

    You are pointing at the RAM when you say the data is here. The actual NANDs are on the side of the board.
    That 12" is doable. Either do a CPU swap or take the NANDs+controller and transplant to a good board. Data on these is not tied to the CPU or crap like that. The newer MacBooks with T2 would require to swap the T2 chip also as they are pretty much an iPhone on steroids now.

    • @JessaJones
      @JessaJones  4 роки тому +3

      In your experience, is the CPU ever not dead when these high side mosfets fail? On this 12” the explosion at the chip did not leave 0 resistance on the cpu line and after a big rebuild of the area, and a new chip, the device is 20v with 1.5A (as opposed to earlier 30mA). But it has no video. (Still troubleshooting so don’t know about external monitor). Was that rebuild a waste of time?
      I will start looking into chip swaps next.
      Good to know that the key is not in the cpu on these. For the T2-is there a key also in the CPU or just T2-NAND-controllers?
      And while I have you-is it a waste of time to look into adapting lifeboat to communicate with the 12”? Kind of like turning lifeboat into a z3x box or similar by soldering wires? Love to hear your experience-we are just starting to see these devices now that Apple stores are closed.

    • @DukeFawks
      @DukeFawks 4 роки тому +6

      @@JessaJones Oh yeah if the high side fails the CPU is dead no question, never seen them survive after the 3rd generation of i-core CPUs. The older ones would sometimes survive. In that sense the rebuild was a waste of time if you don't intended on replacing the CPU. You should also replace the driver chip U7100 just to be sure. But getting the CPUs is pretty hopeless and would also require the ME region in the BIOS to be "cleared" to be able to boot into OSX.
      The T2 machines do not have the CPU tied to the rest of the machine so replacing the CPU is still possible on those. But again it is a complete PIA getting a CPU and not having it warp while putting it on. Or even getting them pre-warped from China friends ripping them from trash boards.
      Yes the lifeboat can be made to work with the 12" as both SSD interfaces are just PCIe. The lifeboat "cover" connector is actually a bridge so removing it isolates the whole SSD circuit from the rest of the board. You would need to remove some caps and stuff from the 12" board to disconnect the SSD part from the rest. But if the 12" board powers up you may be able to get away to just isolate the PCIE_SSD and reset lines and hook them up to the Lifeboat tool. All the lines going to the lifeboat connector are also present on the 12" boards.

    • @aqib2000
      @aqib2000 4 роки тому

      Duke Fawks thanks Duke

  • @surebrec5113
    @surebrec5113 4 роки тому +2

    I only ever owned one Apple product, and that was an iPhone that my sister bought me one year as a Christmas present. It was an absolute nightmare from the first day I got it, to the day it was stolen.
    As long as I have the choice, I will never use another Apple product for the rest of my life.

  • @Deserthacker
    @Deserthacker 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for what you are doing! Teaching, standing up for our rights and genuinely helping so many people.

  • @3ktone685
    @3ktone685 4 роки тому +1

    I haven't looked at the schematics, but wouldn't it be theoretically possible to just solder a lifeboat connector to the appropriate contacts on the board? Unless there's a specific chip between the connector and the flash, I feel like that should possibly work.

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому +2

      2018 and newer macbooks have a T2 chip, which is responsible for "security", or in other words, making sure that the data is encrypted (scrambled)

    • @m.m.m.c.a.k.e
      @m.m.m.c.a.k.e 2 роки тому

      Just kill the t2

  • @timcanterbury9738
    @timcanterbury9738 4 роки тому +4

    "If attacked, don't let yourself be captured. If it comes to it, I'll do you and then myself. This information cannot be allowed to be taken. " - $1.00 chip to cpu.

  • @henry67278
    @henry67278 4 роки тому +1

    It's also not a good idea for an ssd to run hot and right next the cpu is not a good idea

  • @michalwalks
    @michalwalks 4 роки тому +3

    I love the iHab Re-hab name, it's like physio for apple stuff. Great name!

  • @ObsoleteMule
    @ObsoleteMule 2 роки тому

    Thankfully I had a 2013 MacBook and I believe the PCH went on it, now it can't see the SSD, but SSD is intact and has full continuity so I'm very much counting myself lucky that it hadn't blown and my SSD is removable therefore I can get my data off it, just waiting on an adaptor to recover my files, but this has taught me a very big and valuable lesson in backing up my data

  • @t0nito
    @t0nito 4 роки тому

    It's bad that such a critical component should fail shorted instead of open and deliver the full input voltage to the output, that being said, would it be so hard for a multibillion company like apple spend a fraction of a cent and put a fuse and a zener diode protector on that output line?

  • @apple_unlocking_services3004
    @apple_unlocking_services3004 4 роки тому

    I used to feel bad when i tell my customers that we can’t recover their files & i understood the bad feeling that comes with it, but now that you have lot of easy “free & paid” ways to backup your files, i start blaming the customer by saying “ohh you don’t have a backup ? then you don’t care about your files” don’t cry about your files in front of me. ❌

  • @thegsmsolution1
    @thegsmsolution1 4 роки тому

    iPad Rehab videos are always awesome.I really enjoy it as my senior workstation.

  • @coccoborg
    @coccoborg 4 роки тому

    Why can't a VRM be made to fail as a short to ground? Wouldn't that save a lot of boards? If the power stage fails dumping 13V directly into the core there's no saving it.

  • @dougtaylor7724
    @dougtaylor7724 4 роки тому

    Our company once bought 500 Mac books a year. No more after a few data losses. Wonder how many other fairly good sized accounts they lost because of this?

  • @RandallFlaggNY
    @RandallFlaggNY 4 роки тому

    Has the lifeboat connector circuitry been reversed engineered? Perhaps a bright spark somewhere could research how to solder a new lifeboat receptacle to the mobo? Is it possible?

  • @gsawnv
    @gsawnv 4 роки тому +1

    You would think they would put a .10 fuse on the line to protect against a power spike.

    • @boba4
      @boba4 4 роки тому

      The fuses in a Mac are the most reliable components by far. I've seen Louis replace totally fried components right next to perfectly intact fuses many times.

  • @mikenelson6630
    @mikenelson6630 4 роки тому

    Great video - you have clearly stated the problem and laid out the facts for people, while stopping just short of finger pointing. It's easy to say "I hate this", "This is a bad design" or even "don't buy this", but to show the failure point while stressing the importance of backing up your data takes talent.

  • @MrKillswitch88
    @MrKillswitch88 4 роки тому

    Recovering data from the nand is possible but the tools needed are costly and so no one no shop is going to spend the thousands to pull off something like that. The software I used one semester was $5k a year and if one wanted to cheap out and use encase that would have been around $3k a year, the licenses are per machine x.x

  • @t0nito
    @t0nito 4 роки тому

    There is no life boat connector but are there the life boat lines you can tap in to?

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому

      If there is a T2 chip (2018 and newer) then there is no hope, as the data is encrypted (scrambled)

  • @4ryan42
    @4ryan42 4 роки тому +1

    A big part of the problem is the desire for ever thinner products. Having a connector for an M.2 drive takes up space, and limits how thin a product can get. Take out that connector and solder the NAND to the motherboard, and you can have a thinner machine, which is what the customer wants. Apple is not the only company doing this. All of the ultra thin laptops are soldering NAND to their motherboards to make them thinner. Laptop CPUs are no longer socketed for the same reason: those sockets increased the overall height of the motherboard. Same thing with RAM. The same logic applies to phones. No one wants a thick phone.
    Consumer demand for thin and sleek hardware is a big factor in killing repairability. And it's not going to change. People want a laptop that's only 1/2" thick, and lack of repair options is the price we are paying.

  • @hedydd2
    @hedydd2 4 роки тому +2

    Does the T2 chip also hinder repairs and recovery?

  • @circuitsandcigars1278
    @circuitsandcigars1278 4 роки тому +4

    I just watched the movie Jobs and I don't think a built in electric chair for a CPU is an innovation

    • @xheralt
      @xheralt 4 роки тому +1

      It's an innovation in marketing; great for selling new hardware!

  • @AfterAFashionASMR
    @AfterAFashionASMR 4 роки тому +6

    Damn this was a good video. So clear and informative. Thank you!

  • @peterarisz2150
    @peterarisz2150 4 роки тому +2

    Think soddering the non-volatile memory to the motherboard is a great idea, since it will never give any contact problems ever again. Coz i never had a contact-related memory error in my 35 years of IT.

    • @t0nito
      @t0nito 4 роки тому +3

      Are you sure about that? Bga chips are susceptible to solder ball cracking and not everyone is able to fix it, at least reliably, at least with slot memory you can clean the slot and reinstall or replace if needed to. Soldered storage is a terrible idea that should have never happened.

  • @SanderEvers
    @SanderEvers 4 роки тому +7

    Wait a minute... MacBook repair? Dit Louis turn into Jessa?

  • @jacksonjohnson9674
    @jacksonjohnson9674 Рік тому

    So, where does the lifeboat connector connect on the board and just solder in a make shift connector. ya, nah???

  • @vittoriosilva1454
    @vittoriosilva1454 4 роки тому

    A "crowbar" circuit would prevent that from happening .... a zener diode and a fuse ....

  • @norwayprod
    @norwayprod 4 роки тому

    You can get the data off if the T2 chip is working and you are able to put the machine into dfu. However it still requires access to AST2 to run the diagnostic suite which puts the machines T2 into targtet disk mode which is just stupid. I am not aware how the voltage rails are tied to the cpu compared to the T2, though I would think in most cases you should be able to get the T2 into DFU and just send it in to a AASP which has access to the tools to transfers the data off

  • @Mcvanilla83
    @Mcvanilla83 4 роки тому

    i never understood why they decided to soder on an ssd because the lifespan of an ssd is way shorter than an hdd due to the flash cells on it that cant be rewritten.

  • @BryanTorok
    @BryanTorok 4 роки тому +1

    So, what if she buys a used working Mac Book of the exact same type, then brings it to you so you can swap her memory chips into the working Mac Book? Of course it would be an expensive proposition, but she would also end up with a working laptop. And, a large portion of the cost could be justified by the fact that she is going to have to buy another laptop anyway to replace the dead one.

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому +1

      Problem: the data is encrypted thanks to the T2 chip
      and if you tried to swap the T2 chip as well, the T2 chip would know that the hardware is different, and may even prevent the MacBook from booting

    • @BryanTorok
      @BryanTorok 3 роки тому

      @@pineappleroadThat completely sucks. That's just another reason why I will never buy an Apple product.

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому

      @@BryanTorok and I've just found out something even worse about the new M1 MacBooks
      the encryption key is IN the M1 chip on those Macbooks
      so the chip which houses the encryption key will get zapped

    • @BryanTorok
      @BryanTorok 3 роки тому

      @@pineappleroad It is incredible the lengths that Apple will go to screw their customers for short term gain. It is even more incredible that said customer after being shafted will come back and buy the product again. My, admittedly old, Samsung Galaxy stores my data on a micro-sd card that I can remove and insert into another android device and read the data. It is a shame that many Android device manufacturers are following in Apples path of non-repairability.

  • @alphabasic1759
    @alphabasic1759 4 роки тому +1

    Do you mean storage or memory?.?

  • @donerickson1954
    @donerickson1954 4 роки тому

    Is it just the connector that is missing on the newer machines? Can you trace the connection points and solder the wires directly to those points to do the same thing?

  • @TheTascam56
    @TheTascam56 4 роки тому +1

    What is this lifeboat connector and where might one obtain the aforementioned item🤔

    • @runninggames771
      @runninggames771 4 роки тому +2

      If you watched the video, you would notice she said e b a y

    • @eivis13
      @eivis13 4 роки тому

      Random truck droping apple products (aka looting your local apple store).

  • @robertpolkamp
    @robertpolkamp 4 роки тому +2

    Isn't this the same MO as the iPhone 🤔, no removable or upgradeable storage? Essentially building one homologized proprietary hodgepodge of a laptop that will break and can't be fixed. Jessa, what percentage of iPhone 11/pro are unfixable or unrecoverable?

  • @boahneelassmal
    @boahneelassmal 4 роки тому +1

    Apple really seems to hate CPUs. The display connector which may send 52 angry little Voltairs to the cpu and this chip being able to overclock the cpu as well...

  • @andyalder7910
    @andyalder7910 4 роки тому

    How about transferring the SSD chip to a donor board? BGAs aren't impossible to remove and replace with hot air.

    • @ricardoelectronicsrepair
      @ricardoelectronicsrepair 4 роки тому +1

      Yes it can. But donor board is like buy a new macbooks and chances to remove the emmc without compromise is like 50:50

  • @Hi-Tech-Ray
    @Hi-Tech-Ray 4 роки тому +1

    This is why I would never move from my mid 2012 15” non retina model!

  • @jaybrooks1098
    @jaybrooks1098 4 роки тому

    Do you agree the 2016+ has horrible esd protection and other protection circuits?

  • @5L4P5T1CK
    @5L4P5T1CK 2 роки тому

    Hi Jessa, sorry for commenting on such an old thread, but I`d really love to get some further insight maybe :
    Do you have any idea, if the data on those motherboard-soldered ssds has a default encryption on it ?
    If not - it could be possible to build an external reader for those ssds so you can take them off and read the data externally. The required controller chips are available freely on the market, so it would basically just need someone to build a usb to ssd controller for those chips and you could take the ssd off and get the data...

  • @aronhegedus
    @aronhegedus 4 роки тому

    Sounds like a great ad for a backup drive

  • @johnwiesen4440
    @johnwiesen4440 4 роки тому

    I have Android Phones and Tablets, the one thing I like is they all have micro sd cards in them. I know the cards can go bad but all my data I want is backed up to my
    8 bay network drive with lots of redundancy in it, we now live in a digital times and we need to make sure that we can keep the data we want safe.

  • @miaudottk9080
    @miaudottk9080 4 роки тому

    Couldn't Louis Zhaomiaow a CPU on that board and save the data? (for enough money and no warranty of course)

  • @ultimatevidz9977
    @ultimatevidz9977 4 роки тому

    Which software are you using for schematics?

  • @Keyboardnut99
    @Keyboardnut99 4 роки тому +1

    Absolutely crazy design I have been dealing with Macs for years and this is getting mad !!!!

  • @andrewdoherty737
    @andrewdoherty737 4 роки тому +1

    Could have been prevented by the inclusion of a zener diode, cost of less than 1cent!

    • @TossACoinToYourWitcher
      @TossACoinToYourWitcher 4 роки тому

      This was exactly what was thinking. High quality products have this type of protection. This goes to show apple does not make high quality products. But fakes u into thing it is. Pretty does not mean quality. My HP laptop has this protection. If it fails I know my data is still safe and recoverable.

    • @BonelessEar
      @BonelessEar 4 роки тому

      That zener diode would probably double price of final product.

  • @johnsweda2999
    @johnsweda2999 4 роки тому

    Couldn't you unsolder the the memory chips place them on some blank SSD card you've taking the chips off? I'm sure the format is the same the wiring for both, what's stopping you unsoldering them and putting them on a blank card.? I don't see there is an issue.
    Ideally have sockets on a bank card so you can just pop them in

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 4 роки тому

      In the description, it was mentioned that it's encrypted.

  • @micbanand
    @micbanand 4 роки тому

    can you make a safety. in between the chip and cpu, like some inductors or? and what will it cost to proper secure it? and why is it not made more safe in the first place. makes me feel, like some sort of kill it after waranty ends :)

  • @MikeSmith-hy5rc
    @MikeSmith-hy5rc 4 роки тому

    Hey Jenna, do you think that Lifeboat tool has some special software/hardware requirements going on ? Because that connector might be just SATA/NVme header, but probably with some security software involved. Did anyone in the community take look at that ?

  • @TonyToneFixMyPhone
    @TonyToneFixMyPhone 4 роки тому

    Trying to play around with mine. I never seen mine work, probably bad unit : ( Mine fell to hard off the Apple truck.

  • @sourekpetr
    @sourekpetr 4 роки тому

    Where can I find these schematics?

  • @HardProduct
    @HardProduct 4 роки тому +1

    I still have my DELL M6800 Covet / 4930MX / GTX 980M 2 x 256GB SSD in RAID and external 5400rpm WD HDD in DVD slot. About a year ago my mainboard failed so I ordered a new one and changed it myself in total it took about one and a half hours of work. I have absolutely no idea why do ppl still buy macs in the first place I mean is it like a "status" thing or what? I didn't even know that there are macs without ANY FANS I literally found it out in your video no wonder these things blow up...
    Nice video!

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 4 роки тому

      I believe the main reason a lot of people choose Apple is for access to exclusive first and third party *software* not available outside of Apple platforms.

  • @theshadowman1398
    @theshadowman1398 4 роки тому

    This is why I can’t push myself to purchase the new Mac mini. Soldered storage. They completely lost it at Apple

  • @Johns690
    @Johns690 4 роки тому +1

    Is anybody else thinking the words "class action lawsuit"?!

  • @typingcat
    @typingcat 4 роки тому

    If that component is so easy catastrophically to destroy the whole system, why don't Apple put some kind of additional safety measures to it? Something like a physical non-conductive barrier between the two input pins?

  • @TheSiriusEnigma
    @TheSiriusEnigma 4 роки тому

    5:00 did Apple used a mosfett push and pull transistors pair to do a DC DC step down converter? And those clowns want to design an Arm chip?

  • @BensonWTFL
    @BensonWTFL Рік тому

    Why didn't the fuse break the circuit once the current goes beyond the CPU limit? , not rocket science.

  • @brunob8827
    @brunob8827 4 роки тому

    Can you recommend me some good ultrabook, new dell xps seems like ok computer, can you recommend it or something else in ultrabook category?

  • @TheFanOrTheMask
    @TheFanOrTheMask 4 роки тому

    why or why dont we just step down the voltage in the external psu to a workable safe voltage and not have very high rails on boards -

  • @G1ZQCArtwork
    @G1ZQCArtwork 4 роки тому

    Its not sodder, its solder. (SoL-der), ans its not baddery, its battery (baTTery).
    Apart from that, there are two types of computer user, those who back up their data, and those who wish they had backed up their data.
    Not a good idea to permanently soLder a drive in a computer, it makes it more difficult to remove, should you wish to sell, or pass on the machine.

  • @Broughman9
    @Broughman9 4 роки тому

    Has anyone got a schematic of the lifeboat socket so you know what pins etc go to where on the board? Therefore in extreme circumstances you could try to get the data back that way...? Yes I know the encryption etc on machines with T2 would be a problem. I guess another thing is, Microsoft bitlocker gives you a 64 character code/password so if you want to recover the drive in case of issues you can type it in and access the data. Why isn't apple offering the same kind of thing?

  • @kenfarlow1844
    @kenfarlow1844 4 роки тому

    Classic example of the smoke escaping. One dead voltage regulator.

  • @bubba19912
    @bubba19912 4 роки тому

    This is eye opening and your right they have to do better

  • @abhishekagarwal3524
    @abhishekagarwal3524 3 роки тому

    Hi - I have a 13 inch macbook 2017 model non touch bar. It all of a suddenly couldn't be started with power button. On showing it to the apple service center, they said logic board has failed and need to be replaced. On asking if ssd can be recovered, they said it cant be. I came across this video after searching in the net and feeling devastated. Not sure what to do.

    • @abhishekagarwal3524
      @abhishekagarwal3524 3 роки тому

      This was my first mac and i feel like they have done a fraud by doing this intentionally.

    • @bananaroad8708
      @bananaroad8708 3 роки тому

      it seems the model you have does have a removable SSD, however, the SSD is proprietary
      if you want to recover the data, the best way of doing it would be to get another laptop of the same model, and move the SSD across
      be aware that apple will not help you

  • @kwarkon1
    @kwarkon1 4 роки тому

    any chance to create your own connector , wire first PCie line (4 wires) , 3.3V, GND to a m.2 to PCIe adapter? There was a clkreq but on m.2 to pcie addapters it is usually grounded.

  • @OldieBugger
    @OldieBugger 4 роки тому

    Extreme overclocking, that's how they do it in Cupertino?

  • @GarryChoo
    @GarryChoo 4 роки тому +1

    Great video! I'm very happy with my 2012 cMBP and would never but a newer one! 😁

  • @czdot
    @czdot 4 роки тому +4

    Damn, I wish she taught me electronics in my trade school. Our teachers were utter crap at their job. They really put me off fo r the future. I have no idea how I finished high-school with a diploma.

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 4 роки тому +2

      This is now reminding me of college in 2014 where we were taught using outdated software instead of any current industry standards of the time.
      Don't even get me started on their student and staff database that maps names incorrectly! (full name mapped to first name, full stop for last name, instead of keeping the full name separate and having separate entries for first and last name)

  • @wil-fri
    @wil-fri 4 роки тому

    Wait? If we know the power source specs what prevent some people to design a piece/component to replace that component?

    • @sparkequinox
      @sparkequinox 3 роки тому +1

      The problem is the damage it causes by bridging as it fails.

  • @raulmorel1
    @raulmorel1 4 роки тому +3

    the hard part to tell is the other branches follow the steps apple. new technology is bs.

  • @HeiderSati
    @HeiderSati 4 роки тому

    Can't the Flash chips be integrated to another controller and read that way? I had a similar problem once with a laptop that I tried to fix for a friend of mine, the problem at the time was finding any info on the Toshiba Flash chipsets, if you have anything on those, I could assist you myself and help building up a device to extract this data, I hope I am making sense ?

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому +1

      if the MacBook has a T2 chip, then the data will be encrypted (scrambled)

    • @HeiderSati
      @HeiderSati 3 роки тому

      @@pineappleroad Thank you for your answer.

  • @Menaiya
    @Menaiya 4 роки тому

    Can the SSDs soldered be unsoldered and placed on the computer that does have that lifeboat?

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 4 роки тому

      As mentioned in the description, it's encrypted, presumably by the (dreaded) T2 chip.

  • @ubuntupokemoninc
    @ubuntupokemoninc 4 роки тому

    Why the hell would they not put a crow bar circuit in that dc dc converter??!! That is such poor design...

  • @selmaave9145
    @selmaave9145 Рік тому

    Apple only attaches storage drives like this so that they can charge you a premium for larger capacity when you purchase the Macbook. If you can upgrade the drive yourself, you don't need to pay Apple to do it.

  • @ppr824
    @ppr824 4 роки тому

    Very informative video...I absolutely enjoyed every minute of it Please keep them coming

  • @Spelter
    @Spelter 3 роки тому

    But wait, cant you solder the nand chips onto a new board and try it there ?

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому

      To my knowledge the data is encrypted, so transferring the nand chips would not be an option, as the encryption key would be different (and if you were to try, the data would just be scrambled even more when the computer tries to decrypt the data, although this should not damage the data)

    • @Spelter
      @Spelter 3 роки тому

      @@pineappleroad if the key is in the Bios chip, you would have to solder that too to the new board. But when you can decrypt the data and rescue it, it's worth the work.

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому

      @@Spelter The keys are held within the T2 security chip, I do not know if it is possible to transfer this chip to a new device

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому

      @@Spelter Just did a search, and it seems as though the T2 chip CAN prevent the MacBook from booting if it detects anything has changed with the hardware

    • @Spelter
      @Spelter 3 роки тому

      @@pineappleroad Wow, that really sucks. Thanx for the info, if I ever have a customer with such a problem, I wont try my luck.

  • @PebblesChan
    @PebblesChan 4 роки тому

    Sorry but, high voltage does not equal high power. MOSFET switches as those shown as faulty are an important part of switching power supplies. Our quest for faster and faster speeds require designs to use such components.

    • @JessaJones
      @JessaJones  4 роки тому

      I’d argue that when you are soldering the data to the board a 1 cent fuse to protect the cpu from an extremely common “accident” is not unreasonable.

    • @PebblesChan
      @PebblesChan 4 роки тому

      Hi Jessa,
      I love your stuff that you publish.
      A fuse wouldn't work because the damage is caused by the CPU's exposure to the higher voltage.
      The voltage conversion "Magic" as you call it is done by the MOSFET switch, downstream inductor and capacitors, the feedback from the output to the switching regulator and the switching regulator. Roughly explained, the power from the power supply is dumped into the downstream inductor and then turned off. This allows the inductor's magnetic field to collapse to charge up the capacitors. The voltage across these capacitors fed back to the switching regulator via the feedback resistors and if there isn't enough voltage present the switching regulator repeats the cycle and dumps another blast of power into the inductor and allowing it to be discharge. If the desired voltage is reached the input power remains disconnected. This process is repeated very quickly (at kilocycles) to present the desired DC(ish) voltage at the output. This principle can be used to both boost or lower voltages efficiently.
      The MOSFET switch could be prevented to be permanently turned on from its gate input but that wouldn't protect against a MOSFET failure to the drain voltage. Switching regulators can also work in reverse where a lower voltage can be turned into a higher voltage that would be less efficient, use more components and use more valuable PCB space in this case because the Notebooks are generally powered by 19V power bricks.
      The omission of component failure mitigation is often an engineering and fiscal risk because it adds cost, size and weight.
      ESD damage is a common cause of MOSFET switch and component failure. It is a myth that such components are protected once they have been soldered into a circuit. It just takes 20 volt of induced ESD to cause damage and ESD ranges to tens of Kilovolts. The damage is often accumulative with the failure occurring much later and unexpectedly.
      For the workshop, ESD precautions are simple and inexpensive. All one needs to do is dissipate static electricity slowly either using the equivalent of 1 megohm resistors and or ion generators (both positive and negative ions to equalise the charge).
      When transporting electrical subassemblies, ESD shielding and not dissipation is used. It is expected that accumulated static is properly dissipated at the destination.

  • @brewedawakening6577
    @brewedawakening6577 4 роки тому +1

    Actually the first computer invented was way before Steve Jobs. We can all blame Adam N' Eve for this mess. They had the first computer, it was an Apple, but the damn thing had a very low memory, only I byte, n' that's all it took. Adam told Eve to leave it alone, but she started messing around with it anyway and the whole thing just crashed.

    • @AlexFlockhart
      @AlexFlockhart 4 роки тому

      Sounds like Eve was the issue there. I dont see that Adam and Steve did anything wrong.

  • @samiam5326
    @samiam5326 4 роки тому

    My mid-2009 17" MBP's hard drive just died. Can the data be recovered?

  • @Lioncycles
    @Lioncycles 4 роки тому

    What Mac models have the "Life Boat" connector?

    • @Lioncycles
      @Lioncycles 4 роки тому

      I work on Apple computers myself and often like to have such technology, that’s why I want to know what devices have the light belt and what don’t

  • @punisherpr
    @punisherpr 4 роки тому

    I love your work! Thanks for this!

  • @JustFixItGoldCoast
    @JustFixItGoldCoast 4 роки тому

    Love this. I show all my clients your videos and Louis Rossman when they tell me they are considering buying a Mac because a friend told them they were easier to use and more secure. Like Nope.

  • @ArchangelApollo
    @ArchangelApollo 4 роки тому

    Given what U7960 does, shouldn't that be PPBUS Hot Shit CPU? Or have I been watching too much Louis? =P

  • @hateercenor
    @hateercenor 4 роки тому

    A simple zener would prevent this issue but saved 10 cents on the BOM.

  • @eniac22
    @eniac22 4 роки тому

    If you transfer the memory disk chips from bad macbook to a same working macbook?

    • @pineappleroad
      @pineappleroad 3 роки тому

      Its almost as if the T2 chip was designed to prevent you from being able to do that
      The storage is encrypted, and the T2 chip holds the encryption key (or in the case of an M1 MacBooks, the key is held in the M1 processor chip as there is no T2 chip)
      and the T2 chip can detect hardware changes and possibly keep the computer from booting if it doesn't like something about the hardware

  • @mgeorge003
    @mgeorge003 4 роки тому

    But what happened when you turned it on? Don't leave us hanging. Did the repair job work? Also, I promise I won't buy a new MacBook until Apple get's it together.

  • @jimrosesadventureinmanilap715
    @jimrosesadventureinmanilap715 4 роки тому +5

    It seems to me.. Mac is on a sure side mission... In the last couple years.. Consumers need to be more educated... When buying computer products... Thank you for your video...

    • @personalview7388
      @personalview7388 4 роки тому

      Approach does not work. You can't educate everyone about everything they buy or will do. It is limited time in each day :-)
      Such thing in solved with turning enemy (any big capitalist company looking for profit) into friend who make products that filfull your needs. And it is extra hard task.

  • @rosetta7862
    @rosetta7862 4 роки тому

    So if the data is really important, is it possible to just buy another macbook of the same model on ebay and use the CPU in it to do a CPU swap? (or maybe swap the NANDs and controller)

    • @yafilmDOTcom
      @yafilmDOTcom 4 роки тому +1

      A modern-day CPU has so many pins, SO MANY that properly micro soldering it without a blob joining together with neighboring pads would be torturous, probably near impossible. That would probably require one of those very expensive reballing machines, I think I saw one like for $300,000 USD many months ago, probably a significantly cheaper one could be had with very basic functions, but the idea would be to perfectly align the pads to match the generation of the CPU to reball it. She could probably get an EIDL loan to buy one and then do the CPU swap and then be able to recover data from these types of problems.

    • @ricardoelectronicsrepair
      @ricardoelectronicsrepair 4 роки тому +1

      replace cpu is very laborious if cpu comes from donor not new. And intel amd not selling them to public directly like old days (socket cpu). Swap emmc to another's board is very risky too, i dont wants to buy new mainboard that very expensive with that risk and If it fail make customer data recovery is impossible.

  • @vmadugolkar
    @vmadugolkar 4 роки тому

    Apple has done that for the functionality of T2 chip security.

  • @PeterEmery
    @PeterEmery 4 роки тому

    Sodder?