Outrage Over Vietnamese Pho Video
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2016
- People are really upset about a guy white-splaining Vietnamese Pho. Cenk Uygur, Kim Horcher, Ben Mankiewicz, and Michael Brooks, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below. www.tytnetwork.com/join
“A video about Vietnamese noodle soup pho has Bon Appétit in some pretty hot water.
On Wednesday afternoon, Bon Appétit posted a video featuring Tyler Akin, a chef at Philadelphia-based Vietnamese pho restaurant Stock. In the video - which Bon Appétit has since deleted because of the overwhelmingly negative reaction - Akin speaks about his philosophy on pho, which included telling those who eat pho how to eat it properly, which includes not adding Sriracha or hoisin sauce to the broth.
Commenters inundated the video with a range of criticisms - some lighthearted, some more serious.”
Read more here: mic.com/articles/153733/bon-a...
Hosts: Cenk Uygur, Kim Horcher, Ben Mankiewicz, Michael Brooks
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The chick said he didn't respect the FOOD, you don't have to respect food....wtf
Yes you do. Food has feelings to. If you're a white male, food is higher on the progressive stack than you. So is a rock.
don't think it's the food. it's the culture that created it.
noodles gonna bitch slap you for that. put some respek on them
Food and rocks are higher than you, but it has nothing to do with you being a white male.
I don't get it but I get the sense there is an angle to it I am missing because I am not from their culture to see that perspective. I have not seen the video and many of the hosts talking about it here have not seen it either so i'm inclined to believe they have a legitimate reason why the video got so much hate from so many people. Its a little weird that they didn't try to get more details from Kim in this video about why people are offended....her body language is screaming that she disagrees with the other hosts.
What's all the outrage pho?
you win... everyone else please stop for the rest of the day. lol
Pho realz
NoNameTheFirst Pho shizzle
+Joe David this is Pho my nizzies!
you win
When TYT claims they aren't SJW's *Cringe*
Congrats idiot for not watching the video and jumping straight to the comments section.
You might want to step out of your basement and actually watch the video, neckbeard bro.
But 3 people thought it was ridiculously stupid...All the TYT members thought it was completely stupid.
Take off back to /pol/
+Jonathan Gutierrez They're still highlighting the subject and bringing it to attention. They are SJWs for enabling this shit to even become a debate.
You neglected to say what the problem is with the video, specifically.
I think they are performing a test on the audience
what happened in it
its just #LoserTYT opinion pushing.
Yes. The entire piece is about public opinion. Glad you worked that out.
Haha yes exactly
This shouldn't even be a problem
Yeah... but I do want some pho now, but I would have liked to be able to watch the video that guy made. People need to stop being such bitches.
+DragonCharlz I've seen it and he basically explained it as the other Vietnam chefs did there are lots of videos on it
+DragonCharlz try the Munchies episode
Yeah, this looks like another attempt to demonize white people.
Why couldn't they find a Vietnamese guy who knows everything about pho to make the video????
to Social Justice Warriers: Please stop
Why are you so obsessed with identity politics, that you make a conversation about food a case & point for your micdrop on those darn SJWs.
+Poketto Social justice is any ideology, not an identity like black or women.
Politically_Mindless _ You've given new meaning to this vernacular, and it's preventing you from conveying your ideas.
Let it put it this way: You're using a political compass as your display picture. This represents your ideology, but you're using it to identify yourself and your beliefs.
Identity politics, as it were, is a catch-all used to describe the back-and-forth regarding given names and terms, which is specifically what you're doing here with our disagreement over the use of SJW. It's a prime example of identity politics.
Who do you think were the ones complaining? SJWs! See the one who complained about the Lyft driver's decorations?
DragonCharlz "See the one who complained about the Lyft driver's decorations?"
What does this have to do with anything, besides you taking in anti-SJW information and weaving a narrative?
I really enjoy that Kim doesn't get in on the bro-ness.
i thought the same thing!
I thought she looked stuck up. no fun
Lol yeah she looked like she had completely opposing views but too scared to really say it since she was the only one..
you guys are projecting, didn't see that at all
Don't like her. Not that it matters to anyone. Just don't like her.
I am chinese and you don't see me ranting about america making a mutated version of our food known fondly as "Chinese Take-Out."
and I love America's version of chinese take-out. Hilarious substitute.
i think you just did complain about it...
albeit passive agressively.
It's not "America", most chinese restaurants here are opened by immigrants.
The majority of Chinese take out restaurants are owned by Chinese though.
Chinese-American food was invented by Chinese people based on American market demands. Ex: lots of sugar, lots of oil, lots of sauce, deep fried, etc.
kim is real soft spoken but still articulate. it's real nice.
Her voice shakes like she's nervous as pho-k
Agreed and she is so beautiful as well! I hope that she will be on TYT more!
Sub to Nerd Alert if you dig Kim as a host and geek/nerd stuff!
She's the host of NerdAlert. If you watch that channel you'll see more of her. :-)
I bet she moan real loud though :)
Oh hell, these people need to start caring about real problems and quit whining about non problems.
mhmmmm.....2016, the year people get offended by a guy talking about soup
its ACTUALLY about race and culture
***** yes.....but....the video wasnt about soup
hahaha...a Seinfeld reference
To put in perspective, this "a guy" is not some random guy, but a chief, a cook. It's not like he's gotta cook a gazillion kinds of dishes... only a few. And one of the few dishes he makes is Pho. Yet he doesn't have time at least to learn that it is COMMON among Pho eaters to have Sriracha and Hoisin sauce in the dish. Next he's gonna tell that you shouldn't eat Sushi with Wasabi and Soy Sauce... does this get any more stupid?
Uta Hiro he's talking traditionally.
not day to day.
It's a soup heavily influenced by French Cuisine. It's even argued that the name is derived from french. There is no such thing as cultural appropriation.
Sure, but it isn't a new kind of ramen.
the video doesn't suggest it's a "new kind of ramen". It's a common turn of phrase like "orange is the new black" or "tacos are the new pizza". It's making the claim that this "new thing" is now supplanting the popularity of this "other thing" that was once very popular. IOW ramen is very popular in the US and it looks like Pho is becoming just as popular if not more so.
Who said it was cultural appropriation? I thought people were just complaining about him not knowing how to eat it.
yeah i dont get it. Every culture has borrowed from other cultures but if its done after 2015 its considered cultural appropriation. I would consider it complementary if someone loved food from my culture so much that they chose to eat it often, study and learn about it. Any aspect of my culture i couldnt care less if someone tried to copy it.
I've seen a couple of other articles around the web saying such. The TYT coverage is actually not as over the top as the other stuff out there. And this poor dudes restaurant is getting all this crap from yelpers over literally like 5 questions asked by Bon Apetit. Pretty terrible for something so minor.
I'm confused why people downvoted this--did they watch it? Cenk is super reasonable and responds in a very anti-SJW way. He even says "America culturally appropriates things, that's why it is awesome."
A lot of people have knee jerk responses to TYT's videos on these PC subjects so they don't give the video in full a fair assessment. But I've found TYT to be pretty reasonable the majority of the time.
Totally agreed OHP. Occasionally they'll go a little too SJW, and a lot of their video titles imply outrage, but usually their response is a lot more moderate and is usually like "Well, it is slightly a problem, but whatever, get over it"
Last time I checked Cenk wasn't the only one on this panel...
I couldn't finish this video because it was so outrageously bad. Their token Asian guest (DEFINITELY not a complete coincidence), Cenk's rant that took him forever to get to a not-very-relevant point about how he's thick skinned, the crappy jokes.
TL;DR they should let Ben talk more.
+XBlueM0ndayX she's not a guest. She works as a commentator for tyt. It was most likely her story.
I watched the video and I have no fking clue why people are offended. And now all the trailer park regressives/conservatives are going to point fingers at liberals for no apparent reason, roflmao.
MoppyPuppy Liberalism isn't a thing. It's just a term created by crazy old conservatives who wanted to put all progressive thinking people in one category. But I will admit that there are some people who are too entitled.
i dont get it either
MoppyPuppy Nope. You did that. I did not say all conservatives were "crazy and old". But the few(?) how have created the term to categorize all progressive thinkers are crazy and probably old.
lmao watch a white person make a video about budaejigae made with unfermented kimchi, srircha instead of gochujang, walmart steak instead of spam/hotdog and all you korean kids will get triggered like 9000
+moppypuppy Here's the thing though that crazy "sect" is controlling the party (even before trump) to combat each other both parties started pushing more extreme ideas in a way to brand themselves. The right puts these ideas into people who otherwise would be far more tolerable take my uncle for example he's a white republican blue collar worker who happened to marry my aunt who's liberal and black. Every Time we have a family get together he can't help but say some racist shit in front of my whole family just because he doesn't know any better.
if you can't show the video you're talking about, then what's the point of the segment??
Pho is _soooooo_ good. I had it for dinner earlier tonight.
Nummins! :)
Racist!
Oh, you should hear what I have to say about curry!
thanks, we asians appreciate it
You better not dare to be white.
Depends...if one's ancestry is mixed to the point of only needing Asian and Slavic to get the set, how white would you consider that? :)
9:54 Kim's looking at them like you're totally minimizing the situation. 🙄
I dont understand the heck why there is an outrage about the question but not the about the outrage by over-proud Vietnamese.
I am a Vietnamese, and I don't put the black or red sauce into the soup at all. (but I do just it for dipping the meatball though). I think it is normal that people ask, and the cook actually asked a very valid question. His opinion is quite valid: putting the sauce into the soup just "de-tastes" the flavor.
I feel u
I don't understand the point of putting sauce in soup regardless of which culture it's from; pho, udon, chicken noodle, clam chowder... It's soup, not a burger or chips. The broth in the soup is supposed to be the "sauce."
Maybe it's a Hmong thing. Everyone here (except me) uses hoisin and sriracha, and all the pho restaurants are owned by Hmong immigrants.
Food represents cultures so if a person disrespects a countries for they are also disprespecting their culture
Long duk dong lol u mad cuz u don't have culture???
I feel so bad that Kim had to sit through that.
"how to eat pho properly, which includes not adding Sriracha or hoison sauce to the broth." hmm, I'm Vietnamese and we have always added both
for real, and why does the restaurant give it to you if you arent supposed to use it?
So I'm not Vietnamese and I add hoisin sauce to the broth because my viet friend did it. I just copied her but maybe because she's westernized too? I don't know.
+bs4e no. In Vietnam most pho places also provide hoisin sauce and sriracha at every table. You don't have to put it in, but lots of people do. I've always done it. My parents do it, and they're far from "westernized," and they also come from different regions of Vietnam, yet they still eat pho pretty much the same way. Talk about how to eat banh xeo then we might get into an argument lol
The chef is not wrong at all. The quality of Pho broth is different from one restaurant to another. We have to taste the broth first and then we adjust it to our personal taste. But the title is offensive though and white people just discover and enjoy our food trying to teach us the correct way (at least wrote by Bon Appetit) is a faux pas. Another thing is American public think our Pho and its name are from French "pot au feu". First off, anyone knows how Chinese "hu tieu" is cooked and its ingredients. I myself find our Pho is much more similar and closest to Hu Tieu. About the name, I think it derives from Cantonese word "Phanh". It seems that French people like to take credit for our national dish.
Exactly!
Got to agree with Cenk here ... Its all blown out of proportions
Lol my family is super traditional Viet and my parents are always telling me it's like a sin to eat Phở without Hoisin sauce and Sriracha. 😂
that's stupid. you only use hoisin sauce and hot sauce if you want to, or because the broth is not good enough
No cheese on Italian pizza??? WTF is Cenk talking about? The Italian margherita pizza HAD mozzarella since the late 1800's!
She knew what she was talking about and looked like she felt direspected at a point herself.
I'm Vietnamese and i dont care the right way or not to eat our food.
If we're supposed to be a melting pot then don't act like we're a salad bowl.
I just saw the video. It's still easily found online. This chef repeats about two dozen times that this is how he personally likes to eat his pho, and he explains why he likes it that way. He then ends up the video with the explicit disclaimer: "That's my approach; that's not the only way. The beauty of pho is like you can do it however you want..."
It's just food! There's no wright or wrong way to eat food, u take it with ur hand or the tools u use, put it in ur mouth and eat it!
I'll grab a chip (put it in my mouth) and EAT IT!
+Ronel Bassatt Nooooooooo!
Food represents culture...so if you disrespect a countries food you are disrespecting their culture..
+pwizzle 214 Like I said it's just FOOD! I eat food however I want, there is no right or wrong way to eat food. If u don't like how I eat it screw u. I don't care what country comes from I'll take it and I'll EAT IT!
I hate parmesian cheese, I think it tastes like vomit. Do I hate Italy now?
I live in Korea and I've seen so many monstrosities of Western food here. I'm not outraged. They don't obviously can't do European food 100% authentic. Same goes vice versa.
Same with the people that made that video, they didnt mean to hurt anyone, they juat didn't happen to the "ins and outs" of Vietnamese cuisine.
They just appreciate another culture's food. They might not get it perfect.
I've seen way too many comments here saying that what he did is on par with rape. It's truly terrifying that a sizeable number of people think this way... For example: Jessicia VVV30 minutes ago
White cultural imperialism knows no boundaries. Imagine something being taken from you only to be sold back to you. I can't understand why is it even legal for white dudes to appropriate every culture like that. Cultures should be treated as intellectual property and white dudes profiteering on cultural theft should face repercussions.
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+Deathmachine513 Are you sure those people aren't just trolling? There are a lot of trolls here saying shit just to stir things up and to get people go at each other.
Koreans don't claim to be authority on fake western food. White people do that shit ALL the time.
I understand your argument, but there's something that's lost in context when we're talking about two distinct cultures. I lived in Korea for about a year, I understand what you mean, and I'm not saying I actually do agree with how people are reacting to the video. I'm just trying to point out that there needs to be a little bit of perspective here.
If a Korean studied German or Polish cuisine and decided to make a video about it. Would it be cultural appropriation because he's not white?
ana looks different
It's like Guliver's Travels and the Liliputans whom were tiny people whom had a war about how eggs ought to be eaten.
this doesn't matter. he's a chef who made a video about how he makes a dish. done.
there's no need pho that!
Original video for those who can't find it: www.amazon.com/Pho-Is-the-New-Ramen/dp/B01LOX73YM
And the tl;dr for those who don't even want to watch the two minute clip: it's blown out of proportion.
The guy is a Pho chef who was complaining about how he wants his customers to eat his Pho; and what he believes is proper etiquette. It's typical haute cuisine pretentiousness. Not racism or appropriation.
That's what people are throwing a hissyfit about? Really? It's almost like people go out of their way to be offended...
I have no clue what other people's problem is with this video but any chef that is so stuck up that they think that their customers should have the same preferences in seasoning as them is a pretentious dick. I'll stick with pizza delivery and not having some high and mighty cook who thinks too much of themself judging me because I love to bury it in garlic and crushed peppers.
Thanks for posting this BTW, although I'm still confused about how this could be an issue. The people complaining must be as obnoxious as this cook.
Thanks for the link. There's even a nasty comment or two. It's a chef who wants people to taste a broth that he worked hard on before putting in other ingredients. He wasn't putting people down or making racist comments. I wonder if he looked more Asian if he would have gotten the nasty comments. I seriously don't understand what's wrong with people these days.
tyt, why is sound quality always impossible with you guys? I have to hold my phone to my phocking face to hear anything!
I'm of Irish heritage and the first time I saw a loaded baked potato I was triggered! How dare people appropriate my cultural identity and cover it with delicious bacon, chives and cheese, the nerve!
I love that most people disliking didn't even watch the video ^^ ... Cenk doesn't find it offensive, but you are all making jokes about him being a SJW..Wtf.. I think most right wingers just look at the headline and dislike afterwards .. How intelligent!
This news sucks guys
"news"
its COMMENTARY not news. get a dictionary.
So does your profile pic, but no one was talking shot so stfu...
Yes, I forgot that TYT can't get any criticism whatsoever. So super sorry super fans.....
I am Vietnamese and I put hot sauce and hoisin sauce in the soup.
"Hey, see this thing this culture has been eating since like ever? I just discovered it, now I'm better than you."
Which no-one said. Btw... pho is a relatively new dish in Vietnamese cuisine. It hasn't been eaten since "like ever."
To me this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Is pho the new ramen is like asking if chocolate is the new peanut butter. But to be honest as far as the offense, it really speaks to a wider thing; white people don't understand Asia and it's many amazing aspects, nor do they care to. Too exotic to understand for many.
The Ramen Rater
I feel you are uniquely qualified to speak on this subject
kim is thr only person I've heard pronounce pho right.
You can hear the nervousness and shake in her voice. She needs some confidence. Also, words are spelled stupidly. Garage Known Wednesday Island
If someone has only ever read a word and pronounces it wrong that's like being mad at a toddler for not filing their own taxes. They are incomprehensible with the given information.
Actually, she's NOT pronouncing it correctly. I mean technically, if we are to grade her on phonetically speaking the word, sure... BUT, there is much more complexity into pronouncing Pho. You actually have to use a soft "F" sound and curl your tongue back when making the "O" sound, so your tongue should feel like you're speaking an "R" sound. So, although you're saying a "Fah-j" sound, your tongue is being held back like it would be during an "R" sound, unlike a "Fah" sound, where there is no tension holding your tongue. So, instead of saying "Fo" or "Fah" it should be more like "Fauh-j."
But maybe she's speaking it the French way... I know nothing about French Pho. FYI, there are apposing accounts to Pho's origin, so maybe she's saying it right from the French perspective.
Fat as hell? What are you talking about?
+Daniel Larini hahaha
Howard Lockwood I was pronouncing it the french way my whole life,thanks for the info!
Ramen (literally translated as pulled noodles in chinese), are the hosts refering to the chinese original or the japanese or korean version or the product also known as instant soup noodles?! They all are pretty distinct styles of noodles dishes where the only similarity is that they usually come with a broth and some form of noodles.
I saw the video that was taken down... he literally states "you can eat it how ever you want", just that some chefs take it personally if you just pour sriracha all over it without even tasting it first. Like if you go out for a nice stake dinner and immediately pour ketchup all over your steak in front of the chef without even tasting it. The "outrage" over this video is pure racism. They are claiming that because he is white, he has no right to talk about Asian food. Skin color is irrelevant! For all these racists know, this "white" guy was born and raised in Vietnam. These "SWJ" are making judgements and generalizations about a person based solely on the color of his skin. Sounds similar to how an other 3 letter acronym group treats people. Here it is: nextshark.com/tyler-akin-pho-stock-video/
Thanks for providing the video.
But Taco Bell isn't Mexican food, it's TexMex.
You know Texas was mexico right...
GmoneyStylez
I said it because that is what your comment is, moronic. Also I NEVER said you were a moron, I said your comment is moronic. There's a difference. TexMex is American-Mexican blend. You're acting like it's Mexican because texas was part of mexico. It's a stupid comment. A lot of texmex was created by white people. Your point is like saying New York was owned by England at one point so New York food is English. That is the same logic you're using. Texmex is NOT Mexican food. It's American food based on Mexican. There is a huge difference.
shinmusashi44 I suppose so. Oh wow can you believe it? A person actually changing their mind over a UA-cam comment, amazing right. See now that you took the time to explain yourself through conversation "you know the thing that the comment section is for" i see that my point was weak and mostly wrong. And yes you may have not called me a moron directly but you did question my process of thought in a condescending way. Which does nothing but further the ignorance. You may be right, but you don't have to be a dick a bout it.
yeah, I was also gonna add that texmex is influenced more by northern mexican regional food, which is in many cases quite different than other regional foods. My mom who is from Guadalajara had never heard of burritos until she ate one in Ciudad Juarez (a bordertown)
I don't understand why this is supposed to be offensive. "It's the new ramen!" "Oh, so you're saying there's only room for one Asian noodle?" 'The new' whatever is just a common saying about everything. "Orange is the new black!" "Are you saying there's only room for one color? I'm so fucking mad!"
You don't understand why people are offended? It's simple: the person in the video is white, and the people who are offended are racists.
thisscreensucks
So do you think it is an example of "cultural appropriation" or are you just annoyed because he didn't "celebrate a culture" properly?
B4TT3RY neither?
im just trying to understand why people might feel that way.
its called empathy
thisscreensucks Don't you know that they m call an up and comer in a field "the new" whatever- the new Bill Gates, the new Coco Chanel, the new Beatles for musicians- all the time? It doesn't spark protests and usually is received as a compliment. No one gives a fuck. But we're talking about food, not personal achievements. Pho is not going to be offended because you detracted from it's noodle-y achievements by comparing it to some other noodle. And who the fuck is offended by on behalf of a noodle? Look, if some distinctly American-identified cuisine was compared to another popular American related food trend- like someone in the UK called a new appetizer item "the new buffalo wings", would you be like, "that's an insult to my culture! How dare you stereotype us!" ? I presume you would not.
thisscreensucks
Then you're not a racist like the people complaining about this.
It's mainly one thing he mentioned in the video: That's if you don't do it his way, then you are offending the chef. This clearly indicates that his way is the right way, and if you do it any other way, then you are being offensive and inconsiderate to the chef - which is far from truth.
He is taking a lot of the Ramen elements and mistakenly applying it to Pho. It would have been fine if he just shared his take, but he set a tone in which his way is the correct way.
That's my main problem with that video. He was essentially saying that everyone who has been eating pho has been disrespectful to the chef - which shows a huge misunderstanding of what Pho is all about.
The biggest sadness from this is that there will now be people who believe him and will not enjoy pho the way it was meant to - anyway you like, but instead try to follow his rules out of what the misguided perception that it is respectful to the chef.
My Vietnamese friend who is a savvy business owner said, "good, more people know about pho. More customers for me".
to quote Jeb "Give me a break!"
Now, please clap
She's Ana 2.0
You mean Ana x 2.. She's twice the size of Ana. A big bitch
you're the dumbest.
I like her the way she is.She's beautiful.
What do we need to do to make it legal to punch someone in the face if they use a term like "post-Racial"?
That poor girl look so fed up with those guys they acted like complete morrones, it was hard to watch
The video was taken down before I could see it, but comments about it were overwhelmingly in one direction: he's white. That is the objection. And those who have seen the video say that the chef specifically said, "this is how I like to eat pho. There are many ways to enjoy pho". Someone even pointed out a video made by a Vietnamese chef and his son which was basically the identical advice that the white guy gave.
What people got offended by was that he was white. Pure and simple.
Tacos don't have cheese! Stop putting cheese on everything, dammit!
Incorrect. I ordered some tacos just the other day at Taco Bell, and they had cheese, therefore: some tacos have cheese.
P.S. They were delicious, and then I had the shits.
+rjdulac Yes. And grilled onion, topped with some spicy salsa and some lemon n salt. This is the only way to eat a taco!
+only half bad 333 I use mozzarella. :-)
Is that really true?
Sure. Go ahead and eat tacos without cheese. Specifically tell the cashier not to put cheese on your tacos. Simple. Just don't go around telling everyone how to "correctly" eat tacos.
I saw the video, I'm vietnamese, I found nothing wrong with the way he explained it lol. Even in vietnam everyone eats pho very differently. He used a lot of the universal techniques if you really want to call it that.
My first ever disliked video on this channel :/
The big issue was that the title of the video was blatantly "This is the CORRECT way to make this dish that is not in any way part of our culture!". See, Pho is Vietnamese comfort food-- if I were to translate the video to my own race, I'd be hella taken aback if someone made a video trying to tell me how to make fried chicken, grits, etc. It's our comfort food. It's part of our culture. The issue everyone is taking is not with the fact that they're making the dish or showing a different way to make the dish, it's that their approach was totally pretentious and off-putting.
Their issue is that a white person ate noodles and that offends them. They're racists.
+B4TT3RY
I'm an asian dude and the video didn't offend me. It did annoy me that he implied that the "correct" way to eat Pho was with no sauce. Funny since I know plenty of Vietnamese folks who eat it with sauce. That's why the sauce is offered in every Pho restaurant. It didn't matter what ethnicity the chef was.
But hey, it's easier to take the few extremists and point at them and pretend that everyone is "hatin' on whitey".
Gnomesmusher
Dude, I never said "everyone is hating on whitey" I very explicitly was referring to the racists who were complaining about cultural appropriation.
B4TT3RY Well you're really quick to call them racists when all they said was that maybe some outsider shouldn't be telling others, especially the people whose culture this specific food comes from, what the "correct" way to eat that food is.
***** gotta have sugar in em or I'm not eating either :)
Cenk's shirt speaks to his ego.
Cool opinion.
Or it speaks to their marketing? Gotta sell shirts, wear a shirt
That shirt has been around for years now..
He's winning with that ego. It's tremendous!
Im sorry but I just don't get it, without seeing the video I can't even understand why anybody would be upset about white male explaining vietnamenes pho.
Because SJWs are racists that get upset when a white guy does anything other than get on his knees and beg for forgiveness.
Try searching for any group that has the terms (or conjugations thereof) "intersectionality," "feminism," "pro-PoC" or anything in that vein in its title or description.
*****
It's easy to be an SJW, you don't have to sign up for it anywhere. All you have to do is judge people based on factors they can't control like their skin color and gender, and demand everybody follow rules that you don't have to follow yourself.
Read the article in the description.
just like Alt right people get upset when Black Americans talk about police brutality.
Technically, there is a right way to eat pho, but why the craziness. People just want to be pissed off about shit
Kim needed to take a bigger lead on this video instead of letting them turn it into a joke fest.
im guessing she brought the issue to the show, so she really needed to led and inform. explain why this was an issue
I don't have a problem with a white guy talking about pho. I have a problem with a white guy telling people "the proper way" to eat pho, when there is not "proper" way to eat it. I hate douche bag, hipsters who try to inflate their self importance by eating "ethnic" food and then telling people completely wrong information about it. If you want to enjoy food for the sake of enjoying food, awesome! But don't claim it's a hot new trend when Vietnamese restaurants have been serving pho in various American communities for decades. It might not be racist, but it is super pretentious and annoying. Imagine a Canadian person claiming "McDonalds is the new Tim Horton's" and instructing his viewers the proper way to consume a Big Mac. It's not racist, it's just dumb as hell.
Except he didn't give "wrong information"? His "proper" way of eating pho was to have it however you like. How is that restrictive or pretentious at all? I don't think you know enough about the dish to know whether the chef in question was correct or not. Literally everyone in Vietnam would agree with everything said in the video.
You're right, I'm not Vietnamese and I've never been to Vietnam. My experience of pho is limited to eating at the Vietnamese restaurants in the DC area. But I've never been made to feel like I'm eating pho incorrectly when eating there. People take my money and I get soup. That's part of why I like pho in the first place. It's not fussy, you just eat it and enjoy it. The clip of the video that I saw showed the guy saying not to put Sriracha or Hoison sauce in pho. I think that's ridiculous considering if that's not how you're "supposed to eat it" then why are those condiments there on the table in the first place? Are we also not be putting basil or lime in it as well? Is that just a mind game to see "who's not eating it correctly"? If he personally doesn't like those sauces and prefers the broth as is, then fine but he could have clarified that's his personal preference rather than the better way to enjoy pho. That's what I found pretentious. If you are not personally offended, great. I think videos like that are annoying. That's my perspective.
xZeru001x Some times I live to put stuff in my soup and sometimes I don't. Unless I'm sick or having seasonal allergies, I like adding chillis and basil to my soup. If that's not how everybody does it, then cool, but if it's on the table and I feel like throwing it in, I take it. Sometimes the broth is great on it's own but sometimes it's not. The clip that I saw of the video (because I can't see the whole thing since it was taken down) didn't make it clear he was expressing just his personal preference. In which case, it's similar to how most food critics advise to taste a dish before adding additional seasoning because it's supposedly an insult to the chef if you don't taste it before seasoning. Most of the pho places I've been to are cafeteria, very informal places that I don't think care how people eat the soup as long as they pay in cash.
If you truly watched the video and listened to his message, there should have been absolutely nothing controversial about what he said. It's unfortunate that nextshark threw an absolutely biased title and so many sheep-minded people bandwagons onto the hate without even considering what the guy said. He never mentioned a proper way of eating; he only mentions how he prefers to eat pho. He wasn't going against using sriracha or any other sauce with pho, but he did say to just try some of the broth before doing so, which I completely agree. This isn't the perspective of being a white person, this is the perspective of being a chef. People are too dense and tunnel vision on him being white. A Vietnamese chef would've said the same thing, but without backlash.
Proper is what proper does.
1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN!!!!
ARRRRRRRR! ACK! BLECH!!!
Anyone download the video TYT removed that had Dave in it? I'd like to watch it.
Anna was diagnosed witha rare type of cancer and cannot appear everyday on TYT any longer.Only part time. But she is doing well in treatment and will recover. Miss her.
I can't work out what the problem is. Perhaps I need to see the video their talking about.
Just watched the video, the guy was respectful. He never said it was the new ramen. It was the shitty site that wrote that line and is now being attributed to the guy. Literally five minutes of research, two of which were of watching the actual video
But he did state that eating pho with sauce is incorrect. It's like correcting southern Black Americans on how to fry chicken.
He didn't say it was incorrect he asks for people to taste the broth first and talked about it from a chefs point of view, its no different than how cooks will cringe at steaks being drowned in steak sauce before having a taste of it first. He didn't say it was wrong but express that his chef peers want you to taste the broth before adding the sauce. This is probably important to those who have never had pho before. And your analogy is false as his comment wasn't directed at Vietnamese people but at his customers.
There is something strangely unsettling about Kim. I can't put my finger on it, but I wouldn't want to be in a room with her.
her race?
Victor gets what I'm saying. Also, her race has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about her - it's the presentation of herself.
Spaghetti isnt the most apt analogy since, frankly, Western European food (especially from Spain, France, Italy) is essentially ground zero for a level of typical, guarded, "authenticity" litmus tests that are generally accepted, even by regional standards.
So it's weird to dismiss whatever annoyance or resentment is expressed over how *Asian* cuisine might be pretentiously misappropriated or misrepresented (especially when the objections are readily backed up -- there's no one type of pho, never mind one way of eating it).
And really, it seems the criticisms came down to the definite pretentious tone of the video. People readily razz and mock $20 hipster "gourmet burgers"; the Bon Appetite backlash isn't that much different.
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I'm outraged shocked and appalled. Now what's all this about pho? Since the video isn't up any more and almost no one has seen it who can say?
Everyone should eat their food however they want.People should be happy that their food is being appropriated.I don't understand why some people see it as a problem.It's not like outsiders are obligated to keep on carrying your culture in exact same way your ancestors did.
I didn't watch the original video but from the description it didn't sound bad. I don't know if anyone else has said this but Kyle Kinnane addressed this years ago when talking about people who correct his pronunciation when he eats "foe". He may be culturally ignorant but at least he is supporting the Vietnamese community and raising awareness of this awesome soup. It's not like he was telling people to put teriyaki sauce in bibimbap or anything. BTW if the pho guy offended you and you don't get that joke off the top of your head you are probably just looking for something to be offended at.
Why did TYT pull down their video *TYT Staff Discussing Cenk And Ana's Reaction To Alex Jones* which had Dave and Steve discuss Cenk's reaction to Jones? Pulled down shortly after it was uploaded.
Can we stop going to death threats when someone is offended.
To anyone who doesn't know why people hate that video, imagine if some high-profile British chef from London who had no connection to New York City made a video called "How you should be eating New York style bagels". The video told you "Bagels are the new Pizza" as if pizza was just some trend that is now uncool, despite the fact that they are practically uncomparable and NYC is known for BOTH pizza and bagels. Then they start telling their viewers to never put butter on your bagels.
Racist or not, it's unneeded snobbery to act like you know how to eat a certain dish more "correctly" than the actual locals. If that's how you want to eat your pho, go right ahead, but don't act like you're somehow a Phd of proper eating.
hibi jibi
*reads post again*
*smacks self in face*
Now what?
Now,
1)Walk into the nearest body of water until submerged.
2)Start breathing as usual.
This is wrong, he never said don't do it. HE SAID YOU SHOULD TASTE THE CHEFS BROTH BEFORE ADDING SAUCES -
On a food channel on UA-cam I watch regularly, a reviewer (who is half Asian) is eating pho at a Vietnamese restaurant in Toronto and the owner (who is Vietnamese) tells him to put sriracha and hoisin sauce in the soup.
it's kind of difficult for us viewers to evaluate a video which you can't show us.
1) I do feel some of the commentary were overly sensitive. On the other hand 2) he didn't say here is a way to eat Pho, he said this is THE way to eat Pho. I think many were offended at someone outside their culture telling them how to eat something they grew up with.
He did say that but the other way in his tone is not the right way. But I think the title is offensive. The blame should go to those who wrote those words.
What's with the dislikes? Most of them disagreed with the outrage.
I love Michael and Kim joining in. It is great to have some fresh faces on the panel.
"It's your food, eat the way you want to"
"Why are people so thin-skinned about how someone else eats their food?"
Says someone who gets offended when others eat pizza with a knife and fork.
It's so obvious almost nobody in the comment section actually watched this video. Ya'll embarrassed yourselves and you don't even know it. 😂😂
*looks at rating*
*watches video*
Are people just upset that Kim is sympathetic to the criticisms?? I don't get it, they're overall (if you actually attempt to the video) pretty much in some agreement that people are overreacting.
A lot of people died Ben.
He didn't "handle the food respectively?" I don't even know what that means.
I'm not sure what you're talking about because you don't have the video....
You know the internet is fucked up when you have to take a Pho video down...
In Toronto Pho has been popular for a years. Lately I noticed Ramen restaurants popping up. Both dishes are great. But if you got a cold or flu about to come on, get Pho, its better then chicken noodle soup.
4 ppl discussing a video they didn't actually watch???
"You can't just spin out a video like this anymore, without thinking about dozens of scenarios." Yeah. That's a PROBLEM.
That girl, in which every video I've seen her in gets offended about one thing or another, she's definitely tyt qualified.
This is not news.
What's the purpose of this discussion ?
The internet is such a crappy place. So ridiculous to get mad over a pho video.
Also, am I the only one who recognizes the absurdity that we all watched a 12 minute video about people on the internet who are outraged over soup?
Never understood the outrage. Some of my relatives in Vietnam don't ever put sauce in our pho broth; rather we use it to dip meat. And the majority of Vietnamese in Vietnam actually don't eat pho including my mother-in-law who still lives there and has no care in the world for it.
As my Vietnamese father always says. "Just pho-get it".
bon appétit should have said, "this video is not made for sensitive asians." "pho is a fusion dish which inspired by french and chinese cuisine." "we want to show non asians how to enjoy this delicious fusion noodle soup which also culturally appropriated furthermore by the vietnamese themselves by adding sriracha, jalepeño, that brought to america in recent time."
"we are looking for a french chef for a next coming video: how to make banh mi…the proper way to making baguette…the proper way of making the REAL pate…" "stay tuned"
I can't believe this is a 12 minute video.