Why Behringer is so bad!? NEW TD-3-MO
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dont care what people say. Im not a rich guy and im just trying to make music, and behringer helps me with that.
mate, he's being ironic with the title. Seeing as the ROLAND TB-303 has
been obsolete for many years and in order to buy one second hand in decent condition, you may have to take out a small mortgage to pay for it, THE BEHRINGER TD-3 is not only reasonably priced, it's about the nearest you're going to get sound-wise to a ROLAND TB-303 and if you pay a bit extra for the BEHRINGER TD-3-MO, then this upgrade is the clone to the modified ROLAND TB-303, known as the "DEVIL FISH" 303 which can cost you over a grand to get someone to modify the it for you?
I think what BEHRINGER have done here is brilliant. They obviously care about people wanting to make music with the old synth sound of acid and has helped us achieve that.
same.
Same hear
Same mate, much respect 😺
You are absolutely right where this is concerned. I think the point of contention for me, where there is one: is when they clone something still on the market, and in particular when it’s a small boutique industry like eurorack modules. Taking the designs of a company that is a handful of people who worked very hard to make a much celebrated module, and mass producing a clone with the potential to steamroll them right out of business; and to top it off Behringer doesn’t, or at least hasn’t to date had the ability to make their own original designs of the same caliber. That’s just straight up shitting on the little guy without whom you’d have no design to clone. Unchecked that leads to no more little guys making really innovative and unique things that we love and celebrate. Cheap clones are all good, until there’s nothing but old cheap clones and nothing new.
That said, I quite like a lot of behringer’s new stuff and I’ll certainly have the td3 mo at some point
IMO as long as Roland refuses to actually build full-size original instruments, Behringer is totally fine to keep re-releasing them.
Personally I don't care whether they're digital or analog, as long as they're actually fully sized and as long as they SOUND GOOD. But Roland can't seem to grasp the idea that we don't want to pay $500 for Volca-sized contraptions.
Roland decision to remake digital version of its classic gear left the market wide open for someone to make analog remakes.
Behringer makes a lot of functional meat and potatoes gear, and their recent expansion into classic analog type instruments have been really impressive. I like the brand. I get what people criticize about the company - I just don't care, myself.
then take a little interest in your environment, because you're supporting garbage that grew up stealing products. All it takes is a minimum of google engagement.
@@lcaise dont care didnt ask + im not spending 400$ on a td3 clone where the only difference is that it has a roland logo instead of some weird offbrand shit
That functional meat and potatoes gear is great until you have to throw it away because your cheap mixer has converted itself into unusable, noisy trash after five years.
Behringer is doing some very good stuff but not them all
@@enginerdy well that is in the mixers area, and is some true
The Behringer synth stuff works. They are pretty solid. Honestly... the quality of the musician behind the gear is all that really matters.
Absolutely! 🍀
100% agree with You:)
My RD8 has issues. I got their Odyssey that had issues and I sent it back. I got a mixer of theirs that died within a few days. I do like their Neutron though. That still works. I replaced their Odyssey for Korgs which is great and I am lucky to able to get Korgs 2600m very soon. Didn't want to go back to them for their arp.
Everyone bashing Behringer are usually synth snobs. Its good cheap usable gear that allows more people into the hobby/industry.
Yup this
I used to think this until I threw my mixer in the dumpster after five years.
@@enginerdy whys that mate? 5 years a good life span for gear?
@@steveedwards4495 I regularly work on gear that’s 40 years old and holding up quite well. Five years of usable life isn’t excusable.
Do you really want every pot in your synth to turn to dust in the next few years?
@@enginerdy So your one piece of Behringer gear is representative of every damn thing they have ever made. Riiiiiight. Dude, I've bought high end gear that didn't even make it five years. Some shit is just made on Monday morning or Friday afternoon.
Say what you want about them, they're doing what Roland refuses to; Recreate vintage music equipment that accurately reflects the original in look, feel, and sound.
Guess you've never used a plug-out keyboard then. They do EXACTLY that. Behringer is trash.
@@gsweater5544
Have you ever owned or use any Behringer gear?
My whole take on Behringer is it’s just like any company in a capitalistic society: if you can make comparable products at a cheaper price point then have at it. There’s cheap knockoffs in every industry, clothes, toys, generic store brand foods etc. Some that just want to crank out products and some that actually care and have more attention to detail to be real similar to the original. Behringer is trying to fill a niche gap and are providing decent quality synths at affordable prices. I have no problems with that. There’s no one pointing a gun at your head to buy Behringer. If you have the money and want to be a "tone purist” buy your Moogs, Roland’s etc. most are out of reach for a lot of people. Drink a few glasses of wine and wax poetic on how your Moog sounds so much better…others will sip their beers and create music on their Behringers…to each there own. I just don’t get why people act like they’re taking a moral high ground and talk shit about Behringer ripping companies off. What you’ve never used generic prescription drugs in your life? You’ve never bought that store brand knockoff cereal or Mac & cheese? Only big name motor oil in your car? Really? Get over it.
This sums up my opinion pretty well. As long as I can take a sip of wine while playing on my Behringers! I actually prefer beer with the Moog and Sake with Vintage-Rolands… 🍀
@@winesynths when I posted my comment I didn’t even think about your name being Wine&Synths lol no jab at you. I’m into wines too, but would have to stick with Behringer to buy more wine lol
This is the #zeitgeist of our times tbh.
- buy cheap, or even better: CHEAPEST
- do not care for the circumstances (company ethics, manufacturing circumstances)
- do not focus on what you already have
- quickly move on to the next big thing for the 15 minutes it is "en vogue"
- never read manuals
- do not spend time and effort to really LEARN the gear and the methods
- buy PLENTY of cheap gear instead of a few good pieces
- buy what everybody else has
- do not make substantial art, do generic loops instead
- spend more time on Social Media than at your actual music setup
- only read headlines and #hashtags
- spread lots of online hate comments towards people that handle things differently
- create a fake online life that has pretty much nothing to do with what you really are
- take comments like this seriously 🥳
Hi Hans! That could be the perfect script for an upcoming Synth Rant! 😃
@@winesynths hehe :-) Feel free to use it for that! I find these way more entertaining than another gazillion of "cheapo vs. super-rare-unreachable comparison". Your videos are great, one of the few channels that I gave the #bell
@@wackerburg You can dance... you can dance... Everybody look at your Hans...
@@activelow9297 Whatever floats your boat. Have a good one \m_
This is a deeply important philosophical issue, thank you.
Do people really forget that ASM is basically just a new brand of a Chinese manufacturer that makes instruments and parts for quite a chunk of the music equipment industry? Behringer seems to have made some PR blunders the last couple years and they really need to improve their website design and stop overusing the same images in product descriptions. But I agree they seem to have made some great stuff. I plan to get the CAT desktop synth in future, maybe a Deepmind 12 too. Though for my first hardware synth I will likely go with a Hydrasynth Deluxe.
I also like the Hydrasynth. But had not the opportunity to check it out in deep until now.
@@winesynths Thomann is offering the Deluxe at a very compelling price for my region. The engine seems incredible and the interface well thought out. Sonicstate has a video on the FM capabilities that especially surprised me. Glen himself sent them a preset for FM piano that was so on point I think most would have assumed an actual FM focused synth like a DX7 or its software clones were responsible. And another doing a bass shootout with a Moog was surprisingly close. Incredible flexibility. I also look forward to using the keyboard to control my MPE capable softsynths such as Arturia Pigments, and other hardware synths I'll probably get in the future. Though I should probably get a sequencer such as s digitakt to place on the convenient onboard shelf, or a software sequencer to load on my laptop and place that there.
Exactly my reasoning as well. I was looking for my first hardware synth and was saving for a DeepMind12. But then I discovered the hydrasynth and got a hydrasynth explorer which saved me enough money to buy a behringer model D to sit next to it 😊
'Behringer doesn't break, it's already broken' - I wept with laughter. 'Big mouth, nothing behind it' - Equivalent English saying - 'all mouth, no trousers'. I think I still have that Behringer compressor from the 90's in my garage.
My favorite North American version is "All hat, no cattle" :)
@@eg0n__ - how about "Engaging the mouth before the brain'' ;)
I will be getting the TD-3-MO as soon as it's available through Sweetwater in the US. I personally have a few Behringer products myself. I have the Poly D, Deepmind 12, MS-1-RD, TD-3-RD, RD-8, RD-9 and RD-6. I even have their UMC1820 + ADA8200 interfaces, a few pedals, compressors, patchbays even their B-1 mic. I have no complaints and they all work as they should. Behringer will continue getting my money regardless what anyone has to say about the coming. They are the only company who is listening to our wants and needs and they are delivering without breaking our bank accounts.
I’ve only owned 2 Behringer products so far, but I have no complaints and I think you get good quality for the money.
If you can afford Roland or Korg or Moog or….etc. then good for you. Just realize that the equipment won’t make you a better musician. You’re limited by your own creativity.
Yeah, I got pretty tired of the hate. I'm sure they make the odd piece of duff gear but my own experience with Behringer, as someone with a limited budget, has been nothing but positive. I have the original TD-3, the Poly D, and recently bought a bunch of FX pedals: it's all great - no problems whatsoever, and sounds fantastic. Contrast with my uncle's experience: he just bought a Moog One which is, what, £7K? £8k? It has a raft of build quality issues, ships with a broken sequencer due to a still unfixed bug in the firmware (delete a note from a sequence and listen as everything else on the track is corrupted), and after a month of ownership has developed a fault where it literally won't stop playing and reboots at random. I got to have a quick play with it at the weekend and it sounds *lovely* but I also noticed that, as well as the "won't stop playing once a note has started" problem, it doesn't respond to some of the controls either - he described its behaviour as unpredictable, which I think is quite kind. He's waiting for it to be picked up for repair or replacement. Granted, Behringer have the advantage of manufacturing at scale (presumably using lots of automation, which generally yields predictable high quality when applied properly), whereas Moog are more of a boutique outfit but... come on... it's an £8k synth: for that money it ought to be just about perfect.
Jaja, there are always this Behringer haters out there with stereotyp comments and they seem simple ignorant. Some people still belive Behringer only making low end gear but this was never correct. B was one of the pioneers making audio gear affordable and sure not all gear from the 90s and later is great. But tell me one brand only make great gear, it is not existing.
Behringer made a lot good in the last 10 years. One example is the X32 console u can see very often on the FOHs of the world (by the hand, me as live musician hate digital consoles because they all got latency).
Korg was smart in the last 10 years too and brought us great affordable stuff like the Microkorg, Volcas and some great Vox gear for stringed instruments, invited the Nutube and so on. Yamaha brought us the Reface series ("maybe" inspired by the Microkorg ^^).
It is great Uli Behringer joined the Synthesizer market. Great Synths are out and great stuff is planed. Roland...brought out the Boutique series...cool Synths for their own but they not nailed it let them sound like their own synth legends, they come not close enough.
I own some gear from the Behringer family and i am happy with it. U always must check before buy what u get for your money and if it fits to you and if the quality fit in the context, unimportant the brand.
My first desktop mixer was one of the Behringer Eurorack 4 channel units maybe 15 years ago. Paid $40 for it, eventually sold it for $40, and it never once had any functional issues. My only complaint was the overall fidelity of the output, but for a $40 mixer that could be dropped off a cliff and still work, it honestly wasn’t THAT much of a step down from a small mixer in the $100-200 range from any of the other mass produced brands.
I also have an OG TD-3 which I have NO complaints with, having been priced out of the 303 market since 1998 or so. 100 bucks for a synth I’ve coveted since back when it was “only” $1200 secondhand? Uh, yes please! I also have an original Roland TR-606, and I can tell you the cheap build quality of the behringer is a feature, not a bug. The old Rolands probably feel heavier duty because they used thicker plastics. Now manufacturing has been refined, pcbs are lighter and can fit more components on them, and microprocessors have evolved exponentially. I can guarantee that the build quality of the behringer vs the OG Roland is not much different in terms of how much abuse they can take.
(Side note- the Roland Boutique clones, say what you will about them, are ACTUALLY built better than most other versions, I’ll give them that!)
15 year career with Behringer equipment and 9 subscribers. Lesson learned.
@@lcaise bro the fact that I use Behringer gear(currently own a whopping 1 of their products) has nothing to do with me not having many subscribers. It’s because my music is terrible and I’m a bad person. Sheesh, do yr research!
@@lcaise Imagine giving a single fuck about how many followers someone has on social media. The brainrot is real.
@@mode7beatssubsribed!
I had a terrible Behringer mixer in the 90s and was sceptical of what was a budget brand. But their latest range of analogue repopped units is fantastic. The quality for price is incredible and I never thought I’d have a studio full of lovely analogue gear 20 years later at a fraction of the equivalent vintage price. Their sequencers are really intuitive and I find them the best on board sequencers of any brand (esp. Korg). The MO has blown my mind recently and the RD9 is about the best drum machine think I’ve ever used. People can hate on Behringer, the rest of us will be admiring them
Got the MO and rd-9 too and im pinching myself and saying what incredible equipment for the price!
I think the sequencer of the ms1 is crap but indeed love the drum machine sequencer and also the td 3 (exactly the same that is on the OG 303)
I’ve heard sweetwater stopped selling behringer products for a while because they’re gear was garbage. Sweetwater now is an official Behringer vendor again which shows improvements in quality.
Probably better terms rather than improvements in quality. I bought an ms101 and had to send it straight back as the keyboards are cheap plastic and was failed before I even opened it.
Beringher did fix it, but this affected the warranty. On another note, I've an original behringer compressor that has lasted for years and years and I never even have to think about it as it just works.
No, they stopped mostly because they were stealing designs from other companies like Mackie and Drawmer... But now that Sweetwater was sold to an investment firm they don't care, so now they are a monopoly for many Berhinger products and fix the prices. Cheaper to order from overseas than Sweetwater. The 2600 was almost half the price elsewhere, even with international shipping.
"These guys said they'd sell me a Ferrari for a Ford Focus price and it took 7 months to deliver! It's bloody fast by the way but sheesh, *7 months*, amirite?"
I've made the exact same experience - not one of my Behinger synths has failed me, while many more expensive manufacturers had issues. Especially my beloved Moog Sub37 had 3 defects in the first 4 years...
I like behringer because they make it possible for low income people of color to learn and practice synthesis.
Why people of color?lol
@@Usercehdbf colored people are poor because they don't work hard enough -- DUH
@@Usercehdbfcan confirm. I’m white and also am able to learn from Behringer so I don’t think it’s exclusively only for poor poc what a weird way to put it 😅😂
It seems it works with us trash white people too, sorry to spoil your victimhood.
Your racism and brainwashed victim mentality is showing...
As a Boutique TB-03 owner, I will say; The TD-3, does actually have a bit more tonal character. As much as I don't want to admit it, the TB-03 doesn't sound bad, it just doesn't have a soul hahaha
As a TD-3, TB-03, TB-3 and TB-303 owner, I think that out of these four, the 303 just sounds most pleasant and also upfront and direct. They all have their characteristic tone imho. Or special features like the TB-3 with its touchpad. To me the TB-03 sounds quite "digital", which I like it for. The TD-3 has a very distinctive note to its sound, which is always there, no matter how clean or distorted the signal is. It cuts through in the mix, but I cannot stand ot for very long. To me it's like looking at LED light. Very bright, makes you wake, but it's not comfortable to the eyes.
What I really like about having these options besides the clear winner (the original unit) is that they are pretty easy to mix together, because they do not fight each other's spaces in tonality and since the groove also differs from machine to machine - different timing for slides and accents - they also complement each other well in the time domain.
So I like them all.
“Made in China” is everywhere actually, and the overall quality is good.
As for Behringer(Music Tribe) they have a massive factory in Zhongshan, China. I think we should pay more attention to the quality and sound, instead of where the products has been made.
The original Tb-303 is also plastic. I have nothing against plastic. I am not such a green boy. I regret Behringer didn't go for the same casing as the original TB-303. I have also several Behringers and everything is working fine, except a brandnew microphone I commanded didn't work. I still must send it back.
This can also happen with any other brand. I heard a lot about quality issues with Sequential i.e. And the Test-Polybrute I had here was not flawless. But I am not sure if I would buy a microphone or headphones from B. Even in the entry level you can find some decent stuff from Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic or any other specialized manufacturer. That would always be my first choice.
My own experience with Behringer has been with their effects pedals. They are cheep, but not the cheapest, and I find them useful for when I want to try out a new effect in my pedal chain, but don't want to drop a lot of money on the kit. For some pedals like their classic overdrive, a copy of the Ibenez Tube Screamer, you can get that classic sound for an affordable price instead of paying thousands on reverb for an original, if you can even find one. I've just ordered the TD-3 because I wanted a bass sequencer, but I'm not going to try and find a TR-3, because I am not made of money.
I really appreciate that Beringer are making recreations of older gear, especially because I am going for a retro sound.
Behringer carry the punk rock attitude of the synth world, they dont give a shit what the haters think and will continue to pump out endless goodies ( and hit or miss crap) even if we like it or not. good on them. The elite trust fund hipster synth snobs can sod off and get over themselves.
Behringer are anything but punk lol
@@rorz999 funny but sort of true. I know the engineer designing most of the knockoffs and he is a Gen X dude with a DIY punk ethos who I used to play in a noise band a la Whitehouse with!
I am a carer and don't have much money. Behringer give me something to look forward to. I don't smoke or drink .
I love Behringer.
Seems like a great idea to me, there are a lot of people that wouldn't feel comfortable opening up their hardware to install mods, or don't have the skill level or access to the tools/work space thats required to fully mod out a TD-3. The MO brings a lot of great features and improvements from the mod-scene to those people, and in a very afforable and accessable package. Don't see many companies doing that with their products, actually don't see many companies making afforable alternatives to their vintage gear at all really.
This was interesting, but it didn't feel unbiased, more like you wanted to put the positives across. So I think you skipped past one of the main issues people have, and maybe missed another, certainly one I struggle with.
When Behringer initially started putting out clones, I thought Great, why not do that it's what people want. Even if they don't sound exactly the same, they still sound decent and, one of the things I like about certain old synths like The Wasp and Cat are their unique interface/layout. Mono synths with different layouts can help you come up with different ideas. Brilliant, I'm all for that.
What doesn't sit right with me is when they started copying synths that are currently in production by the company that designed them. The Moog Dfam copy is a good example. And the one that caused the biggest stir, the Keystep clone. Now you said Arturia are "Supposedly PC", I'm not sure what you meant by that. Do you mean they're a supposedly ethical business, or that they don't put out potentially Antisemitic, Cork sniffer promotional material? Either way, the issue people took with that was that it was an obvious bully tactic. They made it almost identical, and didn't credit the designers. The same with the Dfam copy. Behringer can make synths cheaper because they have no R&D costs, they use other people's ideas, as well as cheaper components, labour. So at the very least give credit to the company who R&D'd it. All they were doing was showing their intent with a bully move, and that doesn't sit well with alot of people. Companies like Moog aren't as massive as people seem to think. We should give credit to the ideas people or all we'll be left with is Berhringer regurgitating clones of clones. I think there's a place for what Behringer were doing initially, cloning unobtainable classics, but there's no need to be cunts about it.
That's what annoyed a lot of people, and you didn't address that point.
Unfortunately, I do realise from reading comments sections that this is a minority view. Most people don't care about right and wrong just as long as they can save buck or 2. I read a lot of "I know that, I just don't care." Which is the answer anyone gives when they can't defend an argument.
Anyway, I've said my bit. I think you skipped quickly by that point. What are your thoughts on it, if any?
Honestly, I would not hesitate to buy a Juno-60, TB-303 or 909 Clone from Roland, if they would only offer one. Also, for the triple of the price of a Behringer! But they simply have nothing in this direction. Watch my JX-08 videos about Roland cloning themselves with those "boutiques". It's not even fun! I also bought an ARP Odyssey made by Korg which is really awesome and looks far better than the Behringer clone. The other cloned non-synth stuff by Behringer is without any interest to me.
Behringer strains my moral compass more with every release. But I don't think it has to be all or nothing. The way I handle it is -
I only buy Behringer USED, which keeps that money out of Uli's hands.
I only buy Behringer when the real thing is unfeasible (2600, CS80, 808, etc).
I never buy clones of current products (I bought a real DFAM after the clone tempted me).
I buy plenty of (brand new) gear from companies like Moog and smalltime eurorack builders when I can afford it, to keep them in business.
@@Leo9ine I like how you think. This is a much smarter and more realistic approach to the issue than a hardline "for/against" could be.
@@Leo9ine That's pretty much how I'd do it, too, just out of my consumer habits. I'm likely to buy used, anyway, and if it's at all feasible to get the original, that's just what I'd prefer to get. Nobody wants a Rorek watch, or a Gushi purse.
If a Behringer clone is competing with another clone from the original company, I'll go with whichever clone my ears tell me to go to. I'm not going to buy a 808 clone I don't really like just because it's Roland.
Arturia haven't avoided their own controversy. They implied they had collaborated with Mutable on the Microfreak and had to issue a hasty clarification when it became apparent they had made a synth that used Mutables open source code extensively, but had no formal partnership.
I watched the entire video, waiting to hear the words "But först vee must harvest ze bløød" - but it never happened.
Not doing any real advertising is something that make Behringer able to make shit so cheap. The drama around it is better advertising than they could ever pay for.
Thank you Sir... I turned this on to see info about the TD-3 MO (which I just bought) but am more impressed with your kind words to Behringer ...I have accumulated quite a bit of Uli's gear in the last couple years, and my experience has been very positive...I will continue to buy more...cant wait for his Jupiter Six clone...
I have an Behringer RD-9 and I love it. It does have one issue with the ride output jack not allowing the ride to go out through main when not in use, but otherwise it's great. I actually like the UI better than the original, including the big rubber buttons. Currently Roland only has a Zenology (digital) version in mini form. I also bought the Roland JX-08 and was subscribed to their cloud service for a few years, so it's not like they've never gotten my money. Anyway the original designer of the 909 probably doesn't work at Roland anymore, so I don't feel like I owe them anything in that regard.
I agree! I think if you just make music with them and don’t focus on comparing to the original they are perfect! 👍🏾 I try not to even think of them as clones. I love the Neutron!!
……I kind of hate the neutron right from the beginning….not because of the sound but the types of potentiometers used on it. Way too “logarithmic” for my taste. Tuning this thing to actually play with my others synths is really painful. I also believe it is a bit slow…and I tried both the MIDI and the USB connection. That said…good to create some weirdo noises! In that case the progressive potentiometer are advantageous compared to others. I bought it brandnew and it came with some fundamentally messed setup right out of the box. Took some research to figure out how to correct that…and a few hours trying to turn the dials just a fraction of a degree to get the right values adjusted. Meanwhile I learned that the best way to use it is to switch it on and let it run for an hour or so…and then tune it. Painful! That’s the part of analogue synths nobody was missing….
Behringer is doing an amazing job and the quality is high imo
i purchased an RD-8 worked only once sent for repair worked only once again
My behringer synths are some of my fav! The odyssey is great value and a brilliant players synth for instance. Better than paying overblown vintage prices and more features!
On the other hand, Moog and Sequential have been amazing in regards to their customer support. Out of warranty, moog replaced my mainboard and my OB6 is going in to get its output transistors replaced. For those reasons, I bought a Moog Matriarch and a Prophet 10 rev4
I respect that Behringer make gear that is more affordable... the good thing about the TD over the roland TB-03 for example is you can edit and save individual patterns via software on your pc or laptop via usb.. the down side of the TD-3-MO is, it sound like shit... I have a Roland TB-3, Roland TB-03, Behringer TD-3 and a TD-MO.. for me I prefer the Roland TB3 of all of them. In my opinion, the Roland TB-03, sounds like a fart in a tin can, compared to the TB3. The TD-MO, with all its extra knobs, does not make it sound any better... if anything its the reverse.. I would advise people review the TB3 as it has many more built in sounds and effects, including the original TB-303 sounds.
Couldn't agree more. If Uli keeps it up, Behringer bashers will become Behringer stashers!
I have:
1. Deepmind 12 and although it does have a cheap feeling keyboard, it has polyphonic sequencing, aftertouch and pressure control on the keybed. Before it was released, you would struggle to find that in a dedicated MIDI keyboard for a fair price, nevermind as part of a 12 voice analog synth! And talk about value for money, any others similar are double and beyond in price! It does have questionable shortfalls such as Level control only available for OSC2 or the arpeggiator does not go down to 1/1 timing but they did a fine job for their first synthesizer release.
2. FX2000 Virtualizer - packed with presets and decent menu diving
3. Its older brother Virtualizer Pro DSP 1000p on eBay recently - made in 1998 and still running! Packed with presets but lots of patience required.
4. An Ultragain ADA8200 - this thing is so essential to my setup, expands my inputs bigtime. Apart from not having a centre detent on the volume knobs, it's a perfect piece of equipment. I wonder how buying RME interfaces would make a difference unless you're looking to have like 300 tracks in one project!
One thing a few other commenters have touched on is so correct - it's barely the equipment/instrument that counts - it's the musician/sound engineer!
Additionally, I have the Korg MS20 and completely dry, it gets boring really fast as it's mono. Run it through a guitar pedal and it really comes alive because you're adding a larger spectrum of tones and it doesn't sound as empty to our ears. Don't expect a synth to sound great and you'll have more fun than most of the casual buyers who expect perfection on arrival.
Although I don't own and have not used any other Behringer synths or drum machines, your video has made me really want to!
BTW in your setup, you should use "ghost kick" technique or gating to prevent the sudden harsh volume increase coming from your synth sounds. Really makes a difference!
Thanks for your comment! I also have the ADA8200. For line signals, it's perfect.
BTW: I use ghost kicks, gates and side chaining all the time! Sometimes it just spills over! 😅
Interesting to hear about the delivery times. I work for a chip manufacturer, we produce many different product, including ARM MPUs and MCUs, as well as many other products. The whole supply chain situation is horrendous, this will be impacting all semi vendors, and all synth/ music gear manufacturers as they simply don’t have the volume to command a large allocation. It’s a horrendous situation.
Months and months
I regret one thing about Behringer.
Quality control.
I see people with broken gear (sometimes arrived dysfunctional from the factory)
They focus too much on the final price...
Desktop synths are around 250-300 euros. They would be as competitive around 350-400 with better quality and durability.
For the moment, I don't have any issue with my Behringer's gear but I don't feel confident about durability.
(I have pro1, wasp and model d... i really like the sounds and the desktop format, so I would like to keep them functional as long as possible)
I agree with this, I went through 3 Pro-1s before I got a working one. First was not calibrated, second was broken midi, 3rd wouldn’t turn on. Finally got the last one and it was great.
Very hard to make out what this guy is saying 😮Might be my ears, but most does not sound like English. 🤷🏻♂️
Old Behringer through hole gear is great, just mod out the power supplies and replace 4580's !!!
A synth is a synth...weather its an original or a clone. Each has to deliver when you unmute that track and introduce "the sound" into the mix! I have heard the behringer CAT and it sucks... but thats because I own a REAL Octave CAT SRM2. I also own a behringer Pro-1 and I absolutely love it (Just Never play a real Pro1 in front of me please ;)
@@Leviathan-mj8gi True! With some devices the differences are bigger, with other they are less noticeable. I considered getting the RD8, but even in th demos I had to turn those off. The cymbals sound so awful, can't stand them. So I went with the original unit and that machine is just so lovely. To me it also sparks something inside when I use it. Those units are really special. Sound, groove and also workfllow. Expensive, yes. But I rather spend money on something I enjoy on a daily basis instead of a car that I just use to get to work or haul food from the supermarket :-D
@@Leviathan-mj8gi That’s a terrible comparison. Toyota’s build quality is top notch, and some of their vehicles, like the Land Cruiser and their luxury version of it, the Lexus LX 570, are some of the most expensive vehicles in the SUV segment. I would say the closest comparison to Behringer is GM’s brand called Geo. I’ve had the pleasure of owning some iconic vintage synthesizers and a couple of Behringer synths, and the Behringer synths were made very poorly. They shouldn’t even be called clones. They should be called bootleg versions, because they aren’t close enough in comparison to be deemed clones. Behringer is great at making their synths look similar in appearance to some of the classic synths, but the build quality is so much worse. You can tell that they are not made by employees who take pride in their work.
@@youlittlesaget I own 32 synths, 6 of which are behringers...Pro-1, Neutron, Model D, DM12, and 2 TD3s. I love the Pro-1 and the Neutron. The DM12 is great and the td3s are ehhh..passable.. The D is my second because the first had to be returned cuz an osc crapped out...They are OK but since buying these Behringers, I started collecting some Vintage synths and Vintage Russian synths... so I dont see myself ever getting another Behringer... its not worth having a partial experience of what the real thing should be... (although the proton looks nice 😆)
I was born in the Soviet Union, and many American synth-heads absolutely *can't stand* my number 1 reason for hating Behringer: I hate to be told I'm "cheap" by the manufacturer. In my neck of the woods, people tried rise from poverty and acquire wealth. In America, people fight against wealth (corporations - the face of elitism), so it's cool to hate expensive things. It's an inverse relationship. If I see two synths both priced $300, I'll go for the one that doesn't tell me "Now YOU TOO can buy it! Because it's cheap!" I hate fake, corporate New Left thinking, and that entire psychological model where buying "cheap" is supposed to make you "a good person" as opposed to rich people - who are all "elitists". It doesn't mean I won't buy another cheap synth. I will. But I don't want the manufacturer to tell me my worth. I want to be able to tell other people that I bought it cheap. That's the difference.
I think you're taking this a little personally comrade
@@Leo9ine I think you weren't there to talk. Every synth group is full of Starbucks workers and pool cleaners who claim "You're an elitist who hates poor people" if you say you don't like Behringer. It's never their fault - they are *owed* cheap shit, and you owe it to them to be part of their Behringer cult.
@Danny & @Leo these are all theoretical problems that only lead to envy and resentment. At this time, we should allow everyone to find the path they can afford or want. Let's rather make music and ensure more peace in this world! Thanks for the support! 🍀
@@winesynths You're very right!
@@winesynths I agree 100%. And we remember when the Volkswagen appeared, it was also marketed as a car "for the people" (as well as the Korg Volca). The difference with Behringer is its fan base today is aggressive and attempts to pass judgment on people for their preferences - I don't believe Volkswagen people called BMW owners "haters of poor people." It's a specifically modern socialist syndrome. We used to get behaviour like this in USSR during Khruschev, where your neighbours commented on what you had.
Bland tools, terrible build, TACKY, uninventive, and most importantly PREDATORY business ethics. It’s like supporting Meijer or Walmart.
Only buy Behringer lawsuit gear . This is the gear that they cloned and got taken to to court for .
The rest I can leave alone
TD-3-MO is lord like for its purpose.......... respect that green suit loccsta. and match your greens up b, your t-shirt looking bad with that happy green suit.
Bahringer copy other brands devices but there not identical knock offs like some try to say. I think there a decent company who makes what they know will sell.
Nothing wrong about Behringer. I just hate Ulis way of doing business.!
So Bad in a good way? A bit of click bait maybe but I agree my 2600, Neutron and TD-3-MO are all great.
I like the rebuilt synth stuff from Behringer. it works really good in all points for that kind of price.. It's for everybody and it works.. :)
Behringer technology is great especially for the price.
"Doesn't break, already broken" isn't as true now as it used to be, but I think it's a pretty fair assessment of both the pros and cons of Behringer's quality, traditionally. Behringer has a history of releasing bad units right out of the box, especially with their stompbox pedals and mixers, but the good units simply never die. Since they entered the synth game, I haven't really nearly as many reports of bad units as I used to. I've heard more complaints about predatory business practices, which is... fair.
The stomp pedals are extremely bad! We tried several times! And my son is a guitar pro! 🎸🙀 I usually go for EHX as you might have seen in the videos!
the same thing is true for synths - where ehx is a reputable non-boutique manufacturer that sits squarely between behringer pedals and expensive brands, korg and arturia sit between behringer synths and expensive brands, also mfb and vermona, especially second-hand (those units last a lifetime)
same functionality, just no reference to classic cult must-have examples
there's cheap, and there's really cheap - it all comes down to how much you really need your next synth fix and if you want to pinch the last penny to buy another one
My biggest complaint about behringers business model ( stealing designs - making minimal changes - and releasing them for cheap in plastic boxes ) means they are cornering the market ( thanks to their Chinese mega factories ) and stopping other INNOVATIVE brands from occupying the same market space.
For example korg ARP reissue. They will be discouraged to do that again because Behringers copy came along - stole their market space and released the exact same thing - except not as good for cheaper. It's not helping the synth world by stifling innovation.
This is exactly what this video is not about! Watch again please! 🍀
I guess the problem here is the customer who wants the same old boring product
@5napc1ty the korg ARP may not be innovative but their team saw what the masses want and they made their reissue first - made in Japan - fair price.
Behringer comes along - copy their idea ( being an ARP reissue) - undercut them by 20percent on price - plastic - Chinese - no r&d.
Sure behringer, make an affordable reissue I'm all for it - but why bully people out of the market it's malicious and the synth world suffers.
Keylab is the perfect example.
Another recent example is the their new boog grandmother. Poor old Moog only released their grandmother 3 years ago. The Behringers one is near identical. Shameless.
Asif they havnt copied Moog enough? Why is the crave identical to the mother32 ( except sonically ).
Behringer please just try and come up with more of your own ideas or at least distinguish your offerings from ones out there already. The deepmind12 is still fantastic!
@@johnny2hats2 you don't exactly know what you are talking about, are you? Poor KORG ruined by B? Are you suggesting that one of the biggest synthmakers, who also copied an old synth, didn't improve on it, gave mini keys, etc. is going out of business bc B also copied that same synth and gave it some additional specs (which actually work)? It's not plastic, and actually has a sturdier hardware than the original... a d for some people 200 euros difference can be a deciding factor when buying gear. I'm not fanboying, I don't care for brands as long as I can make good use of an instrument. B so far so good.
I have had nothing but problems with Behringer gear. Deepmind broke, MS-1 broke, sold my 2600 because I was scared it was going to break. I bought a disposable TD-3. didn't really enjoy your video BTW :-/
Don‘t worry! It‘s normal that we all make different experiences. This is just my point of view. 🍀
Td-3 buttons are so clanky I can't make pattern in original sequencing way without rageing and cringeing
Sooooo, this just in ... my TD-3 is defective LOL. So that's all 3 Behringer synths that I have owned for more than a month defective.
You should be happy you're not waiting for a Cirklon! Coming up to 4 years waiting!
old 909 smells like drakkar noir and cocaine 😎
909 is Davidoff Cool water & Cocaine! RD-9 is Axe & Crack! 😁
Großes Maul - nichts dahinter = All hat no cattle. Sorry couldn't resist. I'm a dolmetscher after all.
Most of the others are also made in China
I don’t get why people would get mad at Behringer? They are giving the people what they want reproducing classic synths that cost way more than their worth if you can find one for sale. It’s something a company like Roland could of did 20 years ago.
because they've ripped off other designs, caught copying the Mackie PCB. They tried to get around certification of their gear in the US. They don't play fair. Over and over again, same disgusting tactics.
I still use a behringer mixer i bought TWENTY YEARS AGO. nothing wrong with it. Im looking forward to continuing to use my Boog, my neutron, my RD6, Crave, ARP ect fer the next twenty!🎉😂
Everyone loves Behringer
This is more of a brand name and vague analogy of the Behringer TD-3-. I would have enjoyed hands-on sound & function tests.
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5:52, different set-ups will have different noise. Although my desktop and td-3-mo are connected to the same power conditioner, USB connection is a noisey mess. I only bear it to change midi settings and to make patterns quickly.
I would never recommend to use USB-Midi to anyone. Unless you are using a pro-grade powered hub etc. So far, My USB setup is noisefree except with Roland Boutiques! 🙄 But I spent a lot of effort and money in it. With classic MIDI cable connections there is 100% no noise and you also have lower latency. Good subject to talk about! Maybe in one of the next videos! 🍀
It's more than likely not your power. USB cycles at 1000Hz, and if your device is not properly shielded that tone will permeate through everything that is connected to or through it. Funnily enough, higher end keyboards are usually the worst as out of everything I have (I use 12 usb over midi things I use for my live sets) my nord is the worst and my 3 td-3's and rd-9 are silent. It's a solvable problem though, just get a usb isolator off amazon or somewhere. They run around 20 (usd) and up. It's one of those things that every keyboardist should just have in their kit.
The ridiculous number of jump zooms is incredibly ANNOYING !!
I like my RD-9 and TD-3. It goes with my yocto 808 so I can have a real world Rebirth-338
People just wanna hate!! OHHHHH!! Please!! I have the pro-800 and it sounds waaaayyy better then original!! I can’t wait to purchase more… ROLAND!! Moog and other companies should learn from behringer!!
behringher ddm4000 was my favorite mixer. the assembly quality nowhere near to pioneer but the sound quality and the quality of the effects is much better.
I didn't understand the Behringer hate for quite a while, though I kind of understood why people even take a stance when I saw prices for their gear compared to other brands at my local retailer.
I have a small Behringer mixer I bought secondhand many many years ago - totally faultless and remains so to this day. I love it. I bought a newer and even smaller one for some USB connectivity and I only replaced it with an interface from someone else because it just couldn't route audio the way I wanted. In other words, it was not a quality problem. That said, I just haven't been interested in their synths.
As a foh mixxer i used some Behringer stuf. It was not bad, only basic. Right now they make verry good pro audio devices like the Wing, x32 and so on. The synthesizers they make are awesome!
It'z Klaus Zchwabs fault there iz no componentzzzz!
Roland boutiques are the pinnacle of trash from a company who doesn't give one s*it about it's customer base. As evil as people think Behringer are their instruments stand up well, sound good and totally refreshed a stagnant snobby market... It's not all about price if you want to compete now as people seem to think it is but you actually need good innovative products to be successful i.e. what Arturia and Analogue Solutions are doing to name a few
A German talking about wine and synths? Sign me up. New subscriber. Hello from Ohio! Prost!
Roland are missing a trick. Build a faithful replica of the classics ffs. Not all that boutique bullshit...
Exactly! Look at Moog or even Korg with the superb ARP Replicas. I wouldn‘t see a problem for Roland in offering a real 101 for 1800$ or a Juno-60 for 3500. This are the current market prices for top condition originals with Midi retrofit. They would earn tons of money as it seems to cost only 100$ or so to produce in decent quality. As we can see at Behringer! 😁
After seeing way too many comparison videos, the Clone vs OG Vintage comparison "smell test" at 5:13 gave me a good laugh - made my day.
People are going to to bash Behringer, whatever they do. However, they are making affordable synths and, by doing so, they seem to be kick starting a home external equipment craze. Having a live setup is within reach of those with a modest budget, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to get started - perhaps even never pursuing a dream. I'm seeing loads more videos with musicians live jamming, and it's mostly with Behringer equipment. You can only respect that. I currently have 5 Behringer synths, and can see myself adding more in the future (that Proton looks sexy).
That said, I do not agree with the way they rip off current products. I have no issue with them cloning old stuff.
Behringer is great!
I have a question that I haven't been able to get an answer to, maybe you guys can help me. I have a 303 connected to an older EHX Deluxe Memory Man (from the 90's) but the 303 signal instantly overdrives my Memory man (red LED) no matter how low I turn the volume on the 303. When I plug a guitar, everything is fine and the overdrive LED doesn't go into red (unless I go a bit crazy with the blend and feedback knobs). Do you have the same issue on your Memory Boy? And if yes, how do you attenuate the signal from the 303? Thanks in advance
The Memory Boy Deluxe doesn‘t make any trouble with distortion or overdrive in conjunction with synths. What could cause problems and strange behaviour on a OG TB-303 and pedals are symmetric instrument cables! Make sure to be mono from start to end! Good luck! 🍀
@@winesynths Yes but the Memory Boy is a much newer pedal than my 30 year old Memory Man. I think these days they make pedals to take Line Level signals, something that Electro-harmonix probably didn't do back in the day. I'm looking into a cheap attenuator box now. Cheers
I really like the decent smooth sound of this 909 BD! Very good settings.
Behringer make tools, not instruments. They have all the functions, but are not fun or easy to play musically.
Now People is divided in two groups .one group Its the Old Merried dudes buy expensive gear ,never finished the sound and take everiting so serius. And The other group Buy chip guards,. tiny studio ,Free Vst and take all cheeks around
I like your channel! 🍀👍
A bit off topic but have you ever used/owned an Oberheim Echoplex and is there any effect pedal that comes close to it?
Thanks in advance.
Unfortunately not. The only Oberheim FX, I ever had, been a Cyclone Arpeggiator! 🤓
Love the Deluxe Memory Boy at the end!
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Music should not be about politics, it should be a free society outside of war and politics, where people from different countries can get along; if people want war, join the army. as for musicians, why should musicians worry about politics if their whole life goal is to walk and have fun, this is not how artists are taken seriously when they talk about serious topics; for example, look at a clown on a pedestal talking about politics, as if someone came to this festival to hear what he thinks, play songs and move on, or so it should be. (no offense meant to you wine&synths)
Behringer put a finger up the synth snobs. People who buy music don't care what gear you make music on.
People who make music care if they spend money on a synth and it dies. It's not about snobbery. I think we all wished Behringer made quality gear.
2 new iOS apps (ELECTROBASE and THE 404) both sound great and make it EASY to make a nice electro groove FAST!👍
If You dont know how to make good acid bassline then even real Roland TB-303 will not help You:) Composer behind synth is the most important:) Greetz
I have a td-3 which I like but I've noticed that its scale is not really tuned. When I tune it I always tune the middle note correct so the rest is about correct. This is ofcourse only really noticable when using a broad range of tones.
It's feasible to use auto tune on it though, and I don't hear any clear artifacts because of that. :)
Edit: It's not really "auto", since I always use midi to sequence the td3, I simply input the same midi notes to gsnap.
Anyone else with the same experience?
Edit2: New subscriber. Greetings from Sweden :)
I believe this is fundamental to the nature of analog synths and it makes them sound better, more natural imo
@@marshallb6144 You're right, but it's a tad too much for my fully endorsement. On the other hand it's really much acid for the money, and it's easy to post-tune it :)
Mate i need ur help, 1 year ago i change my audio interface, since that i had a ground noise, my old interface was firewire connection and now its USB, i think this is the problem "USB", how can i fix it? , my synth is roland se-02 and i connect by USB and 1 "3.5" to 2 "6.2" cable... Thanks
First, you should get you an active USB hub. We make very good experience with the "ICY IBHUB1703QC3 USB 3.0". Then plug this one into a _different_ usb-port than your audio interface. I presume you have a PC? Then it also really depends on the parts used in the PC in my opinion. Brand PCs and Laptops like Dell or Lenovo should make fewer problems. On Mac, it works fine for me. Good Luck! 🍀
Behringer is a "company" that grew up selling fake, crappy quality gear in the late 90s and early 2000s. Their "gear" looked like professional brand name products and was just crap that fell apart in your hands. Many young people were giving away their hard-earned money in the store for Behringer products that were of no use whatsoever. I'll mention here flagship fakes like the DJX700 (still on sale) is a fake of the already cult DJM-600 from Pioneer. Tragic sound, useless "effector", terrible EQ and lack of durability.
Then there was the DJX400 which was a fake of Pioneer 300, "studio" mixers that looked like Mackie, a series of the world's crappiest "studio and stage" outboards in the form of various types of compressors, guitar bricks were simple BOSS fakes and even one of their most successful products of that time - Truth monitors were also a fake of one of the companies (I can't remember which one, probably Mackie or Tapco).
Over the years, Behringer was sued for theft, which ended with a settlement (read: payment). By following such a dirty path of stealing products and selling similar looking crap, Uli Behringer made a fortune.
With the money he earned on this unclean business he bought several small but high quality companies, which he incorporated into the ranks of his Music Tribe party. These companies included MIDAS and Klark Technik (and a few others, you can google). The result was a partial increase in the quality of offered equipment, releasing a few quite successful designs (e.g. X-series tables from Midas), etc. Unfortunately, the company's policy and foul play remained unchanged. To the delight of Uli Behringer, owner of Music Tribe, the copyrights on cult synth designs like the 303 and 808 slowly began to expire. Of course, without batting an eye, the Chinese giant began to massively reengineer and copy what they could. As a result, warehouses are full of TB-303 fakes in the quality of disposable garbage, but for the price of 150€. Similarly with many other pieces of equipment - the 808, 909 and other cult machines like the ARP2600 and many others were copied. The quality of these "products" is a resultant of the owner's greed and the pain in the blood-soaked ass of the subordinate engineers (on the net you can find accounts of the ways of cutting down on the quality/cost of production of the equipment that Uli is pushing). Generally it is about appearance, low price and similar sound qualities. Similar, because it is never a 1:1 clone.
What is puzzling is the fact of successful sales of this type of equipment. Well, because why would you need a plastic fake of the cult synth if you can have the same thing in a convenient and, most importantly, legitimate plug-in (both commercial and often free with great quality). I have a rather controversial theory of "extending your dick" by the fact of owning such a box. Someone who can't afford TB-303 for 2000 pounds, will buy a Chinese fake for 150€ and extend his dick. It's like a guy in his 70s who buys a Porsche to get young asses.
Anyway, you have to remember that this "company" is a cancer in the audio industry.All the time they are actively stealing designs - recently they released a fake seq from Arturia, blatantly saying that "chinese people on aliexpress also sell fakes (unbelievable how crude way of thinking Uli's tinpot represents). They use catchy marketing to sell their fakes, which later end up on ebay because it turns out that such an old synth is still 'meh'.
Uli Behringer is not a visionary, he is a thief and a sly one, a psychopath striving for market monopolization (I recommend reading opinions of former Music Tribe employees - google), panicking of words of criticism such as mine above (hundreds of people blocked on Behringer fanpage for such posts). Did you know that this guy sued an engineer from DAve Smiths Instruments, a small synth manufacturing company, for 250 thousand dollars for allegedly defaming him after he wrote that they steal products 😃 ? This guy, Uli Behringer, is a mentally ill lunatic and his products should be boycotted.
Uli you will never again build a thriving innovative company on the foundations of what you have been doing and have been doing for 30 years. It is like building a beautiful villa on an island made of shit. Even though the house will be comfortable and beautiful, it will always ekko stink of shit.
If I had wanted to text the prototype of a 'Behringer Hater' commentary, I couldn't have done it better! Thanks for that! 👍
But I have to agree with you on one thing: their DJ mixer fakes and the Mackie imitations were legendarily bad! And what they did bad before that can be seen in the video in the form of an old compressor! Or?
I advise you not to get triggered by headlines and to read between the lines in my videos. But first and foremost, I am interested in the current synthesizers and their practical use in the context of electronic music production. And not about the diffuse enemy image Uli Behringer or any dick extension discussions. Besides, I trust every human being to change in the course of his life. And have you already made music today? No? So go for it! Peace! 🍀
Can you even 🚶♂️ walk
Just curious if the peeps who have a problem with Behringer "recreating/cloning/whatever you wanna call it" synths have the same problem with, say, Arturia's "V-Collection" synths?
Arturia has a reputation of seekibg permission and even soliciting help from the original designers. Behringer has a reputation for doing neither.
Rd9 was announced in 2017...
Listen, as long as I go in MY pocket and buy my gear, I do not give a damn what anyone thinks. People need to mind their business, use what they like, buy what they like, and have a damn seat. When it comes to what I buy if i need an opinion, I will give it to someone. Besides, we have spent thousands on so called great analog gear that has a legacy of breaking down. Behringer never said they are replacing Moogs nor anything else, it just appears to be an homage, as far as I know, and some folks are just mad they spent enough money to buy a car on one device, and few people actually care. If you do not like it, do not buy it, make something better yourself, or stop crying about it like a bunch of skirts.whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I own a TB303 I got in 1987 , and I own a td3 , boo hoo to music equipment snobs and any snob in a hobby, they suck pleasure and fun out of things
I never sein your speakers what brand are they?1
They are from Divatech. It was a kind of sub brand of Focal in the nineties. They were also sold as Focal MC-26 and were largely used as cinema and broadcast speakers.
From what i have heard i like the 'original' td-3 more. It has that real acid sound while the mo version is the better fart machine, like at the end of the video.
Got behringer td3 and rd6 running through a behringer dx500 mixer .excellent sound quality.
Finally someone who says the truth about Behringer! I love it!