Behringer TD-3MO vs Behringer TD-3. How good is it? A side by side comparison with sounds.
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- In our first episode of MAD GEAR, Greg tests the Behringer TD-03 MO. A Roland TB 303 clone with Devilfish mods. He compares the sound of the TD-03 MO with the regular Behringer TD-03.
It may be twice as expensive, but is it twice as good. Let's find out!
00:00 Introduction
00:25 Introducing the legend
01:05.Settings to get the 2 units to sound almost the same
01:31 The signal chain set up
02:09 Comparing the Square Wave of the 2 units and first impressions
03:42 Comparing the Sawtooth Wave of the 2 units and first impressions
04:16 Introducing the Sub Oscillator and impressions
05:57 Jamming with the TD-03
07:56 Jamming with the TD-03 MO
09:16 Extra envelope control options and functions explained on the
TD-03 MO
12:20 The self oscillating filter on the TD-03 MO and filter tracking options
14:20 The TD-03 MO Accent control decay and sweep variations
15:20 The manual Accent trigger button and its function
15:48 The Muffler function
16:48 Filter FM
17:19Jamming with both the TD-03 and the TD-03 MO
20:00 Conclusion and final thoughts
link for free TD3 patterns www.aiynzahev-sounds.com/prod...
#behringertd3 #behringertd03mo #rolandtb303 #howto
Nice comparison. Everyone knows they really need both. 🙂
I didn’t wanna say it but you’re right 😂
i have 2 td-3s already and need this too :)
You can't have enough 303 clones. I got 1x TB-3, 2x MB33, 2x TD-3, 1x TD-3 MO and each is special in it's own way.
@@CavHDeu which would u get if u could only have 1?
@@squintygreeneyes i think i would take the MO.
I'm completely new to the hobby, this was a brilliant and insightful video so thank you for that! I think I will finally dive in and commit to buying the TD-3
Wow !!! This review is great!! The patterns and the sound are TOP !!! Really impressive !!! Thanks :)
Superb comparison. Great to hear them side by side while you explore the tonal palettes of each. I thought I wanted an MO but actually I just really love the warmth of the TD3 and see the MO as a very different beast. Cheers
I feel the MO can do the regular sound too. When you factor in the cost of a second hand td3, it's difficult not to end up with both. 😂
Very interesting! I also love the “warmth” of the stock but once I heard the side by side I realized that “warmth” is essentially additional uncontrolled frequencies all over the mid range that are saturating the sound. Coming from a production stand point that’s a very undesirable phenomena to have on an instrument.. however it does have a character… I just wonder if the MO can get that same tone as well as it’s additional controls. 🤙
Great comparison, thanks for the link to the Td-3 patterns.
This is one of the best videos on the TD-3's. Thanks for the knowledge, can't wait to use it 🕴
Aww thanks for your kind comments. Glad you liked the video :)
How are you getting the MO to behave like the original TD3 ?, What do you need to disable on the MO for it to sound like the original, my MO is sounding crazy right out the box. is there a way to bypass the additional features ?
I would definitely recommend reading the original Devilfish manual by Robin Whittle. That really helped me to dial in a normal 303 sound.
amazing review. just what i wanted to see from new devilfish features and sounds
Aww thanks for your comments 😁 Definitely worth adding to your arsenal if you need that type of sound.
Great review very interesting ! Thanks 🎧👌
This is fantastic thank you 👍I’m really enjoying my TD-3 MO especially running it into my DAW with some nice reverb and distortion vst’s. I’ve tried it with my zoom b3 and g3 pedals as well which gives you endless possibilities. Those bass lines you provided the link to in the description are excellent although I think half the fun is playing around with the internal step sequencer to see what comes out at the end - it’s like a lucky dip sometimes! Definitely looking at getting the original “unmodded” box maybe to play the higher lead frequencies. Thanks again- great video 👍
Thank you for your kind words. The 303 sequencer is definitely a lucky dip at times. I’m still trying to work out Leftfields “Song of Live” 303 riff. But it’s great to have the opportunity of using these boxes without selling a kidney. Thank you Behringer 😊
So, if you want the original one you can get also the RE-303! it"s an Replica not a Clone and it sounds like the original 100%.
thx for comparison in all the details
this is your best video, followed by the sp-808. Thank you. Try to do more when you find the time.
Good stuff !! Thanks for posting
Glad you enjoyed it.
デモのフレーズパターンが抜群にいい。日本人UA-camrと違って本当にわかってる人の解説なので聴いているだけでニヤニヤが止まらない。GJ！
Good video mate
The primary use I have found for Accent Sweep on the extra resonant modes has actually been getting classic squelching through at extreme filter FM and overdrive settings, the filter loses its self-oscillation in those scenarios. I will sometimes play with it by flicking the switch down and maxing out the FM simultaneously as a performance control.
Good comparison
TD-3 is great for jam sessions and playing around
The TD-3-MO is nice for sound design but can be hard to master in a jam session since it es way less forgiving.
Interesting perspective. I guess you would need to practice more with the TD-3-MO as it's far more extreme. It's great fun though.
Super cool hopefully I'll have one in the next month 🙏
Let us know how you get on.
Will do cheers 👍
@@madgear303 so i have got to use it twice since i got it. A huge step up on the original the sub ace !
@@saorcid5326 Glad to hear you got one and enjoying it. Such monsters of a machine. 😂
Waited ten months to get mine but the RD-9 topped that with eleven months 😵💫
Nice One! Well done & U just gained a new subscriber;-)
Thanks 😁
Cool video, thanks man...
Aww thanks. Glad you liked the video.
They sound incredible, what are using for the kick?
Nice comparison, thanks.
Are the slide and accent sounds present on the eurorack patch points as well? (If you would use a different synth's oscillator instead of the TD-3-MO's one using cables.)
The bass line sounds like one note short of What Time Is Love
I agree. Such an awesome tune too.
Great video thanks ! I wonder, is the pattern beginning at 10:50 a preset or did you made it yourself ? I achieved to reproduce it by ear but I am not completely satisfied with my reproduction. Thank you !
great vid man. is the red light in the middle of both units a reflection or does the Mo bring some side bling?
Thanks for your feedback. The TD3 MO has a translucent bottom with red leds in the corners and that is what you are seeing. I prefer the design of the original TD3 to be honest.
Standard td3 sounds better, more lyrical and musical,i thinks its an advantage that the sound drops with etra resonance makes its more starker listening more, where as the mo is to bass dominating.. However the extras on the mo are epic
After picking up a TD3 and RD6 used, I feel like I have been missing something all along. Finally complete! Admittedly they are not quite a minimoog or drumbrute, but they work.
The RD6 is on my my shopping list. I have the drumbrute but have yet to use it on any music. It's quite a different beast to the Roland clones.
Run them through guitar pedals for more depth. I use a bass eq pedal to control the frequency range.
@@nathanjmansfield9969 what pedal do you recommend bro ? to control the frequency range ... or to compress the signal like the eletro harmonix platform... I'm new into pedals world and still figuring out where to start when you don't have any pedals yet
I have both, and they are totally different. I haven't even watched this yet and I know they are totally different. now I'm watching it.
I hope you got some tips from the video.
which one do you think is better, i'm looking to buy one (it would be my first synthesizer)
@@madgear303 of course. thanks for the tips
@@tobiasribisch712 they are different in a lot of ways. the TB 303 gets that sound that you are used to and it sounds killer. the TD-03 MO is different in character, and can be more aggressive ,. a lot. like more squelchy and bitty and maybe thiner. just get either and you won't regret. for the price your getting a legend . The Td 03 MO takes some finessing and micro tweaking to find magic spots that are insane.
@@tobiasribisch712 but I don't know if I would make this my first synth. because they are really one trick ponies , and you can't get much more out of what they were made to do. If I had to get only one synth it would be the micro freak, and I don't have one yet. but it sounds like a million synths, I'm gonna get one any day, just trying not to buy more stuff.
Definitely going to get an MO to compliment my TD...Nothing beats complimentary basslines for some cool Ambient music. =)
They really are a totally awesome and different beast. Behringer really knocked it out of the park with this one. Let us know how you get on.
its all about the square wave for me. the 303 is an amazing instrument in the right hands it can be a deep and soulful tool. but people mostly use it in its most garish nose bleeding capacity.
I prefer the Square Wave too. They are an amazing tool and now so accessible. #Viva303
With the decay cranked and the filter just right with the resonance cranked, the square gives this sort of twang thats just stunning. And unable to be produced by anything else!
100%
I love its garish nose bleeding capacity, a lot of the Acid Techno me and my mates grew up on made our noses bleed every weekend 😄
Nice demonstration, I have the TD-3 but I might just get an MO as well.
It makes total sense lol 👍😂
My TD-3 MO is arriving on Monday. I already have the TD-3 unmodded version, and last week I bought the RD-6. I'm looking forward to having a jam with all three. I'm particularly interested in using the Hi & Lo Tom gate outs to drive the clocks on the TD3s. Should be able to get some interesting and evolving melodies, especially if the gated notes add up to odd numbers (for example having 7 gated notes per bar on the RD-6 pushing through a 16 step sequence on the TD-3, and 5 gated notes per bar on the RD6 pushing say a 13 step sequence on the TD-3 MO. You'll get a much longer, complex, and evolving set of patterns. I've done this on my modular using a Synthstrom Deluge for gate triggers, and it can be quite effective.
So - the original Decay used to be a filter decay, but is now an amp decay…
And the extra controls on the right are Soft Attack on the amp, and the new decay on the tight is now filter decay?
Is it something I do wrong or my unit but I got the td3 mo and distortion has to be a little bit dialed in to get volume???
it's designed like that, can't understand it, i kinda hate my mo tbh
The buzz when turning on the distortion, is it related to the UNO Drum? (They say it is very noisy, but I haven't checked it yet) 🤔
The ground issue was down to the power supply on the TD3. Regarding the UNO drum, that was being powered by a usb power bank. With usb powered synths, drum machines devices connected to the mains, I always use a di box to eliminate any ground issues. Even a cheap one will do the trick and they enable you to use a mic preamp for your gain maximising SNR.
@mad gear have you found a useful way to use both td3 and td3mo i own both however i wanted to poly chain for a fat bass sound or fake chords like on a bass guitar?
I haven’t looked at the poly chain function on the Behringer synths yet so can’t comment. However, you could assign each TD3 the same midi channel to create a 2 oscillator synth then patch the vca output of one synth into the vcf input of another. In fact I’ll try this over the weekend and confirm. Regarding chords, I’ll need to do some research. Keep watching and I’ll post the results.
@@madgear303 awesome please let me know if you assign td3 as key 1 and td3mo as the key/ note 2 or vice versa and if you fux with the mods from one to another. right now I am only running the td3 into the model D mixer and back out to the TD3 for more balls have gotten some very sick steel drum sounds from this duo but I want to break the model D off on its own for some sick deep bass and then get crazy on the 303 twins. also great work getting both AM versions I too bought the td3am and td3moam 🙂
@@madgear303 @Mad Gear we need those results =)
If the MO had the same distortion without needing to use a pedal or daw fx it'd be great, but as it doesn't I'm gladly keeping my TD-3 to route the phones output into the filter-in. That feedback with the distortion produces really gnarly harsh tones perfect for industrial stuff.
It's also nice that by putting the osc switch in the middle you can run any audio through the TD-3s filter and distortion without hearing the saw or square wave, though the gate/env to open up the oscilator sadly still applies
In my opinion the TD-3 sounds more analog, is it so?
I want to buy one of them and I need it punchy and dirty!
While MO has many more sound sculpting options it sounds scooped in comparison to the regular TD-3. I like TD-3 sound much more.
🤦♂
What's the DS? A feature causing a ground loop?
Green LEDS in the corners would be much more ACID. your demo is great BTW. If there was a "make a track from instrument demos" compo, i would use your stuff and win :D
Green leds would be interesting 😁. Glad you liked the sequences.
12:57 Reminds me of the chickadees in my backyard. I like it.
Interestingly, contrary to what is stated in the video, listening to my phone the one on the left has fuller sound specifically in the low end, fancy hearing that on a phone. Though listening on a headphone the MO edition to me has overkill on the (sub) low end. I do like bass, but this is a bit much.
Can you recreate the distortion from the TD-3 on the "MO" version?
No i don't believe so as the td3 distortion circuit is something Behringer added in their version. The overdrive circuit in the MO is completely different to the td3. If you were overly concerned about this, using a separate distortion pedal will help.
@@madgear303 thanks 😊
The Acid sound of house I love the 303 a desert island first choice with the 808 a pair of technics a crate full of London underground vinyl and a pirate broadcast with me on the mic bound to attract the attention of ships from all over the world. to be honest with a supply of homegrown I'd be quite happy.
Well played btw a good series of nice acid trax, well done my son you'll be packing them in at any warehouse rave.
what drum machine are you using?
I was using a IK Multimedia Uno Drum. A underrated drum machine in my opinion. I'm having great fun using the sequencer from the TD-3 to trigger my 2600 Blue Marvin. I will probably do an episode on that as you can get some mad results.
Side by side just listening on my phone I get the impression that you’ve got much more control on the MO where as the Td-3 has what some ears hear as “warmth” are really just like additional out of control frequencies that are sort of bleeding into the sound. I like that warmth too but as a multi instrumentalist and producer, that’s really NOT what you want from any kind of instrument. Of course you always have EQ in post….. so I guess a real nerd is gonna want BOTH instruments! Cheers bruv!
My eyes are sensitive to light and the LED’s on the TD-3 do not bother me a bit. They’re yellow and soft, not sure the gripe.
It was more the fact that the base of the TD3MO unit was a different colour to the top and with the flashing leds in the base, it just highlighted the different colour. I preferred the continuous yellow of the TD3.
I love Uli's ambition to get synths onto Mars by 2030.
You had me at lynx game.
Funny you should mention that :) Check the channel soon for some forth coming Atari madness.
@@madgear303 Will do!
Damnit, didn't think the MO was worth it when I've got the TD-3 already but this video just cost me money. I hope you're listening Behringer, give this man a sponsorship deal.
Aww thanks for the comment :) It's all in a good cause and enjoy your new TD3 MO when you get it. Let us know how you get on.
🤣🤣🤣👍✊
I just got my MO today and it said in the manual you need to tune its frequency on A? Did you do that? If so could you do a video of how you did it. Mine sounds nothing like yours.
Hi James, good question. I will create a video on using a guitar tuner app to tune analogue synths as they are really useful.
Has MO version distortion?
Unfortunately no
It was a feature/shortcoming of the OG 303 that the volume dropped as you cranked it up...
My guess is Hardfloor Acperience used a devilfish mod. Maybe?
They did...
I miss rebirth
I still have my copy on an iPad before Roland got Propellorheads to pull it from the app store. It still is really good.
KLFのアルバムでこんなフレーズがあったのを思い出しますね。
What I want is something affordable to make booming bass lines with so I can use my microfreak for better things.
im so stuck between the td-3 and td-3-mo... im broke asf so i cant really tell if its worth it, the td-3 is a great analog synth, and i could recreate a lot of the modded out features in a daw...
If you were to ask most people to choose between a regular 303 and a devilfish 303, most would choose the devilfish version. Using the hardware is such a rewarding experience even if your first experience of a 303 was with Rebirth like mine was. I would choose the MO every time. Get one when you’re not so broke. I’m sure you’ll enjoy every minute using it.
such a tease but with the money for both you could get some pretty good paraphonic synths or even a groovebox like the electrbe2...
Neither of which sound anything like a 303 😁
Paraphony is only a compromise with a lot flaws. (MiniBrute 2: 489 € / Waldorf Pulse 2: 499 € / UNO Synth Pro: 499).
Electribe 2 has only virtual analog & pcm sounds (429 € | both TD-3 versions 109 + 249 = 358 €)
As others have commented, you get one of these cause you want that 303 sound. Whilst i have owned Electribes and also currently own a Monostation. Having the 303 devilfish clone is exactly what i wanted 😊
now we need the same with all knobs with midi ...
The volumes are not matched. The TD-3 is about 3dB higher than the TD-3MO. Makes it kinda hard to compare them tonally.
Very Funky
Seriously for the price it’s not unreasonable to have both 😅.
Exactly 😂
It's good enough 4 some nasty bass 🔊 🤪
Yeah definitely, just add distortion 😂
Which Drum Machine?
IK Multimedia Uno Drum
Thank you for the great comparison. Both are muddy in the low end. An original 303, especially the square wave blasts everything away with ultra punch and amazing clarity. I'm not convinced by these two machines at all.
your watch is YUGE
Ive got two td3s, tr rd8s, an rd9 and rd6, better than video games..... I want the devil fishes
Nice clip....but it is like comparing a car without any options to a car with full options....bit pointless
I see them as two different beasts. They both have their place.
Any fans of these will likely LOVE two new iOS apps (ELECTROBASE and THE 404) that both make it EASY to make a nice electro groove FAST!👍
the MO has no Delay!!!
I know, that was why I was using a delay pedal as an aux fx on my little mixer.
the year is 1969...
neil armstrong reports weird alien beings gawking at him from another world...on a crater on the moon...
Not entirely sure the relevance but thanks for your contribution.
@@madgear303 You are the soundtrack to his vision
Thanks (swallows)
Thank you too :)
The original devil fish definitely had a sub oscillator. It's not unique to the MO
As mentioned on Robin Whittles website “When Behringer went into production with the TD-3-MO. Apart from the sub-oscillator, this is a direct unauthorised copy of the Devil Fish circuitry”. I have never seen the sub oscillator option anywhere on the Devil Fish options either. Where have you seen it?
@@madgear303 my mistake
@@reecedeyoung6595 I thought you had some insider info for a min 🤔😉
I own both the TD-3 MO and a Devilfish. The Devilfish doesn't have a sub oscillator.
777 has a (continuously variable level) sub-oscillator for each of its two oscillators.
I had the 808 and the 303 when they first came out, and I’ve hated them ever since. I thought that sound would die out after a while, but as we can see, they’re still creep, they still suck, and they’re still here with a f uckin vengeance.
Can't escape them hahaha
Well I guess if you wanted them for their intended purpose, yes they did suck. But 30 years of making a massive contribution to popular culture ain't too bad 😄
@@madgear303 So did ‘hand claps’. 😂🤣
guess you don't like good music...jokes aside, some of the most amazing music ever has been made with the 808 and 303...I could not imagine life without those godly sounds
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 Just very limited, so there’s millions of songs out there with the samples sounding kicks and snares. I prefer real drums and percs-and they’re cheap and not that hard to use. But you truly *NEED* the 808s and so on if you haven’t got any talent, of course!
How about stop throwing your hands around so much?
I can't help it, I was quite excited. You don't want a statue do you? 😂
How about stop throwing around useless comments so much?
I have two of these now (the MO) and I swear they sound different than each other.
I play both connected by cv gate and out, not modded as master. Very cool, I have also both in yellow😊