If the hijab is forced its loses its meaning and becomes something else. The hijab is a choice of modesty, obidence, and faith. But if its forced the blessings are lost and its just being controlled.
@@noor1991hb :( this breaks my heart especially since im being forced to wear it rn or i wont be able to get an education and i'll be sent back to a completely different country where women basically have no rights. Don't get me wrong i love the hijab and I think its beautiful but im just not ready to wear it. And now that i'm being forced i pray every day for the day that I get to take it off and be financially independent so that my parents don't abuse me.
@@empuwm I pray for you 🙏 . Please be strong. By the way, I was thinking to send an email to the unti extremism center "etidal" to claim to remove the fatwa which allow the husband and the father to force the women to wear hijab. If you also send and let the other people who you know send it our voive will be lauder!
I understand what you're saying Dr Shabir and I agree that modesty is an attribute that both men and women should harbour. But in terms of women being sexualized, why is it always the women's responsibility to guard her body? Why can't men control their gaze?
Well, while a man should lower his gaze the women should still be aware of what they give them to gaze at. The rule for lowering the gaze is applied for females as well.
Exactly. It shouldn't matter what the woman is wearing, she is deserving of respect as a human being. Almost always people like to argue about what the women should and shouldnt do, then blame her for how the men act, as though the men doesn't have their own minds to choose their actions.
men should lower their case too, its clearly for both, not for one. now i have a question, as an argument men lowering their gaze gives someone (i.e. to women) license to walk on street half naked???
I wantched the video and tears filled my eyes, I'm really staying under a lot of pressures to wear the head scarf, I'm really tired from this . I hope that this video will reach more men to stop this behaviours.
Hey, how are you? I'm in the same condition. I get taunted about it. As a highly sensitive person it affects me alot. If i don't want wear hijab it doesn't mean I'm against it. I want to understand the meaning and all things behind take it slowly but steadily. I hope you are doing good. 💜💜💜
@@anjumshaikh1483 even my parents forces me to wear hijab but I feel like hijab is oppressive whenever I see girls around me who don't wear hijab I feel so good for them they are really lucky and privileged they wear whatever they want and they are more comfortable than me and they live freely I wish I was one of them
same. Im being forced to wear it or I'll be sent to another country that is extremely misogynistic and sexist and women have no rights there. Please keep me in your prayers
@@anjumshaikh1483 im in the same situation too :( i was forced to wear it since i was 12 and i cant take it off if I take it off my parents will kill me or send me back to another country where i'll basically have no rights ;-;
But if you see a woman's body, whether or not you see her as sexualized is in the mind of the observer. This is subjective. A woman's body is not inherently sacred. You are making women's body as a commodity by saying "its not for sale" if she covers up because the flip side to that, if she doesn't cover up she is for sale. That means you are connecting the way a woman dresses with value. Instead of valuing a woman for who she is, you are valuing a woman based on how she dresses. And making moral judgments about her which are unfounded and not based on substance like character, but based on a choice of how much or little clothes a woman wears.
As a Christian, I must say that although I believe his arguments against my religion have been strongly refuted in the debates I watched, I admire his intelligence and perseverance in fighting for his faith. God bless you.
I do wonder about this perspective though, because it does give real-world reasons for wearing the hijab, so that is also a reason to wear it has nothing to do with wearing it for God. There is nothing wrong with saying "I wear the hijab for modesty" or "I wear the hijab for God" or "I wear the hijab to show that I'm Muslim". But the moment we enter a discussion about realistic benefits, we have to analyse both whether they are true and whether they are just. Saying that hijab is worn to avoid sexualisation of women suggests the hijab gives the woman an opportunity not to be sexualised in public. But female experiences show very much that you are harassed and sexualised no matter what you wear. There is even specific porn involving women who cover for religious reasons - about nuns, hijabis,e tc. And global experience shows that a woman who is wearing hijab is not more likely to be treated equally to men than a woman who isn't. It (the expectation that hijab aids equal treatment, not hijab itself) also pits women against each other. Western women often ignore the abuses that hijabis suffer because they blame it on Islam and basically say: "Well, she was wearing a hijab so that means she's participating in her abuse, that's her culture, she wants this". And when women remove their hijab, they often become target of abuse online FROM people wearing hijab and are either insulted personally or accused of making Islam look bad if they speak about experiences of force. Basically, the expectation that a woman wearing specific clothing will naturally (without regard for the cultural context) improve her status automatically creates two classes of women: The insiders who wear that item and the outsider who don't wear it. And that creates resentment. The women who do not wear it will hear all these comparisons of uncovered women to 'food that isn't covered and animals will eat it instead' or simply implications that they are sluts, immoral or cheap. And there are enough ex-Muslim women who do say that even when they weren't forced to wear it, they started to associate negative things with not wearing it (which means this wasn't about God, because they didn't believe he existed). And if you have these negative associations (which means that they were not taught to wear this for God but for themselves and their reputation), then you will project these views on other women. But if the idea is to be modest, to be treated equal, as he says, not to be sexualised etc, the aggressors are men. Men are the ones doing the sexualising, men are the ones denying women equality but by saying that women are the ones who have to take steps to break that pattern, the responsibility is pushed onto women and the divide between men and women (created by male oppression of women) is pushed onto the female sex and divides hijabis and non-hijabis instead, creating this rift. And even men are taught to think that way and if you have the sex that realistically holds the power and give them the privilege of making difference between good women and bad women based on clothing, you end up justifying violence and abuse rather than abolishing it - you're just suggesting that they should abuse the women who don't wear hijab instead. In fact, if someone wants to put it off (as examples show) they often become target of abuse. So while all these power structures exist that remove the hijab from the status of a strictly personal item - something that connects the wearer personally and on an individual basis with God - isn't 'encouraging' modesty just a weaker form of enforcing it? Because it does associate emotional, social and personal capital to the wearing of the hijab. By encouraging it, you're telling your child that they can gain their parents pride and approval when they wear it - something that all children want. So they will do it for you, not for god. If you encourage it like he does and say it will prevent men from mistreating and harassing a girl, of course she will do it if that means men will stop treating her like this. They won't, obviously, but that means you are encouraging to wear it not for God, but to avoid harassment and abuse. By saying that it will make men treat you as an equal, of course you would wear it then - but you are still not wearing it for God. So basically, you're giving the children the wrong reasons to do this, consciously or not and if you additionally attach expectations like 'equal treatment' to this, you are also placing the responsibility to avoid abuse on women and easing the pressure on men to 'lower their gaze' as it were.
very interesting points my sister and you write very eloquently. it’s much to think about. personally i am a muslim male who does not believe the headscarf is mandatory according to the qur’an. i do not believe women should be required to wear it or looked down upon for not wearing it. but what you write makes me question myself. i can *say* i believe these things, but could it be that i’m contributing negatively to the culture just by saying i think it’s good to wear? i do honestly believe it is a beautiful cultural tradition and, as i live in california with so few other muslims around, it does make me happy to see a hijabi sister on the street, and i do silently gain an instant level of elevated respect for her as she passes by. this has always been my stance: the hijab is not required, and enforcing it as mandatory takes away its value, but with that being said it’s a great thing for muslim women to do if they personally like to make that choice and there is merit to the tradition. but now i’m thinking: maybe with my attitude i am part of the problem. maybe i should more heavily emphasize the view that women who do not choose to wear the hijab are not inherently any less righteous or valid as muslims. thank you for writing this comment, it has inspired me to reconsider my attitude a little bit
Thank you for writing all this, you bring amazing points that deserve a whole discussion! The idea that ‘encouraging’ modesty becomes a weaker form of enforcing it due to the power structure in place that cause divides between hijabis/non-hijabis is very significant. I think similar problems occur in other areas too, such as marriage. Personally, I do not believe that marriage is compatible/recommended for everyone or a ‘one size fits all’ lifestyle, even though muslims typically see marriage as ideal for everyone. While no one should be forced into marriage, this overemphasis on how it’s an ‘encouraged’ practice/Sunnah for muslims creates a great pressure for many muslims to get a spouse they don’t want (whether they don’t want one due to their orientation/lifestyle/other) and can cause muslims to subject themselves to a site of oppression in which they will NOT reap the very benefits of marriage that causes marriage to be a recommended practice in Islam in the first place. Instead it may potentially cause them to neglect their spouse and strain their relationship with Islam if they end up believing that Islam wants them to be married, without consideration to their actual desires or content life as a single person.
I wonder what the fuss is about women's hair..I see nothing sexual in it, as a matter of fact. For me, hijab is about attitude. Women can still wear hijabs and yet look and behave in an "attracting" manner. Women can also not wear the hijab and yet "disappear" modestly in the crowd. I am acquainted with beautiful non hijabi women who are aloof , they have this "keep away" look and men respect that. As long as a woman keeps her private parts covered (the quran mentions covering the chest area and lengthening the clothes) and is doing her best not to attract men, that is enough. Listening to several lectures make me feel that the hijab is being used in defiance of the disapproving members of the society and not exactly in obedience. And ALLAH AWJ knows best.
One can be modest by wearing appropriate cloth. We have respectable women ,who dress appropriately without having to wear a headscover. Headscarf is only a symbol of how pious someone want to portray themselves.
What confuses me with this is that by this logic a parent can't force their child to abstain from drinking or doing other sins. If this is so shoukd parents just discourage children from sinning
look at the simplicity of my answers. quran 5:32 in some: if you kill one men it's like killing all mankind, if you save one men it's like saving all mankind. so god will be the judge over muslims if they go against islam by killing innocent people. notice that the context of a war is different, we have the right to defend our selfs only. quran 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.” check it yourself
Ive heard that the best way a man can help opt a sister into wearing a hijab (or someone who wears very revealing clothing, etc.) is to lower their gaze away from them. Of course, that doesn’t go to say you’re allowed to stare at sisters with a hijab. It was just a piece of advice I heard from a scholar (can’t remember which one sorry).
I also wonder if there are guidelines for Male dress. As in the case of female dress, I believe there are male dress styles which lend themselves to provocative and hyper-sexualized messaging in social context. The murals in the ancient Ummayid palace in Jordan seem to indicate that even in ancient times male nudity may have been the exception rather than the rule. Thoughts?
"`Umar bin Al-Khattab used to say to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) "Let your wives be veiled" But he did not do so. The wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) used to go out to answer the call of nature at night only at Al-Manasi.' Once Sauda, the daughter of Zam`a went out and she was a tall woman. `Umar bin Al-Khattab saw her while he was in a gathering, and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda!" He (`Umar) said so as he was anxious for some Divine orders regarding the veil (the veiling of women.) So Allah revealed the Verse of veiling."
Exactly.... how came that before no.... and after that, the day after this command comes? Woman were harassed always... was not the first time... how many they died before? How many was raped? Why only after this story happens? Is the wife of the Prophet nore important than all the others?
@@KettyFly Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."
I suggest you look again. refer back from the quran surah an-nur 24:31. it says ".... wrap your headcovers over your chest.. " a believing woman should cover both her head and chest
@@syaheedmahadi3047 I suggest you look again, the Quran isn't in English, the word "headscarf" isn't in the Quran that's the translators words. It says draw khimar over juyubihinna.. Khimar is any garment you cover with like a jacket or scarf or poncho or shawl and juyubinna is the cleavage of the chest. The command was to cover the chest not cover the head.
What I said has nothing to do with being forced : / Ofcourse you cannot enforce but what is obligatory, must be followed. And we know that the rules that Allah is informing us to be obey is for our benefit
This gentleman interpreted a small portion of ayat 256 of Sura Al Baqara. The complete translation is “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way stands clearly distinguished from the wrong. Hence he who reject the false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.” . This video is misguiding to all people who are trying learn about Islam. This complete verse revealed specifically for the non Muslims those were reluctant to embrace Islam. However if anybody embrace the Islam he/she has to follow the exact teaching those were taught by Muhamad S.A.W. and followed by all Sahaba. If anyone willing to know about the Hijab in Islam, please read Sura Al Noor Chapter 24 verses 30 - 35 and verse 60.
Why don't you be honest and come out and say that the Quran does not compel a muslim women to wear the hijab or burqa, it the the sharia (the consensus of scholars)which dictated the hijab or burqa for women. In other words it is not allah per se but the scholars who opines that hijab is compulsory.
a runaway trolley barreling down the railway, on the tracks, there are five people unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks, you notice that there is one person on the track. two options: (1) Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people. (2) Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.
Kann anyone tell me, where exactly he answered this question? Why he is making so much gymnastics??? Why is it so difficult for him t speak straight plain language?
first point "it is called war" second point "probably but absence of selfishness bring more benefits. so it the logycal option" third point "people actualy risk their life to save other every day. saving a child even if the savior dies bring benefit. first to the child second to his family third to the community as an example to follow" I recomned you to read some japanese literature, they also have good and bad and are relatively free from isalm christianity or judaism
my question is .if each of us will be judge for our needs. well Muslims man should allow the woman to go to the mosque to pray and ask Allah for forgiveness. give them a chance we are all equal in the eyes of God.
i gave you the meaning and told you to check because it's to long as you can see... (quran 5:32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.)
a trolley is hurtling down a track towards five people. You can divert its path by colliding another trolley into it, but if you do, both will be derailed and go down a hill, and into a yard where a man is sleeping in a hammock. He would be killed. Should you proceed?
thank you but i don't debate usually with people who can't read a book for themselves so it will be the last time i respond. a salam alaykom peace be with you.
exactly, as you can see historically, we never had problems between muslims and jews in morocco. it's a political problem, israel is the last western colonial state in muslim lands. and it's simply a big military base to control the oil of the middle east. the moroccan jews in general are against the politics of israel. because they know that peace is possible, they lived in it. but the ashkinazy jews (european) have different views and a colonial western mind.
exactly that's why god being outside the universe is not subject to time because he created time. and that why einstein himself was not atheist. atheists used to say the universe is eternel has no beginning, but since the universe has a beginning then it's his cause that don't have a beginning meaning god.
Let the Quran speak: "Prophet, enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers to draw their veils close round them. That is more proper, so that they may be recognized and not be molested." So the believers use to molest women and the veil is just an identification garment. What modesty?
what is the context of this verse? have you correctly read it from the beginning? i don't think so, because you would have noticed that it's speaking about those who betrayed a peace treaty, just simply read the verse before 9:4.
Some emigrated to Israel for religious reasons, some feared persecution, and others left for better economic prospects than they faced in post-colonial Morocco. With every Arab-Israeli war, tensions between Arabs and Jews would rise, sparking more Jewish emigration. By the time of the Yom Kippur War in 1973, the majority of Morocco's Jewish population had emigrated
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. quran 33 : 59
a runaway tram which he can only steer from one narrow track on to another; five men are working on one track and one man on the other; anyone on the track he enters is bound to be killed. what to do?
As before, a trolley is hurtling down a track towards five people. You are on a bridge under which it will pass, and you can stop it by dropping a heavy weight in front of it. As it happens, there is a very fat man next to you - your only way to stop the trolley is to push him over the bridge and onto the track, killing him to save five. Should you proceed?
1) it was about consequence, i am telling you if you can kill without any consequence would you do it? and why not? 2) 3) we are not speaking collectively we are speaking about one individual is it benefit to HIM to be less selfish or not. (of course it is for others) but the question why help others if it's not benefit to YOU? 4) the japanese shito is polytheistic, but the question is about Atheism, and objective morality. any kind of concept of god resolve that problem even if it's wrong
Hijab is like any other Islamic obligation.. It should not be forced but encouraged... At the same time it's NOT fine to belittle Islamic obligations as "personal choice" either. Don't tell Muslims that it's TOTALLY OKAY to "choose" not to perform Islamic obligations... Is it okay to 'choose' not to pray? Can parents not enforce Islamic teaching into their children? As Muslim scholar one must beware of making ambiguous statements which may be twisted by some people to validate their individualistic desires..
thats correct one is to be non selfish in order to gain benefit for one self and the group you are getting the hang of it I chose to give to the other and the other chose to give to me or to other. finally it is the self preservation of the species. in this case 1 +1 > 2 selfishness break the cycle the handicaped may chose to die. it a completly diferent thing than go an kill them. no one can chose for the other or impose anything agains anybodys will
¡you just have quoted 15.8% quran 5:32! and for quran 2:190 you do quoted 100% but Muhsin Khan is kind enough to tell us that it is incomplete Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve months in the register of Allah the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
what about the quran and the hadithS? about prayer, can we impose to people to go to the mosque and pray? no we can't we can only give them nasiha and explain to them what they should do. because in the quran surat bakara 256: la ikraha fi dine: there is no compulsion in religion."
i was referring to the quran as a guide from god to humanity and you are making lough of me without knowing that you should be doing so with your own world view! i eventually established that god created human beings and he also gived free will and intelligence so we are ''special'' from this point of view, but if you believe that god does not exist than we are animals and after all just matter, we are atomes from the atheistic view! so even radio are better than as because it has a purpose.
Sahih International Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. ¿do you think I dont have google?
i quoted a verse from the holy quran, the book that muslims should follow. so if you don't agree with me you should provide your proof, show me from the quran what you are assuming.
i am open to a respectful and logical dialogue with you since you are no more disrespectful. first of all can you please tell me from your perspective how do you define goodness and how can we know what's good and what's not. about your question i sincerely have not ever think about it, but to relate it to the question is goodness objective or subjective, i would ask who is worthy of being in the walhalla, for exemple if the Nazis had won the war will widerstand be there? and why?
no that's not the point i will not do it and i can also say that you will not. but the point is why not? if we are only atoms, matter that started by chance, what's wrong with ''killing'' someone or let's say readjusting matter in the universe ? do you see? is love objectively good? in other words even if there no humans is it good? if i believe in god it's simple yes! but if not than good is just a feeling created by atoms in the brain! so good does not really exist from the atheistic view.
very good question. but simple, since by definition god is the creator of the universe and everything literally, any conception of god that suppose he was born or has a father i will reject (that's part of the reasons i am not christian). so in other world it's illogical that god have a beginning or a father, because if something was before him he could not created it. and if we say he just have a ''start'' than he will him self need a cause. P.S zeus is the son of cronus in greek mythology
first of all. promise me you are not trying to make say sahada I will not suddenly realize I was a muslim all this time there's not a "god based morallity". good is to do what ever seems to be the better option at any given time, even when it is contradictory. you must allways breath, but not under water. and yes some times we could get it wrong that doesnt make you a bad person theres no fail safe method of doing things. we are not radios or cars that comes whit operation manuals.
i am saying that if you don't believe in ''the god'' or even in a false concept of god you have a problems and it's not logical at all. 1) how can we even use the word ''good'' if after all good or bad is just a perception that we have, and we can change our minds on whats good and whats wrong. 2) related to the same question: lets suppose we are all nazis, on witch basis can we say it's wrong? if good is defined by as? but if god exist, he define good and bad and we can't change it.
even more rejecting deaht for apostasy is rejecting sharia. and you know that is the same as rejecting islam I have contacted the proper autorities at your local masjid and they tell me that are taking serious measures good day sir
yes i am muslim. you told me something about islam then i asked you for a reference, you told me quran 9:5 then i showed you that you are wrong and i can tell that you have never read the quran before and you are quoting from a anti-islamic web site simply because you don't know the context of the verse you are referent to.
look if you are a sincere person you would debate rationally the issues and answer to my argumentation logically. because my argument maybe old but it convinced the most intelligent and human beings like newton or heinstein tesla kelvin ... so who did refuted it? and how? explain it rationally, it will not be real if you keep repeating your belief that god don't exist or that someone refuted this or that without addressing the point logically.
they left out things because it was against their theology some times, there is 2 possibilities here, the illiterate mohammed (pbuh) copied books before him to come with the quran, or did send prophets and he did send him as a prophet. why i think evidently it's second proposition: 1) the quran don't copy mistakes from the bible. 2) we don't need to claim for the quran that it's god words because the quran state it itself. 3) quran is miraculous. that's my point of view.
when some of us dies is over we have just one life. and only one oportunity to be good for goodnes sake. that why life is precious. I recomend to you to be happy yoursefl and kind to others stop worryng about non real things another thing ¿have you ever compare walhalla to jhanna? ¿what are your thoung on this? PD you keep breaking your promise
In some term you are hiding the truth and not directly saying and explaining the Quranic verse and the hadith from prophet Mohammad (PBHU) about Hijab or Khemar.
2) 3) when I am not selfish I became one whit the other and feel happy whit them. their gain is my gain in a kind of zen way being not selfish is actualy prety hard few people get to do it right. but we must try to lift us an others from darkness. religion ofers you rewards to do it. but doing it for the reward is selfish itself
i am sorry but there is allot of confusions in your statements, you misunderstood me i did not told you that if you can't prove god doesn't exist. so god exist. i told you if you can't than don't make a definite statement like ''there is no god''. in the other hand i told you i have good reasons to believe in god. anything that have a beginning have a cause. the universe have a beginning therefore have a cause. this cause can't be part of the universe so this cause is not subject to time.
you asked about killing, god say in the quran it's not permitted unless in the context of war in self-defense. when it speaks about the messengers here it's about moses, david peace be upon them... so it's not ''mohammed (peace be upon him) is awesome. many of them were transgressors according to god, not all of them. i am from morocco and some of my friends are jews. remember the question was about objective morality and you don't even believe good and bad exist what do you think
yes i prefer the idea that objective morality exist witch means good and bad are not subject to time or space, whats good is good and whats bad is bad. but you simply believe you should not be selfish, well the first question is why not? and the other problem is the question of majority related to benefits, my example was when the handicapped people where killed by nazis for the benefit of the majority according to you it's ''good''. but not to me, simply because god said so.
I thoug you was a sincere person this is the list of thing you would try 1. Argument from Design 2. Pascal's Wager 3. Argument from Improbability 4. Argument from Personal Experience 5. Argument from Authority 6. First Cause Argument 7. Argument from Coercion 8. The Transcendental Argument 9. Argument from Popularity 10. Shifting the Burden of Proof so far you tryed N°10 and now you are triying N°6 all this is as old as siting in your butt and all have been refuted save your time
you don't know me or my opinions my dear. you spoke to me first, and it was clear that have not read the quran or any serious and neutral book about islam because other wise you would not claim that killing is allowed in islam. i will not insult you like you did. good luck to you asalam alaykom peace be with you.
how the handicaped are diferent from the man on the tracks?? the objective of this hipotetical question is to show there is no objective good or bad. any option is good and bad. I think you missed that.
most probably the character of jesus is the compund of multiple real and mythological persona the power on christianity is exactly the fact that is a greco roman philosophy dressed as "oriental" muslims think that jesus come whit a book under his arm, but reality is that the gospels come much later more over the isa of koran is not the same as jesus of the bible, isa is not the son of god, and was not crucified and for christian the message of jesus is "love your neighbor as yourself"
i am not in ''dawha mode''. simply trying to explain to you my world view, and i think that, logically speaking i can establish my world view (that's why i am muslim). for me evidently speaking there is a creator, that's why i pray, fast give 2.5% of my money every years... if could not prove it i would not believe it. you are just giving me statements without any evidence. why you don't believe Mohammed(pbuh) was illiterate (evidently)?
you are contradicting yourself, if you are not selfish just to have benefit that it self is selfish because in the end of the day you are only doing it for yourself. and according to why not be selfish well it's because ''you will not have friends'' so it's really all about yourself after all. killing the handicapped is benefit to the normal people witch is the majority and you said that's what define good. so handicapped should not be selfish and die for the benefit of all?
we don't believe jesus(pbuh) come with a paper book, and even if we do it's not contradicting evidence. the point is if we have gospelS then something is wrong because as we have A quran we should have A gospel. we can argue that at one point there was an original in aramaic that we no longer have, but even with marc, luc... muslims can prove that it's the same religion by going to the oldest marc and showing the devopement from the historical muslim jesus to christian one in john the last.
:D ok if you say so. but you asked why not this concept of god so i answered seriously i tough you was serious... and by the way we believe in jesus(pbup) and that he came with the same message as all prophets: worship the creator the only true god. but when Christianity developed we can actually see the influence of this ideas from greek and roman culture, that's why Christianity although similar to Judaism and Islam, is also different.judaism and islam share much in comment in the other hand
of course we can change our mind about good or bad, remember: - breathing is always good ¿or not? good is what it is beneficial right now for the majority ¡even Spock say so!
1) you mean when a cop kills a journalist? this could be by accident or by wrong doing on any or both parts, and wrong doing comes from selfishness 2) collectively we have more. we have 100% of material good and the good feeling of sharing 3) yes giving your life to save others is beneficious for the group the reward is for the community you give to the others. many myths show this, including jesus 4) but japanese shito is polytheistic and not abrahamic
so according to you we should just use our own mind to know good from bad, but you just said nazis where sincere, so we can't trust our own opinions, because by definition that's subjective witch means you can tell that X is actually good but i can disagree. so the difficulty is since everyone has his own point of views we can't use this as a guide to goodness.
there where many more gospels than the four on the bible, those where included in the bible for political and practical reasons. they left out thing they deemed not important like jesus talking as a baby or making clay birds fly. you will find similarities between koran and gospels because those where compiled in about the same region in about the same time. many thik islam is a response to this process
as physics undertand it today time is a fenomena that started whit the universe. there was no time before. or in others word there is no time outside the universe, at least the time we percive that why einstein talk about time-space as a single thing
from my perspective god tells as whats good full stop, from yours there is no god, so there is no good ether! simply because if there is no god then nothing to define objective goodness, and nothing is wrong with killing people to dominate because after all it's all about survival and god don't exist that's the first point. you said there is no god, so i assume you can prove it because you made a definite statement. and to be fair i can tell you why i think it's more reasonable to believe.
If the hijab is forced its loses its meaning and becomes something else. The hijab is a choice of modesty, obidence, and faith. But if its forced the blessings are lost and its just being controlled.
Unfortunately even in 2021 there are fatwas to force tge wife and daughters to wear it!!!
Very sad
@@noor1991hb :( this breaks my heart especially since im being forced to wear it rn or i wont be able to get an education and i'll be sent back to a completely different country where women basically have no rights. Don't get me wrong i love the hijab and I think its beautiful but im just not ready to wear it. And now that i'm being forced i pray every day for the day that I get to take it off and be financially independent so that my parents don't abuse me.
@@empuwm I pray for you 🙏 .
Please be strong.
By the way, I was thinking to send an email to the unti extremism center "etidal" to claim to remove the fatwa which allow the husband and the father to force the women to wear hijab.
If you also send and let the other people who you know send it our voive will be lauder!
It should be enforced by the government, like iran.
@@blackflag6976 then in the same way, it should be forbidden in Europe !
Will it be good then!
May Allah SWT grant this man jannah !! He’s well spoken.
Yaa
Yes
@@saniatamanna7763 Should Hijab be enforced? Please answer yes or no. Apparently he cannot answer
I understand what you're saying Dr Shabir and I agree that modesty is an attribute that both men and women should harbour. But in terms of women being sexualized, why is it always the women's responsibility to guard her body? Why can't men control their gaze?
Well, while a man should lower his gaze the women should still be aware of what they give them to gaze at. The rule for lowering the gaze is applied for females as well.
Exactly. It shouldn't matter what the woman is wearing, she is deserving of respect as a human being. Almost always people like to argue about what the women should and shouldnt do, then blame her for how the men act, as though the men doesn't have their own minds to choose their actions.
It goes both ways. Women should gaurd their body and men should control their gaze. Both sides have to put work into it.
Coz men dont have breats and big butts ;) ... just like men dont stop looking women dont stop showin ... someone’s gotta give in ay?
men should lower their case too, its clearly for both, not for one. now i have a question, as an argument men lowering their gaze gives someone (i.e. to women) license to walk on street half naked???
I wantched the video and tears filled my eyes, I'm really staying under a lot of pressures to wear the head scarf, I'm really tired from this .
I hope that this video will reach more men to stop this behaviours.
Hey, how are you? I'm in the same condition. I get taunted about it. As a highly sensitive person it affects me alot. If i don't want wear hijab it doesn't mean I'm against it. I want to understand the meaning and all things behind take it slowly but steadily. I hope you are doing good. 💜💜💜
@@anjumshaikh1483 even my parents forces me to wear hijab but I feel like hijab is oppressive whenever I see girls around me who don't wear hijab I feel so good for them they are really lucky and privileged they wear whatever they want and they are more comfortable than me and they live freely I wish I was one of them
I hope that one day will come and these behaviors disappear 🙏😢
same. Im being forced to wear it or I'll be sent to another country that is extremely misogynistic and sexist and women have no rights there. Please keep me in your prayers
@@anjumshaikh1483 im in the same situation too :( i was forced to wear it since i was 12 and i cant take it off if I take it off my parents will kill me or send me back to another country where i'll basically have no rights ;-;
My mom also talk to me in a decent way of wearing hijab and now I really like it
Yes nice
People here are just trying to counterattack but happy to see a comment like that.
But if you see a woman's body, whether or not you see her as sexualized is in the mind of the observer. This is subjective. A woman's body is not inherently sacred. You are making women's body as a commodity by saying "its not for sale" if she covers up because the flip side to that, if she doesn't cover up she is for sale. That means you are connecting the way a woman dresses with value. Instead of valuing a woman for who she is, you are valuing a woman based on how she dresses. And making moral judgments about her which are unfounded and not based on substance like character, but based on a choice of how much or little clothes a woman wears.
Okk decency and modesty depends on the mindset of a person. Not on the length of the skirt
As a Christian, I must say that although I believe his arguments against my religion have been strongly refuted in the debates I watched, I admire his intelligence and perseverance in fighting for his faith. God bless you.
May Allaah guide you 😊please read the Quran once with an open heart
+emaan faith insha Allah
emaan faith don't be silly it's poison
The Quran also says kill non believers. Let's follow that as well.
Dionysius those verses preferred during back the prophet era when muslims were badly persecuted
I do wonder about this perspective though, because it does give real-world reasons for wearing the hijab, so that is also a reason to wear it has nothing to do with wearing it for God. There is nothing wrong with saying "I wear the hijab for modesty" or "I wear the hijab for God" or "I wear the hijab to show that I'm Muslim". But the moment we enter a discussion about realistic benefits, we have to analyse both whether they are true and whether they are just. Saying that hijab is worn to avoid sexualisation of women suggests the hijab gives the woman an opportunity not to be sexualised in public. But female experiences show very much that you are harassed and sexualised no matter what you wear. There is even specific porn involving women who cover for religious reasons - about nuns, hijabis,e tc. And global experience shows that a woman who is wearing hijab is not more likely to be treated equally to men than a woman who isn't.
It (the expectation that hijab aids equal treatment, not hijab itself) also pits women against each other. Western women often ignore the abuses that hijabis suffer because they blame it on Islam and basically say: "Well, she was wearing a hijab so that means she's participating in her abuse, that's her culture, she wants this". And when women remove their hijab, they often become target of abuse online FROM people wearing hijab and are either insulted personally or accused of making Islam look bad if they speak about experiences of force. Basically, the expectation that a woman wearing specific clothing will naturally (without regard for the cultural context) improve her status automatically creates two classes of women: The insiders who wear that item and the outsider who don't wear it. And that creates resentment. The women who do not wear it will hear all these comparisons of uncovered women to 'food that isn't covered and animals will eat it instead' or simply implications that they are sluts, immoral or cheap. And there are enough ex-Muslim women who do say that even when they weren't forced to wear it, they started to associate negative things with not wearing it (which means this wasn't about God, because they didn't believe he existed). And if you have these negative associations (which means that they were not taught to wear this for God but for themselves and their reputation), then you will project these views on other women.
But if the idea is to be modest, to be treated equal, as he says, not to be sexualised etc, the aggressors are men. Men are the ones doing the sexualising, men are the ones denying women equality but by saying that women are the ones who have to take steps to break that pattern, the responsibility is pushed onto women and the divide between men and women (created by male oppression of women) is pushed onto the female sex and divides hijabis and non-hijabis instead, creating this rift. And even men are taught to think that way and if you have the sex that realistically holds the power and give them the privilege of making difference between good women and bad women based on clothing, you end up justifying violence and abuse rather than abolishing it - you're just suggesting that they should abuse the women who don't wear hijab instead. In fact, if someone wants to put it off (as examples show) they often become target of abuse.
So while all these power structures exist that remove the hijab from the status of a strictly personal item - something that connects the wearer personally and on an individual basis with God - isn't 'encouraging' modesty just a weaker form of enforcing it? Because it does associate emotional, social and personal capital to the wearing of the hijab. By encouraging it, you're telling your child that they can gain their parents pride and approval when they wear it - something that all children want. So they will do it for you, not for god. If you encourage it like he does and say it will prevent men from mistreating and harassing a girl, of course she will do it if that means men will stop treating her like this. They won't, obviously, but that means you are encouraging to wear it not for God, but to avoid harassment and abuse. By saying that it will make men treat you as an equal, of course you would wear it then - but you are still not wearing it for God. So basically, you're giving the children the wrong reasons to do this, consciously or not and if you additionally attach expectations like 'equal treatment' to this, you are also placing the responsibility to avoid abuse on women and easing the pressure on men to 'lower their gaze' as it were.
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very interesting points my sister and you write very eloquently. it’s much to think about. personally i am a muslim male who does not believe the headscarf is mandatory according to the qur’an. i do not believe women should be required to wear it or looked down upon for not wearing it. but what you write makes me question myself. i can *say* i believe these things, but could it be that i’m contributing negatively to the culture just by saying i think it’s good to wear? i do honestly believe it is a beautiful cultural tradition and, as i live in california with so few other muslims around, it does make me happy to see a hijabi sister on the street, and i do silently gain an instant level of elevated respect for her as she passes by. this has always been my stance: the hijab is not required, and enforcing it as mandatory takes away its value, but with that being said it’s a great thing for muslim women to do if they personally like to make that choice and there is merit to the tradition. but now i’m thinking: maybe with my attitude i am part of the problem. maybe i should more heavily emphasize the view that women who do not choose to wear the hijab are not inherently any less righteous or valid as muslims. thank you for writing this comment, it has inspired me to reconsider my attitude a little bit
Thank you for writing all this, you bring amazing points that deserve a whole discussion! The idea that ‘encouraging’ modesty becomes a weaker form of enforcing it due to the power structure in place that cause divides between hijabis/non-hijabis is very significant. I think similar problems occur in other areas too, such as marriage. Personally, I do not believe that marriage is compatible/recommended for everyone or a ‘one size fits all’ lifestyle, even though muslims typically see marriage as ideal for everyone. While no one should be forced into marriage, this overemphasis on how it’s an ‘encouraged’ practice/Sunnah for muslims creates a great pressure for many muslims to get a spouse they don’t want (whether they don’t want one due to their orientation/lifestyle/other) and can cause muslims to subject themselves to a site of oppression in which they will NOT reap the very benefits of marriage that causes marriage to be a recommended practice in Islam in the first place. Instead it may potentially cause them to neglect their spouse and strain their relationship with Islam if they end up believing that Islam wants them to be married, without consideration to their actual desires or content life as a single person.
I wonder what the fuss is about women's hair..I see nothing sexual in it, as a matter of fact. For me, hijab is about attitude. Women can still wear hijabs and yet look and behave in an "attracting" manner. Women can also not wear the hijab and yet "disappear" modestly in the crowd. I am acquainted with beautiful non hijabi women who are aloof , they have this "keep away" look and men respect that. As long as a woman keeps her private parts covered (the quran mentions covering the chest area and lengthening the clothes) and is doing her best not to attract men, that is enough. Listening to several lectures make me feel that the hijab is being used in defiance of the disapproving members of the society and not exactly in obedience. And ALLAH AWJ knows best.
Wow! You should publish this well-though-out write-up as an article. There are blogs that will gladly publish it with zero modifications.
One can be modest by wearing appropriate cloth. We have respectable women ,who dress appropriately without having to wear a headscover. Headscarf is only a symbol of how pious someone want to portray themselves.
Point is not that it's obeying Allah n without forcing on others
Modesty is relative to culture and society..
Exactly
Hence the small bit , "...except for what may naturally appear thereof." That's God referring to the relative nature of modesty in different societies
your daughter really beautiful 😍
Very good point how if you force someone to do something then they are not doing it for the right reason
Personally I really like women wearing the hijab, they look so lovely.
Of course it should always be there choice.
What confuses me with this is that by this logic a parent can't force their child to abstain from drinking or doing other sins. If this is so shoukd parents just discourage children from sinning
These videos should have Arabic captions cause I gotta send them to my parents
We should try our best to spread this mentality in the Arab world!
@@noor1991hb of course
look at the simplicity of my answers.
quran 5:32 in some: if you kill one men it's like killing all mankind, if you save one men it's like saving all mankind.
so god will be the judge over muslims if they go against islam by killing innocent people.
notice that the context of a war is different, we have the right to defend our selfs only. quran 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.” check it yourself
His copy from anther book
Ive heard that the best way a man can help opt a sister into wearing a hijab (or someone who wears very revealing clothing, etc.) is to lower their gaze away from them.
Of course, that doesn’t go to say you’re allowed to stare at sisters with a hijab. It was just a piece of advice I heard from a scholar (can’t remember which one sorry).
I also wonder if there are guidelines for Male dress. As in the case of female dress, I believe there are male dress styles which lend themselves to provocative and hyper-sexualized messaging in social context. The murals in the ancient Ummayid palace in Jordan seem to indicate that even in ancient times male nudity may have been the exception rather than the rule. Thoughts?
as far as I know, male guideline is covering from above navel to below knees. but of course, people used to cover more than that
there is a awrah for men too yes
Dr. Shabir has another video about clothing, you can watch it it's really reasonable
"`Umar bin Al-Khattab used to say to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) "Let your wives be veiled" But he did not do so. The wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) used to go out to answer the call of nature at night only at Al-Manasi.' Once Sauda, the daughter of Zam`a went out and she was a tall woman. `Umar bin Al-Khattab saw her while he was in a gathering, and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda!" He (`Umar) said so as he was anxious for some Divine orders regarding the veil (the veiling of women.) So Allah revealed the Verse of veiling."
Exactly.... how came that before no.... and after that, the day after this command comes? Woman were harassed always... was not the first time... how many they died before? How many was raped? Why only after this story happens? Is the wife of the Prophet nore important than all the others?
Really from my heart I am questioning.
@@KettyFly Narrated Aisha:
I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."
@@semiot8305 hadith?
@@KettyFly Sahih al-Bukhari 4788
"as muslims we want to follow the dictates of the quran" .. well the quran doesnt mention covering the head it says to cover your chest
I suggest you look again. refer back from the quran surah an-nur 24:31. it says ".... wrap your headcovers over your chest.. " a believing woman should cover both her head and chest
@@syaheedmahadi3047 I suggest you look again, the Quran isn't in English, the word "headscarf" isn't in the Quran that's the translators words. It says draw khimar over juyubihinna.. Khimar is any garment you cover with like a jacket or scarf or poncho or shawl and juyubinna is the cleavage of the chest. The command was to cover the chest not cover the head.
@@abdo19code you are right
@@syaheedmahadi3047 you are wrong. It says cover the chest.
that's your opinion
All men and and women cover up from head to toe.problem solved no arguments
My question is, Is Islam all about gender related issues? Is there any space for cultural advancement, development & progress?
what you mean? Islam is most advanced never will be surpassed
advancement is which sense?
What I said has nothing to do with being forced : /
Ofcourse you cannot enforce but what is obligatory, must be followed. And we know that the rules that Allah is informing us to be obey is for our benefit
It's the same as forcing someone who wants to wear it not to wear it.
This gentleman interpreted a small portion of ayat 256 of Sura Al Baqara. The complete translation is “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way stands clearly distinguished from the wrong. Hence he who reject the false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.” . This video is misguiding to all people who are trying learn about Islam. This complete verse revealed specifically for the non Muslims those were reluctant to embrace Islam. However if anybody embrace the Islam he/she has to follow the exact teaching those were taught by Muhamad S.A.W. and followed by all Sahaba. If anyone willing to know about the Hijab in Islam, please read Sura Al Noor Chapter 24 verses 30 - 35 and verse 60.
Why don't you be honest and come out and say that the Quran does not compel a muslim women to wear the hijab or burqa, it the the sharia (the consensus of scholars)which dictated the hijab or burqa for women. In other words it is not allah per se but the scholars who opines that hijab is compulsory.
a runaway trolley barreling down the railway, on the tracks, there are five people unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks, you notice that there is one person on the track. two options: (1) Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people. (2) Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.
Kann anyone tell me, where exactly he answered this question? Why he is making so much gymnastics???
Why is it so difficult for him t speak straight plain language?
If I'm not mistaken, the hostess is Bro. Shabir Ally's daughter.
Could be...but its his daughter. Lol.
@Truthfears Guilty She looks like him.
Yes she is
first point "it is called war"
second point "probably but absence of selfishness bring more benefits. so it the logycal option"
third point "people actualy risk their life to save other every day. saving a child even if the savior dies bring benefit. first to the child second to his family third to the community as an example to follow"
I recomned you to read some japanese literature, they also have good and bad and are relatively free from isalm christianity or judaism
my question is .if each of us will be judge for our needs. well Muslims man should allow the woman to go to the mosque to pray and ask Allah for forgiveness. give them a chance we are all equal in the eyes of God.
i gave you the meaning and told you to check because it's to long as you can see...
(quran 5:32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.)
Is this form God and if so from what God ua-cam.com/video/bRrcnH4qtSI/v-deo.html
a trolley is hurtling down a track towards five people. You can divert its path by colliding another trolley into it, but if you do, both will be derailed and go down a hill, and into a yard where a man is sleeping in a hammock. He would be killed. Should you proceed?
thank you but i don't debate usually with people who can't read a book for themselves so it will be the last time i respond. a salam alaykom peace be with you.
exactly, as you can see historically, we never had problems between muslims and jews in morocco.
it's a political problem, israel is the last western colonial state in muslim lands. and it's simply a big military base to control the oil of the middle east.
the moroccan jews in general are against the politics of israel. because they know that peace is possible, they lived in it. but the ashkinazy jews (european) have different views and a colonial western mind.
exactly that's why god being outside the universe is not subject to time because he created time. and that why einstein himself was not atheist.
atheists used to say the universe is eternel has no beginning, but since the universe has a beginning then it's his cause that don't have a beginning meaning god.
Why about little girls not in puberty and even weak teenagers with hijab ?
Let the Quran speak: "Prophet, enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers to draw their veils close round them. That is more proper, so that they may be recognized and not be molested." So the believers use to molest women and the veil is just an identification garment. What modesty?
Men should cover their heads too
100% true
what is the context of this verse? have you correctly read it from the beginning? i don't think so, because you would have noticed that it's speaking about those who betrayed a peace treaty, just simply read the verse before 9:4.
Some emigrated to Israel for religious reasons, some feared persecution, and others left for better economic prospects than they faced in post-colonial Morocco. With every Arab-Israeli war, tensions between Arabs and Jews would rise, sparking more Jewish emigration. By the time of the Yom Kippur War in 1973, the majority of Morocco's Jewish population had emigrated
should I readit whito or whitout the brackets.
¿who adds this brackets al over the paragraph? ¿alla did ?
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
quran 33 : 59
its mandatory for believing women in islam...
a runaway tram which he can only steer from one narrow track on to another; five men are working on one track and one man on the other; anyone on the track he enters is bound to be killed. what to do?
2) 3) in your dreams you are all alone whit yourself.
do you dream of doing bad or doing good
what you describe is the mentallity of "we" vs "them"
I'm talking about "us"
As before, a trolley is hurtling down a track towards five people. You are on a bridge under which it will pass, and you can stop it by dropping a heavy weight in front of it. As it happens, there is a very fat man next to you - your only way to stop the trolley is to push him over the bridge and onto the track, killing him to save five. Should you proceed?
1) it was about consequence, i am telling you if you can kill without any consequence would you do it? and why not?
2) 3) we are not speaking collectively we are speaking about one individual is it benefit to HIM to be less selfish or not. (of course it is for others) but the question why help others if it's not benefit to YOU?
4) the japanese shito is polytheistic, but the question is about Atheism, and objective morality. any kind of concept of god resolve that problem even if it's wrong
What exactly are people talking about in the comments?
Hijab is like any other Islamic obligation..
It should not be forced but encouraged...
At the same time it's NOT fine to belittle Islamic obligations as "personal choice" either.
Don't tell Muslims that it's TOTALLY OKAY to "choose" not to perform Islamic obligations...
Is it okay to 'choose' not to pray?
Can parents not enforce Islamic teaching into their children?
As Muslim scholar one must beware of making ambiguous statements which may be twisted by some people to validate their individualistic desires..
Can the pope visit Mecca yet?
4 hour ago you said "the book that muslims should follow"
¿are you muslim?
¿are you follow the book whit or whitout brackets?
thats correct one is to be non selfish in order to gain benefit for one self and the group
you are getting the hang of it I chose to give to the other and the other chose to give to me or to other. finally it is the self preservation of the species. in this case 1 +1 > 2
selfishness break the cycle
the handicaped may chose to die. it a completly diferent thing than go an kill them. no one can chose for the other or impose anything agains anybodys will
¡you just have quoted 15.8% quran 5:32!
and for quran 2:190 you do quoted 100% but Muhsin Khan is kind enough to tell us that it is incomplete
Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve months in the register of Allah the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
what about the quran and the hadithS? about prayer, can we impose to people to go to the mosque and pray? no we can't we can only give them nasiha and explain to them what they should do. because in the quran surat bakara 256: la ikraha fi dine: there is no compulsion in religion."
i was referring to the quran as a guide from god to humanity and you are making lough of me without knowing that you should be doing so with your own world view! i eventually established that god created human beings and he also gived free will and intelligence so we are ''special'' from this point of view, but if you believe that god does not exist than we are animals and after all just matter, we are atomes from the atheistic view! so even radio are better than as because it has a purpose.
What about the Hadith? Doesn't it say that the woman's body should be completed over except the face and the hands up to the wrist?
he is the best!
Sahih International
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
¿do you think I dont have google?
do not transgress
i quoted a verse from the holy quran, the book that muslims should follow. so if you don't agree with me you should provide your proof, show me from the quran what you are assuming.
i am open to a respectful and logical dialogue with you since you are no more disrespectful.
first of all can you please tell me from your perspective how do you define goodness and how can we know what's good and what's not.
about your question i sincerely have not ever think about it, but to relate it to the question is goodness objective or subjective, i would ask who is worthy of being in the walhalla, for exemple if the Nazis had won the war will widerstand be there? and why?
no that's not the point i will not do it and i can also say that you will not.
but the point is why not?
if we are only atoms, matter that started by chance, what's wrong with ''killing'' someone or let's say readjusting matter in the universe ? do you see? is love objectively good? in other words even if there no humans is it good? if i believe in god it's simple yes! but if not than good is just a feeling created by atoms in the brain! so good does not really exist from the atheistic view.
very good question.
but simple, since by definition god is the creator of the universe and everything literally, any conception of god that suppose he was born or has a father i will reject (that's part of the reasons i am not christian). so in other world it's illogical that god have a beginning or a father, because if something was before him he could not created it. and if we say he just have a ''start'' than he will him self need a cause. P.S zeus is the son of cronus in greek mythology
first of all. promise me you are not trying to make say sahada
I will not suddenly realize I was a muslim all this time
there's not a "god based morallity".
good is to do what ever seems to be the better option at any given time, even when it is contradictory. you must allways breath, but not under water.
and yes some times we could get it wrong that doesnt make you a bad person
theres no fail safe method of doing things. we are not radios or cars that comes whit operation manuals.
i am saying that if you don't believe in ''the god'' or even in a false concept of god you have a problems and it's not logical at all.
1) how can we even use the word ''good'' if after all good or bad is just a perception that we have, and we can change our minds on whats good and whats wrong.
2) related to the same question: lets suppose we are all nazis, on witch basis can we say it's wrong? if good is defined by as?
but if god exist, he define good and bad and we can't change it.
even more
rejecting deaht for apostasy is rejecting sharia. and you know that is the same as rejecting islam
I have contacted the proper autorities at your local masjid and they tell me that are taking serious measures
good day sir
yes i am muslim.
you told me something about islam then i asked you for a reference, you told me quran 9:5 then i showed you that you are wrong
and i can tell that you have never read the quran before and you are quoting from a anti-islamic web site simply because you don't know the context of the verse you are referent to.
sorry then, i misunderstand you brother. of course we should seek more knowledge about islam and practice it!
look if you are a sincere person you would debate rationally the issues and answer to my argumentation logically. because my argument maybe old but it convinced the most intelligent and human beings like newton or heinstein tesla kelvin ... so who did refuted it? and how? explain it rationally, it will not be real if you keep repeating your belief that god don't exist or that someone refuted this or that without addressing the point logically.
they left out things because it was against their theology some times, there is 2 possibilities here, the illiterate mohammed (pbuh) copied books before him to come with the quran, or did send prophets and he did send him as a prophet. why i think evidently it's second proposition:
1) the quran don't copy mistakes from the bible.
2) we don't need to claim for the quran that it's god words because the quran state it itself.
3) quran is miraculous.
that's my point of view.
you can readit whito or whitout.
when some of us dies is over
we have just one life. and only one oportunity to be good for goodnes sake. that why life is precious.
I recomend to you to be happy yoursefl and kind to others
stop worryng about non real things
another thing
¿have you ever compare walhalla to jhanna?
¿what are your thoung on this?
PD you keep breaking your promise
5. Argument from Authority
In some term you are hiding the truth and not directly saying and explaining the Quranic verse and the hadith from prophet Mohammad (PBHU) about Hijab or Khemar.
2) 3) when I am not selfish I became one whit the other and feel happy whit them. their gain is my gain in a kind of zen way
being not selfish is actualy prety hard few people get to do it right.
but we must try to lift us an others from darkness.
religion ofers you rewards to do it. but doing it for the reward is selfish itself
i am sorry but there is allot of confusions in your statements, you misunderstood me i did not told you that if you can't prove god doesn't exist. so god exist. i told you if you can't than don't make a definite statement like ''there is no god''. in the other hand i told you i have good reasons to believe in god.
anything that have a beginning have a cause. the universe have a beginning therefore have a cause. this cause can't be part of the universe so this cause is not subject to time.
you asked about killing, god say in the quran it's not permitted unless in the context of war in self-defense.
when it speaks about the messengers here it's about moses, david peace be upon them... so it's not ''mohammed (peace be upon him) is awesome.
many of them were transgressors according to god, not all of them. i am from morocco and some of my friends are jews.
remember the question was about objective morality and you don't even believe good and bad exist
what do you think
you are right. it must be the majority of the totallity
we must work on inclusion not segregation
Is this form God and if so from what God ua-cam.com/video/bRrcnH4qtSI/v-deo.html
yes i prefer the idea that objective morality exist witch means good and bad are not subject to time or space, whats good is good and whats bad is bad. but you simply believe you should not be selfish, well the first question is why not?
and the other problem is the question of majority related to benefits, my example was when the handicapped people where killed by nazis for the benefit of the majority according to you it's ''good''.
but not to me, simply because god said so.
the apple dont fall far from the tree
I thoug you was a sincere person
this is the list of thing you would try
1. Argument from Design
2. Pascal's Wager
3. Argument from Improbability
4. Argument from Personal Experience
5. Argument from Authority
6. First Cause Argument
7. Argument from Coercion
8. The Transcendental Argument
9. Argument from Popularity
10. Shifting the Burden of Proof
so far you tryed N°10 and now you are triying N°6
all this is as old as siting in your butt and all have been refuted
save your time
you don't know me or my opinions my dear.
you spoke to me first, and it was clear that have not read the quran or any serious and neutral book about islam because other wise you would not claim that killing is allowed in islam. i will not insult you like you did. good luck to you asalam alaykom peace be with you.
how the handicaped are diferent from the man on the tracks??
the objective of this hipotetical question is to show there is no objective good or bad. any option is good and bad.
I think you missed that.
No, but cover hair and dress modestly.
Actually, in an Islamic state it is enforced.
most probably the character of jesus is the compund of multiple real and mythological persona
the power on christianity is exactly the fact that is a greco roman philosophy dressed as "oriental"
muslims think that jesus come whit a book under his arm, but reality is that the gospels come much later
more over the isa of koran is not the same as jesus of the bible, isa is not the son of god, and was not crucified and for christian the message of jesus is "love your neighbor as yourself"
i am not in ''dawha mode''. simply trying to explain to you my world view, and i think that, logically speaking i can establish my world view (that's why i am muslim).
for me evidently speaking there is a creator, that's why i pray, fast give 2.5% of my money every years... if could not prove it i would not believe it.
you are just giving me statements without any evidence. why you don't believe Mohammed(pbuh) was illiterate (evidently)?
the concept of treason comes inside the brackets
this is a big diference
you are contradicting yourself, if you are not selfish just to have benefit that it self is selfish because in the end of the day you are only doing it for yourself.
and according to why not be selfish well it's because ''you will not have friends'' so it's really all about yourself after all.
killing the handicapped is benefit to the normal people witch is the majority and you said that's what define good. so handicapped should not be selfish and die for the benefit of all?
we don't believe jesus(pbuh) come with a paper book, and even if we do it's not contradicting evidence. the point is if we have gospelS then something is wrong because as we have A quran we should have A gospel. we can argue that at one point there was an original in aramaic that we no longer have, but even with marc, luc... muslims can prove that it's the same religion by going to the oldest marc and showing the devopement from the historical muslim jesus to christian one in john the last.
:D ok if you say so. but you asked why not this concept of god so i answered seriously i tough you was serious... and by the way we believe in jesus(pbup) and that he came with the same message as all prophets: worship the creator the only true god. but when Christianity developed we can actually see the influence of this ideas from greek and roman culture, that's why Christianity although similar to Judaism and Islam, is also different.judaism and islam share much in comment in the other hand
of course we can change our mind about good or bad,
remember:
- breathing is always good ¿or not?
good is what it is beneficial right now for the majority
¡even Spock say so!
so you believe in cronus then
then you do undrfdtsn thr falacy of the first cause argument. but you just dont aply it yo ahlla
1) you mean when a cop kills a journalist? this could be by accident or by wrong doing on any or both parts, and wrong doing comes from selfishness
2) collectively we have more. we have 100% of material good and the good feeling of sharing
3) yes giving your life to save others is beneficious for the group the reward is for the community you give to the others. many myths show this, including jesus
4) but japanese shito is polytheistic and not abrahamic
so according to you we should just use our own mind to know good from bad, but you just said nazis where sincere, so we can't trust our own opinions, because by definition that's subjective witch means you can tell that X is actually good but i can disagree.
so the difficulty is since everyone has his own point of views we can't use this as a guide to goodness.
there where many more gospels than the four on the bible, those where included in the bible for political and practical reasons.
they left out thing they deemed not important like jesus talking as a baby or making clay birds fly.
you will find similarities between koran and gospels because those where compiled in about the same region in about the same time.
many thik islam is a response to this process
as physics undertand it today time is a fenomena that started whit the universe. there was no time before. or in others word there is no time outside the universe, at least the time we percive
that why einstein talk about time-space as a single thing
Now, my problem is , how dare she call her dad Brother Shabir :|
When??
When did she say that?
from my perspective god tells as whats good full stop, from yours there is no god, so there is no good ether! simply because if there is no god then nothing to define objective goodness, and nothing is wrong with killing people to dominate because after all it's all about survival and god don't exist that's the first point.
you said there is no god, so i assume you can prove it because you made a definite statement.
and to be fair i can tell you why i think it's more reasonable to believe.
Yes
I like his answer.