Patch Battle - Behringer DeepMind 12 vs Roland JUNO-X
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
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» 1:32 Patch 1 - Massive Synth
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This was both fun and at the same time gave some insite... Great format! Hope to see more!!!
Another great video! Keep it up guys. 🙌🏻
Something I respect about Behringer's synth team is that something like a Deepmind 12 which is basically a $1000 synth is hitting in the weight class of a synth that is double its price which doesn't even feel unreasonably priced. The DM12 is IMO class leading for under $1000 USD and still contends for class leading under like $3000 only edged out slightly by the Polybrute.
The deepmind 12 is the first synth that I just wanna play constantly and feels incredibly fun. I feel like I'm on an adventure every time. I can't understand why anybody would bother to nit pick it. I go on long journeys with it.
This video was great! Educational and entertaining! Nice job team!
I liked the Deepmind best. But how about a competition that you both have a initialized patch dialed in and get a card with a category in it and you’ve both 5 minutes to build a patch from scratch. The guy handing over the card of course must wear a lab-coat just like in Topgear :-)
Get Mr Tickle
who can make the best song!
What would have been a lot more interesting here, given how similar the Deepmind's architecture is to that of the classic Juno, would be to simultaneously use both synths to construct similar patches, comparing things like how the oscillators, filters and envelopes sound.
BINGO! This vid isnt much of a comparison. Since the patches are even similar.
Hey Si 👋 Totally here ya and this comment often comes up with this style of video we do. I completely agree with you and hopefully one day we’ll have the time but the excuse at the moment is that we film a minimum of 4 videos a day, one day a week and so the type of video (which you rightly ask for!) just isn’t viable at the moment with our schedule. Just throwing that out there, no excuses, just how the cookie crumbles at the moment. Plus - I don’t think we would ever do comparisons as good as people like Starsky Carr, Mylar Melodies, Woody’s Piano Shack, Ricky Tinez, Bo Beats, J3PO, Geosynths etc Thanks so much for giving the video a try any way Brother and best wishes ❤
Try Jorb's channel, here's one for starters ua-cam.com/video/kS2RaG_q4es/v-deo.html
How could I forget Jorb off my list 😔 Good shout Justin ❤️
Agree with Jack on this one, this is just a fun quick one that is fun to watch. Making video content is nightmarish in the way it eats your time and I would rather have a few quick fun things thrown in between the deeper stuff they do. But lads, give yourself 3 minutes a patch at least! 😂
Love these!
The wildcard patch on the Deepmind 12 was the only one that "picked me up". Kudos to the Deepmind 12!
Waiting for this one!
Excellent review.
I have a Deepmind 12 since launch and it's been wonderful for me. Really wish behringer would make more original style synths and focus less on clones (yes I know this was modelled after a Juno but it's quite different).
Yes, I too own a DeepMind 12 since launch and I love it.
I am lucky to still have it, though, because my studio was broken into and a thief stole several of my equipment and a keyboard. The keyboard he stole was a 61-key Novation midi keyboard and I breathed a sigh of relief that he thought it was better than the DeepMind 12! I think that he decided to take the bigger keyboard and didn't realize that he could've gotten more cash for the DM12! That was lucky for me!
@@metaspherz wow that is lucky! Sorry about the break in though, really hope everything works out ok!
I agree. Behringer ought to make more original synths, but you can't accuse them of not giving us what we want. I'll admit to getting quite a few of their products, however my favourites are the DM12 and the Neutron. Looking forward to the Proton. Love Heinakroons design for a polysynth. Even for Behringer though that would be one hell of an expensive synth.
@@metaspherz lucky indeed!! Not that you had the break-in. That was, indeed, bad luck. But on a sliding scale it could have been much worse I hope.
I hope your insurance company didn't put up too much of a fight.
One way to think about it is that you're just having a studio revamp. Just don't think about the cause behind it! I know, easier said than done.
even with the deepmind being behringers most original synth yet.. they still have some cloned dna in them. namely the filter circuitry. it's a copy of the stuff found in the Juno106 and the jupiter 8
Loved this guys, very funny and entertaining! Let’s do more of these Mates! Kyle from the US
Deepmind 12 love! It's used on all of my albums! Love that synth. My album "Deep Chill Schnooby" is 99.9% Deepmind 12 using mostly default patches with some modifications.
making album without multitimbral synth means sampling.
Just a month ago I debated buying one of these 2, deciding against a vintage Juno. I went with DM12 and it's awesome, especially considering used prices.
Good video, thank you!
That arp sound on the deep mind was sick
Fun video! The Falcon's playing on that "Future Glock" patch was INSPIRED.
I own them both, fantastic units. Deep Mind 12 sounds great with it's FX's, so does the JUNO X. Just a clean sound with no FX's JUNO X sounds much better to my ears through my HS8's. There is no loser here that's for sure. DP 12 Best bang for your Analogue $$ on the planet imho.
These videos hit different when you own one of the synths involved! The Deepmind is really competing well considering it's "older" and quite a bit less expensive! Cool video for me, cuz I'm very curious about the Juno X so it's fun to hear it against a synth I know the tone of well.
Great vid guys. Have to say, love my deepmind.
The Juno-X completely destroys the Deepmind on the first four I think. And it can clearly do so much more, but there’s a price tag for that too.
Synths are kinda like tattoos... "a good one is never cheap, a cheap one is never good"
The preseta of the Deepmind are not good at all. At least not for me, but it’s a great juno synth if you make it sound like a juno! Tweak it !!
Like they say, an analogue emulation is never analogue. No chance the juno will ever get there.@@DurararaX2
Excellent video! There's a lot to take from this challenge. First, I don't think there is a clear winner here. Owning both of these, I can concur that bass, solo, and some arpeggios are strengths for the Deepmind 12. (Let's face it 12-voice Unison is a thing of beauty.) The Juno has a lot under the hood, for sure (and even more with Zen Core addons), so pads, effects, and massive soundscapes are a breeze. Here's the thing, though: The DM12 is less than half the price. So, depending on what sounds you're after, this might be a no-brainer. I personally love and use both daily.
Gonna give this one to the Juno X - because price isn't a factor in this. But it's surprising how well a sub-1000 dollar synth versus the Juno. Food for thought.
I'd be interested in a shootout between the Summit and the Hydrasynth Deluxe. Thanks, Guys!
Is crazy how good the Deepmind is for price, Thank you for sharing !
This just reminded me that I need to consider the deepmind for next year.
May consider buying just for that last patch alone
Good clean fun, lads
I love y’all!
Man, the two are a real stunner! Jack and the Falcon aren't too bad either.
Liked both but in this case, the Roland a bit more.
man, that Juno x just sounds Great. and it seemed like it was way easier to find great sounds fast on it.
I think Jacks face said it all in the Juno Pad! Is it the Juno fo me, it sounds it’s got more depth, but the deep mind wild was absolutely fantastic! So hard to decide…..mmmmmm think I’ll go with the Juno, but thank you both for a very enjoyable video, man how lucky you are to have a job like you both have at Andertons! Just keep them coming x
Great video, guys. I have a DM12 and love it. So many tricks under the hood. Keep up the great content!
Love the Deepmind but it's presets don't really do it justice.
I think the main issue is the sheer number of presets. I would have rather had maybe one or 2 banks (128 per bank) of really good ones instead of 8 banks where you have to continuously search for one to your liking. Option paralysis.
I coul not agree more! Check out Geosynths Patches for the Deepmind. They will blow you away. Incredible work.
I think the stock presets suck, but I absolutely love the synth and use it every day.
@low_e_music I've had it since 2019 and still haven't heard them all. Not really interested in them at all but it's an amazing synth
I loved this! So good to see some Deepmind12 love! (my first analogue synth mostly due to the high praise of it from you Jack! 😍)
I was lucky that I bought it second hand from a guy who had a bank of the Ultimate Patches loaded on it - these kind of blow the factory patches out of the water - I highly recommend those ones!
The factory patches are All together just a joke, this synth has so great sounds, but you must replace alle the factory preset shit and I bought a few banks, and this synth is wonderful!
@@texacomann Yes it's night and day isn't it? Which presents did you get? I have the Ultimate Patches ones and Jorb's 😊💙
@@derekfernandez7701 Jorbs are really great, I love them. And analog Audio, here is the link: m.ua-cam.com/video/sIqSLpXilwA/v-deo.html
@@texacomann Oh thanks so much for the link - those sound amazing! I love some of the string sounds on there - epic! 😮
@@derekfernandez7701 These Sounds are just a few bucks away from you! The Deepmind is a sleeping Synth as long as you keep the original presets on it. Do you want to hear soundeffects, keep the original presets on it. If you want to play music and NO matter on stage in a Band or in the studio, this synths is wonderful but you need further presets to mess on stage with a Rockband or anything like that.....
Good times 👍🏾
My mind expected Juno but my heart said Deepmind. Fortunately, I already have one.
where can I find the first Patch Battle pls?
I own the DeepMind12 and a Juno-60. Or how I like to call it, the DeepMind18 together. Delicious sounds in their own way :)
Awesome video. The Juno naturally won the "Juno Pad". I like the Deepmind "Wild Card" choice. You should do prophet 6 vs polybrute.
Yes... second that... Prophet 6 against Polybrute!!!
The Deep Mind wins without even having a contest because it has the ultimate Factory Patch - The Outer Rim Job!
How about the HydraSynth and any other wavetable synth?
Both are great. The deepmind is higher up on my GAS list.
Both were nice. I have been thinking of buying DeepMind for a year now. It is affordable for me and because Juno X is out of my league I don’t even think about it. But if money werent issue, then I would probably watch some demos of Juno X again
The Juno is more 'in the middle of the road' as where I like the edges more, so the DM12 is the winner for me. A Similar battle between the DM12 and Modal Argon 8X would be fun. (ànd they are both in the same price range)
I'm in favor of a draw. I wouldn't want to hurt either of these synths. Great idea, great video guys
NOW YOU HAVE TO DO THE MONOPOLY AND POLY D LIKE YOU PROMISED
The Robbie patch always makes people 😲
DM 12 for me about time I removed the dust covers from mine been a while.
I think that Juno sounds better, because it's sound very old, like 80s. I like synth pop. Behringer is cheap and I decided to buy it in the near future but I want Juno ;D.
I have several boards, but my DM12 only has like 100 original miles on it but it’s easily my favorite synth (even more than my dx7 w/E!).
I got the deepmind wich is amazing for sounddesign but it needs the that other keyboard too. But if i had to choose its the deepmind.
Deepmind all the way - although factory presets do not do it justice. I know some people might disagree but the Juno "Warm Pad" sounds cold and thin - As much as I really want to like the Juno-X, it sounds like a Roland Cloud Plug-in-in-a-box - it is very good but does not sound beautiful. The Deepmind is way warmer and fuzzier. My guess is that I am hearing on the Deepmind are the analog imperfections and harmonic distortion with no aliasing.
😂
Finally the face-off we're been waiting for - Deep Mind v Juno-X. Let's go! 😄
Round 1 - Massive: Juno
Round 2 - Brown: DM
Round 3 - Arp: DM
Round 4 - Juno pad: Juno (duh)
Round 5 - Wildcard: DM
These are fun videos. Thanks, Jack and Falcon.
The Behringer Deepmind 12 is a low key legendary synth!
I'm in Australia, so i can't really buy from you guys (logistically, financially, and often "country-specific power supply"-lly lol). But damn i love your videos, i learn so much just by watching you guys fluff around and have an awesome fun time with incredible tech. Thanks for sharing
09:40. Gorgeous sound!!!!!!
I almost sold my Deepmind 12 D when I got the Minifreak but...in hindsight I'm glad I didn't. It takes a bit of coaxing out but there are some great tones hidden in there with a little tweaking, and the mod-matrix and FX sections are super powerful.. Great unit at a great price.
Please do this with the astrolab vs polybrute 🙏🏻
Since there are now more than ever little boxes from Roland, Behringer and others. Could you both stack 5 boxes and connect it to a (computer) controller and create scapes with them. I mean that would mean people will buy more boxes.
I LITERALLY SAID OUT LOUD TO MYSELF YESTERDAY I WONDER WHAT JACK THINKS ABOUT THE JUNO VS THE DEEPMIND.
2 VA synths would be cool to see, i.e Colbalt 5 vs Hydrasynth Explorer 🙂👍 btw, Deepmind the winner 4 me.
Cool shootout! The Deepmind is such an underappreciated synth. It is priced right, easy to use, is massively capable, and just sounds fantastic overall. The Juno X is killer too. I mean, it's a Juno, what else does it need? For me, here, the Deepmind wins but you absolutely cannot go wrong either way.
I would like to see the Kurzweil K2700 Vs. Yamaha Montage.
Poor Jack. The presets on the Deepmind, were from what I recall, hardly its strong suit. Though yeah, that wildcard patch is the exception that proves the rule: sounds so good.
Whoa! Finally the Falcon!
Glad that I kept my DM12 and successfully fought my GAS when it came to the JunoX, given that the DM12 is doing remarkably well in this battle. Fun video! Thanks for all the inspiration and best of success in all your future venues. My battle suggestion would be Polyevolver vs Modwave. Love and light from Coconut Homes Resort in Khao Lak, Thailand 🇹🇭❤️☀️🏖🌴🥥🐘
The Juno G actually packed a pretty in depth synth engine, that being the Roland XR/Fantom X engine.
While it lacked a number of Roland's current Zen engine features, most notably in areas of VA, FM, and 3 band EQ per partial, it actually exceeded Roland's current Gen in arguably two key areas.
1. It carried a greater amount of routing "Struct(s)"ures. So patches could be set into numerous single osc to single filter OR dual osc fed into dual filters in serial configurations. There were also numerous ring modulation and Oscillator "boost" functions that could be done within some of the "Structs".
2. While by no means extensive, the engine did feature a rather basic and useful Granular capability for Osc. Basically, loaded (particularly user created) waves could be tempo locked for auto real-time time stretching and the time stretching algorithm employed was pretty darn good with often up to 3 octaves able to be achieved. So, want to use a sampled wave that had some sort of tempo related action occurring (LFO sweeps, percussion, or what have you) as an Oscillator for further synthesis? Not only not a problem on the Juno G, but up to 4 such Osc could be used simultaneously. Another area of worthy note here is various interesting granular synthesis effects could be achieved by offsetting the root/base tempo of waves.....
If a sampled wave were originally at 60 BPM, telling the G that it actually was 240 BPM for example in order to get more stretched and grainy effects out of the osc behavior.
The default amount of user sampling time was pretty short, BUT, this could be increased to 512MB, allowing for up to some 50+ minutes of user waves!
The XR/X engine had also introduced 16 step wave programmable LFOs and these LFOs could either come in sets of 2 per single Osc->Filter->Amp or (in a way) 4 per dual Osc-> dual Filter->Amp. It depended on the Struct assignment.
"PMT" was also introduced, which allowed for things akin to (Wolfgang Palm) Wavetable, Korg "Wave Sequencing", and EMU Transwave and kinda/sorta "Preset Link" abilities. In essence, any given patch on the X/XR engine could be a make up of what would be an equal of
4 stacked single osc -> single filter -> amp synths
2 stacked dual osc -> dual filter -> amp synths
or
2 stacked single osc -> single filter -> amp synths ON TOP OF 1 dual osc -> dual filter -> amp synth
"PMT" could then be used to sweep through through these stacks via LFO, Envelope, velocity, key tracking, or modulation wheel control.
Suffice to say, most notably when paired with the granular osc capabilities (limited as they were/are) one could quickly start getting some very crazy and complex timbre actions out of PMT.
For these reasons, would say one can definitely hold argument for the Juno G (and XR/Fantom X engine in general) actually being a stronger synth engine than Roland's current Zen (Fantom / Jupter X / MC-707 & 101, AX Edge, etc.) when one specifically boils things down to the area of sample based osc.
As is often the case, Roland really didn't at all show off how deep the abilities the engine of the G went in the stock presets and compounding this, unfortunately, deep programming on the G wasn't exactly a pleasure. The XR/X engine was/is pretty deep and this meant one could quickly land themselves in a menu diving hell if not using a soft editor and sticking to programming natively on the G itself.
I'm not sure as haven't had opportunity to fiddle with it, but at least from a skim over things, it "seems" to me that Roland may have continued employing the XR/X engine in the current Juno DS line.
Juno-X
DeepMind presets are traaaaash! But the synth is so so capable
Polybrute v Novation Summit v The UDO 6.......BTW I had a DM12 sold it, bought a Prophet X, but the last patch from the DM12 was the best of the lot.
The Deepmind is one of the few Behringer synths I like. It's design is more original and doesn't give me the icky 'fake Rolex' feeling of their clones. With that said, I really want a Juno-X. Sure it's twice the price of the Deepmind and digital, but since it's multi-timbral and has Roland bread-and-butter sounds also, it has a much wider range and would be at least 4x more useful to me. Add your sequencer of choice and you could make a whole track with just the Juno-X.
Out of curiosity, what’s drawing you to these Juno clones when there are perfectly functioning OG Junos out there which are infinitely repairable and increase in value over time vs future doorstops that only lose value over time?
@@Sensorium_Studios The price of used Junos is overblown and repairing vintage synths sucks...that's just my opinion. Mind you I'm not knowledgeable/skilled to do self-repairs and don't consider myself a collector/gear horder. I've owned a Juno-106 and other analog synths from that era...still have a couple. I'd rather have something brand new that comes close to the sound and interface and gets the job done. The amount of time, energy, and money in restoring vintage is usually too much of a hassle for me. I'd rather be making tunes.
@@coolo73 the best part of you comment, I quote: I’d rather be making tunes.
That really puts things in perspective for a non-collector like myself.
That last patch you did on the DeepMind 12 was sick though...
Deepmind just sounds too damn good for the price!
Great video ... but the Juno clocks in at nearly £1700.00 the DeepMind 12 can be bought for about 5 to £600 second hand , the DM6 is even cheaper , different markets , but hey still nice to hear them both 👍
I actually bought a Deepmind 6 a while back and am considering upgrading to the 12, such a great synth
Deep Mind 12 sounds astonishingly good .. as does the Juno-X.
Roland for the win... 3 to 2..
I enjoy my DM6 quite a bit but its oscillators do not achieve deep, raw bass without some effort. Voice stacking, Boost button on, and some combination of drive effect, EQ, phaser, FX feedback loop, etc. Wow, the Juno X sounds like the Ultimate Roland VST! At least, until Roland releases their next legacy-based synth in approximately 2 years. I can no longer tell the difference between their VA/ACB stuff.
Just like the uncertainty in these vids. 👍👍
Juno is a classic ... first synth in my 1st band ... love it! Behringer just seem to be there too, great sounds!
The Roland sounds better imo. Even though it’s more expensive I think you get more bang for your buck with the Roland as you can get the Roland cloud and get loads more models and patches where as the the Deepmind is just one model and what u get is what u get so whilst it cheaper I think the Roland is better value in the long run.
close, so close ... love both synths!
Do a comparison with the original Juno-60 or 106. I think the mighty chorus is very hard to emulate.
I love my DeepMind12 12 so I’m a biased, Juno was nice tho not jealous at all 🤥
yes sound design battle would be cooler
How fair is it to compare the 2 with one having an extra 12 keys for added tonal range?
Tonal range has nothing to do with amounts of keys right?
I need to ask out of curiosity... What's the history behind that famous block table you use for all these reviews, particularly why it has 4 square holes with evidence of something mounted over them in its past life? By the way, Juno X wins anyday over the DeepMind 12 which sounded... well like a Behringer!
The deepmind is going to destroy the Juno-X if the Juno is only used in J-X mode - the Zen core itself is more of a challenge since the features better match the Deepmind. Someone is going to comment that the "Analog"-ness of the DM is better/worse/not comparable, but really I think that matters less - go play the Cobolt8 and tell me it matters its digital.
Meanwhile, the price is very different, You can get a DeepMind 12 + a B2600 for the cost of this Juno ...
And that Juno is 4 part multitimbral + drums. Like it or not, you have to factor that in. 4 synths
The DeepMind 12 fucks but I'd probably buy a Juno X if they were the same price.
This Kranky Guy ❤s the Juno!
I got a used DM12 for under $600 usd. I'm happy with it.
I am honest here, DM12 didn't look too great in the first ten minutes. But man! That wild card patch sells it to me. It sounds genuine analoge, textured with a bit of stereo wideness. I am pretty sure you can't pull that up with the didital Juno-X.
I was blown away by the Juno honestly. I came prepared to hate it but it sounds so good. Deepmind presets aren’t the greatest, I know it can sound way better than what it did here. Its a shame the Juno X is so absurdly priced, considering it sounds good but its all digital. No reason it should be more than the Prophet rev 2.
Both being very close to each other
Deepmind all the way.
I have seen quite a few artists using the Juno X onstage (I attend many shows in L.A. SF and SoCal). Still haven't seen one artist using a Burringer synth on stage. I wonder why that is ?
Moog One vs OB X8, come on : )
Love the deepmind so much
I’d refuse all fist bumps and high fives. I’m a misery.
I Would rather buy the Deepmind, JU-06A, or System-8 over the overpriced Juno-X. I love Juno-X for the look though.