And this is why we need to get our hands on a a beta or alpha build of the game So we can dump all the files and get them working with the current version
As for other Dark Brotherhood members, there is one other possible member. Roderic Pierrane. He lives in the Imperial City, Talos Plaza District. In his basement, he has a Black Hand banner. Whether this was unfinished content or left behind on mistake, it's still something to think about.
@@fuchsraeude1294that, and he spends like two days just wandering around his house rather than following his script. cut content seems pretty likely lol
I have always wondered about this but never put thought into it. After so many years of the game being released and the same videos being made over and over again, you are making fresh content.
@@ABardsBallad yeah bro, short videos talking about head-canon things is always enjoyable. I've often wondered about the other sanctuaries, because Lucien touches on there being other families, yet we never see them. I feel that both crime factions of the thieves guild and dark brotherhood being on hard times is kinda confusing with skyrim because war means business for those two. It feels like they wanted to excuse not having more families in skyrim by making astrid an authoritarian leader
I would also guess that Bruma and Leyawiin house two of the other Sanctuaries, mainly due to J'Ghasta and Alval Uvani having residences in those cities. I'm not too sure about there being one in the Gold Coast region any more though; personally I would guess that there's probably one around the Chorrol region. We know that Mathieu Bellamont was a Silencer for one of the Speakers, but we don't know when he became a Speaker. We know of three Speakers at the start of the game; Lucien Lachance, J'Ghasta and Alval Uvani. I would guess that Arquen is the fourth Speaker. She's the one that leads the rest of the Speakers to the Night Mothers crypt in Bravil, she basically acts as the de facto leader of the guild at that point. The dead drop you get to kill her also directs you to ask around the Grey Mare in Chorrol, so its possible she has a headquarters around that region. As for the other two Speakers you see at Applewatch, I'd say that since Belisarius Arius says most of his time is spent on administrative duties, he was probably an Executioner in one of the other Sanctuaries, either the leader or a similar role to Vicente Valtieri. Banus Alor seems like he's another Silencer, but might be a more recent promotion, since we killed two Black Hand members who weren't Speakers, which leaves the player and Mathieu to complete the four Silencers of the Black Hand. Although Arquen does mention that even the Listeners successor is dead, so maybe Shaleez or Havulstein Hoar-Blood was originally going to succeed Ungolim as the Listener. Looking at Cicero's journals, he mentions two other Sanctuaries around Tamriel, one in Corinthe and one in Wayrest. What if the Speakers also oversee Sanctuaries in neighboruing provinces? J'Ghasta could be the Speaker for Bruma, Falkreath and Dawnstar, Alval Uvani could oversee Leyawiin, Corinthe, and any potential Black Marsh sanctuary, and Arquen could oversee Chorrol, Wayrest, and any potential Hammerfell sanctuary. Lucien might be attempting to get some sort of a foothold in Morrowind, who knows
Very interesting points! Yeah who knows for sure! A few other people have brought up the point over the speakers overseeing other sanctuaries throughout Cyrodiil, so could be on to something!
Unlikely some parts: Oblivion lore makes is that there are 7 Speakers, not 5, but only 3 Silencers. The 7 Speakers are Lucien, Arquen, Belisarius, Banus, Mathieu, J'Ghasta and Alval. The Silencers would be you (Lucien says during the Purification the last one was recently killed), Shaleez and Havilstein... The only logical concusion would be that J'Ghasta and Alval were Silencers, not Speakers.
@@schuringleon3207 "The only logical concusion would be that J'Ghasta and Alval were Silencers, not Speakers." You're forgetting that they both have Black Hand hoods and robes stored in their houses. No Silencers wear that outfit, only Speakers. Also remember what Lucien said about your targets. "Your dead drops went unvisited, your targets ignored. Instead, you have been systematically killing off all the members of the Black Hand! J'Ghasta, Shaleez, Alval Uvani, Havilstein Hoar-Blood -- Speakers and Silencers all. And Ungolim... the Listener himself!" It seems far more likely that both Belisarius Arius and Banus Alor were recently promoted just like the player and Mathieu Bellamont, which is why Arquen pretty much takes the lead when you go to visit the Night Mothers crypt
One thing worth noting is it’s completely possible sanctuaries move from time to time as we saw in Skyrim. Also it’s possible the idea that a sanctuary has to be run by a speaker may be a bit of oversell from the characters. Considering the events of Daggerfall we find out they have a “guild hall” which seems about the same as a sanctuary in every damn town and city. That being said if a guild hall is different it could be the case that the speakers may live in Cyrodill but operate in other provinces and may only have a couple of true sanctuaries in the province, the rest being guild halls which wouldn’t need a speaker.
Very true! Lots of things to consider! There were also atleast 6 different speakers to account for during oblivion at different times so that could be something to consider too!
Oh yeah, we've been asking thos since the game came out lmao. A shame to not see them expand on their *own* lore in their own game, coming from their OWN friggin dialogue! Technically though, we *do* interact with some of the other Sanctuaries members, via killing the Black Hand, and meeting the rest of them at Lucian's death.
Would've been fun to see the rest of the brotherhood. Either finding other members in the area, maybe visiting them, or even only finding the door, but without the local password, have entry denied.
Wait, something just hit me. Alval Uvani makes trips to other cities, posing as a traveling merchant right? Well, what if these merchant trips are actually to the other Sanctuaries? He takes his goods and sells them and the Sanctuary members. The cities he visits are: Bravil, Bruma, and Skingrad. While he lives in Leyawiin. So, could it be possible that his Traveling Merchant guise is really him just visiting the other Sanctuaries?
@@ABardsBallad also, just for fun, it's also stated that each Speaker their own personal Assassin known as Silencer's. I've pieced together which Silencer goes to which Speaker. The easiest was Bruma. J'Ghasta is the Speaker, while Havelstein Hoar-Blood (who is on Gnoll Mountain in the Jerall Mountains) is a Silencer. Ungolim, while the Listener, I feel like je too would have his own personal Assassin. That would be Shaleez, in the Flooded Mine, North of Bravil. Alval Uvani, the Speaker of Leyawiin, I would guess his Speaker would be the Traitor, Mathieu Bellamont. Since Leyawiin is a port town, they would often get trips to other port towns. In this case, Anvil, where Mathieu is based at. How else would Mathieu know Alval's schedule? He worked under him. (It's also worth noting that Mathieu Bellamont was the one who murdered all the Sailors of the Serpents Wake ship, as he says so himself in his Diary. Probably a Dead Drop given by Alval.) As for Skingrad, I actually haven't worked that out yet, since it's pretty tricky. Fafnir MIGHT be the Speaker, since he SPOKE to you before you went into the Manor. But, that's probably way to coincidental.
@@ytwyvern4240 not too plausible: Oblivion lore makes is that there are 7 Speakers, not 5, but only 3 Silencers. The 7 Speakers are Lucien, Arquen, Belisarius, Banus, Mathieu, J'Ghasta and Alval. The Silencers would be you (Lucien says during the Purification the last one was recently killed), Shaleez and Havilstein... The only logical concusion would be that J'Ghasta and Alval were Silencers, not Speakers.
An oversight the in-game Oblivion lore makes is that there are 7 Speakers, not 5, but only 3 Silencers. The 7 Speakers are Lucien, Arquen, Belisarius, Banus, Mathieu, J'Ghasta and Alval. The Silencers would be you (Lucien says during the Purification the last one was recently killed), Shaleez and Havilstein... The only logical concusion would be that J'Ghasta and Alval were Silencers, not Speakers.
I recently started playing some of the most recommended quest mods and unless it was already done (probably wasn't), I think it would be cool if someone made a mod also with this information in mind that is given about possible locations of other DB sanctuaries; a mod where we can actually check these DB sanctuaries and possibly have 2-3 quests related to them, that would be dope! Also now that I am thinking about it - Telaendril from Cheydinhal's sanctuary frequently travels to Leyawiin, right? And according to the information you provided in this video, there could be a guild hall in Leyawiin. Could this possibly mean that she is supposed to visit the sanctuary in there?
That would be a sick mod to play with! I’m with you on that one! Also it definitely could be with Telaendril! I didn’t even think about it, great call on that one!
4:23 that was the city or sutch, a cut city. You Can still see Fort Sutch in the Map, maybe close to the location of the goldcoast sanctuary (i dont remember the exact location of fort Sutch in Oblivion, but around this area)
I like to think there is a Sanctuary under the Oak and Crosier in Chorrol. If you go in the basement, the game plays the default dungeon music instead of town music. But this is due to the devs not assigning the correct music file to the cell. Then there is apparently leftover NPC dialog referencing suspicious activity going on at the inn. This could be linked to Fathis, a fence for the Thieves Guild, doing business there during a certain sidequest. But that is only during said sidequest. After the quest is done, he's supposed to return to the Imperial City, but often doesn't due to a bug. So since the inn has next to nothing to do with the Thieves Guild outside of one NPC asking you to fetch an item for him. I figure it makes more sense to put a Sanctuary in the basement behind a hidden door or something.
One question i have always wounder about is during the quest Bloated float Selene mentions that the blackwater company have a secret safe house in Bravil, is it even possible to find it or is it completely hidden?
I've said this before but I feel like Bravil has some type of dark brotherhood influence or something because why else would they put the night mother statue in the city and bury her there? I feel like this is no coincidence
I definitely would’ve thought there to be a sanctuary nearby and tbh there really could be! Maybe instead of in Leyawiin, there’s one in Blackwood closer to Bravil, who knows!
@@ABardsBallad exactly my thinking they wouldn't just leave their most prized idol aside from sithus unguarded and alone what if somebody defiled her statue you know? So I definitely think that there's a sanctuary close
I read through his journal entries again, and he only mentions that there were other ones beside Bruma and Cheydinhal, but doesn’t name drop them unfortunately
@@ABardsBallad ah. I knew he at least mentioned them. The only fun character(other than Sheogorath) in the entirety of Skyrim, so he IS a bit more memorable than the others... heck, i can't even recall most of the character names EXCEPT the dark brotherhood(mostly. I forget the old man, werewolf, argonian, and wood elf) and a few scattered others...(4 theives, a bartender, assorted quest givers, Two or three jarls... oh, and The pretty Dragon, Odahviing. They made that one's colors and pattern striking as hell.)
It definitely is a lot of untold lore! According to Cicero’s journal, the night mother’s crypt was sacked by a bunch of local skooma gangs, if I had to guess on the other sanctuaries though, maybe Imperial raids like Skyrim’s? Definitely a tough call!
@@ABardsBallad another option may be morag tong, they were severely wounded by red mountain but that still leaves a lot of time to hunt down the brotherhood while at full strength
@@qhu3878 But what evidence is there to support that? The Morag Tong are a Dunmer organization that mainly operates within Morrowind, worshiping Mephala as part of the Dunmer-ancestor Cult which predates the Tribunal. And Imperial efforts to eliminate the Brotherhood are mixed. My guess is that something happened within the Dark Brotherhood itself that caused a collapse, since external forces failed to destroy it up until its near-collapse in the Skyrim era.
The fact that the Night Mother's crypt was allowed to be looted by skooma gangsters is a testament to Sithis' status as a God. If that looting would truly injure him or the Night Mother in some way, he would have prevented it. Mere skooma gangsters couldn't overpower a God who employs a ct of assassins that operates throughout the world. Rather, Sithis' allowed it to happen to shame whatever Brotherhood members still remained at that point.
Your videos are better I think you're doing well. It's a bit dry I know when it comes to cool games and game related content that doesn't make you want to cringe.. in a bad way.. editing is nicer panning shots are better your manner of speaking is just that much better really decent middle voice not too low not too high neutral well rounded voice I can understand feeling caught not knowing always where to land for viewership not to annoy certain types of folks and just pleasing everyone without breaking your back or coming off desperate very good overall I'm going to relax on a few of your vids tonight
It could be cool to have a different sanctuary depending on where you committed your first murder. Maybe the province has two Sanctuaries, but you only know of one, until you become the Listener and gain access to the other Sanctuary in the province
Why would you go from sanctuary to sanctuary doing quests when they're essentially a cell, so if one of them gets routed out and killed, the other cells aren't compromised. You know like every other criminal organization. 😂
Sort of reminds me of how each city was suppose to have a arena but ended up being cut. I would of loved to see each different sanctuary.
Yeah exactly! I was just talking with another person about how it could have been cut content! Very interesting stuff!
I thought it was just Kvatch that was meant to have a arena, hence it being in ESO
And this is why we need to get our hands on a a beta or alpha build of the game
So we can dump all the files and get them working with the current version
As for other Dark Brotherhood members, there is one other possible member.
Roderic Pierrane. He lives in the Imperial City, Talos Plaza District. In his basement, he has a Black Hand banner.
Whether this was unfinished content or left behind on mistake, it's still something to think about.
Ahhh that’s very interesting! I didn’t know about Roderic! I’ll have to take a look at it! Cheers :)
Well, UESP suggests that his wife Elise is tired of him gambling away their fortune and therefore at least considers having him "removed". 💀
@@fuchsraeude1294that, and he spends like two days just wandering around his house rather than following his script. cut content seems pretty likely lol
The vile lair may be a decommissioned sanctuary. It has a sithis shrine
Very true! Definitely a strong possibility!
“I apologise for how many times the word “sanctuary” will be mentioned.”
Me, a big fan of The Cult: “Nah you’re good mate.”
Haha perfect then hopefully you enjoyed this one!
"She Sells Sanctuary" is a great song
Praise the Night Mother! Hail Sithis!
I have always wondered about this but never put thought into it. After so many years of the game being released and the same videos being made over and over again, you are making fresh content.
I’m glad to hear I’m not alone on this sanctuary debacle! 😂 I’m glad to hear you’ve enjoyed it! :)
We killing the heretics against Mephala with this one, Nerevarine.
Ay it’s my homie! I hope you enjoyed this one! Just some thoughts I wanted to express through a video 😂
@@ABardsBallad yeah bro, short videos talking about head-canon things is always enjoyable. I've often wondered about the other sanctuaries, because Lucien touches on there being other families, yet we never see them. I feel that both crime factions of the thieves guild and dark brotherhood being on hard times is kinda confusing with skyrim because war means business for those two. It feels like they wanted to excuse not having more families in skyrim by making astrid an authoritarian leader
Very well put yeah I never thought of it from that perspective, seems like it should be easy times for them to operate!
Well done...id look into Rodric though. I dont think many gave any thought into this glad you covered this. Make people think😉👍!
I appreciate it! I’ve heard others comment on Roderic too! Great idea to look a little further into him!
Sweet more deep diving into Oblivion. Thanks Bard
I hope you enjoyed it! Sorry for the delay on Morrowind! It’s coming real soon, just had an unexpected explosion in oblivion ideas lol
I've always wondered about this as well! Thanks for the detailed breakdown!
It's a shame we don't get to access these other sanctuaries. Probably disc space, but still would've been cool to see them.
Yeah you’re probably right on that! Maybe they were cut content for the game!
I would also guess that Bruma and Leyawiin house two of the other Sanctuaries, mainly due to J'Ghasta and Alval Uvani having residences in those cities. I'm not too sure about there being one in the Gold Coast region any more though; personally I would guess that there's probably one around the Chorrol region. We know that Mathieu Bellamont was a Silencer for one of the Speakers, but we don't know when he became a Speaker. We know of three Speakers at the start of the game; Lucien Lachance, J'Ghasta and Alval Uvani. I would guess that Arquen is the fourth Speaker. She's the one that leads the rest of the Speakers to the Night Mothers crypt in Bravil, she basically acts as the de facto leader of the guild at that point. The dead drop you get to kill her also directs you to ask around the Grey Mare in Chorrol, so its possible she has a headquarters around that region. As for the other two Speakers you see at Applewatch, I'd say that since Belisarius Arius says most of his time is spent on administrative duties, he was probably an Executioner in one of the other Sanctuaries, either the leader or a similar role to Vicente Valtieri. Banus Alor seems like he's another Silencer, but might be a more recent promotion, since we killed two Black Hand members who weren't Speakers, which leaves the player and Mathieu to complete the four Silencers of the Black Hand. Although Arquen does mention that even the Listeners successor is dead, so maybe Shaleez or Havulstein Hoar-Blood was originally going to succeed Ungolim as the Listener.
Looking at Cicero's journals, he mentions two other Sanctuaries around Tamriel, one in Corinthe and one in Wayrest. What if the Speakers also oversee Sanctuaries in neighboruing provinces? J'Ghasta could be the Speaker for Bruma, Falkreath and Dawnstar, Alval Uvani could oversee Leyawiin, Corinthe, and any potential Black Marsh sanctuary, and Arquen could oversee Chorrol, Wayrest, and any potential Hammerfell sanctuary. Lucien might be attempting to get some sort of a foothold in Morrowind, who knows
Very interesting points! Yeah who knows for sure! A few other people have brought up the point over the speakers overseeing other sanctuaries throughout Cyrodiil, so could be on to something!
Unlikely some parts: Oblivion lore makes is that there are 7 Speakers, not 5, but only 3 Silencers. The 7 Speakers are Lucien, Arquen, Belisarius, Banus, Mathieu, J'Ghasta and Alval. The Silencers would be you (Lucien says during the Purification the last one was recently killed), Shaleez and Havilstein... The only logical concusion would be that J'Ghasta and Alval were Silencers, not Speakers.
@@schuringleon3207 "The only logical concusion would be that J'Ghasta and Alval were Silencers, not Speakers."
You're forgetting that they both have Black Hand hoods and robes stored in their houses. No Silencers wear that outfit, only Speakers. Also remember what Lucien said about your targets. "Your dead drops went unvisited, your targets ignored. Instead, you have been systematically killing off all the members of the Black Hand! J'Ghasta, Shaleez, Alval Uvani, Havilstein Hoar-Blood -- Speakers and Silencers all. And Ungolim... the Listener himself!" It seems far more likely that both Belisarius Arius and Banus Alor were recently promoted just like the player and Mathieu Bellamont, which is why Arquen pretty much takes the lead when you go to visit the Night Mothers crypt
@@HazarTulum Mmmh thats an interesting take that had crossed my mind before, but I think I hadnt seriously thought about it. Very plausible
One thing worth noting is it’s completely possible sanctuaries move from time to time as we saw in Skyrim.
Also it’s possible the idea that a sanctuary has to be run by a speaker may be a bit of oversell from the characters. Considering the events of Daggerfall we find out they have a “guild hall” which seems about the same as a sanctuary in every damn town and city. That being said if a guild hall is different it could be the case that the speakers may live in Cyrodill but operate in other provinces and may only have a couple of true sanctuaries in the province, the rest being guild halls which wouldn’t need a speaker.
Very true! Lots of things to consider! There were also atleast 6 different speakers to account for during oblivion at different times so that could be something to consider too!
I don't know if Daggerfall is still really canon, with every shopkeeper in every province being the same guy!
Hoooray another video!! Making me happy!
I hope you enjoyed it! It was a fun one to make!
@@ABardsBalladi bet, it was an interesting video, never really thought about the other sancturays, so i enjoyed this thought provoking video!!
Oh yeah, we've been asking thos since the game came out lmao. A shame to not see them expand on their *own* lore in their own game, coming from their OWN friggin dialogue!
Technically though, we *do* interact with some of the other Sanctuaries members, via killing the Black Hand, and meeting the rest of them at Lucian's death.
Haha very true! And yes! Those folks at the end of the questline are absolutely from the other sanctuaries too!
Would've been fun to see the rest of the brotherhood.
Either finding other members in the area, maybe visiting them, or even only finding the door, but without the local password, have entry denied.
My brother, you say exactly how we all feel 🤝
There a potential Player Home in ESO that’s an abandoned Sanctuary right below Kvatch
Somebody else brought this up too! It makes me wonder if the Gold Coast area more than likely has one then!
Wait, something just hit me.
Alval Uvani makes trips to other cities, posing as a traveling merchant right? Well, what if these merchant trips are actually to the other Sanctuaries?
He takes his goods and sells them and the Sanctuary members.
The cities he visits are: Bravil, Bruma, and Skingrad. While he lives in Leyawiin.
So, could it be possible that his Traveling Merchant guise is really him just visiting the other Sanctuaries?
That’s definitely a possibility! Not a bad theory at all! Those could certainly be the updated locations of sanctuaries!
@@ABardsBallad also, just for fun, it's also stated that each Speaker their own personal Assassin known as Silencer's.
I've pieced together which Silencer goes to which Speaker.
The easiest was Bruma. J'Ghasta is the Speaker, while Havelstein Hoar-Blood (who is on Gnoll Mountain in the Jerall Mountains) is a Silencer.
Ungolim, while the Listener, I feel like je too would have his own personal Assassin. That would be Shaleez, in the Flooded Mine, North of Bravil.
Alval Uvani, the Speaker of Leyawiin, I would guess his Speaker would be the Traitor, Mathieu Bellamont. Since Leyawiin is a port town, they would often get trips to other port towns. In this case, Anvil, where Mathieu is based at. How else would Mathieu know Alval's schedule? He worked under him. (It's also worth noting that Mathieu Bellamont was the one who murdered all the Sailors of the Serpents Wake ship, as he says so himself in his Diary. Probably a Dead Drop given by Alval.)
As for Skingrad, I actually haven't worked that out yet, since it's pretty tricky. Fafnir MIGHT be the Speaker, since he SPOKE to you before you went into the Manor. But, that's probably way to coincidental.
@@ytwyvern4240 not too plausible: Oblivion lore makes is that there are 7 Speakers, not 5, but only 3 Silencers. The 7 Speakers are Lucien, Arquen, Belisarius, Banus, Mathieu, J'Ghasta and Alval. The Silencers would be you (Lucien says during the Purification the last one was recently killed), Shaleez and Havilstein... The only logical concusion would be that J'Ghasta and Alval were Silencers, not Speakers.
@@schuringleon3207 i see.
You missed the ESO player home just South of Kvatch called Erstwhile Sanctuary.
I appreciate it! It goes to show that there has to be one in the Gold Coast region!
Thanks for another thorough video Bard!
I hope you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching! :)
An oversight the in-game Oblivion lore makes is that there are 7 Speakers, not 5, but only 3 Silencers. The 7 Speakers are Lucien, Arquen, Belisarius, Banus, Mathieu, J'Ghasta and Alval. The Silencers would be you (Lucien says during the Purification the last one was recently killed), Shaleez and Havilstein... The only logical concusion would be that J'Ghasta and Alval were Silencers, not Speakers.
I recently started playing some of the most recommended quest mods and unless it was already done (probably wasn't), I think it would be cool if someone made a mod also with this information in mind that is given about possible locations of other DB sanctuaries; a mod where we can actually check these DB sanctuaries and possibly have 2-3 quests related to them, that would be dope!
Also now that I am thinking about it - Telaendril from Cheydinhal's sanctuary frequently travels to Leyawiin, right? And according to the information you provided in this video, there could be a guild hall in Leyawiin. Could this possibly mean that she is supposed to visit the sanctuary in there?
That would be a sick mod to play with! I’m with you on that one! Also it definitely could be with Telaendril! I didn’t even think about it, great call on that one!
4:23
that was the city or sutch, a cut city. You Can still see Fort Sutch in the Map, maybe close to the location of the goldcoast sanctuary (i dont remember the exact location of fort Sutch in Oblivion, but around this area)
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Haha I love the energy! I hope you enjoyed it!
I like to think there is a Sanctuary under the Oak and Crosier in Chorrol.
If you go in the basement, the game plays the default dungeon music instead of town music. But this is due to the devs not assigning the correct music file to the cell.
Then there is apparently leftover NPC dialog referencing suspicious activity going on at the inn.
This could be linked to Fathis, a fence for the Thieves Guild, doing business there during a certain sidequest. But that is only during said sidequest. After the quest is done, he's supposed to return to the Imperial City, but often doesn't due to a bug.
So since the inn has next to nothing to do with the Thieves Guild outside of one NPC asking you to fetch an item for him. I figure it makes more sense to put a Sanctuary in the basement behind a hidden door or something.
In a mod, I think its called "A Brotherhood renewed" you reestablish Sanctuarys in every major city and one is indeed under the Inn
I wish we saw more of the sanctuaries.
That would’ve been such a cool edition! Other commenters have said that it was likely cut content!
@@ABardsBallad even if we couldn’t enter then it would be cool to randomly just find the black door to one.
One question i have always wounder about is during the quest Bloated float Selene mentions that the blackwater company have a secret safe house in Bravil, is it even possible to find it or is it completely hidden?
I wonder if it's just a mistake, and the writer meant to write "Tamriel", mixing up their terminology.
Definitely could be to be honest! A very interesting thought!
I've said this before but I feel like Bravil has some type of dark brotherhood influence or something because why else would they put the night mother statue in the city and bury her there? I feel like this is no coincidence
I definitely would’ve thought there to be a sanctuary nearby and tbh there really could be! Maybe instead of in Leyawiin, there’s one in Blackwood closer to Bravil, who knows!
@@ABardsBallad exactly my thinking they wouldn't just leave their most prized idol aside from sithus unguarded and alone what if somebody defiled her statue you know? So I definitely think that there's a sanctuary close
There are some mods that extend the questline and have other sanctuaries
That’s really neat! I’ll have to play through them!
Did anybody think about Telaendril? I met her few times in Leyawiin, so maybe any sanctuary close?
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With oblivion complete are you planning on doing indepth dive into skyrim?
For sure one day! Likely Morrowind next, but going to do as much as we can in Oblivion on the side too!
@@ABardsBallad haven't really played morrowind so looking forward to those videos
Dosent Cicero in skyrim mention in one journal a few other Cyrodillic Sanctuaries?
I read through his journal entries again, and he only mentions that there were other ones beside Bruma and Cheydinhal, but doesn’t name drop them unfortunately
@@ABardsBallad ah. I knew he at least mentioned them. The only fun character(other than Sheogorath) in the entirety of Skyrim, so he IS a bit more memorable than the others... heck, i can't even recall most of the character names EXCEPT the dark brotherhood(mostly. I forget the old man, werewolf, argonian, and wood elf) and a few scattered others...(4 theives, a bartender, assorted quest givers, Two or three jarls... oh, and The pretty Dragon, Odahviing. They made that one's colors and pattern striking as hell.)
So... did you actually find another active sanctuary?
Are they even in the game?
I'm curious about exactly what happened to the Dark Brotherhood between Oblivion and Skyrim. What caused them to nearly go extinct?
It definitely is a lot of untold lore! According to Cicero’s journal, the night mother’s crypt was sacked by a bunch of local skooma gangs, if I had to guess on the other sanctuaries though, maybe Imperial raids like Skyrim’s? Definitely a tough call!
@@ABardsBallad another option may be morag tong, they were severely wounded by red mountain but that still leaves a lot of time to hunt down the brotherhood while at full strength
@@qhu3878 But what evidence is there to support that? The Morag Tong are a Dunmer organization that mainly operates within Morrowind, worshiping Mephala as part of the Dunmer-ancestor Cult which predates the Tribunal.
And Imperial efforts to eliminate the Brotherhood are mixed. My guess is that something happened within the Dark Brotherhood itself that caused a collapse, since external forces failed to destroy it up until its near-collapse in the Skyrim era.
The fact that the Night Mother's crypt was allowed to be looted by skooma gangsters is a testament to Sithis' status as a God.
If that looting would truly injure him or the Night Mother in some way, he would have prevented it. Mere skooma gangsters couldn't overpower a God who employs a ct of assassins that operates throughout the world.
Rather, Sithis' allowed it to happen to shame whatever Brotherhood members still remained at that point.
Your videos are better I think you're doing well. It's a bit dry I know when it comes to cool games and game related content that doesn't make you want to cringe.. in a bad way.. editing is nicer panning shots are better your manner of speaking is just that much better really decent middle voice not too low not too high neutral well rounded voice I can understand feeling caught not knowing always where to land for viewership not to annoy certain types of folks and just pleasing everyone without breaking your back or coming off desperate very good overall I'm going to relax on a few of your vids tonight
I appreciate the kind words! I hope you continue to enjoy the videos!
It would've been cool to choose what group you joined after killing rufio for lucien lachance
That would’ve been a sick option to choose!
Why would a freshly baked murderer have any say in that?
It could be cool to have a different sanctuary depending on where you committed your first murder. Maybe the province has two Sanctuaries, but you only know of one, until you become the Listener and gain access to the other Sanctuary in the province
@@HazarTulum That would be nice
Hell yeah
Hope you enjoyed it!
Always, capn
Why would you go from sanctuary to sanctuary doing quests when they're essentially a cell, so if one of them gets routed out and killed, the other cells aren't compromised. You know like every other criminal organization. 😂
Wake up baby you just posted
Haha hope you enjoyed it!
Sanctuary
Sanctuary sanctuary sanctuary
Drinking game, take a swig everytime ol' mate here says sanctuary