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Doctor Who - The Missing Episodes | Part 2 | Galaxy 4, Mission to the Unknown & Myth Makers
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Today we discuss Galaxy 4, Mission to the Unknown and The Myth Makers. We also look at audio recordings of missing episodes.
In this 9 part series, we explore what exists of each missing episode, how we can find original prints, animations, reconstructions and fun behind the scenes facts!
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8:55 - we actually have footage of all four episodes of the Myth Makers. Someone figured out that the clips had actually been misplaced and were actually from episode 3. Not to plug myself, but you can see the clips in question and where they should have gone in this video ua-cam.com/video/Duodb2WGKoA/v-deo.html from 14:14 - 15:14.
Patrick Mcgann awesome! Thanks!
I hope britbox.com updates with these
Welp, looks like that Ian Levine animation is gone, Now! (The BBC are idiots, calling things, for copyright, that aren't even available, elsewhere.) :(
@@delmusdugan I'm slightly confused what is meant by this?
The Myth Makers in the complete story I wish most to be returned! Tragically, the filming schedule prevented William Hartnell from attending the funeral of his beloved Aunt. More than 40 years later and Voyage of the Damned is put on hold when David Tennant's mother passed away. How time have changed.
I should have mentioned that, it's really sad.
I quite like when you go off on detours to talk about stuff related to the missing episodes like behind-the-scenes happenings or occasionally giving an entire segment of background for things like the Telesnaps or, in this one, who did the recordings, how they did them, and how they came to be made available by the BBC.
It's all fascinating stuff, so keep it up. X3
Scott Ramage thank you! I like to break it up, and just tell some interesting things I found in my research 😂
FIRING Mr. Hartnell? The AUDACITY.
George Reid trust me, every man and his dog tried to get rid of him 😢 this is only the beginning!
@@JoshSnares I realise there were a few attempts but I had no idea it began THAT early. Yikes. How they tried to write him out in Celestial Toymaker was also a bloody farce! Haha. Hartnell is love.
I really want Myth Makers to be found because it's Vicki's last serial. Also it's sad they decided to not renew her contract, she would've been a lot better than Katarina in Master Plan.
Myth Makers is brilliant!
Vicki was one of the best companions good sense of humour too.
Also, the death of the female companion in DMP (tbf, either death) would’ve been harder hitting if we’d known her for longer.
Myth Makers is utterly spectacular, both the transmitted version and the novelised version which tells the tale in a very unique way (I particularly recommend the audiobook as it is by turns hilarious, sad, and exciting).
Also: Vicki, Maureen O'Brian, is one of the very best companions, l she worked really well with Peter Purves and William Hartnell, and a great actress to boot. Her Big Finish audios prove her absolute brilliance both as a character, a companion, and an actress - to think she was dropped so unceremoniously to be replaced ultimately by Dodo. Ugh.
Singapore seems to have a lot of 'missing' stories...
True. We could probably find almost all of the Hartnell era in Singapore if we looked.
@@vincinel114 to Singapore.... NOW
I live in Singapore but I don't know where to start.
@@ishaandw I would suggest starting with serials that have prints there that hopefully haven't been destroyed, which makes Mission very rare. I mean, I think you might be able to find all of them in Singapore if you look hard enough. But yeah, just ask around if anyone has any tapes of Doctor Who and look around for tapes, and you might find some. Good luck though👍. Literally. Good luck.
The BBC must have already looked there. They wouldn't have missed a source like that.
The level of professionalism in these videos is what always brings me back and keeps me watching them.
They gave them a courtesy tour of the BBC studios so they could see where all the classic episodes of Doctor Who weren’t kept
For me, it has to be Mission to the Unknown. It is unique as it is the only story not to even mention the Doctor and the only classic story being 1 episode long. That and there is no Tele-snaps or surviving clips.
Yeah. People often mistake the supposed 'Tele-snaps' from the LC reconstruction to be the actual tele-snaps, but we all know they aren't.
I hope that all those episodes survive in Singapore or something.
Please fate!
I live in Singapore but I don't know where to start.
@@ishaandw old broadcast stations with known ties to the BBC is suspect
@@safetyman4967 what else tell us
@@fadikhoory5350 id say because the divide between nations they may not know about the lost episodes
You're a public service,young man... thank you...
The BBC policy on wiping tapes in the seventies beggars belief as domestic home recording was becoming popular...🐴
As we all know from our copyright claims, the BBC is not exactly the smartest company in the world. :)
The BBC wasn't the only network reusing videotape... In the US, ABC wiped a lot of great comedy from Ernie Kovacs and Dick Cavett, and NBC wiped a lot of Steve Allen and Jack Paar Tonight Show episodes.
Sigh. Every fact about the BBC, makes me lose faith in them...
I never knew about where the photos of the horse care from before this. Unfortunately it only raises more questions. Where did they find it? How did they find it? How did they know it was the one used in the story?
Davie Jones I’m fairly sure it was just passed around from person to person. But I couldn’t find a proper source to confirm it.
The prop matches a surviving photo from the original production also. I’d be surprised if it was a duplicate and not the original due to the source of info. But who knows?
Thank you so much Josh! I've found my DVD "extras" on your channel!! My current retirement hobby is encoding my own DVD collection of the entire Dr Who Classic series. I have just started on Season 3 of Will Hartnell era. I'm using Loose Cannon recons with the audio stripped out - and replacing it with the BBC audio releases with Peter Purves linking narrations, syncing in subtitles, == then under the Bonus Menu, throwing in CGI animations (crediting artists where known, like you and Ian), Loose Cannon bonuses, and any other bits'n'pieces like these "Extras" of yours to fill up the DVD space :-)
My guess is that the BBC wont put out much more for the William Hartnell years, they seem to be more interested in Pat Troughton - but if they do, I can just swap out my home-made DVDs :-)
If I was to vote, I would probably ask for Myth-Makers by a smidgin - it wasnt until I was painstakingly syncing up new audio track and the subtitles, that I realised just how hilariously "camped" up it was. What a hoot! eg.. Homer just made up the horse story for "dramatic effect" in the Illiad ?? LOLOL and the scene with the Doctor explaining flying machines ot the Greeks? ...classic British absurdist humour - I can see where the Monty Python team got their ideas....
And I certainly liked Vicki, she should never have been sacked.
Mission should be released along with a complete Dalek's Master Plan, for which I noticed was never broadcast outside of the UK - it was considered "too violent" for children - and I must admit, it is gruesome in places - 3 companions (sort-of) all arrive and then die horribly within a few episodes... not counting all the deaths of other bystanders and walk-on characters... and that final scene of solemn Pryhhic victory with Steven mourning for Katarina! Bret! Sara! - yeah we won against the Daleks, but look how many and how much we lost? Sheesh... Not exactly a *happy ending* and as for "Too violent"? Yeah - perhaps it was - but I guess British kids of the 1960s were made of much sterner stuff?!!?? the kids of the parents who lived through the Blitz etc.
Rain Lewis sounds like a great project! Thanks for watching :)
The Myth Makers is the one story of these three that I'd love to see return the most. We've got a tiny bit of Galaxy 4 in the archives, and the animated reconstruction for Mission to the Unknown is enough to tide me over. Has anyone done for Singapore what they did in Africa?
Maureen O'Brien had her contract terminated? Well, that's a new fact I didn't know.
Trenton Bless well, it was expiring anyway. But she assumed it would be renewed, as did everyone else :)
Wow, this is a harder question than I thought. It is definitely between Mission to the Unknown and The Myth Makers. Perhaps Mission because nothing exists apart from the audio. I would love to see this released as an animated version (Just don't bring Ian Slitheen on this, he doesn't deserve any more money)
I really didn't want to make an account don’t worry, the DVD team turned his animation down. I doubt it’ll ever make money! He lost a lot making it though
@@JoshSnares I was so surprised with how much money he spent for his Shada recreation. It still looked like garbage.
@@JoshSnares Could you imagine if Sun and Moon Studios animated The Myth Makers? That would be incredible.
@@ireallydidntwanttomakeanac575 I would LOVE that!
brilliantly written and edited. Great job. Keep it up. Fantastic!
Fate of the Prints for Singapore
For the Hartnell stories, the majority of Singapore's prints were bicycled to Hong Kong with several possibly going to New Zealand. (See Bicycling Chains.)
Marco Polo and five from season two were likely sent to New Zealand.
The final fate of the season three serials - apart from one (see below) - is unknown. They were returned to the BBC or destroyed.
Some time after its 1972 screening, the four episodes of The War Machines (that had been originally dispatched to Singapore by the NZBC) were sent to MidWest station in Nigeria that had purchased the serial in July 1973. The four films (still exhibiting the censor edits made in New Zealand) were subsequently found in Nigeria and returned to the BBC in 1984.
The season four Troughtons and the last three serials of season six went to Hong Kong.
Singapore sent the film prints of The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear (and presumably also The Abominable Snowmen and The Wheel in Space) to Benue Plateau TV in Nigeria by the end of 1974.
The Dominators and The Krotons were also sent to Nigeria, but to a different station.
The remaining season five and six serials (The Ice Warriors, Fury from the Deep, The Mind Robber and The Invasion) were all likely returned to the BBC. (It's possible that the four prints of The Ice Warriors and the empty can for Fury from the Deep part 6 found in 1988 were from Singapore.)
(Taken from gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/Singapore)
Mission To The Unknown. Just because it was the only episode without any of the regular cast. But also Galaxy Four, from all reports, was a great. Love the Audio version.
Thank you for making this show as I never knew about the Mission to the Unknown Animation and I just watched it and enjoyed it ❤️
The Nerd Corner UK where did you find it????
@@davidharding904 It's on Dailymotion. It originally existed on UA-cam until the BBC took the video down. Since it's unofficial, you won't find it on any DVD release, so the only place that I am 100% certain that it exists on is Dailymotion.
Vincinel The Seventh Warrior OMG thank u !!!
I’ve only just found your channel. This documentary is OUTSTANDING. Your visual presentation and fun edits are really fun to watch, please keep it up!
Fantastic work! I cant wait for part 3 :)
I'd love to see the missing eps of Galaxy 4 animated, I think the Rills R perfect candidates to animate
I want myth makers back very badly
I just wish the BBC would wipe all trace of Season 11, just shown.
Jeff Richards just don’t watch it 😂
Do you mean Series 11?
I saw the Mission animation, it was good, I really wish Mission & Dalek's Master Plan gets a full animation reconstruction
Now all we can hope is that Ian Levine doesn't find this comment.
Another excellent documentary! Interesting revelations about the cast's views on Galaxy 4; I think the story has great merit as it presents two important ideas that Doctor Who does well: 1) challenging societies like the Drahvins', which undervalue some people and seek to dehumanize them 2) warning us of the danger of judging others solely on appearance or some quality of their personhood. The Thirteenth Doctor story Rosa tackled these ideas about prejudice and oppression in a powerful way.
this is really well put together, good job
And now we got an animation of Galaxy 4... fantastic stuff!!!
Of the three, I would most want Mission to the Unknown returned.
i cannot choose..there must be some way to show the bbc..we are interested in seeing these audios made into animation......restoring history..is very important to me..and dr who is tremendous history
I had watched Galaxy four before Airlock was discovered as the Loose Cannon recon. I thought it was a fun story but nothing much. Then after watching the rediscovered episode my opinion of the quality of the story and its production soared. It shows how much we miss when we don't get to see the subtleties of the actors' performances. I fondly hope the same thing happens with the Myth Makers someday - it's pretty much the story I most want to see something from.
Another brilliant episode. Love how you give some behind the scenes facts as well. Hopefully more of these episodes turn up.
Mike Hope thank you!
Absolutely stunning work Josh! Honestly such beautiful and insightful documentaries that are researched amazingly. I hope to see the BBC putting these on the Hartnell and Troughton blu-ray Season box sets when they get round to them ;)
God your videos are ridiciously well made, just the presentation and the look alone, also good research. Keep up the good work 👍
Absolutely amazing, young man; absolutely amazing! Now, the story out of these that I'd like to see found would be The Myth Makers: it's such a terrible crime that Vicki's tenure was cut off, not to mention the *loss* of that story!
P.S., I was *going* to compliment your production value, but since you've heard that every single time, I feared you would've gone "thank u, next" but, *but,* I will *instead* compliment your selection of music *and* the little tid-bits of trivia you give too us; they're very, very enticing!
P.P.S, your production value is quite great! Yes, I said it. :P
P.P.P.S, I've just noticed that I've channeled Hartnell in my comment. XD
Haha thank you!
Mission to the Unknown is my favorite classic story
(Or would be, if the Troughton era didn’t exist)
Fantastic work. Very professional, engaging and brilliantly presented.
I want to see Mission to the Unknown so excited and waiting-to happen
Dubious pronounciation aside, these are very well made and a great watch.
Good stuff. Your narration is getting better all the time. Keep going!
Hyped for this one - we're entering my favourite era of the show - a lot of the writing isn't the best but the cast and initial creative ideas are all top notch.
Mark Williams I do adore this era too 😍
Singapore 1972 lol😂
Tough question.
I'm going to stand up for Galaxy Four. Part 3 showed that Derek Martinus did a great job on the direction, the leads give spirited performances (despite complaints) and it's just good simple fun.
Mission to the Unknown (i believe production wise it was counted as part 5 of Galaxy Four), without the TARDIS crew it doesn't really hold much interest for me.
My vote goes for The Myth Makers though as it's just such a funny script and Hartnell is hilarious (always brilliant in the historical and comedy episodes). And it's got a wonderfully bleak final part. Donald Cotton gives some great lines:
PARIS: I'm treated with more respect by the enemy than I am by my own family.
CASSANDRA: They don't know you as well as we do.😂
Cassandra: Woe to Troy!
Paris: It's too late to say 'woe' to the horse.
These documentaries are superb. Thank you.
Another excellent video Josh :) I didn't know that Maureen O'Brien's contract was terminated because of her complaints towards Galaxy 4! Once again, I look forward to the next part!
Luke Nyul thank you! Her contact was due to expire, and John Wiles chose not to renew it, due to those complaints 😢
I thought that Sierra Leone held onto all their copies of Galaxy 4, Myth Makers, Massacre, Celestial Toymaker, Savages and Smugglers before they were eventually destroyed in 1999. They apparently had copies of the Ark, Gunfighters and War Machines there too.
me personally Myth Makers interests me the most but seeing Galaxy 4 and Mission to the Unknown i would still be just as happy if anything more were found
New subscriber, keep up the good work Josh.
I actually like Galaxy 4. One of the first classic who shows I watched when taking in early who for the first time❤
If The Daleks Masterplan was fully found I so buy it.
I hope 1 day every missing episode will be found
Same
Loving these, Josh. I wish I could find Levine's Mission to the Unknown but alas. The notes about Loose Cannon have been a good help to me in tracking them down :)
Lewis Levine’s animation is easily found on Dailymotion :)
@@JoshSnares You're a star, thank you x
Mission to the unknown. I wish it were found. It would be a unique experience to watch a one episode serial. Someday perhaps.
These videos are so professionally made! Fantastic. Such a shame we won't see any more animations after abominable showman.
Really enjoyed this. Sad to see how much is missing tho
Definitely Galaxy 4. That one seems the most interesting.
Yay! I've been waiting for this!
Once again, well done.
I like all 3 of these.
I’d say I’d like Myth Makers most as I think it’s overlooked and as it’s Vickis last story and Katarina’s introduction It gives it more of a reason to be higher. Mission Id like as well rewatched galaxy 4 and I think most the episodes I’d slot below most of Polo especially as we have the long clip and a full part
Mission and Galaxy could easily work as animations Myth Makers would struggle imo
It's recently been announced that Galaxy 4 will be released in animated format this November.
Very good content keep this series going :)))
These are amazing, Josh! If these aren't on the Blu-ray box sets for Hartnell and Troughton then I'm writing a long, angry, threatening letter of complaint.
The Gallifreyan Whovian 😂😂 thank you
I live in Singapore. I should check it out but I don't know where to start.
I'd pick The Myth Makers. I haven't mastered watching the reconstructions, and I struggle to visualise the 60s historicals to boot. Besides, I'm happy with the very nice Uni of Central Lancaster remake of MTTU, and I feel Galaxy 4's set design is just plain naff - even by 60s Dr Who standards.
Such a great video but it's pretty frustrating the past BBC aren't accepting fans' audio recordings of the missing episodes! Hmmm, I would like to see Mission to the Unknown, because it's the first episode without the TARDIS team! I just wanted to say thank you for putting the English subtitles on your series as I'm deaf and it really helps me to understand your videos clearly. Is there a possible chance if you could caption your own wonderful recons? If it's not too big of a trouble! Great job, Josh. Bill would be proud.
Owen Ruthven I’m happy you’re enjoying them, and I’ll keep up with subtitling as many videos as I can :)
The intro is brilliant
I still have memories of watching Dr Who in the 1960s and early 1970s as a kid. They were scary to me at the beginning. I still recall Hartnell and his niece having to climb down the side of a tower with big fat round type daleks, I think squirting acid or some such. That would have been around 1967/8 in Australia, and I would have been 9/10 - so don't trust my Image memory. lol But can say I have watched just about every Dr Who episode from the very start as they happened. But not any more of course. They ruined it now. We didn't get a color TV until 1974/5
So happy we're getting galaxy 4
I think Vicki would have died in episode 4 and then Katarina would have survived till the end of the story which leads to Sara remaining for a few more stories
I’d like to see the myth makers and for God’s sake BBC send someone to explore Singapore!!!
Really excellent. 👌
3:52 If his TV had an earphone jack (as many portables did during the 1960s), it wouldn't necessarily have been an "ingenius method" to run a line from his TV to his recorder's input jack. I just wonder why he did it.
I wish they going to find Galaxy 4 so that they going to restore it
You should probably mention the currently-in-production not-for-profit shot-for-shot remake of “Mission” being developed by some group or other, there was lots of talk of it of late. Apparently they got Briggs for the Dalek voices.
Just made a video about it! Check my channel :)
I guess I’m in the 9% who want to watch galaxy 4
Galaxy 4 all 4 part restoration is on the Atzecs Special Edition DVD Disc 2 Part 2 Trap of Steel included but not Titled Part 1 ends where a Chumbly tries to blow up the Tardis and Part 2 begins.
I think that the Early Dr Who episode are not missing but mixed up with other Doctor Who stories.
In the Aztecs Special Edition in Restoring Atzecs Video includes two Scenes one scene includes a Scene with John Pertwee and the other scene includes Patrick Troughton nothing to do with Aztecs.
just craziness how much was destroyed....
I's an unknown, & Unfortunate fact that there are so many Copy's of old 1960's William Hartnell & Patrick Troughton Doctor Who Episodes Missing. Thank Goodness, though, Quite a few have been Put to the Animation pen. At least there they are making some sense in that!.
The full Galaxy 4 Derek Handley recon is avaliable but it all depends on who you know - I've got a copy of it myself and it's quite good
This series is lovely
Right, I just watched the myth makers earlier and all I have to say is it was bloody brilliant, I want this one to be found. Can we sign a petition to get Phillip Morris to got to Singapore!?
The behind the scenes dramas are very interesting.
song name at 8:50, please?
Your voice is so wonderful, you made this sound like an ASMR video.
Stephen Bell 😂😂
Omg thank you sir
When I realised that William Hartnell was nearly fired on the spot. WTF
ok i do want myth makers 80% BUT if mission to the unknown is found its hope that more insignificate and suposeedly lost episodes could be found
By the way, if you don’t mind, could you put a link in the description or in the comments to some of the loose cannon recons? I can’t find an official website and Dailymotion has some outdated ones.
Snuffleupagus I’m not allowed to, due to them being technically violating copyright. The BBC love taking down videos with their material in it, and I can’t take the risk. Sorry!
They’re easily found on dailymotion.
any chance that the audio can be made into animation..they are wonderful
I love this videos
Happy one year anniversary
Josh you mentioned elsewhere that the omnirumour is a video for another day. Do you think you will in fact ever cover this topic, which personally I find absolutely fascinating, and also give your views on it - with particular reference to whether you believe there was any basis to the claims that Morris basically found them all? I was very active on the forums at the time and the whole thing just exploded, as you'd probably remember. Cheers Josh.
I discuss it briefly in episode 2 of my new series, which comes out this time tomorrow
But will do an in-depth video one day!
Can someone explain to me, what the heck: 'Vynill,' is?
To be honest i would want to see galaxy 4 the most.
The Mythmakers, for sure. It's just so action intense, that watching a narrated version without animation or film is very tedious, in my opinion.
0:01 Not impossible, clearly, since it happened. "Unlikely" or "Against all odds" perhaps.
So basically, go to Ethiopia and Singapore
None of these episodes should be missing if the BBC wasn't so cheap! Who in their right mind would wipe a series like doctor who!?
Myth makers. Mission to the unkown has been animated and reamade. And galaxy 4 has also been animated.