Just a gentle reminder for anyone struggling with this, like I did: presets and profiles are not the same thing. They're two separate entities, so it's important to recognize the difference between them.
Thank you, i submitted for the nikon D5 colour profile , i cant seem to download the adobe dng profile editor on mac os ventura so what your offering is amazing, thank you so much Rob
David, I've added profiles for the D5 to the Infrared Profile Pack. 590.red/infrared-profile-pack FYI, the image you submitted appears to suffer from (visible) light leaks or was taken using a very low quality IR filter.
Thank you for all the information. I've downloaded everything and I hope I can understand how this works. I'm not a techy person so I hope I can do this. I appreciate all your help.
@@robshea My pleasure. I just added the following RAW files and processed JPEGS using the closest screw on filter to the 720 I had. Cameras were not converted. Canon EOS 7D MK II EF17-40mm f/4L USM ICE IR 77mm 77 Filter Infrared Infra-Red 760HB 760nm 760 from Amazon for $35 Taken on June 22, 2020 Canon EOS 1D X EF17-40mm f/4L USM ICE IR 77mm 77 Filter Infrared Infra-Red 760HB 760nm 760 from Amazon for $35 Taken on July 9, 2020
@@robshea My pleasure and thank you for the kind words! I am getting my 7D back from Life Pixel with a 590 conversion in a couple of days so look forward to having an easier time with IR. Best Wishes.
Rob, thank you very much for this very useful video. IR images now get much closer to my expectations and your video was very clear and also based on the current Lightroom CC version. Very much appreciated and you’ve got on subscriber more. 😉
I have troubles to import profiles on lightroom ipad (there is no import profile option). One way is to use lightroom CC desktop, create a preset with the profile and then sync it. But this has an issue and can't sync the color swap from the profile (but the -100 temperature is synced). Current work arround I found was to first set the profile on each IR images on my desktop. Then export those images into a .dng file. Then re import those images. Once they are sync with the cloud you will see those images with the correct profile on the ipad. But sadly the profile only exist on the images and can't be reused on another image imported from the ipad. I hope it helps someone.
Hi Rob, love your videos. Thank you! I would love to know if there is an alternative to the adobe DNG Profile Editor as it is out of date and will not work on my newer 2024 iMac. I have scoured the internet and am at a loss. Can you help here?
Hi Rob Shea, Thanks for your video about creating a color profile for infrared images! I managed to do everything you explained. But I didn't succeed in embedding my profile in Lightroom. Three questions: 1) where do you save this custom made profiles on a Mac (I work with a Mac mini)? 2) how do you embed a dcp profile in Lightroom? 3) what is the difference between a dcp file and a dcpr file? I hope you can give me some answers! Ariane James
1) On the mac, dcp files are placed in this folder: ~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles/ 2) Once the files are in that folder, restart LR, and you are all set. 3) Don't worry about dcpr files, you just need dcp files. You can download profiles from the Infrared Profile Pack here: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack You can learn more about profile troubleshooting here: 590.red/where-profiles
Here is a guide for Photoshop: ua-cam.com/video/QGPp_6dUqQs/v-deo.html Here is a guide for Lightroom Classic: ua-cam.com/video/O7Ggs3rTTS0/v-deo.html Here is a playlist cover a variety of editors: ua-cam.com/play/PLW4H_E25cS0pHBhGYkXte3SAZL9Q9EmgF.html
Rob, as you may have noticed already Lightroom 9.3, released today, gives us the ability to do a 'local' hue shift of up to 180 degrees. So after a custom camera profile that allows us to set a proper white balance, we can then do a 180 degree hue shift on the whole image, e.g. by drawing a short gradient, including the whole image at 100% slightly outside the image, and then we have something rather similar to a channel swap in appearance :-)
Yes, I'm super excited about this new feature. I also think that it will be great for adding more color variety to images, potentially replacing what I've done in the past in Photoshop with H/S adjustment layers and masks.
Interestingly, I've spent the last few days perfecting and testing the profile/LUT/profile method. This hue adjustment update drops and probably negates that need for all of that. I'm both happy and frustrated. 😜
I certainly will. I actually like the results better using the LUT compared to the Local Hue, but might cover Local Hue first since it's new this week. 📰
Hi Rob, great video. I've had a great deal of hassle with lightroom/photoshop curtailing the names of files for *.dcp profiles. I have two IR cameras one EM10 Mark II 560nm and one EM10 Mark III 720nm so I want that indication in the filename. I thought that would be easy but I did not find it easy. It randomly seemed to decide itself what digits woudl be used in the file name- sometimes 15 characters long and sometimes 6. Resolution was to rename the files outside of camera raw folder, delete the previosuly imported files and then paste back in. Anyone had similar problems. MAyve it was just me. Anyway I have learned a great deal.
Thanks kindly! The app data files were hidden on my Windows 11 system so I had to paste them in "run" and go from there. All sorted now. One more question if I may; I used a 720 ir filter and all my images have what appears to be a flare in the middle of the image and colour casting on the edges of the image. It's a pro grade nikon lens and the filter appears not to be damaged and I was shooting with the sun approximately 90⁰ to my left out of shot. Any ideas what it could be?
@@gavinswonnell4839 This is likely a hot spot. Your best option is to find a lens that does not produce hot spots. About half of all lenses have hot spots, even the highest-grade lenses. You can find lens resources here: 590.red/lenses You can also try to edit them out. How to Fix Hot Spots in Infrared Photos? ua-cam.com/video/sD5iJeHcLJE/v-deo.html Kase IR720 Infrared Filter Review, Winter Shooting & Hot Spots: ua-cam.com/video/OwFDbiVdoEc/v-deo.html
i cant even get the foilage eve3n close to white before DNG editing, like shown in your video....... it just makes everything bright orange. can't follow beyond that.
Using raw and a custom profile, you should be able to get to a good white balance. Here are some additional help. Infrared Profile Pack: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack How to Edit Infrared Photos with Photoshop: ua-cam.com/video/QGPp_6dUqQs/v-deo.html Edit Infrared Photography in Lightroom Classic: ua-cam.com/video/O7Ggs3rTTS0/v-deo.html
I seem to be having the same problems as Charlie below (above). I can't seem to get blue skies separated from colour foliage. I click on the white balance and it is like I hear crickets. I am using a canon 6d mrk ii with a 720 hoya filter. My exposures are not that long varying from 1 to 5 seconds and I get fantastic black and white. I can change the colour but like I said, it all changes. Seems there is only yellow or only cyan or only reds, etc.... My sky changes right along with the foliage. I've done the DNG profile and using camera raw, they show up just fine. I don't have lightroom but there doesn't seem to be a different when it comes to IR. I've done the invert method, colour swapping, levels swapping, etc. Now, I've tried using Luminar 4 pro features and I get some colour difference but nothing like the blue skies and pink (or orange) foliage. I've watched your other video mentioned here and I've done the custom white balance in camera. I've not yet, however, taken a picture using my IR and not used a custom white balance (in camera) in order to start playing entirely in PS (6). You mention that it doesn't matter if I use a custom white balance in camera. I swear I am going in circles.
Patricia, here are a couple things to keep in mind. It sounds like you are using an unconverted camera. It will be more challenging to get good colors in IR with an unconverted camera. I've tested the same scene with the same filters on both converted and unconverted cameras and there is a big difference in the colors. The colors on the unconverted camera are muddier and harder to white balance. You can see examples of this in the Neewer filter review video. ua-cam.com/video/shw2rdEkGMY/v-deo.html Also, be aware that a 720nm/R72 filter will only capture a small slice of red, plus near-infrared, resulting in limited colors. The traditional look for 720nm is the blue sky (red light swapped to blue) and white foliage (near-infrared light). In order to get bright oranges or yellows along with the blue, you would need to use a lower-numbered filter, such as a 590nm, which would capture oranges, reds, and near-infrared, on a converted camera. A converted camera with a 720nm filter can get a slight bit of color, but not as much as a lower-numbered filter. If you would like to stick with an unconverted camera, then B&W will produce the best results. If you desire the more colorful look, then a conversion is the way to go.
Thanks for your attention to detail, Rob! I've been hacking away at IR for 11 years, have three dedicated bodies, the most recent being a Sony A7 I had done in 590nm. While I can generate nice images, alot of the time I'm in PS humping the color thing using Hue/Saturation and layer masks...but my *starting point* seems to be faulty. Can't seem to generate that nice blue sky and have to create it. Done all the channel swapping, your layer invert technique (cool there!) created different profiles...etc etc. I use a starting point in-camera of 2700K...could this be my problem. Is there an in-camera setting that may be fouling the nest, so to speak? Or, as I've heard many times; it doesn't matter if you shoot RAW?!
Charlie, I would recommend setting a different white balance before you do a channel swap or invert. 2700k may work at times, but I typically need to custom white balance every image. Check out this video for some examples: ua-cam.com/video/QUFitdP7uoc/v-deo.html
Hi Rob, in doing more research I've discovered Adobe discontinued Adobe DNG Profile Editor. I'm going to call them Monday to see what to do to create my own profile. I'll let you know if they help me. Thank you again for all your help.
@@sandykreit1752 The telephoto and wide cameras can save images in DNG format using LR mobile. This will allow you to use a profile to correct WB. The ultra-wide camera doesn't support DNG and can only record in JPG. You can get more details in this video: ua-cam.com/video/4SqtnlPX0RU/v-deo.html
I created IR profiles for my Canon PowerShots S100 and G16. I then put them with their respective camera groups in Photoshot Elements 19. I used both locations mentioned in the "Where are my profiles blog article. Or...at least, I thought so. But, when I load a RAW file from either camera into PSE and use the dropdown to select the profile, the only profile camera raw lists for me is "Infrared Temp -100." No matter what I do, the camera specific profile isn't made available to me. Any thoughts on what I'm likely doing wrong?
I have less experience with PSE, but here are the issues that you need to validate in order to see a profile in Adobe products. - When creating a custom DCP profile in the DNG Profile Editor, ensure that you have selected a base profile from the correct camera model. If you load multiple images in the program from different cameras, then the base profiles from different cameras will be listed. - You must be viewing a raw file or DNG file created from the raw. JPG, TIFF, PSD, or DNG files created from these do not support DCP profiles. - The camera model of the image being viewed must match the camera model of the profile. - The DCP profile needs to be installed in the correct location, as you reference in 590.red/where-profiles - The profile will appear in the Profile Browser. It will not appear under Presets. (Probably not your issue here, but included for completeness.) - The LR/PS program must be restarted. Newly added profiles are only loaded on program start.
Thank for the info. Most of the information out there is many many years old so the DNG profile saving stuff is out dated. I shot 2 rolls of 35mm film infrared back in the day. The first roll I fogged and the second was ok but too expensive to keep messing with.
Thanks! While I shoot most of my infrared with a converted DSLR, I have picked up a few rolls of Infrared film and will be giving that a spin soon. I've heard it's tricky.
I'm sorry but I'm lost in the part of: "Paste the following path into Windows Explorer, replacing {user name} with your Windows user name". Don't know how to do that. Help please! Thank you Rob.
Open a Windows Explorer window. Double-click on "This PC". Double-click on your C: drive. Double-click on "Users". On of the directories shown will be your windows username. In my case, it's "rob". Alternatively, type Windows key + R which displays a run dialog box. Type "cmd" and hit enter. In the box type "whoami" without the quotes. The result is your PC Name / Windows Username. In my case, it's blue7/rob. blue7 is the name of my computer. rob is my window username.
Hi Rob, Great set of videos, you are now my "Go to" resource for all things IR. A question re. LR colour profiles. If using a Full Spectrum camera do you need to create a different profile for each IR filter? ie one for 590nm and another for say 720 or are the profiles specific to the camera and or lens?
Two profiles, with a temperature adjustments of -50 and -100, are all you need for all high-pass filters. This is why the Infrared Profile Pack contains these two profiles for each camera; see the link in the description. The only other filter I used that could benefit from it's own profile is the IR Chrome, which can be perfectly white balanced with a +25 temperature filter.
Hello, I am on LR Classic 10.3 Windows and cannot see the imported profiles in the profile dropdown. I only see the ones that come with LR dy default even after a restart. Are the instructions the same for the newest LR Classic?
In earlier versions of Lightroom and Photoshop for Windows, camera profiles were stored in a different location: C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles Move your custom profiles to that location and restart Lightroom.
Hi Rob, Loving the infrared videos, top job!! I am learning so much and you have highly motivated me. I have a question for you? I have followed your profile video and successfully created an infrared profile for my converted Canon 5Dmk2. I have only had the camera back from the being converted a week so have only been out the one time. However I converted all the images to DNG in the folder and what I'm finding is when I go to select the custom profile it isn't always there, which is frustrating. Is this something you have come across before, or is there something I am not doing correctly? Thanks Nige.
Profiles will work with either DNG files or raw files, you can use either. The main thing for profiles is that they appear in the proper directory. Them appearing intermittently is odd. Double check that they are in the correct location, then restart LR or PS.
It's a hidden path, so you may need to use the keyboard shortcut Command + Shift+ G to open the "Go to the folder” dialog, then paste this path: ~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles
You can try this work around on the Mac. support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/open-a-mac-app-from-an-unidentified-developer-mh40616/mac Otherwise, upload your raw file here and I can create profiles and add them to the Infrared Profile Pack. 590.red/share
Thanks for this Rob, when I went to create the profile for my Nikon, I noticed the colour matches options too. Can these be used to fix the channel swap that you did is PS and then it can all be held under the profile options? Andy
Yes, you can create profiles that combine the temperature shift profile from DNG Profile Editor with a LUT. These can then be used to set a WB and swap colors in LR or CR. Create your own color swap profiles: 590.red/xmp Order LR IR Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap
When I enter into Google what you did, I do not get the same link as you do. I looked through all 17 pages of links and none are the same. Can you kindly suggest something for me?
I've added links to the Adobe DNG Profile Editor to the bottom of this page: 590.red/dl You can also download profiles for hundreds of cameras here: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
You don't need a profile for every filter. In all of the cases I've seen, one or two profiles offer enough variation to cover all filters. One set to a temperature of -100 and one set to -50.
Thank you for your insightful channel, Rob. I recently downloaded your infrared profile pack. Your instructions mention to use the -50 profile and if that’s insufficient to use the -100 profile. Is there a big difference in using either? Can I not simply use the -100 profile from the get-go or are there quality considerations I am missing?
Not a big difference, which ever gets you the results you want. Here is a description. blog.robsheaphotography.com/2022/02/12/which-infrared-profile.html
@@robshea Understand - the link is quite helpful, thanks. Your blog mentions selecting a neutral target. Is that any area that has the same/similar R, G & B values?
I'm struggling with I/R using a 720 NM filter on my D850. Even after creating the profile, all my images are either bright red or if I use the eye dropper to set WB, they go to yellow. I can never get anything resembling the blues or pinks. I have the profile now as well as the 50 and 100 of yours but still I can only really get yellow or red after setting WB.Any ideas what I can do?
While filter are you using? It sounds like you have an inexpensive IR filter that is allowing too much visible light to enter. Ensure you are using a quality 720 nm filter, such as a Hoya R72.
hi Rob i finally got everything together my Fuji x-t100 my FD 50mm F1.4 my Hoya 72 and adobe decided to stop supporting DNG Profile Editor :( i sent you a random raw file thank you so much for all your support
Hi Rob! Thank you for your good Tutorials. I just jumped into IR-Photography, but I have the Problem, that the DNG Color Profile Editor isn´t provided any longer. I loaded it on my Mac Book, but couldn't start or use it. What is your advice?! - Convert the Images with RAW THERAPEE? Cheers Helmut
Thanks Helmut! DNG Color Profile Editor requires a workaround to run it on the Mac. support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/open-a-mac-app-from-an-unidentified-developer-mh40616/mac RawTherapee 590.red/rt and Darktable 590.red/dt are both great alternatives, not just at RAW converters, but as full editors.
Is there NO way to color swap in Lightroom ONLY, without using PS at all? Also, I work with LR 6.14 only as I do not want the subscription. That means LR 61.14 does NOT have the Profile browser or library. So HOW can I use the DNG profile created with the DNG profile editor in LR 6.14 to get the correct white balance? Thanks for your support.
I have developed a way to swap colors in Lightroom only. You can build your own here: 590.red/xmp Or you can order them here: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap However, you will need LRC 7.3. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of LR 6, so I can't test it. It should support DNG camera profiles, since the DNG Profile Editor predates that version of LR.
@@robshea thanks Rob for your quick reply and yes LR 6 does support DNG files. So I have to create a DNG file with a -50 temperature profile as I use a 720nm IR filter and then import that DNG file into LR 6. And that I have to do for each RAW picture file? Do you know if IR images are possible or easier to work on in Luminar NEO, as I use thus software packet more and more?
@@alexzahnd2642 You only need DNG Camera Profiles for each camera, not for each image. They will work for all images shot with the same camera. Luminar has some limitations, but so long as it supports the raw images for your camera, you can use it to process IR images.
Hi! Sir Rob, I hope you can answer my problem. I am having a hard time with the output format of DNG Profile editor. It can only save as DCPR which is not supported by lightroom. It only supports DCP. I Dng profile editor in adobe website. Hope you have answer for this thank you
I am really at a loss, I have tried to install both your pre-created profiles, AND one that I made myself with the DNG Color ProfileEditor. Neither Lightroom Classic OR Lightroom show any profiles beyond the default Adobe ones. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have tripple-checked that they're saved in the correct location on my Mac. Thanks.
- Ensure that you are viewing a raw or DNG file. - Ensure you have selected an image shot with the same model camera as the profile. Profiles are unique to each camera model. Even a “Mark II” camera is considered a different model camera. - Ensure that you have closed and restarted Lightroom. New profiles are only loaded when the program is started.
@@robshea I created mine based off of a photo from my camera that I took myself, so should be “same camera” I would assume. I not only closed Lightroom, I rebooted my Mac. I’ll explore some more tomorrow
Hi, first of all, great video, I found it super interesting and learned a lot. I'm fairly new to this and have been testing with my Fuji xt-3 and the xf 18-55 and the results have been pretty bad, hardly any color variation. I saw that my lens is "poor performer" in kolarivision, so I guess the only possible improvement factor is to change the lens to one that lets more IR light through, right? Huge thanks
Yes, I have the XF 18-55mm and it's not a good lens for IR. Within that range, all of the 23mm, 35mm, and 50mm XF lenses are good for Fuji. I also like the XF 14mm. Here is a list of good lenses for IR. 590.red/xf
@@albertocarreras3385 I have shot infrared with modified and unmodified cameras. Most of my infrared shooting is done with converted cameras, converted to 590nm and full spectrum.
Rob, I have a sony alpha aR7iii which I've converted to an infrared (720) and use LR and Photoshop on a mac (Bug Sur). The Adobe Profile Converter, even with workaround is useless. I tried downloading your Infrared Conversion Pack but can't seem to open it properly and load it into LR in the profiles browser. The first step might be the problem. I've downloaded the pack, found the camera, and double clicked on it, tried to open it with LR, but I'm not doing something right. Help please?
Select your camera profiles in the pack and Copy. Use the keyboard shortcut Command + Shift + G to display the Go to the folder dialog, then paste the following path: ~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles Paste into that location.
I've started shooting IR with an iPhone 14Pro. I've downloaded your profiles (thank you sincerely!) and installed them using the profile - import profile command on LrC develop module. Closed down LrC and reopened it. Then opened an IR image, dng file. It immediately shows up as Apple ProRaw profile. When I click to change the profile to one you created for the iPhone, the profile is present. I tried reinstalling them and a popup says "Unable to import profiles. All items were already imported". So LrC recognizes that the files are there, but won't show them to me. They are not grayed out at all, they just aren't there. I'm using LrC V13.2 Camera Raw V 16.2 running macOS 12.1. Any help/suggestions are greatly appreciated. TIA.
The Apple Camera and LR camera save raw files in different formats. The LR profiles need the LR formatted raw to function properly. Try shooting with the LR camera.
Affinity Photo does not support dcp profiles. Here is the feature request to have it added: forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/106683-camera-calibration-dcp-file-import-option/ The following programs support dcp files: Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw, Adobe Photoshop Elements, Adobe Lightroom (desktop and mobile), Adobe Lightroom Classic, DxO PhotoLab, Exposure X, and Luminar
Would there be a way to build a channel swap into the profile created by the dng profile editor? If possible, it would save a trip to PS and allow you to see the effects of WB in a way thats more meaningful in relation to the final image..
I've been looking for ways to get a better real-time preview of the effect of profiles, white balance, and color swap on an image in Lightroom. I'm exploring creating a plug-in that would allow for channel swapping right in LR. However, right now it still requires a round trip from Photoshop. Darktable, RawTherapee, and ON1 all do a better job of allowing you to adjust white balance and color swap within a single program.
@@robshea, Thanks Rob. As you are probably aware, on can, in PS, wrap a channel swap into at LUT, which can then be converted to a LR profile. This allows one to do the swap in LR, still leaves us with the WB problem, as we can only assign one profile to an image.. Inspired by one of your videos, I tried RawTeraphy today, and that works very well as far as WB and global color adjustments, as you say.
@@kbqvist I was playing around with the LUT method and noticed that if you create the profile in ACR from a previously demosaiced image (converted from RAW, then converted to Smart Object), then the WB is bad. However, if you make the profile with ACR while open with a RAW image, you can select the custom profile, leave the WB as shot and then create the LUT-based profile. This does work in LR and gives you good WB control in LR. The colors are swapped in the HSL panel, but that's a small price to pay for avoiding a roundtrip to PS. I'll need to make a video to show the process. This looks pretty good!
A few more questions I like the IR around 500 to 700 range You said that on a non-converted camera it is not good below 720nm. Second is the make of IR filter as important as other filters like ND As at this stage just trying to see if I can get anything like the shots I have seen so far not much luck Plus I like in the UK and we only get 2 to 3 days of sunshine a year. I am looking at getting the Hoya 720nm
Correct, you should not use a filter with a cut-off lower than 720nm on an unconverted camera. When you do so, most of the exposure is visible light and you don't get enough infrared light. The specific make of the filter IS important. When shooting with an unconverted camera, it's important to use a high-quality filter, such as Hoya, B+W, Tiffen, LifePixel, Kolari Vision, etc. The Hoya filters are great and I highly recommend the R72. There are many low-cost infrared filters now available on Amazon and eBay. While low-quality filters can work well with a converted camera, low-quality filters will not work well with an unconverted camera. Hah, when I first start shooting infrared, it felt like the summer that was eternally overcast, maybe not quite UK overcast, but I can relate. 😄
nice video :) i tried that with my Sigma dp Quatto H with an 850nm filter and the result is way different is that because you used a 590nm filter? cheers and thx janosch
With an 850nm filter, the resulting image will be monochrome, typically processed as B&W. If you are looking for more color, then you would use a lower-numbered filter, such as 590nm.
No, a JPG converted to DNG will not work. Raw files from most cameras contain what are called "dual-illuminant" profiles. These two profiles within the raw, one for tungsten and one for daylight, allow Adobe products to calculate a range of color temperatures. This is why you need a DNG file which is converted directly from a dual-illuminant raw file. A JPG file (or a single-illuminant raw file) doesn't have enough information to generate new profiles, even after being converted to a DNG.
Great video; many thanks. One question though - - - anything special that needs to be done with the DNG before you use it to create the profile? Or should it just be any DNG out of the IR camera? Thanks!
I only have one IR camera, a Nikon D800 recently converted by LifePixel to 590nm. So, *ANY* DNG from that camera? No particular range of tones or contrast or such preferred?
Hi Rob, First of all thank you for being the infrared guru. I just had my Pentax K3 II converted from Kolari Vision with with a 590 um and AR filter. This is my second conversion, the other was a Pentax K5 II with a 720um and AR four years ago (I have used Pentax cameras since 1979 which was an ME). I use LR CC and with your help I created a K5 II 720 profile and LUT that has worked well. This is not the case this time with my K3 II, I have spent several+ hours over the weekend trying to create a profile for the Pentax K3II to absolutely no avail. The Adobe DNG Editor is not working properly and the help online is not helpful. Is this this something we could setup a coaching session to resolve? I have come to love IR photography so much that more than 3/4 of my captures and 90 % of my keepers have been IR in LR and Silver Efex. I look forward to your response, thank you ever so much.
For starters, can you send me a raw file from the K3 II? I'd like to try can create a profile for it. Upload here: 590.red/share After that, if a coaching session makes sense, those can be booked here: 590.red/coach
Hi I have created the profile and installed in directoiy as shown in your info but it does not show up I am using latest LR and Mac OS yes I did restart LR more than once no joy LR is 10.2 Classic OS 11.3.1
Mike, on your Mac, open a Finder window. Use the keyboard shortcut _Command + Shift + G_ to display the _Go to the folder_ dialog, then paste the following path: *~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles* Are you able to open this path and see files? Confirm that the *.dcp files you created are located in that folder. If they are, then you have the correct location. Open Lightroom Classic, open a DNG or raw file in the Develop module. The DNG or raw file must have been shot with the same camera that the profiles were created with. Only profiles that match your camera will appear. The Profile dropdown only shows your _Favorite_ profiles. Click Browse or the Browse icon on the right. Check each "group" for your profiles, they typically will appear in the group named "Profiles". If you are still not seeing them, something doesn't match. Either the files are not in the correct location or the profiles were created with a different camera. Next, try downloading the Infrared Profile Pack 590.red/infrared-profile-pack and look for profiles that match your camera. Try putting these in the same location. Which camera do you have? If it's not in the pack, you can send me a raw file and I will create one. 590.red/share
@@robshea Hi thanks for that I have installed them in that directory I also uploaded a raw it is for the Panasonic LX100M2 shot using a 680nm took using a set of gray cards Thanks I will download the pack
Hi Rob, I've spoken with an Adobe Supervisor who helped me to download the DNG Profile Editor. I just watched your video and followed along so I wouldn't make any errors in creating a Profile. I saved it in the folder you instructed me to, when I went back into LR the profile wasn't there. The Profiles you sent me were pasted in the same folder but they didn't work either. So what do I do now? This is incredibly frustrating, but I do greatly appreciate all your help!
hi Rob, thanks for your videos ! I would like to do my LR profiles for my full spectrum camera : Canon ELPH 180. I don't know if it's because this camera doesn't do RAW pictures, but the DNG editor always says to me that the DNG file I made with Lightroom is not valide. Would you know where come from the problem ? Does your all process work just with RAW files ? thank you
Unfortunately, DNG files created from Canon ELPH 180 images are not supported by the Adobe DNG Profile Editor. Most raw files are dual illuminant, meaning they have two internal color profiles which allow editors to calculate a color temperature between them. The DNG files from CHDK (or DNG files created from JPEG files in LR) are single illuminant, which is why they don’t work in the DNG Profile Editor. This prevents us from creating custom DNG Camera Profiles (DCP) to better support the wide range of color temperature required for IR. I’ll done quite a bit of research looking for a solution, but no success. For the ELPH 180, I recommend setting a custom white balance in-camera before shooting, to get the WB as close as possible in the JPEG. Then you can tweak further in LR.
Hi Rob, I’ve followed you and watched most all of your video instructions for several years since converting a Nikon several Z7ii to full-spectrum. I have always heard that a custom profile for each camera should be made from a Raw shot with that (each) camera. But I just realized that none of the explanations I have been able to find (from you or others) say whether the Raw file used can be shot with any wavelength filter (any one will do?) Or, does a separate Raw file (and custom profile need to be done for EACH w/l filter which will be used on the same camera. Sure hope the answer is “any w/l will work for all”, but would appreciate any clarification. Thanks.
I had a thread where we briefly communicated recently but now I don't know where to find it. I also saw where you were offering to create custom profiles for people but I cannot find that link. I am attempting to get my custom color profile into the correct location in PS elements 2022+. I have taken three pictures with my XT2 converted by LifePixel to Hyerspectral. One is right out of the camera using Fuji 50-140mm at a mid-range F-stop, another is the same but with LifePixel super color (red) IR 72mm screw on filter, and lastly using a Fuji 16mm F1.4 at a mid-range stop and LifePixel 67mm deep B&W filter. I don't know if I need a custom profile for each scenario or just one profile. Also, I could use the link to send this or these raw file .RAF images to you for assistance?
I copied your profiles and pasted them following your instructions for a MAC. I happened to have a regular image (not IR) in the Develop Module of LR when I opened LR. I checked the profiles and they were all there. Then I opened an IR image shot with a 720 filter and when I went to the Profiles there were only 2 and one was a B&W. I clicked on the B&W and edited the image, but where did the profiles go? I opened another IR image and when I tried to change the color profile, they were all gone. All of this was done in LR Classic on the desktop. This can't be normal, do you have any idea why this could be happening? Thank you!
Profiles are only based on the camera model, the filter used in the shoot will not determine if a profile is available. If the file you have open is a TIF or JPG instead of the original camera raw, then the same profiles might not appear without the same camera metadata.
I'm working on a MAC and it won't let me download the link you sent me saying it's not a trusted site. Do you have another link or way for me to download this app? Thank you!
@@sandykreit1752 Adobe DNG Profile Editor can create profiles to shift the color temperature, allowing you to set a better white balance. Beyond creating profiles, other changes will need to happen in your editor, such as Lightroom, Photoshop, or others.
Greetings Rob, Just sent to your Dropbox a 720nm IR Pro Raw image captured with an iPhone 13 Pro Max wide camera. For some reason, I cannot change the settings to White Balance on the Adobe Profile Editor: message “the operation could not be completed”. I opened it in ACR 9.1 (an old version that came with my CS6) and saved it in DNG and it still didn’t work with A.P.Editor. Very much appreciate your assistance, Rob. Thank you.
Using your image, I've added a couple profiles for the iPhone 13 Pro Max wide camera to the Infrared Profile Pack: 590.red/ipp If you can send an image from the telephoto camera, I can add that as well. In the Adobe Profile Editor, the default Base Profile displayed for some images is the Embedded profile. You cannot create a new profile with a temperature shift based on the Embedded profile. Switching to the Standard base profile does allow you to make this change.
@@robshea Thank you for adding the iPhone 13 Pro Max wide camera to the Infrared Profile Pack. I got it to work with my old Adobe Camera Raw 9.1 (CS6) on my desktop. Is there any way of importing it to my iPhone without an Adobe Cloud/Adobe Lightroom subscription (i.e. I have only Lightroom Mobile)? I have tried to Air Drop the two profiles to my iPhone (My Files) but I could not get LR Mobile to open/recognise them (the profiles are greyed out). Otherwise, I guess I would have to purchase a one month Adobe Lightroom Plan (or the free trial) to do the syncing of the profiles. I have just uploaded the iPhone 13 Pro Max telephoto lens. Many thanks, Rob.
@@eddiecyy I've searched for ways to import profiles directly into Lightroom mobile, but haven't found any. It appears that they can only be imported from the desktop version. The file you uploaded it a JPG. Can you upload a DNG? Thanks!
Hi Rob, I don’t know why for for some reasons, the raw file (telephoto 77mm) I uploaded to your Dropbox showed as jpg instead. Do you have an email whereby I could send you (you could reply through my email if you don’t want it here).
Hello, I have sent you an image to be able to create the profile because it was impossible for me to create it myself (the Adobe link does not work). Thank you very much and greetings.
Strangely I was able to create a profile for my Nikon D40 (modified for 470nm Hyper Color, image shot using a 590nm screw on filter) and was able to use it in Lightroom. I don’t know if this is because I’m using an old version of Lightroom (CC 7.0 2017). The profile pop-up is in a different area, in the Camera Calibration module all the way at the bottom. Also I was able to download Adobe DNG Editor using a ftp client, because yes, you can’t download it via their webpage. So it is still available, you just have to go through the back door to get it.
Hello Rob, thanks for all the information. Please advise here. I tried creating the Profile as well as used the one from your profile pack (Nikon Z 8 Infrared Temp -100.dcp). But unfortunately, anytime I am choosing a neutral color to set the WB, I am always getting 2000 as the lower value. Tried switching between the other profiles back and forth but didn't help. My filter is 590nm and Lightroom version is 13.3.1. Any help is appreciated.
@@royimagesdotcom This image appears to have been taken with a 590nm filter on an unconverted camera. This filter allows too much visible light to pass and will capture very little IR light. With unconverted cameras, you should use a 720nm filter, which captures only a sliver of visible light and allows more IR light to be captured.
Just a gentle reminder for anyone struggling with this, like I did: presets and profiles are not the same thing. They're two separate entities, so it's important to recognize the difference between them.
Rob Shea, I do find your IR presentation very helpful. Thanks for the presentations.
Lew Mitz Thanks! 😄
Rob thank you for all your help, I can't wait to get this set up so I can continue watching your videos on processing IR images.
Thank you, i submitted for the nikon D5 colour profile , i cant seem to download the adobe dng profile editor on mac os ventura so what your offering is amazing, thank you so much Rob
David, I've added profiles for the D5 to the Infrared Profile Pack. 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
FYI, the image you submitted appears to suffer from (visible) light leaks or was taken using a very low quality IR filter.
Thank you for all the information. I've downloaded everything and I hope I can understand how this works. I'm not a techy person so I hope I can do this. I appreciate all your help.
Thank you for your generous sharing. I just added Canon EOS 1D X and EOS 7D MARK II raw photos.
Scott, thanks for sharing! Do you have any images shot with these cameras with a 720nm filter? I'd like to test the resulting profiles. Thanks!
@@robshea My pleasure. I just added the following RAW files and processed JPEGS using the closest screw on filter to the 720 I had. Cameras were not converted.
Canon EOS 7D MK II
EF17-40mm f/4L USM
ICE IR 77mm 77 Filter Infrared Infra-Red 760HB 760nm 760 from Amazon for $35
Taken on June 22, 2020
Canon EOS 1D X
EF17-40mm f/4L USM
ICE IR 77mm 77 Filter Infrared Infra-Red 760HB 760nm 760 from Amazon for $35
Taken on July 9, 2020
Excellent, profiles look good. Thanks!
@@robshea My pleasure and thank you for the kind words! I am getting my 7D back from Life Pixel with a 590 conversion in a couple of days so look forward to having an easier time with IR. Best Wishes.
Thank you for videos Rob! I sent over RAW files from a full spectrum fuji x-a10, one image 590nm and the other 720nm
Added profiles to the pack. Thanks!
@@robshea thank you!
This is so kind of you Rob. Thanks!
Rob, thank you very much for this very useful video. IR images now get much closer to my expectations and your video was very clear and also based on the current Lightroom CC version. Very much appreciated and you’ve got on subscriber more. 😉
Excellent! Glad this helped!
Thank you, I'll download and continue watching your video.
I have troubles to import profiles on lightroom ipad (there is no import profile option). One way is to use lightroom CC desktop, create a preset with the profile and then sync it. But this has an issue and can't sync the color swap from the profile (but the -100 temperature is synced). Current work arround I found was to first set the profile on each IR images on my desktop. Then export those images into a .dng file. Then re import those images. Once they are sync with the cloud you will see those images with the correct profile on the ipad. But sadly the profile only exist on the images and can't be reused on another image imported from the ipad. I hope it helps someone.
Hi Rob, love your videos. Thank you! I would love to know if there is an alternative to the adobe DNG Profile Editor as it is out of date and will not work on my newer 2024 iMac. I have scoured the internet and am at a loss. Can you help here?
The Infrared Profile Pack addresses this limitation with infrared profiles for over 400 cameras. 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
Hi Rob Shea, Thanks for your video about creating a color profile for infrared images! I managed to do everything you explained. But I didn't succeed in embedding my profile in Lightroom. Three questions: 1) where do you save this custom made profiles on a Mac (I work with a Mac mini)? 2) how do you embed a dcp profile in Lightroom? 3) what is the difference between a dcp file and a dcpr file? I hope you can give me some answers! Ariane James
1) On the mac, dcp files are placed in this folder: ~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles/
2) Once the files are in that folder, restart LR, and you are all set.
3) Don't worry about dcpr files, you just need dcp files.
You can download profiles from the Infrared Profile Pack here: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
You can learn more about profile troubleshooting here: 590.red/where-profiles
Easy for you, I will get it done using your instructions hopefully. Thank you for all your help.
Here is a guide for Photoshop: ua-cam.com/video/QGPp_6dUqQs/v-deo.html
Here is a guide for Lightroom Classic: ua-cam.com/video/O7Ggs3rTTS0/v-deo.html
Here is a playlist cover a variety of editors: ua-cam.com/play/PLW4H_E25cS0pHBhGYkXte3SAZL9Q9EmgF.html
Rob, as you may have noticed already Lightroom 9.3, released today, gives us the ability to do a 'local' hue shift of up to 180 degrees.
So after a custom camera profile that allows us to set a proper white balance, we can then do a 180 degree hue shift on the whole image, e.g. by drawing a short gradient, including the whole image at 100% slightly outside the image, and then we have something rather similar to a channel swap in appearance :-)
Yes, I'm super excited about this new feature. I also think that it will be great for adding more color variety to images, potentially replacing what I've done in the past in Photoshop with H/S adjustment layers and masks.
Interestingly, I've spent the last few days perfecting and testing the profile/LUT/profile method. This hue adjustment update drops and probably negates that need for all of that. I'm both happy and frustrated. 😜
@@robshea, if you have the energy, I for one would still be interedted in what you have come up with :-)
I certainly will. I actually like the results better using the LUT compared to the Local Hue, but might cover Local Hue first since it's new this week. 📰
Thank you very much for this most informative video. Happy Christmas
Thank you so much, I don't know what a playlist is other than music.
A list of videos. Open the link to see the videos available.
I will study all the links you sent me. Thank you for your time and sharing your knowledge with me.
Hi Rob, great video. I've had a great deal of hassle with lightroom/photoshop curtailing the names of files for *.dcp profiles. I have two IR cameras one EM10 Mark II 560nm and one EM10 Mark III 720nm so I want that indication in the filename. I thought that would be easy but I did not find it easy. It randomly seemed to decide itself what digits woudl be used in the file name- sometimes 15 characters long and sometimes 6. Resolution was to rename the files outside of camera raw folder, delete the previosuly imported files and then paste back in. Anyone had similar problems. MAyve it was just me. Anyway I have learned a great deal.
I have DCP profiles for both of your cameras in the Infrared Profile Pack, which you can download for free. 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
Thanks!
Your videos and explanations are awesome! I still have a lot to learn but this particular video ws a great start for me! Thanks Rob!!!
Hi Rob, great video thanks for this. I couldnt find the info on where I save my created infa red camera profile, can you help out here with the path?
Where are my Profiles article: 590.red/where-profiles
Thanks kindly! The app data files were hidden on my Windows 11 system so I had to paste them in "run" and go from there. All sorted now.
One more question if I may; I used a 720 ir filter and all my images have what appears to be a flare in the middle of the image and colour casting on the edges of the image. It's a pro grade nikon lens and the filter appears not to be damaged and I was shooting with the sun approximately 90⁰ to my left out of shot. Any ideas what it could be?
@@gavinswonnell4839 This is likely a hot spot. Your best option is to find a lens that does not produce hot spots. About half of all lenses have hot spots, even the highest-grade lenses. You can find lens resources here: 590.red/lenses
You can also try to edit them out.
How to Fix Hot Spots in Infrared Photos? ua-cam.com/video/sD5iJeHcLJE/v-deo.html
Kase IR720 Infrared Filter Review, Winter Shooting & Hot Spots: ua-cam.com/video/OwFDbiVdoEc/v-deo.html
That's great info, thanks Rob! I really appreciate it!
i cant even get the foilage eve3n close to white before DNG editing, like shown in your video....... it just makes everything bright orange. can't follow beyond that.
Using raw and a custom profile, you should be able to get to a good white balance. Here are some additional help.
Infrared Profile Pack: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
How to Edit Infrared Photos with Photoshop: ua-cam.com/video/QGPp_6dUqQs/v-deo.html
Edit Infrared Photography in Lightroom Classic: ua-cam.com/video/O7Ggs3rTTS0/v-deo.html
I seem to be having the same problems as Charlie below (above). I can't seem to get blue skies separated from colour foliage. I click on the white balance and it is like I hear crickets. I am using a canon 6d mrk ii with a 720 hoya filter. My exposures are not that long varying from 1 to 5 seconds and I get fantastic black and white. I can change the colour but like I said, it all changes. Seems there is only yellow or only cyan or only reds, etc.... My sky changes right along with the foliage. I've done the DNG profile and using camera raw, they show up just fine. I don't have lightroom but there doesn't seem to be a different when it comes to IR. I've done the invert method, colour swapping, levels swapping, etc. Now, I've tried using Luminar 4 pro features and I get some colour difference but nothing like the blue skies and pink (or orange) foliage. I've watched your other video mentioned here and I've done the custom white balance in camera. I've not yet, however, taken a picture using my IR and not used a custom white balance (in camera) in order to start playing entirely in PS (6). You mention that it doesn't matter if I use a custom white balance in camera. I swear I am going in circles.
Patricia, here are a couple things to keep in mind. It sounds like you are using an unconverted camera. It will be more challenging to get good colors in IR with an unconverted camera. I've tested the same scene with the same filters on both converted and unconverted cameras and there is a big difference in the colors. The colors on the unconverted camera are muddier and harder to white balance. You can see examples of this in the Neewer filter review video. ua-cam.com/video/shw2rdEkGMY/v-deo.html Also, be aware that a 720nm/R72 filter will only capture a small slice of red, plus near-infrared, resulting in limited colors. The traditional look for 720nm is the blue sky (red light swapped to blue) and white foliage (near-infrared light). In order to get bright oranges or yellows along with the blue, you would need to use a lower-numbered filter, such as a 590nm, which would capture oranges, reds, and near-infrared, on a converted camera. A converted camera with a 720nm filter can get a slight bit of color, but not as much as a lower-numbered filter. If you would like to stick with an unconverted camera, then B&W will produce the best results. If you desire the more colorful look, then a conversion is the way to go.
Thanks for your attention to detail, Rob! I've been hacking away at IR for 11 years, have three dedicated bodies, the most recent being a Sony A7 I had done in 590nm. While I can generate nice images, alot of the time I'm in PS humping the color thing using Hue/Saturation and layer masks...but my *starting point* seems to be faulty. Can't seem to generate that nice blue sky and have to create it. Done all the channel swapping, your layer invert technique (cool there!) created different profiles...etc etc. I use a starting point in-camera of 2700K...could this be my problem. Is there an in-camera setting that may be fouling the nest, so to speak? Or, as I've heard many times; it doesn't matter if you shoot RAW?!
Charlie, I would recommend setting a different white balance before you do a channel swap or invert. 2700k may work at times, but I typically need to custom white balance every image. Check out this video for some examples: ua-cam.com/video/QUFitdP7uoc/v-deo.html
Hi Rob, in doing more research I've discovered Adobe discontinued Adobe DNG Profile Editor. I'm going to call them Monday to see what to do to create my own profile. I'll let you know if they help me. Thank you again for all your help.
I've created a collection of profiles for hundreds of camera. You can read more about it here: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
@@robshea thank you, I shoot with the 13 iPhone Pro Max, and this fall I’ll be switching to the 14. Will any of these work for me.
@@sandykreit1752 The telephoto and wide cameras can save images in DNG format using LR mobile. This will allow you to use a profile to correct WB. The ultra-wide camera doesn't support DNG and can only record in JPG. You can get more details in this video: ua-cam.com/video/4SqtnlPX0RU/v-deo.html
THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP
I created IR profiles for my Canon PowerShots S100 and G16. I then put them with their respective camera groups in Photoshot Elements 19. I used both locations mentioned in the "Where are my profiles blog article. Or...at least, I thought so. But, when I load a RAW file from either camera into PSE and use the dropdown to select the profile, the only profile camera raw lists for me is "Infrared Temp -100." No matter what I do, the camera specific profile isn't made available to me. Any thoughts on what I'm likely doing wrong?
I have less experience with PSE, but here are the issues that you need to validate in order to see a profile in Adobe products.
- When creating a custom DCP profile in the DNG Profile Editor, ensure that you have selected a base profile from the correct camera model. If you load multiple images in the program from different cameras, then the base profiles from different cameras will be listed.
- You must be viewing a raw file or DNG file created from the raw. JPG, TIFF, PSD, or DNG files created from these do not support DCP profiles.
- The camera model of the image being viewed must match the camera model of the profile.
- The DCP profile needs to be installed in the correct location, as you reference in 590.red/where-profiles
- The profile will appear in the Profile Browser. It will not appear under Presets. (Probably not your issue here, but included for completeness.)
- The LR/PS program must be restarted. Newly added profiles are only loaded on program start.
Thank for the info. Most of the information out there is many many years old so the DNG profile saving stuff is out dated. I shot 2 rolls of 35mm film infrared back in the day. The first roll I fogged and the second was ok but too expensive to keep messing with.
Thanks! While I shoot most of my infrared with a converted DSLR, I have picked up a few rolls of Infrared film and will be giving that a spin soon. I've heard it's tricky.
Rob Shea Photography good luck
Do you need to do this or similar steps if editing in Photoshop/camera raw? Or is this just a Lightroom issue? Also, nice video!
Profiles are used both by Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw in Photoshop, so when you create a custom profile it is available in both programs.
I'm sorry but I'm lost in the part of: "Paste the following path into Windows Explorer, replacing {user name} with your Windows user name". Don't know how to do that. Help please! Thank you Rob.
Open a Windows Explorer window. Double-click on "This PC". Double-click on your C: drive. Double-click on "Users". On of the directories shown will be your windows username. In my case, it's "rob".
Alternatively, type Windows key + R which displays a run dialog box. Type "cmd" and hit enter. In the box type "whoami" without the quotes. The result is your PC Name / Windows Username. In my case, it's blue7/rob. blue7 is the name of my computer. rob is my window username.
Hi Rob, Great set of videos, you are now my "Go to" resource for all things IR. A question re. LR colour profiles. If using a Full Spectrum camera do you need to create a different profile for each IR filter? ie one for 590nm and another for say 720 or are the profiles specific to the camera and or lens?
Two profiles, with a temperature adjustments of -50 and -100, are all you need for all high-pass filters. This is why the Infrared Profile Pack contains these two profiles for each camera; see the link in the description. The only other filter I used that could benefit from it's own profile is the IR Chrome, which can be perfectly white balanced with a +25 temperature filter.
@@robshea Thanks for getting back so quickly, much appreciated
Hello, I am on LR Classic 10.3 Windows and cannot see the imported profiles in the profile dropdown. I only see the ones that come with LR dy default even after a restart. Are the instructions the same for the newest LR Classic?
In earlier versions of Lightroom and Photoshop for Windows, camera profiles were stored in a different location: C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles
Move your custom profiles to that location and restart Lightroom.
@@robshea Thanks! Got it working!
life saver video
Hi Rob, Loving the infrared videos, top job!! I am learning so much and you have highly motivated me. I have a question for you? I have followed your profile video and successfully created an infrared profile for my converted Canon 5Dmk2. I have only had the camera back from the being converted a week so have only been out the one time. However I converted all the images to DNG in the folder and what I'm finding is when I go to select the custom profile it isn't always there, which is frustrating. Is this something you have come across before, or is there something I am not doing correctly?
Thanks Nige.
Profiles will work with either DNG files or raw files, you can use either. The main thing for profiles is that they appear in the proper directory. Them appearing intermittently is odd. Double check that they are in the correct location, then restart LR or PS.
Hi Rob. Can you give me the path to save my profile for Mac please? I can't work out where to find it! Thanks in advance.
It's a hidden path, so you may need to use the keyboard shortcut Command + Shift+ G to open the "Go to the folder” dialog, then paste this path: ~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles
@@robshea Thanks so much Rob.
Unfortunately the dng profile editor will not work with Mac OS Monterrey, any suggestions?
You can try this work around on the Mac. support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/open-a-mac-app-from-an-unidentified-developer-mh40616/mac
Otherwise, upload your raw file here and I can create profiles and add them to the Infrared Profile Pack. 590.red/share
Thanks for this Rob, when I went to create the profile for my Nikon, I noticed the colour matches options too. Can these be used to fix the channel swap that you did is PS and then it can all be held under the profile options? Andy
Yes, you can create profiles that combine the temperature shift profile from DNG Profile Editor with a LUT. These can then be used to set a WB and swap colors in LR or CR.
Create your own color swap profiles: 590.red/xmp
Order LR IR Color Swap Profiles: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap
@@robshea thanks Rob, I appreciate you taking time to reply
When I enter into Google what you did, I do not get the same link as you do. I looked through all 17 pages of links and none are the same. Can you kindly suggest something for me?
I've added links to the Adobe DNG Profile Editor to the bottom of this page: 590.red/dl
You can also download profiles for hundreds of cameras here: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
If I have a camera converted to Full Spectrum and I'm using 590nm, 680nm, etc filters, all I need is one color profile?
You don't need a profile for every filter. In all of the cases I've seen, one or two profiles offer enough variation to cover all filters. One set to a temperature of -100 and one set to -50.
Thank you for your insightful channel, Rob.
I recently downloaded your infrared profile pack. Your instructions mention to use the -50 profile and if that’s insufficient to use the -100 profile.
Is there a big difference in using either? Can I not simply use the -100 profile from the get-go or are there quality considerations I am missing?
Not a big difference, which ever gets you the results you want. Here is a description. blog.robsheaphotography.com/2022/02/12/which-infrared-profile.html
@@robshea Understand - the link is quite helpful, thanks. Your blog mentions selecting a neutral target. Is that any area that has the same/similar R, G & B values?
@@pfb9786 Correct, neutral in color, so any gray or white object.
I'm struggling with I/R using a 720 NM filter on my D850. Even after creating the profile, all my images are either bright red or if I use the eye dropper to set WB, they go to yellow. I can never get anything resembling the blues or pinks. I have the profile now as well as the 50 and 100 of yours but still I can only really get yellow or red after setting WB.Any ideas what I can do?
While filter are you using? It sounds like you have an inexpensive IR filter that is allowing too much visible light to enter. Ensure you are using a quality 720 nm filter, such as a Hoya R72.
hi Rob i finally got everything together my Fuji x-t100 my FD 50mm F1.4 my Hoya 72 and adobe decided to stop supporting DNG Profile Editor :( i sent you a random raw file thank you so much for all your support
Added to the Infrared Profile Pack. 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
@@robshea I cant find words in my poor english to thank you enough for what you are doing to this community ,,thank you so much
Hi Rob! Thank you for your good Tutorials. I just jumped into IR-Photography, but I have the Problem, that the DNG Color Profile Editor isn´t provided any longer. I loaded it on my Mac Book, but couldn't start or use it. What is your advice?! - Convert the Images with RAW THERAPEE? Cheers Helmut
Thanks Helmut! DNG Color Profile Editor requires a workaround to run it on the Mac. support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/open-a-mac-app-from-an-unidentified-developer-mh40616/mac
RawTherapee 590.red/rt and Darktable 590.red/dt are both great alternatives, not just at RAW converters, but as full editors.
Is there NO way to color swap in Lightroom ONLY, without using PS at all? Also, I work with LR 6.14 only as I do not want the subscription. That means LR 61.14 does NOT have the Profile browser or library. So HOW can I use the DNG profile created with the DNG profile editor in LR 6.14 to get the correct white balance? Thanks for your support.
I have developed a way to swap colors in Lightroom only. You can build your own here: 590.red/xmp
Or you can order them here: 590.red/lr-ir-color-swap
However, you will need LRC 7.3.
Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of LR 6, so I can't test it. It should support DNG camera profiles, since the DNG Profile Editor predates that version of LR.
@@robshea thanks Rob for your quick reply and yes LR 6 does support DNG files. So I have to create a DNG file with a -50 temperature profile as I use a 720nm IR filter and then import that DNG file into LR 6. And that I have to do for each RAW picture file?
Do you know if IR images are possible or easier to work on in Luminar NEO, as I use thus software packet more and more?
@@alexzahnd2642 You only need DNG Camera Profiles for each camera, not for each image. They will work for all images shot with the same camera.
Luminar has some limitations, but so long as it supports the raw images for your camera, you can use it to process IR images.
Hi! Sir Rob, I hope you can answer my problem. I am having a hard time with the output format of DNG Profile editor. It can only save as DCPR which is not supported by lightroom. It only supports DCP. I Dng profile editor in adobe website. Hope you have answer for this thank you
Use Export (Ctrl/Cmd+E) to export a DCP file. You can also download profiles for hundreds of cameras here: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
I am really at a loss, I have tried to install both your pre-created profiles, AND one that I made myself with the DNG Color ProfileEditor. Neither Lightroom Classic OR Lightroom show any profiles beyond the default Adobe ones. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have tripple-checked that they're saved in the correct location on my Mac. Thanks.
- Ensure that you are viewing a raw or DNG file.
- Ensure you have selected an image shot with the same model camera as the profile. Profiles are unique to each camera model. Even a “Mark II” camera is considered a different model camera.
- Ensure that you have closed and restarted Lightroom. New profiles are only loaded when the program is started.
@@robshea I created mine based off of a photo from my camera that I took myself, so should be “same camera” I would assume. I not only closed Lightroom, I rebooted my Mac. I’ll explore some more tomorrow
Hi, first of all, great video, I found it super interesting and learned a lot. I'm fairly new to this and have been testing with my Fuji xt-3 and the xf 18-55 and the results have been pretty bad, hardly any color variation. I saw that my lens is "poor performer" in kolarivision, so I guess the only possible improvement factor is to change the lens to one that lets more IR light through, right? Huge thanks
Yes, I have the XF 18-55mm and it's not a good lens for IR. Within that range, all of the 23mm, 35mm, and 50mm XF lenses are good for Fuji. I also like the XF 14mm. Here is a list of good lenses for IR. 590.red/xf
@@robshea thank you so much Rob ❤️
@@robshea are you use a modified body, do you?
@@albertocarreras3385 I have shot infrared with modified and unmodified cameras. Most of my infrared shooting is done with converted cameras, converted to 590nm and full spectrum.
Rob, I have a sony alpha aR7iii which I've converted to an infrared (720) and use LR and Photoshop on a mac (Bug Sur). The Adobe Profile Converter, even with workaround is useless. I tried downloading your Infrared Conversion Pack but can't seem to open it properly and load it into LR in the profiles browser. The first step might be the problem. I've downloaded the pack, found the camera, and double clicked on it, tried to open it with LR, but I'm not doing something right. Help please?
Select your camera profiles in the pack and Copy. Use the keyboard shortcut Command + Shift + G to display the Go to the folder dialog, then paste the following path:
~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles
Paste into that location.
I've started shooting IR with an iPhone 14Pro. I've downloaded your profiles (thank you sincerely!) and installed them using the profile - import profile command on LrC develop module. Closed down LrC and reopened it. Then opened an IR image, dng file. It immediately shows up as Apple ProRaw profile. When I click to change the profile to one you created for the iPhone, the profile is present. I tried reinstalling them and a popup says "Unable to import profiles. All items were already imported". So LrC recognizes that the files are there, but won't show them to me. They are not grayed out at all, they just aren't there. I'm using LrC V13.2 Camera Raw V 16.2 running macOS 12.1. Any help/suggestions are greatly appreciated. TIA.
The Apple Camera and LR camera save raw files in different formats. The LR profiles need the LR formatted raw to function properly. Try shooting with the LR camera.
@@robshea Thanks, I'll give that a try.
Can these profiles not be added to Affinity Photo also? as I ditched LR and PS as I'm sick of paying monthly as I rather just pay 1 time outright.
Affinity Photo does not support dcp profiles. Here is the feature request to have it added: forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/106683-camera-calibration-dcp-file-import-option/
The following programs support dcp files: Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw, Adobe Photoshop Elements, Adobe Lightroom (desktop and mobile), Adobe Lightroom Classic, DxO PhotoLab, Exposure X, and Luminar
Would there be a way to build a channel swap into the profile created by the dng profile editor? If possible, it would save a trip to PS and allow you to see the effects of WB in a way thats more meaningful in relation to the final image..
I've been looking for ways to get a better real-time preview of the effect of profiles, white balance, and color swap on an image in Lightroom. I'm exploring creating a plug-in that would allow for channel swapping right in LR. However, right now it still requires a round trip from Photoshop. Darktable, RawTherapee, and ON1 all do a better job of allowing you to adjust white balance and color swap within a single program.
@@robshea, Thanks Rob. As you are probably aware, on can, in PS, wrap a channel swap into at LUT, which can then be converted to a LR profile. This allows one to do the swap in LR, still leaves us with the WB problem, as we can only assign one profile to an image..
Inspired by one of your videos, I tried RawTeraphy today, and that works very well as far as WB and global color adjustments, as you say.
@@kbqvist I was playing around with the LUT method and noticed that if you create the profile in ACR from a previously demosaiced image (converted from RAW, then converted to Smart Object), then the WB is bad. However, if you make the profile with ACR while open with a RAW image, you can select the custom profile, leave the WB as shot and then create the LUT-based profile. This does work in LR and gives you good WB control in LR. The colors are swapped in the HSL panel, but that's a small price to pay for avoiding a roundtrip to PS. I'll need to make a video to show the process. This looks pretty good!
@@robshea - glad to hear that Rob, and look forward to the video!
A few more questions I like the IR around 500 to 700 range You said that on a non-converted camera it is not good below 720nm. Second is the make of IR filter as important as other filters like ND As at this stage just trying to see if I can get anything like the shots I have seen so far not much luck Plus I like in the UK and we only get 2 to 3 days of sunshine a year. I am looking at getting the Hoya 720nm
Correct, you should not use a filter with a cut-off lower than 720nm on an unconverted camera. When you do so, most of the exposure is visible light and you don't get enough infrared light.
The specific make of the filter IS important. When shooting with an unconverted camera, it's important to use a high-quality filter, such as Hoya, B+W, Tiffen, LifePixel, Kolari Vision, etc. The Hoya filters are great and I highly recommend the R72. There are many low-cost infrared filters now available on Amazon and eBay. While low-quality filters can work well with a converted camera, low-quality filters will not work well with an unconverted camera.
Hah, when I first start shooting infrared, it felt like the summer that was eternally overcast, maybe not quite UK overcast, but I can relate. 😄
nice video :) i tried that with my Sigma dp Quatto H with an 850nm filter and the result is way different is that because you used a 590nm filter? cheers and thx janosch
With an 850nm filter, the resulting image will be monochrome, typically processed as B&W. If you are looking for more color, then you would use a lower-numbered filter, such as 590nm.
Is it possible to do this with jpeg converted to dng?
It won't let me..😢
No, a JPG converted to DNG will not work.
Raw files from most cameras contain what are called "dual-illuminant" profiles. These two profiles within the raw, one for tungsten and one for daylight, allow Adobe products to calculate a range of color temperatures. This is why you need a DNG file which is converted directly from a dual-illuminant raw file. A JPG file (or a single-illuminant raw file) doesn't have enough information to generate new profiles, even after being converted to a DNG.
Great video; many thanks. One question though - - - anything special that needs to be done with the DNG before you use it to create the profile? Or should it just be any DNG out of the IR camera? Thanks!
Profiles will only work on images taken with the same model of camera, so you should create the profile with an image taken from the same camera.
I only have one IR camera, a Nikon D800 recently converted by LifePixel to 590nm. So, *ANY* DNG from that camera? No particular range of tones or contrast or such preferred?
@@stephengreenberg3997 Yes, any DNG from that camera. The contents of the image are irrelevant, only the camera model matters.
Hi Rob, First of all thank you for being the infrared guru. I just had my Pentax K3 II converted from Kolari Vision with with a 590 um and AR filter. This is my second conversion, the other was a Pentax K5 II with a 720um and AR four years ago (I have used Pentax cameras since 1979 which was an ME). I use LR CC and with your help I created a K5 II 720 profile and LUT that has worked well. This is not the case this time with my K3 II, I have spent several+ hours over the weekend trying to create a profile for the Pentax K3II to absolutely no avail. The Adobe DNG Editor is not working properly and the help online is not helpful. Is this this something we could setup a coaching session to resolve? I have come to love IR photography so much that more than 3/4 of my captures and 90 % of my keepers have been IR in LR and Silver Efex. I look forward to your response, thank you ever so much.
For starters, can you send me a raw file from the K3 II? I'd like to try can create a profile for it. Upload here: 590.red/share
After that, if a coaching session makes sense, those can be booked here: 590.red/coach
@@robshea Thanks Rob I have uploaded the Pentax K3 II DNG test file. Look forward to the results. Cheers Rick
@@richarddunphy7882 I've added profiles for the K-3 II to the Infrared Profile Pack. Download here: 590.red/ipp
@@robshea Many thanks Rob, profile loaded and works wonderfully. Coffee is on me, Cheers Rick
Hi I have created the profile and installed in directoiy as shown in your info but it does not show up I am using latest LR and Mac OS yes I did restart LR more than once no joy LR is 10.2 Classic OS 11.3.1
Mike, on your Mac, open a Finder window. Use the keyboard shortcut _Command + Shift + G_ to display the _Go to the folder_ dialog, then paste the following path: *~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles* Are you able to open this path and see files? Confirm that the *.dcp files you created are located in that folder. If they are, then you have the correct location.
Open Lightroom Classic, open a DNG or raw file in the Develop module. The DNG or raw file must have been shot with the same camera that the profiles were created with. Only profiles that match your camera will appear. The Profile dropdown only shows your _Favorite_ profiles. Click Browse or the Browse icon on the right. Check each "group" for your profiles, they typically will appear in the group named "Profiles". If you are still not seeing them, something doesn't match. Either the files are not in the correct location or the profiles were created with a different camera.
Next, try downloading the Infrared Profile Pack 590.red/infrared-profile-pack and look for profiles that match your camera. Try putting these in the same location. Which camera do you have? If it's not in the pack, you can send me a raw file and I will create one. 590.red/share
@@robshea Hi thanks for that I have installed them in that directory I also uploaded a raw it is for the Panasonic LX100M2 shot using a 680nm took using a set of gray cards Thanks I will download the pack
@@MikeHarveyPhoto I added profiles for this camera to the pack. I was able to use them on the image that you sent.
Hi Rob, I've spoken with an Adobe Supervisor who helped me to download the DNG Profile Editor. I just watched your video and followed along so I wouldn't make any errors in creating a Profile. I saved it in the folder you instructed me to, when I went back into LR the profile wasn't there. The Profiles you sent me were pasted in the same folder but they didn't work either. So what do I do now? This is incredibly frustrating, but I do greatly appreciate all your help!
I have detailed blog post that can help you troubleshoot the location of your profiles. 590.red/where-profiles
hi Rob, thanks for your videos !
I would like to do my LR profiles for my full spectrum camera : Canon ELPH 180. I don't know if it's because this camera doesn't do RAW pictures, but the DNG editor always says to me that the DNG file I made with Lightroom is not valide. Would you know where come from the problem ? Does your all process work just with RAW files ? thank you
Unfortunately, DNG files created from Canon ELPH 180 images are not supported by the Adobe DNG Profile Editor. Most raw files are dual illuminant, meaning they have two internal color profiles which allow editors to calculate a color temperature between them. The DNG files from CHDK (or DNG files created from JPEG files in LR) are single illuminant, which is why they don’t work in the DNG Profile Editor. This prevents us from creating custom DNG Camera Profiles (DCP) to better support the wide range of color temperature required for IR. I’ll done quite a bit of research looking for a solution, but no success.
For the ELPH 180, I recommend setting a custom white balance in-camera before shooting, to get the WB as close as possible in the JPEG. Then you can tweak further in LR.
@@robshea damned that's too bad ok. Thank you very much for your advice !!!!
Hi Rob, I’ve followed you and watched most all of your video instructions for several years since converting a Nikon several Z7ii to full-spectrum. I have always heard that a custom profile for each camera should be made from a Raw shot with that (each) camera. But I just realized that none of the explanations I have been able to find (from you or others) say whether the Raw file used can be shot with any wavelength filter (any one will do?) Or, does a separate Raw file (and custom profile need to be done for EACH w/l filter which will be used on the same camera. Sure hope the answer is “any w/l will work for all”, but would appreciate any clarification. Thanks.
I had a thread where we briefly communicated recently but now I don't know where to find it. I also saw where you were offering to create custom profiles for people but I cannot find that link. I am attempting to get my custom color profile into the correct location in PS elements 2022+. I have taken three pictures with my XT2 converted by LifePixel to Hyerspectral. One is right out of the camera using Fuji 50-140mm at a mid-range F-stop, another is the same but with LifePixel super color (red) IR 72mm screw on filter, and lastly using a Fuji 16mm F1.4 at a mid-range stop and LifePixel 67mm deep B&W filter. I don't know if I need a custom profile for each scenario or just one profile. Also, I could use the link to send this or these raw file .RAF images to you for assistance?
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You can find all of my downloads here: 590.red/dl
Infrared Profile Pack: 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
I copied your profiles and pasted them following your instructions for a MAC. I happened to have a regular image (not IR) in the Develop Module of LR when I opened LR. I checked the profiles and they were all there. Then I opened an IR image shot with a 720 filter and when I went to the Profiles there were only 2 and one was a B&W. I clicked on the B&W and edited the image, but where did the profiles go? I opened another IR image and when I tried to change the color profile, they were all gone. All of this was done in LR Classic on the desktop. This can't be normal, do you have any idea why this could be happening? Thank you!
Profiles are only based on the camera model, the filter used in the shoot will not determine if a profile is available. If the file you have open is a TIF or JPG instead of the original camera raw, then the same profiles might not appear without the same camera metadata.
@@robshea thank you, I’ll check the file extension when I get home.
I'm working on a MAC and it won't let me download the link you sent me saying it's not a trusted site. Do you have another link or way for me to download this app? Thank you!
You can try to download it from here. helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/digital-negative.html
@@robshea I have that app, but doesn't allow color correction like the app you use.
@@sandykreit1752 Adobe DNG Profile Editor can create profiles to shift the color temperature, allowing you to set a better white balance. Beyond creating profiles, other changes will need to happen in your editor, such as Lightroom, Photoshop, or others.
Greetings Rob,
Just sent to your Dropbox a 720nm IR Pro Raw image captured with an iPhone 13 Pro Max wide camera.
For some reason, I cannot change the settings to White Balance on the Adobe Profile Editor: message “the operation could not be completed”.
I opened it in ACR 9.1 (an old version that came with my CS6) and saved it in DNG and it still didn’t work with A.P.Editor.
Very much appreciate your assistance, Rob. Thank you.
Using your image, I've added a couple profiles for the iPhone 13 Pro Max wide camera to the Infrared Profile Pack: 590.red/ipp
If you can send an image from the telephoto camera, I can add that as well.
In the Adobe Profile Editor, the default Base Profile displayed for some images is the Embedded profile. You cannot create a new profile with a temperature shift based on the Embedded profile. Switching to the Standard base profile does allow you to make this change.
@@robshea Thank you for adding the iPhone 13 Pro Max wide camera to the Infrared Profile Pack. I got it to work with my old Adobe Camera Raw 9.1 (CS6) on my desktop.
Is there any way of importing it to my iPhone without an Adobe Cloud/Adobe Lightroom subscription (i.e. I have only Lightroom Mobile)? I have tried to Air Drop the two profiles to my iPhone (My Files) but I could not get LR Mobile to open/recognise them (the profiles are greyed out).
Otherwise, I guess I would have to purchase a one month Adobe Lightroom Plan (or the free trial) to do the syncing of the profiles.
I have just uploaded the iPhone 13 Pro Max telephoto lens.
Many thanks, Rob.
@@eddiecyy I've searched for ways to import profiles directly into Lightroom mobile, but haven't found any. It appears that they can only be imported from the desktop version.
The file you uploaded it a JPG. Can you upload a DNG? Thanks!
Hi Rob,
I don’t know why for for some reasons, the raw file (telephoto 77mm) I uploaded to your Dropbox showed as jpg instead. Do you have an email whereby I could send you (you could reply through my email if you don’t want it here).
@@eddiecyy Sure, send email to 3ge6anl9w@relay.firefox.com
The free Infrared Profile Pack contains infrared profiles for every model of camera. Details at 590.red/infrared-profile-pack
Hello, I have sent you an image to be able to create the profile because it was impossible for me to create it myself (the Adobe link does not work).
Thank you very much and greetings.
@@Danycl_ph Added. Thanks!
@@robshea Thank so much :)
Strangely I was able to create a profile for my Nikon D40 (modified for 470nm Hyper Color, image shot using a 590nm screw on filter) and was able to use it in Lightroom. I don’t know if this is because I’m using an old version of Lightroom (CC 7.0 2017). The profile pop-up is in a different area, in the Camera Calibration module all the way at the bottom. Also I was able to download Adobe DNG Editor using a ftp client, because yes, you can’t download it via their webpage. So it is still available, you just have to go through the back door to get it.
Thank you so much. I just uploaded a raw file from a Sony A7C.
I've added a written guide to this process here: blog.robsheaphotography.com/2019/10/19/creating-infrared-custom-profile-lightroom-photoshop.html
Hello Rob, thanks for all the information. Please advise here. I tried creating the Profile as well as used the one from your profile pack (Nikon Z 8 Infrared Temp -100.dcp). But unfortunately, anytime I am choosing a neutral color to set the WB, I am always getting 2000 as the lower value. Tried switching between the other profiles back and forth but didn't help. My filter is 590nm and Lightroom version is 13.3.1. Any help is appreciated.
I'd be happy to take a look at a raw file. Send to 590.red/share
@@robshea Thank you. I have uploaded the raw NEF file. Appreciate your help and time.
@@royimagesdotcom This image appears to have been taken with a 590nm filter on an unconverted camera. This filter allows too much visible light to pass and will capture very little IR light. With unconverted cameras, you should use a 720nm filter, which captures only a sliver of visible light and allows more IR light to be captured.
@@robshea Thanks a lot Rob for your time, always appreciate your insights.
Thanks!