MXPX: Why the punk scene HATED Tooth & Nail
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- Опубліковано 31 сер 2023
- Mike Herrera of MXPX talks about Tooth & Nail Records
Full interview: • MXPX: Early years, Too...
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Man, he really did everything in his power to not talk about Tooth & Nail.
Right I watched this for nothing lmao
Yeah, and I dont really blame him. Tooth and Nail basically put everything into MXPX, but in the end was still the biggest thing holding them back. The Way of the Buffalo lyrics describe a pretty strained relationship with them, the touring situation seemed perpetually awkward, and the scandalous near-demise of Tooth and Nail years later after getting involved in a self-help book scam... not something he likely wants to get into.
Mike is going to hell now
I really hope not. Christianity is the counter culture now. I hope he comes back @@shamupeterson2874
@@shamupeterson2874😂😂😂
Tooth & Nail was the gateway label for suburb kids whose moms would let us listen to Punk Rock
for real. the first CD i ever bought once i finally got a CD player was ghoti hook's "sumo surprise" because it sold at a christian book store my mom let me shop at. that album changed my life and musical trajectory forever.
Tooth and nail was my childhood. Mxpx was my first concert back in I think 98.
My first one too, also in like 98 or 99.
not a bad choice.. they played my first sk8 contest.. i placed 5th
I saw them a couple times in the mid-late 90s at cornerstone Christian rock festival. Good times. Oooo and five iron frenzy! So good!
"The underlying theme is that MXPX came from humble beginnings, with limited knowledge of the broader music industry, yet their genuine passion and talent allowed them to carve a niche for themselves. The topic of why punk bands disliked Tooth & Nail isn't directly addressed in this excerpt." -ChatGPT summary of this video's transcript
Thank you for saving me 9 minutes and 55 seconds of my life
The one time where I praise ai
I remember when the lead singer from YellowCard gave his demo tape to Ghoti Hook right in the middle of the show at the Milk Bar. Had to network however you could back in the day.
Loved ghoti hook and slick shoes.
That's rad. Yellowcard was good man
there not anymore?@@Npc2thousand
I remember catching GhotiHook at a ramshackle old movie theater turned music venue over 23 yrs ago, good show
Ghoti Hook revival and newish Slick Shoes album, they are not dead!
Tooth & Nail + Solid State were almost as influential to my music taste as Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. I usually tell people that the vast majority of my music taste came from the latter, but actually it's like a 60/30/10 split between THPS/T&N/what I heard on the radio, respectively. Tooth and Nail helped me discover Anberlin, Emery, Fair (Aaron Sprinkle's band after Poor Old Lu), Demon Hunter, Norma Jean, He Is Legend, and Underoath. Beyond that, their samplers made great counterparts to the Warped Tour samplers I'd pick up on the punk side. The weird thing about this whole thing is, Tony Hawk primed me to start looking for music on the soundtracks of extreme sports games like Matt Hoffman, and it was because of THAT that I discovered MxPx (specifically, "Play It Loud" was on the soundtrack of SSX3). It was only later that I discovered they were on Tooth & Nail.
They never really addressed the question stated in the video title. The reason the punk scene hated T&N was because they only signed “Christian” bands. I remember the backlash when Fat put out the MxPx EP. Real tolerant scene.
The irony now is Christianity is punk rock
No it's not.@@bobbun4369
@@bobbun4369Conservatism is the new punk rock.
So cool to see Mike talk about this. My old band was on Solid State Records which was a sub label of T&N. I remember going to visit one of their offices when we were on tour in 05 or 06 and being able to grab a bunch of CDs. I grabbed a couple of MXPX records and that's how i learned some of my favorite songs to this day. Great memory.
What band were you in?
@@cmdaniels1986 twelve gauge valentine
It's cool but he didn't really talk about tooth n nail at all.
Early years of Tooth and Nail had some elite artists.
The crucified!
agreed. Both Zao and Strongarm were loved by kids , christian or not.
Much love. Yuri a badass drummer!
Tooth and nail was my everything 96 to 2003!
MxPx!!!! Great band, great guy!
only one of the band members is a great guy?
Love MxPx and I still love Tooth & Nail. So many great bands that had a launching point as a result of their association with the label. Had it not been for the label so many bands would have slipped through the cracks and not had the traction they did. Mike, keep doing what you're doing. The new album is absolutely fantastic!!!
Definitely agree here. I had a few of their compilation records from T&N and it was on repeat in my car often!
i was one of those kids whose parents wouldn’t let me listen to secular music and i didn’t like normal christian music so mxpx and reliant k and stuff like that was what actually what got me into punk rock
I appreciate that Mike has not bashed in T&N and kind of tip toed around Finns question
Nothing wrong being punk and having Faith. Grew up on NOFX and MXPX just the same. Fun fact: first MXPX show was in a Church in Arlington, Texas.
I love bands on tooth&nail
MxPx were my gateway into so many other bands. Dorky middle aged guys who were once Christian pop punk kids unite!
Nope lol
we made fun of MXPX fans back in the 90s😅
The tables have turned now. Christianity is punk. It's pretty ballsy and counter culture now.
@brandonwellington3547 is it? Not sure I'd call the right wing nonsense counter culture. It's more of the old guard in its death throes. Now, Jesus is punk, but evangelicals are not.... if that is what you meant. Apologies if I misinterpreted.
Depends on what you consider evangelical. Not bowing to woke agendas and being cancelled over just disagreeing with people says a lot. Running around trouble making and name calling people that I've seen some so called Christians do is lame and not at all Christian teaching.@@joshgubser2625
Found this interview because I was hearing an mxpx song in my head and looked for it to share it with someone. It definitely still holds up.
I remember and had tons of friends bands on Tooth & Nail. Huge fan of that collection of bands, and Tooth & Nail records.
I forgot about just how young MxPx were when they started putting albums out. They were pretty prolific for teenagers from Bremerton.
Where tf was Bremerton?
I don't know authoritatively but watching this whole interview today, I interpreted it to be in Washington, a town....
Bremerton is a small port town in the state of Washington. There’s a navy base there. It was a working class, blue collar kinda town…completely removed from the punk scenes in SF or LA. The fact that 3 teenagers in Bremerton, pre-internet, were doing their own thing and putting out a bunch of albums was impressive.
I didn't hate Tooth & Nail. I really liked Tooth & Nail...
Original Tooth and nail Compilation is where it's at
Songs from the Penalty Box??
On Upsetter Records
Slick Shoes and Dogwood were some great bands
great bands yeah but a lot of people dont want to listen to preachy christian bands
Slick Shoes has a pretty new album out....
I don't remember Slick shoes ever getting preachy... I've listened to all their albums & their lyrics are pretty low key. but maybe to Dogwoods credit... you could call it preachy or I call it the balls to say what others won't say... Dogwood had some level A lyrics and kept it humble at the same time. Saw them live & they were super genuine... but also Bold.
If someone says they believe something but actually only pay it lip service and never go hard into their convictions ... that doesn't convince me... no respect for the fear. It's the fearless who don't care what others think that are interesting
@@hmj8y slick shoes is deff Christian
Yeah no doubt @@rosecoloredboy6319 but the topic was preachy. I never saw them get preachy at a show and can't name a song that did, but maybe you have different experience?
Tooth & Nail helped a lot of repressed Christian kids in the South sneak all sorts of punk and hardcore in to their households. You get a couple of Tooth & Nail albums, let your folks get used to Living Sacrifice style hardcore, then start bringing in the secular stuff "moooom it's just Christian hardcore punk" lol
The irony now is that Christianity is punk rock
@@bobbun4369 no. No it isn’t.
@@JudsonParkergreat argument… you really convince mean lmao. Sam smith dresses as a devil and has men simulating gay sex on stage but Christianity isn’t punk… the cope is strong with you… grow up
It sure isn't, that idiot is posting that everywhere. Propagandhi lyrics are punk, the Bible isn't. @@JudsonParker
@@JudsonParkerYes. Yes it is
Mae is complete professionals
Tooth and Nail was my life in high school.
Hey Finn, have you ever settled the debate about the best band to come out of Washington area? I'm going with Sunny Day but Modest mouse is a close second
Dag Nasty?
@@markshadows3667 WA state, not district
Sir-Mix-A-Lot
Waxwing.
The Beatles
So why did the punk scene hate tooth and nail?…
Cause they were a Christian punk label
Christian weridos bankrolled it
Forgot how big of an influence Thrasher was on my music choices.
It didn't take much back in the Day for the Punk Rock Scene to hate things.
Sad but true
A lot of people assume, sometimes correctly, that a Christian rock band is "watered down" etc., but I never felt that way about MxPx. They helped rock me through my adolescence along with Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph Records bands.
as man who's never met MXPX I have a million mxpx stories lol. 1994 or 95 daytona beach on the boardwalk nobody knows mxpx is playing. Ends up being a show of 20 of our friends cause I got them to come. Best concert ever was almost like a private show You Found me was on my surf video from new symrna. Anywho long time fan.
Punk rawk show and chick magnet are classics
Crazy, I had the same childhood
I use only my music from Tooth & Nail, MXPX is my favorite band.
being from south orange county, i had many friends on tooth and nail. not sure why south county become such a hub for the label considering by then it was out of seattle. the dingees, supertones, etc.. i think there was even a big festival back in the day in chicago called cornerstone or something. either way, the label was corny and the bands were cheesy. none of the people i know from them are even christians anymore except some members of the supertones. im glad i got into 2tone and british indie music when i was a senior in high school instead of getting trapped in the christian music scene.
I love Before Everything and After
"...get picked up by my Buddy Rich" 😂🥁😂
I welcomed the + lyrics at 14 despite not being Christian, instead of self-destruction & feeling sorry about what card life delt you, Life in General is a classic.
Man they should redo pokanachi album
Wow the boombox "mixing".. that takes me back. I thought we were originators LOL
Holy ramble lol! Wow Mike just answer the questions geez
When I was a teenager, I was def one of those people who wrote off MxPx b/c they were on a Christian label, I just assumed they were lame. But years later I saw them with Lagwagon, and they ripped, it was awesome.
Yep, he doesn't talk about tooth and nail at all... whatever. Cool band and cool that he's playing in Golfinger now
I never understood the whole idea of not liking christian punk band's I always jambed tooth and nail and screaming giant etc
You know someone grew up modest when they first got drunk on lucky. That was my first time foo.
Was at a show at STL in 2005 and MXPX let a kid get up on stage and play Chick magnet it was a great moment.
Tooth and nail was a Christian punk record label
I'm clicking off this video but it's just to watch the full interview. Sorry if it affects your stats
Analyzing the Magnified Plaid.
I thought this was a video about the Dokken album Tooth and Nail
my gf loved these guys
So, what does he think of Tooth & Nail?
The headline of this video isn't even addressed in the video...what the heck?! Click bait?
Uh, I never found out why the punk scene hated tooth & nail 🤷♂️
I remember moving to Bremerton in late '90s and nobody liked MXPX locally. For some odd reason
This was kind of annoying. Seems like they’re trying to pretend they didn’t know T&N was Christian. Hey guys… we know you were Christian kids and signed to a Christian label. Maybe they wanted to be closer to that scene at the start, and then found they wanted to distance from it. Maybe even now (30 years later) they don’t associate with it at all. There’s nothing wrong with that. Nobody cares anymore. They’re just a great band that’s still going strong.
funny thing is the owner says it was never a christian label lol
@@rosecoloredboy6319 kind of just semantics when 99% of the bands on there were Christian, had Christian’s in it, or had Christian lyrics, etc. Seems silly to retroactively distance their selves from it… or debate it actually. 😂
@@RLSumnerWeb I’m just telling you what he said I don’t disagree lll
@@rosecoloredboy6319 yeah. I figured we were in agreement basically. 😎
They had a huge falling out with Tooth & Nail after Life in General. Mike found out they had been screwed over in the contract and Brandon Ebel essentially stole his music. That's what the song "What's Mine Is Yours" was written about , and that's why some later albums were released under the label "What's Mine Is Mine." T&N released Let It Happen as a cash grab when they lost MxPx. It was just a compilation of tracks that hadn't been widely released. This is also why they went back to Tooth & Nail for Secret Weapon. In exchange for one more record, Tooth & Nail gave Mike the rights to his songs, but not the recordings. This is why they rerecorded Life in General. They pulled a Taylor Swift before Taylor Swift did, except it never really caught on because the original recording was so much better. Presumably, part of the contact is that they're not allowed to talk about Tooth & Nail publicly.
Anyway, Brandon Ebel is a piece of crap.
Imagine trying to be living now as a 16 year old kid and your parent's are like "we're leaaving Friday afternoon to go to great aunt so and so's funeral. We'll be back on Sunday. So lets party right?! but then... Ring doorbell, vigilante Karens, Wuss culture. Whatever kids make it through that onslaught, are the bro's that carry the future.
as an atheist, I've never given two sh!ts about the whole mxpx christian thing. It's so unfortunate that that whole thing really hampered there career in the long run. That time between Life in General and The Ever Passing Moment should have been a time with them on MTV and being as big as Blink 182. Slowly Going... is such a great album with catchy melody after catchy melody. It should have made them massive
…ssoo why did the punk scene hate T&N? From my experience, most of my punk friends just didn’t care for the label or the bands, but they didn’t even talk about it in the video haha.
He literally does not talk about why anyone dislikes T&N though
1993
The crucified!
I really wish I could have seen mxpx, I mean I did but it was the drummer's birthday party and they didn't play any songs when they opened up for blink-182 and Bad religion. Quite disappointing actually when you pay that kind of money and all they do is fuck off for a solid half hr😂
It's funny how so many people try to be the gatekeepers of cool! Who cares if they are or aren't Christian! If they treat people good and don't impress their personal perspectives on the unwilling. There is nothing wrong with it! Not all christians are of the Evangelical sect!
This video had nothing to do with why the pink scene hated Tooth and Nail. I liked the interview but the title was misleading.
Lol was the question about tooth and nail or what were some good memories? Lol
bout even in 02 i heard tooth and nail wasnt good label cause the deals werent no good . lol we were like f tht label as if they were lookin at us 😂
No one ever talks about the mxpx album that got released on fat wreck chords the Renaissance e.p. i consider the last good mxpx recording.
Mike (and MxPx) has some fucked up history with Ebel, and I think he has probably tried to put it all behind him. So he won't fall into the trap of talking about T&N.
The punk scene 😂
Im 35. Mxpx is my favorite band of all time. When i was 18 i got the pokinatcha pretty big on my neck lol. Im no longer christian either. It was fudged up how they were treated.
I remember being at a punk show at the RCKCNDY way back in the day and Mike was there and I was just chilling in the back and smoking a J. I was like "hey man, aren't you Mike Herrera? I dig your band, bro" (honestly didn't but it's w/e) and offered him a hit and he got way the fuck bent out of shape and offended and went on some preachy rant about being Christian and your body is a temple blah blah blah and telling me how shitty I was for smoking a little weed at a punk show. Like bro, it's a PUNK show, the least of the debauchery you're gonna see is a dude toking up lmao...He used to be way up his own ass back in the day, hopefully he's grown up since then but damn man he was being totally shitty about something that's not that big a deal. He could have just said "nah bro, I'm good" 😑
@Capnsensible80
You lied about liking the band, then proceeded to try and corrupt him….
Finn i would’ve loved if you would’ve asked Mike why he stopped being a Christian and if he doesn’t believe anymore than why does he still play some of the songs he did that talked about Christianity.
Good question. Something tells me it wouldn’t fly with this channel but maybe I’m wrong.
@@melissap5649 I don’t know. Finn seems pretty open to discuss anything
Mikes says he was never a “Christian “ that he was just involved in a youth group at church…but he never really cared for it…but the fist album is pretty much about god..he had to leave god to get bigger…
@@akha72 he quoted Bible verses in Teenage politics. If he didn’t believe it then why would he do that? He didn’t have to leave God to get big they were big before he ever came out and said that
@@toddosterhout9866 I’m just quoting him…he said he don’t believe in Christ anymore..i do pray he comes back tho
Brem city.
Tooth and nail was great..brandon evil...😂 not so much...
Nar, sorry, the "we were young and clueless" excuse doesn't work, because you RE-SIGNED with Tooth and Nail in 2007, ELEVEN YEARS after your last album on that label. Own it.
Terrible title for the video. This has nothing to do with you said it would be. As an interviewer, you barely touched on your video title. If you're going to try and click bait us, at least deliver with something we don't know and not just general conversation.
Everyone who is like "oh, you knew that T&N Records was a Christian label...blah blah blah..." You do realize that MXPX was signed very early on with the label. The label started in 1993 and MXPX played a showcase for them in...1993. Again, pre-internet days, it isn't outside the realm of possibility that some kids in small-town WA didn't know much about this label that had just started in California. And there are plenty of podcasts where Mike addresses his religious views. Not every interview has to be about that. Especially one on a channel that isn't about spirituality. Most of us have gotten over that MXPX isn't a "Christian band" anymore and a lot of us got over Christianity too.
because religion and punk rock are diametrically opposed forces in the universe.
he never answered the question
I’ve never really considered MxPx to be peers of Lagwagon or Pennywise because Lagwagon and Pennywise are good. MxPx is not.
90s punk was so safe and boring.
Finn, I love ya, but this video title is bullshit. Lol
ah finn always has 2 mention how fucked up his family was, shows how much it hurts u when u grew around disucsting duufus
I wish MXPX gave more back to Bremerton.
I can honestly say that them being associated with Christianity is the reason I never listened to them back in the day. So, are or were they a christian band or not?
back in the day they had some christian lyrics, but weren't a "christian band" fast forward a few decades and they arent christian at all.
@@josh-ez7ft so did they write those type of lyrics after they signed with that label and were just trying to exploit that niche or were they writing about christian themes before they were signed to a christian label? I always thought about doing a Cartmen faith+1 thing to make it big in the christian rock scene where it would be a lot easier competition wise.
@@josh-ez7ft ua-cam.com/video/NrhJT98IoaQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=5auce
They were Christian kids in a punk band, but they weren’t really a Christian band and didn’t sing about religion. I think some people didn’t get into MxPx because they were kind of like a PG punk band. They didn’t have the same edge as NOFX 😂
@@MrVisde Yep, that was exactly my train of thought as a 15 year old
WTF? He didn't say anything about hating Tooth and Nail. Clickbate.
Why are you discussing punk with Mxpx? Makes no sense.
Tooth and Nail was for bands not good enough to make it in mainstream secular music. So you claim Christianity to at least get on the road and tour.
mxpx so weak ...tooth and nail was a Christian label
u knew what u were getting into ...
Well your going to grab any opportunity at that age aren’t you ? especially back then. who knows what would have happend had they turned it down
@@honeybadger9425they would a still blew up, I mean Fat Mike wouldn't have signed em but they would a got signed somewhere, who knows maybe Hopeless records? Nitro Records? 🤷🏻♂️
they were talented man, they would a blew up.
Stop crying little girl. The big spaghetti god screws over EVERYONE. The music business in general
@@jessejames5335 bro the music biz (Hollywood in general) is 1,000% IM SURE OF IT MAURY is ran by Shatan .....
Dude looks default create a characther
Him saying holy shit I love it
It’s nice to see mxpx has moved past their Christian rock past and become a full on white supremacist band.
mxpx sucked back then and they suck now lol
😂 boooooooo