Eric, I have to hand it to you. You manage to get that big ol' wrecker through places no mere mortal (or sane person) should attempt! Great video, loved watching. I was beginning to think Seatcover wasn't along, until I caught a short glimpse of her in the background towards the end (25:00) of the video.
I was curious if you made a video of this run. We were the group behind you on the trail. Good meeting you guys, that’s easily my favorite trail in the state!
Love your videos I’m not sure about the Matt’s off-road t-shirt and the extra gas cans I’m thinking one or the other but both just doesn’t seem right Keep up the great videos!!
Looks like you did a great job negotiating that trail!! It definitely had some pretty tough obstacles!! I had to laugh when some of them got "turtled" on a rock!! 😄
You need to build a "weekend warrior" so you can give the wrecker a break. Plus, then you can take the "tough line". You and seat cover deserve a play rig!
I think the dry landers would have a stroke sliding around in the mud and tight trees. Really hope they take the challenge tho. I do think theyd love it after they get used to it.
Thanks for taking us out wheeling! Looks so much fun ! -Till this date, though, I cannot understand the claim that manual is better in offroading/wheeling! But that's me. My own experience is indeed with slow 4-cyl diesels and manual. But how the autos keep the momentum .... gotta beat the manuals any day!
I am reminded of the skit from the Grand Ole Opry where the guy says, "Hey Doc', it really hurts when I move my arm like this." The doctor replies, ""Well then, don't move your arm like that. That'll be one dollar please."
Hey Eric, I sure hope every one of the group you guided into and out of that trail takes time to watch this video over and over. There were some major mistakes made by each and every one of those drivers. Their biggest mistake is not knowing how to read the trail ( or obesticle ) and not knowing how to let the vehicle tell them what they need to do. Some think you just push hard and the vehicle will go where they think it will go. That can and usually does go badly. I think a lack of experience was a key factor here. Maybe you could have a little open air classroom talk with anyone who wants to learn how to wheel without doing major damage to or even rolling their rig. In the Army we called that OJT ! On The Job Training. I think by them seeing their own vehicle and how they handled this ride could be a great teaching experience for them. Thanks to you and your team for leading these and others into and out of such an off road adventure. That trail would be a real experience in my little old flat fender CJ. Work Safe, Be Well Enjoy Life
Lol... that is such very little carnage to the wrecker ESPECIALLY considering what you are doing with it!!! That's some good off road driving!! Lol....was anyone wheeling square bodies like this when they were in production? This is extreme!! And awesome!!
Clifford the Big Red Dog! Yet you take and go back with the wrecker, the day it doesn't break its built perfect! My friends call me to go run the trails usually after they are stuck! I cut the sides of my deck to the width of my cab then reattached them! Best thing I did no more guessing if you can get between the obstacles
Would love to hit that trail when i get my 94 explorer rebuilt i live in Michigan i have always said Wisconsin Michigan have some nasty trails that are a blast
I think Matt from matts offroad recovery should bring his off-road wrecker on this trail also Paul from fab rats I think this would be a great combination love the work keep it up, from canada lol
I think matts wrecker might be to big....but we know Matt wouldn't back down from the challenge Paul will give it the beans n bully his way through it 😂😂
Those mini-van v6 engines stellantis is putting in the newer jeeps is crap, or was it benz that started that? while they owned chrysler? Someone correct me please
Overlander" 😆 I prefer Tow Truck, that's the best rig for any situation! , but a vehicle setup for camping/cooking, and awnings bolted on everywhere, that just ain't going to cut it! ! Doubt that awning and pop up tent are going to do anything for your offroad capability! But 2 solid axles and 4 leaf springs and a dependable engine is what you need! Maybe that portable stove will cook you a steak after you get stuck will be nice, and the BSF team will come save you, you just better have a few meals waiting for them! 😅
I'm not sure but I think you should give the wrecker. She sounds like she's missing a little bit but those chevy's are better than those ford's even when they are missing. Oh no I didn't just say that. My bad.
Eric you should call out Matt and Paul and Rory for the challenge so do that trail and no Matt can't use the world largest off Wrecker what do you think Eric about that
If it weren't about towing then the Moorvair or Banana would handle this with ease. If it were about towing then why exclude the MOOR wrecker? Any of Rory's jeeps or Paul's FJ or Taco(if resurrected) could handle it, their wrecker too. They know how to handle mud and tight trails. These guys aren't just playing in dry desert. Remember before the world's largest off road wrecker Matt was, and still is, using the Moorvair and Banana on difficult recoveries.
May I ask, why do you and Trailmator run duels on offroad vehicles? I understand for onroad use, it gives better weight distribution (and thus allows a heavier load) along with redundancy in case of puncture. But offroad those benefits appear to completely disappear. The uneven terrain puts the entire load onto a single tire and if that's an outside wheel, it adds a lot of force onto the axle stub. Rocks getting caught in between can cause huge damage to BOTH tires. You can't let the air out as much as you'll end up rubbing the tires in the middle. So, am I missing something? Is there a benefit I don't know of? It seems to me like running an extra wide single tire would give most of the same onroad benefits with much better offroad benefits. Please help me to understand (genuinely interested to learn).
Distance between tires is a matter of what size spacer you use. The benefit is stability with a vehicle on the hook. The boom when loaded adds weight and raises the wreckers center of gravity substantially, the added width helps to offset that force. And the wrecker has less ground pressure with 6 tires rather than 4. Think of a skid steer loader, which would you prefer in sloppy mud, a tracked or wheeled version? The right answer should be tracked version and the difference is ground pressure, the surface area of the track that is in contact with the ground at any one time is much greater than with 4 tires, meaning that every square inch of track has less weight exerted on it than every square in of tire does. Also a dual tire vehicle even on road is not capable of just driving on a flat tire. The duals are only for stability and load carrying capacity. Tires have a load rating, take load range E for instance, it is 1,520 Lb x 2 that equals 3,040 lb. X 4 that is 6,080 lb. The spare tire is for redundancy in case of a flat. Sure you could build a wider axle to still get the same triangular stability with SRW but that falls short because the ability to have only one tire on an obstacle is a help in many cases because it can be used strategically to keep the wrecker flat. And a wide spacing between tires is far from ideal just in the sense of obstacle clearance to the differential. Rory(Trailmater) has gone over his reasoning for why many many times.
@@truracer20 I understand all of that, but singles can have all of the same benefits. More so in the case of BSF, the boom only takes the 100% of the load vertically. If the wrecker is on a lateral angle to the horizon, yes the boom and hook alone will act as a plumb bob and lift off axis to the vehicle, BUT the A frame is designed not only to hold a towed vehicle a set distance behind the wrecker, but also fix its position to the centreline of the wrecker. If as the wrecker leans further over, that A frame starts to carry the load. So the apparent centre of gravity really doesn't extend higher than the A frame. And single tires that reach as wide as dual axles provide the same base of stability. As for which skidsteer I'd own, having used both including in sloppy mud, I'd got for a wheeled skidsteer EVERY time. You can reduce the tire pressure and use a wheeled track kit (tracks that wrap around your wheels) if you really need to, but in mud that's REALLY sloppy, you either want to cut through the mud and hit the solid base, or you paddle your way out with the bucket and wait for it to dry. I've watched excavators working in knee deep coal dust mud (open cut coal mine fire, LOTS of water being thrown around). The tracks do not float in real sloppy mud, they sink. The excavator just dug into the ground with its bucket and dragged its crippled undercarriage along. Ignoring extremes like that, I was recently watching some testing of tires 35inch tires, wide vs narrow, for ground pressure / contact. Surprisingly, the narrower tire (of the same manufacturer / model, just different width) performed better. As air pressure was reduced, the wide walls deformed more and gave much better contact area. I'd also point out that less ground pressure is NOT always a benefit. Less ground pressure means less grip on hard surfaces. And as I said earlier, sometimes you want to cut through thin layers of mud and grip onto the hard base below. There is a reason the old WW2 Jeeps had such narrow tires. As for load capacity, tires intended to be suitable for dual use come with two load ratings. Their normal one for single use and a reduced rating for dual use. My single tires even using their reduced rating, are still MUCH higher then I need. Just two tires have a capacity exceeding my vehicles gross capacity. With four wheels, I can carry an entire second vehicle on my roof and STILL have load capacity to spare. So, are the duals really needed for load capacity? I'll try to find one of Rory's videos explaining it, but I still don't understand how the supposed benefits outweigh the downsides for offroad use, where the slower speed allows for much less air pressure.
@@truracer20 with respect, whilst your response isn't wrong, it doesn't actually explain what benefit duals have over singles in this use case. For example, you say duals give better contact area / reduced ground pressure. That's correct, but single wider tires aired down ALSO do that. Duals have an increased load capacity. True, but if only one of the duals is touching the ground, they actually have a reduced load capacity and it doesn't answer if the wrecker actually needs the extra load capacity. Hence why I am asking the question to be ACTUALLY explained in context to the offroad use case. As per my understanding and as per your explanation, singles can do everything duals can. So what am I missing?
Just remember that that wrecker at 9000 lbs is most definitely a Chevy if only Ford could only come to realize that there is a very very big difference. Oh yeah most definitely my friend
Do any of you have lockers?,🤭, there must also be a shortage of manifold/header gaskets in Wisconsin,🙄, Eric should steer clear of any-n-all rocks, tho I doubt his wrecker can get much uglier,😆, all those goofy women know to do is to push the gas-pedal more.🤤
Eric hanging out with you guys trail riding would definitely be a fun experience never know what to expect
I love watching your wrecker at 9000 + lbs leading the way for a bunch of jeeps, and yes that trail is pretty challenging
Eric, I have to hand it to you. You manage to get that big ol' wrecker through places no mere mortal (or sane person) should attempt! Great video, loved watching. I was beginning to think Seatcover wasn't along, until I caught a short glimpse of her in the background towards the end (25:00) of the video.
That trail seems pretty fun! The lady in the black Jeep has a bit of a heavy foot, I bet shed be fun in mud!
I was curious if you made a video of this run. We were the group behind you on the trail. Good meeting you guys, that’s easily my favorite trail in the state!
Eric, every athlete suffers injury at some point and the wrecker gets hurt, recovers with good doctoring and is fit for another adventure.
Love to see the old wrecker just out there having fun Eric.
The wrecker outshines the Jeeps , Eric
That’s one heck of a trail, definitely works the frame and suspension over.Eric you seems to have a good sense about how to get around on it. 👍
Couldn't help but notice how the driver of the black 4 door Jeep seemed to take it a little easier on the skinny pedal after getting high centered. 😂
What a fun trail! Especially when the bugs arent bad. Awesome Video!
You got that right!
Chick in the black jeep got a heavy foot take it easy baby
Love your videos
I’m not sure about the Matt’s off-road t-shirt and the extra gas cans
I’m thinking one or the other but both just doesn’t seem right
Keep up the great videos!!
the black jeep is to throttle happy.
It seems you, Matt and Rory all have wrecker issues. Good luck and note we enjoy the videos.
Looks like you did a great job negotiating that trail!! It definitely had some pretty tough obstacles!! I had to laugh when some of them got "turtled" on a rock!! 😄
You need to build a "weekend warrior" so you can give the wrecker a break. Plus, then you can take the "tough line".
You and seat cover deserve a play rig!
Yeah, I think it's time for you to host a off-road wrecker game!!
Eric, where did you break the wrecker a few years ago when you "called in your chips"/for help??????
That was the first time on this trail.
Eric has just thrown down a challenge to the rest of the off road community, lets see if anyone steps up.
This would be a great trail for the Utahns to go off roading. Although, I notice they avoid your area. I think they are chicken. 😅
The Utah channels have purpose-built rigs that would make this trail look easy. Don’t kid yourself.
The rocks 🪨 wouldn't be a problem for them but they wouldn't like the mud except for rorry he's like what ever
@@scottfromfl6828Paul would mess up the fj just for the fun of it
I think the dry landers would have a stroke sliding around in the mud and tight trees. Really hope they take the challenge tho. I do think theyd love it after they get used to it.
it had been fun to see the wrecker at Robby layton. it really have been working hard
Smashing the like button all the way out here from Guam
Thanks for taking us out wheeling! Looks so much fun !
-Till this date, though, I cannot understand the claim that manual is better in offroading/wheeling! But that's me. My own experience is indeed with slow 4-cyl diesels and manual. But how the autos keep the momentum .... gotta beat the manuals any day!
Awesome 👌. Thank you 😊
Hopefully during the off-season, you can get those measurements for that spring company willing to make some adjustments for the wrecker!
Great video, thumbs up, She is always wearing Matt or Robbee gear, Great adventure, thanks for bringing us along, Rory would enjoy that trail
I am reminded of the skit from the Grand Ole Opry where the guy says, "Hey Doc', it really hurts when I move my arm like this." The doctor replies, ""Well then, don't move your arm like that. That'll be one dollar please."
Brass Balls! This is a great channel!
I used to carry 4 spare tires when off-roading. But I rarely had a backup vehicle on the trip. Nevada lava rock eats tires.
Hey Eric,
I sure hope every one of the group you guided into and out of that trail takes time to watch this video over and over.
There were some major mistakes made by each and every one of those drivers.
Their biggest mistake is not knowing how to read the trail ( or obesticle ) and not knowing how to let the vehicle tell them what they need to do.
Some think you just push hard and the vehicle will go where they think it will go.
That can and usually does go badly.
I think a lack of experience was a key factor here.
Maybe you could have a little open air classroom talk with anyone who wants to learn how to wheel without doing major damage to or even rolling their rig.
In the Army we called that OJT !
On The Job Training.
I think by them seeing their own vehicle and how they handled this ride could be a great teaching experience for them.
Thanks to you and your team for leading these and others into and out of such an off road adventure.
That trail would be a real experience in my little old flat fender CJ.
Work Safe, Be Well
Enjoy Life
Lol... that is such very little carnage to the wrecker ESPECIALLY considering what you are doing with it!!! That's some good off road driving!! Lol....was anyone wheeling square bodies like this when they were in production? This is extreme!! And awesome!!
Clifford the Big Red Dog! Yet you take and go back with the wrecker, the day it doesn't break its built perfect! My friends call me to go run the trails usually after they are stuck! I cut the sides of my deck to the width of my cab then reattached them! Best thing I did no more guessing if you can get between the obstacles
Very Impressive trail !!!
Great video,love the under chassis cams
Love the invitation at the end that would make lots of great content
Would love to hit that trail when i get my 94 explorer rebuilt i live in Michigan i have always said Wisconsin Michigan have some nasty trails that are a blast
I'm not sure but just guessing there's been more than one cup of coffee spilled on that dashboard am I right 👉 oh yeah.
Chris keep sound like it’s fixing to throw a rod
5:20 great series of shots here
That trail would be great for Maria to learn her truck!!!
I think Matt from matts offroad recovery should bring his off-road wrecker on this trail also Paul from fab rats I think this would be a great combination love the work keep it up, from canada lol
I think matts wrecker might be to big....but we know Matt wouldn't back down from the challenge
Paul will give it the beans n bully his way through it 😂😂
That girl with the black Jeep got whiskey throttle, she gonna break something
The trail must have a curse on the ole heavy wrecker! Never fails, something breaks.
Thanks for the video guys
Clifford needs a little love!
Tenth from Indiana 👊🏻💪🏻
Dig it!! You take your wrecker killer trails!! Have you ever seen any dogman in thoes woods?😮 Just kidding ❤your channel
Eric! I've always wanted to know what gear ratios do you run in the wrecker? That thing will go where NO other trucks can! Thanks.
5.13
I remember you have the Eaton E locker in the front but I don't remember what do you have in the rear ?
Yukon, Grizzly
@@offroadrecoveryteam thank you hope yall have a great week.
I’d like to try that trail in my Power Wagon and do some camping. Looks like a good time!
keep the clips coming
Fun watching that big ole hood push through the woods.
"At the start of the trail is a bridge constructed over a water run-off area". Oh, you mean a bridge over a river or creek? Good one Eric.
it is probably dry most of the time. just drainage when it rains. so not a creek or river.
that red Jeep sounds pretty rough
Yeah it does but if the old blue hair that's driving it was out walking it she'd sound pretty rough also. Lolololol
Sounds like salt belt exhaust to me.
Those mini-van v6 engines stellantis is putting in the newer jeeps is crap, or was it benz that started that? while they owned chrysler? Someone correct me please
Time to do Away with the Lift Blocks and get Springs made for the Lift you want and get Hardened Pins made for the front...
Hello Chris jeep the engine has a loud engine knock you can hear it
That 4 door sure liked to used a lot of throttle! 😬
ANYBODY I have an 82 GMC flatbed dually. Is possible to move the leafsprings from the outside of the frame , to the inside??
Great trail
that seems like the perfect test for Matts rigs to go on, that is if you can get him out of Utah
Overlander" 😆 I prefer Tow Truck, that's the best rig for any situation! , but a vehicle setup for camping/cooking, and awnings bolted on everywhere, that just ain't going to cut it! ! Doubt that awning and pop up tent are going to do anything for your offroad capability! But 2 solid axles and 4 leaf springs and a dependable engine is what you need! Maybe that portable stove will cook you a steak after you get stuck will be nice, and the BSF team will come save you, you just better have a few meals waiting for them! 😅
Subs are climbing 🎉🎉
Is it in four-wheel-drive?
I think i may have seen the Minnesota Dogman in the background..
Recoveryteam, Put the Wrecker Upfront just incase the Jeeps Behind you can't make it. God Bless
sounds like cliffard has a KNOCKING ROD.....
Lifter tick.
@@offroadrecoveryteam ok ... It was a very loud lifter tick....lol
The girl in black jeep is way to throttle happy 😂straight up high centered her jeep bc of it
If anyone going that was has room on the trailer for an extra vehicle or two we would run it with you.
That trail looks a lot like Tennessee
I was just wondering if the wrecker had a big block in her not that a nice small block wouldn't handle it just a whole lot more torque.
You keep breaking poor old Clifford the big red dog lol
That’s a rough trail for the ole wrecker
Can't tell you how many times I've made them baby jeeps look bad with the old f100 two wheel drive truck I had it was fun.
Chris's Jeep bad sounds
lifter tick, it is a inline 4.0L 6 cyl Jeep thing when they get a lot of miles on them.
I know I work on vehicles to doing a Tahoe right now rear main seal
Need to drop air in tires 😅
@22:45... It looks like a real MF'er! Holy crap!
What happens if someone is coming in the opposite direction!?
I'm not sure but I think you should give the wrecker. She sounds like she's missing a little bit but those chevy's are better than those ford's even when they are missing. Oh no I didn't just say that. My bad.
I see you have extra gas with you, yeah I guess the wrecker doesn't get the same gas mileage as the Jeeps 😂
DANG third time was not a charm☹☹☹
bsf tire eggs lol
I'm surprised that the girl in the black jeep didn't kill that poor car...
Eric you should call out Matt and Paul and Rory for the challenge so do that trail and no Matt can't use the world largest off Wrecker what do you think Eric about that
If it weren't about towing then the Moorvair or Banana would handle this with ease. If it were about towing then why exclude the MOOR wrecker? Any of Rory's jeeps or Paul's FJ or Taco(if resurrected) could handle it, their wrecker too. They know how to handle mud and tight trails. These guys aren't just playing in dry desert. Remember before the world's largest off road wrecker Matt was, and still is, using the Moorvair and Banana on difficult recoveries.
Part of this trail has written Rory all over it. Never saw those guy s whit their cars here.
May I ask, why do you and Trailmator run duels on offroad vehicles?
I understand for onroad use, it gives better weight distribution (and thus allows a heavier load) along with redundancy in case of puncture.
But offroad those benefits appear to completely disappear.
The uneven terrain puts the entire load onto a single tire and if that's an outside wheel, it adds a lot of force onto the axle stub.
Rocks getting caught in between can cause huge damage to BOTH tires.
You can't let the air out as much as you'll end up rubbing the tires in the middle.
So, am I missing something?
Is there a benefit I don't know of?
It seems to me like running an extra wide single tire would give most of the same onroad benefits with much better offroad benefits.
Please help me to understand (genuinely interested to learn).
Distance between tires is a matter of what size spacer you use. The benefit is stability with a vehicle on the hook. The boom when loaded adds weight and raises the wreckers center of gravity substantially, the added width helps to offset that force. And the wrecker has less ground pressure with 6 tires rather than 4.
Think of a skid steer loader, which would you prefer in sloppy mud, a tracked or wheeled version? The right answer should be tracked version and the difference is ground pressure, the surface area of the track that is in contact with the ground at any one time is much greater than with 4 tires, meaning that every square inch of track has less weight exerted on it than every square in of tire does.
Also a dual tire vehicle even on road is not capable of just driving on a flat tire. The duals are only for stability and load carrying capacity. Tires have a load rating, take load range E for instance, it is 1,520 Lb x 2 that equals 3,040 lb. X 4 that is 6,080 lb. The spare tire is for redundancy in case of a flat.
Sure you could build a wider axle to still get the same triangular stability with SRW but that falls short because the ability to have only one tire on an obstacle is a help in many cases because it can be used strategically to keep the wrecker flat. And a wide spacing between tires is far from ideal just in the sense of obstacle clearance to the differential.
Rory(Trailmater) has gone over his reasoning for why many many times.
@@truracer20 I understand all of that, but singles can have all of the same benefits.
More so in the case of BSF, the boom only takes the 100% of the load vertically.
If the wrecker is on a lateral angle to the horizon, yes the boom and hook alone will act as a plumb bob and lift off axis to the vehicle, BUT the A frame is designed not only to hold a towed vehicle a set distance behind the wrecker, but also fix its position to the centreline of the wrecker.
If as the wrecker leans further over, that A frame starts to carry the load.
So the apparent centre of gravity really doesn't extend higher than the A frame.
And single tires that reach as wide as dual axles provide the same base of stability.
As for which skidsteer I'd own, having used both including in sloppy mud, I'd got for a wheeled skidsteer EVERY time.
You can reduce the tire pressure and use a wheeled track kit (tracks that wrap around your wheels) if you really need to, but in mud that's REALLY sloppy, you either want to cut through the mud and hit the solid base, or you paddle your way out with the bucket and wait for it to dry.
I've watched excavators working in knee deep coal dust mud (open cut coal mine fire, LOTS of water being thrown around).
The tracks do not float in real sloppy mud, they sink. The excavator just dug into the ground with its bucket and dragged its crippled undercarriage along.
Ignoring extremes like that, I was recently watching some testing of tires 35inch tires, wide vs narrow, for ground pressure / contact.
Surprisingly, the narrower tire (of the same manufacturer / model, just different width) performed better. As air pressure was reduced, the wide walls deformed more and gave much better contact area.
I'd also point out that less ground pressure is NOT always a benefit.
Less ground pressure means less grip on hard surfaces. And as I said earlier, sometimes you want to cut through thin layers of mud and grip onto the hard base below.
There is a reason the old WW2 Jeeps had such narrow tires.
As for load capacity, tires intended to be suitable for dual use come with two load ratings. Their normal one for single use and a reduced rating for dual use.
My single tires even using their reduced rating, are still MUCH higher then I need. Just two tires have a capacity exceeding my vehicles gross capacity.
With four wheels, I can carry an entire second vehicle on my roof and STILL have load capacity to spare.
So, are the duals really needed for load capacity?
I'll try to find one of Rory's videos explaining it, but I still don't understand how the supposed benefits outweigh the downsides for offroad use, where the slower speed allows for much less air pressure.
@@35manning no amount of splaining will do you any good cause you know the answer. So why ask a question when it's a statement you intend to make?
@@truracer20 with respect, whilst your response isn't wrong, it doesn't actually explain what benefit duals have over singles in this use case.
For example, you say duals give better contact area / reduced ground pressure.
That's correct, but single wider tires aired down ALSO do that.
Duals have an increased load capacity. True, but if only one of the duals is touching the ground, they actually have a reduced load capacity and it doesn't answer if the wrecker actually needs the extra load capacity.
Hence why I am asking the question to be ACTUALLY explained in context to the offroad use case.
As per my understanding and as per your explanation, singles can do everything duals can. So what am I missing?
That brige looks like it needs some work or maintenance
Gday guys
AIR DOWN .. lol clifford
Time for long arms and coils
Just remember that that wrecker at 9000 lbs is most definitely a Chevy if only Ford could only come to realize that there is a very very big difference. Oh yeah most definitely my friend
Sounds like Clifford needs some engine work..
No shit that wrecker is like a mountain goat
Awesome video! How/where did Boomer get it's ouchies?
Wind Rock, TN
@@offroadrecoveryteam Thanks! 🙂
Do any of you have lockers?,🤭, there must also be a shortage of manifold/header gaskets in Wisconsin,🙄, Eric should steer clear of any-n-all rocks, tho I doubt his wrecker can get much uglier,😆, all those goofy women know to do is to push the gas-pedal more.🤤
I remember you have the Eaton E locker in the front but I don't remember what do you have in the rear ?
Yukon