I finally reached the point I can hire a full time merch/tm guy and I’m going to show him this video as mandatory training. Absolutely incredible insight man…thank you!
Man, i have huge respect for these bands that are not big enough to live off of it good yet not small enough to do it as a sidejob. it's the perfect spot where you don't want to be from a purely reasonable POV but they love it so they do it anyway and without them, there would be much less shows, in all genres. personally, i sometimes play small to medium clubs as opener and sometimes even smaller stuff as headliner gig but that's all local stuff within a few hours of my home so it gives me just enough air to smell how it's working and to feel like i'm a small part of it but man, i never would want to do this full time, it's not for me. this is hard fucking work and dont ever make the mistake to compare your wage vs the time you put in.
This was super interesting thank you for making this! Ive always been interested in tour managing// being a video/photographer for a band on tour. And seeing the bts of what goes down for a whole show was really cool to see! hopefully, i can be in the bts more for concerts after this covid stuff. Great video very well done!
Really enjoyed this. Have not heard of either band before, but just listened to them on YT. Both have a great sound. Will be catching the show nest time in ATL so please include in ‘24.
Touring is so much different from what we think ! Thanks for showing it. I don’t know who is this guy at 3:43 but I loved the realness. Wish you the best my friend 🙏🏼
Great video and great insight for fans out there. It shows a realistic view of how a Indie business model works. It’s not always s&$@s and giggles out there as well. I retired from the road 6 years ago, this brought back a lot of memories. Wouldn’t change a thing.🎧
Its amazing , just watched a video on a DJ making edm/dubstep - from my country flying worldwide living big hotels and 1 class air flights .. he’s in mid 20 making millions while hard working rock musicians almost can’t effort going on tour .. why isn’t there the same audience for all musicians ! Deeply respect and love to these struggling acts - hope huge success will land on your shoulders ❤️🔥🎤🎸
i was using a sony k3m on my a7sii at the time. it had a little shotgun going into one channel for the location sound and then a sennheiser g3 lav on charlie. g3 receiver went into the 2nd channel on the k3m.
Thats called paying your dues , if you stick with it and become very good the big $ are there waiting. But you have to be smart , not too greedy and be able to take ALOT of BS and sort thru it all in the beginning. If you are truly cut out fot this biz, you will get there.
There is no 'one answer' to your question. Often its right place, right time. Maybe fate. Someone who understands all types of people, has patience but also knows when to draw the line and deal with whatever situ needs resolving immediately. You grow into the position. One cant set themselves up to be in management. Its acquired thru years of experience doing other touring positions first. You have to know all the aspects of production in order to understand and control a load in show and load out. You dont learn that in a day or week or two months. Most of the 'instant tour manager' people that got into it cause they were friends with the band etc dont last very long.
@@westrig180 Interesting insights! I heard that you can actually go to uni in Germany to become a tour manager... Sounds like that wouldn't make much sense from what you've said...
Well that's better than the scene of scrounging through the dumpster out back for a free meal and smoking cigarette butts I was picturing Dude kind of looks like Davey Havok of AFI fame btw
This is honestly so wonderful. It's hard to find specific video content like this, especially on the topic. 10/10
holy shit this is underrated, it’s such great quality and content, this needs more views
some of the best music related content I have seen in a while. dude is a actually a G for handeling everything and being so chill in the chaos.
I finally reached the point I can hire a full time merch/tm guy and I’m going to show him this video as mandatory training. Absolutely incredible insight man…thank you!
Man, i have huge respect for these bands that are not big enough to live off of it good yet not small enough to do it as a sidejob. it's the perfect spot where you don't want to be from a purely reasonable POV but they love it so they do it anyway and without them, there would be much less shows, in all genres. personally, i sometimes play small to medium clubs as opener and sometimes even smaller stuff as headliner gig but that's all local stuff within a few hours of my home so it gives me just enough air to smell how it's working and to feel like i'm a small part of it but man, i never would want to do this full time, it's not for me. this is hard fucking work and dont ever make the mistake to compare your wage vs the time you put in.
I would watch a full tour of this content, keep it up!
This was super interesting thank you for making this! Ive always been interested in tour managing// being a video/photographer for a band on tour. And seeing the bts of what goes down for a whole show was really cool to see! hopefully, i can be in the bts more for concerts after this covid stuff. Great video very well done!
Really enjoyed this. Have not heard of either band before, but just listened to them on YT. Both have a great sound. Will be catching the show nest time in ATL so please include in ‘24.
love this!! would love to get into merch/tming one day, so this was very informative :)
Stoked to read this comment lol. Thanks for watching 🙏
Thank you so much for sharing! Hella inspiring to watch and gives a realistic POV. You are definitely badass 🔥
Super informative. Thank you. I appreciate the heads up on the software you use.
This brings back so many memories.
This was super informative! I’m doing all I can to break into the music industry somewhere and this video was superrr helpful!!
Touring is so much different from what we think ! Thanks for showing it.
I don’t know who is this guy at 3:43 but I loved the realness. Wish you the best my friend 🙏🏼
Tyler Povanda from SAVE FACE
Great behind the scenes look at how much work goes into putting on shows
Very cool video, thanks for the insight!
Great video and great insight for fans out there. It shows a realistic view of how a Indie business model works. It’s not always s&$@s and giggles out there as well. I retired from the road 6 years ago, this brought back a lot of memories. Wouldn’t change a thing.🎧
Awesome content man
This video is absolutely spot on, bare bones, no holds bared, as it is. Great video dude. From a Uk / Europe based TM. 🤘🎸 ⚡
thanks man happy to hear you enjoyed it 🙏
I wish I had access to this kind of content when I started touring haha
cool video, at 18:20 Charlie mentions ticket sales were only 1,350$?
Lots of bands are lucky to break even on tours, let alone profit. Merch sales help them a lot, but no one ever works on a tour just for the money.
This video is amazing please do more stuff like this
Great to watch as an indie. Artist
Its amazing , just watched a video on a DJ making edm/dubstep - from my country flying worldwide living big hotels and 1 class air flights .. he’s in mid 20 making millions while hard working rock musicians almost can’t effort going on tour .. why isn’t there the same audience for all musicians !
Deeply respect and love to these struggling acts - hope huge success will land on your shoulders ❤️🔥🎤🎸
Screw everyone that supports DJ's over musicians.
does anyone else in save face do anything? why is one bro doing it all lmao
Hey, curious what did you use for mics for this video? Lav? Shotgun? Combo?
i was using a sony k3m on my a7sii at the time. it had a little shotgun going into one channel for the location sound and then a sennheiser g3 lav on charlie. g3 receiver went into the 2nd channel on the k3m.
@@AndrewKamenMusic thanks!
lotta good drummers here
That first ten seconds reminded me of school of rock 😂
such a good video
A labor of love! You gotta love what your doing because if you broke it down to an hourly wage you'd be sick!
Thats called paying your dues , if you stick with it and become very good the big $ are there waiting. But you have to be smart , not too greedy and be able to take ALOT of BS and sort thru it all in the beginning. If you are truly cut out fot this biz, you will get there.
this is my dream job but we're in a pandemic :/
Hopefully tours start back up in another year or so!
this was sick! i'm on the path to becoming a TM myself. HMU if you ever need a UK rep / TM / assistant. would even be down to just shadow
Interesting video! How did you become a tour manager and what kinda person should you be if you wanted to become a tour manager?
There is no 'one answer' to your question. Often its right place, right time. Maybe fate. Someone who understands all types of people, has patience but also knows when to draw the line and deal with whatever situ needs resolving immediately. You grow into the position. One cant set themselves up to be in management. Its acquired thru years of experience doing other touring positions first. You have to know all the aspects of production in order to understand and control a load in show and load out. You dont learn that in a day or week or two months. Most of the 'instant tour manager' people that got into it cause they were friends with the band etc dont last very long.
@@westrig180 Interesting insights! I heard that you can actually go to uni in Germany to become a tour manager... Sounds like that wouldn't make much sense from what you've said...
superb
u recorded this with iphone camera?
shot it on a sony a7sii
@@AndrewKamenMusic i like that raw format,.., ., .,you guys keep it goin.,.,., this was a nice behind the scenes
You might like this too.. ua-cam.com/video/LksozMrx-ek/v-deo.html
Well that's better than the scene of scrounging through the dumpster out back for a free meal and smoking cigarette butts I was picturing
Dude kind of looks like Davey Havok of AFI fame btw
Amazing hard worker
Fkn cheers to the diehards that make all this pop for the musicians and fans 😂
I miss live shows so much :,,)
Can't wait for them to start back up again. Hoping by summer?
Looks familiar... Is that chain reaction ?
yeah
are you still Indie if you signed a record deal?
more of a reference to the indie genre
Great video
thank you!!
This "save face" guy seems kinda narcissistic
One day you’ll have to find a real job. Probably sooner than you think after hearing this video. Give it up boys.
There's a wide range of touring all with different rates of pay.
Are Shure mics any good?
generally yes
Too bad all these bands blow
Great video