Is LG OLED Really That Bad?
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Is LG OLED Really That Bad?
For years we worshiped at the altar of WOLED displays like the LG C series TVs, yet now I’ve spotted a growing sentiment since the release of QD OLED that WOLED TVs and monitors are “trash” and get destroyed by QD OLED, but is this actually true, or does WOLED still hold value today, well lets pencil dive straight in
Now WOLED as you might imagine stands for white OLED and is named such for the extra white subpixel used in addition to the traditional Red, Green, and Blue you might see in an LCD based display, which may seem strange at face value, but this extra subpixel was key to greatly reducing the risk of burn in on early OLED TVs.
Now today, anti burn in technologies and OLED durability have been greatly improved, but once it was but a foreign concept, hence the aforementioned extra white to reduce strain on red, green, and blue, but then something happened that would make LG clench like never before.
Samsung came busting out of the closet soy facing and jump scared LG with their brand new QD OLED technology which combined OLED with quantum dots and did away with traditional polarizing layers to enhance color volume and overall brightness.
The advantage of Samsung’s new QD OLED technology was that they were able to produce far more color than WOLED which, unfortunately likely due to the extra white subpixel, can struggle with color volume in HDR. Not only that, but WOLED has worse uniformity and even some noticeable vertical banding on gray screens which sometimes can’t be solved even with a manual pixel clean.
QD OLED has no such issues. So with better color and uniformity, and today oftentimes lower prices as well is WOLED done for?
Not necessarily, and here's why.
LG has a far better glossy coating. One of the best things about OLEDs is that MOST of them especially TVs will use a glossy coating to give the best image quality possible, but whoopsie doodle QD OLED because they have ditched a polarizing layer for a Quantum dot layer, seems to have an issue where ambient light may be energizing the QD layer leading to either a magenta or gray tint when presented with even a small amount of ambient light, which can defeat the main purpose of OLED in a bright room, it’s ability to show true black.
LG on the other hand uses an excellent glossy coating on their C series OLED TVs which looks black even in a very bright room, the only issue is that for now all their OLED monitors use a grainy and oily matte coating which greatly harms the image quality, though it sounds like there is a good chance this will change soon.
LG WOLED can get usually get brighter. The S95D QD OLED TV is an exception to this as it may very well be the brightest OLED on the market, but typically WOLED can get brighter, just at the cost of color volume as we discussed previously
LG WOLED typically has more accurate color and gamma tracking for professionals in my experience. Now this almost certainly isn’t always going to be true, and it’s important to eyeball as many reviews as possible for each product you're thinking of throwing hands with, but in my experience, especially on TVs LG tends to do a better job of creating accurate modes for creators and film buffs which I greatly appreciate.
The latest LG WOLED displays are starting to ship with a new RGWB subpixel arrangement which is about as close to a regular RGB layout we've seen on OLE leading to better text and less noticeable chromatic aberration such as red and green lines on the edges of text and objects like we often see on QD OLED which unfortunately uses a triangle arrangement.
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I much prefer WOLED over QD-OLED. tested both, QD gives me headaches and eye strain when looking at details for too long. also, raised blacks are incredible annoying and I don't want to use it in a pitch black room.
This is not QD-OLEDs fault it’s the saturation. Crank up digital vibrancy in nvidia control panel and you’ll see your eyes hurt way more. It goes away over time and is a byproduct of humans perceiving saturation as brighter. This straining your eyes. Even though supposedly QD-OLED is less bright.
@@Savitarax Why am I not getting as much eye strain with WOLED?
@@Savitarax no it's the pixel layout. the chromatic abbreviation caused by it makes reading text very unpleasant. I've no problem on WOLED even if it's matte. text simply looks clearer on there at the same ppi. even if I switch to the sRGB mode which is waaay less saturated, it's the same problem.
edit: and no, it doesn't go away over time. I used my QD for over 3 months, 8h+ a day working on it and gaming. when I switched to the WOLED it was such an immediate relief. I still have the QD as my secondary monitor so I have a good side by side comparison as well. reading text on QD is just awful, no matter the "vibrancy". I just wish WOLED monitors would get the same glossy coating as the LG TVs, that's my only complaint; although matte really isn't that bad as many people claim to be, most never even saw this LG monitor in person...
@@Savitarax both panels appear very similar in saturation in SDR mode, even more so after calibration. what causes eye strain is very simple: the pixel layout that has chromatic abbreviation as a byproduct, especially black text on white background. it's almost not existent on WOLED which is why text clarity is very close to LCD, especially at 140ppi (yes, even with LG using matte coating).
I agree completely, i also suffered eye strain from my s90c and raised blacks are noticeable even in dark room. WOLED is better imo
I own both the lg and Alienware oleds and i gotta say im impressed by the lg, to me it feels a bit brighter and also the darks don't turn magenta and i don't know why but my inputs feel a little more responsive, so far im enjoying the LG. The Alienware sometimes i feel its too oversaturated.
Not related to this video, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Samsung 55" Odyssey Ark for use as an MSFS2020 monitor...
The G4 is a monster😊
Is the matte coating on LG apply to all TVs or just monitors?
Just monitors
Can you please make a video about your opinions on the best options for hybrid photo/video editing and gaming monitors please.
LG Ultragear 39". After a ton of research, that's my final pick and I'm really happy with it. Don't like the 21:9 format? No problem, just switch to 2560x1440 and it suddenly becomes a 32" 16:9 monitor. 240 Hz, amazing response time, amazing colors, blinding HDR and all you'd want from an all-around monitor. Good for productivity, amazing for content consuming. Games in HDR kick hard on this one. It's pricey, but you get what you pay for.
Which year was this done pl ?
Can you make review for SAMSUNG S90c 83 inch is 0 reviews online !
I had a 32GS95UE (sent it back, simply because I realized I want a monitor with USB-C, nothing to do with the panel quality), and I have to say it is really good. If you put WOLED and QD-OLED next to eachother the average person will have a hard time telling them apart. I'm saying this as someone who seen LG G3 and S95C right next to eachother and chose the G3 which I am super happy with 5+ months now. The entire QD-OLED vs WOLED discussion is way blown out of proportions, both of these panel technologies are really good.
I disagree, I had the 32GS95UE and switched to the AW3225QF. Right away the colors in HDR popped compared to the LG. Black crush is awful on LG’s WOLED. Something as simple as a black persons face being distorted due to black crush will be noticed by any user.
Yeah Woled is terrible
I feel like as of recently you’ve changed your content from being a lot of doom and gloom and overly clickbaity, to more fact based, well thought out videos with good humor thrown in.
I appreciate you keeping it real man 🤙
Thanks 🙏
I have never seen any "doom and gloom" in this channel
@@gorofujita5767 I have a bit ago. Or at lest most of it was extreme clickbait to get you to click.
if they fix the ambient light issue with qd-oled technology and the display stays fully black no matter the lighting, then i think it's over for woled
I can’t wait till we get high resolution oleds for productivity use cases. It seems like there is only 4K and below right now
If only LG would sell me a desktop monitor that looks as good as my G3 I would buy it without hesitation. LG really doesn't understand how much people love their glossy coating.
I returned ASUS within 3 days cuz it would strain my eyes like crazy, but picture was so o good. Then I got lg 32 oled, and magic, 000 eye strain even with 100% brightness, even 16 hours of gaming, wow! Mate screen doesn’t let blue light hit ur eyes directly, so I can use it forever😊. With Asus I wanted to vomit in 5 min of gaming.
@@ArseniTecH-vm1fg which Asus did you return? PG32UCDM?
I scored my 55" LG C1 for under $1100 2yrs ago, as it was by far the best bang for buck at the time, and would not trade it for the world. Still holding out for a 32" 4k hdr10 240hz glossy variant for my desk though!
Can't wait for you to review the samsung 360hz g6
Why nobody in youtube don't say about vertical grey banding on oled. I saw it on one 27" monitor. Please make video about this really problem. Dinamic pictures and hdr is good.. but what about rvery day workink of content makers, who works with static gray pictures? Show us 5 and 10 percent gray fill screen on different oled's.
Yes. The stupid white pixel is like a "band-aid" artificial method to increase brightness with the heavy downside of washing out scenes that should be bright colors with just white. Would be cool to see like a true RGB panel from them with just MLA tbh
RGB MLA would be incredible 👏👏👏
I've had a C1 48" for a few years. The coating is beautiful and blacks stay black under any lighting condition.
There was a benefit to WOLED over QDoled but I can’t remember what it was. Was it better whites?
Oh yeah maybe that’s what it was better text
i just want to add that the matt coating problem is really overstated. if you doubt yourself please go to a store to see for yourself if you find it problematic
Glossy LG OLED is the only thing worth even considering in my opinion. Samsungs main drawback is their failure in even a small ambient amount of light.
I used both WOLED and QD-OLED and the truth is they are both great and I dont really notice a difference.
Is the Matt, really that noticeable? Tbf the matt cover is the only reason why i didnt order the LG one yet
@@vmayuri1702 if you haven't used a glossy panel you won't notice. But once you try a glossy QD OLED panel it's easy to see the difference.
Text is the issue on woled
@@Insertnamehere3000 Funny that you say that when the subpixel layout on the new LG WOLEDs actually makes text better than on QD-OLEDs in my opinion.
I have both too WOLED and QD OLED. I like both technologies😊😊
I had the 32GS95UE and returned it due to the awful crushed blacks with the latest firmware. Never touching WOLED again. Switched to the AW3225QF and those same scenes showed much more details in those dark scenes. The colors in HDR looked amazing on QD-OLED compared to LG’s WOLED.
I got the dual mode 480hz and I love it. I’m coming from a 240hz 1440p omen monitor
How’s the quality on the 480hz mode
@@chai817 Honestly, if you turn up the sharpening, it doesn’t look half bad. I’ve played multiple games and it’s hit or miss. Call of duty is fine, Apex is a little more rough, but Frag Punk and valorant are perfectly fine
If LG makes a glossy coating for the OLED Monitor line-UP like they use on the C-Series WOLED would be almost a no brainer.
The raised blacks with ambient light sucks, but qd-oled can ultimately achieve the best picture, so i prefer it.
I have lg woled, and I use one cuz qd oled gave me severe eye strain and headache. Lg had matte that dissipate light evenly for human eye. You lose like 15% sharpness, but for work is not an issue. Without matte you guys will get instant eye strain. Pixel cleaning is AUTO. also g gsync must be used with 100% brightness or you get some headache. Game quality is the same as qd oled. But qd oled 32 inch is sharp as Mac book pro. It’s ASUS oled text is RAZER SHARP, IF YOU GET ONE MAKE SURE DISABLE GSYNC or you will get instant eye strain😊
To be honest the 32GS95UE/X is not that bad but yes colors are better on any QD-OLED. I just can not get over the bad coating applied to them. That "glossy" coating is just so flimsy not useable for everyday use. But apart from that QD-OLED is better apart from VRR Flicker.
I have the 32GS95UE, love the Matte screen :)
Not a fan of QD oleds due to their off white appearance when it’s supposed to be white and the over color saturation. If you’re looking for over saturation than you want QD if you’re looking for accurate colors than go with WOLED
AW2725DF or XG27AQDMG?
Both are good though arguably Alienware is better because of insane 360hz refresh rate. If the price is the same get Alienware if Asus sells considerably cheaper get that instead.
Woled is lower brightness in any other scenarios minus white screen. qd oled has higher brightness when there are colors, woled brightness plumets in real life scenario.
Yes so qd oled is actually 3-4 times brighter
Not at all, turn gsync and hdr and you get sustained 600 nits brightness, have have both, and they look about the same
I think that while it would be better for the image to get rid of the white subpixel, it is still neccessary to prevent burn in. QD Oleds burn in is still a thing. Look at Tim video from hardware unboxed and Rtings testing. Oled tech is still not durable enough to get rid of the white subpixel in my opinión. Just do some research and you'll see people with CX and C1 still rocking their screens without any burn in after several years
Seeing a glossy Woled (lg c2), a matte Woled and a glossy QD OLED, I have to say the following. The QD oled is NOT glossy. Semi glossy, maybe. It is nowhere near anywhere close to the LG C2, which is a mirror. The QD oled feels like a glass, not a mirror. The matte LG Woled isn't matte either, it's kinda semi matte. You can see the matte issues if you pixel peep or sit really close to it, like ~30 cms. Yes, it's obvious. But nobody sits 30 cms away. From further away, you can' tell sh***t unless on a full white screen. And now to put thing into perspective, the freaking QD Oled cannot for the life of it display BLACK. You have to turn off every freaking light. At this point it seems that even an RGB keyboard affects it's black levels. Yes, I'd prefer a glossy woled over a matte woled, but I also prefer a matte woled over the gray QD oled.
Lmao RGb keyboards do not affect the panel and no it’s not semi matte it’s completely glossy. Turn off the lights it’s a oled it’s not impressive unless the lights are off
even an RGB keyboard affects it's black levels-----> lying gets you what exactly???
The guy's got a point. Perhaps that's an exaggeration, but an OLED should not be so sensible to light to the point where it struggles to convey true black. That kind of defeats the very purpose of OLED. And no, lights don't have to come off to nail the perfect black. I have a matte finished LG WOLED and I can confidently open my window and still have an amazing experience. You look at the thing and the blacks are so deep, you don't even know what to think.
LG is WAY more reliable than Samsung, that alone is enough even if they aren't qdoled.
QD-OLED is way better in colour reproduction, that isn't even considering the cost reduction
@@GGP337 Doesn't matter if your Samsung is broken in less than a year like most peoples...
@@drunkhusband6257 monitor has 3 year warranty, I don't want people to spend money on an inferior product and to enjoy a QD-Oled monitor as much as I have
@@drunkhusband6257most people my ass. I’ve had worst issues with lg than my Samsungs.
i like your sense of humour :)
your cats are amazing
Yes! Someone should have said that xD
I just bought the Sony A80L with LG WOLED panel and it's great even though i saw the Sony A95L besides with QDOLED, the price increase is just not worth it in my opinion. Just buy a display with LG OLED it's fine.
atleast woled doesnt hurt your eyes like qd-oled that emits way to much blue light
It’s not blue light, it’s saturation. Blue light was a huge myth for years that it hurts your eyes.
Just try cranking up digital vibrancy and you’ll see what I mean.
Even if you turn on “blue light filter modes” on monitors.
If the colors are still very saturated it will still hurt.
@@Savitarax this doesn't matter in this comparison. both QD and WOLED look great in SDR, the difference in saturation is absolutely minimal, even less so after calibration. it takes a higher brightness where QD starts to overshadow WOLED in terms of color saturation, but that's not the mode most people use the monitor for when reading text etc. pixel layout is what causes the eye strain, because there is a green and purple tint on text that is very irritating (QD). not really an issue on these current gen RGWB layout used on WOLEDs and thats why text clarity it's nearly identical to LCDs with same ppi.
@@patrikmedia colour saturation is a big difference imo, colours exist on my monitor that don't exist on my c2, especially reds.
@@GGP337 the C2 uses an older gen panel compared to this LG monitor and it can vary A LOT depending on what preset you use. calibrated both QD and WOLED look pretty much identical. it's only the extremes where you start noticing differences (higher brightness 200+ nits, wide gamuts, etc)
My Alienware 27" qd-oled doesn't hurt eyes one bit. Genetic failures with trash eyes and low T are the ones at risk.
Let's put it this way: You hate matte finishing, I hate glossy finishing. Give or take.
2:17 woopsidoodle
You have a lion cub on your entertainment system.
just test new g6 g8 oled new monitors and compare ...
yep I'd be super stoked to see a close up comparison of QD-OLED glossy vs matte and how that affects clarity. currently it's hard to compare with WOLED since current gen we only have matte as an option, these is no glossy version available that uses the same panel/ppi
@@patrikmedia It's also a shame only Asus & LG use the panels, there are no other brands (as far as i know) that use them. For the 32-inch 4K models the Asus is not in stock over here (the Netherlands), it's a disaster. So i can only choose LG, or LG ;-) They also took a wrong turn with that fan. But i am still on the WOLED side personally.
@@cyberneticorganism. there are other models but in the Asian markets. and the Asus you're referring to didn't even release yet, there are no reviews on UA-cam either. might have mistaken it with the QD version Asus. The dual mode one using this LG panel is only available in LGs monitor right now, like you said. also, no idea when the Asus version will launch... there's also a 1440p 480hz one releasing this summer, but still no clue when actually. seems like they postponed the launch for both models.
EDIT: maybe (but very unlikely) they saw community feedback and switched over to glossy coating, same as that recent 1440p 240hz WOLED relaunch. would be great, even tho that coating is worse than what they use on LG tvs.
@@patrikmedia Ah yeah you are right, i was referring to the PG32UCDM, but that's an QD-OLED. It's the PG34WCDM that is WOLED. I am only interested myself in the 4K 32-inch, or Ultrawide 34-inch (WOLED). Or 5K20 Ultrawides next year... I am fine with matt coating i think so. Only i do like the design of Asus a lot, and the passive cooling as well.
@@cyberneticorganism. I personally like Asus for their features but dislike the design unfortunately lol I'm sure their version will be the better compared to LG, but curious to see how the pricing will be. Got mine fairly cheap, not expecting the Asus to less for anything below 1.4-1.5k usd tbh
With perfect contrast/motion and good enough brightness on both. The only thing left is COLOR. Which QD-OLED takes easily.
You forgot about the lack of polarizer on the qd OLED, woled has way better contrast in anything but a pitch black room, then it’s equal, which is the main point of OLED
@@ameliabuns4058 it just has to be a room with no DIRECT light shining on the display. I have a room with a warm bright light directly above but ever so slightly behind the QD-oled i have and it's PITCH black like my LG. The lack of a polarizer only matters when the light directly interferes with the pixels not indirectly.
@@ameliabuns4058I went back to Woled for this very reason. Colors are nice but lifted blacks are an absolute no go.
I'll stay with my C3 42inch hell yhea
Bro that LG 4K oled is 🔥 y’all gotta stop the shaming you can’t lose with no OLED period.!
ask them, all i can say w my phone and laptop its far from what i saw
me when I bought my monitor yesterday
32GS95UE
I'll never buy a QD-OLED panel. Those raised black levels with ambient light looks like crap. WOLED FTW
I will never buy a non-glossy (lg c2 or c1) type look. Matte is horrible.
My lg c1 was awesome. Glossy woled
Don't use woleds because the have the dirty gray issue. Ie artefacts are present when it displays gray or darker shades. Super obvious if u use windows dark mode.
thats the coatings fault not WOLED. LG TVs don't have that grainy appearance on dark solid shades of color.
@@patrikmedia nope, it is not because of the coating, u literally see darker horizontal lines then the gray/dark shades as if u see "scan lines" of a crt, but thicker.
@@Pillokun no you dont, the matte LG has some grain to it (randomized, feels like a texture) meanwhile an LG TV looks very clean which uses glossy. idk what panel you look at but neither of those two have scan lines.
@@patrikmedia the dirty gray issue is caused by the woled panels itself not he coating. On my lg and asus both were displaying artefacts like horizontal lines, they both went back to the store. Funny is nobody talked about the dirty gray issue and I only saw the issue when I was reading other peoples review of the monitors on the entailers review section to the monitors
the issues seems to be voltage related according to some people and has nothing to do with the matte coating.
when a monitor reviewer had a Premier and was in the chat I brought it up with him, and his defence was, va has dirty gray issues too so I dont focus that much on it. Connor, does not even bring it up at all, and Tim mentioned it max three times in a very passing by manner so to speak.
Reviewers are as always full of bs, either they focus on wrong issues or just want to sell so to speak.
@@Pillokun idk man, my WOLED tv looks just as clear as QD with glossy coating. that grainy look only is visible on the matte LG WOLED. just reporting what I see in front of my eyes right now.
The matte coating is great if you do both office work and gaming. Text clarity is better.
Hardware antialiasing
Cope
@5ean5ean22 sounds like you're the one coping friend, as you got triggered off his comment
Some wonky claims here. Samsung first OLED prototype is from 2007. So in terms of development Samsung wasn't late to the party, they just failed to compete with LG. QD-OLED didn't came as a surprise, it took many many years of development...
What are u talking about?😂
Really 🤣🤣 I love my LG OLED
The biggest problem with the "Woled" white pixel is chrominance overshoot. It causes banding in dark scenes. My 27GR95QE has it everywhere. Its so bad im returning it. Also vertical banding is very bad. The VRR flicker is bad as well on the 27GR95QE.
So bascialy in dark games like RE4, you see vertical banding, dark color banding and vrr flickering at the same time.
how does WOLEDS best and exclusive feature, Dual Hz not even make the list of positives but doesnt even get a mention? This channel is so mid its laughable.
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Oled sucks, wether it's LG, Asus or something else. Burning is the redflag.
Burning is definitely a red flag, some might even consider it dangerous. Burn in on the other hand is handled very well by most OLED’s, especially on LG’s.