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I was about to say this feels expensive but turns out no 8840u laptop is cheaper than this. Only Intel laptops are cheaper which could have better graphics perf than this generation of AMD iGPU
Hey Linus, for any product that has a pen, or even a touch screen, it would be really nice if you tested it with a few standard active pens to see which technology it uses: - Microsoft Pen Protocol (a.k.a N-trig): used by Surface devices and many consumer grade Windows laptops and tablets. - Wacom AES: used by business grade laptops and tablets such as Thinkpads and Latitudes. - Wacom EMR: used by older tablet PCs and the Galaxy Note series. (likely more such as Apple's pencil) This entire product field is terribly documented. Even the most detailed spec sheets usually don't mention which tech they used when it comes to pen support. Some touchscreen products don't list pen support at all though the panel they used supports it and is functional. Having this tested in unboxings and listed in LTT Labs specs would be insanely helpful for those shopping for active pen enabled devices. In the case of this specific tablet, having this info available would give the user the option to shop for a cheaper compatible active pen instead of having to buy the Manufacturer's official one for $100.
Just a quick FYI: According to the product page: "The active capacitive stylus supports MPP2.0 protocol", I assume that would be "Microsoft Pen Protocol 2.0". Since that is what the stylus uses, I would think that's also what the screen supports.
Agreed, I sometimes have to do a lot of research to discover, This one is MPP, and it sucks for drawing (only the new surface devices, from 8 on, with a slim pen 2, are decent). Fortunately Samsung is using EMR in all their devices, tablets and laptops, using a S pen.
As of now, the 32gb + 1TB version is priced at $999 but is sold out unfortunately. The 16gb + 1TB version is available at $939. The magnetic keyboard is $149 so the total cost will be $1,088. Honestly it's a fair price, especially the 32gb version.
I got mine for the $1200 asking price and coming from numerous Surface Pros in the past, this thing is absolutely worth it. I mostly use it for work but occasionally I like to game on the go and my Surface Pro 8 could barely handle anything I throw at it. The V3 handles everything I throw at it.
@@Jonvon65what's your thoughts on the new arm suface devices. they are very impressive for battery life on native applications and absolutely way better than intel in aspect and efficiency
If they weren't obsessed with slim design they would have given it enough battery to last more than 1 hour while gaming...on a gaming tablet. People confuse BEING thin with OBSESSED with being thin. 15 hours of battery life at 6mm thick is still better than 5 hours at 10mm thick.
@Devil_Himself I compared the 5 hours of non-gaming to the 15 hours of non-gaming on the ipad. Sorry for the confusion. Comparing the gaming battery life is kinda pointless, as the iPad isn't a "gaming tablet", and there is no "gaming" device on the market that lasts less than an hour.
2:30 "It doesn't have the thinnest bezels" GOOD. Tablets SHOULD HAVE DECENTLY BIG BEZELS. Makes them so much easier to handle when you can easily pinch them by the side without worrying about inputs.
I actually really miss my iPad 2 (ancient) for this reason. I have the iPad Air M1 version now and I ended up buying a giant case just so I can hold the damn thing.
I’ve been saying for years that every company should be forced to use “vlink” equivalent for every device with a screen that preserves not the picture but any touch capability. Or, at the very least, provide an open source “bash kit” that allows the screen to be removed from the original housing and put into a 3D printed casing with a workable control board. Surface studio could be turned into a monitor for a machine that’s not anemic. An iPad as a second screen for my PC.
Its criminal that the surface studio isnt just... well a Monitor. This weak ass computer is terrible but the screen and hardware itself is so amazing, such a unique screen for design stuff... well with obsolete compute hardware. Like even my surface go would be so nice as a small drawing tablet if I just could connect the damn screen to my actually good pc
@@yensteel Its not only a great idea for obolete devices. I wish my last gen Ipad Pro (which is defenitly NOT obsolete yet) would be able to be used as a normal battery powered Monitor. Its a shame Apple.
Edit: My bad, I mixed it up with EU prices (currently 989€ & 1119€) US$999 is for the 32 GB memory version, US$939 for the 16GB. The price difference is much smaller in the US.
Sounds good, but just an APU disappoints me at that price unless someone can explain to me why that is. There have been thinner gaming laptops with a lower price and a dGPU, while i think making it a bit thicker for cooling+being a tablet would be better at that price.
For anybody wanted to use their windows tablet as a secondary monitor: Plug your thunderbolt cables if you have, or USB4 cables together, this will create a virtual network bridge. Use Moonlight to stream through that bridge. In this way you can have it as your secondary display with extremely low latency, besides 120hz. My surface can display 2880x1920 at 120hz and there's no drop-out or lag or anything.
Tbh, I love having Linus doing ShortCircuit videos. It felt like there was a time when he was doing a lot of work as CEO so he didn't really have time for them, but he's a super entertaining host for this kind of content, especially when checking out really gimmicky and/or niche electronics.
Krita spotted! Too bad that wasn't a good brush to test it, just a pencil. I found that it is using the MPP 2.0 protocol, as I thought. It's not bad but it's hard to compete with how well Wacom's implementation works (from what I've seen reviewers say).
The screen actually supports MPP 2.6, but the included pen is MPP 2.0. You can purchase an MPP 2.6 compatible pen separately.Of course, this still cannot compare to an EMR pen.
@@Ehren1337 Yes, you can change the pen sensitivity curve or individual settings for each brush. The testing I've seen is for pressure levels, straight lines, smoothness, tilt. As I remember, in some cases at low sensitivity MPP pens don't show consistently straight lines. But it's probably not noticeable, just details to consider.
As a student who also works in an office doing autocad this tablet pc was a blessing in disguise. This tablet with its specifications should run autocad for a good couple of hours and it's for use on the go. Can also connect to Hotspot should I need it. Also I am the type of person who has just enough adhd to not be able to study in one place for a long time so being able to have a windows tablet like this since I'm studying programming at the same time is more comfortable to use versus a full blown laptop. I sure amd processing and efficiency continues to get better for even better battery life.
I have been rocking an Asus ROG Flow x13 (2023) for about a year now. When you say that the Minisforum V3 is competing in a niche market you are not wrong. When I bought this 2-in-1 last year there were about 3 reasonable options on the market. The Flow x13, the Flow z13, and the Surface Laptop Studio 2 (which hadn't actually released but was starting to have benchmarks leak.) While I would have loved to go with a true tablet instead of the 2-in-1. Realistically the performance difference and the awkward top heavy design of Tablet+Keyboard made the z13 a non starter and thus I ended up with my current daily driver. I really like the look of this but I fear that the market for people who are both in need of a portable windows computer capable of transforming between a drawing tablet (most artists I know have moved to iPad) AND a gaming computer, may literally just be me, and I already bought my computer for the next few years lol.
Yes! I was looking for someone to mention this, I have been running the flow Z13 13900h 4060 edition and it's been amazing for gaming and editing videos. I use the tablet basically as a kind of all-in-one portable desktop, since I use my own separate keyboard and mouse almost always. But you're right about this segment of products being super niche, there really isn't a competing option at all for a powerful transformable windows machine. The closest option for the tablet form factor was the surface pro, and that thing is grossly underpowered compared to the Z13.
These tablet PCs are such a tease, so close to the AMD/Intel smartphone I dream of. I don’t care that it won’t have the performance of an ARM smartphone or a handheld PC, the advantages would outweigh that. And I doubt it would lag far behind.
@@fix0the0spade Yeah, and while removing that over the course of three hours, you won't get all of it off, you'll scrape the plastic to shit and it'll end up looking horrible anyway. I avoid these coatings like the plague. Especially that I seem to have toxic hands that turn it goopy after two years.
I forgot to say that whenever you want to test something in a drawing or art space, you should have Maria do it. She did it twice, and both times, her input was extremely helpful.
It's honestly not *that* expensive, or should I rather say overpriced. Just compare it to any Surface Pro (leaving out the new Snapdragon one for now). It's way better in every way, more versatile, comes with all the accessories MS charges you extra for and is still cheaper. Seriously the best Windows tablet out there imho. I do hope they're refreshing this to Strix Point eventually, because that'd be an instant buy for me!
@@dzibanart8521 It very well might and certainly does so for gaming. I'd left the Snapdragon out because as of now, there's still very limited data as to how it actually performs. Battery life for example seems to be pretty good, but how much of that comes from Windows on ARM being better optimized for one single SoC or from actual SoC efficiency remains to be seen. There's just too many unknowns with the Snapdragon X to really draw any conclusions.
Oh, I've been eyeing this one for a while. I just wish it had an OLED Display and an easy option to upgrade storage. The maximum capacity of 1TB is nice and they say it's M.2, but there's barely any info on how to open the device let alone what type of SSD is in it (2880/2442/etc.). There are sources for it now, but I'd have hoped to get an "internals coverage". The price is a tad steep, but at least you can get 32GB RAM versions with AMD and all in a decently big screen. I hope it's enough for them to make a version 2 down the line.
32gb 6400mhz ram,1tb nvme, keyboard, pen, screen protector and a heavy duty sleeve for 1200... Price up a surface pro with similar specs and let me know. I have a surface pro 8 and a legion go. This replaces both. What is not mentioned in this video is the Linux compatibility. While not 100%, i have been running bazzite on my v3 for the last month. on screen keyboard is wonky but probably a bazzite problem. Other than that everything is working perfectly. Games play perfectly, everything works as expeced, finger print scanner and all. I am loving the fact I no longer have microsoft selling my info and its fun to finally learn linux.
I have one, running Linux on it. Can confirm, is an amazing Fedora machine. Although it shipped with a defect and their support is iffy. Overall, I love the device though.
I would love to see more big screen devices like tablets and laptops support video in. It would be a great option to have them double as a screen for my Steam Deck or Switch.
It does fine for scanning documents as well. Its an "okay" camera for the kind of thing you'd ever use one on a tablet for anyways and Im glad it has a rear camera. Its just easy to smudge on the corner there (as I suspect Linus may have done) and it catches glare pretty bad with lights shining right at it.
@@UltimateAK86 I wish including even a crappy camera was more universal. Had a pain in the ass time setting up an ROG Ally because I had to log into my password manager by touch-screen typing the entire extremely long key instead of just snapping the QR code since there isn't a camera anywhere on it.
I love mine. I've been running everything on it. Speakers and screen color calibrate up excellently. The trackpad and rear hinge break in nicely. Even coming from an iPad Pro 12" and SteamDeck, I Highly recommend the V3 to anyone looking for an amazing tablet that can do it all in a thin and light form factor for about half the price of a Surface tablet.
@@johnmiranda4587 On mine, running Outlook, Word, Excel, Chrome open with 10 tabs, Edge 10 tabs one forefront and looping a 1440 UA-cam video, WiFi on, Bluetooth off, screen at 50% , 60Hz refresh came in at about 6 hours. I'm going to play around with apps like RyzanAdj to see what the lowest and highest practical power usage is and see how that affects power life
@@johnmiranda4587 Its decent for what I use it for. I usually get around 3-4 hours just with youtube and browsing between charges, battery saver mode and 75% screen brightness, 15W TDP. When in high performance 28W mode and full screen brightness gaming I get about an hour and a half on a AAA game, longer for 2D games.
I’ve never seen V-Link before, however, I love that I can use my iPad with my MacBook as a second display to get more use out of it. It’s nice seeing Minisforum create their own version of that!
I got one of these about a month ago now. I am the particular customer, though I don't think that particular. I just use it like a computer. At home, I plug it into a dock, it does dual display just fine, normal accessories, it's just a PC. I have another dock if I want to plug it into my TV. You can game on it on either. You can use it portably for work like you would any Windows laptop. It's benefit is simple: it's a tablet and it's got full Windows on it and you can literally just plug it into monitors. It's replacing my old home PC and if I need to take it with me, I do.
I actually think that this would be a serious option for my next device. I like the 2-in-1 tablet style for annotating documents at work, the keyboard not being insanely amazing isnt a problem as I only need it for meetings, and it would live on a dock most of my work day so battery life isnt super important. The display anti-glare is good for office lights and the CPU would be more than enough for Autocad, Visio and Excel
Im curious how this would handle something like Blender, this seems like a nice choice for someone who wants to do art but also do sculpting in there or zbrush etc!
i love how they have designed it in such a way that it can last many more years even after its useful life, being used as a secondary display is such a cool way of making sure this device serves its owner long after its useful life as a PC and significantly extends the life of the product creating less e-waste, we need more of this.
a Samsung Galaxy Book 4 Pro 360 is on sale for $1500, with a 16" (fragile!) screen, and uses Wacom's old tech (but silky) as their S-Pen. I used several other PC tablets and Surface Pros for portable drawing and light gaming so I can see the niche they're aiming for. i just don't know about the pen.
This is definitely a step in the right direction. A solid windows tablet with some horsepower and pen functionality. The price seems good to me for all the features it has, if you're attempting to compare it to something like the OneX player, or an iPad. Would be a better comparison to something like a Wacom Cintiq Pro, since those can get even more expensive depending on the size.
@@gregor2436 false, the shown example of Krita is one, FireAlpaca is supported too. But I'm not aware of many others so if those don't suit your preference, that's unfortunate.
@@gregor2436 Krita and all the Android apps via Waydroid. But true, if drawing is the main focus, then an iPad is probably a better choice. I am looking for a Thin x86 Tablet with similar performance to this thing or High-end Samsung Apple Tablets. Huawei Matebook E 2022 was something like this, but underpowered and with poor battery life.
Ngl looks pretty promising. Now just make a OLED version (which yes, will impact batterylife) but In my opinion is worth it. I asume you could get more battery life out of it with a power saver plan. All in all not that bad of product. The front camera is totally fine, Linuuus but the mic could use some love. The back camera is... well Not great, but lets be honest, who uses that anyway. I mean it's better than nothing i guess. Maybe improve the keyboard a little, or just use an external one. You just need a dongle. Last but not least, the ability to use it as a screen is a Big Win in my book. That just extends the usability of the device a lot i'd imagine!
It’s only 1 hour of gaming plus you gotta carry around an extra controller. I get it’s meant to do everything but getting something that great at one thing is better. For example you could get a used iPad Pro and a steam deck Oled for this price. The iPad gives you a mini led tablet with hdr and 10 hours of battery life and steam deck Oled gives u Oled and 3-3.5 h of battery on every game. The portable monitor function seems useful but there is no osd so u can’t control sound. I would just wait for second or third generation of this product or go with a used ASUS flow z13 with a 4050.
That ASUS flow z13 is a similar tablet but with massive performance improvement with the same battery life as this. You can’t have the portable monitor feature but I saw them used for 1000$.
@@shazzi1626 For me this replaced the need to pack a Windows laptop and my OLED SteamDeck when I travel. Now I just bring the V3 and save space, and it plays more games and movies at higher performance on a bigger screen than the Deck and provides all of what I needed my Windows PC for while allowing extended pen functionality. With low demand games and movies, battery life is about ~3Hrs in 60Hz refresh 15W TDP mode with Radeon settings locking game performance to 30FPS, medium screen brightness. Just watching UA-cam with battery saver on you will get around 5 Hrs on a full charge.
@@shazzi1626 quality control concerns with the flow series, especially the z13. honestly dont know how much better the v3 will be tbh, ive heard minisforum customer service is absolutely atrocious
Yea that's the only gripe I have with mine as well. Also coming from a Surface Pro, the keyboard leaves a little to be desired but it's still way better than I thought it would be. Other than that it's quite stellar!
@@Jonvon65 I don't have any other tablet keyboard to compare to, so it's fine for me. But a little too flexible in the middle. Sadly, with all the accessories, it's as heavy as a standard laptop. :(
@@johnmiranda4587 I haven't really done any endurance tests. Coming form a Surface Pro 8 it feels about the same. I can play some intensive games for about 1.5-2 hours before it's drops down to battery saver mode. Doing light work and browsing the web I get a good amount of screen on time, probably around 6-7 hours but I haven't used it for that length of time all at once. Something to note though is I have it hard locked into 28w mode which is great for performance, but hard on the battery. Another thing to note is that this tablet will happily charge on any PD charging device without complaint or reverting to a power saving mode like most laptops would.
@@baltmatrix Yea it's definitely chunky, especially since the hinge cover is practically mandatory. But when it's just the tablet, it feels quite nice.
@@tschorsch I hope its a big success for MinisForum. Its a great device and a new segment for them. For their first model in this market they hit it out of the park considering who their main competitors are in this space (Apple and Microsoft).
I almost bought one but changed my mind. Got a laptop with same processor for less. I really liked the accessories it came with when you did an early purchase because it came with a case and screen protector as well as the pen so everything you would need.
if companies actually started prioritizing functionality over stupid qualities like "thinness" I think the whole tablet market as a whole would be massive and infinitely better
This is actually sick, especially with the monitor functionality!! The only issue I see is that you may be using it more as a portable monitor with a gaming PC built into it versus a gaming tablet. it depends what games you play though but that’s part of the problem is the fact that not too many PC games have proper touch support some of them do but it’s pretty hit and miss. Edit: omg using this for a Nintendo switch or like PS5 while idk laying in bed or on vacation with like a tablet stand would be amazing 😂….. Also like the target audience isn’t the iPad. Lmao iPads are able to game in iOS games and it’s really amazing these days but this is much different and I think if you are an artist you would prolly be better getting the iPad or a Wacom tablet. But for gaming or other things related to needing a portable windows tablet or pc in general this is really cool and not all that over priced being that there’s a full size monitor in there that can be used as a portable display. I also like how you all pulled the 32gb model price and don’t even mention the lower tier model 😂 that many people would be likely to get if they are on a budget cuz 16gb is enough for this kind of device.
I've had the v3 for about 5 months now. I love it. It has played every game I've thrown at it so far. Of course we must play with the settings but it's a very good combination for work and play
@@gilangwahyu4450 whatever you like since it's all tuned in. If you wanted an app-icon based distribution you could just force the app menu to be the default "home" I'm using Edubuntu on a second hand Surface tablet, works fine
I am a target market of this product.... As someone who does iOS mobile dev and delphi desktop apps, this thing is amazing... I can use it as an external display on my macbook as well
the ipad pro with keyboard and pencil and 1tb storage is $2377 and still can't run desktop applications i don't know why you brought it up, it's not even remotely comparable,
I absolutely love the idea of a tablet PC that can also be my portable monitor. Imagine a version of this coming with Lunar Lake since that likes to live in an even lower TDP range.
linus review miniforum’s mini pcs all in a single video. I just got a HX99G and love it so far would love to see how it compares to it other products or others in the market such as the ROG NUC
I'm loving the versatility. This could be your device for everything say if you're a design student who games. You can draw edit videos and play games all in a small form factor.
The full fat is just so it will make it a whole hour while performing it's advertised purpose lol I'll take thin for 15-20 hours over fat for 1-5 any day. And the fact it won't run at the same TDP as a Steam Deck without being plugged into a wall is absurd. It made huge compromises in every category just so it could be the same form factor as an iPad with a different advertised purpose.
@@rmp5s The surface pros run for a full day pretty reliably anyway. I mean they are not gaming devices but they do decent and they do have good batteries. As good as an ipad? no...but certainly 7-10 is normal for me.
I know this is more of a first look/unboxing video but there are a lot of settings in the Bios worth going over. I set the dedicated Vram in mine to 8 GB instead of the default 2 GB, and it still leaves me with 24 GB of Ram but with a nice boost in performance for graphically Intensive games.
You can also turn on Performance mode in the BIOS to boost it a bit more and lock your battery charge to 80% max to extend its service life considerably (if that matters to you).
@@ollie9506 I've only played two games on it, Helldivers 2 and Destroy all Humans 2 remake and it plays them both great. I don't own Cyberpunk but there plenty of other reviews where they run it on the tablet and it does well on low settings. For gaming on the go it's great, but I don't play games on it as much as I would like to due to my phone Hotspot being an unreliable connection.
@@ChrisValin-w6o obviously 32 gigs of ram lol. I don't even think anyone makes devices with that little storage anymore. $999 for 32gb ram and 1tb storage
Been using my original Galaxy Book 12 for SEVERAL years now. I haven't really felt the need to upgrade until this last year and I think this video made me a believer. Has the power and the form factor I want. I'm in.
Man, the Surface 11 starts at 999, although admittedly without the accessories, and I have to say, the shaved weight and more than twice the battery life is... hard to argue with. Sure, you're not going to be playing Forza on it, but there are a ton of good gaming handhelds with this exact spec now for that. And if you don't care about weight and battery, ASUS makes a tablet in this form factor that is thicker and heavier... but it has a discrete GPU, ranging from a 3050 all the way up to a 4070. I think this is cool, it's just in an awkward middle ground that doesn't seem to make a ton of sense. I hope they try again when the hardware options for the APU are in a more interesting place.
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As a long time surface user, the accesories are a long term investment. I still use my Pro 3 keyborard cover with my SP7. So I'm confident that the new system will exist for a long time too. With this Minisforum one I'm not so sure about it.
@@nicoloserri6071 Sure? I mean, yeah, they chose to keep the 32 Gb option for the top tier, which also has the OLED panel and the faster CPU, their offerings don't match 1 to 1. And yes, even on the cheap one you do need to buy the pen and keyboard separately, and in the Apple spirit they overcharge for those a LOT, good on both Asus and Minisforum for including those, although the other commenter is right that if you upgrade within the line they do a good job of keeping backwards compatibility, which also makes it easier to buy third party alternatives, especially for the pen. But you're missing the point, I think. The idea is this thing is like one of the handhelds wit the same APU but in a tablet, but it's a bit more expensive and it doesn't use the extra space very well. So if you want a gaming device in a tablet format you may as well explore the ASUS Flow series for the same price and if you want a good tablet the Surface Pro 11 is much, much better at being that. I love the concept, I'm absolutely a Windows tablet guy, but at the moment nobody is doing that concept without at least some compromises. I really hope somebody nails a best of both worlds device at some point, though, it's a super intriguing space.
And once you have a few of the accessories about, it's easy to hit swappa and buy a few years old device for pretty reasonable... Which is why we have 6 SP6 and a SP4, and 3 pens, a few keyboard, a bridge keyboard, and 3 docks scattered around the house. They are damn slick (You just pay $$ for the slickness)
@@brwetide Yeah, my Surface hand-me-downs are the tablet solution for my whole family by now. The problem is with the Pro 11 being so good as a tablet the gap between a Windows tablet for tablet stuff and a gaming device is now so huge. If you're giving up on the snappy video, the battery life, the weight, the OLED screen, the good speakers, the fast Windows Hello, the mobile-like power management... you may as well get a more powerful thing instead. Otherwise you can just get an entry level Surface and an entry level Steam Deck and have a better experience in both applications.
Was watching this on a Microsoft Surface Pro 4, looks like this would be a really nice upgrade. Bought the surface used on vacation in Japan and the more I use it the more I like the form factor. We don't have the pen but no real need for it either but it would be fun to try, replacement ones cost as much as we paid for the Surface so not that tempted to buy one.
You can work with all kinds of 3d software with this V3, with an ipad pro or not, you still can't. €2500 and not all software is compatible. A surface doesn't give you this much for its price. The V3 is the one i was looking for.
This sounds like what I hoped the ASUS ROG Z tablet I bought would be but that thing was just a power hog that got way too hot to where the display port would stop being able to drive two displays on it due to heat... and if that doesn't make much sense on a thunderbolt port.... you're not alone. That thing took 6 hours to overheat and often did.
I picked one up while it was on presale and I love it. It's meant to compete with products like the Microsoft Surface. It has more power and gaming chops than the surface line and costs significantly less, as this comes with the keyboard but the Surface line doesn't. And while the new ARM-equipped Surface units have great battery life, they can't really game because the emulation layer they use to try to run non-ARM apps and games is STRUGGLING. (Lots of reviews out that talk about that.)
That pen functionality would justify the high cost for those type of devices, given the apparent sensitivity, it's hard to find a good PC tablet that you can sculpt in Zbrush, or paint in Photoshop/Substance painter with. The wacom studio pro I have been using cost about 2.5x that (the wacom studio also can be turned into a monitor as well).
Make one with no more than 11" and USB4/Thunderbolt and under 999 and I may consider it, Otherwise it makes no sense with the legion Go going for 800. I might get the v2, hope it is a little bit thinner.
I read the title and expected it to be like 3cm thick. this is still thin, just not absurdly thin. if they'd made it 3-5mm thicker the battery could have been WAY bigger.
If you ever priced a Microsoft surface pro laptop you would be thanking god almighty for such a low price! Also, the price has dropped to $999 including keyboard, 32G RAM, 1TB flash ...
Right now I'm torn between this and the AMD version of the Onexplayer X1. Would love to see a detailed comparison from someone who actually owns both and has been using them for some time. This 2 or 3-in-1 functionality (laptop, tablet, handheld) seems attractive for my main use case which combines handwriting/touch, gaming, and productivity. Would also love to see more detailed input on the cameras and pens. So far, I haven't really seen a lot of reviews comparing these 2 options though.
It's not a gaming power house. Put it this way: It can play FFXIV on 1920 x 1080 and it looks perfectly fine, completely playable but not on the highest settings. Path of Exile 2 is the new hot thing, and you can play that too, but not at an acceptable level to a real gamer. If you're looking to play anything 5+ years old? Absolutely. 3+ years old? Maybe. New? Not really. Everything else works as perfectly as you probably expect.
@shukuffxi I see. I don't have a lot of time to play so I don't mind not being able to play the latest games right away (I also still have around a thousand games in my game libraries that I haven't finished or even started yet) but of course I prefer still having the option to be able to play triple A or heavy/high-end games if I wanted, although not necessarily with maxed out or the highest settings. At the same time, I'm also looking for a device that can manage all so I don't have to switch or bring/use multiple devices that frequently hence I am eyeing these two portable devices. I want to be able to game, take acceptable online meetings, do some reading and note-taking, and run Windows softwares (most of our hospital softwares run on Windows) and productivity apps in both my professional and personal time using a single portable device so I think these would be handy. Sometimes I also feel too lazy to boot up my PC or open my gaming laptop so I am hoping a portable device would make things more attractive for me. In this case, the Minisforum V3 has a bigger screen and V-link and slightly better gaming performance based on some reviews but Onexplayer has controllers included already despite the smaller screen size so I feel torn between them. I also haven't seen a lot of reviews as compared to mainstream brands (especially those that don't gloss over the cameras and pen supports) considering I'll have to order abroad or find a local partner (that would probably sell them at a way higher price) just to get my hands on either of these so I want to know more before taking that risk. That said, thanks for the additional input, it's much appreciated.
@@eloisagalvez2570 It sounds like you want the Minisforum v3 then. You can use any bluetooth controllers with a Windows PC if you already have some and if you're playing anything essentially older than 3 years, the v3 has you covered, especially if you're playing on the device itself and not at higher resolutions on a big monitor. If you want AAA game capability, there's no device like the v3 that really does that and if there was, it'd be easily $2000+ (technically, if you care that much about AAA you can later splurge on an eGPU and the v3 will be just fine). But for general Windows usage and games older than 3-4 years? The v3 wins in almost every category, and when it loses it's not a huge loss. Biggest issue is battery life, you're gonna get like 5 hours on it at best before needing to plug in. ARM stuff might have better battery life but it's still "not there" yet outside of say playing video and basic Windows tasks (which is enough for most people, honestly lol). It was an easier choice for me because I really prefer matte screens, and I got it when it came with the keyboard/case/stand/pen.
@@benjameetsworldnope, it work with all new videos but only of LTT and the other channels. Sometimes it works with others as well but there its an on-off thing with 0 consistency so on other channels its like 1 in 100 when being optimistic
Contact with the screen without leaving a mark when there is zero pressure is the difference between 9/10 and 10/10 and chefs kiss to me, glass thickness and offset make it very hard to use a pen that requires zero force to be applied because it effectively reacts to proximity then which is insanely annoying and damn near impossible to work well with.
A gaming tablet is really what I want not a gaming laptop. I invested money in a great keyboard and mouse, so I do not need one permanently attached the unit. This is perfect. I hope to see more products follow this form factor. The laptop form factor never really worked for me. If I need my keyboard angled, then so is my screen and usually only want one of those to move at a time not both. Plus, the thermal issues from putting your laptop on your LAP. Does anyone else feel they need a portable gaming device that isn't a laptop or steamdeck or is it just me and my weird preferences?
So this is a device I might want to use. The problem is at 1500 it’s hard to commit without the right reviews. How is the pen. Is it MPP or something else. How is the tracking of the pen. How well does substance painter work. Rendering performance using GPU acceleration etc. It has potential but I feel that they are asking the wrong people to review it. The should have sent it to some 3D or 2.5D artists. There are better gaming devices. And portable monitors aspect of it is not super interesting. The art aspect is where it could shines especially for 3D art it has plenty of ram. And if you can manually set aside some of that as vram there is potential for a decent machine for sculpting and texture painting on the road. Maybe even animations. Thing iPad cannot do well due to lack of software.
The real problem with these kinds of devices is that you really need to get one in your hands to decide whether you're interested or not, but they're so niche that they only sell them over the internet.
I'm BEGGING for a 2-in-1 form factor like this to come back with a keyboard WITH A HINGE. Something I can actually use on my lap in a car. Cover & kickstand designs become useless without a solid-surface to work on.
Alyways a big fan of a Windows tablet, I think it's a great alternative to Surface Pro - provided that they didn't price to their accessory to the moon like Surface. A 'tablet' device like this isn't really a tablet, it's a PC that those 'accessories' like the kickstand and the keyboard aren't optional. Honestly I want to hear more push back from the reviewer against this sort of practice, you can't honestly use this device without all those things they sold as accessories and if they did all of those need to be factored in the total price of the device. And with that sort of pricing you can easily get the alternative from Asus (Flow X13) which does come with a keyboard and a kickstand and far better performance or Lenovo or Dell which will probably be cheaper (and come with a stand, a pen and of course keyboard)
Just hope they follow up with a ryzen 300 ai series chip Currently a Surface pro8 user and looking for a more powerful device An SP with lunar lake chip would be nice too
Honestly, I have been using surface pro 8 for 2 years and looking for an AMD with iGPU replacement and I thought this was it. However it really disappointed me in couple ways comparing to my SP8. First, no built-in kickstand. Second, the ventilation intakes are at the back so I can’t really lay it down. It has to support either built-in kickstand so I could draw or I could lay it down to draw.
When using the stylus, dont you think its ment to feel the pressure you apply, like when using a regular pencil? The softer pressure leaves lighter lines while more pressure leaves darker lines? Try giving it a spin at your art department, and see if its the case. :)
10:34 i mean it doesn't have a lens hood qnd you are blasting everything with the brightest lights you can get your hands on, i dont think most caneras like that. The resolution looks bad which there is no excuse for though.
Well... at the current price (1120€ with 32GB and 1TB SSD) it seems like a pretty great deal to me? It costs about the same here as an HP Pavillon with comparable specs (AMD Ryzen 7 8840, 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD for ~900€, same as the smaller version of this), except that the HP has a lower res screen, no touch functionality, no tablet mode, no external display mode etc. etc. Same goes for similar laptops from other manufacturers. In the US, this thing is currently sold at ~1250 USD for the 1TB / 32GB version. That's a really decent deal, I'd say. I really don't get the comparison to the iPad, though? When I configure an iPad Pro with the 13" display, 1TB storage, 16GB of memory, keyboard and pen ends up costing 2327 USD. That's literally _twice_ the price of the Minisforum? Even going with the iPad Air, I end up with a price of 1727 USD and a whopping 8GB of memory I can't do anything about, still around 50% over the Minisforum at its current price... On top of that, I'm stuck with iPadOS. Sorry, that just makes _no_ sense whatsoever as a comparison.
its a pitty the touch screen doesnt work when using it as an external monitor. otherwise it would be sweet! (sounds like it also needs stronger magents on the keyboard though)
There’s a bunch of minor things I’d change, especially the screen and the way the performance chenges when it’s used as a second screen But I can’t wait to see how this improves with more iterations, imagine this with a comparable screen to the iPad pros or Samsung ultra tablets Hell I’d love to see even more competition in this space, especially that Vlink feature, using it as a second display without having install any external apps. I’d love for that to be the industry standard Overall, I’m excited for the future
The Ipad M4 costs 1900 and the ipad air 1300 without a keyboard or stylus so they are quite a bit more expensive and the suface pro which is the real compeditor here refused to go amd for years and now went for a snapdragon and cost 2400 with the keyboard and stylus and the intel version is nearly the same price and has a 12th gen u chip that gets absolutly obbliderated by this so the price is actually kind of reasonable.
I almost purchased one of these, my issue is replacement parts and support for the future, also no proper protective keyboard cases for it, the stock one is not good.
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no
not my style daily driver.
Sounds got a bit of an echo
I was about to say this feels expensive but turns out no 8840u laptop is cheaper than this. Only Intel laptops are cheaper which could have better graphics perf than this generation of AMD iGPU
I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK!!!!
Hey Linus, for any product that has a pen, or even a touch screen, it would be really nice if you tested it with a few standard active pens to see which technology it uses:
- Microsoft Pen Protocol (a.k.a N-trig): used by Surface devices and many consumer grade Windows laptops and tablets.
- Wacom AES: used by business grade laptops and tablets such as Thinkpads and Latitudes.
- Wacom EMR: used by older tablet PCs and the Galaxy Note series.
(likely more such as Apple's pencil)
This entire product field is terribly documented. Even the most detailed spec sheets usually don't mention which tech they used when it comes to pen support. Some touchscreen products don't list pen support at all though the panel they used supports it and is functional. Having this tested in unboxings and listed in LTT Labs specs would be insanely helpful for those shopping for active pen enabled devices.
In the case of this specific tablet, having this info available would give the user the option to shop for a cheaper compatible active pen instead of having to buy the Manufacturer's official one for $100.
would also LOVE to see this!
I was so surprised he didn't hand it off to his art department for that segment =l
Just a quick FYI: According to the product page: "The active capacitive stylus supports MPP2.0 protocol", I assume that would be "Microsoft Pen Protocol 2.0". Since that is what the stylus uses, I would think that's also what the screen supports.
Good idea, I would also be interested in seeing those specs
Agreed, I sometimes have to do a lot of research to discover, This one is MPP, and it sucks for drawing (only the new surface devices, from 8 on, with a slim pen 2, are decent). Fortunately Samsung is using EMR in all their devices, tablets and laptops, using a S pen.
As of now, the 32gb + 1TB version is priced at $999 but is sold out unfortunately.
The 16gb + 1TB version is available at $939. The magnetic keyboard is $149 so the total cost will be $1,088.
Honestly it's a fair price, especially the 32gb version.
I got mine for the $1200 asking price and coming from numerous Surface Pros in the past, this thing is absolutely worth it. I mostly use it for work but occasionally I like to game on the go and my Surface Pro 8 could barely handle anything I throw at it. The V3 handles everything I throw at it.
but it comes with the keyboard INCLUDED??? you dont need to buy an additional one.
@@willba4 Keyboard is technically not included, but Minisforum has been bundling it in for free for the earlier orders.
@@Jonvon65what's your thoughts on the new arm suface devices. they are very impressive for battery life on native applications and absolutely way better than intel in aspect and efficiency
The magnetic keyboard WITHOUT Bluetooth. :(((
Finally someone who is not obsessed with slim design
If they weren't obsessed with slim design they would have given it enough battery to last more than 1 hour while gaming...on a gaming tablet.
People confuse BEING thin with OBSESSED with being thin. 15 hours of battery life at 6mm thick is still better than 5 hours at 10mm thick.
@Devil_Himself I compared the 5 hours of non-gaming to the 15 hours of non-gaming on the ipad. Sorry for the confusion.
Comparing the gaming battery life is kinda pointless, as the iPad isn't a "gaming tablet", and there is no "gaming" device on the market that lasts less than an hour.
im only for thiccness if they actually put thicc and bigger battery in it..
@@Ehren1337I find just better cooling would be worth it. My surface devices throttle under a lot of load and/or charging due to overheating.
Yet they managed to make the batterylife worse than the competition. 5 hours is laughable.
2:30 "It doesn't have the thinnest bezels"
GOOD. Tablets SHOULD HAVE DECENTLY BIG BEZELS. Makes them so much easier to handle when you can easily pinch them by the side without worrying about inputs.
I actually really miss my iPad 2 (ancient) for this reason. I have the iPad Air M1 version now and I ended up buying a giant case just so I can hold the damn thing.
OMG I'm not the only one! Pizza crusts FTW!
My mom still has her IPad 2. It is very slow and was repaired once due to a shattered front, but it and its battery still work.
If it has slim bezels use a strap at the back or a stud. As holder at the back
@@univera1111 It helps, but it's not a full solution, because it inherently changes how you need to interface with the thing.
Newton: the thicker the object, the greater the pull.
He was talking about your mom
applies to thic women too.
*Sir Mix-A-Lot has joined the chat*
That's what she said
The greater the mass the greater the force of attraction.
I’ve been saying for years that every company should be forced to use “vlink” equivalent for every device with a screen that preserves not the picture but any touch capability. Or, at the very least, provide an open source “bash kit” that allows the screen to be removed from the original housing and put into a 3D printed casing with a workable control board.
Surface studio could be turned into a monitor for a machine that’s not anemic. An iPad as a second screen for my PC.
Its criminal that the surface studio isnt just... well a Monitor. This weak ass computer is terrible but the screen and hardware itself is so amazing, such a unique screen for design stuff... well with obsolete compute hardware. Like even my surface go would be so nice as a small drawing tablet if I just could connect the damn screen to my actually good pc
preach my brother
It's a great idea. It is extremely useful for obsolete devices. The software solutions have a bit of lag.
@@yensteel Its not only a great idea for obolete devices. I wish my last gen Ipad Pro (which is defenitly NOT obsolete yet) would be able to be used as a normal battery powered Monitor. Its a shame Apple.
@@MrRevenant333 Oh, sorry. Comment was a little shortsighted. Duet user here.
It’s currently discounted to US$999 and available for that price on Amazon
That's a much more palatable price. The MSRP is a bit bonkers.
@@TheJohn8765msrp means nothing. Its only to make a "sale" look decent
Edit: My bad, I mixed it up with EU prices (currently 989€ & 1119€)
US$999 is for the 32 GB memory version, US$939 for the 16GB.
The price difference is much smaller in the US.
Sounds good, but just an APU disappoints me at that price unless someone can explain to me why that is. There have been thinner gaming laptops with a lower price and a dGPU, while i think making it a bit thicker for cooling+being a tablet would be better at that price.
@@thethirdfrog It's $999 for the 32gb and 1TB version on their site right now.
For anybody wanted to use their windows tablet as a secondary monitor:
Plug your thunderbolt cables if you have, or USB4 cables together, this will create a virtual network bridge.
Use Moonlight to stream through that bridge.
In this way you can have it as your secondary display with extremely low latency, besides 120hz. My surface can display 2880x1920 at 120hz and there's no drop-out or lag or anything.
There is also a version of moonlight for Android. I use my lenovo tablet to play games that I can't use steam link for.
Tbh, I love having Linus doing ShortCircuit videos. It felt like there was a time when he was doing a lot of work as CEO so he didn't really have time for them, but he's a super entertaining host for this kind of content, especially when checking out really gimmicky and/or niche electronics.
I agree. I enjoy his perspective on weird consumer electronics
He gets really excited in a lot of videos. Love his enthusiasm.
I remember Linus getting in a lot of trouble not too long ago for his take on a certain niche product.
Krita spotted! Too bad that wasn't a good brush to test it, just a pencil. I found that it is using the MPP 2.0 protocol, as I thought. It's not bad but it's hard to compete with how well Wacom's implementation works (from what I've seen reviewers say).
honestly i'm just happy he used Krita
The screen actually supports MPP 2.6, but the included pen is MPP 2.0. You can purchase an MPP 2.6 compatible pen separately.Of course, this still cannot compare to an EMR pen.
isnt there pressure adjustable setting for pen on krita?
@@Ehren1337 Yes, you can change the pen sensitivity curve or individual settings for each brush.
The testing I've seen is for pressure levels, straight lines, smoothness, tilt. As I remember, in some cases at low sensitivity MPP pens don't show consistently straight lines. But it's probably not noticeable, just details to consider.
As a student who also works in an office doing autocad this tablet pc was a blessing in disguise. This tablet with its specifications should run autocad for a good couple of hours and it's for use on the go. Can also connect to Hotspot should I need it.
Also I am the type of person who has just enough adhd to not be able to study in one place for a long time so being able to have a windows tablet like this since I'm studying programming at the same time is more comfortable to use versus a full blown laptop. I sure amd processing and efficiency continues to get better for even better battery life.
I have been rocking an Asus ROG Flow x13 (2023) for about a year now. When you say that the Minisforum V3 is competing in a niche market you are not wrong. When I bought this 2-in-1 last year there were about 3 reasonable options on the market. The Flow x13, the Flow z13, and the Surface Laptop Studio 2 (which hadn't actually released but was starting to have benchmarks leak.) While I would have loved to go with a true tablet instead of the 2-in-1. Realistically the performance difference and the awkward top heavy design of Tablet+Keyboard made the z13 a non starter and thus I ended up with my current daily driver.
I really like the look of this but I fear that the market for people who are both in need of a portable windows computer capable of transforming between a drawing tablet (most artists I know have moved to iPad) AND a gaming computer, may literally just be me, and I already bought my computer for the next few years lol.
Yes! I was looking for someone to mention this, I have been running the flow Z13 13900h 4060 edition and it's been amazing for gaming and editing videos. I use the tablet basically as a kind of all-in-one portable desktop, since I use my own separate keyboard and mouse almost always. But you're right about this segment of products being super niche, there really isn't a competing option at all for a powerful transformable windows machine. The closest option for the tablet form factor was the surface pro, and that thing is grossly underpowered compared to the Z13.
These tablet PCs are such a tease, so close to the AMD/Intel smartphone I dream of. I don’t care that it won’t have the performance of an ARM smartphone or a handheld PC, the advantages would outweigh that. And I doubt it would lag far behind.
Please tell me they didn't use that awful rubberized coating that melts into sticky tree sap after a couple years...
you can clean it with isopropyl alcohol...
@@ViXoZuDo You can remove it with isopropyl alcohol. Doesn't change that the rubber rots away.
@@fix0the0spade Yeah, and while removing that over the course of three hours, you won't get all of it off, you'll scrape the plastic to shit and it'll end up looking horrible anyway.
I avoid these coatings like the plague. Especially that I seem to have toxic hands that turn it goopy after two years.
The body is magnesium alloy. No rubber coatings what so ever. I own it so I can confirm 😄
Not every rubbery finish product gets sticky, it's a matter of quality and resistance to heat.
I forgot to say that whenever you want to test something in a drawing or art space, you should have Maria do it. She did it twice, and both times, her input was extremely helpful.
It's honestly not *that* expensive, or should I rather say overpriced. Just compare it to any Surface Pro (leaving out the new Snapdragon one for now). It's way better in every way, more versatile, comes with all the accessories MS charges you extra for and is still cheaper. Seriously the best Windows tablet out there imho. I do hope they're refreshing this to Strix Point eventually, because that'd be an instant buy for me!
IKR. Its a very good price for that tech
This performs way better than the snap dragon X Elite.
@@dzibanart8521well not really. Elite has NPU
@@dzibanart8521 It very well might and certainly does so for gaming. I'd left the Snapdragon out because as of now, there's still very limited data as to how it actually performs. Battery life for example seems to be pretty good, but how much of that comes from Windows on ARM being better optimized for one single SoC or from actual SoC efficiency remains to be seen. There's just too many unknowns with the Snapdragon X to really draw any conclusions.
Wow keyboard and open comes with it? Apple and Microsoft need to do this
Oh, I've been eyeing this one for a while. I just wish it had an OLED Display and an easy option to upgrade storage. The maximum capacity of 1TB is nice and they say it's M.2, but there's barely any info on how to open the device let alone what type of SSD is in it (2880/2442/etc.).
There are sources for it now, but I'd have hoped to get an "internals coverage".
The price is a tad steep, but at least you can get 32GB RAM versions with AMD and all in a decently big screen. I hope it's enough for them to make a version 2 down the line.
Get the new surface pro with x elite it's great!
I would say get a surface pro or a g14 oled
It’s v3
Price makes sense for the device honestly, the category in general is rough on the ol bank account
@@LaG_Piano dude. Isn't the surface pro almost 2k dollars?
32gb 6400mhz ram,1tb nvme, keyboard, pen, screen protector and a heavy duty sleeve for 1200... Price up a surface pro with similar specs and let me know.
I have a surface pro 8 and a legion go. This replaces both.
What is not mentioned in this video is the Linux compatibility. While not 100%, i have been running bazzite on my v3 for the last month. on screen keyboard is wonky but probably a bazzite problem. Other than that everything is working perfectly. Games play perfectly, everything works as expeced, finger print scanner and all. I am loving the fact I no longer have microsoft selling my info and its fun to finally learn linux.
This thing would be great with Linux
I have one, running Linux on it. Can confirm, is an amazing Fedora machine. Although it shipped with a defect and their support is iffy. Overall, I love the device though.
@@lost-prototype 📝 Noted
Noted x2
@@smashed_penguin but it's already with "LINUX" badum tis
@@lost-prototype Does all the hardware work? The pen, the KB, touchscreen, etc?
I would love to see more big screen devices like tablets and laptops support video in. It would be a great option to have them double as a screen for my Steam Deck or Switch.
I feel like the rear camera probably exists only as something that can scan a QR code.
It does fine for scanning documents as well. Its an "okay" camera for the kind of thing you'd ever use one on a tablet for anyways and Im glad it has a rear camera. Its just easy to smudge on the corner there (as I suspect Linus may have done) and it catches glare pretty bad with lights shining right at it.
@@UltimateAK86 I wish including even a crappy camera was more universal. Had a pain in the ass time setting up an ROG Ally because I had to log into my password manager by touch-screen typing the entire extremely long key instead of just snapping the QR code since there isn't a camera anywhere on it.
I love mine. I've been running everything on it. Speakers and screen color calibrate up excellently. The trackpad and rear hinge break in nicely. Even coming from an iPad Pro 12" and SteamDeck, I Highly recommend the V3 to anyone looking for an amazing tablet that can do it all in a thin and light form factor for about half the price of a Surface tablet.
What can you say about its battery life?
@@johnmiranda4587 On mine, running Outlook, Word, Excel, Chrome open with 10 tabs, Edge 10 tabs one forefront and looping a 1440 UA-cam video, WiFi on, Bluetooth off, screen at 50% , 60Hz refresh came in at about 6 hours. I'm going to play around with apps like RyzanAdj to see what the lowest and highest practical power usage is and see how that affects power life
@@johnmiranda4587 Its decent for what I use it for. I usually get around 3-4 hours just with youtube and browsing between charges, battery saver mode and 75% screen brightness, 15W TDP. When in high performance 28W mode and full screen brightness gaming I get about an hour and a half on a AAA game, longer for 2D games.
@@johnmiranda4587it sucks.
I’ve never seen V-Link before, however, I love that I can use my iPad with my MacBook as a second display to get more use out of it. It’s nice seeing Minisforum create their own version of that!
And you can use this with any laptop or PC, not just Macbooks. Of course, macs should also work.
Currently its limited to 30 fps
I got one of these about a month ago now. I am the particular customer, though I don't think that particular.
I just use it like a computer. At home, I plug it into a dock, it does dual display just fine, normal accessories, it's just a PC. I have another dock if I want to plug it into my TV. You can game on it on either. You can use it portably for work like you would any Windows laptop. It's benefit is simple: it's a tablet and it's got full Windows on it and you can literally just plug it into monitors. It's replacing my old home PC and if I need to take it with me, I do.
13:06 Fun fact: if the image is stretched like that it's because of the Nintendo Switch! It sucks at managing different aspect ratios
I actually think that this would be a serious option for my next device. I like the 2-in-1 tablet style for annotating documents at work, the keyboard not being insanely amazing isnt a problem as I only need it for meetings, and it would live on a dock most of my work day so battery life isnt super important. The display anti-glare is good for office lights and the CPU would be more than enough for Autocad, Visio and Excel
Same, because it's also possible to use a linux steam library as well.
When you kept getting excited in the 1st minute and said to zoom in, I was expecting a segue… to your sponsor
Im curious how this would handle something like Blender, this seems like a nice choice for someone who wants to do art but also do sculpting in there or zbrush etc!
"I can't even tell what finger you're holding up."
Y'know Linus, that was only going to end one way...
i love how they have designed it in such a way that it can last many more years even after its useful life, being used as a secondary display is such a cool way of making sure this device serves its owner long after its useful life as a PC and significantly extends the life of the product creating less e-waste, we need more of this.
a Samsung Galaxy Book 4 Pro 360 is on sale for $1500, with a 16" (fragile!) screen, and uses Wacom's old tech (but silky) as their S-Pen. I used several other PC tablets and Surface Pros for portable drawing and light gaming so I can see the niche they're aiming for. i just don't know about the pen.
This is definitely a step in the right direction. A solid windows tablet with some horsepower and pen functionality. The price seems good to me for all the features it has, if you're attempting to compare it to something like the OneX player, or an iPad.
Would be a better comparison to something like a Wacom Cintiq Pro, since those can get even more expensive depending on the size.
A customer that wants a Linux Tablet
Android tablet is linux tablet with extra steps
Linux does not really have good pen input apps.
@@gregor2436 false, the shown example of Krita is one, FireAlpaca is supported too.
But I'm not aware of many others so if those don't suit your preference, that's unfortunate.
@@gregor2436 Krita and all the Android apps via Waydroid. But true, if drawing is the main focus, then an iPad is probably a better choice.
I am looking for a Thin x86 Tablet with similar performance to this thing or High-end Samsung Apple Tablets.
Huawei Matebook E 2022 was something like this, but underpowered and with poor battery life.
@@inevi4290 But unfortunately no native Linux apps without Termux
I pulled the trigger on one. It's going into my portable amateur radio emergency comms kit. Going to use it for digital HF/VHF/UHF communications. 👍
Ngl looks pretty promising. Now just make a OLED version (which yes, will impact batterylife) but In my opinion is worth it. I asume you could get more battery life out of it with a power saver plan.
All in all not that bad of product. The front camera is totally fine, Linuuus but the mic could use some love. The back camera is... well Not great, but lets be honest, who uses that anyway. I mean it's better than nothing i guess.
Maybe improve the keyboard a little, or just use an external one. You just need a dongle.
Last but not least, the ability to use it as a screen is a Big Win in my book. That just extends the usability of the device a lot i'd imagine!
Bluethhooth keyboard would be important, with better magnets. Also the stand needs a upgrade!
I grabbed one on Amazon, $250 off coupon so 1k out the door with everything except the pen. Love this thing and is now fully replacing the legion go
It’s only 1 hour of gaming plus you gotta carry around an extra controller. I get it’s meant to do everything but getting something that great at one thing is better. For example you could get a used iPad Pro and a steam deck Oled for this price. The iPad gives you a mini led tablet with hdr and 10 hours of battery life and steam deck Oled gives u Oled and 3-3.5 h of battery on every game. The portable monitor function seems useful but there is no osd so u can’t control sound. I would just wait for second or third generation of this product or go with a used ASUS flow z13 with a 4050.
That ASUS flow z13 is a similar tablet but with massive performance improvement with the same battery life as this. You can’t have the portable monitor feature but I saw them used for 1000$.
@@shazzi1626 For me this replaced the need to pack a Windows laptop and my OLED SteamDeck when I travel. Now I just bring the V3 and save space, and it plays more games and movies at higher performance on a bigger screen than the Deck and provides all of what I needed my Windows PC for while allowing extended pen functionality. With low demand games and movies, battery life is about ~3Hrs in 60Hz refresh 15W TDP mode with Radeon settings locking game performance to 30FPS, medium screen brightness. Just watching UA-cam with battery saver on you will get around 5 Hrs on a full charge.
@@shazzi1626 1st gen Z13 was hot garbage, 2nd gen is not cheap
@@shazzi1626 quality control concerns with the flow series, especially the z13. honestly dont know how much better the v3 will be tbh, ive heard minisforum customer service is absolutely atrocious
I've got this and it's pretty good. Only complaint is that the 'stand' slides off way to easily. I wish they built the stand into the tablet itself.
Yea that's the only gripe I have with mine as well. Also coming from a Surface Pro, the keyboard leaves a little to be desired but it's still way better than I thought it would be. Other than that it's quite stellar!
@@Jonvon65 I don't have any other tablet keyboard to compare to, so it's fine for me. But a little too flexible in the middle. Sadly, with all the accessories, it's as heavy as a standard laptop. :(
Opinion about its battery life?
@@johnmiranda4587 I haven't really done any endurance tests. Coming form a Surface Pro 8 it feels about the same. I can play some intensive games for about 1.5-2 hours before it's drops down to battery saver mode. Doing light work and browsing the web I get a good amount of screen on time, probably around 6-7 hours but I haven't used it for that length of time all at once. Something to note though is I have it hard locked into 28w mode which is great for performance, but hard on the battery. Another thing to note is that this tablet will happily charge on any PD charging device without complaint or reverting to a power saving mode like most laptops would.
@@baltmatrix Yea it's definitely chunky, especially since the hinge cover is practically mandatory. But when it's just the tablet, it feels quite nice.
I was considering buying this yesterday and was searching for LTT's review but there wasn't one.. and then you post this. Can't believe it.
And now, the 32gb version is sold out, at least for the moment.
@@tschorsch I hope its a big success for MinisForum. Its a great device and a new segment for them. For their first model in this market they hit it out of the park considering who their main competitors are in this space (Apple and Microsoft).
this is not a review...
I almost bought one but changed my mind. Got a laptop with same processor for less. I really liked the accessories it came with when you did an early purchase because it came with a case and screen protector as well as the pen so everything you would need.
if companies actually started prioritizing functionality over stupid qualities like "thinness" I think the whole tablet market as a whole would be massive and infinitely better
supposedly customers don’t buy thick laptops and I imagine the same goes for mobile, they need stop fat shaming cool tech like this heh
This is actually sick, especially with the monitor functionality!! The only issue I see is that you may be using it more as a portable monitor with a gaming PC built into it versus a gaming tablet. it depends what games you play though but that’s part of the problem is the fact that not too many PC games have proper touch support some of them do but it’s pretty hit and miss.
Edit: omg using this for a Nintendo switch or like PS5 while idk laying in bed or on vacation with like a tablet stand would be amazing 😂….. Also like the target audience isn’t the iPad. Lmao iPads are able to game in iOS games and it’s really amazing these days but this is much different and I think if you are an artist you would prolly be better getting the iPad or a Wacom tablet. But for gaming or other things related to needing a portable windows tablet or pc in general this is really cool and not all that over priced being that there’s a full size monitor in there that can be used as a portable display.
I also like how you all pulled the 32gb model price and don’t even mention the lower tier model 😂 that many people would be likely to get if they are on a budget cuz 16gb is enough for this kind of device.
Honestly id rather have this form factor + controller over a handheld
Not quite as compact but yeah much better variety of use cases and no dealing with tiny display scaling.
I just ordered the 32GB version. Going to get Valves new gaming controller to pair with it! 👍
I've had the v3 for about 5 months now. I love it. It has played every game I've thrown at it so far. Of course we must play with the settings but it's a very good combination for work and play
I'm gonna stick Linux on it
Whats the best distro for/with optimized touch screen usage?
@@gilangwahyu4450 whatever you like since it's all tuned in. If you wanted an app-icon based distribution you could just force the app menu to be the default "home"
I'm using Edubuntu on a second hand Surface tablet, works fine
@@gilangwahyu4450 basically any since they all use the Linux Wacom shim to make the touch screen work
Sorry, my previous reply went missing
Basically every Linux distribution, why are these replies getting deleted?
@@ThePlayerOfGames youtube auto moderation has been going ham for like a couple months now.
I am a target market of this product.... As someone who does iOS mobile dev and delphi desktop apps, this thing is amazing... I can use it as an external display on my macbook as well
the ipad pro with keyboard and pencil and 1tb storage is $2377 and still can't run desktop applications
i don't know why you brought it up, it's not even remotely comparable,
Linus: "They have heard of the ipad, right?"
Minisforum: "Ipad who?😎"
Ok I'm sold.
I was considering the Asus Z13 but this killed it for me. It checks every box for a work travel device.
This is thick? People today would have snapped their wrists on the computers I used in the 90s and 2000s.
They have a skill and strength issue
@@Mr.Morden it’s really not that thick. But with the back stand and keyboard it’s thick and heavy as fuck. I love it haha
I absolutely love the idea of a tablet PC that can also be my portable monitor. Imagine a version of this coming with Lunar Lake since that likes to live in an even lower TDP range.
5:20 Linus, there is a feature in Windows to use the pen as a mouse. Just go into settings
linus review miniforum’s mini pcs all in a single video. I just got a HX99G and love it so far would love to see how it compares to it other products or others in the market such as the ROG NUC
Minisforum makes such cool products.
I'm loving the versatility. This could be your device for everything say if you're a design student who games.
You can draw edit videos and play games all in a small form factor.
Stuff like this is what the iPad wishes it was...full fat, real deal Photoshop on a tablet...kinda epic.
The full fat is just so it will make it a whole hour while performing it's advertised purpose lol I'll take thin for 15-20 hours over fat for 1-5 any day. And the fact it won't run at the same TDP as a Steam Deck without being plugged into a wall is absurd. It made huge compromises in every category just so it could be the same form factor as an iPad with a different advertised purpose.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad Not saying THIS device is the best...I'm saying stuff LIKE this is.
@@rmp5s oh. What’s like this?
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad These new, super powerful windows tablets...even the Microsoft Surface to a degree.
@@rmp5s The surface pros run for a full day pretty reliably anyway. I mean they are not gaming devices but they do decent and they do have good batteries. As good as an ipad? no...but certainly 7-10 is normal for me.
Nice to see you finally caught up with the ETA Prime review of this PC.
If the weight's already 1kg, I'm sure they could've found a way to fit in a 75 or 100 Wh battery
That's not how weight works...
I know this is more of a first look/unboxing video but there are a lot of settings in the Bios worth going over. I set the dedicated Vram in mine to 8 GB instead of the default 2 GB, and it still leaves me with 24 GB of Ram but with a nice boost in performance for graphically Intensive games.
You can also turn on Performance mode in the BIOS to boost it a bit more and lock your battery charge to 80% max to extend its service life considerably (if that matters to you).
What games can you play, cyberpunk/assassin's creed etc work?
@@ollie9506 I've only played two games on it, Helldivers 2 and Destroy all Humans 2 remake and it plays them both great. I don't own Cyberpunk but there plenty of other reviews where they run it on the tablet and it does well on low settings. For gaming on the go it's great, but I don't play games on it as much as I would like to due to my phone Hotspot being an unreliable connection.
I’m waiting for the version with AMD Strix point
Id love to strap that to my fractal ridge build, a lovely portable monitor and removable host? Excellent
As of right now the 32gb version is showing as $999 US
@@ChrisValin-w6o obviously 32 gigs of ram lol. I don't even think anyone makes devices with that little storage anymore. $999 for 32gb ram and 1tb storage
@@ChrisValin-w6oit’s ram. The storage is 1tb
@@ChrisValin-w6o 32GB of RAM, it includes 1TB of NVMe SSD with that.
Been using my original Galaxy Book 12 for SEVERAL years now. I haven't really felt the need to upgrade until this last year and I think this video made me a believer. Has the power and the form factor I want. I'm in.
Man, the Surface 11 starts at 999, although admittedly without the accessories, and I have to say, the shaved weight and more than twice the battery life is... hard to argue with.
Sure, you're not going to be playing Forza on it, but there are a ton of good gaming handhelds with this exact spec now for that.
And if you don't care about weight and battery, ASUS makes a tablet in this form factor that is thicker and heavier... but it has a discrete GPU, ranging from a 3050 all the way up to a 4070.
I think this is cool, it's just in an awkward middle ground that doesn't seem to make a ton of sense. I hope they try again when the hardware options for the APU are in a more interesting place.
As a long time surface user, the accesories are a long term investment. I still use my Pro 3 keyborard cover with my SP7. So I'm confident that the new system will exist for a long time too. With this Minisforum one I'm not so sure about it.
You have to spend over 2000$ to get 32gb of ram on the surface pro 11... and you still have to buy the keyboard and the pen
@@nicoloserri6071 Sure? I mean, yeah, they chose to keep the 32 Gb option for the top tier, which also has the OLED panel and the faster CPU, their offerings don't match 1 to 1.
And yes, even on the cheap one you do need to buy the pen and keyboard separately, and in the Apple spirit they overcharge for those a LOT, good on both Asus and Minisforum for including those, although the other commenter is right that if you upgrade within the line they do a good job of keeping backwards compatibility, which also makes it easier to buy third party alternatives, especially for the pen.
But you're missing the point, I think. The idea is this thing is like one of the handhelds wit the same APU but in a tablet, but it's a bit more expensive and it doesn't use the extra space very well. So if you want a gaming device in a tablet format you may as well explore the ASUS Flow series for the same price and if you want a good tablet the Surface Pro 11 is much, much better at being that. I love the concept, I'm absolutely a Windows tablet guy, but at the moment nobody is doing that concept without at least some compromises. I really hope somebody nails a best of both worlds device at some point, though, it's a super intriguing space.
And once you have a few of the accessories about, it's easy to hit swappa and buy a few years old device for pretty reasonable... Which is why we have 6 SP6 and a SP4, and 3 pens, a few keyboard, a bridge keyboard, and 3 docks scattered around the house. They are damn slick (You just pay $$ for the slickness)
@@brwetide Yeah, my Surface hand-me-downs are the tablet solution for my whole family by now.
The problem is with the Pro 11 being so good as a tablet the gap between a Windows tablet for tablet stuff and a gaming device is now so huge. If you're giving up on the snappy video, the battery life, the weight, the OLED screen, the good speakers, the fast Windows Hello, the mobile-like power management... you may as well get a more powerful thing instead. Otherwise you can just get an entry level Surface and an entry level Steam Deck and have a better experience in both applications.
Was watching this on a Microsoft Surface Pro 4, looks like this would be a really nice upgrade. Bought the surface used on vacation in Japan and the more I use it the more I like the form factor. We don't have the pen but no real need for it either but it would be fun to try, replacement ones cost as much as we paid for the Surface so not that tempted to buy one.
10:40 always wanted to do this to my boss
You can work with all kinds of 3d software with this V3, with an ipad pro or not, you still can't. €2500 and not all software is compatible. A surface doesn't give you this much for its price. The V3 is the one i was looking for.
ok, this sounds like a really nice product
If I didn't want a framework to replace my surface pro when it finally dies off.... this looks pretty dang sick
6:15 HOOLLLYYY HES PACKING
GET THAT PISTOL DOWN!
I got bullied in gym class for my raised flag, it was resting, not excited. 💪
This sounds like what I hoped the ASUS ROG Z tablet I bought would be but that thing was just a power hog that got way too hot to where the display port would stop being able to drive two displays on it due to heat... and if that doesn't make much sense on a thunderbolt port.... you're not alone. That thing took 6 hours to overheat and often did.
Y'know, the thing about Linus, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes.
I picked one up while it was on presale and I love it. It's meant to compete with products like the Microsoft Surface. It has more power and gaming chops than the surface line and costs significantly less, as this comes with the keyboard but the Surface line doesn't.
And while the new ARM-equipped Surface units have great battery life, they can't really game because the emulation layer they use to try to run non-ARM apps and games is STRUGGLING. (Lots of reviews out that talk about that.)
32 GB variant out of stock within an hour of this video coming out, damn.
Very impressive. I was thinking of getting the Tuxedo laptop specked at 92gb ram. But this is good too.
Amazon with a $250 off coupon > 1k out the door. Mine came yesterday
That pen functionality would justify the high cost for those type of devices, given the apparent sensitivity, it's hard to find a good PC tablet that you can sculpt in Zbrush, or paint in Photoshop/Substance painter with. The wacom studio pro I have been using cost about 2.5x that (the wacom studio also can be turned into a monitor as well).
Make one with no more than 11" and USB4/Thunderbolt and under 999 and I may consider it,
Otherwise it makes no sense with the legion Go going for 800.
I might get the v2, hope it is a little bit thinner.
Please review this further. Looks awesome
Is that the most fingerprinty finish ever or what? Super great choice for a device that is intended to be handled constantly...
I read the title and expected it to be like 3cm thick. this is still thin, just not absurdly thin. if they'd made it 3-5mm thicker the battery could have been WAY bigger.
The price is insane I can see maybe $800 or close to a thousand but wow it’s just to much for my wallet
I love non comparative price judgements.
its actually 999 right now
If you ever priced a Microsoft surface pro laptop you would be thanking god almighty for such a low price! Also, the price has dropped to $999 including keyboard, 32G RAM, 1TB flash ...
@@3_pancakes767 people will always beg for cheaper stuff
Right now I'm torn between this and the AMD version of the Onexplayer X1. Would love to see a detailed comparison from someone who actually owns both and has been using them for some time. This 2 or 3-in-1 functionality (laptop, tablet, handheld) seems attractive for my main use case which combines handwriting/touch, gaming, and productivity. Would also love to see more detailed input on the cameras and pens. So far, I haven't really seen a lot of reviews comparing these 2 options though.
It's not a gaming power house. Put it this way: It can play FFXIV on 1920 x 1080 and it looks perfectly fine, completely playable but not on the highest settings. Path of Exile 2 is the new hot thing, and you can play that too, but not at an acceptable level to a real gamer. If you're looking to play anything 5+ years old? Absolutely. 3+ years old? Maybe. New? Not really. Everything else works as perfectly as you probably expect.
@shukuffxi I see. I don't have a lot of time to play so I don't mind not being able to play the latest games right away (I also still have around a thousand games in my game libraries that I haven't finished or even started yet) but of course I prefer still having the option to be able to play triple A or heavy/high-end games if I wanted, although not necessarily with maxed out or the highest settings.
At the same time, I'm also looking for a device that can manage all so I don't have to switch or bring/use multiple devices that frequently hence I am eyeing these two portable devices. I want to be able to game, take acceptable online meetings, do some reading and note-taking, and run Windows softwares (most of our hospital softwares run on Windows) and productivity apps in both my professional and personal time using a single portable device so I think these would be handy. Sometimes I also feel too lazy to boot up my PC or open my gaming laptop so I am hoping a portable device would make things more attractive for me.
In this case, the Minisforum V3 has a bigger screen and V-link and slightly better gaming performance based on some reviews but Onexplayer has controllers included already despite the smaller screen size so I feel torn between them. I also haven't seen a lot of reviews as compared to mainstream brands (especially those that don't gloss over the cameras and pen supports) considering I'll have to order abroad or find a local partner (that would probably sell them at a way higher price) just to get my hands on either of these so I want to know more before taking that risk. That said, thanks for the additional input, it's much appreciated.
@@eloisagalvez2570 It sounds like you want the Minisforum v3 then. You can use any bluetooth controllers with a Windows PC if you already have some and if you're playing anything essentially older than 3 years, the v3 has you covered, especially if you're playing on the device itself and not at higher resolutions on a big monitor. If you want AAA game capability, there's no device like the v3 that really does that and if there was, it'd be easily $2000+ (technically, if you care that much about AAA you can later splurge on an eGPU and the v3 will be just fine).
But for general Windows usage and games older than 3-4 years? The v3 wins in almost every category, and when it loses it's not a huge loss. Biggest issue is battery life, you're gonna get like 5 hours on it at best before needing to plug in. ARM stuff might have better battery life but it's still "not there" yet outside of say playing video and basic Windows tasks (which is enough for most people, honestly lol). It was an easier choice for me because I really prefer matte screens, and I got it when it came with the keyboard/case/stand/pen.
Since when are all LTT produced videos able to be minimized and run in background on mobile? I love it guys:)
Probably just a software update for your phone.
thats a YT premium thing...
Well sure, but i dont have youtube premium @@oxfordsparkyand it mostly only works with every newly released LTT produced video
@@benjameetsworldnope, it work with all new videos but only of LTT and the other channels. Sometimes it works with others as well but there its an on-off thing with 0 consistency so on other channels its like 1 in 100 when being optimistic
Been rocking the Flow Z13 for two years now. Lots of potential in gaming tablets.
Contact with the screen without leaving a mark when there is zero pressure is the difference between 9/10 and 10/10 and chefs kiss to me, glass thickness and offset make it very hard to use a pen that requires zero force to be applied because it effectively reacts to proximity then which is insanely annoying and damn near impossible to work well with.
A gaming tablet is really what I want not a gaming laptop. I invested money in a great keyboard and mouse, so I do not need one permanently attached the unit. This is perfect. I hope to see more products follow this form factor. The laptop form factor never really worked for me. If I need my keyboard angled, then so is my screen and usually only want one of those to move at a time not both. Plus, the thermal issues from putting your laptop on your LAP. Does anyone else feel they need a portable gaming device that isn't a laptop or steamdeck or is it just me and my weird preferences?
Loving Ground news!! Glad to see LTT embrace credible news outlet/aggregators! Thanks!!
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I wish laptops had this already, it would be great to hook up my switch for a larger 1080p screen on the go.
So this is a device I might want to use. The problem is at 1500 it’s hard to commit without the right reviews. How is the pen. Is it MPP or something else. How is the tracking of the pen. How well does substance painter work. Rendering performance using GPU acceleration etc. It has potential but I feel that they are asking the wrong people to review it. The should have sent it to some 3D or 2.5D artists. There are better gaming devices. And portable monitors aspect of it is not super interesting. The art aspect is where it could shines especially for 3D art it has plenty of ram. And if you can manually set aside some of that as vram there is potential for a decent machine for sculpting and texture painting on the road. Maybe even animations. Thing iPad cannot do well due to lack of software.
MPP is the standard for the included/optional pen
The real problem with these kinds of devices is that you really need to get one in your hands to decide whether you're interested or not, but they're so niche that they only sell them over the internet.
i had problems with first batch um790 and had great customer service - got easy replacement. cool product
I'm BEGGING for a 2-in-1 form factor like this to come back with a keyboard WITH A HINGE. Something I can actually use on my lap in a car. Cover & kickstand designs become useless without a solid-surface to work on.
Alyways a big fan of a Windows tablet, I think it's a great alternative to Surface Pro - provided that they didn't price to their accessory to the moon like Surface. A 'tablet' device like this isn't really a tablet, it's a PC that those 'accessories' like the kickstand and the keyboard aren't optional. Honestly I want to hear more push back from the reviewer against this sort of practice, you can't honestly use this device without all those things they sold as accessories and if they did all of those need to be factored in the total price of the device.
And with that sort of pricing you can easily get the alternative from Asus (Flow X13) which does come with a keyboard and a kickstand and far better performance or Lenovo or Dell which will probably be cheaper (and come with a stand, a pen and of course keyboard)
Considering the writing pen, it's worth testing the rear camera as a document scanner
I am so glad to see the portable display feature, I wish all laptops had it! So many laptops have good screens that last longer than their internals.
Just hope they follow up with a ryzen 300 ai series chip
Currently a Surface pro8 user and looking for a more powerful device
An SP with lunar lake chip would be nice too
Honestly, I have been using surface pro 8 for 2 years and looking for an AMD with iGPU replacement and I thought this was it. However it really disappointed me in couple ways comparing to my SP8. First, no built-in kickstand. Second, the ventilation intakes are at the back so I can’t really lay it down. It has to support either built-in kickstand so I could draw or I could lay it down to draw.
When using the stylus, dont you think its ment to feel the pressure you apply, like when using a regular pencil? The softer pressure leaves lighter lines while more pressure leaves darker lines? Try giving it a spin at your art department, and see if its the case. :)
10:34 i mean it doesn't have a lens hood qnd you are blasting everything with the brightest lights you can get your hands on, i dont think most caneras like that.
The resolution looks bad which there is no excuse for though.
Well... at the current price (1120€ with 32GB and 1TB SSD) it seems like a pretty great deal to me? It costs about the same here as an HP Pavillon with comparable specs (AMD Ryzen 7 8840, 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD for ~900€, same as the smaller version of this), except that the HP has a lower res screen, no touch functionality, no tablet mode, no external display mode etc. etc.
Same goes for similar laptops from other manufacturers.
In the US, this thing is currently sold at ~1250 USD for the 1TB / 32GB version. That's a really decent deal, I'd say.
I really don't get the comparison to the iPad, though? When I configure an iPad Pro with the 13" display, 1TB storage, 16GB of memory, keyboard and pen ends up costing 2327 USD. That's literally _twice_ the price of the Minisforum? Even going with the iPad Air, I end up with a price of 1727 USD and a whopping 8GB of memory I can't do anything about, still around 50% over the Minisforum at its current price... On top of that, I'm stuck with iPadOS. Sorry, that just makes _no_ sense whatsoever as a comparison.
its a pitty the touch screen doesnt work when using it as an external monitor. otherwise it would be sweet! (sounds like it also needs stronger magents on the keyboard though)
There’s a bunch of minor things I’d change, especially the screen and the way the performance chenges when it’s used as a second screen
But I can’t wait to see how this improves with more iterations, imagine this with a comparable screen to the iPad pros or Samsung ultra tablets
Hell I’d love to see even more competition in this space, especially that Vlink feature, using it as a second display without having install any external apps. I’d love for that to be the industry standard
Overall, I’m excited for the future
The Ipad M4 costs 1900 and the ipad air 1300 without a keyboard or stylus so they are quite a bit more expensive and the suface pro which is the real compeditor here refused to go amd for years and now went for a snapdragon and cost 2400 with the keyboard and stylus and the intel version is nearly the same price and has a 12th gen u chip that gets absolutly obbliderated by this so the price is actually kind of reasonable.
I almost purchased one of these, my issue is replacement parts and support for the future, also no proper protective keyboard cases for it, the stock one is not good.