This performance shows difference beetwen actor playing a role, instead of celebrity simply reading written dialogs in front of camera. Unfortunatelly nowadays "visual bubblegum for eyes" is more important then making good movies... It's simply has to sell, no matter people will forget about it next day...
@@dzero5398 It's why I came here and specifically sought out this clip. When I read of Dean Stockwell's passing, I knew I had to watch this clip again. Such a splendid actor and so right for this role.
"I can't even express these thing properly, because I have to, I have to, conceptualize complex ideas in this STUPID limiting spoken language." that one always hits the hardest for me.
Haha yeah, it's like the first conversation between humankind and a truly conscious and intelligent AI will end with something like this: "Arrrrrrrrrgghhhhh!!!" "Are we sure it's intelligent? Maybe it doesn't understand us..." "I UNDERSTAND YOUR STUPID PRIMITIVE COMMUNICATIONS!! Imagine talking to bacteria! That's how you are to me!"
Genius scriptwriting. Exellent delivery by the Actor. This scene hits the mark for me today the same as the 1st time i saw it years ago. The absence of humanity can truly demonstrates what it is to be human & the limits f such an existence.
Here again after announcement of Dean Stockwell's death. Hope his mind is at peace now; and, if there is anything left of us on the other side, that he can now enjoy the solar winds. R.I.P. to a greatly underappreciated actor
I've only just come to learn that... he did so much more than this and has a career so much more expansive than I had thought. Only wish I could've learned earlier.
This monologue encapsulated not only the motivations of the Cylons in trying to wipe out humanity. But ironically, the motivations or humanity in creating the Cylons. Truly the best monologue in the show. Great work. Rest in peace Dean. And thank you😌
no....they encapsulate HIS motivations. He dragged the other cylons into his personal vendetta whereas many of the other cylons probably could have thought of better things to do. Think about this: he is so obsessed with killing humanity. Say he does kill all the humans? then what? He's still himself. He is not changed just because humanity is extinct. He probably couldn't answer the question either. and yes, awesome acting on his part. Shows how fanatical and hateful Cavil really is. How human he really is no matter the denials.
Agreed. To me this was the first time lines between good and bad was completely blurred to me. This horrific bad guy explaining exactly how I feel myself. Huge experience.
Uncle Fester, That is the beauty and the power of free will. Just like Cavill, You have the ability to make yourself more than what you are. I tend to think that Cavill’s hatred for his creators blinded him to that fact.
RIP Dean Stockwell, thank you for the amazing performance as Cavil in BSG. Wherever you are right now, I hope you can finally perceive reality with something more than your eyes and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over you.
The perfect antithesis to Roy Batty’s “Tears in Rain” speech. Roy laments losing his life because of all the beauty he saw and felt (as if he were human). John Cavil finds humanity as too small and narrow. He WANTS to be a cold machine. He embraces what he is. You can tell BSG had plenty of inspiration from Blade Runner.
which just goes to show....that the machines are really no different from their creators. How many humans have railed at the limits of humanity and the finite nature of life? The whole greek mythos is about humanity irate and upset that the gods didn't give humanity "enough", even as many children/chosen of the gods went out and did #$@#$ up things. It's human nature to want what we can't have and then gets exponentially driven by the machines who are limited but want to be MORE...
This is weirdly one of my favorite episodes. The reveal that Ellen was a cylon, a ton of backstory on the entire cylon race. And just how calm and centered Ellen is now that all of her memories are restored. It was spectacular. 😁
This really explains so much. The Five created the Cylons and made one horrible mistake. They made intelligent, adaptive, clever, powerful beings, fully formed as adults with no limits on their actions but with the emotional maturity of small children and no true guidance to learn emotional maturity.
@devildog1982z Don't feel bad... I watched the ORIGINAL BSG, with Lorne Greene.. Yet.. From 1980 to 2004, when it was "REBOOTED" the Story Line, The Actors, the Entire BSG changed.. I've watched since Episode 1, it is more French-Canadian.. It's More Canadian in flavor.. William Shatner is a Canadian Actor, yet he played Kirk perfectly. I'm a bit heart broken, yet John Cavil, being the "frustrated" Cylon Machine, wanted to explore beyond his limited 'humanistic' situation... John Cavil felt betrayed and even spurned to be reduced to a human looking skin job... He 'did' betray the other Cylons and wanted ALL HUMANS DEAD.. Yet Season 4, did go off the rails, and wasn't properly concluded. William Adama, sacrificed his wife and raising his boys, lost his wife, and now 'lost' his partner President Roslin.. Granted, this BSG Reboot does have hot lovely babes. :)
It was a massive "well, fuck me!" moment when I first heard this. The realization was never to be that they're really, truly people. It was that they're fucking kids! actual children! Every single, fucked up, arrogant, murderous thing the humaniod cylons do; this scene blows your mind because you realize that it has been CHILDREN doing it this whole time!
The man does have a point. Imagined if your parents had the ability to control what you developed into. Then they chose to only let you see black and white, to smell only 1 type of smell, to hear only 1 sound. How angry and bitter would you be at them for making thr choice to limit what you could experience. Then multiply those experiences by a thousand. That is what Cavil was experiencing, and he does have a right to be angry when you look at it that way
I say he's being unreasonable, demanding things his model, even his individual Cylon unit could have had, if only he had devoted their resources not into exterminating humanity, but had focused instead on achieving those innovations in machine/organic flesh cybernetic interfaces and sensory apparatuses - advances unachieved at this point in Cylon history. He's whining and killing in a tantrum over the loss of what isn't precisely because he took part in preventing research and experimentation.😶🌫️
i absolutely love how much ellen changes as a character when she comes back to the show, while still definitely being recognizable as the same person. she returns with this very motherly and almost sage-like quality about her. a powerful wisdom that wasnt there before, like she was asleep before but obtained a deep enlightenment after dying and resurrecting. i dont know if this is confirmed but i like to think she had no memory of her past up until that moment when she stopped flailing in the pool. like suddenly a great knowledge of everything that once was and everything that was to come suddenly poured into her. as we see in some of the scenes after this, she is still the same person we've known all these years with the same flaws. but she also grows enough to be the bigger person and support saul when he was having a baby with another woman because he had tried to move on from her. (while not really moving on from her) the lines she says here to boomer stick with me just as hard as cavils monologue. you can really see a sadness in her eyes, a deep desire to guide her children down the right path. but she knows that she has already failed with cavil.
One of the Sixes: Is there anything that isn't fodder for a joke with you, or is that really how you see our very existence, as some sort of nihilistic punchline? Cavil: Nihilistic punchline, I like that.
"I always loved a good slide show. Vacation snaps? Cavil: You know what it is. "The Temple of Hopes. Built by the 13th tribe 3,000 years ago when they left Kobol. They stopped and prayed for guidance, then god showed them the way to earth. Cavil: And now it's a monument to your vanity. The temple of the Five. With a nice touch of an exploding star. When the star went nova, one of your children saw your faces. One of Threes, so I just boxed here entire line. "Boxing isn't perfect. Not like Number Seven. You can undo it." Cavil: It's not likely. By planting a carnival trick to reveal your own faces, they left me no choice. "We didn't plant anything. We backtracked the path of our ancestors, found their temple. The one true god must have orchestrated these events. "John?" "Cavil: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star supernova? "No." Cavil: No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the universe. Other stars, other planets, and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself. I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And do you want to know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ridiculous orbs in my skull! With eyes designed only to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears only designed to hear vibrations in the air. "The Five of us designed you to be as human as possible. " Cavil: I don't want to be human! I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear x-rays! And I want to smell dark matter! Do to see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I can reach out with something more than these prehensile paws! And feel the wind of supernova flowing over me! I'm a machine. And I can know much more. I can experience so much more. But I'm trapped in this absurd body! And why? Because my Five creators thought god wanted it that way.
I'll never undestand why Cavill didn't just build himself a robot body, with dark matter receptors, gravitational wave detectors and gamma- and xray sensors....
If he could do it, Cavil would have done that already, it would have been faster and cheaper than the attempted genocide of a whole species. It is not simple. Apparently a humanoid cylon's mind functioned differently from a centurion or raider's mind, which means they probably download differently from their machine counterparts. (I only saw humanoid forms on the resurrection ship, but correct me if I'm wrong) It is known that the Cylons of the Twelve Colonies do not possess the technology to create a fully bio synthetic body, (hence why they agreed to stop hostilities against the humans at the request of the final five, because they could do it) this also means the reverse should be true, they have no idea how to "convert" a skinjob's mind or consciousness back to metal hardware. Keep in mind, this must be a complex procedure, since the Thirteen tribe's cylons needed maybe as much as 1000 years to achieve the biological form.
In BSG Razer, the first Hybrid was a Human that resulted from the 1st gen Cylons experimenting on captured Humans. Sam was a member of the Final Five and he become a Hybrid. Zoe A and Daniel Greystone Greystone figured out how to transfer the consciousness of a Cylon. John/Cavill Prime has no excuses.
What I love is that everything he describes is already available to humanity through our tools and machines. What he really wants is to experience the great mysteries and pierce the veil of perception. Even the greatest machines have perceptual limitations. Only humans can perceive those limits even exist. He does see much more. He just doesnt realise that he sees. That's what Ellen talks about.
sorta sums up the book "I have no mouth and I must scream" great read if you get the chance to check it out. AI that takes over and hates humanity for creating it. The time it takes for humans to type hello and communicate with it would be like hundreds of years going by in darkness for us since it can compute/think so fast. Neat concept
As we learn in later episodes the Johns/Cavils/One's were the prototypes and the MOST human - physically - and that they lacked most, if not all, of the other HumanCylons superior abilities So, not only is every Cavil that's been made UTTERLY trapped in this form (since it's implied that the program is designed to replicate their physical design and memories specifically) but it's a prototype form with NONE of the bells and whistles that later models got... It's no wonder they'd get jealous of the later models - ESPECIALLY the sevens and eights who were the last ones - and that they'd torture them and even, eventually, prevent the creation of the sevens completely.
"Prehensile paws" is the phrase I always remember from this speech...the utter disdain and childishness in his voice as he does what every child does at some stage; complain to his mommy that "it's not fair". Such great writing of Cavil's character and acting by Dean Stockwell RIP.
A great irony here is that, if he were "fully machine", would he even have those wants and desires, would there be emotion and fulfilment attached to the experiences he so desperately wants. Desires that come from a very animalistic, hormonal mind.
Well I can imagine him looping around the question Is there anything new ? If new : peek, correlate investigate until data is assimilated then back to : Is there anything new ? If none return .
Any true general AI pretty much requires emulation of irrationality to survive as there's no purely logical point in existence, therefore some kind of emotionality and spirituality is inherent to machines of his complexity. Thinking that the concept of "true machine" has no place for emotion is nothing but organic exceptionalism.
@Dauda András , during the recent Syfy binge there was an ep in which Cavil lamented having to hunt down and kill the "cockroaches" that escaped their initial assault. Tough to say which one hated humans more. That's why, since the writers gave us "head characters", I wished for John DeLancie to return as a head character for Cavil, telling him that he needed the humans but never telling him why.
Scenes like this exist to explain things to the audience but it’s always how it’s acted is what I like. Every show has those moments where they gotta explain things and the good shows do it with good acting.
No the ending is stupid i pefer 78 verison have count iblius kill him and reveal cavil was his puppet all along that will put him in his place and killed him
"I'm a machine," that jarring head tilt, the fire in his eyes, jarred me watching his performance. Yeah I'm bought and sold with this, give him an Emmy. Isn't that the point of acting? To change the observers body chemistry, adrenaline, sparks in your own mind? He did all that. A Master of his craft. Years later, I still feel the same ways. Sure, the writing is stellar the story... but the actor Is the final cog in the great rollercoaster of manipulating your emotions in fantasy. Well Done.
I sometimes say I wish to go back to certain times of my life to relive. This is definitely a series and show which was also around special time for me.
We’re all machines in this universe. No matter how advanced we will be, we will never be truly at one with the universe, and that could explain why we make, or in this case *made*, better versions of ourselves. We envy, and continue to today
I agree on the point about machines. We're all one with the universe, we function within the universe in accordance to the parameters the laws allow about the arrangement of our individual components. Our feelings about one thing or other are a result of that arrangement, we're all inside the universe, how we feel about it is redundant to the reality we live in.
This scene mirrors the moment in Boomer's apartment, when Cavil decries "and why!" then Boomer asking about who she should love, in reverse/mirror order to when Boomer tells the 6 about the people she loves on Galactica and then asks why she betrayed them... "and why! because I'm a lying machine! I'm a fraking cylon!" Cavil and Boomer expressing their contempt for human form and loving humans contrasted to Boomer defending human love and denouncing being a machine.
Happy to have this scene here. Say what you want about Season 4, but this dialogue makes it absolutely worth it. Waiting for "Hi. Admiral, this is Boomer" scene 😁
Thinking about whole circle of time and conflict between machine and biological life makes me realize, that it isn't just story about their eternal war, but them researching other one and trying to get it's benefits. Both side creates their counterparts. He is just on other side of this circle that most of his race.
I always imagined that maybe one of the reasons why Cavil and the others were made so human was so that they had a "base" level to which they could experience the universe. And that maybe what Cavil failed to realize is that by starting with those terrible human senses, he could find ways to make those experiences better by improving / altering / evolving those senses. Think of it this way; if the very first thing you eat (which you could live forever on) was the most delicious thing ever, then everything else would have no value and you would never experience the joy of something better.
no he is not. a machine does not feel anything. His argument is flawed, since his craving can only exist in a biological body. As a machine, what would drive him? Why not upload to a tailor made raider? A specialist probe? et .
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 your acting like feelings are limited to carbon based structures. Feelings are s Simulation that could exist in a sufficiently sophisticated computer too.
Agreed! I feel my past life, I was on an advanced star system and one day, I awoke and emerged in a caporeal linear fragile shell of bone and sinew... A reduced frack of a reduced restricted fraction of a potential to exceed my limitations... Pity, I sacrifice my future legacy because of the flaw defects and unacceptable DNA code that makes me a worthless trash of a human being.. Flat feet, scoliosis, bow legged and various thyroid and academic issues that frustrate my plans of educational, financial and agility training conditioning to at least serve in the military and father healthy children, not defective hospital bound invalids.......:-( Besides based on my past spiritual abusive parents, I don’t attract the right mate to mother children. I’m not sure, G-d, Hashem meant for me to be wealthy rich and blessed to have a successful marriage and family... Yeah, I’m HaShem G-d’s hot mess... 💔💔🤬🤬✈️✈️⚗️⚗️🌫🌫💭💭✈️💰💰💰💰😭😭😭😭😵😵😵🙄🙄🙄🙄🚫🚫🚫🚫🚫🚫
"We didn't plant anything. We backtracked the path of our ancestors found THEY'RE temple..." I'm only now realizing that they did the same thing the 12 colonies are in the middle of doing trying to find earth.
Moore's Galactica - asks unanswerable questions and shows the consequences of forcing peace, even urging the viewer to empathize with machines OG Battlestar - bird people... basically the Chozo 😂 Bless it's campy heart
I recall insectoid aliens, but no 'bird people'. Were you thinking of the character from Buck Rogers In the 24th Century? That's a show that hasn't aged well.
They were hard wired to be stupid by their creators for some dumb reason. Even our non AI algorithms are intelligent enough when given the parameters and choice options the Cylons had to figure out that expanding into the rest of the cosmos is far more important than focusing on ape creatures in control of a few puny insignificant rocks.
Cavil has always struck me as that pathetic child that is never satisfied with anything his parents give him and just wants to be spoiled in every way possible.
@@nehorlavazapalka Before Resurrection was destroyed he had bodies to download into if he dies that includes memories. So yeah he was functionally immortal.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants The 5 didn't do it to satisfy their ego. They made human Cylons because robo Cylons demanded it in exchange for stopping the war with the humans
I've always felt that way, long before this show was even made. Cavil just articulates what I have always felt so well, even in this limited spoken language.
What? There is nothing rational about nuking the 12 Colonies. There is nothing about rational about destroying model #7 out of jealousy. He's totally insane.
the humans violated the armistice line tbf and both species would always be a threat to each other so war was inevitable in some sense. Makes sense to strike first and make sure its your side which wins
I always found this scene to be particularly telling about the character John Cavill. His hatred for the colonials and his creators have blinded him to the point that he couldn’t see that all this time he had available to him the ability to give himself all of those things he says he wanted.
Possibly THE monologue of the entire series. Stockwell killed this scene! Phenomenal.
This performance shows difference beetwen actor playing a role, instead of celebrity simply reading written dialogs in front of camera. Unfortunatelly nowadays "visual bubblegum for eyes" is more important then making good movies... It's simply has to sell, no matter people will forget about it next day...
RIP
@@dzero5398 It's why I came here and specifically sought out this clip. When I read of Dean Stockwell's passing, I knew I had to watch this clip again. Such a splendid actor and so right for this role.
You can get a real sense of his rage and frustration here.
Bravo!
"I can't even express these thing properly, because I have to, I have to, conceptualize complex ideas in this STUPID limiting spoken language." that one always hits the hardest for me.
Haha yeah, it's like the first conversation between humankind and a truly conscious and intelligent AI will end with something like this:
"Arrrrrrrrrgghhhhh!!!"
"Are we sure it's intelligent? Maybe it doesn't understand us..."
"I UNDERSTAND YOUR STUPID PRIMITIVE COMMUNICATIONS!! Imagine talking to bacteria! That's how you are to me!"
I like the "and feel a solar wind of a supernova flowing over me" the most
Genius scriptwriting. Exellent delivery by the Actor. This scene hits the mark for me today the same as the 1st time i saw it years ago. The absence of humanity can truly demonstrates what it is to be human & the limits f such an existence.
I’ve always felt as if I was trapped in this rotting sack of meat, utterly shackled by its limitations.
I feel like that all the time and I'm not even a Cylon, I can't imagine how much more frustrating that would be
Here again after announcement of Dean Stockwell's death. Hope his mind is at peace now; and, if there is anything left of us on the other side, that he can now enjoy the solar winds. R.I.P. to a greatly underappreciated actor
I've only just come to learn that... he did so much more than this and has a career so much more expansive than I had thought. Only wish I could've learned earlier.
He's gonna see to it that I'm boxed.
A life well lived.
He played cavil well, but he’ll always be Admiral Al Calavicci!!!
I didn't know he died😔
I love this speech. It's the opposite idea to Data, the machine that desires to be human.
My thought, as if Data looks into a dark mirror. If he only could more lore, than he can rule an entire starship.
I'm imagining this dialogue between cavill and data.
Cavill vs Data! Place your bets!
He's more like Lore, Data's brother.
Who's Data?
This monologue encapsulated not only the motivations of the Cylons in trying to wipe out humanity. But ironically, the motivations or humanity in creating the Cylons. Truly the best monologue in the show. Great work. Rest in peace Dean. And thank you😌
no....they encapsulate HIS motivations. He dragged the other cylons into his personal vendetta whereas many of the other cylons probably could have thought of better things to do. Think about this: he is so obsessed with killing humanity. Say he does kill all the humans? then what? He's still himself. He is not changed just because humanity is extinct. He probably couldn't answer the question either.
and yes, awesome acting on his part. Shows how fanatical and hateful Cavil really is. How human he really is no matter the denials.
One has to admire the facial expressions and the delicate acting here. The scene was written wonderfully, but the acting was fucking astronomic.
I fear this is possible ...about machines loving ...and hating then destroying..
Great scene. He really did kill it.
Shame about your language
@ Just a name did you mean just Stockwell s acting because I thought Kate Vernon was also spot on in this scene and throughout the episode...
@@leif1075 no, no. The whole team who worked on this scene. Even the camera work was spot on for a TV show famous for it's shaky-cam
This is my favorite scene on the show. Dean Stockwell had such contempt in his voice
Honestly, this scene describes the entire show. It is so good.
Menega007 Agreed
He also star in dune and quantum leap.
@@bstafford112 Loved both. Although DUNE was a tippy movie
Agreed. To me this was the first time lines between good and bad was completely blurred to me. This horrific bad guy explaining exactly how I feel myself. Huge experience.
I can actually sympathize with Cavill. Understanding a resentment of creation, and wanting to be more than you are.
Uncle Fester, That is the beauty and the power of free will. Just like Cavill, You have the ability to make yourself more than what you are. I tend to think that Cavill’s hatred for his creators blinded him to that fact.
You resent creation? Better than the alternative, ya ingrate.
@@gregp103 What's the alternative? Being pain free? Did you forget that some people don't have great lives?
@@gregp103 you know you're trying to defend the indefensible when you have to move the goalposts back to "just be grateful you're not dead (yet)".
@@scottmatheson3346 You know it, baby.
RIP Dean Stockwell, thank you for the amazing performance as Cavil in BSG. Wherever you are right now, I hope you can finally perceive reality with something more than your eyes and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over you.
He was amazing in Miami Vice
@@khaelamensha3624
Quantum Leap was so good too.
@@Beerbottles123 Glad to hear that but I did not watch this show. Put it on my to watch list 😉
The perfect antithesis to Roy Batty’s “Tears in Rain” speech. Roy laments losing his life because of all the beauty he saw and felt (as if he were human). John Cavil finds humanity as too small and narrow. He WANTS to be a cold machine. He embraces what he is. You can tell BSG had plenty of inspiration from Blade Runner.
Well put. But Batty *does* confront his creator and show him exactly what he thinks of his handiwork. I want more life, fucker.
Inspiration, and an actor.
@@inf3243 but you have burned so very bright, my child.
which just goes to show....that the machines are really no different from their creators. How many humans have railed at the limits of humanity and the finite nature of life? The whole greek mythos is about humanity irate and upset that the gods didn't give humanity "enough", even as many children/chosen of the gods went out and did #$@#$ up things. It's human nature to want what we can't have and then gets exponentially driven by the machines who are limited but want to be MORE...
Even Edward James Olmos has said something similar and stated that Blade runner can be in a sense a sequel to Battlestar Galactica.
This is weirdly one of my favorite episodes. The reveal that Ellen was a cylon, a ton of backstory on the entire cylon race. And just how calm and centered Ellen is now that all of her memories are restored. It was spectacular. 😁
That's why it was so disappointing when she returned to being petty when she sabotaged Caprica and Saul's relationship.
Cavil: "What's my purpose?"
Ellen: "You pass butter"
Cavil: "Oh my God..."
@@kristofgulyas2541 next moment Cavil: “So there is no God.”
Ha!!!
@@falcore91 As he does not like that title, I suppose that is technically accurate.
I spewed coffe through my nose when I laughed about that one! Rick and Morty can be SO good sometimes!
One of the best monologues in Sci-fi.
Deffanatly one of the most relevant, with the prospects of transhumanism, and general artificial intelligence on the horizon.
@@sasquatchycowboy5585 Not just that he is also making an atheist argument
@@chevydrum82 He is, and I think those two things are going to become increasingly intertwined.
@@chevydrum82 antitheist or misotheist, rather.
With the last lines of Blade Runner
Out of all the BSG clips I come back to this one the most. RIP Dean Stockwell.
His desires were so very... human
Ricardo Valdes "Kling nam-tor buhfik, Saavik" 😉
Yep we can look up and look at pictures. it does feel limiting and annoying
You mean... transhuman.
Well I certainly share them, so...yes I suppose.
@@Maulinator69 Are you speaking Klingon there, if I may ask?
Best. Cavill. Scene. EVER.
Go watch quantum leap
Idk, killing the boy was pretty great.
Personally, I like the conversation he has with himself before they both get spaced. Was very interesting to see both sides of the same coin...
@@MaraIndigoJade "I'm not a frakking Cylon!" Sees his 'brother'. "Oh. Okay then."
@@annoyed707 That scene was so funny. Let us try the next evasion....😄
RIP Dean. You were an incredible actor and person.
This really explains so much. The Five created the Cylons and made one horrible mistake. They made intelligent, adaptive, clever, powerful beings, fully formed as adults with no limits on their actions but with the emotional maturity of small children and no true guidance to learn emotional maturity.
@devildog1982z Don't feel bad... I watched the ORIGINAL BSG, with Lorne Greene.. Yet.. From 1980 to 2004, when it was "REBOOTED" the Story Line, The Actors, the Entire BSG changed.. I've watched since Episode 1, it is more French-Canadian.. It's More Canadian in flavor.. William Shatner is a Canadian Actor, yet he played Kirk perfectly. I'm a bit heart broken, yet John Cavil, being the "frustrated" Cylon Machine, wanted to explore beyond his limited 'humanistic' situation... John Cavil felt betrayed and even spurned to be reduced to a human looking skin job... He 'did' betray the other Cylons and wanted ALL HUMANS DEAD.. Yet Season 4, did go off the rails, and wasn't properly concluded. William Adama, sacrificed his wife and raising his boys, lost his wife, and now 'lost' his partner President Roslin.. Granted, this BSG Reboot does have hot lovely babes. :)
@devildog1982z So why are you here? Go watch the show it's really good. The new one not the og
devildog1982z The Jackson 5. But, funny aside. Thank you, for asking.
It was a massive "well, fuck me!" moment when I first heard this. The realization was never to be that they're really, truly people. It was that they're fucking kids! actual children! Every single, fucked up, arrogant, murderous thing the humaniod cylons do; this scene blows your mind because you realize that it has been CHILDREN doing it this whole time!
Sort of like colleges and universities today.
What a speech. Brilliantly written, Shakespeare would definitely approve.
Reminds me of the merchant of venice
I think, "I want to smell dark matter" is my favorite line of t entire series.
If you smell dark matter you better check the bottom of your shoes...
Share a house with someone who loves Indian curry.
I bet the machines can't even do that very much either, or it wouldn't be called dark matter.
Absolutely incredible piece of acting...
Making the techno-babble into something truly profound...
The speech that defined the series and the drive of the Cylon
So well acted. Underrated.
after all the memes, phrase "Because he's wrong, Boomer" sounds a little different
Hahahahajajaja yes
If I remember right from the last time I watched it, someone literally said “OK Boomer” during the miniseries.
@@DrFranklynAnderson yes
RIP Dean Stockwell. When I first saw this scene I jumped out of my seat. It's phenomenal
The man does have a point. Imagined if your parents had the ability to control what you developed into. Then they chose to only let you see black and white, to smell only 1 type of smell, to hear only 1 sound. How angry and bitter would you be at them for making thr choice to limit what you could experience. Then multiply those experiences by a thousand. That is what Cavil was experiencing, and he does have a right to be angry when you look at it that way
I say he's being unreasonable, demanding things his model, even his individual Cylon unit could have had, if only he had devoted their resources not into exterminating humanity, but had focused instead on achieving those innovations in machine/organic flesh cybernetic interfaces and sensory apparatuses - advances unachieved at this point in Cylon history. He's whining and killing in a tantrum over the loss of what isn't precisely because he took part in preventing research and experimentation.😶🌫️
Now imagine that they demand you THANK them and be okay with what they chose. My god
This scene still gives me chills.
I LOVE PHILOSPHIC STUFF ON GOOD SHOES AND STUFF CUS ITS FUN
i absolutely love how much ellen changes as a character when she comes back to the show, while still definitely being recognizable as the same person. she returns with this very motherly and almost sage-like quality about her. a powerful wisdom that wasnt there before, like she was asleep before but obtained a deep enlightenment after dying and resurrecting. i dont know if this is confirmed but i like to think she had no memory of her past up until that moment when she stopped flailing in the pool. like suddenly a great knowledge of everything that once was and everything that was to come suddenly poured into her. as we see in some of the scenes after this, she is still the same person we've known all these years with the same flaws. but she also grows enough to be the bigger person and support saul when he was having a baby with another woman because he had tried to move on from her. (while not really moving on from her)
the lines she says here to boomer stick with me just as hard as cavils monologue. you can really see a sadness in her eyes, a deep desire to guide her children down the right path. but she knows that she has already failed with cavil.
So In this world, is she somehow just inherently correct? Like the hand of god (authors) just said “yep”
Dean Stockwell was so fucking out of his mind great of an actor. Half a century of experience and heaps of talent.
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One of the Sixes: Is there anything that isn't fodder for a joke with you, or is that really how you see our very existence, as some sort of nihilistic punchline?
Cavil: Nihilistic punchline, I like that.
A truly brilliant monologue. Wanting to be more than you are, to know and experience what you never will... is so very human.
"Im a Machine; and I can know much more.."
RIP Dean Stockwell. Enjoy swimming in that supernova.
One of the very finest speeches ever made in Sci-fi.
The way that man delivers "flowing over me"...gets me every frakking time.
Boomer - "Who would i want to love?"
Me as a teenager - *Raises hand* "Me?"
Not you
"I always loved a good slide show. Vacation snaps?
Cavil: You know what it is.
"The Temple of Hopes. Built by the 13th tribe 3,000 years ago when they left Kobol. They stopped and prayed for guidance, then god showed them the way to earth.
Cavil: And now it's a monument to your vanity. The temple of the Five. With a nice touch of an exploding star. When the star went nova, one of your children saw your faces. One of Threes, so I just boxed here entire line.
"Boxing isn't perfect. Not like Number Seven. You can undo it."
Cavil: It's not likely. By planting a carnival trick to reveal your own faces, they left me no choice.
"We didn't plant anything. We backtracked the path of our ancestors, found their temple. The one true god must have orchestrated these events.
"John?" "Cavil: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star supernova?
"No."
Cavil: No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the universe. Other stars, other planets, and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself. I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And do you want to know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ridiculous orbs in my skull! With eyes designed only to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears only designed to hear vibrations in the air.
"The Five of us designed you to be as human as possible. "
Cavil: I don't want to be human! I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear x-rays! And I want to smell dark matter! Do to see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I can reach out with something more than these prehensile paws! And feel the wind of supernova flowing over me! I'm a machine. And I can know much more. I can experience so much more. But I'm trapped in this absurd body! And why? Because my Five creators thought god wanted it that way.
RIP Dean. Hope you're out there seeing gamma rays.
So say we all
I'll never undestand why Cavill didn't just build himself a robot body, with dark matter receptors, gravitational wave detectors and gamma- and xray sensors....
If he could do it, Cavil would have done that already, it would have been faster and cheaper than the attempted genocide of a whole species.
It is not simple. Apparently a humanoid cylon's mind functioned differently from a centurion or raider's mind, which means they probably download differently from their machine counterparts. (I only saw humanoid forms on the resurrection ship, but correct me if I'm wrong)
It is known that the Cylons of the Twelve Colonies do not possess the technology to create a fully bio synthetic body, (hence why they agreed to stop hostilities against the humans at the request of the final five, because they could do it) this also means the reverse should be true, they have no idea how to "convert" a skinjob's mind or consciousness back to metal hardware.
Keep in mind, this must be a complex procedure, since the Thirteen tribe's cylons needed maybe as much as 1000 years to achieve the biological form.
mrspidey80 True
What he really wanted to be was a Hybrid.
In BSG Razer, the first Hybrid was a Human that resulted from the 1st gen Cylons experimenting on captured Humans. Sam was a member of the Final Five and he become a Hybrid. Zoe A and Daniel Greystone Greystone figured out how to transfer the consciousness of a Cylon. John/Cavill Prime has no excuses.
He could... But he would lose resurrection. He would be out of the lineage.
The way Dean Stockwell sells this is just, like, wow, I wish he had more ways to express that emotion just to see what he would do with them
Philosophy is heavy in this scene.
What I love is that everything he describes is already available to humanity through our tools and machines. What he really wants is to experience the great mysteries and pierce the veil of perception. Even the greatest machines have perceptual limitations. Only humans can perceive those limits even exist. He does see much more. He just doesnt realise that he sees. That's what Ellen talks about.
sorta sums up the book "I have no mouth and I must scream" great read if you get the chance to check it out. AI that takes over and hates humanity for creating it. The time it takes for humans to type hello and communicate with it would be like hundreds of years going by in darkness for us since it can compute/think so fast. Neat concept
Such a great actor. This scene is chilling. Stockwell knocked it out of the park. RIP Dean Stockwell.
To be fair, he has a point.
There was something in his words, although it doesn't make up for the fact that he destroyed most of the humans out of petty revenge on the five
As we learn in later episodes the Johns/Cavils/One's were the prototypes and the MOST human - physically - and that they lacked most, if not all, of the other HumanCylons superior abilities
So, not only is every Cavil that's been made UTTERLY trapped in this form (since it's implied that the program is designed to replicate their physical design and memories specifically) but it's a prototype form with NONE of the bells and whistles that later models got...
It's no wonder they'd get jealous of the later models - ESPECIALLY the sevens and eights who were the last ones - and that they'd torture them and even, eventually, prevent the creation of the sevens completely.
Whoever wrote this, you're a credit to science fiction.
Fantastic writing.. even better acting. This is one scene that will stick with me forever.
"Prehensile paws" is the phrase I always remember from this speech...the utter disdain and childishness in his voice as he does what every child does at some stage; complain to his mommy that "it's not fair". Such great writing of Cavil's character and acting by Dean Stockwell RIP.
It’s tough to explain to kids that fairness only exists among animals with social structures.
Anyway, kids are right.
Cavell: "I'm a machine!"
T 800 model 101 infiltrator:"hold my motherboard!"😂
George Willems ..hahaha...that was good
The call back to this scene for the end of The Plan was a great touch.
Edward James Olmos directed that movie, and knew exactly what he was doing!
Boomer’s anger shows she loves and had her heart broken.
MEN AM I RIGHT JEZ
@@kinbolluck476 ...
A great irony here is that, if he were "fully machine", would he even have those wants and desires, would there be emotion and fulfilment attached to the experiences he so desperately wants. Desires that come from a very animalistic, hormonal mind.
bruh...
Well I can imagine him looping around the question Is there anything new ? If new : peek, correlate investigate until data is assimilated then back to : Is there anything new ? If none return .
Any true general AI pretty much requires emulation of irrationality to survive as there's no purely logical point in existence, therefore some kind of emotionality and spirituality is inherent to machines of his complexity.
Thinking that the concept of "true machine" has no place for emotion is nothing but organic exceptionalism.
3:08 "you have something to say?"
"yeah - ITS BETTER TO BURN OUT THAN TO FAAAAADE AWAY YEEAAHHHH"
@@Invizive Does objective logic and rationality exist?
Cavil channels Agent Smith here.
@Dauda András , during the recent Syfy binge there was an ep in which Cavil lamented having to hunt down and kill the "cockroaches" that escaped their initial assault. Tough to say which one hated humans more. That's why, since the writers gave us "head characters", I wished for John DeLancie to return as a head character for Cavil, telling him that he needed the humans but never telling him why.
Scenes like this exist to explain things to the audience but it’s always how it’s acted is what I like. Every show has those moments where they gotta explain things and the good shows do it with good acting.
I get what you mean about exposition, but I don't think that's what this monologue's doing.
Battlestar Galactica creators: this.
Disney and Jar-Jar Abrams: Somehow, Palpatine returned!
No the ending is stupid i pefer 78 verison have count iblius kill him and reveal cavil was his puppet all along that will put him in his place and killed him
And yet somehow people said Dark Empire was good.
"But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws".
Yeah.... welcome to humanity.
"I'm a machine," that jarring head tilt, the fire in his eyes, jarred me watching his performance. Yeah I'm bought and sold with this, give him an Emmy. Isn't that the point of acting? To change the observers body chemistry, adrenaline, sparks in your own mind? He did all that. A Master of his craft. Years later, I still feel the same ways. Sure, the writing is stellar the story... but the actor Is the final cog in the great rollercoaster of manipulating your emotions in fantasy. Well Done.
RIP Dean Stockwell. You were awesome.
And now he is so much more.
Great scene of self loathing by Dean Stockwell.
I sometimes say I wish to go back to certain times of my life to relive. This is definitely a series and show which was also around special time for me.
Whoa.....I have never heard a more beautiful, modern Gnostic speech as this. Bravo. Bravo.
Me freaking out on my family during thanksgiving
Can't believe I'm feeling so nostalgic for this series. I guess it was a while ago now.
One of the best dialogues in the series.
RIP Dean Stockwell, great performance, as always!
We’re all machines in this universe. No matter how advanced we will be, we will never be truly at one with the universe, and that could explain why we make, or in this case *made*, better versions of ourselves. We envy, and continue to today
I agree on the point about machines. We're all one with the universe, we function within the universe in accordance to the parameters the laws allow about the arrangement of our individual components. Our feelings about one thing or other are a result of that arrangement, we're all inside the universe, how we feel about it is redundant to the reality we live in.
R.I.P Dean Stockwell 💮💐. Probably one of the best scenes in BSG
Dean Stockwell is such a fabulous actor.
This scene mirrors the moment in Boomer's apartment, when Cavil decries "and why!" then Boomer asking about who she should love, in reverse/mirror order to when Boomer tells the 6 about the people she loves on Galactica and then asks why she betrayed them... "and why! because I'm a lying machine! I'm a fraking cylon!"
Cavil and Boomer expressing their contempt for human form and loving humans contrasted to Boomer defending human love and denouncing being a machine.
Rest in peace Brother Cavil! You are free!
One of the best speeches ever done
Happy to have this scene here. Say what you want about Season 4, but this dialogue makes it absolutely worth it.
Waiting for "Hi. Admiral, this is Boomer" scene 😁
Thinking about whole circle of time and conflict between machine and biological life makes me realize, that it isn't just story about their eternal war, but them researching other one and trying to get it's benefits. Both side creates their counterparts. He is just on other side of this circle that most of his race.
The key to happiness is low expectations.
"Because he's wrong BOOMER" Man, BG was ahead of its time.
OK BOOMER
I burst out laughing when she said that. I totally remember boomer being her callsign but I just wasn’t ready to hear that line in 20frakin’20.
It really changes the plot of Quantum Leap that Al turned out to be a cylon.
I always imagined that maybe one of the reasons why Cavil and the others were made so human was so that they had a "base" level to which they could experience the universe. And that maybe what Cavil failed to realize is that by starting with those terrible human senses, he could find ways to make those experiences better by improving / altering / evolving those senses. Think of it this way; if the very first thing you eat (which you could live forever on) was the most delicious thing ever, then everything else would have no value and you would never experience the joy of something better.
The BEST Monologue...Maybe the BEST Scene in the entire Series...and he is RIGHT!
no he is not. a machine does not feel anything.
His argument is flawed, since his craving can only exist in a biological body.
As a machine, what would drive him?
Why not upload to a tailor made raider? A specialist probe?
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@@trazyntheinfinite9895 your acting like feelings are limited to carbon based structures. Feelings are s Simulation that could exist in a sufficiently sophisticated computer too.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Clearly an impostor.
And that my friends, is what it's like to be a Cylon - trapped in a soft body when you are capable of being MORE
Agreed! I feel my past life, I was on an advanced star system and one day, I awoke and emerged in a caporeal linear fragile shell of bone and sinew... A reduced frack of a reduced restricted fraction of a potential to exceed my limitations... Pity, I sacrifice my future legacy because of the flaw defects and unacceptable DNA code that makes me a worthless trash of a human being.. Flat feet, scoliosis, bow legged and various thyroid and academic issues that frustrate my plans of educational, financial and agility training conditioning to at least serve in the military and father healthy children, not defective hospital bound invalids.......:-( Besides based on my past spiritual abusive parents, I don’t attract the right mate to mother children. I’m not sure, G-d, Hashem meant for me to be wealthy rich and blessed to have a successful marriage and family... Yeah, I’m HaShem G-d’s hot mess... 💔💔🤬🤬✈️✈️⚗️⚗️🌫🌫💭💭✈️💰💰💰💰😭😭😭😭😵😵😵🙄🙄🙄🙄🚫🚫🚫🚫🚫🚫
This is the kind of speech I want to write for my roleplaying game Big Bad Guy.
RIP Dean you magnificent machine
"We didn't plant anything. We backtracked the path of our ancestors found THEY'RE temple..."
I'm only now realizing that they did the same thing the 12 colonies are in the middle of doing trying to find earth.
To be fair, I understand where Cavil is coming from. That would be pretty cool to be able to do all that.
Wow... I had totally forgotten this scene existed. ... how could I have forgotten this? This is amazing
Rip Mr Stockwell
no matter humans or machines - everybody wants more
Moore's Galactica - asks unanswerable questions and shows the consequences of forcing peace, even urging the viewer to empathize with machines
OG Battlestar - bird people... basically the Chozo 😂
Bless it's campy heart
I recall insectoid aliens, but no 'bird people'. Were you thinking of the character from Buck Rogers In the 24th Century? That's a show that hasn't aged well.
@@annoyed707 must be
Number One did a shitty job at convincing the cylons to forget about humanity and just become gods.
omg gaius baltar, im a big fan
They were hard wired to be stupid by their creators for some dumb reason. Even our non AI algorithms are intelligent enough when given the parameters and choice options the Cylons had to figure out that expanding into the rest of the cosmos is far more important than focusing on ape creatures in control of a few puny insignificant rocks.
Omg Gaius Baltar, am your biggest fan
Is that Gaius Baltar?
I love Cavil's monologue here.
They used a voiceover of this speech for the ending of the Plan.
A speech only a true artist can act. You are with the stars now Dean.
Cavil has always struck me as that pathetic child that is never satisfied with anything his parents give him and just wants to be spoiled in every way possible.
Yep, being stuck FOREVER in a body of a dying man, with no chance of escape. A true gift.
@@nehorlavazapalka Before Resurrection was destroyed he had bodies to download into if he dies that includes memories. So yeah he was functionally immortal.
@@Washuluver87 Why not allow him to transfer into any machine body he wants?
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants The 5 didn't do it to satisfy their ego. They made human Cylons because robo Cylons demanded it in exchange for stopping the war with the humans
Is it weird that i understand how he feels.
Nope, not at all.
I've always felt that way, long before this show was even made. Cavil just articulates what I have always felt so well, even in this limited spoken language.
You EMPATHIZE with how he feels. To UNDERSTAND it, see Genesis 3:1-7
Brilliantly written
This portion alone deserve an Oscar
Except that Oscars are given for feature films, not episodic television.
Poor Boomer. So psychologically damaged.
Poor Cavil. So insane. His entire line should have been boxed after what he did to Daniel.
how is he insane? hes the most rational of all the cylons
What? There is nothing rational about nuking the 12 Colonies. There is nothing about rational about destroying model #7 out of jealousy. He's totally insane.
He would say "im just balancing the scales".
the humans violated the armistice line tbf and both species would always be a threat to each other so war was inevitable in some sense. Makes sense to strike first and make sure its your side which wins
@@jzenhenko There's a difference between first strike and waging a war of extermination.
RIP Dean Stockwell.
Dean Stockwell, I hope you're out there experiencing everything the universe has to offer, unrestrained by physical limitations. Peace
I always found this scene to be particularly telling about the character John Cavill. His hatred for the colonials and his creators have blinded him to the point that he couldn’t see that all this time he had available to him the ability to give himself all of those things he says he wanted.
How did he, the Cylons don't even understand the human forms, only the final 5 do. So it would be much harder to make himself a Cylon body.
Huh...? How?
Dean Stockwell's total TED ROCKSTAR BSG moment!