@@sanitizerwilson1599yes she was the same version. She was the only 6 with a name (caprice) because she was a war hero to the cylons for getting into the defense mainframe
Considering that the only successful cylon child was born from a loving relationship it's interesting how this pregnancy failed the moment she doubted his love for her.
Well, I have been catching-up on this show through re-broadcast of the entire series on 'Comet' channel...and even though I get the definate feeling THIS episode is probably right around the corner (Laura was patching-up Baltars gut-wound just before her and Adama's LONG-awaited embrace, after Adama landed his Razor in the battle-scarred base-ship) I am sitting here laughing over the interactions between everybody here in the infirmary...and it amazes me how 'innocent' they all seem...I am betting there's a different director of this episode ? in any case, now I have a MUCH better understanding of (maybe ?) where 'Bladerunner 2049' got the idea that Dekard & Rachel would've...'copulated' to bring-about the first-ever Organic-Cyber 'Hybrid'. Wish I'd watched Battlestar beforehand, then I would'nt've been so intensely 'offended' by the mere-concept, as I was when I watched the Bladerunner sequel two yrs ago...because now it makes more sense to me that Ridley Scott DID'NT pull the idea completely out of thin-air...lol
These five are the originals, the ones that survived the destroyed Earth, the others are just cheap knock-offs. And I have to wonder, how many of them are actually the final five? If I remember right we eventually find out that one of them is actually a 2nd gen. I am glad I have this series on DvD, but I have to find them and watch this series again.
@@annoyed707Well, the last time Tyrol put his love life over his duty/important decisions, Boomer blew up a bunch of stuff, shot Adama, and got herself killed by Cally. So maybe he's trying to learn from past mistakes?
GplusGains The show is heavily influenced by Greek mythology. Their names alone are a major giveaway: Athena, Apollo, Hera, Helo, Ellen, Pegasus, Atlantia, etc. The 12 tribes like the 12 Olympian gods, Kara THRACE prays to Athena or Artemis I think...it’s everywhere in the series
Was it just loyalty for Saul at that point? I would like to think the way he was trying to reason with them was because he was taking a broader view of the whole situation from over all the hundreds of years. Pure Cylon pure Human, both hadn't worked, both ended in the same disaster. Putting all ones faith in the hybrid child was a bit of a stretch, but at least it was something new.
@@hibbidyjibbidyy Yeah but he had to really love Caprica, or else they wouldn't of had the baby. When he told her to go he was just lashing out cuz they were ganging up on him. Ellen did this. She clearly even realizes it as Caprica starts holding her belly, Ellen knew right away what she did. She's the only one with all of her memories back. 2000 years of bitterness, she was right about one thing, the Cylons were like their children and she should have known better than to play this game with them.
this ep was what as know as a "cheap production", it was only made to save money with little to no set expense. It only showed that the writers think that all females are petty.
IKR?! Typical Cylon LOL. Jokes aside. I wonder if Saul managing to impregnate Six meant that there was true 'feeling' involved, hence she is extra bitter..either that or that she knows that she won't be able to birth a cylon anymore.
Ellen's natural vindictiveness made her completely deaf to the circumstances. 1) as far as Saul knew, she was DEAD when he hooked up with Caprica Six 2) Saul had no idea his relation to Caprica Six, so initial shock is understandable, but continuing to pound the point home as if Saul knew was her bitterness. Maybe - just maybe - Ellen being that vengeful, spiteful piece of work is why they couldn't have kids, and not whether or not Saul loved her or not. She may have regained her 13th Colony memories, but she was still the same old Ellen. (edit: fixed annoying spelling error)
It's simple. Saul loved Ellen... but Ellen never loved Saul. Not more than herself. She was projecting onto him, that there was "something more" compared to her and Caprica in Saul's heart... she was always #1 in her own heart.
I find it prophetic that Cavill who was modeled on her father, also had spite and rage. Maybe she is more like her father than she is willing to admit.
See the other comments here about how Greek mythology inspired this series. This squabbling nature of the Five is not very different from how the Olympian gods behaved.
No, I think Ellen past resurrection is vastly different. She is much more thoughtful, toned down, nostalgic, somber... wiser probably. But she still is prone to being overly emotional to the point of acting irrationally and spiteful because of her hurt pride. I think she comes around by the end, however.
Tori grossed me out and this scene made it so clear the cowards the Cylon clones truly were. Athena said it so well when she called that group of Eights, "Disgusting."
The actress Rekha Sharma played the character very well, she played a similarly treacherous character in the show: the 100. From the 1st scene she's in i counted down the clock to her demise & it didnt disappoint! Respect to her acting ability that even tho she's hot, you still want to kick her in the clunge!
You can’t really blame them for not wanting to stay. Many humans in the fleet still hated Cylons and at that point it wasn’t that long ago when the policy concerning Cylons was still to throw them out of an airlock without any sort of trial.
@@adeosinowo3197, How was Tori treacherous, really though? To Roslin? She was really following her instincts here, as to what she thought her path in life should be. I found her behavior far less objectionable than Anders was, well, at least until he recovered and took his final part, anyway. As far as Callie was concerned, what choice did Tori have? Callie would have exposed them all, and that was long before their even potentially having a value as bargaining chips came into play. So, the 4 of them would have been flushed out. She did decide to save the kid, which she wasn't at all obligated to do. Callie had to go.
Ironic that the toasters that were so quick to choose to leave and abandon humanity immediately seek out the human doctor the moment their pure toaster baby is in trouble.
Chris, Well, it was clearly an emergency. What else would they've done, exactly? Aside from which, I don't think any of them had reason to doubt Cottle's moral and ethical bona fides, whether it involved doing his utmost in treating humans or Cylons.
Not to invoke Godwin's law, but this line of logic is the same thing as a group of not sees trusting a Jewish doctor. (It's doubly relevant given the cylon xenocide against humanity) sure it's possible for it to happen but it proves their hypocrisy and the weakness of their ideals.
As someone else pointed out: Did Saul have any idea what his relationship to Six was when she got pregnant? Saul thought Ellen was dead when he was sleeping with Six. My memory of the series is vague, but wasn't Ellen doing Cavil while she was held on the base ship? Isn't that the same thing? Or worse, since not only is Cavil technically her son, but he is also kind of the reincarnation of her father, so Ellen was kind of doing both her son AND her dad at the same time? Ellen is going on about how all they need is Six's baby, and yet Ellen is the one who destroy's Six's belief in Saul, leading to her losing the baby. As someone else pointed out, Saul was seeing the big picture, that they needed something more than just human or just cylon. Ellen was just being pure vindictive because Saul's world didn't revolve around her, which is ironic because she was worse than anything she thought he was guilty of.
I'm pretty sure Ellen was banging Cavil on New Caprica (ostensibly in order to help Saul and possibly other prisoners), not on the Baseship after her resurrection.
You are correct, it's the stand alone episode "the plan" from the cylons perspective. Helen was skanking about in Picon and ran into Cavill in a bar. When the nukes hit, she was resurrected into a basestar.
@@CrazyChemistPL That is my memory too. She wasn't entirely doing it for lust, she was trying to save people that were important to her. Saul I think was banging 6 mostly so he wouldn't think about his murdering Ellen.
You didn't follow the story, did you? Humans had excellent technology, but during the first Cylon war everything from the toaster to the nukes kept getting hacked by the Cylons, who are literally AI. So they had a massive regression in fleet technology, making everything Analog including tube based television sets and relay based telephones. I think they mentioned it in the first episode, in fact...
@@patrickasplund Not quite, Galactica hadn’t gone through the refit that all the other, older Battle Stars were having to bring them in line with ships like the Pegasus, as she was about to be decommissioned and turned into a museum. She was the relic of the fleet and and Adama had wanted to keep it that way. Also, to the OP: BSG wasn’t set “far into the future”. It was 150,000 years in the past. When they reach “our” earth, the humans there are still nomadic and hadn’t developed speech yet. When it cuts to the present day, Hera’s remains had just been found and she’s declared as the missing link between modern humans and the Neanderthals.
@@patrickasplund Yes it was low tech on purpose. Old wired phones, solid state single purpose circuits. Nothing that can be programmed except the jump computers that were all disconnected.
Tyrol seemed to embrace being a Cylon much more than Anders and Tigh ever did (at least before Anders regained his memory). He didn't go as far as Tory did and just move to the Basestar at his first chance, but he very clearly thought of himself as a Cylon first starting from pretty early on after the four were "activated". With that in mind, I can see him wanting to just move on and start over at this point. Cally's dead, his son isn't his, and maybe at this point he was hoping if they left, Adama would allow Boomer to leave with them, and then he could be with her on the Basestar.
I AGREE 100%. This final 5 cylons story was trash. it should have never happened. Tyrol was the chief. he loved his job and his team. he treated them as his family.
@@davahn122 this is why i hate the writers for treating tyrol so bad in the final season. i can understand his wife killed off coz of the actress controversy. but then the writers took away his son and tyrol being the chief engineer. i always loved it when he was the chief
I was feeling bad for caprica 6 losing her baby but then I thought back to the 2 hour mini movie premiere where she snapped that baby's neck in that market or college square after the mother let her hold it. Then I thought of the millions probably billions of babies that died in the nuclear holocaust that she in getting into the colonial defense mainframe so the cylon attackers could just shut off all the colonial defense had a majority hand in killing and my sympathy kinda wains.
Both the cylons and galactica were machines yet galactica displayed more soul than most of the cylons the cylons acted like cowards and left when it suited them.
@@kingofthorns203 Yeah, there's a definite gender imbalance at work in the casting of the Cylons. There are fewer female Cylon models but they're uniformly not only attractive but have their sexuality played up. Simon and Leoben aren't hard on the eyes, but they don't get constantly sexed up in the same way. And Doral and Cavil are... ugh. Strangely, the series doesn't shy away from using human males like Apollo or Helo for fanservice, though. Then Anders turns out to be a Cylon, and he's the only male Cylon to have been a Mr. Fanservice in the series, but he turns out to be one of the Cylons that *doesn't* have multiple copies (unless you count the blank spare bodies). Multiple Dorals and only one Anders is just... unfair.
Damn Ellen is savage. What an apocalyptic nightmare. It's crazy how she is the mother of all cylons. Athena is so much more of a human being than she is
Which means modern homosapients are three quarter human and one quarter Cylon, if you take into account that Herra is half of each and her future mate was a human boy from the fleet, possibly Boxy or one of his younger friends.
That's not quite how it works. Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent person all humans share ancestry with, but the key word here is "share." We aren't all literally descended from just one couple. What happened is all other bloodlines eventually mixed with hers at some point. So she didn't even become Mitochondrial Eve until generations after she'd already died.
@@SargonTheGrape what other blood lines? If she is the latest "common" ancestor, wouldn't she and her mate be all that's necessary for modern human origin? Gotta admit, you kinda lost me
@@shado9300 If you and your sibling both have children, your parents are their common ancestors. But those kids still have separate ancestors on the other side of their families. Mitochondrial Eve's descendants eventually married into enough other families that we now all descend from her. But she isn't the "origin" of humanity.
Not exactly. Maternal DNA passes unchanged through the female offspring. Meaning direct female desendents would have her DNA. But male DNA would all recombine.
falcon3268, In what ways, precisely? It wasn't as if she displayed an inward looking or recessive personality type before that occurred. From my perspective, she's simply communicating a desire here, to fully embrace her identity's true roots, not to become some big Kahuna. Her being straightforward and clear in advocating for that future doesn't matter, and I don't find anything objectionable about it.
Funny how the ruthless and arrogant cylons become bickering cowards the instant their resurrection ship is destroyed, that alone made them worse than humans.
They were the ones that were adamant about their belief in "God" and yet they did everything in their power to avoid eventually meeting him. Most real religious believers either wait patiently for the day they get to meet their creator, or they rush madly towards that day. But the Cylons were terrified of it even though they considered themselves "HIS" most loyal servants.
Just imagine Gilligan's Island if the creators of Galactica 2 had written it. Who's the real Ginger? Who's the real Maryanne? Who was behind the three hour tour? Who cares?
Tammy Martinez you say that after knowing he is her “father” but he had no idea. When it happened he was a commanding officer of the fleet and Six has POW. Such things happen, unfortunately.
GplusGains c’mon, it is just a tv show. Nothing more. I am saying to based on the show which I have seen many times. But it is just a show, nothing more. :)
It's a good thing there weren't any secret Cylons on the Quorum when Zarek had them shot. It would have ended up the final four. This is such a good point. The final five Cylons all managed to be on Galactica and all managed to survive to the end of the show. Tens of billions of people killed, but the special Cylons squeak through. Plot armor is irritating when you start really thinking about it.
Galen "Can we... talk about the... offer... the baby... later...?" Yes Galen, the conversation became quite awkward with the whole "our children" line...
Here’s what I don’t get - Ellen looks at what Tigh and Caprica Six did as bad because it was “incestuous” but ignores what she did with Cavill earlier.
ellen looks at what tigh did as bad, because it was his decision, without her. brewing a coffee not under the control of ellen is just as unacceptable as knocking up six, on the other hand, if he would asked her, she would even support to pair as long as she fancied it.
Her relationship with Cavill though was theoretically so she could protect Saul and others that mattered to her - realizing that Cavill was hopelessly insane and capable of anything.
I always despised Helen as a character. She got a little better when she remembered she was a Cylon, but only by a degree. She was just a plain awful person.
Yeah, her character always makes me think of the Honest Trailer for The Walking Dead, and how it said Laurie was the most hated character on a show with flesh eating zombies.
You kind of have to understand why though, she just found out her partner - for thousands of years, is having a baby with one of their children. Her mind was blown and her emotions completely out of control. And with good reason.
UA-cam threw this up as a recommendation, so although two years late the timing is good, since we are now about sixteen months until Artificial General Intelligence. Xylons, here we come.
its possible, cavil cant reprogram himself not to sleep every, i think they mentioned that, in the PLAN or one of the episodes. I can imagine humanoid cylons dont need food or water since they used to have resurrection.
@@thehantavirus even if a Cylon doesn't eat or drink water during its existence and end up dying and being resurrected it would have taken food, er nutrients, and water to grow their replacement bodies in the first place just like a baby in a womb.
The Leobon said that they needed food, that's why he and his models wanted to side with the humans. I think the Cylons think they can grow their own food.
No they can't, but I guess their baseship has enough ressources and recycling abilities to run for extended periods of times, if not indefinitely if they can replenish from time to time.
I don't remember when he got the injury, but if that was after the destruction of the Resurrection hub, it's because resurrection is no longer an option, for any of the cylons.
The ones they chose though, pretty much all of them were unexpected left hooks. They were so integral, that it was insane to find out that they weren't what even they believed themselves to be. It was an incredible plot twist.
I thought the Series jumped the Shark when they made all these characters especially characters who were truly Heroic like the XO- Colonel Tighe I think his name was ( I haven't seen the original episodes in several years) , the head Mechanic, Starbuck's boyfriend and later husband, etc.
Couldn't agree more. That nonsense was due to them needing to cut production costs. The series was at its best during the expensive to make action scenes.
The only show I can say that I loved, then simply abandoned. I'll never watch seasons 3-4. Breaking their own lore to make established characters Cylons was beyond stupid.
actually they're more like genetically engineered humans with artificial organs, bone marrow and blood work. (effectively the discount versions of what mother nature actually provides over eons of evolution) .. so no not robots - but grown by robots as sleeper agents to infiltrate humanity ... or separately to act as leaders capable of mimicking the successful aspects of mankind to form their own robotic civilization
That's a racist term besides human cylon models deserve pity there stupid and have no free will if they did there would be more like Sharon agathon Athena who said no to there programming
I am rather disgusted by Galen, the whole life you knew, you were a colonial chief of ship, you are a second father to Nicholas and Helo is your best friend - you have every reason to back the fleet.
I think he was definitely the most divided of the five. On one hand, he had fought with Adama on Galactica for years, and had given blood sweat and tears to keep the ship going. On the other hand, he was never loyal to Adama like Tigh was. Not to mention his own wife tried to kill his son when he was revealed to be a Cylon. So he definitely had sympathies on both sides.
I think the reason skinjobs and humans are so similar is this is all happened before and again. They are pretty much the same except minor strength buff and being able to speak with machines
Skinjobs were an attempt to emulate humanity that hit way too near the mark. The skinjobs destroyed the Cylons almost as much as they destroyed the Colonials.
Sort of sad you believe so, this was one of the very best Sci-Fi series ever. I just watched "The Expanse" for the second time and I am honestly not sure which is better IMHO.
Always thought BSG lost it's way after the Final 5 reveal. It became convoluted. They landed the ending with the show's finale, but the second-half of the final season was a slog to get through.
@@kirishima638 Naw, I liked the final episode. It felt like that exact ending was planned from the beginning. But the whole Final 5 storyline was a convoluted mess, and the Tigh/Ellen backstory was the only time the showrunners asked me to truly suspend my belief. Angels I could buy into, Tigh and Ellen being ancient Cylons was an absurdity that took me out of the show.
@suekoi3885 They are only the "worst" because they have been so overused to have become pedestrian. When Bob Newhart woke up next to Suzanne Pleshette, demonstrating that the entire series had been a dream sequence within his previous series, it was brilliant because it was new and unexpected. When St Elsewhere revealed that the entire series took place withiin a snowglobe, it too was something we had never seen. I agree with you within the context of 21st century lazy writing, but disagree vehemently as a general rule of using fantasy and dreams as plot devices, which are as old in cinema as The Wizard of Oz. (n the book, Dorothy REALLY went to Oz.) Also the entire Battlestar Galactica reboot was steeped in the spiritual. To not use it in regards to Starbuck's return would have been the waste of a plot device that had already been established... My problem with the Final Five is that they were called the "final five", whereas within the context of the story (especially from the point of vue of the Cylons, they should have been referred to as the "original five". They were only the Final Five in relation to their reveal order, which WAS lazy writing.
Saul loves Adama like a brother and comrade. And loves Ellen romantically. Nothing gay there. It just happens that he appreciates more his buddy than his troublesome wife, since she always dragged him down and Bill, on the contrary, helped him to stand up.
Jesus M Chavez, That's a bit of an exaggeration to blame her. Caprica was at a loss to perceive the precise antecedents of what was going on between Saul and Ellen, so it's understandable that she would be upset by the rancorous dialogue. However, I think it's quite a stretch to conclude that Ellen purposefully wanted her to miscarry. In fact, it would directly contradict the reasoning of her decision to leave with the others on the Baseship, i.e., Cylon culture surviving going forward, via the birth of Caprica's baby.
This show never made any sense to me, it leaves logic out in the cold. It assumes a machine intelligence vastly superior to our own would have all the failings we do. For our limited cognition, belief is necessary, we cannot comprehend (or remember), much at any one time, so we need to take things on faith. For a powerful sentient AI that is not the case, it would be able to asses the situation instantly, factoring in new data in real time. Being pigheaded and prideful, would be obviously idiotic. That's just my two cents.
you assume that intelligence, artificial or not does not need these problems to even exist. we have zero idea what is needed and what is not needed for working intelligence.
Personally I think it's bad writing that everyone in the room except the doctor is a cylon. It just shows that they kept trying to use the same gimmick again and again even when they shouldn't have.
It's bad writing that everyone in the room is a cylon when the cylons are having a meeting about the future of the cylons Is it bad when all the people in the room are human having a conversation about the future of humanity
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Saul and Bill have a friendship not even the Cylons can break
BRUV
yes, reminds me of Democrats
@@DAVIDMAINORDdemocrats arent going to prision, traitor insurrectionists are. 😅
How those republicans in the house going, assaulting each other 😅
War and years of service do that.
For all his other - many - faults, at least Saul understood loyalty, and that makes him better than the rest of that lot.
CYLONS HATE THE HUMANS AND THEY TAKE HUMAN FORM
PATHETIC TRASH
You have to respect him picking a side and sticking with it.
Didn't Saul commit incest? If so I'm not sure if I can agree with you.
But he was was a flawed cylon who enjoyed liquor
@@brianlindee9212 how could it be a flaw when it's part of his programing?
"Don't you want your baby to be safe?"
*Literally snapped a babies neck on Caprica before the fall.
In a twisted sense, it was out of mercy. Rather a quick and painless death in sleep rather than a horrible drawn out one from nuclear fallout.
Was she the same version that snap the neck????
@@sanitizerwilson1599yes she was the same version. She was the only 6 with a name (caprice) because she was a war hero to the cylons for getting into the defense mainframe
Considering that the only successful cylon child was born from a loving relationship it's interesting how this pregnancy failed the moment she doubted his love for her.
Dr. Cottle and those one liners! He was such a scene stealer, which is an impressive feat on this show!
RIP
Always loved Rhodes. Grew up watching him on DANGER BAY, and then later on DAVINCI’S INQUEST (a Canadian LAW & ORDER kinda show).
Not really impressive on this show. The acting outside of Adama was always overrated. The writing is what was great.
"Don't anybody unplug anything" 😅😅😅
I bet if someone watched only the first season and then this clip, they would be very, very confused.
Hahahaha
Well, I have been catching-up on this show through re-broadcast of the entire series on 'Comet' channel...and even though I get the definate feeling THIS episode is probably right around the corner (Laura was patching-up Baltars gut-wound just before her and Adama's LONG-awaited embrace, after Adama landed his Razor in the battle-scarred base-ship) I am sitting here laughing over the interactions between everybody here in the infirmary...and it amazes me how 'innocent' they all seem...I am betting there's a different director of this episode ? in any case, now I have a MUCH better understanding of (maybe ?) where 'Bladerunner 2049' got the idea that Dekard & Rachel would've...'copulated' to bring-about the first-ever Organic-Cyber 'Hybrid'. Wish I'd watched Battlestar beforehand, then I would'nt've been so intensely 'offended' by the mere-concept, as I was when I watched the Bladerunner sequel two yrs ago...because now it makes more sense to me that Ridley Scott DID'NT pull the idea completely out of thin-air...lol
first two season and no, not so much. They just needed to stretch it and get more $$$$, as usual
Yep, count me into that club. I'm like what the frack!!!?? Chief???!!!
Guess I have another sci fi series to get.
Even I would be all like "Whadda frack is goin on here!"
Tigh transcended his Cylon nature. Loyalty is more important to him.
These five are the originals, the ones that survived the destroyed Earth, the others are just cheap knock-offs. And I have to wonder, how many of them are actually the final five? If I remember right we eventually find out that one of them is actually a 2nd gen. I am glad I have this series on DvD, but I have to find them and watch this series again.
So well written and acted. The layers, the actors' choices. Genius.
I love Tyrol's response to the Tigh drama.
He’s just like, “can we do this later? Or not at all, maybe?”
As if he has leeway to talk after his romantic escapades!
@@annoyed707Well, the last time Tyrol put his love life over his duty/important decisions, Boomer blew up a bunch of stuff, shot Adama, and got herself killed by Cally. So maybe he's trying to learn from past mistakes?
This is so Greek. I love it. Zeus and Hera arguing about his bastards, and a power struggle among the democratic Hellenes.
you must be an English major . . .
@@RangerCaptain11A History :P
Nice call, though with the eyepatch, I suppose it could be Odin and Frigg arguing about Freya . . . .
this is battlestar galactica not princess xena. you're on the wrong video.
GplusGains The show is heavily influenced by Greek mythology. Their names alone are a major giveaway: Athena, Apollo, Hera, Helo, Ellen, Pegasus, Atlantia, etc. The 12 tribes like the 12 Olympian gods, Kara THRACE prays to Athena or Artemis I think...it’s everywhere in the series
Was it just loyalty for Saul at that point? I would like to think the way he was trying to reason with them was because he was taking a broader view of the whole situation from over all the hundreds of years. Pure Cylon pure Human, both hadn't worked, both ended in the same disaster. Putting all ones faith in the hybrid child was a bit of a stretch, but at least it was something new.
@@hibbidyjibbidyy Yeah but he had to really love Caprica, or else they wouldn't of had the baby. When he told her to go he was just lashing out cuz they were ganging up on him. Ellen did this. She clearly even realizes it as Caprica starts holding her belly, Ellen knew right away what she did. She's the only one with all of her memories back. 2000 years of bitterness, she was right about one thing, the Cylons were like their children and she should have known better than to play this game with them.
this ep was what as know as a "cheap production", it was only made to save money with little to no set expense. It only showed that the writers think that all females are petty.
@@pistolwhipped7714 This has literally nothing to do with the post you're replying to.
@@pistolwhipped7714 Hot take LMAO
So the one who frakes around all the time behind Sauls back is now yelling at him for doing the same thing??
women !!!!
IKR?! Typical Cylon LOL. Jokes aside. I wonder if Saul managing to impregnate Six meant that there was true 'feeling' involved, hence she is extra bitter..either that or that she knows that she won't be able to birth a cylon anymore.
@@tracys169 Definitely that Saul and Caprica loved each other. Pretty sure Moore even said as much in commentary.
what does Number One have to do with this?
6 is much younger than Helen, that's all there is to it
Ellen's natural vindictiveness made her completely deaf to the circumstances.
1) as far as Saul knew, she was DEAD when he hooked up with Caprica Six
2) Saul had no idea his relation to Caprica Six, so initial shock is understandable, but continuing to pound the point home as if Saul knew was her bitterness.
Maybe - just maybe - Ellen being that vengeful, spiteful piece of work is why they couldn't have kids, and not whether or not Saul loved her or not. She may have regained her 13th Colony memories, but she was still the same old Ellen.
(edit: fixed annoying spelling error)
It's simple. Saul loved Ellen... but Ellen never loved Saul. Not more than herself.
She was projecting onto him, that there was "something more" compared to her and Caprica in Saul's heart... she was always #1 in her own heart.
I find it prophetic that Cavill who was modeled on her father, also had spite and rage. Maybe she is more like her father than she is willing to admit.
Well, he did frak Helen when 6 was carrying his baby.
See the other comments here about how Greek mythology inspired this series. This squabbling nature of the Five is not very different from how the Olympian gods behaved.
No, I think Ellen past resurrection is vastly different. She is much more thoughtful, toned down, nostalgic, somber... wiser probably. But she still is prone to being overly emotional to the point of acting irrationally and spiteful because of her hurt pride. I think she comes around by the end, however.
Tori grossed me out and this scene made it so clear the cowards the Cylon clones truly were. Athena said it so well when she called that group of Eights, "Disgusting."
When did she do that?
The actress Rekha Sharma played the character very well, she played a similarly treacherous character in the show: the 100. From the 1st scene she's in i counted down the clock to her demise & it didnt disappoint! Respect to her acting ability that even tho she's hot, you still want to kick her in the clunge!
You can’t really blame them for not wanting to stay. Many humans in the fleet still hated Cylons and at that point it wasn’t that long ago when the policy concerning Cylons was still to throw them out of an airlock without any sort of trial.
@@ronin3381 Not so long ago Cylon policy towards humans was to Nuke them from orbit and conduct experiments on survivors
@@adeosinowo3197, How was Tori treacherous, really though? To Roslin? She was really following her instincts here, as to what she thought her path in life should be. I found her behavior far less objectionable than Anders was, well, at least until he recovered and took his final part, anyway.
As far as Callie was concerned, what choice did Tori have? Callie would have exposed them all, and that was long before their even potentially having a value as bargaining chips came into play. So, the 4 of them would have been flushed out. She did decide to save the kid, which she wasn't at all obligated to do. Callie had to go.
Ironic that the toasters that were so quick to choose to leave and abandon humanity immediately seek out the human doctor the moment their pure toaster baby is in trouble.
Chris, Well, it was clearly an emergency. What else would they've done, exactly? Aside from which, I don't think any of them had reason to doubt Cottle's moral and ethical bona fides, whether it involved doing his utmost in treating humans or Cylons.
Not to invoke Godwin's law, but this line of logic is the same thing as a group of not sees trusting a Jewish doctor. (It's doubly relevant given the cylon xenocide against humanity) sure it's possible for it to happen but it proves their hypocrisy and the weakness of their ideals.
Well the Cylon Doctor Simon model wasn't exactly happy with the 6s and 8s, especially after getting ventilated🤷♂️
@@janehrahan5116 check your autocorrect bro, what the hell are not sees? 😂
"Pure Toaster Baby"
As someone else pointed out:
Did Saul have any idea what his relationship to Six was when she got pregnant?
Saul thought Ellen was dead when he was sleeping with Six.
My memory of the series is vague, but wasn't Ellen doing Cavil while she was held on the base ship? Isn't that the same thing? Or worse, since not only is Cavil technically her son, but he is also kind of the reincarnation of her father, so Ellen was kind of doing both her son AND her dad at the same time?
Ellen is going on about how all they need is Six's baby, and yet Ellen is the one who destroy's Six's belief in Saul, leading to her losing the baby.
As someone else pointed out, Saul was seeing the big picture, that they needed something more than just human or just cylon.
Ellen was just being pure vindictive because Saul's world didn't revolve around her, which is ironic because she was worse than anything she thought he was guilty of.
I'm pretty sure Ellen was banging Cavil on New Caprica (ostensibly in order to help Saul and possibly other prisoners), not on the Baseship after her resurrection.
It took me till the rewatch to catch Ellen's "You just can't stop poisoning me!" 😂😂 That woman was pure chaos as both a human and a cylon.
You are correct, it's the stand alone episode "the plan" from the cylons perspective. Helen was skanking about in Picon and ran into Cavill in a bar. When the nukes hit, she was resurrected into a basestar.
@@CrazyChemistPL That is my memory too. She wasn't entirely doing it for lust, she was trying to save people that were important to her. Saul I think was banging 6 mostly so he wouldn't think about his murdering Ellen.
I love the actress that plays Ellen. She can go from crazy party girl to overprotective den mom at the drop of a hat
Nice to see a patient monitor from the 1990’s has survived so far in to the future! 👍
You didn't follow the story, did you? Humans had excellent technology, but during the first Cylon war everything from the toaster to the nukes kept getting hacked by the Cylons, who are literally AI. So they had a massive regression in fleet technology, making everything Analog including tube based television sets and relay based telephones. I think they mentioned it in the first episode, in fact...
@@patrickasplund Nope
@@patrickasplund Not quite, Galactica hadn’t gone through the refit that all the other, older Battle Stars were having to bring them in line with ships like the Pegasus, as she was about to be decommissioned and turned into a museum. She was the relic of the fleet and and Adama had wanted to keep it that way.
Also, to the OP: BSG wasn’t set “far into the future”. It was 150,000 years in the past. When they reach “our” earth, the humans there are still nomadic and hadn’t developed speech yet. When it cuts to the present day, Hera’s remains had just been found and she’s declared as the missing link between modern humans and the Neanderthals.
150,000 years in the past
@@patrickasplund Yes it was low tech on purpose. Old wired phones, solid state single purpose circuits. Nothing that can be programmed except the jump computers that were all disconnected.
I have a hard time accepting that Tyrol would so easily abandon the Galactica for the Cylons.
Both of the women he loved died and he found out his son wasn't even really his son and lets not forget Adamas threat to kill his wife
People say that, but he was already acting as a Cylon representative to Adama before this episode.
Tyrol seemed to embrace being a Cylon much more than Anders and Tigh ever did (at least before Anders regained his memory). He didn't go as far as Tory did and just move to the Basestar at his first chance, but he very clearly thought of himself as a Cylon first starting from pretty early on after the four were "activated".
With that in mind, I can see him wanting to just move on and start over at this point. Cally's dead, his son isn't his, and maybe at this point he was hoping if they left, Adama would allow Boomer to leave with them, and then he could be with her on the Basestar.
I AGREE 100%. This final 5 cylons story was trash. it should have never happened. Tyrol was the chief. he loved his job and his team. he treated them as his family.
@@davahn122 this is why i hate the writers for treating tyrol so bad in the final season. i can understand his wife killed off coz of the actress controversy. but then the writers took away his son and tyrol being the chief engineer. i always loved it when he was the chief
I love this point in time. Ellen’s back and after everyone shat on her she’s the big mama boss.
I was feeling bad for caprica 6 losing her baby but then I thought back to the 2 hour mini movie premiere where she snapped that baby's neck in that market or college square after the mother let her hold it. Then I thought of the millions probably billions of babies that died in the nuclear holocaust that she in getting into the colonial defense mainframe so the cylon attackers could just shut off all the colonial defense had a majority hand in killing and my sympathy kinda wains.
They were different models, this one didn't do that
Bruh i didnt even realise she wasted that baby but linked her obsession with wanting maternal instincts to her rage she couldnt
@@chasejackson7248 It is the same one, Caprica 6 is the model that snapped a baby's neck.
@@AwakenedAvocado She was saving it from the nuclear bombs that would soon land
@@Prometheus7272 but she was angry thst she couldn't have children and somewhat obsessed with them.
Both the cylons and galactica were machines yet galactica displayed more soul than most of the cylons the cylons acted like cowards and left when it suited them.
Get you a friend like Saul Tigh. The rare man who really did put bros before hoes.
Aye. Grapple them to thy soul with hooks of steel.
Funny how all the cylon ladies are drop dead gorgeous.
They were "made by men" LOL
Casting directors. Anyone short of an 8 out of 10 is a 3, and only cast(ed?) if they need the plain friend.
Given they were designed as infiltrators, being gorgeous is a tactical choice…. But that’s just the in-universe explaination
@@Crazalus They were really designed just to be the next step in Cylon evolution, though. The Five didn't intend on espionage.
@@kingofthorns203 Yeah, there's a definite gender imbalance at work in the casting of the Cylons. There are fewer female Cylon models but they're uniformly not only attractive but have their sexuality played up. Simon and Leoben aren't hard on the eyes, but they don't get constantly sexed up in the same way. And Doral and Cavil are... ugh. Strangely, the series doesn't shy away from using human males like Apollo or Helo for fanservice, though. Then Anders turns out to be a Cylon, and he's the only male Cylon to have been a Mr. Fanservice in the series, but he turns out to be one of the Cylons that *doesn't* have multiple copies (unless you count the blank spare bodies). Multiple Dorals and only one Anders is just... unfair.
Damn Ellen is savage. What an apocalyptic nightmare. It's crazy how she is the mother of all cylons. Athena is so much more of a human being than she is
Zoe greystone is mother of all cyclone.
@@johncraemer9566 Isn't mother nature the mother of all cyclones?
2:34 Galen got his priorities right lol
Sol could live without love but not without own his self respect, that's why he could never betray Adama
Saul like "I don't identify as no frackin Cylon, I identify as an Executive Officer."
Sauls expressions are priceless
Which means modern homosapients are three quarter human and one quarter Cylon, if you take into account that Herra is half of each and her future mate was a human boy from the fleet, possibly Boxy or one of his younger friends.
That's not quite how it works. Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent person all humans share ancestry with, but the key word here is "share." We aren't all literally descended from just one couple. What happened is all other bloodlines eventually mixed with hers at some point. So she didn't even become Mitochondrial Eve until generations after she'd already died.
@@SargonTheGrape what other blood lines? If she is the latest "common" ancestor, wouldn't she and her mate be all that's necessary for modern human origin? Gotta admit, you kinda lost me
@@shado9300 If you and your sibling both have children, your parents are their common ancestors. But those kids still have separate ancestors on the other side of their families.
Mitochondrial Eve's descendants eventually married into enough other families that we now all descend from her. But she isn't the "origin" of humanity.
Not exactly. Maternal DNA passes unchanged through the female offspring.
Meaning direct female desendents would have her DNA. But male DNA would all recombine.
Thus why the female cylons were all cycling at the same time😂🤦♂️
Helen was toxic in any form. With Helen and Tori, it's a wonder The Original Five ever managed to create anything.
0:22 Helen swanning in all "It's me, hi! I'm the problem, it's me."
Any clip with Grace in it is worth watching!
Yesssss
I love that Colonel Tigh always swears. He doesn't stop talking trash.
Frack that
Tori was never one of my favorites. When she found out that she was one of the original cylons, she got a big head.
falcon3268, In what ways, precisely? It wasn't as if she displayed an inward looking or recessive personality type before that occurred. From my perspective, she's simply communicating a desire here, to fully embrace her identity's true roots, not to become some big Kahuna. Her being straightforward and clear in advocating for that future doesn't matter, and I don't find anything objectionable about it.
Don't anyone unplug anything
..
Especially not the toaster.
Funny how the ruthless and arrogant cylons become bickering cowards the instant their resurrection ship is destroyed, that alone made them worse than humans.
They were the ones that were adamant about their belief in "God" and yet they did everything in their power to avoid eventually meeting him. Most real religious believers either wait patiently for the day they get to meet their creator, or they rush madly towards that day. But the Cylons were terrified of it even though they considered themselves "HIS" most loyal servants.
The bickering between Ellen and Saul was very much like a scene from Curb Your Enthusiasm
00:11 LOL Genius! I've got to watch this show again. I don't remember any of this.
Doc Cottle is my hero.
Only a clip and I wanted to watch more. I had forgotten how good the last series was.
Love all the Colons in one room
Just imagine Gilligan's Island if the creators of Galactica 2 had written it. Who's the real Ginger? Who's the real Maryanne? Who was behind the three hour tour? Who cares?
Was the Professor involved, or was it Mr. Howell.
@@annoyed707, Maybe, it was Colonel Mustard, using a revolver, in the library.
I love watching the show when I'm drinking !
That’s the twirl she was so proud of.
Swirl.
Never understood the tigh caprica six coupling! It was basically incest and I saw her and Gaius as endgame.
so was Tyrol and Boomer if you see it that way.
the sick thing is he really is old enough to be her dad. yuck!
Tammy Martinez you say that after knowing he is her “father” but he had no idea. When it happened he was a commanding officer of the fleet and Six has POW. Such things happen, unfortunately.
@@danielhorcic2305 How would you know? Don't make up internet lies.
GplusGains c’mon, it is just a tv show. Nothing more. I am saying to based on the show which I have seen many times. But it is just a show, nothing more. :)
Many people questions this scene why would Chief agree to this?.
Hadn't his life kind of fallen apart by this point? He was depressed and looking for a fresh start.
It's a good thing there weren't any secret Cylons on the Quorum when Zarek had them shot. It would have ended up the final four.
This is such a good point. The final five Cylons all managed to be on Galactica and all managed to survive to the end of the show. Tens of billions of people killed, but the special Cylons squeak through. Plot armor is irritating when you start really thinking about it.
Galen "Can we... talk about the... offer... the baby... later...?" Yes Galen, the conversation became quite awkward with the whole "our children" line...
Here’s what I don’t get - Ellen looks at what Tigh and Caprica Six did as bad because it was “incestuous” but ignores what she did with Cavill earlier.
ellen looks at what tigh did as bad, because it was his decision, without her. brewing a coffee not under the control of ellen is just as unacceptable as knocking up six, on the other hand, if he would asked her, she would even support to pair as long as she fancied it.
Because she’s the worst kind of controlling spouse-a hypocritical one.
Her relationship with Cavill though was theoretically so she could protect Saul and others that mattered to her - realizing that Cavill was hopelessly insane and capable of anything.
I always despised Helen as a character. She got a little better when she remembered she was a Cylon, but only by a degree. She was just a plain awful person.
You mean Ellen
Agreed so much I loved Xena though she was a true Cylon bitch but I liked her character
She got a little better after Saul poisoned her and she was dead.
@@rsuffridge1 but then she got back
Yeah, her character always makes me think of the Honest Trailer for The Walking Dead, and how it said Laurie was the most hated character on a show with flesh eating zombies.
Ellen Tighe will always be... Ellen Tighe.
I realize the plot would have suffered without her, but I despised Ellen Tigh…actress did a GREAT job 😆
The worst part is that in this Ellen was doing this out of pure spite.
You kind of have to understand why though, she just found out her partner - for thousands of years, is having a baby with one of their children. Her mind was blown and her emotions completely out of control. And with good reason.
2:22 Sounds like a Trailer Park Boys scene
its funny they suddenly care about voting when its in their interest to do so
Robot baby momma drama..🤣
UA-cam threw this up as a recommendation, so although two years late the timing is good, since we are now about sixteen months until Artificial General Intelligence. Xylons, here we come.
Can the human Cylon survive indefinitely without food and water?
Nope. They're made like biological humans they're not electronic on the inside
its possible, cavil cant reprogram himself not to sleep every, i think they mentioned that, in the PLAN or one of the episodes. I can imagine humanoid cylons dont need food or water since they used to have resurrection.
@@thehantavirus even if a Cylon doesn't eat or drink water during its existence and end up dying and being resurrected it would have taken food, er nutrients, and water to grow their replacement bodies in the first place just like a baby in a womb.
The Leobon said that they needed food, that's why he and his models wanted to side with the humans. I think the Cylons think they can grow their own food.
No they can't, but I guess their baseship has enough ressources and recycling abilities to run for extended periods of times, if not indefinitely if they can replenish from time to time.
I never understood why they didn't just cause anders to die so he could resurrect into a new body. That never made sense to me.
I don't remember when he got the injury, but if that was after the destruction of the Resurrection hub, it's because resurrection is no longer an option, for any of the cylons.
This was after the destruction of the Cylon hub.
It’s nearly like they destroyed the resurrection ships, oh wait they did
Days of Our Lives in space.
I wanna be as unfazed as Doc Cottle
Ellen always being petty while Saul is the ladies man! LOL
He does bang her tho
Str8 up the duffhole
Saul was always at his best when he was Ellen-free.
Saul is awesome.
you got her pregnant... yeah I did I did yeah.... I didn't know.... you can go if you're so mad....
Did they just put all the actors names on the wall and throw darts to see who would be the final five?
The ones they chose though, pretty much all of them were unexpected left hooks. They were so integral, that it was insane to find out that they weren't what even they believed themselves to be. It was an incredible plot twist.
I thought the Series jumped the Shark when they made all these characters especially characters who were truly Heroic like the XO- Colonel Tighe I think his name was ( I haven't seen the original episodes in several years) , the head Mechanic, Starbuck's boyfriend and later husband, etc.
Couldn't agree more. That nonsense was due to them needing to cut production costs. The series was at its best during the expensive to make action scenes.
The only show I can say that I loved, then simply abandoned. I'll never watch seasons 3-4. Breaking their own lore to make established characters Cylons was beyond stupid.
You can just about hear, Sweet home Alabama playing in the background
Isn’t the tall blond Lucifer mother.
Yes Tricia helfer caprica six was Lucifer mom in the second season only she went to play the lawyer in the third
She is also the one who voiced Kerrigan in StarCraft.
@@mindsoulbody never played the game but Tricia helfer is vary talented
@@mindsoulbody It seems to me that the actor who played Saul did the voice of general Tullius from Skyrim
Wait these are robots?
actually they're more like genetically engineered humans with artificial organs, bone marrow and blood work. (effectively the discount versions of what mother nature actually provides over eons of evolution) .. so no not robots - but grown by robots as sleeper agents to infiltrate humanity ... or separately to act as leaders capable of mimicking the successful aspects of mankind to form their own robotic civilization
artificial humans with a softwar in the brain
@@edharris2395 Evolution? No such thing BS. Even the originator said if his theory isn't proven throw it out
More like artificial humans or biological machines depending on your approach.
@@JohnDoe-lq1fl Then explain how different breeds of dogs exist. We'll wait.
Fracking toasters
That's a racist term besides human cylon models deserve pity there stupid and have no free will if they did there would be more like Sharon agathon Athena who said no to there programming
Brian Lindee Toaster lover.
@@brianlindee9212 Lol they commited genocide and you cry aboyt those terms lol.
What a pathetic thing to say
Aftermarket Market, Watch your tongue!!! Remember, that's what Barolay said, followed very shortly thereafter, by being shuffled off the mortal coil.
WELL FRAK THAT.......
I am rather disgusted by Galen, the whole life you knew, you were a colonial chief of ship, you are a second father to Nicholas and Helo is your best friend - you have every reason to back the fleet.
I think he was definitely the most divided of the five.
On one hand, he had fought with Adama on Galactica for years, and had given blood sweat and tears to keep the ship going.
On the other hand, he was never loyal to Adama like Tigh was. Not to mention his own wife tried to kill his son when he was revealed to be a Cylon.
So he definitely had sympathies on both sides.
I think the reason skinjobs and humans are so similar is this is all happened before and again. They are pretty much the same except minor strength buff and being able to speak with machines
Convergent evolution.
Skinjobs were an attempt to emulate humanity that hit way too near the mark. The skinjobs destroyed the Cylons almost as much as they destroyed the Colonials.
Wow. Sure am glad I didn't invest any time past the first season all those years ago.
Sort of sad you believe so, this was one of the very best Sci-Fi series ever. I just watched "The Expanse" for the second time and I am honestly not sure which is better IMHO.
Looks like the left overs from Andromeda series 20 year on.
Grace is an absolute stunner 🥰
Why are there Six there???
Six and Eight came over with Tory from the rebel Basestar.
Always thought BSG lost it's way after the Final 5 reveal. It became convoluted. They landed the ending with the show's finale, but the second-half of the final season was a slog to get through.
It should have ended when they found the destroyed Earth
@@kirishima638 Naw, I liked the final episode. It felt like that exact ending was planned from the beginning.
But the whole Final 5 storyline was a convoluted mess, and the Tigh/Ellen backstory was the only time the showrunners asked me to truly suspend my belief. Angels I could buy into, Tigh and Ellen being ancient Cylons was an absurdity that took me out of the show.
@suekoi3885 They are only the "worst" because they have been so overused to have become pedestrian. When Bob Newhart woke up next to Suzanne Pleshette, demonstrating that the entire series had been a dream sequence within his previous series, it was brilliant because it was new and unexpected.
When St Elsewhere revealed that the entire series took place withiin a snowglobe, it too was something we had never seen.
I agree with you within the context of 21st century lazy writing, but disagree vehemently as a general rule of using fantasy and dreams as plot devices, which are as old in cinema as The Wizard of Oz. (n the book, Dorothy REALLY went to Oz.)
Also the entire Battlestar Galactica reboot was steeped in the spiritual. To not use it in regards to Starbuck's return would have been the waste of a plot device that had already been established...
My problem with the Final Five is that they were called the "final five", whereas within the context of the story (especially from the point of vue of the Cylons, they should have been referred to as the "original five". They were only the Final Five in relation to their reveal order, which WAS lazy writing.
More human than human....Blade Runner anyone ? 1982.
The final five thing was a stupid mess.
Tory's actress is so hawt
Cylon, human...women all the same
Ok boomer
@@falsegxd
Boomer is a Cylon
@@louisbabycos106, He/she didn't capitalize the word, so...
I will
Of all the folks on Cylon Earth, these 5 were the ones who figured out resurrection? They don't seem very intelligent.
Because only Helen has her full memories, the other 4 only partially.
@@AzrealMaximus Ellen didn't seem all that bright even after resurrection.
@@Hunpecked exactly, either off her Prozac, or in a drunken stupor.
Epic!
Hold on....Tigh is a Cylon!? Spoilers people....sheesh!
Dont even ask about Starbuck...
6:30 saul is gay?
It's more of a Comrade-In-Arms love.
Saul loves Adama like a brother and comrade. And loves Ellen romantically. Nothing gay there. It just happens that he appreciates more his buddy than his troublesome wife, since she always dragged him down and Bill, on the contrary, helped him to stand up.
@@moteroargentino7944, Well, your last contention wasn't true every single time.
Thank you, Ellen for causing a miscarriage.... I mean, oh poor Caprica 6 and the baby XD
Jesus M Chavez, That's a bit of an exaggeration to blame her. Caprica was at a loss to perceive the precise antecedents of what was going on between Saul and Ellen, so it's understandable that she would be upset by the rancorous dialogue. However, I think it's quite a stretch to conclude that Ellen purposefully wanted her to miscarry. In fact, it would directly contradict the reasoning of her decision to leave with the others on the Baseship, i.e., Cylon culture surviving going forward, via the birth of Caprica's baby.
Such a great series, but as will all good SciFi, it had a shiteous ending.
It's the guy from Soap. That explains everything.
I don't understand how the Cylons can have children if they are machines.
I never understood too but I'll give it a shot maybe did they find a way to mimic a human reproduction system like some incubator genetic cloning?
Because they're biologically the same as humans. No metal parts or motherboards. They are strong, just under a centurian.
& cylons curl their hair…
Saul tigh destroys emotional cylons with loyalty and honor.
Wow, this was totally ruined by the shaky, zoomy reality-show camera bs.
This show never made any sense to me, it leaves logic out in the cold.
It assumes a machine intelligence vastly superior to our own would have all the failings we do.
For our limited cognition, belief is necessary, we cannot comprehend (or remember), much at any one time, so we need to take things on faith.
For a powerful sentient AI that is not the case, it would be able to asses the situation instantly, factoring in new data in real time.
Being pigheaded and prideful, would be obviously idiotic.
That's just my two cents.
They were created to have the same faults humans have.
you assume that intelligence, artificial or not does not need these problems to even exist. we have zero idea what is needed and what is not needed for working intelligence.
The Cylons are 5 years old, throwing a tantrum, if the 5 yrs Olds had nukes
They neither have a plan nor stability.
They are all clinically insane 😂
Personally I think it's bad writing that everyone in the room except the doctor is a cylon. It just shows that they kept trying to use the same gimmick again and again even when they shouldn't have.
It's bad writing that everyone in the room is a cylon when the cylons are having a meeting about the future of the cylons
Is it bad when all the people in the room are human having a conversation about the future of humanity
Dumbest story twist EVER.
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Jesus Christ, but Ellen was annoying.
Just make everyone a cyclone lol. After 3 different groups of writers why not??