Of Demography & Destiny | with Edward Dutton, Jolly Heretic
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2024
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"How far back would you have to go, for you to be considered left wing" is such a good question for anyone, especially TJH.
The French Revolution is the answer.
early to middle medieval era
Perfect question!
The carboniferous period for me, back when carbon was appreciated.
Voting for Trudeau in 2015
I'm just here to hear him say "mutational load" one hundred times!
How about male microchimerism or heteropaternal superfecundation?
No offence, but Dutton doesn't know much about genetics, especially his comments on how inbreeding is better for the immune system and fighting bacteria and viruses. Almost all of the literature says outbreeding is better because your offspring's immune cells, by extension, their immune function, rely/relies on the total number of different combinations their MHC receptors can make, which increases by several factors of 10 the less homozygosity they have (i.e. when your partner has a gene code as different as possible from yours). I think he has a knack for history and a few other subjects, but should stay out of the realm of biology or immunology until he's read a book from this or last century on it.
@@ReverseTranscriptase I think what he means is perhaps the immunologic resistance that, say Africans have to malaria and Europeans don't. He is probably talking in those broad terms.
Prof Dutton is a good dude. He's so straight down the line. Just tells you whats what.
I loved everything about this entire interview. The fact that Edward was genuinely perplexed that anyone could be offended by the idea that all women are prostitutes, is quite heartwarming in a way. lol. But all told, I learned something about myself in this conversation. Well at least, formed a desire to think more carefully about where I fall in each of the five character traits, and along the left-right spectrum.
Whenever you get triggered by Dutton, remember you've been groomed since childhood to react so.
Speak for yourself, you don't have to agree with everything he says or not find any of it offensive in order not to be groomed. Unless by groomed you just mean 'educated'
I love professor Dutton. What a fascinating conversation! Thanks for the show!
Listening to this at Tinatuoppi in Turku, and I would love to guide Dr Dutton to the dodgier bars of Finland and co-author the coffee table book.
As a tourist I preferred Tampere over Turku, but my afternoon + evening visit to Naantali was really nice. Last summer. 27 celcius.
Central square in Turku was horrifyingly empty. Reminded me of Rotterdam.
Thanks to you both; I'll go now...I have a major headache! A truly enlightening, thought-provoking experience...I'll tell my friends!
For those who are interested in Dutton's territory, the Aporia Podcast is excellent. They also go into taboo topics (genetics, intelligence, etc.) with a deep academic/scholastic integrity. (I believe the podcast used to be called 'Ideas Sleep Furiously'.)
Thanks for the suggestion
Yes.
I had a science teacher who told us back in the 80s that people are like any species. You get different variations due to evolution. You get Labradors and you get bull mastiffs in canines. So too with people you get different inherent temperaments, and not just different physical appearances. Demography is destiny.
Well said - I resonate with any perspective that conforms to these observable truths about natural correlation.
I am a palmist and learning to see these basic natural “types”, by recognising their symptoms on the hand is the foundation of the entire science.
Earth type - short hand short fingers
Water type - long hand, long fingers.
Fire type - long palm, short fingers
Air type - short palm, long fingers.
Its a direct observation of fixed genetic traits, which underly our value systems and the “alignment” of our personality atop our natural “vehicle”.
The best of the best of the best !!!!!!
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Just fantastic
I’m not Crazy
I just can’t put my thoughts into words
You did it for me
BB well done….
Great guest ♥️
Are we awake now🕊
I myself have so much more to learn ♥️
Best guest ever
This was an amazing conversation
Watching Edward's eyes light up discussing "Love is Blind" was hilarious.
I can't help but like this guy.
Thank you, Benjamin and Edward 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Possibly the best discussion I've ever listened to. My first real introduction to Edward Dutton. This will be a lasting relationship.
Ed is so English, that even after an exquisite explanation from Benjamin on the etymology of 'Baller', he still mistook it for 'Bowler'. For Americans, that's the cricket 'position' who bowls the ball to the batsman, akin to a pitcher in baseball. Value free analysis as always, very good.
Excellent guest! OMG!
When the people in power say the phrase “our democracy” they do not mean the same thing that we think they mean. Which is why sometimes they say things that seem like nonsense. It is no longer nonsensical when you realize they have their own definition for that phrase, and it’s not “the will of the people being conveyed to the public servants through voting,” which is what we think it means. The meaning of that phrase is “us being in power.” So when they say “the public voting how they want to is a threat to our democracy,” it makes more sense when you read it as “the public voting how they want to is a threat to us being in power.”
"Our democracy" is ruling-class code for "our hegemony".
Jews
Democracy just means people-power. They just happen to define "people" as themselves.
Or just “regime/rule”
Edward Dutton, instant tap.
That was excellent... Dutton's words seemed more digestible to me that time.
Really looking forward to this.
Wow 2 of my favorites together at last!
Jolly Good! :)
Very Calvinist. “Am I a real conservative, or just a persuaded lib?”
"A little slurp shall we" KeithFloyd R.i.p. absolute legend
Hmm, I see that too, with, I think the same sense of nostalgia.
Dear God yes! My favourite TV chefs and may he forever Rest In Piece.
If anybody is looking for me, I will be hiding under the bed for the duration of this discussion!
Lay on the bed. Its more comfortable.
Excellent content awaits!
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Whoops! I think I got off at the wrong stop...but still, pretty cool!
Love this guy
Entertaining Guest. Thanks Ben.
My pleasure!
So interesting when you hear someone has Netflix in 2024
I think the first time I truly alienated a woke-head was nearly 15-20 years ago. My rather lefty roommate had a friend over. Since I occasionally gave money to the Republicans, I got a piece of junk mail from Michelle Bachman. the friend saw the piece of junk mail and just started screaming at me and how disgusted she was to be in my presence and not at all interested in hearing that I wasn't exactly a huge Michelle Bachmann fan either. This crazy cow actually tried to kick me out of my own house. I pointed out that I live here and showed her where the door was. My roommate got mad *at me* for this exchange.
„She…“
Exactly what I assumed.
I stumbled on Duttons youtube a few weeks ago. I can't believe he's on your show 😊
Very interesting interview. It's giving much to think about.
Very interesting perspective.
Good conversation. Interesting new angle I haven't heard. But I'll submit, things can't change until the economic model breaks. International trade has to radically shift prior to the social pressures coming.
Hello hello hello
And...GOODBYE!
Great conversation.
Every Boyce interview begins with some casual conversation followed by the guest asking "have we begun the interview yet or..?"
That's an accurate comment, nice to see you again...have we begun the reply chain yet?
@@Jules-Is-a-GuyWhat's the reply chain?
Great episode
Great job.
55:25 - Google Gemini was a teachable moment.
Beautiful talk, thank you!
I didn't have Love Is Blind on my bingo card for this episode.
I enjoyed this podcast. Thank you both.
Wow. Just wow. I’m a fan of Boyce and Dutton. This was far more enlightening, and depressing than I anticipated. I’m moving to Mars.
Get on Elon's passenger list
Get your ass to Mars.
Brilliant
Very enjoyable and illuminating.
I guessed correctly on Philip Larkin's looks when I heard Mr. Dutton recite his poem.
I think there's fertile ground to discuss how one's position in the beauty hierarchy is yet another variable on one's worldview that necessarily results from life experience.
Edit: He touches on this slightly when he relays his conversation about sex differences in the tavern.
What is it about Northern Europeans that they are socially incapable of tolerating anti-woke heresies?
I can't see this happening in Italy.
It could be interesting, but it would have to be more complex because beauty hierarchies and standards shift throughout time and region. You'd probably not be looking at points but rather curves or more realistically k-cluster curves on many variables
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 I wouldn't know what those inconsistent beauty variables would be, looking at classical statues and portraiture.
@ribbrascal1065 well a simple one would be the beauty standards of child, teenager, young adult, adult, older adult, etc. Another could be are the early or late for their school group.
It's less the beauty, and more where we're they when they hit or missed it
I think he or others say that Germanic or the British (British people are really half Germanic and half Briton,. Welsh have higher Briton genes) are meritocratic socialist type societies historically so if you could do a job you were in the club or tribe. Your actions counted more. Whereas maybe in historical Italo culture or southern Europe generally your cultural habits and beliefs etc were more important.
Also, historically being chivilarous was a part of Germanic culture which might explain why tolerance is higher even when it contradicts personal need?
Who knows.
Nice!
I appreciated this conversation for so many reasons. Amazing.
Mr. Dutton, how do you feel about going down in history as a "Hero"? I think you are well on your way! Thanks for being so cool!
I'm from Asia and a secular conservative and what I hate about Israel is them being hypocritical, they played the victim card and now they are doing the same in Palestine, those Jews who for all intents and purposes are European with very little genetic connection to the original jews in canaan who actually resembles the Palestinians more. The gaza problem is a political creation of the West.
They PLAY the victim card ? What? They have been the Victims for time immemorial and the Palestinians don’t exactly have a squeaky clean past …..Jordan for instance. Looking at how long peoples ancestry goes back is not very useful. But hey the Jews came out of Judea and if you look at quite a lot of the population of Palestine they are made up of Syrians etc.
They’re all created by Bolsheviks
That's not quite historically accurate. Certainly by the 1960s about half of Israelis were not European. Nor were all the Europeans new arrivals. European Jews started moving to Israel circa 1500AD to escape the Spanish Inquisition.
What I don't like about Israel is that they can have little immigration whilst pushing immigration onto other western countries, even though it is detrimental to us. For example our current far left government is bringing in thousands of unvetted Palestinian refugees every week. Hmm.
Great show.
I think it was Cicero that noted that the Germanic tribes did not like the same ruler for too long. Democracy is a white political deal. The Chinese and Slavs seem to prefer rulers to be more long term and autocratic.
The slavs were similarly quite democratic until they were dominated by mongols.
Athens
@@AVOIDAVOIDVOID Athens was a monarchy with only the city of Athens having a democratic function to execute (and later exile) a democratically elected troublemaker/person to keep the population calm. You sure you want to have it as an example of democracy?
Jolly good boys.
deeply interesting
Good stuff! I haven't started watching yet, but I'm pretty sure I've listened to this fella before, and I like the title.
This is a separate topic I've been thinking abt lately, but another good possible guest I'd like to learn more from is Charles CW Cooke, author of The Conservatarian Manifesto.
Dutton's New Conservative regime sounds like his own wet dream.
the midwit projects...by Eddie the shill.
@@Graham-tm2jx Scientific American: "In 2014, more than 130 leading population geneticists condemned the idea that genetic differences account for the economic, political, social and behavioral diversity around the world. In fact, said a 2018 article in Scientific American,there is a “broad scientific consensus that when it comes to genes there is just as much diversity within racial and ethnic groups as there is across them.” And the Human Genome Project has confirmed that the genomes found around the globe are 99.9 percent identical in every person. Hence, the very idea of different “races” is nonsense."
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING😂All nonsense.
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKINGWoah Scientific American said that? Wow they would never lie or skew a study or narrative to get paid they are too honest.
I guess genetics and behavior aren’t connected and the fact that you can tell a race of a skeleton by bone structure or skull shape doesn’t mean anything and as for those pesky IQ averages surely that’s not genetically related. People are just like dogs, you know how there’s only one race the human race and there’s only one breed of dog the dog breed? It’s like these Fascist White Supremacists tell me pit bulls and golden retrievers are different sometimes and it makes me so mad because they are both dogs and they aren’t different and there’s just as much difference within the pit bulls as compared to other dogs so really no dog breeds exist. Let’s put our heads in the sand and ignore pattern recognition and listen to Scientific American and get our booster shots because If reality wasn’t the way they present it to us then it would be way to uncomfortable and mean.
@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING this just proves .1 percent is a big deal surely, since it can literally change what kind of illnesses we are likely to die from, whether we get sick living in England, etc
-I am a far right extremist and I would consider the life of my dog more important than all sorts of people.
-Merkel said multiculturalism had gone too far before the "Syrian" refugee invasion.
Merkel is on record as saying "multikulti" doesn't work... then she opened the gates
She was probably bribed into doing it. Check her net worth before/after.
@@danielclemence3689 she was intel… an espionage agent or something… nestled so deep in the ass crack of the global establishment she wouldn’t know principles if they came and slapped her round the face while she was busy scissoring her buddy
Old trick, pacify the discontents by throwing them a rhetorical bone while making no substantive changes in policy. Sarkozy did the same thing in France. Watch what they do, not what they say.
@@michaels4255 Same sort of thing happens in the USA, several Republican party members pretend to care about the border until the corpos have a bribe to offer.
I do see the motivation he is talking about with the arts being unhappy people.
But there is also just the desire and satisfaction with creation.
Most of a nation's power depends on deterministic variables (intelligence of the population, health of the population, unity of the population, natural resources, geomorphology, etc.). Once you get this fundamental truth everything will make sense to you.
How does that explain corruption, degeneracy, treason, or tyranny?
How does that explain corruption or tyranny?
@@sanniepstein4835 corruption and tyranny exist only when a country is not united in the proper way (for example in a communist tyranny or in a runaway capitalist system), when the dominant classes don't really organically care about their fellow countrymen, often because these lower classes are not their own but imported in several ways.
The eighties were just like that! Perfect time to be a teenager 🙂😎
The cross over that i never expected
Edward Dutton previously on The Boyce of Reason (11 mo. ago): ua-cam.com/video/CJMmPLHmiu0/v-deo.html
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Looking forward to a follow up calmvo with Mr. Edward. The Kitty always enjoys wrong-thinkers and when they celebrate doing just that... 🐈head bonks abound!
I can't believe it's been that long! It feels like it was just a month or two ago
Thank you
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To make all beings equal denies the most important words in the constitution, the pursuit of happiness
Another excellent guest would be Diana Fleischman, and topic would be embryo selection.
Norway was NOT on the side of the Germans in WW2... The Finns were, however.
They actually switched sides, mid war lol. Small country low population, gotta do what you gotta do to survive. Fins i mean btw
Russia invaded Finland first 1939 or 1940 and took a sliver of Finland. When Germany invaded Russia or Stalin’s Soviet Union at that time in 1941, Finland to win back the lost sliver allowed German troops to occupy Finland and joined them in the fight to win back that sliver lost. Finn forces never ventured into Russia or the Soviet Union. Also the Finns never let the Germans control their Finn military ranks. Finns and Germans fought side by side never were a Finn soldier under German commanders. Finns had Jews in their ranks and few were handed over to the Germans.
@@jimcarlson2252 They did venture into Russia. They were a part of the siege of Leningrad. They almost reach Lake Onega.
@@eirikbelisarius1100 yes you are correct, I just read up on the “Continuation War” 1941 to 1944 where the Finns did fight side by side with the Germans and went beyond their original lands lost in the 1939 to 1940 Russian attack on Finland. The Finns fighting with the Germans side by side did fight well into the Soviet Union.
In 1939 to 1940 the Russians took about 10% of Finland. The Russians in 1944 launched an 2nd attack and took most of this 10% of Finland back, then focused on taking Berlin.
In early 1945 the US asked Finland to jettison the Germans and did right up to April, 1945.
You are correct but one fact remains, the Finn military was never under direct German military control unlike Ukrainians, Croats and Eastern Europeans who fought in the German Wehrmacht during WW2.
As a kid I remember reading about D-Day and when the German pill boxes were captured they found not just Germans but many Ukrainians manning these pill boxes with the Germans. This books author back when I read it in the 1960’s stated, some of the most ferocious combatants were Ukrainians not just Germans. Never forgot that.
While reading up on the “Continuation War” 1941 to 1944, I read in 1809 Russia fought to partition Finland from Sweden and did. Finland was part of the Russian empire but was left mostly to be autonomous and prospered. When the Bolsheviks revolted in 1918 Finland became independent of the Russian empire and the Bolsheviks agreed to let Finland become independent.
Why the diatribe all about Finland. Don’t mess with the Finns seems to be the history lesson.
@@jimcarlson2252 I know the Germans used former prisoners of war in Normandie to man the positions. I don't believe the American accounts from the 1960s about the conduct of the Ukrainians are representative. This was written in the middle of the Cold War. To discredit the Soviets would have been an obvious thing to do. Antony Beevor write in his book about the D-Day that most Poles etc. in Normandie took the opportunity to shoot their German officers and surrender to the Allied as soon as possible. Why would Ukrainians fight for the German Reich in Normandie? They had only agreed to serve in the German army to get out of the terrible camps for prisoners of war where most of the prisoners died.
demography is destiny, maybe. but how you interpret the numbers matters, an organised minority can beat an disunited majority
As the ✡️ have proven
3 kids currently, aiming for 5 or 6 now.
The more I watch Edward Dutton, the more I grow to love this guy. He is so fascinating and I love listening to him, explain his area of expertise. Also, we must save the white race. Hail hail our people.
18:20 if they identify more with outsiders then why don't they usually socialise with them? Dutton himself has often admitted that leftists -despite signalling social issues relevant for the outsider- only socialise and interact with white leftists like themselves. Why is that?
The personal threats against representatives is the most serious offensive against democracy
Benjamin's voice is like velvet
Sure hope nobody gets their feelings hurt here! Usually just me but "Misery Loves Company"!
Women voting made this so....
Huh I didn't vote for it I'm a woman
@@hermitpermit2553 in every western countries women vote allways majority left and women are 51 of population. Women hold signs "invaders " welcome .
And before that it was allowing non land owners and non freedmen the vote. So, if you really want to carry this back, then, no one that doesn't own land and hasn't served an apprenticeship and been freed, and isn't 25 or older should vote. This blame game goes way back before women got the blame.
@@rosafalls8068slippery slope fallacy
Op didn’t extend the blame past women getting the vote because he doesn’t believe the blame goes back that far …he believes it started with women getting the vote …so your entire reductive argument where we keep going back is erroneous since op never stated any of those groups were to blame
@@rosafalls8068 yes and would ad u cant vote if u dong have children
Demographics play a massive role in the world. Right now, Europe is facing a crisis, and it’s called the African birth rate. Africa has the highest birth rate in the world. In fact, the African population is going to double by 2050. The migration crisis hasn’t even begun yet.
T.hey can have as many children as they want as long as they stay on the southern side of the Mediterranean
Actually it's the falling birthrates in the west that is the problem. 1.3 per woman is below replacement. And our economic system depends on continuous growth. Actually, birthrates are going down in most of Africa, it's falling infant mortality increasing the population.
Reducing the differences of judeo-christian values and islamic values to basically wishing for ethnic exclusivity is an oversimplification. While it's certainly an aspect, the value systems are very distinct - enough to spark sincere ideological conflicts.
Please, young people have the same drive everywhere. Power, sex, ressources.
If they are Muslim they use their religion to morally justify their behavior. If there weren‘t any Islam, they would find another justification.
Certainly between Christians and Muslims. When Jesus came upon a woman taken in adultery he said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. When M came upon a woman taken in adultery he said stone her.
A fascinating explanation of something Boyce and most of the non British viewers are unfamiliar with and uninterested in.
i find materialism impotent. no wonder we are dying as a People.
It's the lack of existential threats. Easy to despair of materialism when you want for little.
Have a look at Calhoun's Universe 25 mouse utopia experiments.
When the physical constraints are removed evolution's mechanisms start to fail and the species suicides for want of a reason to go on.
Materialism is societal rot.
Ed rocks!
When you have a bug infestation, you call an exterminator.
Destiny? Sounds like a girl's name.
I don't agree that religious conflict is just ethnic conflict with a religious veneer plenty of people feel strongly about religions India vs pakistan is largely religious very similar ethnicities thats just one
I think this is a big misunderstanding of India. India has dozens of languages and just as many distinct ethnic groups. Additionally ethnic conflict doesn't fuss too much about ethnic adjacency.
@@Miranda17137Not to mention that there are even extreme genetic differences between different castes within India.
1:31:35 " Prussian Gloria" starts playing in the back, ...getting louder.
This may be off topic but i can really feel the difference in the world and i have thought that one thing that is different is that probably almost half of the US at least if not the entire western world is on SSRIs. Many older people have been on them for decades and we now have a generation of young adults who were medicated for various reasons as children. We may be experienceing the beginning of the zombie apocolpse. Decent people on these drugs become numb and apathetic. Others become sadomasichistic. For the record i am on no medications. Over the past few decades i have watched my peers become more and more hostile. And many i know have been on these drugs for the same period. Also, left people tend to like drugs of all kinds.
I love how cautiously Boyce moves further and further right every year. If I were to make a UA-cam channel, I think I would do the same thing.
Im late Gen X too. Born in '79
Edward is the most down to earth, intelligent and witty person I've listened to. I can't stop listening to him.
Humble suggestion for the Coffee book title: offinnded
1:47:40 “down the pike” refers to “down the turnpike,” that is, a limited-access highway with entrances barred by a pike.
52:38 So they're still in the 'we're outcasts, we feel dysphoria, we feel there is something wrong with the world and we believe in free speech' stage of activism.
@01:42:47 suggested book title ‘That was close’ :)
Great guest. I doubt I/O would be up for an interview. Cremieux might, they've done interviews with Alex K & Ed. Or you could try Datahazard but I dont think they've done any interviews yet
"Why is there no beautiful buildings ? Beacuase left wing people hate beauty because it is traditional and it is structure" is quite a bit reductive.
Recently, on a forum dedicated to the grey tribe (one that doesn't see itself aligned with the blue or the red), someone asked the same question of why there wasn't much in terms of architectural beauty, and one of the answers was by someone working in architecture and buildings, explaining that there was a huge component of just financial speculation on land value.
A big promoter buy a piece of land, and the way to make money is to quickly build something on it to then sell or rent the land for more money. What matters then is expediency, so pre made cheap things are how they maximise profit, hence all our ugly square similar looking buildings. And with one of the main source of funding in building focusing only on cheap and quick stuff, the economy for beautiful materials.and know how in buildings simply crumbles away, and individuals can no longer afford it either because it has become so rare and thus expensive.
Great discussion, I need a few hours to digest it all. It explained a great deal of behavior from the left.
1:47:32 "down the 'pike," as in turnpike.
I knew it! Somebody had already got their feelings hurt....and we just got started! Damn, I'm good!
Woah! Boyce with a background?!
Had to lay out the glamour for the distinguished guest
Flip the switch and let Ed roll!! 😅
I loved joking about the intersection of gay rights and ending Islamophobia.
I guess I am a generous mutant, since I have been sick most of my life and opted out of reproduction.
I always saw Christian Nationalism as the 1980s holy a-holes deciding to take over the nation and ban any geek hobby.
Left? Right? My position is that all authoritarians can get lost. I am very similar to my dad in that way. He once saw a documentary about various totalitarian regimes and wondered if we were the kinds of people who would say something no matter the cost.
When I discuss demographics, I like saying "Good riddance to the Idiocracy." Jolly Heretic once reviewed Idiocracy and said that it was far too optimistic.
...why would Christian Nationalists ban " geek hobbies" of all things...?