The Rise of the Woke Was the DEATH of Liberalism - Carl Benjamin (4K) | heretics. 40
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Carl Benjamin says he is as Far-Right as it gets. But what does it really mean to be Right or Left? What is Liberty? Here to get into the nuts and bolts of the philosophy of…life, Carl - known as Sargon of Akkad - takes us into controversial terrain. #heretics #woke #liberalism
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Chapters:
0:00 Carl Benjamin Highlights
0:01:10 Russell Brand vs Cancel Culture
0:04:10 Media Trying to Poison You
0:06:10 Count Dankula / Mark Meechan
0:07:10 US vs UK Freedom of Press
0:09:40 The way swear words changed
0:11:40 Savile & Epstein: Do We Need Trial By Media?
0:14:00 Does the Left Run The Media?
0:16:40 Andrew’s Story & Elon Musk
0:18:05 Carl’s Journey From Left to Right
0:20:10 Carl & Andrew Debate Fairness
0:23:10 Woke / Left Wing ‘Fairness’
0:29:50 You Don’t Want People Dying on the Street
0:31:10 What ‘Liberal’ Actually Means
0:38:10 Jokes About Minorities
0:42:40 Trans Ideology Madness
0:44:10 Carl as Right Wing as It Gets
0:46:10 But Hitler…
0:49:10 How to Help the Impoverished
0:52:40 Why Immigration is Not Normal
0:55:30 Kelly Osborne’s Faux Pas
0:57:10 Carl Cleaning Toilets, Andrew Building Rockets
0:59:40 A Heretic Carl Admires
1:02:10 Islamism (Software vs Hardware)
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Woke is a moronic insult, why are you mixing with abusive wankers?
Is this hate speach shout I write gold is a відсталий? Means r ard in eglish. But slow in ukrainian. Does it not mean to retard something means to slow down? No wonder enlish is a confusing language, it's a unity of like 10 different languages
The left don't want equality any more - they don't even use the word anymore - now they use the word "equity" - which really means a reversal - so there is still inequality, but it's turned on its head.
Ooo, I know why! He was bullied at school.
Are we 2 year old's? Why are you blanking words?
Far right, racist and transphobic just means normal, decent human being when leftists use these words.
Overused the words to such an extent that they've become void of all meaning.
You got that backwards.
Oh even a broken clock is right twice a day, so are leftoids. But the vast majority of the so-called "far-right" hold beliefs that was considered centrist until a few decades ago who are vocal dissenters to the far-leftist orthodoxy.
You think I'm a woker, I think you're a wanker.
"(Communist Party) ...members and front organisations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi,... (*or today, racist/homophobic/transphobic/islamophobic) the association will, after enough repetition, become 'fact' in the public mind." (Moscow Central Committee directive, 1943)
“I have never understood why it is ‘greed’ to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.” - Thomas Sowell
I guess the latter justifies themselves because it is being redistributed and for 'a greater good.'
A good, intelligent, self-made man who started on the 'left' and was honest enough to admit he was wrong. All the more valuable because he is a black man who can speak the truth without being accused of being a white supremacist, just an 'Uncle Tom'. 😐
A greater good, lol
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 They say that but then they also hate charity. You helping someone isn't good enough. They need to take your $ and then spend it on that person but then you don't get any of the joy or credit the "government" helped them. Look at Mr Beast. I can't think of a nicer thing you could do then give someone water. I'm rather picky about my water and would never deprive someone of good water. That doesn't make sense to me to be mad at that unless they think the governments power is more important then a thirsty person? Have you ever been super dehydrated thirsty? It's the worst. Meanwhile the government uses my $ to buy bombs. That's not greater or good.
The quote makes a great point in principle, but technically speaking, it can be at least partially explained away via the subtle difference between "greed" and "envy". Where greed is the insatiable desire for more (even though the greedy person has enough), while envy is the desire for what someone else has (regardless of how much or little the envious person has).
I thought I was a leftist liberal - but now I am told that as an old, White, male hetrosexual patriot I am "far right". OK, no problem.
Just make sure you vote how they've branded you... much as you might not like it, this leftist crowd has gone around the bend. They need a few losses, and then you can go back to voting for normal liberals if they ever exist again.
Patton right etc etc
white and anti globalist, it's good enough
Absolute muppet.
What's your position on Putin, though?
the psychological subversion is so intense on our people that we seem to even think we don't deserve the blessings given by our parents.
Exactly this.
Without the innitial narcicism of weakminded & also stupid individuals this level of social engineering wouldn't be possible.
Y'all are so close, just ask WHO and WHY for the subversion...
We know
I grew up in Glasgow in the 1980s and 90s. Saw drug dealers chop a guys ear of after torturing him. My uncle had about 6 slash marks on his face. Alcohol and violence everywhere. Used to steal toys from the council bins. I never knew that was privilege. I really didn't. Meanwhile, a black immigrant getting £37,011 in benefits (I work in the system and this is an actual case from this morning) are underprivileged. Who knew.
Yeah, it is insane how society sees Sir Toff Toffington III on TV and wants to sweepingly apply his position to all white men. Our childhoods were brutal and honestly quite frightening looking back.
@@loganblackwood2922 Agreed. I hung about with about 20 lads. Every single one got stabbed or slashed at some point except me and one mate who went on to join the merchant navy. I got into boxing and mma. And we weren't even bad lads.
Meanwhile black boys in London have PlayStation, Xbox and gucci trainers but are victims. It's all about justifying destroying white people. One day it'll come to a head.
@@stephenmurray2851We were messed up kids at the end of it all and some of us found a productive outlet for that pent up aggression, military, boxing, MMA and others found less productive means and ended up in prison or removed from the server of life. Looking back, so much of it came from no structure, no fathers and just outright nobody to care. And now? More of the same. It's terrible.
Why don't you blow the whistle on what you see? Go to independent journalists and get this info out there, you never know good may come from it
£37k that's fucking outrageous.
Andrew, get over yourself and stop thinking you don't deserve what you have. I was born working class and have worked hard to create a better future for my children. They deserve it, because I have been making choices, that others haven't, to benefit them. Myself and my wife, and two children, lived in a small two bedroom flat with relatively good wages, just to save money to secure their future. We could have wined and dined ourselves but chose to save for our children's future. We don't drink, smoke etc. So my children will hopefully benefit from this. Why should my choices help another persons child? A person who has not made the same sacrifices as me.
100%
👏👏 exactly right mate. We work now so they have a better start than we do. Enforcing shame on the same children that you worked your hands to the bone to help, robs all meaning from 5 decades of your life.
I commend your efforts and I would hope that even though you have made sacrifices to spare your children the same hardship, you can also give them the wisdom of the reward of hard work.
I have seen so many examples where the parents worked so hard for their children, but failed to show them how valuable the gift that they gave them was...
You're 100% saying that disadvantaged children deserve to be destitute by making that statement. It simply doesn't logically follow any other way. YES children deserve the best education possible and deserve all the things they need to succeed. But that's not because of you or what you've done that just means you're fortunate enough to provide it. Your children are not intrinsically more deserving just by being born to such a great pure blood wizard this is just absolute trash and it's hysterical to see people try and justify it.
@zephyr139 why does it have to be that way? Why can't we valerise the efforts of others without implicating the failures of some?
I don't think it has to necessarily mean the opposite is true, why do you?
It sounds like where resentment starts.
Sargon is so genuine and classy. It is always a pleasure to see him talk.
He's also a fascist
From Argentina,
total support against woke globalist agenda.
Afuera!
@@sid2112 So, how's the central bank's hire from Deutsch Bank and JP Morgan working out?
So how's that economy of yours going under your far right government?
@@SirBlackReeds Who, Brandon? That dude needs hospice.
You live in a fantasy world
Massive fan of Carl, he got me into UA-cam about a decade ago and thanks to him I never actually watch television anymore!
Ey up Boot. I feel the same about you x x x
Same here Royal 👍🤝
You and Carl would be interesting conversation
@@jamiebrooks3864 Yes this needs to happen!
@@hayleylongster4698 Thanks Hayley! 😊😊
This man is a legend, and a voice of sanity in our troubled times. Godspeed Carl.
"Jewish people, unfortunately for them, have got to drop the identity politics. I'm sorry about the Holocaust but I don't give a shit. I'm sorry."
Carl Benjamin
Godspeed to England. Y’all let us know if you need any special deliveries from the U.S. a la Beecher’s Bibles.
he spent years shaming people who emphasized the importance of keeping britain ethnically british, equating them with the far left
On many subjects sadly hes lost the plot on Ukraine and Russia.
He's a twat who clearly hates the working class. The only topic he's worth listening to on, is immigration. The rest of it is elitist, privately educated, self-indulgent bullshit.
The absolute disdain people have when talking about white people, specifically white men, along with Christianity and Britain/ Americanism is staggering.
It's literal racism, sexism and religious intolerance, but so long as the narrative is controlled it's permissible.
It wouldn't be too much of an issue if it wasn't backed up and promoted by *the state*
White privileges do indeed exist, but they are negated by the disadvantages.
Those disadvantages being:
- No semblance of culture or homogeneity
- Disproportionately the victim of hate crimes
- Disproportionately taxed at higher rates
- No scholarships or quotas, you simply have to be exceptional to thrive
- An entire media industry that is hell bent on unfavourable comparisons between your kind and everyone else's kind (white men can't jump, white people age bad, white people smell, white people have big noses, white people are slow, white people have smaller genitalia, white people can't dance etc) and then the gaslighting that comes along with that.
This stuff would not fly under the current cultural and legal system if it was reversed.
If so many white men weren't so bigoted they'd probably get more respect. Nobody has disdain for me because I'm white. It really does pay to be an egalitarian.
As someone who grew up in New Mexico, USA where I was always the minority yeah this gets me right in my core. Feels bad man. I remember being super mad at my 6th grade Spanish teacher just because he loved his culture so much. It took me a long time to figure out why he made me mad. Because I wasn't allowed to love myself like that. By age 12 I had already been taught to hate myself. "You didn't build that" President Obama said once referring to a bridge. This country just popped up or slaves did it. I should have no pride. But crimes in the past? Even though half my family were northerner colonists and the other half immigrated after the civil war that's my fault.
@drak976
Yeah, I love how my greatgrandpa who emigrated to the Midwest in 1914, and immediately started working in coal mines as a 15 yr
old oppressed all those people before him. I'm 4th gen American and we've all be either/and coal miners, factory workers, laborers, and vets.
@drak976
Great Grandpa emigrated from Britain btw. I presume he saw the writing on the wall about WW1
But those white men are some of the biggest bigots in history. SERIOUSLY! Have you even bothered to see what they got up to in Medieval times? Bunch of c*nts!
I mean. I'm a white male, and I'm fine with who I am, because I'm not a bigoted little shit, but some of our guys are so pathetic and so weak when it comes to Equality.
If I was ever going to become embarrassed because of other white men, there has never been a better time because of all their constant whining and cowardice in the face of a tiny little bit of equality for the people we normally treat as slaves. Blacks, browns., wives. Let's face it, white men are truly a dysfunctional bunch of wankers most of the time. I'm OK. Not sure about the rest of you.
That was lovely. It was great to become acquainted with this interviewer!
Thank you!
The thing with Count Dankula is that you can't even make the argument that 'as a public figure he should have had more foresight and not do something so heinous to disrupt the peace'. Until you look into the situation and realize the dude had ten followers on UA-cam and was just some guy until that incident occurred.
He was very fortunate that he built an audience. Everytime he got a job activists would contact the company he was working for until he was let go. Poor bloke would not be able to support his family without youtube.
I also somewhat fell for the media narrative on that whole case... Not like I love everything about Dankula but he didn't deserve what he got about all that, clearly.
I think that popular comedians should have the same freedoms as less known comedians.
I don't think that was their argument. I think it was more like" You made a joke we don't like" (Nobody was offended) That is why we went out searching for someone to be offended about a Austrian pug with artistic tendencys. " Oh it was a joke was it? Well too bad context don't matter" Now justice is served and we are such good and upstanding people.
Maybe you are aware of what they told him the context of his case did not matter. And this seems to be a theme with people who buy into this new cult.
That controversy never made any sense to me. The whole "dog raises paw to literally everything; I wonder if I can make him raise his paw to something utterly reprehensible to literally everyone..." joke is... y'know... predicated on the notion that not-zee-ism _is_ utterly reprehensible to literally everyone. The joke is that the dog is dumb. There are a million jokes on the Internet that run on this premise. But there I go again, trying to rationally understand the thought process of irrational people.
Next you'll be telling me that Noelle from BapKat (a guy plays Cards Against Humanity with his cat) is _actually_ a domestic tear-your-wrist...
I grew up in a left wing poverty-ridden hovel and the one person who tried to give me a break and get me a into a good school (primary school headteacher) was told to "get lost" because she couldn't guarantee the same for my siblings - neither of which studied anywhere near as hard as I did. As a result I was sent to an absolutely rotten secondary school where I was held back for three years for the rest of my year group to catch up with me.
That was my parents skewed interpretation of equity, it was soul destroying and I then had to spend 15 years fighting for the career I wanted the long way - only to be told at that point that as a white man I don't deserve it, and my only saving grace being that I am homosexual. It's lunacy.
Sorry to hear that, the lunacy 🤦♀️
That isn't only your parents' view of that. That is the socialist viewpoint as well. Everybody needs to be kept at the same level. However no one needs to be kept anywhere.
This is the lunacy of wanting fairness. It’s entirely unfair!
I tell my kids all the time, if you want things to be fair for you sometimes you have to share the fair so everyone can have some but that means when they have the fair you don’t and vice versa otherwise no one will have anything.
To be fair, the Right doesn't do sob stories, so.. toughen up? 😄
Clown world.
I think a better way to word one of the points that Carl was trying to get at is that there is a distinction between "fair" and "equal".
Me being born in a middle-class family, and someone else being born into poverty is "unequal", but if we are both born in the same country with the same laws governing us, and therefore have the same underlying capacity to grow by legal means, that is still "fair".
Think of it like a sports game. You could have a poor kid and a rich kid playing on opposite sides of the game. As long as the rules are applied the same, then the game is going to be "fair".
I worked cleaning as well. You discover your inner strength to handle shyt, get shyt done, and work past the shyt, even literal at times. And you come out much stronger, confident, and unafraid afterwards.
Absolutely. I come from a comfy middle-class background and feel everyone should at some point (ideally as a youth for the valuable life experience) should work min wage for a time. Doesn't matter how grimy or if it's only for a year. It's just so you hopefully have the basic humility after dealing with strangers treating you like garbage because they've had a bad day and can't handle their own problems so share them with society or just being completely ignored by other people.
It means the youngest of my cousins all know what the value of £1 earned and £1 spent is before they leave uni studying whatever. They look the part, but they're not totally sheltered princesses after working a bar, getting shouted at/whatever, not complaining, just getting on with it... then going to do it again the next shift.
Really, every kid who leaves school and doesn't join the armed forces/learn a trade/enter the civil service/something else specific needs to have a job that might involve being asked to keep a public bathroom clean, then not quitting the first time they actually get asked to. Try acting out the original comment and see if it doesn't make you a better person despite being literal shite.
Working menial jobs like that humbles you early on. Now we wonder why we have a generation of fragile narcissists who think blue collar jobs are beneath them 🤷♂️
I used to have outdoor toilet, no bathroom etc, grew up in Rochdale, started work for a builder, worked hard ( though I didnt realise it at the time) never did drugs, stayed with my kids mum. Eldest is now training as a chopper pilot and other two at private school. I am constantly referred to as priviledged or lucky by people who would never unblock a toilet, start work in the dark or put up with exhausting work. Scrape off those that drag you down.
Well done you!!
Brilliant! Great comment.
Really odd how people say individuals are privileged without knowing anything about them.
Depends on who is making the accusation, boomer generation was definitely privileged in comparison to later ones.
4 years average salary would get you a house, now it's 10 years. This means that someone now would have to do 2.5x as much as you to get the same thing.
Some may say that we have reached a point where it is a privilege to not be brought up to have a chip on your shoulder about race.
There's no guilt for what is given to you by your parents. There's no honour for giving to other people what is not yours.
And if someone inherits a lot they can always give it to a worthy cause, which is infinitely better than the government stealing it.
I think it's relative. There's not much pride in being a trustafarian
@@jayjaydubful
And in my experience most trustafarians are left wing.
Funny that huh?
Funny how the left is always so happy to embrace the wealthy and upper classes if they say the correct things.
You don't see many of the antifa lot turning on those amongst them who are very wealthy (tends to only be revealed when the police and the newspapers get involved).
@@jayjaydubful Why? You know how easy it would be to piss all that inherited wealth away? Some people inherit wealth and are able to maintain or build on it by the time they pass it on to their kids, which would require a certain amount of will power, discipline, and self control that one could take a certain amount of pride in.
@@jayjaydubfulbecause you are not one?
I am born a lower working class man, when I was young we were so poor that we literally couldn’t afford to keep the lights on, or the heating. My mother’s car was repossessed and at Christmas there was only ever a present or two for both me and my brother. Yet not once, never once did I ever at any point of my life feel envious for what others had. Even the most richest of the people I have known in my time on God’s good Earth I never once demanded for what they had or was angry that I had so little. I’m a self employed tradesman, so I work for a variety of different people of different social classes. From very high to the very low. And always everyone is polite and respectful, they always make us a cup of tea, and never did I feel angry at looking at their big houses or land or cars or anything. Grow up, do your best and try hard to succeed where you’re skilled and for goodness sake, get a real job! You might not live rich, but you will live happily.
Underrated comment. Just really wholesome stuff and true to life. Alternatively, go work for part of gov't or any big corporate structure if you want to learn the value of "job satisfaction". You don't have to be depressed or anxious all the time. God bless.
@@WK-47 God bless you also.
Exactly.
This guy isn’t far-right, he is just normal
I agree on Tommy. He's been a crass guy who has said stuff without thinking back in the day, but that hardly makes someone a villain. He was a family man and a business owner who noticed some shady stuff going on with a particular immigrant community and started calling them out for it - that's why he's considered racist/xenophobic. Problem is (as Carl pointed out) Tommy was right and everyone can see it now.
You call grooming gangs 'shady stuff' ? Repeatedly raping and abusing young white girls and passing them around is just 'shady stuff'? A disgusting crime perpetrated on a mass scale by an ever increasing ethnic group of a certain persuasion that is now openly intimidating the general population and the establishment. The same establishment that had conspired to shield them for years. Or perhaps you're thinking that because the girls were white they had some 'immeasurable advantages' like Andrew.
'Shady stuff' is how you refer to the nationwide disgusting 'cultural' activities of the Pakistani grooming gangs? Are you suggesting that if only TR had given a little more thought to the situation he could have rephrased his responses nicely without upsetting his betters who were shielding the gangs?
@@judithcressey1682 It's actually difficult to find words that are strong enough. Words like criminal, disgusting, appalling etc. all don't seem adequate for the rapists or the system that was scared to punish them.
Completely agree, what the media believe is if you call someone a racist far right thug often enough people will believe it. Its the same with Enoch Powel, you ask anybody today about him first thing they will say is racist.not because they know it but because they have been told he is often enough.
It was personal. His cousin was raped by a grooming gang and his mate started to become a Muslim extremist and there were Muslims flying the ISIS banner in his town at one protest.
Strange that the sanest and bravest cultural commentor we have came out of gaming, not academia or politics. Take a bow Sargon and God help us.
Carl is essentially the recruiting Sergeant of the new political model army that England and the UK needs for the coning civil strife/war. He has done an exceptional amount of work, reading and studying, and he is perfectly placed to enroll new recruits in his position on UA-cam. But the movement needs generals with vision and IQ at least 20 to 30 points higher to develop a plan to bring about the Reconquista/Restoration of England (political and ethical, and probably religious). They will need to have Trump-like ability to be unwounded by the slings and arrows of mainstream media and judicial system, they will need to be self-funding to remain above commercial sirens calling to them, and have sufficient megalomania to want to take the job and yet sufficient self-control to ensure that we do not over-compensate as they drag the political pendulum back towards centre-right.
Who and where are the generals?
@@golfbulldog until it becomes to modern relationships and then he is clueless and naive
We just wanted to game bro
@@James_36 Go to church and find a partner.
@@golfbulldog I got a partner, Tradcon women are among the worse lol
I have been waiitng about 18months for an NHS specialist appointment. Free at the point of use yes, but approx £200/month of my taxes is going to the NHS probably so that is £2,400/year to not get an appointment. It is a no brainer to go private, sure, you spend an extra £600/year, but you get an appointment within 2 weeks. NHS needs totally reformed.
I really enjoyed watching this interview/chat. I like how rather than arguing, you challenged Carl on why he sees and believes things in the way he does. Subscribed
I can promise you, he’s not as far right as it gets.
you do need to entertain the person's definition to understand what is meant.
Hehehehhehe
Maybe. But maybe also he should be.
@@quinnimon nah
@@stevenobrien7686 Yes, he should be much further right.
Voted remain, always voted Labour. Considered myself left. I was wrong. The hysterical self flagellating want me to hate myself and hate my history. It wants me to prostrate myself on every issue. I WAS the work moaner. I was the family gathering hysteric. And here's the shocking lesson I learnt BLM, woke politics,trans, whitewashing etc isn't just despised by me. About 7 months ago I started working with younger people. From ages 20- 35 mainly. Dozens. And all they talk about is being so fed up of left wing hysterics. That jobs should be given by the colour of skin and not talent, that every issue should have you tearing up paintings and glueing yourself to the road hysterical mental breakdowns. Its changing people, they're driving everyone to the same politics my grandfather did. And I'm all for it.
The word that describes this is Dogmatism. For some people, this is their everything; their character.
being a leftist hasnt nothing to do with identity politics wokeism BS.
@@artofw4r291 Purely a coincidence that those two always go hand in hand, no link there at all.
Yep. Many of us have left The Left. Or really The Left left us. I wont be voting for any left-wing parties as they currently stand. Not because I'm not left-wing or liberal but because these parties and even many conservative MPs are liberalism on steroids. Nadine Dorris from the Tories wanted to ban "offensive" comedy and many Conservative MPs including Boris signed a petition to ban blacking up on comedy. Which is utterly ridiculous. It completely ignores context. Should we ban White Chicks and Mrs Doubtfire? These people are certified crazy. Im voting Reform and seeing how they fare. I dont care anymore. The other parties are done.
@@cousinzeke4888 well tbf only 55% of left-wingers call themselves woke. Many of those may not call themselves woke anymore as that was an old poll and many may now be right-wing but only due to an overtun shift.
Carl is not far right. Not even moderate right.
How is Carl not moderate right? He values family, freedom, ineqality to bring out diversity as opposed to different races with the same ideas, responsibility, respect and fairness.
@@markmiddaugh8203 He is controlled opposition. He pretends to value those things but only in a symbolic way. He selects only safe issues to disagree with- and only to an extent that would never exclude him from appearing on mainstream programs.
His alliances are very elastic.
Very interesting. On the point about individuals controlling their own lives, here is my example.
I’m an Australian woman.
As a full-time public servant, I decided to study law at evening classes. I did get study leave (time off) as part of the enterprise bargain agreement with my employer, which I used as time to drive to the law school. I paid for tuition fees, books, travel, etc. I used my vacation leave to study and attend exams.
Several of my colleagues were involved in family life and made different choices, while their children were young.
Some of them asked me why I bothered to try to get legal qualifications. I said I was interested and had the time to do it. They thought I was silly to make the effort.
When I completed my course and won a promotion, several of them were put out, and couldn’t understand why I won the job with the higher salary, and more responsibilities. So my effort, time, persistence, diligence and expenditure had no value for them. It all came down to unfairness because my position improved, relative to their stagnant position, over a 4-5 year period of my part-time study.
I came from a low income family in an impoverished area. My primary school was a demonstration school within the Catholic school system, so they tried out new methods on my school. My one benefit was my intelligence, and my ability to use my opportunities. How is that unfair if someone else had a different school environment, chose a different path, a different lifestyle, family structure and use of their personal time and effort?
I did get some affirmative action boost as a woman when I applied for jobs within the public sector but only so that I could reach the interview and not be culled because I was not male. It took several attempts and significant improvement in my performance at interviews before I cracked a win, and got two different promotions within the same week. So it was not based on affirmative action in the end.
I may be white but, with two convicts in my family tree, I am not privileged.
And the blocking of white males on non-merit grounds is definitely unfair.
carl banjamin 2016 ''im a classical liberal'' 2024 ''im just about as far right as you can get''. this is the way
Those 2 statements are the exact same though
@@darkma1ice no they are not, Liberalism is a blight on the world.
@@Sevaria
Classical liberalism, modern day would be libertarianism, is considered right-wing sometimes even far-right.
@@Web720 classical liberalism is not right-wing.
@@Sevarianot sure what you think liberalism is. It's the Enlightenment ideal of individualism. It makes capitalism possible. It's the opposite of statist and collectivist ideologies like Communism and Fascism. In the US, traditional Republicans and Democrats are both liberalist.
I'm the same!!!! I was left wing voter for 20 years but I will never vote left again
Thomas Jefferson was wrong to say that the best government is that which governs least. Likewise its wrong to say the best government is that which governs most. Instead the best government is that which governs most justly for all members in the polity. The ancient Western-knowing : Justice is that which one does for another.
Left how? Labour party? Democrats? Greens?
Ditto. The reaction to Brexit was the clincher and the Left have really exposed their dark side since with their Critical Theory bullshit.
@@powderandpaint14All of the above are in thrall to the Woke (Critical Theory) ideology/cult.
@@JMUL15 I'm asking the OP who they voted for specifically.
Great conversation, thank you.
This was a very engrossing conversation. You've earned my subscription.
Being a lefty nowadays is so performative, don’t think just obey
To them, life is easier that way
I think the crazy thing is how the left have essentially dropped impoverished workers completely. It's a phenomenon of middle class college kids being all theatrical and towing the line on eco-fraudulance and cultural wokeness while they don't give two shits about the ordinary people clocking in and out for 40 hours a week doing mundane jobs.
When I meet the more old style of leftists whose political philosophy centres around making work pay, nationalisation etc I don't necessarily agree but they seem more switched on and it's a legitimate thing to bring to political discourse. But the 2024 culture wars kids that want to topple statues can get in the sea.
@@Hazamandeous I'm a lefty. I like to think that I think. Why not ask me a question or two? Turing test me.
@@malirk Do you believe in ACAB?
@@MrHeavy466 Some cops are bad. Some are good. The best we can do is point out the good examples of policing and bad examples. Blanket statements allows for abuse to be called out or does not seek to improve a system.
We need to address issues with policing in the US. Take a look at many points made from liberal organizations. A lot of people (Like myself) want funds somewhat reallocated. Take for example someone is doing drugs and having problems, someone for security (police) and someone who has mental health / addiction training would be best to intervene with this individual.
I want better resources for our society when it comes to helping people who take a detrimental path. The goal of these resources is to rehabilitate these individuals. A lot of the system right now is built off profit which is a major incentive (flaw in my view) that keeps the system perpetuating itself.
I’m a Minarchist who wants people to be free to associate and transact as they see fit. It’s shocking how rapidly in these last few years my stances on individual freedom and limits on the reach of government have gotten me labeled as “far-right” and how when I express them in certain circles I’ve been accused of being a Not See.
Can’t quite figure out how an anti-authoritarian egalitarian who believes in the intrinsic value of all mankind is now controversial or even “hateful” 🤷♂️
It's collective mental rot that has set in and metastasized to full-blown malignant tumor. It can be painful when friends get caught up in it to the level of cult-like frenzy. Although the cost of getting in line and immediately engaging in lock-step mindless puppetry is too high, IMO. Find new friends who like you for you AND who expend the effort to know who you truly are, not some caricature they can manipulate to their narcissistic whims. Don't give over your power to the name-callers whose lust for control is their end-goal.
Well your not a communist thats whats wrong.
Because the people criticising you ARE authoritarian , in that they believe their opinion is the only valid one . Further , they are ANTI egalitarian by virtue of wanting to exalt some protected groups above the rest .
I’ve always felt anarchists have more in common with the right, ie no government
Cringe Minarchist vs chad Ancap
This discussion has some of the best points I've ever heard on the subject, honestly.
This was an interesting conversation. Part 2 anytime soon?
As a person born to a single mother in a rotting council maisonette who from 3 to 11 waa abused by my stepdad, i do not begrudge you having opportunities that i didn't.
@nagillim7915 I’m sorry to hear of your terrible upbringing. May I ask how you got out or through it?
He had those opportunities owing to hereditary wealth, not owing to his hard work or merit. Just because you're happy for children to grow up destitute, doesn't mean modern society agrees with you.
@@emmabyrne2136did you even understand anything that was spoken about in this discussion?
Who is happy for 'kids to grow up destitute'? No one said that did they?@@emmabyrne2136
@@emmabyrne2136 your syllogism is off.
I have an immense admiration for Carl, he's done a lot of hard work and actually has done the thing that everyone likes to pretend they've done, he researched the ideology of his opponents extensively, all of it, he understands it more thoroughly even than they do, and it is from that understanding that he's constructed his opinions.
That knowledge has rendered him quite wise and effective at communicating where these concepts lead to, and it's always fascinating to hear him speak on these topics.
He does? I doubt he’s ever read Karl Marx. If he did, he is utterly incapable of steelmanning the arguments. The guy just barfs one strawman after the other and doesn’t source anything (because he can’t).
@@chaosinfusion8127 Not sure if you're serious, or if you're letting your own bias influence your perceptions.
He's citing the philosophers directly who are the source of these movements and ideaologies.
So yes, he has read it at least a couple times iirc. If you'd like a good example of him doing his research on an opposing position, you can check out his videos dissecting Critical Race Theory.
Maybe you'll appreciate his thorough treatment of the source material there? Since he literally goes through their massive complete textbook and points out what they are literally saying.
And these are the people who started these ideologies, the people who coined the terms and everything.
@@chaosinfusion8127 He literally runs a channel called Lotus Eaters where they do all kinds of side projects doing EXACTLY that.
Say you know literally nothing in regards to what you are talking about in fewer words, he HAS read Marx. He's talked about his readings. His CREW has talked about their readings.
In fact, what he responds to and talks about is usually what other people are saying, verbatim, in general.
He knows more about classical philosophy than grievance theories. Would be good to see him have a sit down with James Lindsay
@@Moon-Labs Him and James had a long conversation on Benjamin Boyce's channel a while back. I'll have to listen to it again. Unfortunately some time recently James and Carl seem to have had a falling out but not sure why. I really appreciate both of them. My friend Pete worked with James on the Grievance Studies Affair back in 2017-2018. James has two podcasts: An introduction to classical liberalism and the problems with it.
Wonderful, insightful conversation. Mutually respectful, willing to listen to each other, this should be the way we learn and progress and do not trend toward destroying the society. Beavo!!
Really enjoyed hearing someone saying whay I think, and not being told what I should think. Thumbs up. Good questioning too by Mr Gold. Goofy but good 😂 thanks
Equality of outcome will always result in the lowest common denominator.
Except for those running the system. The ones who say power is everything to get that system enacted, then become the narrowist of monopolies
"Spreading the misery around." Also, the imaginary utopia these nuts want always requires an oppressive state to administer it. It simply can't exist in a way that the average person would actually like or benefit from it.
@@ironheadedDoFbecause communists always think they’ll get be to benevolent dictatorship of the proletariat
Except for the “Party” members.
All current parties may as well combine and just rename themselves “Ingsoc” as that is where they want to go.
@@ironheadedDoF @kwc1138 I would refer back to a great book Dawkin's "The Selfish Gene" which is kind of a goofy clickbait title because it makes it seem like there is 1 selfish gene when his argument is much more that genes are selfish. Anyways if I interpreted his book correctly his argument was all behavior was tied directly to reproduction hence selfish genes. So me in my peasant mind think the behavior we see is the elite trying to get normal people not to breed so that their "elite" genes can more easily propagate. "No don't have kids thats wrong" while they plow through endless well youtube won't let me use words but uhh young ladies.
Not sure I've ever heard fairness so well explained... Well done
Hey Andrew i thoroughly enjoyed that discussion, Thanks! Sub'd
When I realized that BBC news wasn't actually the news but was just updates on the narrative, I started to look into what other things there were that may not be as true as they say. Tommy Robinson was one of those subjects. I watched his speech at the Oxford Union which totally changed my mind and frankly made me distrust the BBC even more. If you want to learn about the guy or want somewhere to start learning about him then this is a good place. He talks openly and honestly (I believe) about his life growing up on the estates and how he ended up being public enemy number one.
I had the same experience watching that Oxford Union speech. I was raised a lefty and grew up hating Robinson.
He's the perfect example of the fact that most left wingers actually despise the average working class British person.
Me three. BBC must fall. Used to think it was the best. No more
@@SolarJakeeand some middle class also desperately crave not to be identified with the working class, in a desperate desire to be part of the elite. As if that will save them.
I really enjoyed this discussion. Big fan of both yourself and Carl. With regards to Tommy Robinson he gave a talk at the Oxford Union, which is available here on youtube, and that was extremely interesting. If you can find that it tells you a lot about why Tommy is the way he is. Tommy is not a racist and he's not anti Muslim he's anti Islamist. In fact he came to the defence of a Muslim that was wrongly accused. Tommy is perhaps the most oppressed and maligned individual in the UK.
I always recommend that Oxford Union talk. Was amazing.
I truly believe they went after him so hard in order to use him as a scapegoat to give a reason to continue to ignore the crimes he was highlighting. That it turned out that even a member of the royal family was involved in that stuff says a lot.
TR is containment.
And who's maligning him? The rulers are. Tells you something about the rulers. And your "royal family" of crooks.
Thanks for having Carl on. Really nice calm chat. Carl’s a legend and doesn’t offend me at all and I’m gay.
Two handsome blokes too!
Pro tip: put a high pass filter on the audio to eliminate the 1 million booms from Carl touching the desk. Listen on some air pod pros and you’ll get driven mad with the bad audio. Or mount the mic not to the desk, or use a shock mount. Or all of the above
That booming sound!
Okay.. I have watched every episode.. this one went by so quickly.
I was glued to the entire episode... fabulous!!!
Welcome aboard. Between Carl and his hoards, there’s so much more to behold. Sincerely, welcome.
@@zedasamuel7164 A hoard would be a treasure like smaug. I'm assuming you meant horde like tons of random guys who are looking for a sausage roll. I ate one of those the other day. It was dreadful. My child wisely ordered a croissant with eggs and they seemed far happier. I always order the worst things on the menu it's not even about $ I just have bad taste.
Carl is a calming presence for me. I see Carl, i click
Me too. I feel like he comforts my brain
He puts our thoughts into words very eloequently and adds cause and reason.
Uncle Benjamin
Andrew very good I found you your refreshing in your innocence....😂
I'm following!
One part which really stood out to me was the part of a man being discriminated against whilst trying to join the police force. It stood out because the same thing happened to my mum. She wanted to be a Police officer in what would have been the early to mid 80s I guess. She was told that she was too short and that she had glasses. These two factors stopped her even getting through the first stages. It was a clear no. Short and glasses, that's not allowed. Shortly after she met an Asian woman who was shorter than her, also needed glasses, and the Asian woman was just employed as a police officer. So it turns out it had nothing to do with eyesight and height. If my mum was not educated enough, they would have said that. If she was overweight/ not fit enough, they would have said that. If she was the wrong age, they would have said that. Why would they not tell you when it's something as benign as that. If they had to lie, it must have been based on something that could cause them embarrassment. And the obvious difference between this woman and my mum, which would cause embarrassment to the police, especially in the 80s before people started getting so butt hurt about everything, is that my mum was white and the other lady was not. My mum never had any ill well towards the woman. Nor did she ever use the experience to feel ill will towards any other race or minority. She always just felt frustration towards the police force. Because they clearly made exceptions to their normal rules to encourage DEI hiring before it was really a thing. And she always just felt frustrated that she had been clearly discriminated against. This is not equality. And in todays climate, compared to the 80s, we are going to see this racist bullshit again and again and again. It's wrong. And people know it's wrong. But it keeps happening.
This is the interview I'm delighted to see.
“May the wings of liberty never lose a feather.”
- Jack Burton, Big Trouble in Little China
One of the best quotes I’ve read in a comment section 👌 absolutely brilliant film
A true American.
Jack who?...
Captain of the Porkchop express.
Old jack burton on the pork chop express and im talking to anyone who is listening out there.
“Charity used to be a huge thing in this country”
And then it started dying out because Henry VIII wanted a boy so badly that he broke with Rome. Removing Good Works as a religious mandate was the beginning of the end for voluntary charity on a societal level.
Why do you think unadopted orphans started rising in number afterward?
I really get to like your British way of openly discussing even controverse issues.
100% agree with the Tommy Robinson comment. 100%. It’s actually been a privilege watching the way that man has handled himself.
He is a strong man of conviction. They have so easily smeared him because he is working class. They don't want strong men of a larger class than the political elite.
Well done Carl for giving Tommy the thumbs up. Andrew, you would be a brave man to invite Tommy on your show, but it would be so worth it
Totally agree with Carl's view on Tommy. I had the same misinformation about him but I haven't found anything racist that he's put out.
As for the Islam issue - it's actually quite racist to conflate Muslim with race.
The biggest failure in this idea that, unequal outcomes must mean fairness, is that it eliminates the freedom to fail; and subsequently then to take risks. A lot of people conveniently overlook the fact that many people who are well off, have taken massive risk, and sometimes even were at one point exceedingly poor. It is the freedom to fail; to be subjected to and exposed to extreme failure, that allows people to actually succeed. Because you cannot have one without the other. So long as scarcity exists, there will always be people less off than others.
And that's the second failure; evaluations of fairness based purely on the relative outcomes of two individuals is inherently itself unfair and pointless. It ignores that someone can be exceedingly lucky, even unfairly favored in a variety of ways, but still have a shit life. A great example of such a thing is the rich kid elite that winds up broke and homeless after squandering his family's wealth and constantly abusing his elite connections only to finally be abandoned by his friends and family.
Andrew I love your interviews! My only “criticism” is: could you very briefly introduce who your guest is at the start of the video? I knows you write it in the description but I’d love to know who the person is, right from the start. Maybe it’s just me, but I thought I’d let you know in case it’s useful feedback 😊
I grew up as a 'normie' until, over a twenty year period, I gradually noticed more and more unusual changes in my community which were mostly due to immigration. I used to think that mass-immigration was like a natural phenomenon which cant be stopped, like the tides or the sunrise. However, I now realize that it's due to a relatively small number of elites who exploit immigration for profit...I now believe that it cant only be stopped but can even be reversed with enough political will.
I personally think Carl is the one man that really has a great hold on what all of this is about, he nearly always has a great awnser for seemingly complicated topics.
This is fascinating from a USA person. I love Carl and I find him so interesting. I like to learn about our brothers and sisters in the UK. Keep fighting for free speech and you will always have support from us across the pond!
Im a bit older, but I took work as a teen including cleaning, including pub loos and bathrooms in a hotel, chambermaid, kitchen porter/washing up, barmaid, restaurant waitress and retail work. Its character forming to have the responsibilities you have at work, and through life should keep you grounded and a bit more appreciative of the different services people are providing.
Born with a season ticket to Spurs is an awful handicap for any child to live with.
That’s a good way to curse your child for life 😂
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. YNWA
That is purely retarded. I grew up rather poor. But my extended family were millionaires. My cousins grew up without worry. But they are geniunely kind and good people. Isnt it convenient that poor people think it's a blessing and have false pretenses of the wealthy because of TV lmao. It's like how many hyper wealthy people do you know and how many act moronic? You use the same way of thinking that leftists use
Great interview, I really enjoyed this episode. Carl Benjamin has some fresh insights into "liberalism" that I've never heard before.
I'm surprised you don't know much about Tommy R.. I'm in Canada and I have heard about him for a few years now. Carl is spot on about him. He's been speaking up about stuff and isn't scared to go to jail, which is what happens it seems with those who don't stay quiet when they see horrific atrocities and injustices. Wish there were a lot more of Tommy's as England and other countries wouldn't be in such dire straits.
Excellent, well done for interviewing Carl, a great bloke.
30:42 Andrew here in Canada we're veering left and more people are dying on our streets...burning to death in a tent with mental health issues and addictions trying to stay warm in our winters.
Look up MAIDs yearly rate. It is a government sanctioned massacre.
Lotus Eaters (Carl Benjamin's podcast) recently did a segment on this.
Can gov is evil.
just theory, no action (putting money into solving the many social crisises we face here).
Back in the day Christopher Hitchens had a chat show in America where he would regularly bring on all kinds of extreme guests including actually triple-K members. He'd bring them on to challenge them and, usually, succeeded in making them look stupid. No one at the time clutched their pearls because he did this. No one scolded him for "platforming" dangerous people and ideas. Everyone understood what the purpose of it was.
The fact that people say that Tommee Robbinnsun(sp) shouldn't even be given the opportunity to speak or explain himself is not because they're afraid of his "dangerous ideas" from spreading, it's because they know that he's _not_ like that and doesn't _have_ dangerous ideas, and they don't want others to realize that.
amazing!!!, not one word that would disagree with Carl about. More of him in the future please! Let's stretch the guy a bit!
Funny no more: I can't find 'Yes, Minister' or 'Yes, Prime Minister' funny now that I know they are not sitcoms but documentaries.
I don't think it stops it being funny, but I get what you mean... It's kinda scary/frustrating/depressing/etc. as well...
Back around 2008 I imagined a comic about a dystopian future where even cold hard facts from the ONS / American equivalents could be "hate speech" if "used in the wrong way".
It came true before I could even draw it.
That's what makes them funny.
It's funny because it's true.
It's less funny in real life but this is partially our fault for allowing these criminals to rule us.
The Nations of Sanity project presents the solution.
Peterson in an interview not too long ago said something like: thinking about yourself is the same thing as misery. This put me onto a study that differentiated between self-rumination and self-reflection, and how the former was directly correlated with increase in depressive behaviours.
When Carl mentioned that we wouldn't be in the ideological crap hole we're in if we had some real problems to deal with, that made me connect with the above. Are we as a society depressed?
Because it seems strange that we would just curl up and die when met with all the attacks thrown at the UK.
that is a good question.I will search it.
Try living with the attacks thrown at Ukraine, Princess.
Yes. The simplest way of understanding it that I'm aware of is thinking of Europe as being a middle-aged person living in material comfort but ultimately feeling empty and suffering a variety of symptoms (hint: look at certain cultural behaviours and ask why they exist the way they do) due to severe trauma inflicted from two world wars. It was just struggling to move on so never stopped to really iron things out, get therapy or whatever.
It's petrified by war to the point of becoming militarily weaker than any other country would be in the same situation and relying on US support to enjoy the invisible border wall from things like NATO. It just wants to avoid war at all costs, which seems fine till you no longer have the cultural sense for pretty normal things globally, like patriotism. So, Germany never starts WWIII - great, but now multiple generations lack the instinct of perceiving material threats or having to risk harm to protect something worthwhile.
I don't think this is a uniquely European thing. I don't think it's a racial matter at every level. Maybe what Europe is currently going through is unique in the world right now, but cultural trauma seems to exist in other regions of the world. "China as an individual entity" seems to have some issues after revolution that led to the self-destruction of a lot of their cultural legacy, at least from our general perspective the CCP would of course dispute.
Japan is another one. It had a much stronger post-colonial cultural influence from the US than Europe (note, it wasn't just the US that was active in the Pacific during WWII) but are much more European "who needs them except soldiers and maybe farmers?" in their attitudes towards firearms - so again with the question of cultural trauma around war, uniquely being the only direct victims of atomic war ever while committing literally the worst war crimes ever in history. To be clear, this is the Empire of Japan and Unit 731 as a particular extension of it. The current Japanese democracy has to face the reality of preceding governments, just like the people have to process that trauma, but they haven't and so act out in certain ways.
I realize some of my opinions are involved in all this, but in this case at least, they become my opinions because it's how things actually seemed to be. We need to remember that just acknowledging something in concept or referring to it isn't moralistic. You're not performing any act related to what's being referred to or even saying you approve with something ethically/morally, just observing its presence. If you (as in, anyone) struggles with this idea, without exaggeration, just learn your history. Study various historical events and notice the patterns across time and cultural boundaries. Then you start seeing things you might call evidence of certain parts of the human condition.
Again, I can't deny my bias in this, but going back to your question, it does at least provide the most complete explanation I'm aware of to the current state of Europe, Europeans and Europeanism. Even if you don't buy it, that topic still has relevance, because something exists between Russia and North Africa that will have some knock-on effect on those regions. I'm no expert or authority on any of this. I'm not sure about every detail. It just makes sense in the big picture.
Maybe if you weren't so obsessed with yourself, as Peterson is, you'd realise what a FAKE "genius" he was.
@@WK-47 Thank you, that was quite insightful. I agree with most of your characterisation.
I'm reminded of some posts I've been seeing in the US of native descendents posing with middle fingers to mount Rushmore and saying stolen land, and practically all the Americans in the comments saying things to the tune of "won fair and square".
Seeing that in spite of the wokeness over there, regardless of the content, it speaks of an attitude of self confidence and assertiveness that just seems to be lacking in the UK and western Europe, where we're apparently willing to enslave and expose ourselves to cynical actors, accepting narratives clearly designed against us and following them to the point of corruption.
20:00 I propose the following refinement to Hanlon’s razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. However:
1. This does not apply to sociopaths / psychopaths.
2. This does not apply to spooks.
3. This often does not apply to politicians generally.
On Carl's points about fairness, starting at 23:10:
Political Philosophy was almost defined by arguments of this kind from the 70s to 90s. The two competing sides (to simply greatly) were Rawls and Nozick.
Carl's position aligns closely with Nozick's in his book "Anarchy, State, and Utopia". He argues for an essentially libertarian view of justice and fairness. If each transaction between individuals is fair, then whatever the result may be is fair. So, if people are willing to give you millions to watch you play a sport, for example, then you have fairly earned that money, no matter the amount. If you hire people for certain wages and your company profits, you are entitled to those profits, no matter the amount. Nozick makes some exceptions for extreme cases like hoarding all the water in an area so that people are more or less forced to pay you for it. Monopolies of this kind are barred. But otherwise, as long as each transaction is done consentually, society is just and fair.
Rawls argued that 'justice' and 'fairness' need to be seen from a broader perspective in his book "A Theory of Justice". He asks us to imagine a time 'before we are born into the world', as if real life were a video game we are being born into. As 'players', before we start the game, we are allowed to discuss what are 'just' and 'fair' starting conditions. Rawls believes the players will decide on a society with a decent amount of wealth equality, and only a moderate amount of inheritance. He recognizes parents will want to do right by their children, and that wages need a decent amount of range to incentivize hard work, but otherwise, he believes that the 'players' before starting the game of life will generally agree on starting positions that are fairly close to one another. To achieve this, he believes a strong social safety net and a fairly robust amount of wealth redistribution through taxes is necessary for a fair and just society.
The generational lottery is what's at stake here.
If you're more libertarian, you're more likely to downplay the effects of inherence and yes, 'privledge'. As long as you worked hard, then societal disadvantages don't really matter to you. A minority may work equally hard, but have laws or societal bias working against them, and the libertarian society can't actively do much about this. After a few generations, the wealth gaps through inherence can also not be interfered with, and so will be more likely to stay in place, with the children of wealthy individuals remaining so, same for poor individuals. Lastly, its hard to take into account the real world situations of nations conquering, looting, colonizing, and enslaving one another. Libertarians don't necessarily condone these practices, but its also difficult for them to reconcile with real world conditions were a lot of this has already occurred.
If you're more liberal, in the Rawlsian sense, you may not be appreciating how important it is to human motivation for the potential for large wealth gaps, inheritance, and the like to exist. Yes, they may not seem 'nice' under a certain view of fairness, but they are also necessary to properly motivate human beings to strive and thrive. If 90% of life is simply given to you, then your incentive to help society prosper and grow is much lower. If you can't provide a substantially better life for your children, then its hard to see what working through the tough times is really for. These may be hard truths, but for many libertarians, they align much better with how societies actually function, rather than an ideal that will squander society's prosperity in the long run.
The most shocking part of this for me was, this bloke hasn’t heard of a rich tea
he only eats gold encrusted biscuits because he was a privileged little white boy
He isn't English so not shocking at all really.
It's not about what JK Rowling said.
It's that when they asked for "donation" money she refused.
So a literal shakedown? I'm sadly not even surprised.
"Pay the tithes, rich 'ally'! PAY THE TITHES, or we cancel you!!"
Explains a lot.
She did side with female biologist who wouldn't accept troons as women. Which she wasn't wrong to do either. The calls for her to donate to the "cause" was supposed to be a means of her getting back into their good graces.
I think when podcasters sit opposite each other it creates an adversarial presence. Do you think a layout where you sit side by side would encourage more cooperative discussion? Side by side is closer to how you would sit with your kin, around a campfire etc.
Carl, is a great mind of our time.
Great scholarship and great communication skills. 👍
PS I love Tommy too he's a real 🇬🇧
Sir Carl Benjamin.
The King didn't knight him.
We did.
i was thinking the other day that it would wind the establisment up no end if we called someone sir, (i was thinking of tommy robinson ) , who is to say only those few elites get to decide who we, the people, look up to and appreciate , i mean they gave one to jimmy saville
@@NOT_SURE..That's a fantastic idea.
Sir Tommy it is then . and i reckon carl deserves an OBE for having fish thrown at him in a swindon market place.@@TheJeremyKentBGross
So just Carl Benjamin then
@@NOT_SURE.. I mean, I should think. Despite Carl and I being somewhat lacking in the faith in the supernatural department, I couldn't help but feel, watching those videos, that he was legit "doing the lords work." To me that's what it looks like, what it feels like, and more so than I've generally seen or felt from any actual religious people.
The segment about joking about minorities mirror the victim hood movement. Being a victim works in this ideological climate. Thank you both for this conversation ❤
The question is not whether life is unfair, it is and we can't fix that. The question is, is our society fair. Blaming other individuals in a society, for things they cant control, holding them responsible for the general "unfairness" of life IS unfair in regard to society, what we CAN control. They are insisting that a completely hypothetical, theoretical lens, be forced upon reality which refuses to abide, so instead they blame the humans for the failure of their policy.
YES and yes!
100,000 people have 2 arms, 3 people have 1, so we have decided to make things fair.
Of those who are on the sane side in an increasingly growing crazy world, there is a clear split between the "Intelligentsia" podcasters and media and working class podcasters and citizen journalists. This split needs to be brought together if we are to have any chance of defeating the madness. I hope Andrew, barring Carl's interview with Tommy, that you can be the first to interview him and shine a light on what he is saying now and what he was saying over a decade ago, before 'and no disrespect intended' any of you guys were talking about it. I feel there is a background hum of class division between people who are in real terms fighting the same fight. Let's change it!
Although I agree with you, can't see it happening.
Far too many have their eye on their future prospects with mainstream media to risk too much. I'd say the Triggernometry guys are a prime example of that. They use their immigrant status for protection. And when it's useful, they turn on those they consider "worthless career wise" in a heartbeat.
Case in point recently,
Anti Israel Muslim marchers in London are mainly well meaning, mislead and peaceful.
Protesters turning up at the Cenotaph on 11/11 to protect the monument, are "football hooligans".
Konstantin Kissing is very very closed minded with regard to Stephen Yaxley Lennon and R Brand.
I suspect it is due to a deeply ingrained insecurity arising from the shame of being a Russian attending a British public school.
Francis Foster speaks with a Sarf Lundin accent, Kissing describes it as quintessentially "racist".
Says it all to me.
Funnily everyone tends to sit in their own bubbles discuss what was what will be how to change it but few ever really move indirection. But if your serious you need things to bridge that gap, national pride across the west is down the dunny, religions are now dime a dozen not to mention atheists and secular peoples often don't like interacting with the religious because preachy. The genders are divided, family unit and love thy neighbour down the dunny too. If you really want to bridge that gap my recommendation is get the gamers involved. They come from every walk of life, every profession, every class, every religion, every ethnicity, every nation, every political leaning and yeah sure it's video games but they are more united than any Western nation is today, are just as wide spread through the institutions as the woke and are just as versed in weaponizing the internet as the wokeists plus they have no qualms about kicking the wokeist in the teeth like they are currently doing so right now, while everyone else is talking about what to do.
@@lucianjaeger4893they are trying to demonise Gamers now as well. itsagundam has been covering the wokeness in the companies and the same wokeness is spread through Gamers unfortunately but the Gamers have less of an issue as they aren't spread as thick through the actual Gamers yet. Will be interesting to see what happens after this whole SweetBinc and other game consulting firms get called out and ridiculed for their actions!!
I am not sure if this guy is being hyperbolic for the sake of entertainment, but the fact that he is genuinely perplexed that Carl had a job that involved cleaning toilets appeared to have broken his mind. I think he perfectly represents the thinking of the middle class in this country and why they are so hateful, whether he intentionally meant to do that or not.
All the Hate and bollocks is coming from the Left in this country. Someone's Class has nothing to do with it. The Lefts ideology is the politics of envy and hate is written in to it.
Im working class and would be shocked if my mate cleaned bogs. Are you judging him as middle class?
I've cleaned toilets and I have a degree!
@@DarkAngel2512define "working class" because I have a feeling it isnt what is traditionally meant by "working class."
@@DarkAngel2512Do you never leave your basement?
Magna Carta 1215. (Great clauses) is "Pocahontas" refering to the later "English Bill of Rights" believed to be the ideas of John Locke.
Does Carl think the Monarch today earned that position or still do.
AN excellent breakdown of fairness and privilage by Carl
I love you. I love Carl. I loved this. Regarding The N Word. I was told that it is not my word to use. I retorted that that was ridiculous, as nobody owns language. I asked if he considered any other words taboo, and got ghosted. I have custody of my 13 year old grandson. It's really difficult to deprogram him from the shit they tell him at school. But by god I'm trying.
why would you actually want to say the N word?
Maybe she would be met with. A black criminal who would kill her son, at that point, why wouldn't it be fair for her to use the N-word (i would write it down but it would disappear)
@@bengreen171 He doesn't need to give you a reason to use a word
@@johnw9038
why are you misgendering them?
@@bengreen171 she really likes 90's rap music and doesn't want to be criminalised for singing along
Looking forward to this. I sometimes watch Carl’s podcast (lotus eaters) and it’s thought provoking for sure.
He just pulls out a load of nonsense like "the Daily Mail is bizarrely left wing" and will just throw mindless rants to berate people into agreeing with him.
@@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn I agree, I stopped watching the lotus eaters and blocked it from recomendations because its almost entirely reactionary clickbait takes. Some of the hosts were ok, but Carl was not really one of the better ones. I still have respect for the guy for sticking to his principles and standing up but they descend into dumb turf wars too often for me.
@@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn Saying the daily mail has left wing articles is not nonsense, it is just an opinion you disagree with
@@steveblundell7766 well the Daily Mail looks left wing if you're slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun
@@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn it is a YOU you is unloading BS. Perhaps Carl gets the attention you can't get 🤔
50:40 - As The Patriot Nurse put it, this is the first era in history in which those described as poor are also often fat or obese from excessive eating.
Out of control free stuff means it's now possible in some nations (such as the UK) to be "poor" while at the same time receiving more money via welfare than someone working a 36K/year job. Such people sometimes even refer to the benefit money they receive as wages.
Amazing guest!!! Love and agree with him. Thank god there are people like him. He educated Andrew !!👏👏👏
What a great conversation, really enjoyed the views given.
I really respect Tommy Robinson . He has the courage to tell the truth on serious issues .
this was brilliant. would love to chat to carl one day.
I would love to see Carl back on podcasts. Especially Lex Fridman. He was on Joe Rogan way back, but Joe only invites people who he wants to talk to. Or Carl should release a book of his own :D
Carl needs to visit Rendlesham and find a hubcap to call UAP metamaterials and biologics first, then write a book on the experience before Joe has him back on
Where does the idea of having privilage for being white come from in European country ? We built the place
You personally?
@VesnaVK No but our people. Which we are a part of
@@VesnaVKYes
The tribe made it up.
It didn't come from regular old Europeans. It came from the 6 pointed star people who have their own group interest of furiously defended homeland.
I’ve followed Carl for years and am so happy Lotuseaters is going so well.
No. Russell Brand is not the "elite." He's an entertainer who has become interested in politics and philosophy and political philosophy and comments on them. And encourages others to do their own thinking on the subjects. "Elites" don't encourage thought that contravenes their own status.
@32:17 is informative. Does anyone know where I can get a more thorough education on this philosophical history for free?
I used to get paid £3 an hour when I was 15-16 cleaning toilets, mopping, etc. I had friends who did dish washing, others had paper rounds. It wasn’t a career. It was to get some cash.
At 26, I was a runner in vfx, cleaning kitchens, toilets occasionally (means to an end… now a senior artist)…
It’s mental that kids refuse those jobs now. (
Those jobs are now taken by migrants. It’s not even an option to have a part time job as a youth and gain work experience