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This truly requires a 10 hour podcast to completely flesh out. Perhaps an economic argument can be made to legalize this taboo profession not only with respect to its impact on GDP but also it's ability to be taxed to fund projects and spending for public good.
This video seems anti-relationship and very cynical about both sexes. What about emotional connection, respect, friendship, intimacy, partnership, support, companionship? I have learned a lot from watching you, but this one really bothers me. I am a 59 year old very attractive (no plastic surgery or filler 😅) woman, a high value women most would say, and I don’t sleep with a guy until I get to know him. You are basically saying that all men only date for sex. I don’t think it’s true but if it was, it would be very depressing. I was on a date last night with a man (55) who is extremely sexy, smart, attractive, successful. We have another date scheduled. He was nothing but a gentleman. He is a father of daughters and is very protective of women. To me it was perfect and he expressed that he had a great time and is excited to get together again, despite no sex (yet). Is he an anomaly?
I have fallen in love with 19th century women!... I can't help it, I find such comfort and beauty in them! Such sweet little muffins 😊! But what can I do? For they're All Dead and gone. The most that I can do is read history books, watch documentaries, visit the various cemeteries, go to historical locations, ect. I think about them constantly!... I wish to call it love. But at the highest, it's probably nothing more than a high admiration. Oh dearly beloved! How I wish I could have lived in her time! To be around her sweetness. Her mannerisms, vocal tonality, dress styles, the complicated hairstyles,.... Oh! just everything about her! I love 19th century women! I will be constantly studying them... For there is nothing else... Oh God! I was born in the wrong time period 🥺.... Well,... I'll just make my money, study my dearly beloved favorite ladies, and use modern-day females for sex. I really don't care for the modern-day female. But I don't hate her. I'm just in love with 19th century women! I have no hatred in me. I guess you can say that I am.... A blue pill guy in the red pill section. Or... Maybe purple pill. I don't know. I'm just so happy for 19th century women! I'm hoping that this is love 💕. I'm not sure. I don't think it's coping. Otherwise, why do I get a complete Joy reading about the old time ladies? It's hard to explain. But yes, I'll just hook up with the modern-day female. I'm not waiting for things to change. I just wish that I could time travel. I know, the 19th century was not all peaches and cream. It was tough! What does a man, I would have to test myself in that time period! Men been taken risks for thousands of years! Why stop now? And that time period, I might die within 5 months, tops. But at least I got to live through the time period that I wish to live in. Ain't got to be surrounded by 19th century women! Oh dearly beloved! How I wish I was with you! The best that I could do, is read history books, watch documentaries, stand in the places that they stood, make my money, and hook up with the modern-day female. I will be alternating through these three until I pass.... Good luck out there gentleman! Cheers! ♥️💙💜🎩
Logical women, albeit the few, understand this quote already. And ironically, so do the few(?) who don't care. Because they have a different agenda in mind for what to do to with "time on their hands " situations.
All the happiest relationships I know literally just met someone and clicked with them. It should be that simple. I think the problem is that most people of both genders are not prioritizing genuine connection. Everyone is so poisoned from online dating discourse that they can’t approach dating innocently and lose the ability to distinguish genuine affection from survival instinct. As a woman, my feed is always giving me “dating advice” and urging me to automatically reject any man that doesn’t automatically treat you like a prize just for existing. I never see anyone question, “do you even like him?” It’s just about what you can get out of them. The truth is when you approach dating like this people can sense how poisoned you are. It makes your personality and spirit unpleasant and unfeminine. I believe in traditional roles, but this always felt so dehumanizing and infantilizing to me. Its disrespectful to both the man and to ourselves. This is just an example, men have their own versions of this poisonous rhetoric. We’re all being spiritually poisoned and broken down for the same reasons.
Treat you like a prize but the men you're going out with is probably talker, stronger and makes more money than you, so if he's better than you on must aspects how're you a prize ?
@@renardbennett75 Yes...meet partners in the real world, not much different from meeting friends. Connection can't be overstated imo. It seems that's of no interest for the most part on this channel
Yup, I’m not married, but the women who’ve given into me the fastest, ended up getting the most genuine and generous sides of me. Mainly because at that point you know she gave in cause she REALLY likes you, which increases your motivation to reciprocate more, at least for me. When you see them tilting towards making you “wait” you already know it’s BS and cause she sees other traits in you that can benefit her long term, not cause she views you in a very sexually desirable light. Because best believe, most women have slept quickly with a guy before, simply because of pure unadulterated attraction.(I would know, I’m a very attractive dude myself). Thats what most men want, that security of knowing she views you as number 1, that boost to your ego makes you wanna go all out! Especially when you pair this up with a woman that has a very kind soul and cheery personality.🙏💯💯
I’m a woman and prefer coffee dates, walks, doing sports together, basically free or low cost dates. I just want to get to know someone and build a genuine connection, expensive dates aren’t required for that. But no way will I sleep with a guy on the first date, or sleep with every guy I date, that’s disgusting and hard on a woman’s soul.
@@juliea. They're only ridiculous if you live in a fairytale. It's fine not to sleep with a guy quickly when you're young. But by a certain age, we all know you've done a lot for little or nothing. We know what you'll do for the guy you like, so we know how you feel when you don't do the same for another guy. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Being single and not chasing women for the last 5 years after my divorce, I have saved more money then I thought possible. There is a huge price to being in any relationship with a woman.
I have always found it baffling, that so many women have the attitude of wanting to be appreciated for their personality instead of their body, while at the same time being so entitled that they feel they don't have to sell their personality.
And they want you to be attracted to their body and they dress in such ways to garner attention to their bodies. But heaven forbid you express that you're attracted to their bodies.
We appreciate compliments on our bodies and our personality. I think a woman should be excited to know that the man she is with or dating finds her sexually attractive but for most conventionally attractive women, they hear it very often, it doesn't impress them. Also, alot of women assume men's standards for sex is lower, so the compliment means nothing. Perhaps they only get annoyed if they're not attracted to the guy making the compliment.
good point. seeing through them renders personality irrelevant anyway. if even moderately ‚appealing‘ (while faked up) xx.s have bd.cnt >> 10(0). there‘s abundance in zombies with prospect on rel.ship.wreackages around. and those 9..10s in escort mode | as likely alpha widows are included here. be they gone wherevever, pass left (x). gents actually don’t have to settle for any xx.s at all, ever.
"Always Cheaper for a man to stay single & always cheaper for a woman to stay in a relationship"... that was gloriously poetic & blew my mind. Simple yet elegant.
Your thumbnails designer should get a raise!! I first discovered your channel because of your unique thumbnails. I always love your thumbnails. It looks like I'm going to read a novel
Women don't see making men wait as "her getting everything she wants while he gets none of what he wants" because they think we actually enjoy dates where no sex happens.
The Dichotomy of women to only want to date well traveled, experienced, wealthy and knowledgeable men and think YOU would be of any interest to them in terms of conversation.
I think you also hit the other issue. Men should enjoy going on dates even if sex doesn’t happen. If a man doesn’t enjoy the date, then there are two options. The guy only wants sex or the woman isn’t pleasant to be around.
"The high-priced escort is probably more attractive than the average woman on a dating app." The psychology of S3X without love is emotionally draining. She might be s3xier, but a long-term relationship with a woman who is sexually active without getting stupid attention all the time in return is more desirable. Also, emotionless S3X can be very damaging in the long run. I understand you're examining the escorts topic as a salvation from the hell that a traditional relationship can cause. But, the effects of prostitution are real, and it might be the reason for your downfall. Most men who rent an escort they go for cuddling and cries. Did you know that? Men crave love also. Even a high value successful man will reach a point to settle.
Absolutely true. But what makes you think you'll find emotional support, respect and or trust with and from the one you settle for? Both options are dreadfully harmful. Its just the mechanisms of how this toxic invoice is created.... none toxic low invoices? Disneyland only.
The most insulting thing is that you have a 30 year old who was easy when she was young and hot but now suddenly wants to be treated as a lady. No comment.
Automatic disqualifier. Most women nowadays, especially if she has kids. She's simply looking to funnel ALL the benefits out of a man, while she holds her bargaining chip
@@johannesdolch I don’t get it? - If she was a hoe in her twenties she MUST stay a hoe for the rest of her life otherwise she’s a hypocrite ? - do you feel entitled to her body just because she had sex before ? Wouldn’t it be easier to just leave her alone? And isn’t this how women’s body count keep doubling in first place ? This reminds me of kids who sell flowers in the streets of poor countries, if you buy from one of them you’ll have to buy from the rest of them.
@@MrBendacorna The point is that if someone is a fool, then their 'wisdom' is worthless. What C.S. said, sounds like him bragging that he was so in demand that he had to fight women off. Which would put himself as so much better than regular guys. Someone with that attitude is a dork, imho.
Yeah the issue most men have with women sleeping on the first date is that if you do it for the chads you should be doing it for the regular guys you're serious about. Because otherwise that's just stupid and unfair. However you shouldn't be sleeping with guys on the first date in the first place.
I think keeping sex work illegal has only helped married women. It gives men a much lessened chance of finding outlets for sexual relief. While making their wives the only (legal) game in town. It kills the sexual "supply," while the demand only grows & grows. If escorting became legal everywhere, then married women would lose their tactic of not putting out for their husbands, because he could find some tail easily elsewhere.
Unfortunately prostitution, like hard drug use, is detrimental to society and the community in general, but it is true that the main voices for criminalizing prostitution were house wives.
Inner beauty is a requirement for outer beauty. Outer beauty requires discipline, it requires dieting and exercise, it requires regular maintenance of several body and hair care routines and requires this all be done while still young. It requires inner beauty to maintain outer beauty. The whole idea of beauty only being skin deep is just a dumb idea to help ugly people cope. The beautiful people have better personalities than they do but they don't want to admit it.
@@elinope4745 Equating inner beauty to discipline is a cope. While discipline is a practical personality trait, it doesn't make some fun/interesting/pleasant to be on a date with...
The make-him-wait strategy works if 1. Hookup culture is not an option where the prospective man may not be swayed to go and get pleasure elsewhere 2. She has always maintained the same standard even in her past not not easily slept with men she dated
Count on women, especially do called "good ones", to crush the dreamer out of you. Sad, but it is what it is. I'm a "half-Chad", and Ive been treated waaayyy better as a player, except for the infatuation period.
Honestly it’s freeing to hear. You no longer have to operate under this guise of love and romanticism, operating under the laws of economics and practicality is much more approachable
I agree, it's disappointing at first, but i've come to realize romance is for women. We create emotional experiences for them to make them feel good, which can feel fulfilling. Unfortunately it means the magic trick is ruined for you personally because you know how it's done.
The issue for sex for women is that they know many men it's a driving force. So they believe that holding sex will land them a better catch. Many older women engage in this strategy.
I’m a high value man and I’ll tell you first hand paying for it is not fun. It takes all the joy of the hunt, finessing your skills, figuring out how to find a great woman who will be someone that will enrich your life. Women are a lot more than just a hole to stick your thing in. It’s sad that we have come to this as a species where all of the skills we have built as men to get women are now solved by a few dollars. Supposedly. Let’s not forget that the women that trade their bodies for money are highly skilled in stripping as much money from you as possible. And often come with men, who may rob you, scam you or end your life. If you let a certain side of the world into your life, he prepared for the consequences
You are a rare experience on this site full of very jaded men! After nearly 34 years I am still happily married to my first and only wife! Marriage takes work. “It ain’t easy” but as long as both parties are committed to trying to make it work it is worth the effort. I think a lot of men have unrealistic approaches to finding a keeper wife. The host never mentions the consequences of paying for sex! Men get attached to a good woman too but who would marry a prostitute? Who wants to risk HIV? I found my wife as a neighbor. We spoke casually while washing cars and such… we had the ability to converse and laugh… similar ambitions but enough differences to give us “space.” She is the only woman who said she wanted to have kids with me and here we are 1.5 score later. So sad to see so many deeply jaded men out there. If my wife passed away I’d remarry if I found the correct “chemistry.”
Exactly. One, the doctor is continually suggesting the only asset a woman can give to a man is sexual favors (in reality it is much more than that, like she can be a friend, a mother, a career advisor, a supporter, a kind critic, a muse, a motivator, a hair stylist, wardrobe stylist, cleaner, tax advisor, accountant, advisor of social cues and unwritten norms, a person who knows what a gift would suit for a specific occasion, etc.). And two, while counting cost of prostituting females, he doesn't take into account probability of STDs and ensuing costs of curing those, or emotional toll a MAN has to bear for using this option, or loss of self-esteem of a man, loss of reputation (and even contacts) at/with his mother, siblings and more conscious friends, sometimes also at his work, etc. Some things cannot be undone.
when i heard the dr t mention escort, I assumed he meant an official escort service. I know people, well, ladies who got themselves a sugar daddy. through a service. that may work out better for both parties, they go into it with eyes wide open. one girl was at his beck and call. he was married, but she escorted him to events and functions. he rewarded her for her service though. the way dr t talks about relationships, it may as well be sugar daddy-baby based. it would be more fun
@@nalianalianalia The things you mentioned men can easily get that from other men. Men in general deal with women for sexual access. If you’re not offering that, we have zero interest being your friend or anything else you have to offer. You’re more likely to get an STD from a regular woman than a prostitute. A prostitute; you will wrap it up, but a woman you’re taking on dates,you will most likely hit raw 😊
This Is why Men should never lead with money or take women on expensive dates. if she is annoyed about some coffee or walks in the contryside , bowling dates She is Not worth any investment Expecting expensive dates just to get to know someone is a HUGE RED FLAG
@BaseRealityVR Why are so many of you guys paying for everything? Most women today have careers and can easily split costs with you and actually would want to. Maybe you haven't met those many women. Too bad. Also takes communication around the subject. I forgot...advice on this channel is basically not to talk to women much in a relationship. Whatever...
For women their looks = currency, and yes beauty eventually fades, therefore just date women that are average looking with careers of their own. You would be surprised how happy you will be.
Speak for yourself. You probably don't make much money, so the idea of spending 100-200 on a date is jaw-dropping to you. But for some men that's pocket change. Most women will r*pe you in divorce, if given the chance, regardless of what you make. The only way to mitigate that is a prenup, or don't get married at all (and never live with a woman) if a prenup doesn't seem safe enough to you.
even as a man i have to disagree here. a woman waiting for 3 dates to have sex isn’t a big deal if she’s serious. thats like a month of getting to know someone. if a man’s very busy obviously that’s different but i’m speaking on average.
I just can't get over the fact that Orion is ignoring "girls who put out on the first date" as a red-flag. Unresolved daddy-issues are not date-worthy.
Flip the script. She sold off a potential life long partner and father of her children, just for the price of a vacation in Dubai. She sold long term future for a price of a vacation.
He says she bought a beer for the price of a vacation. While in reality she bought a vacation for the price of a long term relationship. And that offer from Dubai is to rent her.
@@IMYOURMAJESTY92 not all cars depreciate... just most. Some cars are instant classics, and if maintained, will significantly appreciate in value. Your mentality comes from a "keeping-up-with-the-Jonses" perspective. True elegance and attractiveness doesn't need to be updated for the market's sake, it doesn't have subjectivity because it is completely objective and it doesn't fade. This kind of attractiveness is indeed rare... but it exists.
Honestly, engaging in today's hookup and dating culture is an embarrassing and an aweful way to live. Men worry about money, women worry about safety. Be nice to the people you emgage with. Sometimes patience and politeness also gets you what you want.
Yeah giving the advice to women that they should put out to guys they're after without a lot of qualification is spectacularly bad advice because it just results in getting used by guys who are out of their league or don't have an interest in them then by the time they figure out what they're doing wrong they're so screwed up emotionally and traumatized they'll need 2-3 relationships in a row of men willing to put up with a massive amount of abuse being punished for all the previous relationship failures to recover. And the number of women who can get that is not very high. This is one of the main reasons so many women aren't getting married today, men would rather leave the country or not date at all then deal with this.
@@rizzamaeong Yeah but the chances the high level guy will actually date or commit to them is like 5% according to the numbers I've seen. And in a lot of cases it negatively affects future relationships. So this is not good advice.
All men pay. But Chad and Tyrone get the biggest discount. The scarcity-minded beta male will have to pay the most, i.e. marriage. The scarcity-minded beta male will also lose the most, i.e. his money, house and kids in divorce. Chad and Tyrone get the best treatment (same night lay) for the least amount of investment.
Exactly. Men need to start waking up and arming themselves with knowledge. Marriage is only to have a family, and only with a girl who showed 100% interest in you when she was under the age of 22 and you are able to maintain complete frame.
I've dated all over the world, from experienced women to virgins, from conservative to liberal. And I've always went to bed with the women date one or two. I'm very bold and move fast, but I haven't found a huge variation in this.
I learned scarcity vs abundance from my wife, who is Pinay. Her family doesn't have a mechanical dish washer and washing machine, they have a maid, who also cooks for them. When we got married and I went to mow the lawn, my wife asked me, 'why? How much do you make in an hour? How much does contracting that out cost?' We have our house cleaned and our lawn mowed, and I keep making more and more per hour. So: instead of losing $50 to have somebody else mow our lawn, our family has made millions over these past five years because I pay somebody else to mow the lawn, and, with that time, I concentrate on building our business.
@@rizzamaeong I did. You see, you know that, foundationally. But I learned an entirely different lesson from my dad: he learned how to fix cars, so he wouldn't have to take them to to the shop. He cut his own wood and had a wood-burning stove, so he would pay less on the heating bill. He cut the grass, because: to pay another person one red cent? The thought was anathema. No: the thought didn't even exist for him. He fixed bicycles that he would fish out of the landfill, and sent 100 of them in a container to Africa. Whatever my dad did, he rolled up his shirt sleeves and got to work, saving $5 here, $10 there, and he built his fortune that way, owning 3 homes, 2 rented out (which he managed), and retired at 50. He hasn't worked for pay a day since. That's what I learned from my dad: "If you're going to do something, do it yourself, and do it right." So, when my wife suggested we hire people to do work that we could contract out? That blew my mind. It took a lot of adjusting to see that "A penny saved is a penny earned" isn't the only way to look at life and labor.
8s and 9s aren't on dating apps bc they are MONETIZED. They are all dating rich men, either as GFs or sugar babies, and a lot of these rich men have multiple women 🤷♀️ I know this bc I am a rich man, and the women I can get on Tinder, Hinge Bumble are FAR less attractive compared to the women I can get with my money.
@njerseydavid no not escorts. as wives, gf and sugar babies. I have 3 sugar babies and a gf and I give them money / spend money on them. Lots of rich men have multiple women.
Question to you as a rich man. Is beauty really in the eye of the beholder or is there an actual standard of beauty that rich men prefer? I’m asking because I have seen that some men don’t necessarily choose highly attractive women. Not all the time. I have a few wealthy uncles and their choices in women (as far as looks goes) were kind of questionable. But that was their life and we didn’t judge. But there also wasn’t apps back then either so maybe things have changed. 🤷🏽♀️
@@njerseydavid Some escorts are beautiful but they are very rare. Most women out digging for gold, hopes that they will marry the man even though they are incredibly stupid for thinking that. 😂😂😂
He makes a good point, forget about world-class beauties, even just a normal pretty girl with a very fit body will get hit on anywhere she goes, there could be a guy asking her out while she steps out for a cup of coffee. why would she need to use dating apps?
Easy, because dating apps give wo.en access to men that they wouldnt just stumble across. Think going to a walmart vs browsing amazon. I knew 2x 19 year old girls that just browsed dating apps/DM'd on insta until they found a professional athlete to fuk. No way they would just stumble on them in real life.
That is mostly true. Lots of pickup artists who sell their dumb courses make the argument that attractive women get approached less because men are intimidated. They sell this argument as proof of their unparalleled wisdom. Reality is if you ask really attractive women, most will tell you they get hit on almost every single place they go to in public.
If this is true- I never see it. I see tons of hot women who are flat out ignored now because men are done with it. Literally saw a hot woman try to pickup a guy at a gym. She'd chose a machine next to him and try to talk to him and he'd switch machines. It was great.
I disagree! As the described women, this never happens to me, maybe a handful of times in my entire life. I also have very attractive friends and it doesn't happen to them either. Men have this false belief that women just get hit on everywhere we go... NOT TRUE! the location/proximity does matter tho as mentioned by another user
As a successful man, I would never in a million years even think about Marrying a woman who gives it up in less than 3 dates 😂😂 God only knows how high her body count would be 😂😂
I'm practically screaming EXACTLY THAT at my computer right now. Even the comments section. I thought it was common knowledge that you can't trust a girl who puts out on the first date. Everything he's saying makes sense up until he shits on the (very standard) 3-date rule. It's leaving the important "SLUT WITH DADDY-ISSUES" variable out of the equation. It's watching someone well respected and educated say 2 + 2 = 5 and 99% of this comments section is agreeing with him. It's giving me a migraine.
Agreed. I never committed to any of the ones who slept with me on the first date. Why would I control myself for a woman who has no self control? If my wife slept with me on the first date, she wouldn’t be my wife today. It’s a bad strategy for women, and I doubt @psychacks would actually recommend this strategy to his daughter, if he had one. This advice really strikes me as someone trying to justify their current proclivity to see others in an instrumental kind of way. It seems like the words of a man who has seen his income and status increase, but is annoyed that he is still expected to prove to women that he doesn’t just see them as a means to gratify his hedonistic pleasures. The instrumental outlook on human beings is borderline sociopathic, and I hope Orion doesn’t play in this swamp for too long. I’ve been there. The hedonistic life of having multiple partners trying to win you over with sex seems like a teenage boy’s fantasy, but it’s actually pretty empty, pointless, and I had to be one a borderline alcoholic to even engage in it. I’m glad all that is behind me now. The irony is that I’m also hotter and more successful now than I was in my twenties so it’d probably be even easier! But it’s not remotely worth it.
If she’s attractive and has Instagram she doesn’t need a dating app. (Because Instagram is also a dating app). Rare to find an attractive woman who doesn’t have any social media
@@catvergueiro8905 Hitting on women on linkedin sounds like a very dangerous game to play. haha Do you want additional HR training, because that's how you get it. lol
Not all men want a lady without social media. She may be seen as boring or not as desired by other men as he would (implicitly) expect. There are also men who enjoy being there and cannot live without social media.
@@Elisabetta.Scalisi I never said that that men prefer women without social media. But since we’re on the topic MOST men would not think a girl is “boring” without social media that’s how women think. I think most men would actually prefer it.
Men should be suspicious of women who give it up on the first date and make a point of not continuing to date these women or take them seriously for an actual relationship.
nahhh just be normal, make friends and see, I take things really slow, works best! Ladies don’t rush, but don’t let them hanging if you decide they aren’t it
A woman that holds back is not necessarily playing hard to get. A woman might enter the dating game with an understanding of how she feels after having sexual relations with a man. There are biochemical factors to consider and it differs for both men and women (and varies from individual to individual). It makes sense for someone who has an intention to find a long term commitment to wait a little longer before having sex. This may be 3 hours, 3 days or 3 months - but the point is to make sure that both parties have similar goals or are aligned in life. An escort gets $250-$1000 in return for an hour of her time whereas the woman looking for commitment is not guaranteed anything. It is only logical for a woman to calculate risks and protect herself before diving into the oxytocin goodness of sex. ❤
This is the best comment I've read on this 3 videos. But I am curious, what do you do to keep a man interested if you will have him wait 3 months for sex? Just long talks and fun dates? I think this works for average guys without options who are not use to dating beautiful women, but I'm curious do women use the same strategy for men with options? Most women automatically say "Yes!" but it can't be that easy to find then attract high quality men (looks + personality, not just money like a lot of men think). I could be wrong but since women complain so much about not finding most men attractive I just can't see a woman doing things to run man off who she finally finds attractive.
@333angeleyes I'm from a Conservative community and men wait no problem. It'll be impossible to expect chaste women with low bodycount to have sex on the third date. Men take the lead and bring the woman into his world and integrate her in it. He should show her his idea of fun
@@333angeleyes well, yes. Talks, dates and activities. Like building any relationship, whether it’s a friendship or familial or work relationship, there has to be a foundation. I’m not saying that we should be prudes. You can flirt and be sexy without sleeping with someone. And this usually comes naturally if you’re attracted to the other person. It’s part of courting! However, I don’t think a woman should drag it out for the sake of testing the man. Both a woman and a man has a right to take the time they need and figure out if someone is worth their long term investment. You can’t tell from just a few dates. So essentially I thjnk it’s best to enter this situation with a mindset of “how do I feel around him? Am I at the point where it feels right to move forward? And what are the consequences?” instead of putting a time on it. I also think it’s important to remember that a partnership or marriage lasts a long time. 5/10/50 years down the road, it’s going to be more than sex that keeps two people invested in each other.
I think there is a flaw in this analysis. If someone is dating for marriage and children, the escort certainly can’t solve this problem. I’d argue that even being with the escort some nights is going to reduce the man’s drive to find a “non escort” woman who might be wife and mother material. Thanks and love the content!! So what is a guy to do who is looking for a wife and not just sex?
I vote this argument up! I’m also interested in this question…what do super busy guys who want to marry/have a family do? This talk only focuses on sex in the short term, but some rich men surely also want to have a family? Would they also consider the escort for this??
Dude, come on. You know the answer. Lol. Just go on normal dates. You're watching weird UA-cam videos as an excuse to not use common sense. Dating advice on UA-cam is only relevant to 1% of peoples lifestyles.
Dr, an escort isn't a real relationship.. it's a fake one. Your executive might be "saving money" but he's not building anything.. he's just shooting his load and that's it. You're not placing a value on the very high worth of building a relationship with someone who knows you, cares about you, loves you. And if you've ever had sex with someone you love vs. some floozy you don't give a damn about, you know there's no comparison there either. So, I reject this whole analysis.
This is true. On the other hand, how many couples who go for that goal end up in loving relationships for the long term? 50% divorce rate, another 20-30% of expired intact marriages where the sex is anything but emotional. A few manage a great relationship long term but those are rare.
For men who just want to bust a nut it's cheaper and less money wasted to visit an escort. For men who are looking for more, they will eventually find it.
@johns6331 Considering how MOST marriages turn out, having meaningless sex is a FAR better outcome than getting into a relationship/marriage that has, at best, a 20% chance of being a lifelong net-neutral or better. The majority of marriage that stay together (which is a shrinking minority already) are only together because the man knows that is he leaves the bad situation, his life is effectively ruined beyond any reasonable repair due to the family court system. And these are people whose parents were in living relationships. My parents are still married, but we aren't raised by our parents as much as we are by society. And seeing our society for what it is, and knowing the laws, I'm simply not dumb enough to put myself in a contract that the other party is socially AND financially incentivized to break at my expense. My life is far better than all but one of the married or divorced millennial men I've ever known. ONLY ONE is in a positive situation that a reasonable man would accept. You can reject the analysis, but understand that our entire culture is built off of rejecting the truth because the truth isn't pretty.
This is incredibly bad advice. If the goal of a woman is a long-term committed relationship, i.e. marriage, and I can’t imagine it being otherwise, then the worst thing she can do is give away sex easily, freely or even at all. There is nothing attractive about a promiscuous woman, and men of worth will rarely entertain a long-term committed relationship with such a woman. Women, if your goal is marriage and the man you’re dating loses interest because you won’t have casual sex with him, you’re dating the wrong man.
Exactly! And then they'd just have regrets piled upon regret for each man... I get what he's saying, but he doesn't take into account that not all women are after a man just because he makes money.... I guess for the gold-diggers that could be seen as good advice, but if they are that easy how would the man not wonder if they are being faithful to them if sex was so casually given when they didn't have a commitment? Anyway, it's nice to see a man sharing this sentiment.
I was sitting here thinking this is one of the WORST videos I have ever seen/listened to in my life. It is awful advice and I had to pause to read the comments to make sure I wasn't the only one hearing what I heard. I'm sorry for anyone whose upbringing was conservative, trying to come to terms with what is encouraged today.
According to data from the CDC, in 2022, the average age of female virginity loss was 17.3 years. And also according to the CDC, at age 21, 95% of American women have lost their virginity. Additionally, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), the average American woman has a sexual partner count of 7.8 men. Compare that to the country with the lowest body count according to the WHO, India, where women have an average sexual partner count of 1.2 men. Or other traditional, patriarchal countries like Guatemala, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, and Indonesia where the average sexual partner count for women is 1.5 men. The problem with this line of thinking is that (1) western women are no longer pure and virgins, and (2) western women now regularly lie about their sexual pasts, and (3) no western women are willing to judge or shame other women for promiscuity. Women in the west used to shame other women for behaving poorly. Now western women celebrate Beyonce climbing on stage and gyrating in minimal clothing and rapping about starting an OnlyFans. Or Taylor Swift singing about girl power and being piped by 40 different men. Shame is gone from the west. So western women now have less value to men globally. So, unless a woman is a virgin, making a man wait does not address the skepticism any man will have re: a western woman’s sexual past. If you are not a virgin you could have slept with 1 man or 100 men and finding the exact number is effectively impossible for a man. As men, it is only logical to wait for sex from a virgin. If a woman says that she is virgin, after doing some checks if it appears to be true, I will wait as much as 1 year. Anyone woman who is not a virgin I am not waiting more than 2 dates before dumping her. Simps exist. So, maybe these born again floozies can catch a simp. But no man who understands women who wait for them. If a man has better options he does not need to wait. So, the men who wait are by definition the ones without other options, or certainly better options. And a truly wise man would only marry a virgin. Especially in a western country where marriage laws and the courts favor women. No other women qualify for marriage.
Don't worry, women don't like many guys to that level. He says if she really really likes a guy and must have, don't make him wait, reffering to the guy she really really wants, not any guy she has any attraction to at all.
This is one series that, while I understand the doctor's arguments, I disagree with them. There is an emotional component to relationships which he doesn't seem to understand. If a man wants to be loved, wants a woman who is devoted to him, etc. he is not going to find that with an escort. If he wants a family, a mother for his future children, he is not going to find that with an escort. The doctor is talking about finding sexual gratification, not finding love. Just something to be aware of.
That seems to be the core disagreement I have with his content too. It is all analyzed from a trading standpoint and not the value of love and connection, while that is what most humans are truly craving in their heart, whether they admit it or not.
Stephanie, emotional component cannot usually be found, except for some rare cases. The divorce rate is evidence thereof. Taking all into account, an escort is CHEAPER and SAFER, because: 1. A man does not lose his children. 2. A man does not get thrown in jail. 3. A man does not lose half his wealth. 4. A man does not become homeless. 5. A man stays alive.
@pmaitrasm I think this kind of tradings definitely can fulfill specific needs for some people. Male or female. However it is different from what relationships are supposed to be for. For instance, I guess if a man is rich, he may be able to pay someone to have his kids but most of the time, only a fulfilling relationship will be able to provide support, connections, family and more, especially after the golden age. Yes it is a huge risk for both sides, as he said it is a gamble. There is a recent clip from a famous divorce lawyer that explains that very well on how to protect oneself and also able to success in marriage based on the foundation of love. I think balance (and preup) are the keys.
"don't sleep with men on the first date if you want to be perceived as high value. It cheapens you" "DO sleep with men on the first date if you want him" So... You should only want to be perceived as high value if you're NOT interested in them? Make it make sense, Orion...
@@fashionspy96 It was never a real talking point. The reality is women sleep with men they truly like on the first date. Everything else is a romantic cope from men. It's why, and let's say it all together, *none of them are virgins.* The logic only applies to virgins.
@fashionspy96 "doing the right things with the wrong guys". "Dont make the right guy wait and the wrong guy gets his fun, while hoping that the right guy will think higher of you, when you dont deserve to be thought higher off based on your actions". In the age of social media, women as solipsistic as they are, exposed the game themselves. Even, the most hermit of men, now see the female sexual strategy. Some men have adapted to play the game to win, others dont see the point. I believe you call the latter, incels lol.
The problem with this economic analysis is that it omits the cost of the risk of engaging in an illegal activity to scratch the itch. I knew of a high value man that got busted for soliciting prostitutes. His world came crashing down pretty quickly once he started facing criminal sanctions and potential loss of his professional license.
I haven't been in a relationship in over four and half years. I am also in the best financial shape of my life. Hmmm. I think men should tell the women they are interested in that they will withhold being generous with their money and withhold committing until they are SURE the women are worthy.
Yes, men are supposed to withhold commitment and investment, and women are supposed to withhold sex and physical intimacy. That’s how it’s supposed to work. We’ve only known this for as long as there have been people. 🤦🏻♂️
Honestly 2000 dollars in an hour doesn't sound too terrible right now. I don't even consider myself successful. I just feel like the people I want to date aren't in my league and the people in my league feel like some uglies and weirdos.
While all of that is true about why successful men use prostitutes, that does not translate into it being a good idea for women to sleep with men sooner. Women do not benefit long term from sleeping with unvetted men who are not interested in long term commitment, regardless of her age. When she chooses to sleep with a man should be based on vetting his personality & character, life situation, and intentions. There's no benefit to a woman to sleeping with a man before she has this information. While I get that a woman "holding out" isn't the best method either, because she's not really considering the right things if it's about a certain amount of *time* vs a certain amount of information. And she better actually be feeling the desire herself, otherwise everyone looses in the end. The fact is, young women can wait longer, and that's good, as they should, to better vette the partner. The fact is that older women don't have the same amount of power, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't also be just as interested in vetting the partner's character, life circumstance, and intentions, as she will not actually benefit from sleeping around as an older woman trying to get picked. She should instead focus her attention on how to vette men properly. The real actual solid advice for women for the benefit of women is: vette men before you have sex. And if they are young women, it's: don't even think about having sex until you're sure he's vetted and in for the long game, and you're sure he's the one you want to do life with. Use that power properly while you still have it.
You lost me at "vetting his personality & character". Character is the *last* thing women of today are checking for. They are looking for everything BUT personality & character, lol. What they ARE doing is exactly what you describe -- sleeping with men who are not interested in long term commitment. Those are the men they tend to be attracted to.
@@BestInImpact what the general population are doing and what is best for them are often different. It's the responsibility of anyone giving advice, especially from a professional pulpit like a therapist to tell people what would actually be best for themselves, not reinforce societal behaviors that are 100% not beneficial and in fact harmful to themselves. People do things because either: They have been taught to, Or They haven't been taught not to, and why. If the Doctor is going to be teaching people, it makes sense to teach them the things that they obviously haven't been taught, or taught well enough, that they should have been taught for their own well-being.
@@alexmuenster2102 right, so if a woman can't, for whatever reason pull a man who has the character and intentions that match what's best for her long term, then she shouldn't be choosing or sleeping with men anyway, so, my point stands. She's genuinely better off not sleeping with any man unless she has vetted the ones expressing interest. If they don't vette, she's dodged a bullet, which may also mean she stays single forever, which, if a man's character and intentions don't match up with what's best for her, single forever is more beneficial, or at least less detrimental.
Sure, but the problem is these women only start vetting men after having bad experiences with Chads. So you're getting the scraps and having to wait for it.
I’m so glad I’ve always worked and made enough to take care of myself. I can enjoy the company of men that I like without feeling that I need any of them.
Opportunity cost is not something many of us take into account in these situations. Jesus Christ what the internet and global communication has done to dating.
Dating is fine. The Internet has just made it profitable to talk about how bad dating is to the incel demographic. The best dating advice is to stop consuming content and start expanding your social circle.
I feel like this particular message is true but trivial. You're essentially saying that very wealthy men aren't willing to date because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. But isn't that kind of the reason why all men are opting out of dating? It's definitely true that a wealthy lawyer or surgeon isn't going to pay $15,000 for the joy of being told to wait by someone who's already banged 500 dudes for way less, and is less interesting to talk to than your average shrubbery. But I feel like the average construction worker is also waking up to this fact. And they're not willing to spend $150 for the joy of getting told to wait by someone who's already banged 50 dudes for way less, has at least one other guy's kid, is 50 pounds overweight, and is less interesting to talk to than your average shrubbery. The only difference is the wealthy guy can afford to rent by the hour, while the rest of us are basically relegated to taking care of it on our own. We're all saying, in as many ways as we can, that we are no longer interested in paying inflation-era prices for used, banged-up, worn-out products that think they deserve to be treated like they're brand new. It's not necessarily an issue that's confined to successful men. Even the dude who works at McDonald's is starting to get hip to the game.
It's wild to have you put this into perspective. Simply wow. Men need to understand this. We all know woman simply won't listen to this or pretend it's not true.
Opportunity cost is a thing. As you get older, your time becomes more and more valuable. Not because you're making more money... but what little time you have in this world is even more precious. Doc is spot on. Again !!!!
Since men judge womens worth somewhat on body count, this is terrible advise for women. Look for high quality men not necessarily high earning men..not the same thing. That is.. if you are looking for marriage at any age.
I would never waste an evening on a date with a woman I pay for. My time is $1,000 per day every day and I would rather do some yoga or read a book than listen to some dumb chick blather on about nothing.
@@angelapaules-f1fhigh earning men = high value men. There are plenty of men out there who will treat you like a queen and have good character, but women don’t want them due to income impediment. 🧢
im not successful but i agree with Orion here, at 60$ per hour for my wage i cannot justify wasting my time on 4s and 5s on shitty dates that go no where. Dating apps and what not consumed a good 5 hours of my free time a week, which admittedly is scarce given my side job and gym routines. I met my current gf outside of dating, outside of that whole context completely. I recommend to any bro needing a date to meet her in the ether through friends, activities and gyms etc. I met mine at a church board game cafe.
Referrals are way better than cold approach. Engage socially in hobbies and things you like doing and you'll meet people though friends. Women need men to be "vouched for" before they'll really consider you, and the only way to do that is to have personal relationships with their friends.
The thing about meeting women is you need an actual real life reason to talk to them besides how attractive they are. That's the only real way connections actually happen. You need some kind of mechanism to relate to each other with. It's even the same for your friends and family. If there's nothing to relate to each other about then you simply cannot connect. And the kicker is she has to WANT to relate to you.
@@jth_printed_designsrelying on friends is limiting. developing game and cold approach is much more sustainable. dating apps were great in the 2010s for attractive men. All bubbles burst…
I was head over heels with my now husband. I held out on sex for one month. Then, I couldn't help myself. 2 months later, he proposed. I made us wait one year to tie the knot officially, just to be sure. Women still throw themselves at him. I feel lucky to have the exact body type and personality combination he likes most, and beat out the competition. He had expensive escorts in the past.
Flaw of your theory is that you assume that successful men make money 24 hrs a day. Like in your example, the lawyer who makes 1200$ an hr. He does not make 1200 $ an hr 24 hrs a day 265 days a week. So your theory is based on wrong assumptions.
Successful would mean he turns away work, if he worked 24 hours the money would fly in for 24 hours. Obviously he needs downtime, but he doesn't need to jump through hoops for some unpleasant woman
He was talking about why highly successful men turn to escorts. The assumption is that they already turn to escorts and are highly successful, so you can safely think about people who have little downtime. It is more likely that their downtime is spent in something they really enjoy, and the time ( and mental energy) they spend to pursue a woman is taking away from the time they could make money.
Absolutely makes sense. I have seen stories on the flip side of that of when an escort/onlyfans tries to get a "real" relationship and runs into difficulties.
S3x-workers are avoided by most men for relationship for good reasons. S3x-workers lose their ability to pair bond with a man. They will cheat and leave.
@@ForrestMystic bingo! I love sex but if I don’t know the character of the man I’m with, it’s extremely risky. If he can’t at least somewhat enjoy my company, then he should find another woman! I’m looking for a mutually good fit not to “catch a man”.
Yeah, agreed. But bear in mind that not all women think like this and the ones who don't are the type of women that are being discussed in most of this channel's videos
@@amandahaataia5505 How has that strategy worked so far? How has it worked for every other female you know? Here's why it doesn't work: Women base their assessments of the world, things and people on how these make women feel... because that is the biological nature of women (and it's the best part about women, from a desirable guy's perspective)... In romantic situations, women make assessments in that way, instead of employing logical methodologies based on objective observations. If you attempt to assess the man's character based on how you FEEL about his character, you will fail every single time...and the more arousing the guy is, the stronger the "heart on the sleeve" effect is on the woman will be, which induces her to Basically, if you're a female, you can't trust yourself or your own brain when it comes to men. Against your own brain, you WILL lose every single time. Most men are experienced veterans at removing emotion from things like making assessments...we're built for it. Thus the most reliable pair of eyes for assessing a romantic candidate are the eyes of a father or brother of a female. Male friend's assessments most times can't be trusted (there are reasons). Female friend's assessments are even less trustworthy (it's not intentional). The most reliable assessment is from a father. The worst possible assessment, is by the female herself (because any experienced man knows, if she adores him enough, it becomes as if he can do no wrong in her eyes, she becomes blindly loyal, blindly trusts, blindly follows to hell and back,...none of it is earned, it just automatically comes for free attached to love.) (Us men are not wired like that, love does not induce trust or respect or loyalty, etc...those emotions need to be induced into us independently, aka earned one by one). Dealing with omen is easy...maker feel arousal+safe = bam!!, she just magically and bindly follows, trusts, respects, admires, loves, etc you.
@amandahaataia5505 I'm a man, and I think the third date is perfectly reasonable. If you're looking for a long-time partner, it just makes sense to ge to know the person. If you put out after the first date then maybe you will get a relationship but maybe he will just leave in the morning. Maybe that's too much for a rich busy man but if you're a genuine guy you'll get why a good long time partner has some self respect.
Nice analysis Doc, thank you! One thing I do have to point out however, is that this entire argument is predicated on the idea that having sex is the one and only reason guys go on dates. Hiring an escort doesn't add marginal progress toward finding a life partner, while going on a regular date just might. I'd like to know your thoughts on how a desire for long-term companionship fits into your economics-based analysis!
@@hoi-polloi1863 I agree there. I think the Doc sometimes takes the transactional nature of relationships too far and ends up with incogruent results. Hey, but no harm no foul, that's what research and exploration are for.
@@paulcolin9071 Just between you and me, I'm playing the long game. I want to find a good woman, marry her, and install her in my house. Mileage varies, of course!
Thats because sex is the initial and primary desire for a man in most cases, and less of a "life partner", and if you couple that with climate of women in today's society, it's even more profound. Most guys dont go on dates, primarily, get to know someone...if ever. Sex is always on the table, and if its not for the woman, then there's no interest from the guy to continue "dating". The auxillary thought is that finding a life partner is not the primary interest, if at all...especially for the caliber of men he used in his example.
This isn't helpful for men looking for virtuous women. Telling women to be cheap and have sex more freely isn't exactly what actual high value men want.
Exactly. High value men don’t commit to women who give it up on the first date. And men who will fly you out to Dubai for the first date aren’t looking to wife you up. This is Orion’s worst take to date.
@@JustinColletti But she most likely did give it up to some other dudes on the first date or before. So not because she made you wait means she made everybody else wait equally that long.
@@kylefrisbyYou should vette your potential options for a wife to see if they are that kind of woman. If they sleep with you on the first date, then they are proving to you without the shadow of a doubt that they are that kind of woman. This is not to say that any woman who has ever done that in her life is completely unmarriageable. Points to her if she has the IQ, accountability and decency to recognize that kind of behavior as a mistake, and has the self control to avoid doing it again in the future-all while still pursuing relationship with a man she’s actually attracted to. Yes, it’s a better, safer to find a partner who was never dumb enough to fall for the bad advice of being that easy to get into bed. But unfortunately, we live in a world where a lot of people of other sexes have fallen for this nonsense in their younger years, so if you’re having trouble, you may need to open the net to people who have learned from their mistakes. But if they repeat the same behavior with you, it means they haven’t learned. The benefit of being a more desirable man is that you don’t have to open the net quite so wide. Could it be that you find a woman who has lied about having done that kind of thing in the past? Sure. On the bright side, at least she has the decency to know it’s not desirable behavior that one should feel great about admitting to. But if she’s comfortable lying, then that’s another red flag, and you should also vette your potential partners to make sure they’re not ok with lying. Vette your potential life partners obviously, yes. It’s probably the most important decision of your life.
Thank you! Talking about the social dynamics and the reality behind it needs courage and wisdom. The biggest problem in the modern life is there is not enough time.
The perspective of the video is centered about the $$money value of dating. Take money out of the ecuation, and you get the most beautiful women going for the guys they feel most secure with.
Your content is elite my man. I hope men and women listen so we can finally have some real understanding in this world filled with nonsensical inefficient advice.
I’m not a religious person, but listening to this video made me realize the rules about sex in the bible pretty much solve this issue. Sex is only for marriage and making children. If there’s no expectation of sex outside of marriage, then people will just try to get to know each other and enjoy each other’s company first. Relationships become less transactional.
They're outliers though and they're impossible to chase. 8s and above looks for 10s or higher. It's safe to just disregard them unless you have 9 figure wealth
if you're attractive, fun and lucky enough, you could score a 9 or 10 still in her teen years who were cheated on by her first serious boyfriend and use that to advantage.
I'm wondering if you're circling around a more fundamental point. A huge part of the problem with modern dating is that sex has become a commodity, but relationships shouldn't be treated as commodities. How can we expect to be treated like human beings if we have to think like mercenaries for dating purposes?
For real. I'm so tired of being treated like I'm not a human being. It's about the heart connection, but people are completely ignoring that these days it seems. I'm so tired of always having to strive to be in the top 1% of a pyramid scheme I didn't create, all to impress people who couldn't give less of a shit about me.
You don't have to think like a mercenary, you just have to understand that if a gal has true desire for you, she'll be willing to have sex as fast or faster than she's had it with all the men before you. If she doesn't have true desire for you, you can't have a healthy relationship with her anyway.
spitting truth ! it's called opportunity cost - the cost of any interaction is directly proportional to other opportunities they are forsaking in order to sink any time, energy and money into a activity
I like a lot of what you make but this one is simply gross. Every faith tradition taught that men should work to acquire enough wealth for marriage and seek a woman in marriage. Only after marriage should there be sex. It's premarital sex that has sparked the decline of the West as it leads to broken homes, broken communities and broken kids. $5200 date? What world are you living in? Most guys I know pay complete dowry's about $10-20k total. The advice is simple. End this godlessness for the sake of your own metal and spiritual well-being.
I agree with you and I think success is getting to his head or he is just going for the views of sexually frustrated men who are only wealthy in their fantasies.
Change the divorce and family courts. When a man is being destroyed in court I never see Christians rear their head to defend and shield the man from the punishment of a worldly court from stripping his assets and his ability to properly be a father to his children. Keep that shit to yourself otherwise.
Seems like a rather callous take on life and relationships imho. Sure, that might be my social standing talking, but I'd rather be married and living a "normal" life with my run of the mill wife and kids than doing 80 hours at work and dating escorts. The person living that life might not be shallow,, but the life as such is. Damn it must be depressing.
An escort won't take everything you've worked your whole life to build, while a run of the mill wife can. Every opportunity has a cost and everyone has to decide which costs they want to pay.
Married 20 years and am very happy. If we ever broke up, I'd eventually look for a loving partner again. Could I save money by not doing that? Sure, but it's worth the cost to have the best.
It's because perspective of the video is centered about the money value of dating. Take money out of the ecuation, and you get the most beautiful women going for the guys they feel most secure with.
Having lived both of those lives and having once thought as you, I can tell you with absolute certainty through absolute experience (not just mine, but virtually all other men I've known) that the life you think you want to live, the white picket fence...was BY FAR the more depressing (and less rewarding) life. It usually takes experience to realize you've been lied to your whole life. The reason relationships are good for WOMEN and almost never good for MEN is because women can enjoy these relationships with the men they WANT. Relationships are only good when you have OPTIONS, which most women have. Almost no men have GENUINE options, therefore most men must SETTLE for a relationship. When a man has OPTIONS (like the heavy majority of successful men), they get to CHOOSE exactly what they want. And when successful men choose escorts, it's because it's a genuine CHOICE that makes them happier, as opposed to something they have to settle for. If a successful man is in a relationship, it's because he CHOSE the rare woman that's better than an escort. In countries where prostitution is legal, there's no scarcity of good women who make great wives and mothers. Because legal prostitution keeps the normal woman from having unfair leverage over a man by being his only sexual option. So she doesn't dare weaponize sex or anything else in the relationship. In those countries, men show their true colors quickly because they can get laid no matter who they are, and that allows women to see men for who they are VERY quickly rather than a man having to put up a front to get laid.
This is not how it works. There are beautiful women who are not even on Instagram. There are drop-dead beautiful women that are married to mechanics. Babes that are together with their college sweetheart. If you however talk about chicks with 18-25 plastic surgeries who optimize for "trophy wife", you might have a point. But who REALLY wants a woman like that?!
What he's saying here is a key reason why a lot of men check out of dating altogether. I quit dating because I realized the cost to play the game was no longer worth it. What's funny is the way some single middle aged women have treated me over the years. I've had widowed and divorced women, who _knew_ me be snotty to me, because I was around and didn't make the _same_ mistakes they and their ex-partners made. I made _different_ mistakes. Jim Morrison said it: People are strange.
Where do morals and ethics play into this conversation? I've never heard most religions say that its ok to have sex on the 3rd date or less, and a transactional economy seems to leave many people feeling exploited and empty.
You make it sound like dating is a transaction for men to get sex and women to be chosen rather than simply two people trying to see if they are compatible long term
@LiaBSakura That's literally what all marriage has been for all but maybe 300 years of human history. What you described is literally 99.9% of human history. People who fell in love almost never got married until literally shortly before the US was established. Arranged marriage is still the most common form of marriage worldwide....and still by far the most successful with the best family outcomes.
Honestly the fact he’s getting critical information to men through a UA-cam algo that usually blackballs this info in the algo rather quickly is SUPER IMPRESSIVE and CRITICAL for disabusing men in the modern dating market
Ha! I love you so much Dr. T! Your ability to break it down is unreal. Also-- I’d like to think you really helped me get the love of my life (who I’m currently with). The one I *will* say is this...while DATING sucks, and is NOT worth it. What I now have (a relationship with an amazing woman, my best friend) is. She is abolutely worth every dime and more. I’m grateful for ever minute with her. And I thank you for helping me get her.
I don't know what "dating" means for americans, but having sex after 3 dates is crazy. Is the whole purpose of dating just to get laid for people in that continent? Cuz some women/men are actually lookin for a life partner, and they would, indeed, need more time to spend with eachother before jumping straight into bed.
I think his idea of dating is different than a lot of other people in America have. I think it is completely inappropriate to have sex on the third date. I myself never had that happen and I am in a secure relationship. I guess it just depends how serious someone sees the relationship and how much they want that person.
I left America to live in Korea for a few years and I was shocked at the couple culture there. People valued relationships and the "courting" phase took 1-3 dates. After that, they were officially a couple. I've never seen so many matching couples outfits, couples socks, or hand holding in my life lol. Even my boyfriend there planned dates and wanted to see each other 5 days a week initially (whew). By the time I moved back to America I was reverse culture-shocked on how transactional dating had become. Americans are being encouraged to scam money or sex out of each other and neither genders trust the other. It made me miss the sweetheart days abroad.
@@LalaLambirthwow tysm for sharing❤ i’m a guy who’s been called handsome but the girls i want won’t go out w me even tho i’d be willing to wait however long before sex i hate american dating
Great video series’s even as a young teen I figured out how expensive girls were. Every hour I spent with a GF was an hour I couldn’t train for football or work on homework. Cexx was all I wanted and I kept a handful of Vjay’s in my orbit for just that.
Dating apps were useless in the 90's and early 2000's, and I'm not a drinker (social or otherwise). I also didn't have my crap together until my mid-30s, so dating prospects were almost non-existent. I didn't even 'succeed' at dating until I gave up and walked away from it. 3 months after I made that decision, I was getting approached by women. My standoffish demeanor worked better than any proactive attempt at meeting someone. I was 37 when I met my wife through a friend/co-worker. The dates were cordial, but the interest was there. 3 years later, we married.
How do I know that the guy doesn't have an STD or some other type of incurable disease if I'm supposed to sleep with him on the first date? Or is that just part of the price I'm supposed to pay as a woman in order to "secure" a man? If I'm bringing my "A" game to the table and I'm putting out on the first date, what assurances do I have that he's telling me the truth about his sexual health? Because if he's sleeping with me on the first date, he's certainly sleeping with other women on the first date as well. Also, let's reverse it. What assurances does the guy have that the woman is "clean" and doesn't have some type of incurable STD if he's going to sleep with someone on the first date? As a woman who's kept herself "clean", the reasoning in this video seems kinda reckless to me for both sexes.
@@VanessaKiara Thank you for your comment. That's exactly why I watch these videos. Five years ago, I had no idea that some people actually think like this. All the best to you.
I think his view is that of someone who is looking for the top tier man. Since you're on here like me it means you are just average and you should be looking for an average man and an average man will usually be willing to wait a little while and that's the guy you should probably marry instead of sleeping with multiple partners.
I started watching for the same reasons. However, if I'm honest, it's affected my mental health. I'm a divorced 49 year old woman with grown adult children. Apparently with my reproductive youth behind me, men don't see me with any value? That is what these videos led me to believe... I am fit, attractive, kind and haven't been single for too long. I love sex and haven't found a man to match my libido. I like to cook healthy meals & keep a tidy home. Did I mention that I'm also very open- minded sexually but also loyal? These videos seem to devalue women of non-child bearing age. It saddens me.
Thanks for this Orion. I laugh with some of my fellow divorcee men about how much money we've lost and how it would have been so much cheaper to hire escorts than get married and try to make the woman happy.
I have always used escorts to avoid the verbal aggression and rejection that comes from attempting to engage with western women. Escorts are better looking. Guaranteed sex, and it is not more expensive than dating. I would like a conventional girlfriend just once. But it has never happened.
@@Susan-fg3nv Where is this sense when women get with dead beat losers or men who beat on them? Why don't I ever see people like you calling women out for choosing abusers? You know, since they be sensing and shit.
The natural selection process has decided that you are not fit for reproduction, which is why no woman is genuinely attracted to you. This can be painful and may create the illusion of a 'need for sex,' but it’s not really a need for pleasure. Instead, it’s a survival instinct because we are biologically driven to reproduce and pass on our genes. In your case, you numb this painful reality for a while by paying for consent from a woman who, under normal circumstances, would never choose to be near you. You’re paying to simulate reciprocated attraction, but it’s a facade. Prostitution is mostly made up of vulnerable women who have no other options, trafficked women forced into the trade against their will, and a few exceptions who do the job, however degrading, for good money. Congratulations, you are undesirable yet have managed to experience sex despite being unworthy of it. Sex is not a right; it is a privilege reserved for the fittest. The harsh truth is that nothing about you is deemed worthy of being passed on to future generations. This is not something to boast about, but I suppose you think it is, because that’s the closest you’ll ever get to real attraction
I got lots of work to do to break that $150K year threshold, but i tell you i rather put in time to make money and enjoy my hobbies over dating. This video highlights opportunity costs quite well..
He described a world I do not live in. I did not and will not go out with a man if it costs him $5200 a date, nor would I have sex with a man in the first or second dates. It is a ridiculous assumption that a woman should have sex with a man in the third date, let alone first or second. It is not enough to know whether two persons are compatible in the first few dates.
The women I've had the longest relationships with slept with me on the first date. The same for my friends. Anyone playing hoop jumping games gets the boot
Where did the 5200 come from? Im assuming it is from a calculation but when and where did he calculate it? I havent finished the video but this confused me
He makes the valid point that for a man of value dating indeed takes a lot of money and energy. Maybe not $5200 but trust me, a lot of money and above all, energy. Now multiply the 5 dates you are asking times say 10 women, that's 50 dates. It is also important to factor you are not the only worthy woman in town, there is plenty of them. Sometimes it is a matter of filtering them out, which can start as of date one. My rule is it is okay not to go to bed on the first date, but after it is fair game after that. I can tell you with authority, the value and worth of a woman has nothing to do with getting to bed on a second date.
Everything God created is good but mankind has corrupted it, and that is why there is so much confusion, conflict and heartache. God knows what is best for everyone because it is His creation. Obeying God brings blessings, harmony and fulfillment. 1 Corinthians 7:9, But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion(ESV-English Standard Version). God wants us to have an abundant life, not misery and dread.
There's another thing I wanted to add about escorts. If you're a sufficiently high-value male and play your cards right, the escort will charge you LESS over time. You can end up saving even MORE money.
@@cecee3480you do not have to tell the escort that you’re a higher earner, if she charges more than the market rate you simply call one with reasonable price. It’s cheaper than taking a regular woman on endless dates with no guarantee of sex.
@@Strafeyy Return does not mean lower rate. Unless he is tripling the amount of times he’s sees the escort in a week she might consider giving him a reduced amount. He would have to see her more and be a decent customer combined.
@@cecee3480ya he’s likening and simplifying the process to something like when you have a ‘regular bartender’ comping drinks but we all know it’s more complex than that 😊
When I first watched Jordan Peterson I discovered new point of views on women that I have never heard before. Orion, you are the American version of him but on a larger scale. Thanks for all the new insights.
Little confused on this one. If they sleep with a guy to fast,people say “ why buy the cow, if the milk is free” and how do you get to know someone other than sex. On the other hand, if you don’t sleep with them fast enough, then they become an expensive dates. This one is not making sense.
This is the second part in my three-part series on why successful men use escorts. There is a reason very beautiful women aren't on dating apps. Much like very successful men, exceptionally beautiful men are priced out of the sexual marketplace as traditional dating becomes increasingly expensive for them. The $50,000 beer exemplifies how opportunity cost can influence behavior among these populations to a greater extent than can intrinsic personality factors. Differences between scarcity and abundance mentality are also discussed.
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This truly requires a 10 hour podcast to completely flesh out. Perhaps an economic argument can be made to legalize this taboo profession not only with respect to its impact on GDP but also it's ability to be taxed to fund projects and spending for public good.
allso why sattel for an Amateur when you can have a pro
@@psychacks where's the citations?
This video seems anti-relationship and very cynical about both sexes. What about emotional connection, respect, friendship, intimacy, partnership, support, companionship? I have learned a lot from watching you, but this one really bothers me. I am a 59 year old very attractive (no plastic surgery or filler 😅) woman, a high value women most would say, and I don’t sleep with a guy until I get to know him. You are basically saying that all men only date for sex. I don’t think it’s true but if it was, it would be very depressing. I was on a date last night with a man (55) who is extremely sexy, smart, attractive, successful. We have another date scheduled. He was nothing but a gentleman. He is a father of daughters and is very protective of women. To me it was perfect and he expressed that he had a great time and is excited to get together again, despite no sex (yet). Is he an anomaly?
I have fallen in love with 19th century women!... I can't help it, I find such comfort and beauty in them! Such sweet little muffins 😊! But what can I do? For they're All Dead and gone. The most that I can do is read history books, watch documentaries, visit the various cemeteries, go to historical locations, ect. I think about them constantly!... I wish to call it love. But at the highest, it's probably nothing more than a high admiration. Oh dearly beloved! How I wish I could have lived in her time! To be around her sweetness. Her mannerisms, vocal tonality, dress styles, the complicated hairstyles,.... Oh! just everything about her! I love 19th century women! I will be constantly studying them... For there is nothing else... Oh God! I was born in the wrong time period 🥺.... Well,... I'll just make my money, study my dearly beloved favorite ladies, and use modern-day females for sex. I really don't care for the modern-day female. But I don't hate her. I'm just in love with 19th century women! I have no hatred in me. I guess you can say that I am.... A blue pill guy in the red pill section. Or... Maybe purple pill. I don't know. I'm just so happy for 19th century women! I'm hoping that this is love 💕. I'm not sure. I don't think it's coping. Otherwise, why do I get a complete Joy reading about the old time ladies? It's hard to explain. But yes, I'll just hook up with the modern-day female. I'm not waiting for things to change. I just wish that I could time travel. I know, the 19th century was not all peaches and cream. It was tough! What does a man, I would have to test myself in that time period! Men been taken risks for thousands of years! Why stop now? And that time period, I might die within 5 months, tops. But at least I got to live through the time period that I wish to live in. Ain't got to be surrounded by 19th century women! Oh dearly beloved! How I wish I was with you! The best that I could do, is read history books, watch documentaries, stand in the places that they stood, make my money, and hook up with the modern-day female. I will be alternating through these three until I pass.... Good luck out there gentleman! Cheers! ♥️💙💜🎩
"Women, if you make men wait, you will end up with the men with time on their hands."
4:14
Best quote
Will go over 95% of their heads lol
Logical women, albeit the few, understand this quote already. And ironically, so do the few(?) who don't care. Because they have a different agenda in mind for what to do to with "time on their hands " situations.
Retired wealthy men?
For Men is cheaper to be single and for women is cheaper to be in relationship
That is what I tell my wife 😆
lol
That sums it up so accurately!
😂😂
@@gregorylatta8159same 😂
All the happiest relationships I know literally just met someone and clicked with them. It should be that simple. I think the problem is that most people of both genders are not prioritizing genuine connection. Everyone is so poisoned from online dating discourse that they can’t approach dating innocently and lose the ability to distinguish genuine affection from survival instinct.
As a woman, my feed is always giving me “dating advice” and urging me to automatically reject any man that doesn’t automatically treat you like a prize just for existing. I never see anyone question, “do you even like him?” It’s just about what you can get out of them.
The truth is when you approach dating like this people can sense how poisoned you are. It makes your personality and spirit unpleasant and unfeminine. I believe in traditional roles, but this always felt so dehumanizing and infantilizing to me. Its disrespectful to both the man and to ourselves.
This is just an example, men have their own versions of this poisonous rhetoric. We’re all being spiritually poisoned and broken down for the same reasons.
Great comment. Can’t believe any women bother with this content and I like a lot of his stuff but this just feeds angry men online
@@Lex_Lugari get recommended his page a lot and sometimes lurk, I’m really curious about this stuff
This is a GREAT take! You said that so much better than I could have. Human connection isn’t a commodity to be traded in an open market.
Treat you like a prize but the men you're going out with is probably talker, stronger and makes more money than you, so if he's better than you on must aspects how're you a prize ?
@@renardbennett75 Yes...meet partners in the real world, not much different from meeting friends. Connection can't be overstated imo. It seems that's of no interest for the most part on this channel
"Why very attractive women aren't on dating apps?"
Because they are on Instagram!
LMAO
💥 and on Instagram they have UA-cam celebrities, successful men, talent scouts etc all sliding into their DMs. . .
😂
Sometimes they are on both. I met an Instagrammer on eHarmony.
Or onlyfans
Right 😂
The truth is the woman won't wait if she wants it. If she doesn't want it, she's not going to be worth the wait.
@@revolutionaryhamburger BINGO!!! If you have to guess at all about the girl liking you, then you need to move on.
She wouldn’t make Chris Hemsworth wait.
Word. Women who actually want you wouldn't make you wait. She would be making herself wait... and what woman has that kind of discipline these days
She'll wait when she thinks it will secure her more investment.
Yup, I’m not married, but the women who’ve given into me the fastest, ended up getting the most genuine and generous sides of me. Mainly because at that point you know she gave in cause she REALLY likes you, which increases your motivation to reciprocate more, at least for me. When you see them tilting towards making you “wait” you already know it’s BS and cause she sees other traits in you that can benefit her long term, not cause she views you in a very sexually desirable light. Because best believe, most women have slept quickly with a guy before, simply because of pure unadulterated attraction.(I would know, I’m a very attractive dude myself). Thats what most men want, that security of knowing she views you as number 1, that boost to your ego makes you wanna go all out! Especially when you pair this up with a woman that has a very kind soul and cheery personality.🙏💯💯
I’m a woman and prefer coffee dates, walks, doing sports together, basically free or low cost dates. I just want to get to know someone and build a genuine connection, expensive dates aren’t required for that. But no way will I sleep with a guy on the first date, or sleep with every guy I date, that’s disgusting and hard on a woman’s soul.
So well-said. These videos are ridiculous.
@@juliea. They're only ridiculous if you live in a fairytale. It's fine not to sleep with a guy quickly when you're young. But by a certain age, we all know you've done a lot for little or nothing. We know what you'll do for the guy you like, so we know how you feel when you don't do the same for another guy.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
@@tdaye6978 Keep telling yourself that.
@@Mari-gl2tk seriously…like whatever happened to having genuine connection with someone. That is something I crave
@@juliea.Thanks! Finally a sane comment in this section
Being single and not chasing women for the last 5 years after my divorce, I have saved more money then I thought possible. There is a huge price to being in any relationship with a woman.
How did you meet your zexual needs, assuming you have some?
Sometimes you just gotta go without especially if you have standards at least I do
@@rayrwyr Hit a s3x doll site, and buy a torso for 600 bucks.
I would have retired ten years earlier if I had learned that lesson earlier.
Same here! Dating scene for middle age man is just too expensive. I don’t need a woman beside me and boss me around and make my life miserable
I have always found it baffling, that so many women have the attitude of wanting to be appreciated for their personality instead of their body, while at the same time being so entitled that they feel they don't have to sell their personality.
A woman who likes you will talk you into her. Literally.
And at the same time, being obsessed with their looks, clothes, hair, makeup, etc.
And they want you to be attracted to their body and they dress in such ways to garner attention to their bodies. But heaven forbid you express that you're attracted to their bodies.
We appreciate compliments on our bodies and our personality. I think a woman should be excited to know that the man she is with or dating finds her sexually attractive but for most conventionally attractive women, they hear it very often, it doesn't impress them. Also, alot of women assume men's standards for sex is lower, so the compliment means nothing. Perhaps they only get annoyed if they're not attracted to the guy making the compliment.
good point. seeing through them renders personality irrelevant anyway. if even moderately ‚appealing‘ (while faked up) xx.s have bd.cnt >> 10(0). there‘s abundance in zombies with prospect on rel.ship.wreackages around. and those 9..10s in escort mode | as likely alpha widows are included here. be they gone wherevever, pass left (x). gents actually don’t have to settle for any xx.s at all, ever.
"Always Cheaper for a man to stay single & always cheaper for a woman to stay in a relationship"... that was gloriously poetic & blew my mind. Simple yet elegant.
Your thumbnails designer should get a raise!! I first discovered your channel because of your unique thumbnails. I always love your thumbnails. It looks like I'm going to read a novel
Are they not AI generated? They are beautiful.
They are Art Deco-inspired, I love them, too! 👍🏿
Same here, very interesting one !
Hear, hear! 😎
@@yuris6125 Indeed!! Love them as well!
Women don't see making men wait as "her getting everything she wants while he gets none of what he wants" because they think we actually enjoy dates where no sex happens.
Do you think so?
The Dichotomy of women to only want to date well traveled, experienced, wealthy and knowledgeable men and think YOU would be of any interest to them in terms of conversation.
We are supposed to feel blessed just being in her presence.
@@elonever.2.071Female narcissicism trumping reality.
I think you also hit the other issue. Men should enjoy going on dates even if sex doesn’t happen. If a man doesn’t enjoy the date, then there are two options. The guy only wants sex or the woman isn’t pleasant to be around.
"The high-priced escort is probably more attractive than the average woman on a dating app."
The psychology of S3X without love is emotionally draining. She might be s3xier, but a long-term relationship with a woman who is sexually active without getting stupid attention all the time in return is more desirable.
Also, emotionless S3X can be very damaging in the long run. I understand you're examining the escorts topic as a salvation from the hell that a traditional relationship can cause. But, the effects of prostitution are real, and it might be the reason for your downfall.
Most men who rent an escort they go for cuddling and cries. Did you know that? Men crave love also. Even a high value successful man will reach a point to settle.
THis is so true
Absolutely true. But what makes you think you'll find emotional support, respect and or trust with and from the one you settle for? Both options are dreadfully harmful. Its just the mechanisms of how this toxic invoice is created.... none toxic low invoices? Disneyland only.
The most insulting thing is that you have a 30 year old who was easy when she was young and hot but now suddenly wants to be treated as a lady. No comment.
Our dating market in a nutshell my friend
yep the ran through alpha widow who will treat the next man as second class at best wants an even higher value. Yep makes sense.
Automatic disqualifier. Most women nowadays, especially if she has kids. She's simply looking to funnel ALL the benefits out of a man, while she holds her bargaining chip
@@detroitvcw >>simply looking to cipher ALL the benefits out of a man
@@johannesdolch I don’t get it?
- If she was a hoe in her twenties she MUST stay a hoe for the rest of her life otherwise she’s a hypocrite ?
- do you feel entitled to her body just because she had sex before ? Wouldn’t it be easier to just leave her alone?
And isn’t this how women’s body count keep doubling in first place ?
This reminds me of kids who sell flowers in the streets of poor countries, if you buy from one of them you’ll have to buy from the rest of them.
“I didn’t pay them for sex, I paid them to leave”
-Charlie Sheen
Wasn't he the king dork though?
With HIV.
@@peaceonearth8693 what’s your point?
@@gregorylatta8159your point?
@@MrBendacorna The point is that if someone is a fool, then their 'wisdom' is worthless. What C.S. said, sounds like him bragging that he was so in demand that he had to fight women off. Which would put himself as so much better than regular guys. Someone with that attitude is a dork, imho.
"Women make rules for Betas, and break rules for Alphas." -- Rollo Tomassi
✅ Verified statement.
@@tiomoidofangle102 did he come up with that in high school? It sounds so high school to me.
@@stevendavidson8733 doesn't make it wrong though.
Yeah the issue most men have with women sleeping on the first date is that if you do it for the chads you should be doing it for the regular guys you're serious about. Because otherwise that's just stupid and unfair. However you shouldn't be sleeping with guys on the first date in the first place.
nailed
I think keeping sex work illegal has only helped married women. It gives men a much lessened chance of finding outlets for sexual relief. While making their wives the only (legal) game in town. It kills the sexual "supply," while the demand only grows & grows. If escorting became legal everywhere, then married women would lose their tactic of not putting out for their husbands, because he could find some tail easily elsewhere.
Bingo
Keeping it illegal is oppressing women to help women. Older women are constantly doing that to younger ones.
It has helped all women.
Vegas, baby... VEGAS. 😎
Unfortunately prostitution, like hard drug use, is detrimental to society and the community in general, but it is true that the main voices for criminalizing prostitution were house wives.
Women think if they have to make men wait so they will see her inner beauty. Problem is most women don't work on their inner beauty.
Inner beauty is a requirement for outer beauty. Outer beauty requires discipline, it requires dieting and exercise, it requires regular maintenance of several body and hair care routines and requires this all be done while still young.
It requires inner beauty to maintain outer beauty. The whole idea of beauty only being skin deep is just a dumb idea to help ugly people cope. The beautiful people have better personalities than they do but they don't want to admit it.
@@elinope4745 Equating inner beauty to discipline is a cope. While discipline is a practical personality trait, it doesn't make some fun/interesting/pleasant to be on a date with...
MO$T women don't even have inner beauty.
True dat.
The make-him-wait strategy works if
1. Hookup culture is not an option where the prospective man may not be swayed to go and get pleasure elsewhere
2. She has always maintained the same standard even in her past not not easily slept with men she dated
This "economics of relationships" mentality is so freaking harsh for us romantics, but sadly so REAL.
Count on women, especially do called "good ones", to crush the dreamer out of you. Sad, but it is what it is. I'm a "half-Chad", and Ive been treated waaayyy better as a player, except for the infatuation period.
Wayyyyyyuu better as a player by a long shot
Honestly it’s freeing to hear. You no longer have to operate under this guise of love and romanticism, operating under the laws of economics and practicality is much more approachable
I agree, it's disappointing at first, but i've come to realize romance is for women. We create emotional experiences for them to make them feel good, which can feel fulfilling. Unfortunately it means the magic trick is ruined for you personally because you know how it's done.
It's harsh for us romantics, we can just check out from this and talk to real, normal, well adjusted people (who also tend to be romantics)
😂😂 Has the Dr talked to my mother? She is a 63 year old two time divorcee that is now saying she will not have sex before marriage
Well, I guess it’s over for her
Well, technically she's right then.
How many cats?
The issue for sex for women is that they know many men it's a driving force. So they believe that holding sex will land them a better catch. Many older women engage in this strategy.
daaamn aha no man gonna marry her to get some of that old tuna
I’m a high value man and I’ll tell you first hand paying for it is not fun. It takes all the joy of the hunt, finessing your skills, figuring out how to find a great woman who will be someone that will enrich your life. Women are a lot more than just a hole to stick your thing in. It’s sad that we have come to this as a species where all of the skills we have built as men to get women are now solved by a few dollars. Supposedly. Let’s not forget that the women that trade their bodies for money are highly skilled in stripping as much money from you as possible. And often come with men, who may rob you, scam you or end your life. If you let a certain side of the world into your life, he prepared for the consequences
You are a rare experience on this site full of very jaded men! After nearly 34 years I am still happily married to my first and only wife! Marriage takes work. “It ain’t easy” but as long as both parties are committed to trying to make it work it is worth the effort. I think a lot of men have unrealistic approaches to finding a keeper wife. The host never mentions the consequences of paying for sex! Men get attached to a good woman too but who would marry a prostitute? Who wants to risk HIV? I found my wife as a neighbor. We spoke casually while washing cars and such… we had the ability to converse and laugh… similar ambitions but enough differences to give us “space.” She is the only woman who said she wanted to have kids with me and here we are 1.5 score later. So sad to see so many deeply jaded men out there. If my wife passed away I’d remarry if I found the correct “chemistry.”
Exactly.
One, the doctor is continually suggesting the only asset a woman can give to a man is sexual favors (in reality it is much more than that, like she can be a friend, a mother, a career advisor, a supporter, a kind critic, a muse, a motivator, a hair stylist, wardrobe stylist, cleaner, tax advisor, accountant, advisor of social cues and unwritten norms, a person who knows what a gift would suit for a specific occasion, etc.).
And two, while counting cost of prostituting females, he doesn't take into account probability of STDs and ensuing costs of curing those, or emotional toll a MAN has to bear for using this option, or loss of self-esteem of a man, loss of reputation (and even contacts) at/with his mother, siblings and more conscious friends, sometimes also at his work, etc.
Some things cannot be undone.
when i heard the dr t mention escort, I assumed he meant an official escort service. I know people, well, ladies who got themselves a sugar daddy. through a service. that may work out better for both parties, they go into it with eyes wide open. one girl was at his beck and call. he was married, but she escorted him to events and functions. he rewarded her for her service though. the way dr t talks about relationships, it may as well be sugar daddy-baby based. it would be more fun
@@nalianalianalia The things you mentioned men can easily get that from other men. Men in general deal with women for sexual access. If you’re not offering that, we have zero interest being your friend or anything else you have to offer. You’re more likely to get an STD from a regular woman than a prostitute. A prostitute; you will wrap it up, but a woman you’re taking on dates,you will most likely hit raw 😊
@@nalianalianaliathis.
This Is why Men should never lead with money or take women on expensive dates. if she is annoyed about some coffee or walks in the contryside , bowling dates She is Not worth any investment Expecting expensive dates just to get to know someone is a HUGE RED FLAG
@BaseRealityVR Why are so many of you guys paying for everything? Most women today have careers and can easily split costs with you and actually would want to. Maybe you haven't met those many women. Too bad. Also takes communication around the subject. I forgot...advice on this channel is basically not to talk to women much in a relationship. Whatever...
For women their looks = currency, and yes beauty eventually fades, therefore just date women that are average looking with careers of their own. You would be surprised how happy you will be.
Speak for yourself. You probably don't make much money, so the idea of spending 100-200 on a date is jaw-dropping to you. But for some men that's pocket change.
Most women will r*pe you in divorce, if given the chance, regardless of what you make. The only way to mitigate that is a prenup, or don't get married at all (and never live with a woman) if a prenup doesn't seem safe enough to you.
@razzendahcuben In state I live in is NO fault. 50/50 split
@razzendahcuben A lot of men and women I know split cost of dates, dinners, trips, concerts...
even as a man i have to disagree here. a woman waiting for 3 dates to have sex isn’t a big deal if she’s serious. thats like a month of getting to know someone. if a man’s very busy obviously that’s different but i’m speaking on average.
I just can't get over the fact that Orion is ignoring "girls who put out on the first date" as a red-flag. Unresolved daddy-issues are not date-worthy.
Bro she probably f someone else on the first date and the fact she's making you wait just means she doesn't find you that attractive. Weak up
Flip the script. She sold off a potential life long partner and father of her children, just for the price of a vacation in Dubai.
She sold long term future for a price of a vacation.
Renting her is always the best option . Only a fool buys and owns the car (depreciated item)
He says she bought a beer for the price of a vacation. While in reality she bought a vacation for the price of a long term relationship.
And that offer from Dubai is to rent her.
@@IMYOURMAJESTY92 not all cars depreciate... just most.
Some cars are instant classics, and if maintained, will significantly appreciate in value.
Your mentality comes from a "keeping-up-with-the-Jonses" perspective. True elegance and attractiveness doesn't need to be updated for the market's sake, it doesn't have subjectivity because it is completely objective and it doesn't fade. This kind of attractiveness is indeed rare... but it exists.
See "Romance is for men"
@@KennethFabritius So you just gotta find your LFA or Porsche 918 Spyder?
Honestly, engaging in today's hookup and dating culture is an embarrassing and an aweful way to live. Men worry about money, women worry about safety. Be nice to the people you emgage with. Sometimes patience and politeness also gets you what you want.
Yeah giving the advice to women that they should put out to guys they're after without a lot of qualification is spectacularly bad advice because it just results in getting used by guys who are out of their league or don't have an interest in them then by the time they figure out what they're doing wrong they're so screwed up emotionally and traumatized they'll need 2-3 relationships in a row of men willing to put up with a massive amount of abuse being punished for all the previous relationship failures to recover. And the number of women who can get that is not very high.
This is one of the main reasons so many women aren't getting married today, men would rather leave the country or not date at all then deal with this.
@@goazer2No one ever said dating and mating would be easy.
All genders must adjust expectations.
@@rizzamaeong Yeah but the chances the high level guy will actually date or commit to them is like 5% according to the numbers I've seen. And in a lot of cases it negatively affects future relationships. So this is not good advice.
no- it doesnt
All men pay. But Chad and Tyrone get the biggest discount. The scarcity-minded beta male will have to pay the most, i.e. marriage. The scarcity-minded beta male will also lose the most, i.e. his money, house and kids in divorce. Chad and Tyrone get the best treatment (same night lay) for the least amount of investment.
White women love BBC. They're the ultimate alphas.
I want to bottom for chad and tyrone lol
Exactly. Men need to start waking up and arming themselves with knowledge. Marriage is only to have a family, and only with a girl who showed 100% interest in you when she was under the age of 22 and you are able to maintain complete frame.
I've dated all over the world, from experienced women to virgins, from conservative to liberal. And I've always went to bed with the women date one or two. I'm very bold and move fast, but I haven't found a huge variation in this.
Chads>tyrones
Being yt is law
I learned scarcity vs abundance from my wife, who is Pinay. Her family doesn't have a mechanical dish washer and washing machine, they have a maid, who also cooks for them. When we got married and I went to mow the lawn, my wife asked me, 'why? How much do you make in an hour? How much does contracting that out cost?' We have our house cleaned and our lawn mowed, and I keep making more and more per hour. So: instead of losing $50 to have somebody else mow our lawn, our family has made millions over these past five years because I pay somebody else to mow the lawn, and, with that time, I concentrate on building our business.
Based Pinay wife.
I'm Filipina.
But you didn't even have to learn that from her.
Its simple: OPPORTUNITY COST
@@rizzamaeong I did. You see, you know that, foundationally. But I learned an entirely different lesson from my dad: he learned how to fix cars, so he wouldn't have to take them to to the shop. He cut his own wood and had a wood-burning stove, so he would pay less on the heating bill. He cut the grass, because: to pay another person one red cent? The thought was anathema. No: the thought didn't even exist for him. He fixed bicycles that he would fish out of the landfill, and sent 100 of them in a container to Africa.
Whatever my dad did, he rolled up his shirt sleeves and got to work, saving $5 here, $10 there, and he built his fortune that way, owning 3 homes, 2 rented out (which he managed), and retired at 50. He hasn't worked for pay a day since.
That's what I learned from my dad: "If you're going to do something, do it yourself, and do it right."
So, when my wife suggested we hire people to do work that we could contract out? That blew my mind. It took a lot of adjusting to see that "A penny saved is a penny earned" isn't the only way to look at life and labor.
My man created a whole video rationalizing his use of prostitutes 😂
8s and 9s aren't on dating apps bc they are MONETIZED. They are all dating rich men, either as GFs or sugar babies, and a lot of these rich men have multiple women 🤷♀️
I know this bc I am a rich man, and the women I can get on Tinder, Hinge Bumble are FAR less attractive compared to the women I can get with my money.
@njerseydavid no not escorts. as wives, gf and sugar babies. I have 3 sugar babies and a gf and I give them money / spend money on them. Lots of rich men have multiple women.
Question to you as a rich man. Is beauty really in the eye of the beholder or is there an actual standard of beauty that rich men prefer? I’m asking because I have seen that some men don’t necessarily choose highly attractive women. Not all the time. I have a few wealthy uncles and their choices in women (as far as looks goes) were kind of questionable. But that was their life and we didn’t judge. But there also wasn’t apps back then either so maybe things have changed. 🤷🏽♀️
@@njerseydavid Some escorts are beautiful but they are very rare. Most women out digging for gold, hopes that they will marry the man even though they are incredibly stupid for thinking that. 😂😂😂
Yes was going to say this.
@@FA9082 Girlfriends and sugar babies are capable of very devious actions and may try to trap you.
You didn't need me to tell you that though.
He makes a good point, forget about world-class beauties, even just a normal pretty girl with a very fit body will get hit on anywhere she goes, there could be a guy asking her out while she steps out for a cup of coffee. why would she need to use dating apps?
Easy, because dating apps give wo.en access to men that they wouldnt just stumble across. Think going to a walmart vs browsing amazon. I knew 2x 19 year old girls that just browsed dating apps/DM'd on insta until they found a professional athlete to fuk. No way they would just stumble on them in real life.
That is mostly true. Lots of pickup artists who sell their dumb courses make the argument that attractive women get approached less because men are intimidated. They sell this argument as proof of their unparalleled wisdom. Reality is if you ask really attractive women, most will tell you they get hit on almost every single place they go to in public.
This is not true, many beautiful women dont never ever get approached.
If this is true- I never see it. I see tons of hot women who are flat out ignored now because men are done with it. Literally saw a hot woman try to pickup a guy at a gym. She'd chose a machine next to him and try to talk to him and he'd switch machines. It was great.
I disagree! As the described women, this never happens to me, maybe a handful of times in my entire life. I also have very attractive friends and it doesn't happen to them either. Men have this false belief that women just get hit on everywhere we go... NOT TRUE! the location/proximity does matter tho as mentioned by another user
As a successful man, I would never in a million years even think about Marrying a woman who gives it up in less than 3 dates 😂😂 God only knows how high her body count would be 😂😂
I'm practically screaming EXACTLY THAT at my computer right now. Even the comments section. I thought it was common knowledge that you can't trust a girl who puts out on the first date. Everything he's saying makes sense up until he shits on the (very standard) 3-date rule. It's leaving the important "SLUT WITH DADDY-ISSUES" variable out of the equation. It's watching someone well respected and educated say 2 + 2 = 5 and 99% of this comments section is agreeing with him. It's giving me a migraine.
Successful mean you got all your objectives done?
Agreed.
I never committed to any of the ones who slept with me on the first date.
Why would I control myself for a woman who has no self control?
If my wife slept with me on the first date, she wouldn’t be my wife today.
It’s a bad strategy for women, and I doubt @psychacks would actually recommend this strategy to his daughter, if he had one.
This advice really strikes me as someone trying to justify their current proclivity to see others in an instrumental kind of way.
It seems like the words of a man who has seen his income and status increase, but is annoyed that he is still expected to prove to women that he doesn’t just see them as a means to gratify his hedonistic pleasures.
The instrumental outlook on human beings is borderline sociopathic, and I hope Orion doesn’t play in this swamp for too long.
I’ve been there. The hedonistic life of having multiple partners trying to win you over with sex seems like a teenage boy’s fantasy, but it’s actually pretty empty, pointless, and I had to be one a borderline alcoholic to even engage in it.
I’m glad all that is behind me now.
The irony is that I’m also hotter and more successful now than I was in my twenties so it’d probably be even easier! But it’s not remotely worth it.
It's because you are a successful man but not an attractive man.
You clearly don't think you are attractive, you just think you are successful.
16:30 Women: "I am the prize". Orion: "Most men have to settle, at least sexually" (paraphrased).
Most women settle as every single women would like to date a wealthy man but those are in very limited supply.
If she’s attractive and has Instagram she doesn’t need a dating app. (Because Instagram is also a dating app). Rare to find an attractive woman who doesn’t have any social media
@@krashdummiez007 in my experience even linkedin is a dating app. and one with very respectful suitors may I add.
@@catvergueiro8905 thanks for the tip.
@@catvergueiro8905 Hitting on women on linkedin sounds like a very dangerous game to play. haha Do you want additional HR training, because that's how you get it. lol
Not all men want a lady without social media. She may be seen as boring or not as desired by other men as he would (implicitly) expect. There are also men who enjoy being there and cannot live without social media.
@@Elisabetta.Scalisi I never said that that men prefer women without social media. But since we’re on the topic MOST men would not think a girl is “boring” without social media that’s how women think. I think most men would actually prefer it.
Orion is so clear and logical in his assessment of human behaviour.
Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait. - Rollo Tomassi
Does he teach this to his daughter too?!🤣
@@dominique7269 I believe she's married
@@dominique7269 It would be something new if a woman had to wait for sex. Then it's really not worth it.🤣
@@razer0072073 They always come with the SIGN language
Men should be suspicious of women who give it up on the first date and make a point of not continuing to date these women or take them seriously for an actual relationship.
nahhh just be normal, make friends and see, I take things really slow, works best! Ladies don’t rush, but don’t let them hanging if you decide they aren’t it
@@QWERTY-hl6wm smh wrong
In one ear and right out the other
A woman that holds back is not necessarily playing hard to get. A woman might enter the dating game with an understanding of how she feels after having sexual relations with a man.
There are biochemical factors to consider and it differs for both men and women (and varies from individual to individual). It makes sense for someone who has an intention to find a long term commitment to wait a little longer before having sex.
This may be 3 hours, 3 days or 3 months - but the point is to make sure that both parties have similar goals or are aligned in life.
An escort gets $250-$1000 in return for an hour of her time whereas the woman looking for commitment is not guaranteed anything. It is only logical for a woman to calculate risks and protect herself before diving into the oxytocin goodness of sex. ❤
This is the best comment I've read on this 3 videos.
But I am curious, what do you do to keep a man interested if you will have him wait 3 months for sex? Just long talks and fun dates?
I think this works for average guys without options who are not use to dating beautiful women, but I'm curious do women use the same strategy for men with options? Most women automatically say "Yes!" but it can't be that easy to find then attract high quality men (looks + personality, not just money like a lot of men think).
I could be wrong but since women complain so much about not finding most men attractive I just can't see a woman doing things to run man off who she finally finds attractive.
@333angeleyes I'm from a Conservative community and men wait no problem.
It'll be impossible to expect chaste women with low bodycount to have sex on the third date.
Men take the lead and bring the woman into his world and integrate her in it. He should show her his idea of fun
@@333angeleyes well, yes. Talks, dates and activities. Like building any relationship, whether it’s a friendship or familial or work relationship, there has to be a foundation.
I’m not saying that we should be prudes. You can flirt and be sexy without sleeping with someone. And this usually comes naturally if you’re attracted to the other person. It’s part of courting!
However, I don’t think a woman should drag it out for the sake of testing the man. Both a woman and a man has a right to take the time they need and figure out if someone is worth their long term investment. You can’t tell from just a few dates.
So essentially I thjnk it’s best to enter this situation with a mindset of “how do I feel around him? Am I at the point where it feels right to move forward? And what are the consequences?” instead of putting a time on it.
I also think it’s important to remember that a partnership or marriage lasts a long time. 5/10/50 years down the road, it’s going to be more than sex that keeps two people invested in each other.
the man who is not willing to wait for sex with you is not interested in You. Make him wait for sex - it is a test!
I think there is a flaw in this analysis. If someone is dating for marriage and children, the escort certainly can’t solve this problem. I’d argue that even being with the escort some nights is going to reduce the man’s drive to find a “non escort” woman who might be wife and mother material. Thanks and love the content!! So what is a guy to do who is looking for a wife and not just sex?
I vote this argument up! I’m also interested in this question…what do super busy guys who want to marry/have a family do? This talk only focuses on sex in the short term, but some rich men surely also want to have a family? Would they also consider the escort for this??
Dude, come on. You know the answer. Lol. Just go on normal dates. You're watching weird UA-cam videos as an excuse to not use common sense. Dating advice on UA-cam is only relevant to 1% of peoples lifestyles.
@@kennedyhair8434 Spot on
Dr, an escort isn't a real relationship.. it's a fake one. Your executive might be "saving money" but he's not building anything.. he's just shooting his load and that's it. You're not placing a value on the very high worth of building a relationship with someone who knows you, cares about you, loves you. And if you've ever had sex with someone you love vs. some floozy you don't give a damn about, you know there's no comparison there either. So, I reject this whole analysis.
This is true. On the other hand, how many couples who go for that goal end up in loving relationships for the long term? 50% divorce rate, another 20-30% of expired intact marriages where the sex is anything but emotional. A few manage a great relationship long term but those are rare.
@@roses6564 I guess it depends on what your parents modeled for you. My parents had a loving relationship their entire lives.
@@johns6331 Stats talk.
For men who just want to bust a nut it's cheaper and less money wasted to visit an escort. For men who are looking for more, they will eventually find it.
@johns6331 Considering how MOST marriages turn out, having meaningless sex is a FAR better outcome than getting into a relationship/marriage that has, at best, a 20% chance of being a lifelong net-neutral or better. The majority of marriage that stay together (which is a shrinking minority already) are only together because the man knows that is he leaves the bad situation, his life is effectively ruined beyond any reasonable repair due to the family court system. And these are people whose parents were in living relationships. My parents are still married, but we aren't raised by our parents as much as we are by society. And seeing our society for what it is, and knowing the laws, I'm simply not dumb enough to put myself in a contract that the other party is socially AND financially incentivized to break at my expense. My life is far better than all but one of the married or divorced millennial men I've ever known. ONLY ONE is in a positive situation that a reasonable man would accept.
You can reject the analysis, but understand that our entire culture is built off of rejecting the truth because the truth isn't pretty.
This is incredibly bad advice. If the goal of a woman is a long-term committed relationship, i.e. marriage, and I can’t imagine it being otherwise, then the worst thing she can do is give away sex easily, freely or even at all.
There is nothing attractive about a promiscuous woman, and men of worth will rarely entertain a long-term committed relationship with such a woman.
Women, if your goal is marriage and the man you’re dating loses interest because you won’t have casual sex with him, you’re dating the wrong man.
Exactly! And then they'd just have regrets piled upon regret for each man... I get what he's saying, but he doesn't take into account that not all women are after a man just because he makes money.... I guess for the gold-diggers that could be seen as good advice, but if they are that easy how would the man not wonder if they are being faithful to them if sex was so casually given when they didn't have a commitment? Anyway, it's nice to see a man sharing this sentiment.
I was sitting here thinking this is one of the WORST videos I have ever seen/listened to in my life. It is awful advice and I had to pause to read the comments to make sure I wasn't the only one hearing what I heard. I'm sorry for anyone whose upbringing was conservative, trying to come to terms with what is encouraged today.
this video encourages promiscouty. it is ugly and sad. i hope women will not follow and will keep their dignity.
According to data from the CDC, in 2022, the average age of female virginity loss was 17.3 years. And also according to the CDC, at age 21, 95% of American women have lost their virginity.
Additionally, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), the average American woman has a sexual partner count of 7.8 men. Compare that to the country with the lowest body count according to the WHO, India, where women have an average sexual partner count of 1.2 men. Or other traditional, patriarchal countries like Guatemala, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, and Indonesia where the average sexual partner count for women is 1.5 men.
The problem with this line of thinking is that (1) western women are no longer pure and virgins, and (2) western women now regularly lie about their sexual pasts, and (3) no western women are willing to judge or shame other women for promiscuity. Women in the west used to shame other women for behaving poorly. Now western women celebrate Beyonce climbing on stage and gyrating in minimal clothing and rapping about starting an OnlyFans. Or Taylor Swift singing about girl power and being piped by 40 different men. Shame is gone from the west. So western women now have less value to men globally.
So, unless a woman is a virgin, making a man wait does not address the skepticism any man will have re: a western woman’s sexual past. If you are not a virgin you could have slept with 1 man or 100 men and finding the exact number is effectively impossible for a man.
As men, it is only logical to wait for sex from a virgin. If a woman says that she is virgin, after doing some checks if it appears to be true, I will wait as much as 1 year. Anyone woman who is not a virgin I am not waiting more than 2 dates before dumping her.
Simps exist. So, maybe these born again floozies can catch a simp. But no man who understands women who wait for them. If a man has better options he does not need to wait. So, the men who wait are by definition the ones without other options, or certainly better options. And a truly wise man would only marry a virgin. Especially in a western country where marriage laws and the courts favor women. No other women qualify for marriage.
I disagree for the first time. We as men should not incentivize women to sleep with every guy.
Don't worry, women don't like many guys to that level. He says if she really really likes a guy and must have, don't make him wait, reffering to the guy she really really wants, not any guy she has any attraction to at all.
He didn't say women should sleep around. Not at all.
No thanks. I’d rather keep my soul and dignity by going on slightly less “expensive” dates.
You are the ‘best ‘ bro! There is nothing like your clips on all of UA-cam. PERIOD
This is one series that, while I understand the doctor's arguments, I disagree with them. There is an emotional component to relationships which he doesn't seem to understand. If a man wants to be loved, wants a woman who is devoted to him, etc. he is not going to find that with an escort. If he wants a family, a mother for his future children, he is not going to find that with an escort. The doctor is talking about finding sexual gratification, not finding love. Just something to be aware of.
That seems to be the core disagreement I have with his content too. It is all analyzed from a trading standpoint and not the value of love and connection, while that is what most humans are truly craving in their heart, whether they admit it or not.
Stephanie, emotional component cannot usually be found, except for some rare cases. The divorce rate is evidence thereof. Taking all into account, an escort is CHEAPER and SAFER, because:
1. A man does not lose his children.
2. A man does not get thrown in jail.
3. A man does not lose half his wealth.
4. A man does not become homeless.
5. A man stays alive.
There is no such thing as love xD we're animals.
The thing is... For a man, lust comes before love. Women can't comprehend the value sex has to a man, because it's easy for you to get.
@pmaitrasm I think this kind of tradings definitely can fulfill specific needs for some people. Male or female. However it is different from what relationships are supposed to be for. For instance, I guess if a man is rich, he may be able to pay someone to have his kids but most of the time, only a fulfilling relationship will be able to provide support, connections, family and more, especially after the golden age. Yes it is a huge risk for both sides, as he said it is a gamble. There is a recent clip from a famous divorce lawyer that explains that very well on how to protect oneself and also able to success in marriage based on the foundation of love. I think balance (and preup) are the keys.
"don't sleep with men on the first date if you want to be perceived as high value. It cheapens you"
"DO sleep with men on the first date if you want him"
So... You should only want to be perceived as high value if you're NOT interested in them?
Make it make sense, Orion...
Easy. Disregard the first statement.
@@psychacks right... So what happened to "if she does this with me, she must do it with every man she meets"?
Again: make it make sense
@@fashionspy96you can't. Men are hypocrites.
@@fashionspy96 It was never a real talking point. The reality is women sleep with men they truly like on the first date. Everything else is a romantic cope from men. It's why, and let's say it all together, *none of them are virgins.* The logic only applies to virgins.
@fashionspy96 "doing the right things with the wrong guys".
"Dont make the right guy wait and the wrong guy gets his fun, while hoping that the right guy will think higher of you, when you dont deserve to be thought higher off based on your actions".
In the age of social media, women as solipsistic as they are, exposed the game themselves. Even, the most hermit of men, now see the female sexual strategy. Some men have adapted to play the game to win, others dont see the point. I believe you call the latter, incels lol.
The problem with this economic analysis is that it omits the cost of the risk of engaging in an illegal activity to scratch the itch.
I knew of a high value man that got busted for soliciting prostitutes. His world came crashing down pretty quickly once he started facing criminal sanctions and potential loss of his professional license.
I haven't been in a relationship in over four and half years. I am also in the best financial shape of my life. Hmmm.
I think men should tell the women they are interested in that they will withhold being generous with their money and withhold committing until they are SURE the women are worthy.
Yes, men are supposed to withhold commitment and investment, and women are supposed to withhold sex and physical intimacy. That’s how it’s supposed to work. We’ve only known this for as long as there have been people. 🤦🏻♂️
Honestly 2000 dollars in an hour doesn't sound too terrible right now. I don't even consider myself successful. I just feel like the people I want to date aren't in my league and the people in my league feel like some uglies and weirdos.
@@wisp7753 sounds like you need to work on yourself.
While all of that is true about why successful men use prostitutes, that does not translate into it being a good idea for women to sleep with men sooner.
Women do not benefit long term from sleeping with unvetted men who are not interested in long term commitment, regardless of her age. When she chooses to sleep with a man should be based on vetting his personality & character, life situation, and intentions. There's no benefit to a woman to sleeping with a man before she has this information.
While I get that a woman "holding out" isn't the best method either, because she's not really considering the right things if it's about a certain amount of *time* vs a certain amount of information. And she better actually be feeling the desire herself, otherwise everyone looses in the end.
The fact is, young women can wait longer, and that's good, as they should, to better vette the partner. The fact is that older women don't have the same amount of power, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't also be just as interested in vetting the partner's character, life circumstance, and intentions, as she will not actually benefit from sleeping around as an older woman trying to get picked. She should instead focus her attention on how to vette men properly.
The real actual solid advice for women for the benefit of women is: vette men before you have sex. And if they are young women, it's: don't even think about having sex until you're sure he's vetted and in for the long game, and you're sure he's the one you want to do life with. Use that power properly while you still have it.
>>The fact is that older women don't have the same amount of power, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't also be just as interested in vetting
You lost me at "vetting his personality & character". Character is the *last* thing women of today are checking for. They are looking for everything BUT personality & character, lol. What they ARE doing is exactly what you describe -- sleeping with men who are not interested in long term commitment. Those are the men they tend to be attracted to.
@@BestInImpact what the general population are doing and what is best for them are often different. It's the responsibility of anyone giving advice, especially from a professional pulpit like a therapist to tell people what would actually be best for themselves, not reinforce societal behaviors that are 100% not beneficial and in fact harmful to themselves.
People do things because either:
They have been taught to,
Or
They haven't been taught not to, and why.
If the Doctor is going to be teaching people, it makes sense to teach them the things that they obviously haven't been taught, or taught well enough, that they should have been taught for their own well-being.
@@alexmuenster2102 right, so if a woman can't, for whatever reason pull a man who has the character and intentions that match what's best for her long term, then she shouldn't be choosing or sleeping with men anyway, so, my point stands. She's genuinely better off not sleeping with any man unless she has vetted the ones expressing interest. If they don't vette, she's dodged a bullet, which may also mean she stays single forever, which, if a man's character and intentions don't match up with what's best for her, single forever is more beneficial, or at least less detrimental.
Sure, but the problem is these women only start vetting men after having bad experiences with Chads. So you're getting the scraps and having to wait for it.
I’m so glad I’ve always worked and made enough to take care of myself. I can enjoy the company of men that I like without feeling that I need any of them.
Opportunity cost is not something many of us take into account in these situations. Jesus Christ what the internet and global communication has done to dating.
Dating is fine. The Internet has just made it profitable to talk about how bad dating is to the incel demographic. The best dating advice is to stop consuming content and start expanding your social circle.
I feel like this particular message is true but trivial. You're essentially saying that very wealthy men aren't willing to date because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. But isn't that kind of the reason why all men are opting out of dating? It's definitely true that a wealthy lawyer or surgeon isn't going to pay $15,000 for the joy of being told to wait by someone who's already banged 500 dudes for way less, and is less interesting to talk to than your average shrubbery. But I feel like the average construction worker is also waking up to this fact. And they're not willing to spend $150 for the joy of getting told to wait by someone who's already banged 50 dudes for way less, has at least one other guy's kid, is 50 pounds overweight, and is less interesting to talk to than your average shrubbery. The only difference is the wealthy guy can afford to rent by the hour, while the rest of us are basically relegated to taking care of it on our own.
We're all saying, in as many ways as we can, that we are no longer interested in paying inflation-era prices for used, banged-up, worn-out products that think they deserve to be treated like they're brand new. It's not necessarily an issue that's confined to successful men. Even the dude who works at McDonald's is starting to get hip to the game.
As Kevin Samuel’s so eloquently put it, “Name something that increases in value with use and age? I’ll wait.”
Underrated comment. Can't really put it any better than this.
@@zoraster3749 a house
true comment
Very brilliant comment. Very articulate use of words to send across a very important point.
It's wild to have you put this into perspective. Simply wow. Men need to understand this. We all know woman simply won't listen to this or pretend it's not true.
Opportunity cost is a thing. As you get older, your time becomes more and more valuable. Not because you're making more money... but what little time you have in this world is even more precious. Doc is spot on. Again !!!!
As a dude in my fifties myself, your point hits home!
Since men judge womens worth somewhat on body count, this is terrible advise for women. Look for high quality men not necessarily high earning men..not the same thing. That is.. if you are looking for marriage at any age.
I would never waste an evening on a date with a woman I pay for. My time is $1,000 per day every day and I would rather do some yoga or read a book than listen to some dumb chick blather on about nothing.
@@angelapaules-f1fhigh earning men = high value men. There are plenty of men out there who will treat you like a queen and have good character, but women don’t want them due to income impediment. 🧢
im not successful but i agree with Orion here, at 60$ per hour for my wage i cannot justify wasting my time on 4s and 5s on shitty dates that go no where. Dating apps and what not consumed a good 5 hours of my free time a week, which admittedly is scarce given my side job and gym routines. I met my current gf outside of dating, outside of that whole context completely.
I recommend to any bro needing a date to meet her in the ether through friends, activities and gyms etc. I met mine at a church board game cafe.
Referrals are way better than cold approach. Engage socially in hobbies and things you like doing and you'll meet people though friends. Women need men to be "vouched for" before they'll really consider you, and the only way to do that is to have personal relationships with their friends.
The thing about meeting women is you need an actual real life reason to talk to them besides how attractive they are. That's the only real way connections actually happen. You need some kind of mechanism to relate to each other with. It's even the same for your friends and family. If there's nothing to relate to each other about then you simply cannot connect. And the kicker is she has to WANT to relate to you.
@@jth_printed_designsrelying on friends is limiting. developing game and cold approach is much more sustainable. dating apps were great in the 2010s for attractive men. All bubbles burst…
Sir, less than 5% of men in the entire world make $60/hr and those 5% don’t all have girlfriends. Distorted world view you have.
@@smokingcrab2290false. that’s a skill issue. you don’t have game.
I was head over heels with my now husband. I held out on sex for one month. Then, I couldn't help myself. 2 months later, he proposed. I made us wait one year to tie the knot officially, just to be sure. Women still throw themselves at him. I feel lucky to have the exact body type and personality combination he likes most, and beat out the competition. He had expensive escorts in the past.
Moving to Brazil 🇧🇷 while earning USD is the cheat code. There is not a lot of men here with money, so you win mathematically.
Same goes for most countries in Latina America or South-East Asia
The Brazilian men will rob and kill you though.
The one the only Skylar. Nice to see you here watching Orion material. Orion is the goat. U guys should do a podcast episode or yt collab.
@@ma2000 the US dollar goes far in many places? Wow. Who knew? Jesus fuck
It's not only about the money my friend. Richardo and Francisco will still be King and you would simply be the simp.
Dr Orion you have helped clear up alot of conflicting thoughts Ive been juggling in my mind. Thank you.
Flaw of your theory is that you assume that successful men make money 24 hrs a day. Like in your example, the lawyer who makes 1200$ an hr. He does not make 1200 $ an hr 24 hrs a day 265 days a week. So your theory is based on wrong assumptions.
Successful would mean he turns away work, if he worked 24 hours the money would fly in for 24 hours. Obviously he needs downtime, but he doesn't need to jump through hoops for some unpleasant woman
That is not true. In most cases, there would not be work available to do for 24 hrs even if he wanted, That is the reality.
He was talking about why highly successful men turn to escorts. The assumption is that they already turn to escorts and are highly successful, so you can safely think about people who have little downtime. It is more likely that their downtime is spent in something they really enjoy, and the time ( and mental energy) they spend to pursue a woman is taking away from the time they could make money.
Bro what??? Lol you think people only get paid by the hour?
Appreciate ya Orion
Absolutely makes sense. I have seen stories on the flip side of that of when an escort/onlyfans tries to get a "real" relationship and runs into difficulties.
S3x-workers are avoided by most men for relationship for good reasons. S3x-workers lose their ability to pair bond with a man. They will cheat and leave.
how could that happen
Women get attached through sex. We need to know who we are attaching ourselves to.
🧢 why don’t they take time to know losers before sleeping 🛌 with them and having babies with deadbeats 🥴?
@@ForrestMystic bingo! I love sex but if I don’t know the character of the man I’m with, it’s extremely risky. If he can’t at least somewhat enjoy my company, then he should find another woman! I’m looking for a mutually good fit not to “catch a man”.
Yeah, agreed. But bear in mind that not all women think like this and the ones who don't are the type of women that are being discussed in most of this channel's videos
@@amandahaataia5505 How has that strategy worked so far?
How has it worked for every other female you know?
Here's why it doesn't work:
Women base their assessments of the world, things and people on how these make women feel... because that is the biological nature of women (and it's the best part about women, from a desirable guy's perspective)...
In romantic situations, women make assessments in that way, instead of employing logical methodologies based on objective observations.
If you attempt to assess the man's character based on how you FEEL about his character, you will fail every single time...and the more arousing the guy is, the stronger the "heart on the sleeve" effect is on the woman will be, which induces her to
Basically, if you're a female, you can't trust yourself or your own brain when it comes to men. Against your own brain, you WILL lose every single time.
Most men are experienced veterans at removing emotion from things like making assessments...we're built for it. Thus the most reliable pair of eyes for assessing a romantic candidate are the eyes of a father or brother of a female.
Male friend's assessments most times can't be trusted (there are reasons).
Female friend's assessments are even less trustworthy (it's not intentional).
The most reliable assessment is from a father.
The worst possible assessment, is by the female herself (because any experienced man knows, if she adores him enough, it becomes as if he can do no wrong in her eyes, she becomes blindly loyal, blindly trusts, blindly follows to hell and back,...none of it is earned, it just automatically comes for free attached to love.)
(Us men are not wired like that, love does not induce trust or respect or loyalty, etc...those emotions need to be induced into us independently, aka earned one by one). Dealing with omen is easy...maker feel arousal+safe = bam!!, she just magically and bindly follows, trusts, respects, admires, loves, etc you.
@amandahaataia5505 I'm a man, and I think the third date is perfectly reasonable. If you're looking for a long-time partner, it just makes sense to ge to know the person. If you put out after the first date then maybe you will get a relationship but maybe he will just leave in the morning. Maybe that's too much for a rich busy man but if you're a genuine guy you'll get why a good long time partner has some self respect.
Nice analysis Doc, thank you! One thing I do have to point out however, is that this entire argument is predicated on the idea that having sex is the one and only reason guys go on dates. Hiring an escort doesn't add marginal progress toward finding a life partner, while going on a regular date just might. I'd like to know your thoughts on how a desire for long-term companionship fits into your economics-based analysis!
Well it is the main reason if not on the first night
@@hoi-polloi1863 I agree there. I think the Doc sometimes takes the transactional nature of relationships too far and ends up with incogruent results. Hey, but no harm no foul, that's what research and exploration are for.
@@paulcolin9071 Just between you and me, I'm playing the long game. I want to find a good woman, marry her, and install her in my house. Mileage varies, of course!
>>...entire argument is predicated on the idea that having sex is the one and only reason guys go on dates...
Thats because sex is the initial and primary desire for a man in most cases, and less of a "life partner", and if you couple that with climate of women in today's society, it's even more profound. Most guys dont go on dates, primarily, get to know someone...if ever. Sex is always on the table, and if its not for the woman, then there's no interest from the guy to continue "dating". The auxillary thought is that finding a life partner is not the primary interest, if at all...especially for the caliber of men he used in his example.
This isn't helpful for men looking for virtuous women. Telling women to be cheap and have sex more freely isn't exactly what actual high value men want.
Thats not what he said
Exactly. High value men don’t commit to women who give it up on the first date.
And men who will fly you out to Dubai for the first date aren’t looking to wife you up.
This is Orion’s worst take to date.
@@JustinColletti But she most likely did give it up to some other dudes on the first date or before. So not because she made you wait means she made everybody else wait equally that long.
@@kylefrisbyYou should vette your potential options for a wife to see if they are that kind of woman.
If they sleep with you on the first date, then they are proving to you without the shadow of a doubt that they are that kind of woman.
This is not to say that any woman who has ever done that in her life is completely unmarriageable.
Points to her if she has the IQ, accountability and decency to recognize that kind of behavior as a mistake, and has the self control to avoid doing it again in the future-all while still pursuing relationship with a man she’s actually attracted to.
Yes, it’s a better, safer to find a partner who was never dumb enough to fall for the bad advice of being that easy to get into bed.
But unfortunately, we live in a world where a lot of people of other sexes have fallen for this nonsense in their younger years, so if you’re having trouble, you may need to open the net to people who have learned from their mistakes.
But if they repeat the same behavior with you, it means they haven’t learned.
The benefit of being a more desirable man is that you don’t have to open the net quite so wide.
Could it be that you find a woman who has lied about having done that kind of thing in the past?
Sure. On the bright side, at least she has the decency to know it’s not desirable behavior that one should feel great about admitting to.
But if she’s comfortable lying, then that’s another red flag, and you should also vette your potential partners to make sure they’re not ok with lying.
Vette your potential life partners obviously, yes. It’s probably the most important decision of your life.
@@JustinColletti Mostly true.
Thank you! Talking about the social dynamics and the reality behind it needs courage and wisdom. The biggest problem in the modern life is there is not enough time.
The perspective of the video is centered about the $$money value of dating. Take money out of the ecuation, and you get the most beautiful women going for the guys they feel most secure with.
Your content is elite my man. I hope men and women listen so we can finally have some real understanding in this world filled with nonsensical inefficient advice.
If every single person followed the advice of this specific video, there would literally be no more people born, and we would all have stds😂
I’m not a religious person, but listening to this video made me realize the rules about sex in the bible pretty much solve this issue. Sex is only for marriage and making children. If there’s no expectation of sex outside of marriage, then people will just try to get to know each other and enjoy each other’s company first. Relationships become less transactional.
I don't agree that there are no attractive women on dating apps. Harder to get? Sure, but not none.
They're outliers though and they're impossible to chase. 8s and above looks for 10s or higher. It's safe to just disregard them unless you have 9 figure wealth
if you're attractive, fun and lucky enough, you could score a 9 or 10 still in her teen years who were cheated on by her first serious boyfriend and use that to advantage.
I live in CA this shit doesnt apply
I'm wondering if you're circling around a more fundamental point. A huge part of the problem with modern dating is that sex has become a commodity, but relationships shouldn't be treated as commodities. How can we expect to be treated like human beings if we have to think like mercenaries for dating purposes?
Yh but sex is what makes the world go round. Grow up.
For real. I'm so tired of being treated like I'm not a human being. It's about the heart connection, but people are completely ignoring that these days it seems. I'm so tired of always having to strive to be in the top 1% of a pyramid scheme I didn't create, all to impress people who couldn't give less of a shit about me.
@tombe5791, its what makes YOUR world go round.
The vast majority of people’s. You’re in the minority my friend
You don't have to think like a mercenary, you just have to understand that if a gal has true desire for you, she'll be willing to have sex as fast or faster than she's had it with all the men before you. If she doesn't have true desire for you, you can't have a healthy relationship with her anyway.
spitting truth ! it's called opportunity cost - the cost of any interaction is directly proportional to other opportunities they are forsaking in order to sink any time, energy and money into a activity
I like a lot of what you make but this one is simply gross. Every faith tradition taught that men should work to acquire enough wealth for marriage and seek a woman in marriage. Only after marriage should there be sex. It's premarital sex that has sparked the decline of the West as it leads to broken homes, broken communities and broken kids.
$5200 date? What world are you living in? Most guys I know pay complete dowry's about $10-20k total.
The advice is simple. End this godlessness for the sake of your own metal and spiritual well-being.
I agree with you and I think success is getting to his head or he is just going for the views of sexually frustrated men who are only wealthy in their fantasies.
Change the divorce and family courts. When a man is being destroyed in court I never see Christians rear their head to defend and shield the man from the punishment of a worldly court from stripping his assets and his ability to properly be a father to his children. Keep that shit to yourself otherwise.
Precisely why the first date, which is really a first meeting, should be brief and inexpensive.
With 'should' being the operative word.
Seems like a rather callous take on life and relationships imho.
Sure, that might be my social standing talking, but I'd rather be married and living a "normal" life with my run of the mill wife and kids than doing 80 hours at work and dating escorts. The person living that life might not be shallow,, but the life as such is. Damn it must be depressing.
An escort won't take everything you've worked your whole life to build, while a run of the mill wife can. Every opportunity has a cost and everyone has to decide which costs they want to pay.
@@Alexanderraymanyour right, this is just red pill concepts repackaged
Married 20 years and am very happy. If we ever broke up, I'd eventually look for a loving partner again.
Could I save money by not doing that? Sure, but it's worth the cost to have the best.
It's because perspective of the video is centered about the money value of dating. Take money out of the ecuation, and you get the most beautiful women going for the guys they feel most secure with.
Having lived both of those lives and having once thought as you, I can tell you with absolute certainty through absolute experience (not just mine, but virtually all other men I've known) that the life you think you want to live, the white picket fence...was BY FAR the more depressing (and less rewarding) life. It usually takes experience to realize you've been lied to your whole life.
The reason relationships are good for WOMEN and almost never good for MEN is because women can enjoy these relationships with the men they WANT. Relationships are only good when you have OPTIONS, which most women have. Almost no men have GENUINE options, therefore most men must SETTLE for a relationship. When a man has OPTIONS (like the heavy majority of successful men), they get to CHOOSE exactly what they want. And when successful men choose escorts, it's because it's a genuine CHOICE that makes them happier, as opposed to something they have to settle for. If a successful man is in a relationship, it's because he CHOSE the rare woman that's better than an escort.
In countries where prostitution is legal, there's no scarcity of good women who make great wives and mothers. Because legal prostitution keeps the normal woman from having unfair leverage over a man by being his only sexual option. So she doesn't dare weaponize sex or anything else in the relationship. In those countries, men show their true colors quickly because they can get laid no matter who they are, and that allows women to see men for who they are VERY quickly rather than a man having to put up a front to get laid.
This is not how it works. There are beautiful women who are not even on Instagram. There are drop-dead beautiful women that are married to mechanics. Babes that are together with their college sweetheart. If you however talk about chicks with 18-25 plastic surgeries who optimize for "trophy wife", you might have a point. But who REALLY wants a woman like that?!
So, long story short, mega rich men and very attractive women should date each other.
What he's saying here is a key reason why a lot of men check out of dating altogether. I quit dating because I realized the cost to play the game was no longer worth it. What's funny is the way some single middle aged women have treated me over the years. I've had widowed and divorced women, who _knew_ me be snotty to me, because I was around and didn't make the _same_ mistakes they and their ex-partners made. I made _different_ mistakes. Jim Morrison said it: People are strange.
Where do morals and ethics play into this conversation? I've never heard most religions say that its ok to have sex on the 3rd date or less, and a transactional economy seems to leave many people feeling exploited and empty.
You make it sound like dating is a transaction for men to get sex and women to be chosen rather than simply two people trying to see if they are compatible long term
@LiaBSakura That's literally what all marriage has been for all but maybe 300 years of human history. What you described is literally 99.9% of human history. People who fell in love almost never got married until literally shortly before the US was established. Arranged marriage is still the most common form of marriage worldwide....and still by far the most successful with the best family outcomes.
@@tdaye6978 Yeah and also spousal abuse was normal. Terrible thought process...
but it is a transaction lol. men pay for dates and eventually get sex. the other stuff is there but that’s the core of it
Reason this channel is gaining traction is because all you hear is fact and not just opinions.
Honestly the fact he’s getting critical information to men through a UA-cam algo that usually blackballs this info in the algo rather quickly is SUPER IMPRESSIVE and CRITICAL for disabusing men in the modern dating market
@@lilbroomstick7914 yes specifically using men as lottery scam in divorce courts.
Lessons like these should be mandatory in school.
Ha! I love you so much Dr. T! Your ability to break it down is unreal. Also-- I’d like to think you really helped me get the love of my life (who I’m currently with). The one I *will* say is this...while DATING sucks, and is NOT worth it. What I now have (a relationship with an amazing woman, my best friend) is. She is abolutely worth every dime and more. I’m grateful for ever minute with her. And I thank you for helping me get her.
He's talking about the 1% of the 1% who are extremely succesful, even between millionaires are levels of millionaires
His advice isn't relevant to 98% of men watching this video.
People understand the value of time ,money and effort until it applies to them/individuals.
can you elaborate
I don't know what "dating" means for americans, but having sex after 3 dates is crazy. Is the whole purpose of dating just to get laid for people in that continent? Cuz some women/men are actually lookin for a life partner, and they would, indeed, need more time to spend with eachother before jumping straight into bed.
I think his idea of dating is different than a lot of other people in America have. I think it is completely inappropriate to have sex on the third date. I myself never had that happen and I am in a secure relationship. I guess it just depends how serious someone sees the relationship and how much they want that person.
America is chlamydia land. They have poly relationships there..inventors of hookup culture and friends with benefits. Far far from traditional.
I left America to live in Korea for a few years and I was shocked at the couple culture there. People valued relationships and the "courting" phase took 1-3 dates. After that, they were officially a couple. I've never seen so many matching couples outfits, couples socks, or hand holding in my life lol. Even my boyfriend there planned dates and wanted to see each other 5 days a week initially (whew). By the time I moved back to America I was reverse culture-shocked on how transactional dating had become. Americans are being encouraged to scam money or sex out of each other and neither genders trust the other. It made me miss the sweetheart days abroad.
@@LalaLambirthwow tysm for sharing❤ i’m a guy who’s been called handsome but the girls i want won’t go out w me even tho i’d be willing to wait however long before sex
i hate american dating
@@LalaLambirthone girl wouldn’t say me unless i paid her $100😢
Love this series but I recommend you put part two in the title so we know that it's part two of a three-part series bro Good job keep going big fan
Women say they want to be appreciated for their personality and not their body but all social media posts by them are flaunting not their personality
The women you follow gooner
Great video series’s even as a young teen I figured out how expensive girls were. Every hour I spent with a GF was an hour I couldn’t train for football or work on homework. Cexx was all I wanted and I kept a handful of Vjay’s in my orbit for just that.
Dating apps were useless in the 90's and early 2000's, and I'm not a drinker (social or otherwise). I also didn't have my crap together until my mid-30s, so dating prospects were almost non-existent. I didn't even 'succeed' at dating until I gave up and walked away from it. 3 months after I made that decision, I was getting approached by women. My standoffish demeanor worked better than any proactive attempt at meeting someone.
I was 37 when I met my wife through a friend/co-worker. The dates were cordial, but the interest was there. 3 years later, we married.
how could you tell there was interest when you were away from the dating game for that long.
@@JJ-vp3bd - because after the first date, she was pursuing me. It seemed like a pretty obvious tell.
How do I know that the guy doesn't have an STD or some other type of incurable disease if I'm supposed to sleep with him on the first date? Or is that just part of the price I'm supposed to pay as a woman in order to "secure" a man? If I'm bringing my "A" game to the table and I'm putting out on the first date, what assurances do I have that he's telling me the truth about his sexual health? Because if he's sleeping with me on the first date, he's certainly sleeping with other women on the first date as well. Also, let's reverse it. What assurances does the guy have that the woman is "clean" and doesn't have some type of incurable STD if he's going to sleep with someone on the first date? As a woman who's kept herself "clean", the reasoning in this video seems kinda reckless to me for both sexes.
you will lose yourself don’t do it. just watch to become aware of how redpill men think so you can guard yourself with knowledge and discernment.
@@VanessaKiara Thank you for your comment. That's exactly why I watch these videos. Five years ago, I had no idea that some people actually think like this. All the best to you.
Exactly
I think his view is that of someone who is looking for the top tier man.
Since you're on here like me it means you are just average and you should be looking for an average man and an average man will usually be willing to wait a little while and that's the guy you should probably marry instead of sleeping with multiple partners.
I started watching for the same reasons. However, if I'm honest, it's affected my mental health. I'm a divorced 49 year old woman with grown adult children. Apparently with my reproductive youth behind me, men don't see me with any value? That is what these videos led me to believe...
I am fit, attractive, kind and haven't been single for too long. I love sex and haven't found a man to match my libido. I like to cook healthy meals & keep a tidy home. Did I mention that I'm also very open- minded sexually but also loyal?
These videos seem to devalue women of non-child bearing age. It saddens me.
Thanks for this Orion. I laugh with some of my fellow divorcee men about how much money we've lost and how it would have been so much cheaper to hire escorts than get married and try to make the woman happy.
Today the series should be called "Not-so-short talk"
17 mins for GOLD. Stop crying
@@madslasher18 It depends. I agree with most of what he has to say, but not with the ones about dating.
I have always used escorts to avoid the verbal aggression and rejection that comes from attempting to engage with western women. Escorts are better looking. Guaranteed sex, and it is not more expensive than dating.
I would like a conventional girlfriend just once. But it has never happened.
You have trained yourself to have a certain mindset about women. Women can sense it
@@Susan-fg3nv - I do have a certain mindset about women. I would say the women in my past life have trained me.
@@autoclearanceuk7191 only because you allowed them into your life. If I let every man who wants a date or sex into my life I might be crazy too
@@Susan-fg3nv Where is this sense when women get with dead beat losers or men who beat on them? Why don't I ever see people like you calling women out for choosing abusers? You know, since they be sensing and shit.
The natural selection process has decided that you are not fit for reproduction, which is why no woman is genuinely attracted to you. This can be painful and may create the illusion of a 'need for sex,' but it’s not really a need for pleasure. Instead, it’s a survival instinct because we are biologically driven to reproduce and pass on our genes. In your case, you numb this painful reality for a while by paying for consent from a woman who, under normal circumstances, would never choose to be near you. You’re paying to simulate reciprocated attraction, but it’s a facade.
Prostitution is mostly made up of vulnerable women who have no other options, trafficked women forced into the trade against their will, and a few exceptions who do the job, however degrading, for good money. Congratulations, you are undesirable yet have managed to experience sex despite being unworthy of it. Sex is not a right; it is a privilege reserved for the fittest. The harsh truth is that nothing about you is deemed worthy of being passed on to future generations. This is not something to boast about, but I suppose you think it is, because that’s the closest you’ll ever get to real attraction
I have the greatest respect for your economy of words and absence of loquacity. Telling truths not everyone wants to hear but everyone should know
I got lots of work to do to break that $150K year threshold, but i tell you i rather put in time to make money and enjoy my hobbies over dating. This video highlights opportunity costs quite well..
I've tried telling men that 8s and higher aren't on dating apps because they don't need them.
He described a world I do not live in. I did not and will not go out with a man if it costs him $5200 a date, nor would I have sex with a man in the first or second dates. It is a ridiculous assumption that a woman should have sex with a man in the third date, let alone first or second. It is not enough to know whether two persons are compatible in the first few dates.
The women I've had the longest relationships with slept with me on the first date. The same for my friends. Anyone playing hoop jumping games gets the boot
@@TheLinkedList facts. if I get the hint that a woman is trying to play any type of games, im onto the next woman.
@@TheLinkedListwomen, plural. Are you married?
Where did the 5200 come from? Im assuming it is from a calculation but when and where did he calculate it? I havent finished the video but this confused me
He makes the valid point that for a man of value dating indeed takes a lot of money and energy. Maybe not $5200 but trust me, a lot of money and above all, energy. Now multiply the 5 dates you are asking times say 10 women, that's 50 dates. It is also important to factor you are not the only worthy woman in town, there is plenty of them. Sometimes it is a matter of filtering them out, which can start as of date one. My rule is it is okay not to go to bed on the first date, but after it is fair game after that. I can tell you with authority, the value and worth of a woman has nothing to do with getting to bed on a second date.
Everything God created is good but mankind has corrupted it, and that is why there is so much confusion, conflict and heartache. God knows what is best for everyone because it is His creation. Obeying God brings blessings, harmony and fulfillment. 1 Corinthians 7:9, But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion(ESV-English Standard Version). God wants us to have an abundant life, not misery and dread.
There's another thing I wanted to add about escorts. If you're a sufficiently high-value male and play your cards right, the escort will charge you LESS over time.
You can end up saving even MORE money.
Why are you getting these guys hopes up and lying to them. Once a man starts offering less the woman will pull away.
He's talking about escorts. Return business at a reduced rate is better than few and far between and regular rate.
@@cecee3480you do not have to tell the escort that you’re a higher earner, if she charges more than the market rate you simply call one with reasonable price. It’s cheaper than taking a regular woman on endless dates with no guarantee of sex.
@@Strafeyy Return does not mean lower rate. Unless he is tripling the amount of times he’s sees the escort in a week she might consider giving him a reduced amount. He would have to see her more and be a decent customer combined.
@@cecee3480ya he’s likening and simplifying the process to something like when you have a ‘regular bartender’ comping drinks but we all know it’s more complex than that 😊
When I first watched Jordan Peterson I discovered new point of views on women that I have never heard before. Orion, you are the American version of him but on a larger scale. Thanks for all the new insights.
Little confused on this one. If they sleep with a guy to fast,people say “ why buy the cow, if the milk is free” and how do you get to know someone other than sex. On the other hand, if you don’t sleep with them fast enough, then they become an expensive dates. This one is not making sense.