I’d love to test your skills oh great one. Something tells me you’re not down for a 1v1 to prove your point;) And if you show up playing rogue, I’m blocking you
Well, fair, I suppose. Decided to change class to wizard and was raped by pretty much everyone, swapped back to fighter, even with no gear but longsword consistently winning. I have no idea what I was doing wrong.
You are a godsend to the longsword brotherhood! Your content is what got me leaning into the weapon in the first place, and you just keep pumpin out consistent bangers. Appreciate the constant tips. :)
Thanks for showcasing the two-handed weapon acceleration and ways to parry it. I always knew something was off when experienced players used those weapons.
I'm watching it atm, but i don't understand yet how the opponent accelerates their weapon, is it by starting your attack and using your camera to drag it? e: it seems they jump + attack to make it swing faster
@@killerbas40 Two-handed weapons have a 'wind-up' period where their weapon hitbox isn't active. They're quickly moving their camera to swing the weapon past the longsword (or shield) during that period.
@@tfigmoney520 its not just 2 handers, maces for example can drag really well. but 2 handers usually have the most "wind up" period, which... yea can be used to straight up phase through blocks.
A month later & I watched all 44 mins of it. Thx for this in depth guide Oggie, it's real useful. Except the part where you think ppl don't listen to the end of it, that part is plain wrong
@@oggieson we appreciate the effort man. I have never used longsword but you have already convinced me to hop back on the game and learn it. You make it look fun as hell
Amazing video! I will say I have found parrying magic staffs incredibly helpful when zero to hero against bonk wizards or clerics. Equal gear you definitely don’t have to however I believe it’s important to learn every weapon as you’ll never be able to Guarantee winning a dps in a game based so heavily on gear like this.
Wow! What an amazing video! Thank you! I've been getting my ass handed to me in this game. My weapon of choice is the longsword though and whenever I do have a succesfull PVP encounter it is SOO satisfying!
@@oggieson I just suck! Im wondering if its even possible to win pvp with a gear score of 35 in sub 125 lobbies. I lose literally EVERY engagement. Sone are close and others i die trying to catch people with range and I prefer running no range or bows. This game kicks my ass so hard and it just makes me want to get better!
Can you make a video about longsword fighter builds for around 4-6k? That’s usually how much I spend on kits and would love to see recommendations. Great vid!
Hmm. What gear bracket or just like a standard HR 125+ kit? I haven't fooled around much lately but I can prolly throw together something I think would work. I'll try and run some 125+ and HR stuff the next few days and burn some kits and see what feels good lol. Solos?
The repost clang and graphic happens where your opponent sees your weapon connecting with theirs on their screen, not yours. That’s why it happens in weird places off the weapon on your screen. It’s also why you miss the parry despite them going through your weapon on your screen. Iron mace has to code it differently to create a referee system in favor of the parry, where if either player sees a parry then the game should credit the parry. But I don’t think they will ever do that.
yeah blocking is determined on attackers side. That's the dsync issue I speak on throughout the video just I'm not explaining it thoroughly or anything. I think I agree tho that Ironmace won't make a change to this. They put precious little time in looking at weapons and such it seems especially longsword interactions
Great video, you brought more weapons than before, but a little advice for any future videos of that type - record not only your screen, but also your opponent's in those sparring clips. Because the weapon you see isn't the weapon that has hitbox, the sword you see doesn't have hitbox in reality, but your enemy does see the real hitbox and dsync works in favor of attacker, not you. So you should also show your opponent's perspective.
Yeah I've done some two perspective videos in the past, but finding someone that can play the game and record at 120fps like I do isn't exactly easy and then getting their pov is a lot of work lol. I work full time and literally had to stop streaming the last few days to even get this video done lol
Yo oggie. Thanks for the vid. You know what would be real helpful? Setting up some kind of display feature which shows your inputs in real-time. I'm sure you have seen it before.
I fucking love longsword, no other melee weapon allows for outplay potential. You can get good at aiming but for melee, using longsword is the only way.
I know how impact and hilt/grip blocking works. I'm a longsword bro lol. But I'm not sure how that pertains to parrying an attack that literally doesn't have an animation?
My usual is push to 10% action speed, stack health, get as much flat hp/vigor as I can, and run boots with +5 additional movespeed to keep movespeed around 290+ at least. But 290 ms is not enough in the current meta of 315+ movespeed stacking but it's hard to get to that with longsword and have good defense viability in melee sadly
Thank you so much for this! Do you have any advice on building a longsword kit? I've been running PDR but it hasn't felt that effective. I'd like to know if I'm doing something wrong or just need more practice!
I'm gonna do an HR grind this week and some legit solos play and get a feel for the meta. But it's movespeed meta. Everything is movespeed meta. Movespeed meta and survival bow lol. I don't think I'll last a day trying to do an HR grind or playing in solos since this is the least fun meta we've ever had. All that said. For solos I'd try, Crusader helm with action/pdr/hp or vig. Grand brig chest with hp/pdr rolls or templar chest with hp/agi/pdr rolls. Brave hunter pants if you can afford them, loose trousers other wise with hp rolls. Light/heavy gauntlets with hp/vig/pdr rolls depending on which you use. Light foots with at least +5 add ms or laced turnshoes with +5 ms. Peace neck with action speed/pdr. Rings of choice with action speed/pdr. I think the physical power bonus build where you stack action speed, str, physical power/damage bonus/hp might be longswords best build in solos since everything eats pdr alive right now anyways and you should be using a bow which can benefit from the physical power bonus as well.
i think the spear has to be parried where the tip is, so when u are in close, u have to parry 180 degrees behind u at the tip. thats what i see ppl parry the pve spear skellies
So in the moment I slotted that in since I went on to name a buncha random other weapons it worked on so I just showed another weapon in the moment. Think i shoulda just used a morning star parry lol
I have just started playing fighter, after parry how to swing from both side? After I block an attack with longsword is just block but no attacking back.
And are people saying "LONGSWORD IS TOO OP, PARRY IS TOO EASY #%@€" Easy is the fucking daggers, longsword is,probably, the most skill-intensive melee weapon in the game and technically it is the worst two-handed weapon statistically. If you compare it to other two-handed weapons the longsword stats are very bad and the attack animation are very slow especially the first attack, the only thing that save it being the worst weapon is the god parry. PRAISE TO THE LONGSWORD ⚔️
Most people don't even look at the actual stats for weapons like swing wind ups and such so it's not surprising people end up thinking longsword is op when they get slapped by riposte lol
31:30 so... I think I figured out why people do that shit, and why nightshine was sticking his head in the sand to try to dodge ripostes... They see other people doing kind of the same thing, but it looks like they are pressing crouch and sidestepping away... but actually they are only looking at their feet and sidestepping away so you don't lose any speed. Basically by looking down you are essentially ducking, and by sidestepping you don't lose speed. I'll try to show you an example sometime. But basically I figured out you can even dodge alot of pve attacks just by looking down and to the right etc you don't even have to crouch ;)
Can't help but feel that if there was no desync and you were able to use the entire length of the longsword to parry hits and get riposte off it'd be a really overpowered weapon lol
Hmmm maybe it could be. There are a lotta ways around longsword with swing manipulation though and you can still space the ripostes out with good play. But I don't think we'll ever see the day where there is no dsync anyways xD
So if I'm reading the theme right generally you want to move to the left and crouch while aiming the sword in the path of their weapon usually a little left?
Literally the best thing you could have taken away from the video lol. That's the general rule of thumb to hit more parries, literally the best thing you could do
I can tell by the sound there is a sweet spot to parrying but is that what decides if damage passes through or is it just the impact stat?? I Parry bardiche all the time on my lock but so much damage passes through with one swing!
@@StormOberyne so you can only take damage and parry at the same time if the enemy player hits your body prior to hitting your longsword blade. For instance, I can stab you in the head of your blade and drag downward by accident and also trigger your parry. If the attacker hits the blade first with any part of the attack frames of their weapon it cannot deal damage to you. You’re likely taking damage due to dsync in the attackers favor where they’re hitting you and then your longsword blade is dragging into position on their screen during the end of their attack frames
Accelerating is leaning forward/sideways to change the location the attack frames will start. With the bardiche the wind up frames draw the weapon over head. By looking down you can adjust the placement of the bardiche by moving the top of your head forward into a position that the bardiche wouldn't normally be in at the start of the weapons attack frames. So you look down so the weapon hit sooner and so that the weapon will be past the longsword parry when the active hit frames start
It would be nice if the "How to fight and parry guide" would start off with idk... what key is parry, how it works, what weapons can parry. I clicked this video because I don't know how to parry not because I don't know how to parry well.
So this week I'm gonna do some real solos again and see how it feels, but earlier in the wipe I completely stopped wanting to play in geared lobbies since it's the same boring kiting bow shooting bullshit every match at least one fight and it just turns me off the game completely. Watching streams and vids I'm pretty sure I won't last more than an hour making an attempt. Go work all day, come home to try and enjoy my favorite game and it's me chasing a fucking survival bow spamming fighter/ranger/kiting mosquito rogue/unkillable warlock with phantomize and it's like...yeah I'm just gonna go watch netflix and go to bed early at this rate lol. And especially when I stream I'd rather just have high up time running into
Hmm. I think it's not good enough. I couldn't imagine thinking the game would be fair if I had a tenth of a second advantage whenever I started attacking someone or using a skill in league of legends or any shooter I play ya know. Other fighting games don't have dsync to this level so I'm sure Ironmace can dial it in more. Also they've already had it dialed in previously. Back in February there was roughly 15-30ms of dsync consistently across every match I played for nearly 3 weeks prior to their OG crypts end of wipe event.
I think it’s about the same as it used to be. Dps trade and attempt to parry the second attack. It’s hard to parry since the weapon is very easy to manipulate swing start position. Warlocks with BoC and crystal sword will slap the bejeezu outta you tho so beware of that is all I’m likely to try and do a small video on it specifically in the future since I left it out of this video
@@oggiesoni saw the like but not the reply for some reason LOL im 2 weeks late. Im not sure how it used to be since i started when it came out on steam again but i understand what i gotta do now which is mostly dps trade then try and parry attack 2 thank you
Ive played alot of chivalry 2, and those skills do bot transfer to DnD at all. Im wonder if skills from Mordau transfer? If anyone with alot of mordau experience wants to reply to sate my curiosity it would be appreciated.
Vet from ALL the melee slashers. The fundamentals transfer, from there it's just learning the systems quirks. If you don't feel like you're pulling from chiv 2 I'm not sure what exactly you're getting hung up on other than maybe an overfamiliarity with some of the "cheese" that's intrinsic with slashers (chiv 2 in particular)
skinnypete was a big mordhau player and that contributes alot to his playstyle. You can apply drags and accelerates/weapon hitbox manipulation. But the parrying is nothing like it.
@@DimePwnz dragging is about all I've been able to "drag" from chiv. I play barb mainly so fights are usually pretty quick either them killing me or I them so I havent really had much longsword combat
I didn't play either to a level of skill that I can give an opinion. I see a few mordhau players floating that have great success with weapons like the zwei, skinny pete for example, because of the ability to actually drag that weapon.
I was confused too, but I think I got it from his explanations eventually. It means you crouch/look down as you swing with a big weapon like the Bardiche so that the wind-up animation (during which the weapon is not physical yet) happens further down, and once the weapon model actually activates and hits, it is already past the longsword. Hopefully this helps lol
Yeah like Gus said, it's moving your camera to change the start point of the attack frames of the weapon during the attacking animation. For instance, bardiche has a wind up of 1030ms or 1.03s before the weapon will have it's attack frames start. During that 1.03s you can look down to change where the bardiche axe head is positioned to start it inside players so that it cannot be block and you deal damage immediately when the attack frames begin.
I love the LS but it just isn't fair. they don't reward the parry enough. the hitboxes are scuffed af. the movement speed reduction is ridiculous. oggie and sparky need to petition the devs to fix this.
At 32:04 it looks like you might have blocked the hilt at the beginning of the swing animation. This is an older video but it explains it well ua-cam.com/video/RbOCyJ6fQEE/v-deo.htmlsi=X7oygFdUSdyBsghl&t=133
Just so you know. Hilt blocking doesn't actually do anything at this point. Sour spots don't have lower impact ratings. Maybe back then they did, but you can't hilt stuff a felling axe if a barb has crush unless you're using a buckler now and was probably like that back then as well. Tested every weapon over the last few days just to make sure I'm not blindly lying here lol A hilt block will stop and interrupt any attack from a weapon with lower or equal impact power than the impact resist of the blocking item
@@oggieson Sorry I explained that badly. I didn't mean to say that you hilt blocked and interruped the Maul attack, I meant it looks like you caught the parry from the hilt. Impossible to know for sure from this clip. This could have just been desync, or you caught the parry but for some reason the server wasn't showing the Maul's swing animation, we'd need to see Ios POV to be sure. Can you catch a parry from the hilts of weapons?
you keep saying accelerate on attacks but what does that actually mean? really weird you dont explain this before throwing out this term every sentence.
Lol. Accelerating your attack is just adjusting your aim point so the attack swing starts in a different position. For example the zwei attack is a horizontal swing. To accelerate it you would look to the opposite side of the attack so the weapons attack frames start on top of the enemy player rather than starting off the enemy players character model.
It has been very good in the past but Ironmace seems to mess up dsync/hitboxes rather often these days with patches. Just last night the dsync felt better than ever while I was streaming personally
Yeah I think their priorities are a bit mixed. But I don't think they realize the issue is as substantial as it is since there's no one on that dev team touching longsword when playing the game it seems like.
Honestly the whole excel/drag tech for wep swings is literal cancer. One of the reasons why I don’t respect skinny pete. Not to mention the dude using peripherals to make cheese tech like that even easier.
Hmmm. I don't think it's that advantageous the way pete plays but I also don't have that much experience outside DaD with melee type slasher games. I do think they could try a turn cap in this game but idk if that would ever happen. Ironmace has said in the past they're not trying to make a "fighting" game so the combat is kept in a very static/casual mode for that reason
@@oggiesonif they don’t want a fighting game, I don’t know why excels and drags aren’t removed. Turning just shouldn’t effect swing speed. At least not until they fix these fucking hit boxes. Weapons not having hit boxes until a random point in the swing is a joke. That’s why that track pad should be banned. It allows more control than is possible with other devices. I’ve got 3k hours in the game and watching someone excel a felling axe directly through the middle of your shield(even with perfect block) because hit boxes in this game are designed by a single fourth grader, it hurts my soul. And it’s literally never addressed.
if you main fighter youre already a noob at this game
This guy said we're noobs doods
Im a noob (ralph voice)
I’d love to test your skills oh great one. Something tells me you’re not down for a 1v1 to prove your point;)
And if you show up playing rogue, I’m blocking you
Well, fair, I suppose. Decided to change class to wizard and was raped by pretty much everyone, swapped back to fighter, even with no gear but longsword consistently winning. I have no idea what I was doing wrong.
@@strelok64bit23learning curve, you went from a longsword straight to magic. Takes a while to adjust to change
You are a godsend to the longsword brotherhood! Your content is what got me leaning into the weapon in the first place, and you just keep pumpin out consistent bangers. Appreciate the constant tips. :)
Hell yeah. Glad you're a longsword bro with us buddy!
Your editing had gotten GOOD. I'm starting my longsword journey to be able to parry every weapon and this is a Godsend!
Thanks buddy
Thanks for showcasing the two-handed weapon acceleration and ways to parry it. I always knew something was off when experienced players used those weapons.
I'm watching it atm, but i don't understand yet how the opponent accelerates their weapon, is it by starting your attack and using your camera to drag it?
e: it seems they jump + attack to make it swing faster
@@killerbas40 Two-handed weapons have a 'wind-up' period where their weapon hitbox isn't active. They're quickly moving their camera to swing the weapon past the longsword (or shield) during that period.
Is this only for 2 handed weapons?
@@tfigmoney520 its not just 2 handers, maces for example can drag really well. but 2 handers usually have the most "wind up" period, which... yea can be used to straight up phase through blocks.
These videos are the best longsword videos. So much information! Thank you for taking the time to do these!
Hopefully it's helpful!
Yes!! Finally the PvP masterclass! Thanks a lot Oggie!
Gotcha buddy
A month later & I watched all 44 mins of it. Thx for this in depth guide Oggie, it's real useful. Except the part where you think ppl don't listen to the end of it, that part is plain wrong
we were listening at the end, love you oggie ty
THIS is the video I was waiting for.
I will study this lecture tomorrow.
Hope it has good info for ya!
exactly the vid i was looking for, and fresh so it’s updated with the game, love the work keep it up
The amount of time you put into this video... man it came out great!
Yeah this video was pretty draining to do not gonna lie lol. Took like 3 hours just to do the voice over stuff properly >.>
@@oggieson we appreciate the effort man. I have never used longsword but you have already convinced me to hop back on the game and learn it. You make it look fun as hell
Amazing video! I will say I have found parrying magic staffs incredibly helpful when zero to hero against bonk wizards or clerics. Equal gear you definitely don’t have to however I believe it’s important to learn every weapon as you’ll never be able to Guarantee winning a dps in a game based so heavily on gear like this.
That is true. I think I'll end up doing individual more in depth weapon masterclass stuff in the future.
Babe wake up, new Oggie Longsword Lesson just dropped
Lol!
Thank you sir for the great content! I know how rough the game has been lately
We persevering
Wow! What an amazing video! Thank you! I've been getting my ass handed to me in this game. My weapon of choice is the longsword though and whenever I do have a succesfull PVP encounter it is SOO satisfying!
Hopefully the video helped ya
@@oggieson I just suck! Im wondering if its even possible to win pvp with a gear score of 35 in sub 125 lobbies. I lose literally EVERY engagement. Sone are close and others i die trying to catch people with range and I prefer running no range or bows. This game kicks my ass so hard and it just makes me want to get better!
just yesterday i commented on one of yours older video for you to make an update and here it is ! Keep up the good work thank you !
I was gonna reply to that comment but figured I'd leave it as a surprise since I was posting the video today lol
@@oggieson hilarious
Epic work. I main Wiz and Fighter with longsword. Waited for such guide and finally someone made it ❤
Love it. My mains as well. Though I haven't played wizard since my trio group stopped playin
Can you make a video about longsword fighter builds for around 4-6k? That’s usually how much I spend on kits and would love to see recommendations. Great vid!
Hmm. What gear bracket or just like a standard HR 125+ kit? I haven't fooled around much lately but I can prolly throw together something I think would work.
I'll try and run some 125+ and HR stuff the next few days and burn some kits and see what feels good lol. Solos?
The repost clang and graphic happens where your opponent sees your weapon connecting with theirs on their screen, not yours. That’s why it happens in weird places off the weapon on your screen. It’s also why you miss the parry despite them going through your weapon on your screen. Iron mace has to code it differently to create a referee system in favor of the parry, where if either player sees a parry then the game should credit the parry. But I don’t think they will ever do that.
yeah blocking is determined on attackers side. That's the dsync issue I speak on throughout the video just I'm not explaining it thoroughly or anything. I think I agree tho that Ironmace won't make a change to this. They put precious little time in looking at weapons and such it seems especially longsword interactions
I believe the third attack from spear is super consistent if you treat it like the first attack from bardiche
Perfect timing on the video as I was searching for one yesterday
Hopefully it's helpful buddy!
Sure was, all I gotta do now is get good enough to get those seasonal rewards
Good stuff! I have a lot of longsword experience, but knowing Oggie there will be a lot of useful information here.
another great one thanks as always oggie!
Appreciate you buddy
ty my glorious king
I gotchu buddy
Clicked so fast omg been waiting for this
Hope it's useful to ya buddy
The glhf earned you a sub. Great video thank you sir.
Great video as always!
Great video, you brought more weapons than before, but a little advice for any future videos of that type - record not only your screen, but also your opponent's in those sparring clips. Because the weapon you see isn't the weapon that has hitbox, the sword you see doesn't have hitbox in reality, but your enemy does see the real hitbox and dsync works in favor of attacker, not you. So you should also show your opponent's perspective.
Yeah I've done some two perspective videos in the past, but finding someone that can play the game and record at 120fps like I do isn't exactly easy and then getting their pov is a lot of work lol. I work full time and literally had to stop streaming the last few days to even get this video done lol
this video is THE LONGSWORD VIDEO u have to check
Hope it's useful buddy!
Yo oggie.
Thanks for the vid.
You know what would be real helpful? Setting up some kind of display feature which shows your inputs in real-time. I'm sure you have seen it before.
Hmm. Sure I'll look into it.
@@oggieson dangerously based.
I fucking love longsword, no other melee weapon allows for outplay potential. You can get good at aiming but for melee, using longsword is the only way.
@32:05 it is called hilt/grip blocking, Ryan6DaysAWeek made a video on it "Impact Power, How it Really Works"
I know how impact and hilt/grip blocking works. I'm a longsword bro lol. But I'm not sure how that pertains to parrying an attack that literally doesn't have an animation?
What's your recommended stats I should stack (Modifiers and Static) and perks?
My usual is push to 10% action speed, stack health, get as much flat hp/vigor as I can, and run boots with +5 additional movespeed to keep movespeed around 290+ at least. But 290 ms is not enough in the current meta of 315+ movespeed stacking but it's hard to get to that with longsword and have good defense viability in melee sadly
Thank you so much for this! Do you have any advice on building a longsword kit? I've been running PDR but it hasn't felt that effective. I'd like to know if I'm doing something wrong or just need more practice!
I'm gonna do an HR grind this week and some legit solos play and get a feel for the meta. But it's movespeed meta. Everything is movespeed meta. Movespeed meta and survival bow lol. I don't think I'll last a day trying to do an HR grind or playing in solos since this is the least fun meta we've ever had.
All that said. For solos I'd try, Crusader helm with action/pdr/hp or vig. Grand brig chest with hp/pdr rolls or templar chest with hp/agi/pdr rolls. Brave hunter pants if you can afford them, loose trousers other wise with hp rolls. Light/heavy gauntlets with hp/vig/pdr rolls depending on which you use. Light foots with at least +5 add ms or laced turnshoes with +5 ms. Peace neck with action speed/pdr. Rings of choice with action speed/pdr. I think the physical power bonus build where you stack action speed, str, physical power/damage bonus/hp might be longswords best build in solos since everything eats pdr alive right now anyways and you should be using a bow which can benefit from the physical power bonus as well.
thank you oggie!
You're welcome!
maybe you got the bottom of the handle on the war maul parry it was just a smidge early on your end?
i think the spear has to be parried where the tip is, so when u are in close, u have to parry 180 degrees behind u at the tip. thats what i see ppl parry the pve spear skellies
8:50 that's a flanged mace not a morningstar lol. But I suppose it still fits.
So in the moment I slotted that in since I went on to name a buncha random other weapons it worked on so I just showed another weapon in the moment. Think i shoulda just used a morning star parry lol
I have just started playing fighter, after parry how to swing from both side? After I block an attack with longsword is just block but no attacking back.
Make sure you right clicking again after a parry to initiate the riposte attacks
@@oggieson it worked now thank you so much!
And are people saying "LONGSWORD IS TOO OP, PARRY IS TOO EASY #%@€"
Easy is the fucking daggers, longsword is,probably, the most skill-intensive melee weapon in the game and technically it is the worst two-handed weapon statistically.
If you compare it to other two-handed weapons the longsword stats are very bad and the attack animation are very slow especially the first attack, the only thing that save it being the worst weapon is the god parry.
PRAISE TO THE LONGSWORD ⚔️
Most people don't even look at the actual stats for weapons like swing wind ups and such so it's not surprising people end up thinking longsword is op when they get slapped by riposte lol
Yeah a dagger player who's decent totally can roll a long sword player
I'm still listening Oggie. I'm still listening...
I appreciate you buddy.
31:30 so... I think I figured out why people do that shit, and why nightshine was sticking his head in the sand to try to dodge ripostes... They see other people doing kind of the same thing, but it looks like they are pressing crouch and sidestepping away... but actually they are only looking at their feet and sidestepping away so you don't lose any speed. Basically by looking down you are essentially ducking, and by sidestepping you don't lose speed. I'll try to show you an example sometime. But basically I figured out you can even dodge alot of pve attacks just by looking down and to the right etc you don't even have to crouch ;)
Can't help but feel that if there was no desync and you were able to use the entire length of the longsword to parry hits and get riposte off it'd be a really overpowered weapon lol
Hmmm maybe it could be. There are a lotta ways around longsword with swing manipulation though and you can still space the ripostes out with good play. But I don't think we'll ever see the day where there is no dsync anyways xD
So if I'm reading the theme right generally you want to move to the left and crouch while aiming the sword in the path of their weapon usually a little left?
Literally the best thing you could have taken away from the video lol. That's the general rule of thumb to hit more parries, literally the best thing you could do
I hope they could bring more parry able weapons, and fix desync with parrying
@@mythcrafts that would be cool
Thanks a lot! I`ll do my best, master
I believe in you
I can tell by the sound there is a sweet spot to parrying but is that what decides if damage passes through or is it just the impact stat?? I Parry bardiche all the time on my lock but so much damage passes through with one swing!
@@StormOberyne so you can only take damage and parry at the same time if the enemy player hits your body prior to hitting your longsword blade. For instance, I can stab you in the head of your blade and drag downward by accident and also trigger your parry. If the attacker hits the blade first with any part of the attack frames of their weapon it cannot deal damage to you.
You’re likely taking damage due to dsync in the attackers favor where they’re hitting you and then your longsword blade is dragging into position on their screen during the end of their attack frames
its longsword updated masterclass time my doods
Masterclass update time doods
Great Video
what do you mean by accelerating their attack? you say it in the bardiche segment
Accelerating is leaning forward/sideways to change the location the attack frames will start. With the bardiche the wind up frames draw the weapon over head. By looking down you can adjust the placement of the bardiche by moving the top of your head forward into a position that the bardiche wouldn't normally be in at the start of the weapons attack frames.
So you look down so the weapon hit sooner and so that the weapon will be past the longsword parry when the active hit frames start
11:40 couldn't have taught us how to block morning stars BEFORE we went and fought pulv in our sith lord outfits eh? xD
Lol! We still styled on the boys back then
It would be nice if the "How to fight and parry guide" would start off with idk... what key is parry, how it works, what weapons can parry. I clicked this video because I don't know how to parry not because I don't know how to parry well.
You tap your block button up to 2 times after you get a successful block. Only flute and long sword can parry as far as I know
Dude you're crazy good with the longsword. But why do you seem to only play in low gear score lobbies? Is longsword not good in high gear scores?
So this week I'm gonna do some real solos again and see how it feels, but earlier in the wipe I completely stopped wanting to play in geared lobbies since it's the same boring kiting bow shooting bullshit every match at least one fight and it just turns me off the game completely. Watching streams and vids I'm pretty sure I won't last more than an hour making an attempt.
Go work all day, come home to try and enjoy my favorite game and it's me chasing a fucking survival bow spamming fighter/ranger/kiting mosquito rogue/unkillable warlock with phantomize and it's like...yeah I'm just gonna go watch netflix and go to bed early at this rate lol. And especially when I stream I'd rather just have high up time running into
@@oggieson Yeah that's very understandable
70ms to 100ms of desync lag seems pretty reasonable to me. Your ping + opponents ping is going to average that.
Hmm. I think it's not good enough. I couldn't imagine thinking the game would be fair if I had a tenth of a second advantage whenever I started attacking someone or using a skill in league of legends or any shooter I play ya know. Other fighting games don't have dsync to this level so I'm sure Ironmace can dial it in more.
Also they've already had it dialed in previously. Back in February there was roughly 15-30ms of dsync consistently across every match I played for nearly 3 weeks prior to their OG crypts end of wipe event.
I was listening oggie :)
You and stosh prolly the only 2 lol
@@oggieson o7
谢谢！
You’re welcome! And thank you as well!
what about fighting against crystal sword fighters?
do you just trade dps?
I think it’s about the same as it used to be. Dps trade and attempt to parry the second attack. It’s hard to parry since the weapon is very easy to manipulate swing start position. Warlocks with BoC and crystal sword will slap the bejeezu outta you tho so beware of that is all
I’m likely to try and do a small video on it specifically in the future since I left it out of this video
@@oggiesoni saw the like but not the reply for some reason LOL im 2 weeks late. Im not sure how it used to be since i started when it came out on steam again but i understand what i gotta do now which is mostly dps trade then try and parry attack 2 thank you
can we get a zweihander masterclass? >.>
A masterclass on how to use zwei? Go watch skinny_pete. A masterclass on fighting it more in depth? Possibly in the future lol
I practice reposte from a reposte with a pal of mine, it is interesting.
Ive played alot of chivalry 2, and those skills do bot transfer to DnD at all. Im wonder if skills from Mordau transfer? If anyone with alot of mordau experience wants to reply to sate my curiosity it would be appreciated.
Vet from ALL the melee slashers. The fundamentals transfer, from there it's just learning the systems quirks. If you don't feel like you're pulling from chiv 2 I'm not sure what exactly you're getting hung up on other than maybe an overfamiliarity with some of the "cheese" that's intrinsic with slashers (chiv 2 in particular)
skinnypete was a big mordhau player and that contributes alot to his playstyle. You can apply drags and accelerates/weapon hitbox manipulation. But the parrying is nothing like it.
@@DimePwnz dragging is about all I've been able to "drag" from chiv. I play barb mainly so fights are usually pretty quick either them killing me or I them so I havent really had much longsword combat
I didn't play either to a level of skill that I can give an opinion. I see a few mordhau players floating that have great success with weapons like the zwei, skinny pete for example, because of the ability to actually drag that weapon.
@@oggieson exactly. If you were a dragging fiend on mordhau or chiv then the zwei, sledge, and halberd are your weapons of choice
what does accelarate attack mean?
at the bardiche he says, that players can accelerate attacks
I was confused too, but I think I got it from his explanations eventually. It means you crouch/look down as you swing with a big weapon like the Bardiche so that the wind-up animation (during which the weapon is not physical yet) happens further down, and once the weapon model actually activates and hits, it is already past the longsword. Hopefully this helps lol
Yeah like Gus said, it's moving your camera to change the start point of the attack frames of the weapon during the attacking animation.
For instance, bardiche has a wind up of 1030ms or 1.03s before the weapon will have it's attack frames start. During that 1.03s you can look down to change where the bardiche axe head is positioned to start it inside players so that it cannot be block and you deal damage immediately when the attack frames begin.
How did i miss the oggie fights???
They were pretty spontaneous lol
can u parry a light orb?
I do not remember if you can parry light orb lol. I will test tonight and get back to ya
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When you gonna teach me how to parry my inner demons though?! 😭
Is the blue lizard in the room right now?
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I love the LS but it just isn't fair. they don't reward the parry enough. the hitboxes are scuffed af. the movement speed reduction is ridiculous. oggie and sparky need to petition the devs to fix this.
At 32:04 it looks like you might have blocked the hilt at the beginning of the swing animation. This is an older video but it explains it well ua-cam.com/video/RbOCyJ6fQEE/v-deo.htmlsi=X7oygFdUSdyBsghl&t=133
Just so you know. Hilt blocking doesn't actually do anything at this point. Sour spots don't have lower impact ratings. Maybe back then they did, but you can't hilt stuff a felling axe if a barb has crush unless you're using a buckler now and was probably like that back then as well. Tested every weapon over the last few days just to make sure I'm not blindly lying here lol
A hilt block will stop and interrupt any attack from a weapon with lower or equal impact power than the impact resist of the blocking item
@@oggieson Sorry I explained that badly. I didn't mean to say that you hilt blocked and interruped the Maul attack, I meant it looks like you caught the parry from the hilt.
Impossible to know for sure from this clip. This could have just been desync, or you caught the parry but for some reason the server wasn't showing the Maul's swing animation, we'd need to see Ios POV to be sure.
Can you catch a parry from the hilts of weapons?
I thought 19:15 was a rewind
Lol he did kinda pop back forward didn't he
Ayo whats he doing with that dead harpy @15:30 😂😂
I was listening at the end 😢
You and about 4 others I bet stosh lol. Thanks for watching dude
"Dont be a parry gremlin, be aggressive" - Get absolutely grill by warlock spammer
This will happen occasionally xD. But don't forget. 9/10 warlocks suck ass and will miss their CoP if you even deviate slightly left or right lol
They wanna add competitive arena with that desync, what a joke IM.
Lol it's a bit rough for sure
parry this you casual *arcane missiles*
calm down im kidding, great video
On a real note, don't forget that you can do that and one shot wizards with it lol
Doesn't seem very realistic to have to crouch and look at the ceiling for every parry. They should change this
Can't disagree man lol
you keep saying accelerate on attacks but what does that actually mean? really weird you dont explain this before throwing out this term every sentence.
Lol. Accelerating your attack is just adjusting your aim point so the attack swing starts in a different position. For example the zwei attack is a horizontal swing. To accelerate it you would look to the opposite side of the attack so the weapons attack frames start on top of the enemy player rather than starting off the enemy players character model.
There's barely any desync in this game check your internet
Yeah that's just blatantly wrong lol
if i could play with 60 fps consistently then maybe i could fight lol
seems like there isn't a point in learning a weapon which is broken
It has been very good in the past but Ironmace seems to mess up dsync/hitboxes rather often these days with patches. Just last night the dsync felt better than ever while I was streaming personally
@oggieson ironmace is doing useless patches instead of fixing fondamental core game isssues
Yeah I think their priorities are a bit mixed. But I don't think they realize the issue is as substantial as it is since there's no one on that dev team touching longsword when playing the game it seems like.
Honestly the whole excel/drag tech for wep swings is literal cancer. One of the reasons why I don’t respect skinny pete. Not to mention the dude using peripherals to make cheese tech like that even easier.
Hmmm. I don't think it's that advantageous the way pete plays but I also don't have that much experience outside DaD with melee type slasher games. I do think they could try a turn cap in this game but idk if that would ever happen. Ironmace has said in the past they're not trying to make a "fighting" game so the combat is kept in a very static/casual mode for that reason
@@oggiesonif they don’t want a fighting game, I don’t know why excels and drags aren’t removed. Turning just shouldn’t effect swing speed. At least not until they fix these fucking hit boxes. Weapons not having hit boxes until a random point in the swing is a joke. That’s why that track pad should be banned. It allows more control than is possible with other devices. I’ve got 3k hours in the game and watching someone excel a felling axe directly through the middle of your shield(even with perfect block) because hit boxes in this game are designed by a single fourth grader, it hurts my soul. And it’s literally never addressed.
I main the longsword, not a class
Can confirm
Hehe no crystal sword 😂
Crystal sword actually hard to parry prior to animation updates, but I think the change will make it easier. We'll have to see in the near future lol
longsword is so unbalanced unreal, basekit warlock just 1hitting
Yeah not many people out there gonna an agree with that lol. Longsword is very mid tier in the game right now
maybe you got the bottom of the handle on the war maul parry it was just a smidge early on your end?