Maul was a bit like Anakin, he was extremely powerful but his arrogance got the better of him at times which resulted in his downfall. Ironically Obi-Wan was the one who would stop both Maul and Anakin from reaching their full potential.
@@glooppszr9991 he also has a bad habit of being around when people are set on fire.. we all saw him do it to anakin, but uncle owen and aunt beru were killed by "stormtroopers" MHMM 😂
He is literally the fruit of all of Darth Bane's sith lineage over 1000 years of evolution, study, knowledge and power. The fact that it has to be OP is realistic and justified
@@andreademarchi7495've noticed Maul overpowerd Ahsoka and Obi Wan in there fights alot he holds back alot..and likes to toy or torture weaker opponents instead of killing them..because that's not fun to him..Fans who don't see this just say oh he must be weak then ...noo he was a op dark user that bullied his food...that's how I see it lol.Palpatine didn't send Dooku to defeat and capture Maul for a reason..it takes SS class fighters like himself to actually beat him in a real force and Saber duel purely on skill.. Unlike his fight with Ahsoka and Obi Wan those two had to use there environment to win at times without there battle iq in the right place they are finish and if Maul was not cocky they would be finished 99 percent of the time.There is also a deleted scene with Maul force griping and slaming Palps to a wall...so that just tells me how powerful Faloni and Lucas thought he was at that time lol.
It wasn't just the loss of the force but his martial skill is what really hurt. Before he lost his lower half he was amazing in physical strength and skill
This is why is wish Lucas hadn’t written him to be cut in half. Seriously wounded? YES, so that he would return again and again. I really disliked what Filoni did by killing him off. I wasn’t a fan of the animations because it just didn’t look or feel right. Filoni chewed up a lot of Maul’s ‘screen time’ that the comic books handled better. The biggest tragedy was Disney buying the franchise and shafting Lucas, the fans...and Ray Park as Maul! This video, itself, serves as a far note exciting story line then what Filoni gave us.
He was highly acrobatic and far more aggressive when he had his legs, of course he never lost his aggression but I think he lost some of his speed and definitely acrobatics.
@@Posttrip Lucas didn't write the prequels knowing somebody was going to retcon events years after the fact. For all intents and purposes, TCW actually destroyed the hype Obi-Wan got from defeating Maul in TPM. Maul was supposed to die in the movie and never be seen or heard from again.
A few things here: Sidious kidnapped child Maul as soon as he discovered his potential in the force (being greater even than that of Mother Talzin, as it is said in the video), and decided to abandon Dathomir immediately having even more promising student. Later he said that the loss of Maul was a truly great one for him, compared to Dooku, who was just a tool (even though Dooku was very powerful himself). Even during the Clone Wars, after Sidious became aware of Maul's return, he called him a RIVAL, and did in fact choose to handle the matter personally, which proves in how high regard he held his former apprentice. At the end I believe it truly was Maul's arrogance and overconfidence, not a lack of the skills that prevented him from achieving even more than he already did.
His overconfidence and taunting obi one is what got him chopped in half in that fight, his fear is what cost him his brother in the fight with sidious. I always liked maul because he was a great warrior, but in clone wars and rebels i saw just how truly brilliant he actually was, in terms of intellect and manipulation but also strategic planning like sidious
The real loss for Palpatine, though he didn't know it. Maul might have been able to utilize Sith Sorcery. An art Plagueis said required an innate aptitude. Which Nightbrothers have.
@@danielheiger8967In Canon not Legends Maul had higher potential then Dooku which is why Mauls defeat on Naboo was considered a loss because Sids planned for Maul prior to the defeat alive or dead to one day be his successor while Dooku was working with Sidious even before Maul got beat up badly he was not a apprentice until Mauls big failure and then since Anakin was in the picture shortly after and Dooku being too old anyways older then Sidious and lacking a long lifespan was going to be replaced possibly with Anakin in thirteen years anyways yeah.
Bro imagine if maul could have learned night sister magic. He could possibly straight up learn how to force teleport like Merrin does in Jedi survivor.
Whats even more amazing about Mauls physical prowess is that in the book Maul Lockdown, he was able to kill a Uzang Vhong warrior (Hope I spelled that right) a Weequay while underwater and a Wampa that was given several enhancement drugs that increased it endurance and pain threshold. All of this is without him using any force abilities or a lightsaber.
My favorite Star Wars character. Even though his end wasn't glorious, I see his death as a cautionary tale of how the quest for revenge and use of the Dark Side will eventually lead to one's own destruction. I'm glad he got further elaboration in Clone Wars and Rebels, and hope we see some adaptations of pre-TPM events featuring him.
Already read it, Shadow Hunter, Darth Plagueis, and the Phantom Menace novelization, as well as every comic I could find with him. Working on his 2017 comic right now.
Mauls power progress mirrors Vader. Both lost most of their potential but they still surpassed the level they were at before their injuries due to the darkside being strengthened from their pain. And yes it's confirmed dozens of times that they surpassed Ep1 Maul and EP3 Vader respectively
Maul had amazing strength and skill. He had great intelligence too. We see this when he deal with mafia clans. He even says to Savage on Dathomir,he was apprentice to the most powerful being in the galaxy once,he was destined to become so much more. But the robbed of that destiny by Obi-Wan. Hence the revenge and plotting. I think he could be great Sith Master and general. May the Force be with you too. Have a great day too.
@@giovanniciccone1323 Did I stutter yes Sidious, he was already stronger than Kenobi, Kenobi wasn't very gifted in the force, so he had to train a lot.
He definitely could’ve rivalled Sidious for sure. Not sure Maul would ever be quite as powerful in the force as Sidious but his physical strength and athleticism as well as his ability to tap into dathomirian magic would’ve even a lot of the odds. Maul probably could’ve killed Sidious off as his body started to get older and weaker.
Had the look, the story, the traits, EVERYTHING. Even had his weakness which is important for a great character. I don't think George realized what he could have done with him on the big screen when he killed him off (first time).
What? George Lucas didn’t know what he was doing because someone else (Filoni) revived his character a decade later for a kids show? Failing to follow the logic here
I agree, but George couldn’t have known that Maul would become an infamous Sith villain years after TPM and through other media like books and comics so I forgive him. I think it would be incredibly difficult to please all the fans out there and George laid out the groundwork for some very epic stories.
@@Lawrence_Talbot There is no "logic" to be followed here, simply my view on Maul as a whole. George himself has said that he regrets killing Maul in TPM because of what he could have done with him. So much so he was planning on reviving him for his sequel trilogy. And that Filoni crap is out the window since years before he was originally going to revive him as Grievous in Ep. 3. Filoni simply did what he already wanted to do before. Why is everything an argument with SW fans? You don't agree just read and move on dude.
If he could’ve became the same level of power as mother talzin, someone even sidious feared of, he could’ve became more powerful than suit Vader which is crazy
actually suit vader was quite weak because of the suit. the emperor feared vaders power so had the suit designed to hold vader back. yes it kept him alive but it also didn't help him be powerful.
@@trevorbanbury6894suit vader was not weak at all... The suit was designed to be slow and painful but that pain made vader stronger in the dark side. There is a reason why it had to be luke to fight vader in yodas and obi wans eyes.
Maul broke obi Wan's force wall multiple times and a canon unfinished scene where the brothers fought Sidious showed Maul breaking Sidious's force wall with one hand and pinning him to a wall.
You`d think Maul had everything to eventually get up there with the likes of Sidious -superior physicality, extreme force potential, a natual with the lightsaber styles and likely great aptitude for sorcery. I wonder if his mind would hold him back even without the trauma from getting cut in half though.
Vader going from potentially doubling the Emperors force potential to be capped off at a mere 80% of his potential is definitely damning. I know soon as Vader was placed in the suit and noticed how difficult it was for him to connect to the force was depressing when he had the purest connection prior to his fall at Mustafar. I see why he mentally was never the same after losing Padme, his best friend Obi-Wan, and all of his remaining limbs within minutes. And then to find out you are doomed to remain a slave when you once had the power to destroy the Emperor and shape the galaxy to your will but now have to be a slave to him as well with no sight of hope to overcome it. I know his selfishness and lust for that power is what eventually aided his demise but the way the story is told is incredible. Imagine all he lost and there's nothing he can do to change anything because he failed.
This was one of your best videos! The idea of a fully trained Maul with the infusion of Night Sisters magic + force powers is an incredible concept. VERY VERY EXCITING! I would love to have this explored as a fan film or otherwise
A very underrated character! Love this presentation host! Fun Fact : Before the shooting of fight took place on Naboo, the actor of Darth Maul - Ray Park - noticed he still had his earring and suggested to George Lucas he remove it. George Lucas however, loved it and told him to keep it there! Watch the fight again, and you can clearly see it! I also think it looked awesome!
There's a reason Maul is such a major character in Star Wars. Had he not been cut in half, he would have been one of the most powerful major characters in Star Wars.
This video will help me with my dnd star wars game I'm working on. To give my full potential Darth Maul a true threat to my players. Darth Maul is one of my favorite sith, and to see what a full powered Maul could be. Thank you for all your work. I enjoy many of your videos keep it up
Savage's lack of intelligence and ability to control his aggression made him consistently sloppy and unreliable. Maul's inability to recognize that flaw is what ultimately got Savage killed. He had to learn from experience why Sith were super choosy in picking apprentices instead of just picking the first random person they crossed paths with.
Maul had sheer potential to be a true sith lord even stronger than dooku. The fact he wasnt even taught force abilities due to the fear from Sidious is insane. For someone who can use force lightning like a nuke... feared him on any levels of force abilities. He solely trained him for physical feats for that reason.
I don't think he would be stronger than Dooku, Dooku is a way better Duelist and can use more Force Abilities, but yeah Maul's potential is incredible.
@@marceloaugusto9787 even in the force the potential for dooku was already max. Its a reason dooku was second choice as an apprentice vs maul being the first. His bloodline alone made his abilities naturally in the force quite impressive. being sidious taught him no force abilities lol. To make a comparison in what he could have possibly been if trained unselfishly as a true sith lord and not sith assassin bodyguard. Darth Bane easily. from the lightsaber style to his force potential. dooku was his only apprentice with real force knowledge and abilities for that reason. He didnt fear dooku in the force but was concerned for Maul. For sidious to be concerned..... is quite telling of who was supposed t be the real sith lord amongst dooku and maul. While the lightsaber duel is debatable because we have no real way to compare outside of the fact he could beat Qui-Gon meaning he had potential to beat the man who taught him everything...aka dooku. The style Maul used was dedicted to defeated jedi who used the same style as Qui-gon and Dooku. its why dooku was 2nd string apprentice vs first as maul was. He had youth, ability, and potential. Nobody could judge that better than Sidious in all of star wars history. So i will happily say maul would have been much greater than dooku by a good margin alone because sidious only turned to dooku after maul's defeat. Otherwise he wouldve been another bitter jedi council master andgry with the times. Dooku knew this well, its why he didnt bat an eye when Skywalker replaced him. Dooku is a beast dont get me wrong, but in terms of possibilities he was at his end right at the beginning of him going to the darkside. But for Maul and Skywalker.... the sky was the limit. Dooku was just born to late i guess idk lol but he knew he was the side piece for Sidious not the main.
@@Rome__king Dooku wasn't a second choice, even Sidious was afraid of Dooku being a rival to him, while Maul and Savage Opress losed for Obi Wan, Dooku winned Obi Wan and Anakin in TCW serie
@@marceloaugusto9787 you dont read the novels huh.... if you think sidious ever feared dooku...the man he could force choke when ever he wanted.... across the galaxy... thats cute. the duel between a handicap leglesss maul who still doesnt know true force abilities.... and his 2 week trained brother ...which should tell you if his brother got that good... hmmmm that is scary even dooku was on his back foot against opress until he used force lightning. so hmmmm 1+1 if maul knew the same amount as obi in the force.... would obi beat maul??? heck no lmaoooooooo
I was reasonably certain that midichlorian density rather than overall count was responsible for power in the force. How else can one explain Yoda, a tiny being being more powerful in the force than others who tower over him, double his height?
I'm fairly certain the midichlorian "count" is a measure of midichlorian density. The same way white blood cell count is the density. That being said, a count of 1500/ml with only half the amount of blood is still less than 900/ml with twice the amount of blood. 😊
Think you hit the nail on the head with your explanation of the midichlorians. Vader still had his 20,000+ midis per cell, but the loss of his limbs just made it that much more difficult for him to reach his max potential. He theoretically still COULD have, but he never had the chance or mindset to seriously work on doing it.
I think this really just shows how impressive George Lucas is, because if he created Darth Maul as a character that was meant to be killed off and cast aside, a character not meant to be too important, and yet that character became far more iconic and awesome than George realized, then that just shows how quality his Star Wars really is. Darth Vader was meant to be the most important character, and he became an absolute icon, he’s one of the greatest and coolest villains of all scifi. It’s like everything George made ended up being greater than it was meant to be. Similar thing with Boba Fett too.
I feel you understated it just a little bit. if, and only if, he learned the sorceries of his mother, he would become a sigh warlock yes, but he’d also be far more in tune with the force itself, using its power and beginning to understand its true strength, he would surpass his own lightsaber limits and become on par with Anakin with the death stick, not only that, he would be as powerful, if not more than palpatine in the force
Because 1. Maul thanks to Dathomirian Magics Maul got his head, anatomy, soul, and potential back plus a power boost a good deal more powerful then his TPM self and was still growing. 2. Had the aid of Savage another ultra high potentialed individual possibly either near Maul, at Maul, or slightly above Maul level. 3. Had Talzin backing him. 4. Got the entire planet of Mandolorians or most of them under his command. Yeah.
I love this video. You always do so well! The reasoning is solid and it would be so cool to have seen some of this come to fruition. Mal is a great character and I always appreciate seeing more of him.
I already knew Maul was really power as a Sith Assassin. The most athletic thing almost ever past like Olympic level. Really powerful in the force and skilled with the Dual blade, ferocious yet precise. He was disciplined and tenacious yet he was sometimes prideful and careless because of that fixated on vengeance.
It’s crazy, but most people grossly underestimate Darth Maul It’s funny because Darth Maul’s greatest force feat in canon scales above Darth Tyranus’s He destroyed the hyper drive of the venator in S7 of The Clone Wars. Another thing that I think is absolutely hilarious Is that most people think that because Dooku can use the force to do all different kinds of tricks that means that he’s automatically better than or has a higher force connection or aptitude than someone like Darth Maul or Anakin Skywalker because they use the force to augment their physical abilities, rather than to diversify their force skill set Hilarious. I guarantee you that, if Dooku used the force to augment his physical abilities next to Anakin and Darth Maul, and they had a bench pressing contest, Dooku would loose handily. I personally believe that Darth Maul’s, and Anakin Skywalker’s force level,connection, and or aptitude are higher than Dooku’s That’s just my opinion though
I like maul to but Dooku is on another level then Maul. Dooku is stronger in the force, better with the lightsaber and is far more level headed, Maul his biggest weakness is his emotions and this is easily exploited by dooku. Also a bench press competition? Lol
True but fighting non force wielders which Maul was in that feat vs fighting actual force wielders are two different things not saying Maul cannot do that just saying Dooku has a better track record of beating, tying with, or being near equals with more powerful force users such as Anakin, Yoda, And Mace yeah.
With Darth Maul’s full potential in Dark Magic and the Force he would be matching Anakin’s potential even surpassing it and he could be the new son of mortis as well as already being the son of Dathomir
This overstates potential, Obi Wan wasn't so much contending with Anakin, Anakin was in an unstable place and Obi Wan was frankly pushing far past his potential as a resolute conduit of the lightside. Even then it was everything++ to reach the point of being pushed back but able to defend himself from direct harm, conserving energy until Anakin makes a mistake.
I mean Maul was kicking some serious ass in the Clone Wars despite being 10 years out of practice. So if Maul was not cut in half and spent that time as a raving lunatic it’s likely he’d be significantly stronger and more skilled.
This really makes me think what if Palpatine made mother Talzin his apprentice and demonstrated to him how night sister magic works? Dathomir would become a devastating force with magically enhanced night brothers to act as a counter to the Jedi, using probably sith warrior tactics but not the face of the rule of 2, rather their own shadow army that grows during the clone wars, until finally order 66 is commenced, where they begin to act, hunting Jedi the clones couldn’t find. This force then acts as the inquisitors, with mother Talzin keeping Dathomir and Palpatine to run the empire. Should the day come when Talzin decides to strike down sidious and take his place, she could begin to utilize all sith knowledge with her magic, which honestly is more terrifying than the Deathstar altogether.
I'm a simple man, I see a video of Darth Maul, I click, I watch, I comment. Yeah, Maul was really dealt a dirty hand to the point I think even force saw his potential and decided to do something about it.
If he learned as much as he could from Sidious and dodged being disposed of, a Sith Lord with Night Sister Magic is pretty OP. Wouldn't have to use his lightsaber anymore really at that point
For him to hold all that metal scrap together when he was on the junk island w just force should tell you how strong he is w the force. He alone is an amazing character
Zabuza is the Darth Maul of Naruto. A super powerful and very under used villain with a cool and mysterious appeal. Also both are fan favorites in their respective franchises.
@@rashad82094 well yea. Star wars is generally more popular so yea. I’m not saying they have an equal number of fans. Just comparing the things i specifically mention. They even both used iconic weapons.
Maul was practically like Mara Jade before Palpatine became emperor (except him a full potential Sith). While Mara was the 'Emperor's Hand' Maul was like the 'Senator's Hand'. Plus, he was feared in the galaxy even after his death (whatever that could have been in Legends). A clone of him was created with Sith magic to fight Darth Vader. Even his own brain was used to create a solid hologram to fight Luke Skywalker(!). His legacy of fear goes beyond death!
Anakin was much more powerful than Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan force pushed Anakin and caught him off guard. Then Anakin started to over power him and they were both knocked back. You can’t just pick and choose what you want to “power scale” people. Maul was definitely insanely powerful. Being the son of The Great Mother definitely made him strong AF. Great video, well done mate.
Retaining 50% seems a bit low considering there’s a lot more stuff in you from the waist up, versus the waist down. I mean you have a lot more bone, and bone is dense, with a lot more cells, not to forget all the organs minus the balls, bladder, part of the kidneys, part of the large and small intestines. More nerve endings, more blood, skin, hair, and more. Going with the same train of thought 80% seems a bit low for Vader as well.
THANK GOD, an new Maul video. Its about time❤❤❤❤ But i feel that he could have become more. Like an Dark Force Sorcerer, following the steps of her Mother
I wouldnt deny his power/ potential power. But I'd venture that his big limiting factor was more mental outlook. He could be and was a beast in force power, but got outthought more than once. Part of this could be put down to being raised as a sith assassin versus an actual dark lord, but id guess his personality wasnt deep or cunning per se. He was very much A to B in his goals. He was blunt, like a oh....a maul maybe? He never played games, he never really got into that sith power game mentality. Id guess if things on naboo had gone differently he would have been perfectly content to stay a minion, getting to wreck whoever he was pointed at.
Man I agree with all of this. You could see his potential in the duel on Naboo. He was nothing but power and was terrifying with a blade. they killed him because he was op
@orin81 possibly Palpatine did consider him a valued apprentice and if his potential is talzin level then a true potential maul may be sidious level or higher though I believe his power would be expressed differently maul isn't the kinda guy to spam lightning
@@StefanWinchester so true I agree well said . Because Talzin was pretty much Sid’s level as they stalemated etc it took both Dooku and Sid’s to push her lightening back but even then they couldn’t break thru talzins shields .. hence makes sense maul with more potential then her would be more powerful then her hence Sid’s to ..
@@StefanWinchester so true that bro well said , good also that George lucas openly admitted it to etc .. Sorry changing the subject : I hate what kennedy did to star wars she stuffed it all up! Disney should have stuck to Lucases original plans whereby Maul was going to be the next sith lord as well as darth talon by his side and where leila is the chosen one.. reckon they will ever bring Lucases stuff back on screen ? I hope so.. hope they reboot the series or can perhaps make an alternate time line? Or if not that then bring maul back some how from the dead via nite sister magicks lol..
I’ve always argued this seeing as he killed a skilled Jedi master in a 2 vs 1 fight as a young apprentice, that amount of power that fast alludes to how fast his steady growth could have been
Not disputing for one moment Maul's vast power and potential, but a couple of things are worth noting. First, the Darth Plagueis novel explicitly has Plagueis (THE expert on the subject) say that high midichlorian counts don't necessarily scale to Force talents. Therefore, the inverse must be true: even if Maul is stripped a chunk of his physical body and thus midichlorians, supposedly, then that does not necessarily limit him. Consider the example of wheelchair users, or those missing a limb - the rest of the body learns to compensate. The upper body, in the former case, becomes much stronger to compensate for the strain it's put under, sometimes stronger than it ever could have been otherwise - to use the dam metaphor, one gate is locked, another is opened. In short, I don't think losing legs massively impacted his Force potential. Now, Vader is actually different; he lost all four limbs, and, crucially, suffered immense damage to his surviving body - burns, smoke inhalation, he was roasted alive. What survived was a barely living husk, needing a constant life support suit, special chamber, or a bacta tank to even LIVE. The only Sith Lord who took a bigger beating was Darth Sion - another argument against the 'injury equals loss of power'. Vader's potential would be impacted because he's barely even alive. It's also worth noting that in spite of this, Maul fought Vader between ROTS and Rebels - while he impressively managed to escape alive, he also came through it with a steady determination never to do so again, because he knows he's not a match for Vader. Then again, aside from running the Crimson Dawn for a while, we don't really KNOW much of what he got up to between Mandalore and Malachor. Additionally, Anakin's best showings are AFTER he's lost a limb, to Dooku on Geonosis. There's no mention of it being a limitation, not even on Mortis, when the Father tests him and he's arguably at the height of his powers. In other words, if the Force isn't actively being drawn on to keep him alive/shore up his physical health, then I don't see how it would weaken Maul. Second, whenever Maul overpowers Obi-Wan in the Force, Obi-Wan is angry or afraid and emotionally unbalanced, ruining his focus in the Force. Maul explicitly taunts him about it when he and Savage are fighting Obi-Wan and Ventress. Now look again at Obi-Wan's expression when fighting Maul and Savage after Adi is killed, especially just before the push, after he's sliced Savage's arm off. His expression is positively feral, he's gleeful that Savage is hurt, that Maul is in pain, he's bared his teeth, he's out for blood. He's focused on the kill, but not in the Force. Also note that Maul did not pursue that fight. He didn't want to punish Obi-Wan further, or even make a fight of their retreat. Instead, he and Savage are running for their lives as Kenobi is after them, out for their blood. I think that Maul's main weakness is his limited education (Palpatine mainly having taught him how to be an assassin), and the decade plus he lost after Naboo of developing his skills in the Force - and over time, he was compensating for that.
You have to take into account how strong he is without using the Force and take into account his accomplishments in Maul Lockdown. The dark side is with you.
Ahsoka's win was actually a technicality and Disney's lack of knowledge of the actual characters. It's been stated by even Disney Executives that Ahsoka was at a loss in terms of skill and power when compared to Maul, maybe even agility too cuz maul was enhanced due night sister Magic. Maul was angry, hateful, but he was not arrogant because he knew the cost of arrogance. But Disney had to have a way to milk the Ahsoka cow more.
Careful Ahsoka fans will hear you. I've even encountered someone who believes Kanan Jarrus is a better fighter than Maul because of what happened in Malacor.
@@baki484 it is, filoni and Disney like to keep marketable characters, but the reason they killed off Maul was because they panicked and didn't know what to do with the character, because they had no place for him after Return of the Jedi like Lucas did. Filoni also has a crush on Ahsoka, so that's already a point against them for biased
@@UmbrellaPharmaceuticals My problem is the fanboys filoni's pet (Ahsoka) has. The man resorted to introducing time travel to keep her alive. We're going to see that favoritism in full swing since she's going to be the main character in a series with her name on it. Ever since Maul came back to life he's been punching bag for filoni but Ahsoka "beating" him was the last straw.
Considering Lucas confirmed loss of body parts directly corresponds with force potential, and Maul lost a full half, but then still managed to be better than Kenobi, and also better than Ahsoka who had been boosted by the Daughter by that point, he'd easily be on a comparable level to Vader after his bisection. Rebels confirms that while Ahsoka is still weaker than Vader, she's close enough to put up a good fight against him, and that Maul was significantly stronger than her, further clarifying that he had to be extremely close to Vader's level at minimum in the form we did see him. Since he was originally considered to be the main villain of the sequels (which sounds way better than what we got,) this means thematically he would also need to be similar to other main villains. We never got an easy way to directly compare Maul to Dooku one-on-one, but considering his form 7 style was directly connected to the strength of his force power, and he was still seemingly equal to Vader, he'd probably be a better duelist.
Maul was not Superior to Vader at any time in Canon in any way other then unarmed combat and most physical abilities aside from strength, durability, stamina, and endurance with lightsaber dueling and the force Vader is out of his league with the force at least Dooku was also out of his league a writer said that The Maul who got his power back from Dathomirian Magics used by Talzin and her lackeys that was even more powerful then his TPM Self was not on either Vaders or Dookus levels of power but that he stands amongst them because of iron will yeah.
Maul was a gold mine for Lucas if he kept him as the main villain in the prequels. Then bringing Sidious out in the last prequel movie. Could have been an epic build up to finally reveal Sidious. But we got what we got.
Canons Mauls potential was possibly either near Sidious level, at Sidious level, or possibly higher then Sidious. Legends Mauls potential while high it was not as high as The Skywalkers, Abeloth, The Wills, The Solos Under Leias Liner, The Mereks, Sidious, Yoda, Dooku, Plagueis, Mace, Or Malgus but was higher then Asajj, Grievous, Durge, Quinlan, Obi Wan, Qui Gon, Shaak Ti, Yaddle, Aayla Secura, Plo Koon, Satele Shan, Treya, Sensei Tin, Kit Fisto, Ki Adi Mundi, Anoon Bandara, Agen Kolar, Shaa Gi, Vitiate, Revan, Merik, Volfe Karko, Depa Ballaba, Cin Dralig, Jerek, Mara Jade, Tenebrous, Vinamos, and everyone else yeah.
Legends Vader was 80 percent of Sidious power according to Lucas as was Dooku And Maul I could believe Vader being 80 percent of Sidious power but not Dooku and definitely not Maul in Legends most statements imply that in terms of potential Luke over Galen And Galen Over Suited Vader And Suited Vader Over Dooku And Dooku Over Maul And Maul Over Asajj And Asajj Over Grievous And Grievous Over Durge yeah.
I think Darth Sidious feared Mauls true potential when he attacked him and Savage, it wasn't about political power, Darth Maul was only beginning to expanded his criminal empire while Sidious had the entire Galaxy on his side. He could've sent any number of his footsoldiers to deal against Maul but no, Sidious PERSONALLY came after Maul, you don't do such thing unless its dead serious! In hindsight, Sidious knew if Maul continued to grow as a crime lord the Dark Side within him would make him grow as well and increase his overall Force Ability. If Maul had full confidence in himself, stopped fearing his former master and allowed Dark Side to fuel him he could've gotten the upper hand against Sidious and together with Savage they could've overwhelmed the Emperor
techinally in George's verison, Maul would have been the 3rd most powerful being in the galaxy below Vader and palpetine. He had an entire galactic underworld under his control. When Vader and palpetine died, he learned of that and took advantage of the situation. Therefore, making him the most powerful being in the galaxy. Especially in politics. Everything was under his control to my theory
I think a full potential darth maul would of surpassed sidious and not be far off a full potential anakin. The fact that it was said savage oppress had even more potential than maul, would of been really cool to see what if they both reached their full potential together.
A running theme in star wars is that alot of people seem to never reach there full potential in the force, either because they were crippled,(darth maul vader) kept in the dark (mace windu's brother, and previous nightmother from talzin, who's name I forgot) choose not to pursue it ( Leia and rey), not properly trained for it ( starkiller) or chose the light instead of the darkside like yoda. If any of them had ever gotten to their potemtial the board would be drastically altered.
Let's say Sidious has a power of 100. Vader has 80% of that according to George Lucas which gives Vader a power of 80. In Star War Rebels we see Ahsoka hold her own against Vader and it could be said that the difference in power between Vader and Ahsoka is similar to the difference in power between Sidious and Vader (80%). This would give Ahsoka a power of roughly 64. Maul and Ahsoka are similar in power and even if you say Maul is weaker it wouldn't be by much. Still let's say Maul has 70% of Vaders power which would put Maul at a power of 56. If Mauls full potential is twice that then Maul could have had a power of 112 being slightly stronger than what Sidious is at.
I find it easier to decide character v character in star wars by internal debate from 3 ways, a fight with/comparison to force knowledge and powers in a fight, use of their saber in combat, and the use of saber and force in a fight together
Although I doubt with my current knowledge (not that I'm saying your wrong) that mauls potential wasn't shown to be anywhere near that of sidious, but maybe he could have got close if he used a combo of sith knowledge and dathomirian dark side magiks, given that those of dathomir seem to have a natural affinity for dark side magiks, and given the power level of talzin mauls mother he could have been very close to Palpatines, but I do doubt he would have exceeded him but I could be made to change my mind on that
@@nathanchitty6716 Combining Sith magic and Nightsister magic is literally an act of reaching you f potential.Potential is power you can anchieve ,not the power you have right now.
It will be nice to see a What if video of Darth mauls full potential you could state that maybe maul pushed obi-Wan down the shaft and thought he killed him or that the wound Obi-Wan inflicted on Darth Maul wasn’t that deep
Maul did not have 'no interest in tangling with' Plo Koon. Its the opposite he wanted to fight Koon as he thought he was one of the few jedi he could truly test his abilites against.
I've said it once, along with thousands of other people I'm sure, but bringing Maul was one of the greatest ideas in all of Star Wars history. And how they played him was absolutely perfect. The only thing that I would have changed is having him battle Vader at some point during Rebels when they were in that pyramid. But it would have been neat if he fought Vader with Ezra and then left him to die when he realized he wasn't going to win the fight
Maul is such a great villain ......outside of the movies. I think the prequels could have been much more interesting if he was the main "black knight" of them, with a parallel of the end of ROTJ at the end of ROTS with Anakin killing Maul in a similar situation to what Palpatine wanted on the DS II. I like the prequels as they are, but I think that would have been bad ass.
I feel like Maul probably would’ve been at least on par with Mace Windu and would’ve been a real threat to Sidious, possibly even killing his master as he started to get older and weaker and becoming the dark lord of the Sith. Maul’s physical prowess would have also given him a massive advantage on almost any other force user as he was so athletic and strong, keeping up with his pace would be gruelling.
In Canon Mauls potential before his defeat on Theed was higher then everyone else's except for The Skywalkers, The Force Deities, And The Leia Bloodline yeah.
Darth Maul is such a fucking awesome Character. When I watched Star Wars as a Kid, I always thought he was amazing. I always wished he would not be killed in the very first movie
Sith Warlock is probably a good category for him BUT I would make the argument that due to their use of of Sith alchemy, dark side rituals and physical strength Sith Warlock (or Sith Overlord) would suit the original Sith lords of Marka Ragnos and Tenebrae and maybe Sidius, better.
Maul was a bit like Anakin, he was extremely powerful but his arrogance got the better of him at times which resulted in his downfall. Ironically Obi-Wan was the one who would stop both Maul and Anakin from reaching their full potential.
kenobi has a bad habit of not aiming for the neck
by cutting them in half to reduce their potential but not totally killing them to rub salt into the wound😂
@@glooppszr9991 he also has a bad habit of being around when people are set on fire.. we all saw him do it to anakin, but uncle owen and aunt beru were killed by "stormtroopers" MHMM 😂
@@august6281 that only made them stronger to the dark side, they didnt lose potential
Don’t forget Darth Krayt😂
Ive noticed the community is slowly realizing how powerful Maul really was especially during the clone wars.
He is literally the fruit of all of Darth Bane's sith lineage over 1000 years of evolution, study, knowledge and power. The fact that it has to be OP is realistic and justified
@@andreademarchi7495've noticed Maul overpowerd Ahsoka and Obi Wan in there fights alot he holds back alot..and likes to toy or torture weaker opponents instead of killing them..because that's not fun to him..Fans who don't see this just say oh he must be weak then ...noo he was a op dark user that bullied his food...that's how I see it lol.Palpatine didn't send Dooku to defeat and capture Maul for a reason..it takes SS class fighters like himself to actually beat him in a real force and Saber duel purely on skill.. Unlike his fight with Ahsoka and Obi Wan those two had to use there environment to win at times without there battle iq in the right place they are finish and if Maul was not cocky they would be finished 99 percent of the time.There is also a deleted scene with Maul force griping and slaming Palps to a wall...so that just tells me how powerful Faloni and Lucas thought he was at that time lol.
Not slowly, the entire community overrates Maul too much.
@soularprimestudios5930 well he defeated jedi qui gon jinn and his movements are impressive and fast
Yeah he’s highly underestimated but is arrogant which can always be his downfall.
It wasn't just the loss of the force but his martial skill is what really hurt. Before he lost his lower half he was amazing in physical strength and skill
He literally lost a huge chunk of his potential in the force,but he still surpassed what he was in EP1
@@newhybrid101 Did he ever recover his physical strength? I have a feeling he never did leg day after ep one
This is why is wish Lucas hadn’t written him to be cut in half. Seriously wounded? YES, so that he would return again and again. I really disliked what Filoni did by killing him off. I wasn’t a fan of the animations because it just didn’t look or feel right. Filoni chewed up a lot of Maul’s ‘screen time’ that the comic books handled better.
The biggest tragedy was Disney buying the franchise and shafting Lucas, the fans...and Ray Park as Maul! This video, itself, serves as a far note exciting story line then what Filoni gave us.
He was highly acrobatic and far more aggressive when he had his legs, of course he never lost his aggression but I think he lost some of his speed and definitely acrobatics.
@@Posttrip Lucas didn't write the prequels knowing somebody was going to retcon events years after the fact. For all intents and purposes, TCW actually destroyed the hype Obi-Wan got from defeating Maul in TPM. Maul was supposed to die in the movie and never be seen or heard from again.
A few things here: Sidious kidnapped child Maul as soon as he discovered his potential in the force (being greater even than that of Mother Talzin, as it is said in the video), and decided to abandon Dathomir immediately having even more promising student. Later he said that the loss of Maul was a truly great one for him, compared to Dooku, who was just a tool (even though Dooku was very powerful himself). Even during the Clone Wars, after Sidious became aware of Maul's return, he called him a RIVAL, and did in fact choose to handle the matter personally, which proves in how high regard he held his former apprentice. At the end I believe it truly was Maul's arrogance and overconfidence, not a lack of the skills that prevented him from achieving even more than he already did.
When Sidious came after Maul and Savage, Maul was *scared*. That could've been the difference in their fight.
It's stupid that sidious saw dooku as just a tool dooku hie potential was so high they thought he was the chosen one lol
@@kianvanderbeke6895 Remember that Palpatine also saw the actual chosen one, Anakin, as just a tool. So...
@@uncahay treu fair enough
His overconfidence and taunting obi one is what got him chopped in half in that fight, his fear is what cost him his brother in the fight with sidious. I always liked maul because he was a great warrior, but in clone wars and rebels i saw just how truly brilliant he actually was, in terms of intellect and manipulation but also strategic planning like sidious
The real loss for Palpatine, though he didn't know it. Maul might have been able to utilize Sith Sorcery. An art Plagueis said required an innate aptitude. Which Nightbrothers have.
your right thats sad and terrifying at the same time
It’s more of a night sister thing
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I'm sure the men can use it too, they just have a different culture.
Maul could've used it if taught, I'm sure.
Palpatine did consider Maul as a loss. In a conversation with Vader he said Dooku was just a tool while Maul was a loss.
@@danielheiger8967In Canon not Legends Maul had higher potential then Dooku which is why Mauls defeat on Naboo was considered a loss because Sids planned for Maul prior to the defeat alive or dead to one day be his successor while Dooku was working with Sidious even before Maul got beat up badly he was not a apprentice until Mauls big failure and then since Anakin was in the picture shortly after and Dooku being too old anyways older then Sidious and lacking a long lifespan was going to be replaced possibly with Anakin in thirteen years anyways yeah.
Bro imagine if maul could have learned night sister magic.
He could possibly straight up learn how to force teleport like Merrin does in Jedi survivor.
Could’ve also surpassed sidious and been on par with Vader
He used some night sister magic
He already is on par with Vader 😂😂
@@MalikBrown-ww6rb no he wasnt lmao
Whats even more amazing about Mauls physical prowess is that in the book Maul Lockdown, he was able to kill a Uzang Vhong warrior (Hope I spelled that right) a Weequay while underwater and a Wampa that was given several enhancement drugs that increased it endurance and pain threshold. All of this is without him using any force abilities or a lightsaber.
I loved that book it was great
My favorite Star Wars character. Even though his end wasn't glorious, I see his death as a cautionary tale of how the quest for revenge and use of the Dark Side will eventually lead to one's own destruction. I'm glad he got further elaboration in Clone Wars and Rebels, and hope we see some adaptations of pre-TPM events featuring him.
If you like Maul, go read his Legends Book. They do him far more justice than these silly kid shows. Lockdown in particular is a very cool story.
Already read it, Shadow Hunter, Darth Plagueis, and the Phantom Menace novelization, as well as every comic I could find with him. Working on his 2017 comic right now.
There’s also a fan film about him that’s set just before TPM which imo makes Maul look even more cool.
@@potatoproductions1246 oh yes! They did an absolutely banger job with it. Legit slays.
And remember george Lucas said he was supposed to be the villain for episode 8-9 he wasn't supposed to die smh disney messed that up
Mauls power progress mirrors Vader.
Both lost most of their potential but they still surpassed the level they were at before their injuries due to the darkside being strengthened from their pain.
And yes it's confirmed dozens of times that they surpassed Ep1 Maul and EP3 Vader respectively
Maul had amazing strength and skill. He had great intelligence too. We see this when he deal with mafia clans. He even says to Savage on Dathomir,he was apprentice to the most powerful being in the galaxy once,he was destined to become so much more. But the robbed of that destiny by Obi-Wan. Hence the revenge and plotting. I think he could be great Sith Master and general. May the Force be with you too. Have a great day too.
But when I and others have been saying time ago that Maul's potential rivalled Sidious's, the narrow minded didn't believe.
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Great video on Darth Maul
Nah wtf not no sidous he could maybe reach about revenge of the sith obi wan
@@giovanniciccone1323 Did I stutter yes Sidious, he was already stronger than Kenobi, Kenobi wasn't very gifted in the force, so he had to train a lot.
He definitely could’ve rivalled Sidious for sure. Not sure Maul would ever be quite as powerful in the force as Sidious but his physical strength and athleticism as well as his ability to tap into dathomirian magic would’ve even a lot of the odds. Maul probably could’ve killed Sidious off as his body started to get older and weaker.
Had the look, the story, the traits, EVERYTHING. Even had his weakness which is important for a great character. I don't think George realized what he could have done with him on the big screen when he killed him off (first time).
What? George Lucas didn’t know what he was doing because someone else (Filoni) revived his character a decade later for a kids show? Failing to follow the logic here
@@Lawrence_Talbot I think he’s implying that George shouldn’t have killed off Maul in Episode 1 given the potential the character had as an antagonist
I agree, but George couldn’t have known that Maul would become an infamous Sith villain years after TPM and through other media like books and comics so I forgive him. I think it would be incredibly difficult to please all the fans out there and George laid out the groundwork for some very epic stories.
@@Lawrence_Talbot There is no "logic" to be followed here, simply my view on Maul as a whole. George himself has said that he regrets killing Maul in TPM because of what he could have done with him. So much so he was planning on reviving him for his sequel trilogy. And that Filoni crap is out the window since years before he was originally going to revive him as Grievous in Ep. 3. Filoni simply did what he already wanted to do before. Why is everything an argument with SW fans? You don't agree just read and move on dude.
I'd wonder if you'd say that still if you saw his original design.
If he could’ve became the same level of power as mother talzin, someone even sidious feared of, he could’ve became more powerful than suit Vader which is crazy
Work on that grammar, kiddo.
Pretty amazing how Sideous and Vader {Legends} both managed to acquire an apprentice with vaguely Sideous-tier potential.
@@priestesslucy3299Galen was flat out >= Sidious in potential
actually suit vader was quite weak because of the suit. the emperor feared vaders power so had the suit designed to hold vader back. yes it kept him alive but it also didn't help him be powerful.
@@trevorbanbury6894suit vader was not weak at all... The suit was designed to be slow and painful but that pain made vader stronger in the dark side. There is a reason why it had to be luke to fight vader in yodas and obi wans eyes.
Maul broke obi Wan's force wall multiple times and a canon unfinished scene where the brothers fought Sidious showed Maul breaking Sidious's force wall with one hand and pinning him to a wall.
Yes
"For of all sad words of tongue or pen, The saddest are these: 'It might have been!' "
You`d think Maul had everything to eventually get up there with the likes of Sidious -superior physicality, extreme force potential, a natual with the lightsaber styles and likely great aptitude for sorcery. I wonder if his mind would hold him back even without the trauma from getting cut in half though.
Vader going from potentially doubling the Emperors force potential to be capped off at a mere 80% of his potential is definitely damning. I know soon as Vader was placed in the suit and noticed how difficult it was for him to connect to the force was depressing when he had the purest connection prior to his fall at Mustafar. I see why he mentally was never the same after losing Padme, his best friend Obi-Wan, and all of his remaining limbs within minutes. And then to find out you are doomed to remain a slave when you once had the power to destroy the Emperor and shape the galaxy to your will but now have to be a slave to him as well with no sight of hope to overcome it. I know his selfishness and lust for that power is what eventually aided his demise but the way the story is told is incredible. Imagine all he lost and there's nothing he can do to change anything because he failed.
This was one of your best videos! The idea of a fully trained Maul with the infusion of Night Sisters magic + force powers is an incredible concept. VERY VERY EXCITING! I would love to have this explored as a fan film or otherwise
A very underrated character! Love this presentation host!
Fun Fact : Before the shooting of fight took place on Naboo, the actor of Darth Maul - Ray Park - noticed he still had his earring and suggested to George Lucas he remove it.
George Lucas however, loved it and told him to keep it there!
Watch the fight again, and you can clearly see it!
I also think it looked awesome!
There's a reason Maul is such a major character in Star Wars. Had he not been cut in half, he would have been one of the most powerful major characters in Star Wars.
This video will help me with my dnd star wars game I'm working on. To give my full potential Darth Maul a true threat to my players. Darth Maul is one of my favorite sith, and to see what a full powered Maul could be. Thank you for all your work. I enjoy many of your videos keep it up
Darth Maul was so underrated it's a shame. I think the same can be said for Savage Oppress.
Savage's lack of intelligence and ability to control his aggression made him consistently sloppy and unreliable. Maul's inability to recognize that flaw is what ultimately got Savage killed. He had to learn from experience why Sith were super choosy in picking apprentices instead of just picking the first random person they crossed paths with.
Maul had sheer potential to be a true sith lord even stronger than dooku. The fact he wasnt even taught force abilities due to the fear from Sidious is insane. For someone who can use force lightning like a nuke... feared him on any levels of force abilities. He solely trained him for physical feats for that reason.
I don't think he would be stronger than Dooku, Dooku is a way better Duelist and can use more Force Abilities, but yeah Maul's potential is incredible.
@@marceloaugusto9787 even in the force the potential for dooku was already max. Its a reason dooku was second choice as an apprentice vs maul being the first. His bloodline alone made his abilities naturally in the force quite impressive. being sidious taught him no force abilities lol.
To make a comparison in what he could have possibly been if trained unselfishly as a true sith lord and not sith assassin bodyguard. Darth Bane easily. from the lightsaber style to his force potential. dooku was his only apprentice with real force knowledge and abilities for that reason.
He didnt fear dooku in the force but was concerned for Maul. For sidious to be concerned..... is quite telling of who was supposed t be the real sith lord amongst dooku and maul. While the lightsaber duel is debatable because we have no real way to compare outside of the fact he could beat Qui-Gon meaning he had potential to beat the man who taught him everything...aka dooku.
The style Maul used was dedicted to defeated jedi who used the same style as Qui-gon and Dooku. its why dooku was 2nd string apprentice vs first as maul was. He had youth, ability, and potential. Nobody could judge that better than Sidious in all of star wars history. So i will happily say maul would have been much greater than dooku by a good margin alone because sidious only turned to dooku after maul's defeat. Otherwise he wouldve been another bitter jedi council master andgry with the times.
Dooku knew this well, its why he didnt bat an eye when Skywalker replaced him. Dooku is a beast dont get me wrong, but in terms of possibilities he was at his end right at the beginning of him going to the darkside. But for Maul and Skywalker.... the sky was the limit. Dooku was just born to late i guess idk lol but he knew he was the side piece for Sidious not the main.
@@Rome__king Dooku wasn't a second choice, even Sidious was afraid of Dooku being a rival to him, while Maul and Savage Opress losed for Obi Wan, Dooku winned Obi Wan and Anakin in TCW serie
@@marceloaugusto9787 you dont read the novels huh.... if you think sidious ever feared dooku...the man he could force choke when ever he wanted.... across the galaxy... thats cute. the duel between a handicap leglesss maul who still doesnt know true force abilities....
and his 2 week trained brother ...which should tell you if his brother got that good... hmmmm that is scary even dooku was on his back foot against opress until he used force lightning. so hmmmm 1+1 if maul knew the same amount as obi in the force.... would obi beat maul??? heck no lmaoooooooo
@@marceloaugusto9787 lmao and dooku was his 2nd choice he even says it himself lmao in the show and books lol
Maul is him just got jumped and let his guard down
Even when he got jumped he held his own. Obi wan beat him alone, as a Padawan. Maybe maul was overconfident like Anakin/Vader was
When you go looking for trouble, you should be prepared when for its arrival
@@billytee8052 he just to over cocky siths pumped his head up too much
I was reasonably certain that midichlorian density rather than overall count was responsible for power in the force. How else can one explain Yoda, a tiny being being more powerful in the force than others who tower over him, double his height?
I'm fairly certain the midichlorian "count" is a measure of midichlorian density. The same way white blood cell count is the density. That being said, a count of 1500/ml with only half the amount of blood is still less than 900/ml with twice the amount of blood. 😊
Think you hit the nail on the head with your explanation of the midichlorians. Vader still had his 20,000+ midis per cell, but the loss of his limbs just made it that much more difficult for him to reach his max potential. He theoretically still COULD have, but he never had the chance or mindset to seriously work on doing it.
I think this really just shows how impressive George Lucas is, because if he created Darth Maul as a character that was meant to be killed off and cast aside, a character not meant to be too important, and yet that character became far more iconic and awesome than George realized, then that just shows how quality his Star Wars really is. Darth Vader was meant to be the most important character, and he became an absolute icon, he’s one of the greatest and coolest villains of all scifi. It’s like everything George made ended up being greater than it was meant to be. Similar thing with Boba Fett too.
I feel you understated it just a little bit. if, and only if, he learned the sorceries of his mother, he would become a sigh warlock yes, but he’d also be far more in tune with the force itself, using its power and beginning to understand its true strength, he would surpass his own lightsaber limits and become on par with Anakin with the death stick, not only that, he would be as powerful, if not more than palpatine in the force
Even when Maul was cut in half Sideous still called him a rival let that sink in..
Because 1. Maul thanks to Dathomirian Magics Maul got his head, anatomy, soul, and potential back plus a power boost a good deal more powerful then his TPM self and was still growing. 2. Had the aid of Savage another ultra high potentialed individual possibly either near Maul, at Maul, or slightly above Maul level. 3. Had Talzin backing him. 4. Got the entire planet of Mandolorians or most of them under his command. Yeah.
I love this video. You always do so well! The reasoning is solid and it would be so cool to have seen some of this come to fruition. Mal is a great character and I always appreciate seeing more of him.
I already knew Maul was really power as a Sith Assassin. The most athletic thing almost ever past like Olympic level. Really powerful in the force and skilled with the Dual blade, ferocious yet precise. He was disciplined and tenacious yet he was sometimes prideful and careless because of that fixated on vengeance.
It’s crazy, but most people grossly underestimate Darth Maul
It’s funny because Darth Maul’s greatest force feat in canon scales above Darth Tyranus’s
He destroyed the hyper drive of the venator in S7 of The Clone Wars.
Another thing that I think is absolutely hilarious Is that most people think that because Dooku can use the force to do all different kinds of tricks that means that he’s automatically better than or has a higher force connection or aptitude than someone like Darth Maul or Anakin Skywalker because they use the force to augment their physical abilities, rather than to diversify their force skill set
Hilarious.
I guarantee you that, if Dooku used the force to augment his physical abilities next to Anakin and Darth Maul, and they had a bench pressing contest, Dooku would loose handily.
I personally believe that Darth Maul’s, and Anakin Skywalker’s force level,connection, and or aptitude are higher than Dooku’s
That’s just my opinion though
I like maul to but Dooku is on another level then Maul. Dooku is stronger in the force, better with the lightsaber and is far more level headed, Maul his biggest weakness is his emotions and this is easily exploited by dooku. Also a bench press competition? Lol
True but fighting non force wielders which Maul was in that feat vs fighting actual force wielders are two different things not saying Maul cannot do that just saying Dooku has a better track record of beating, tying with, or being near equals with more powerful force users such as Anakin, Yoda, And Mace yeah.
With Darth Maul’s full potential in Dark Magic and the Force he would be matching Anakin’s potential even surpassing it and he could be the new son of mortis as well as already being the son of Dathomir
Maul is one of my all-time favourite Sith and I absolutely agree with that’s been put forward here 😊
such an underrated character, love him so much
This overstates potential, Obi Wan wasn't so much contending with Anakin, Anakin was in an unstable place and Obi Wan was frankly pushing far past his potential as a resolute conduit of the lightside. Even then it was everything++ to reach the point of being pushed back but able to defend himself from direct harm, conserving energy until Anakin makes a mistake.
I mean Maul was kicking some serious ass in the Clone Wars despite being 10 years out of practice. So if Maul was not cut in half and spent that time as a raving lunatic it’s likely he’d be significantly stronger and more skilled.
This really makes me think what if Palpatine made mother Talzin his apprentice and demonstrated to him how night sister magic works? Dathomir would become a devastating force with magically enhanced night brothers to act as a counter to the Jedi, using probably sith warrior tactics but not the face of the rule of 2, rather their own shadow army that grows during the clone wars, until finally order 66 is commenced, where they begin to act, hunting Jedi the clones couldn’t find. This force then acts as the inquisitors, with mother Talzin keeping Dathomir and Palpatine to run the empire. Should the day come when Talzin decides to strike down sidious and take his place, she could begin to utilize all sith knowledge with her magic, which honestly is more terrifying than the Deathstar altogether.
I'm a simple man, I see a video of Darth Maul, I click, I watch, I comment.
Yeah, Maul was really dealt a dirty hand to the point I think even force saw his potential and decided to do something about it.
If he learned as much as he could from Sidious and dodged being disposed of, a Sith Lord with Night Sister Magic is pretty OP. Wouldn't have to use his lightsaber anymore really at that point
Unhindered, Darth Maul would have been the stuff of nightmares for Jedi Masters.💪🏻🤘🏻
Maybe with the exceptions of Anakin if he stayed loyal to the Jedi and Yoda yeah.
For him to hold all that metal scrap together when he was on the junk island w just force should tell you how strong he is w the force. He alone is an amazing character
Zabuza is the Darth Maul of Naruto. A super powerful and very under used villain with a cool and mysterious appeal. Also both are fan favorites in their respective franchises.
Naw one is wayyy more popular dude.
@@rashad82094 well yea. Star wars is generally more popular so yea. I’m not saying they have an equal number of fans. Just comparing the things i specifically mention. They even both used iconic weapons.
Maul was practically like Mara Jade before Palpatine became emperor (except him a full potential Sith). While Mara was the 'Emperor's Hand' Maul was like the 'Senator's Hand'.
Plus, he was feared in the galaxy even after his death (whatever that could have been in Legends). A clone of him was created with Sith magic to fight Darth Vader. Even his own brain was used to create a solid hologram to fight Luke Skywalker(!). His legacy of fear goes beyond death!
Anakin was much more powerful than Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan force pushed Anakin and caught him off guard. Then Anakin started to over power him and they were both knocked back.
You can’t just pick and choose what you want to “power scale” people.
Maul was definitely insanely powerful. Being the son of The Great Mother definitely made him strong AF.
Great video, well done mate.
Retaining 50% seems a bit low considering there’s a lot more stuff in you from the waist up, versus the waist down. I mean you have a lot more bone, and bone is dense, with a lot more cells, not to forget all the organs minus the balls, bladder, part of the kidneys, part of the large and small intestines. More nerve endings, more blood, skin, hair, and more.
Going with the same train of thought 80% seems a bit low for Vader as well.
Maul was always my favorite sit but no one knew how powerful he was
THANK GOD, an new Maul video. Its about time❤❤❤❤ But i feel that he could have become more. Like an Dark Force Sorcerer, following the steps of her Mother
I wouldnt deny his power/ potential power. But I'd venture that his big limiting factor was more mental outlook.
He could be and was a beast in force power, but got outthought more than once. Part of this could be put down to being raised as a sith assassin versus an actual dark lord, but id guess his personality wasnt deep or cunning per se. He was very much A to B in his goals. He was blunt, like a oh....a maul maybe?
He never played games, he never really got into that sith power game mentality. Id guess if things on naboo had gone differently he would have been perfectly content to stay a minion, getting to wreck whoever he was pointed at.
Man I agree with all of this. You could see his potential in the duel on Naboo. He was nothing but power and was terrifying with a blade. they killed him because he was op
He has more force potential than mother talzin who rivals sidious. If maul was trained properly he'd have been a very powerful sith lord
reckon more powerful then sids ?
@orin81 possibly Palpatine did consider him a valued apprentice and if his potential is talzin level then a true potential maul may be sidious level or higher though I believe his power would be expressed differently maul isn't the kinda guy to spam lightning
@@StefanWinchester so true I agree well said . Because Talzin was pretty much Sid’s level as they stalemated etc it took both Dooku and Sid’s to push her lightening back but even then they couldn’t break thru talzins shields ..
hence makes sense maul with more potential then her would be more powerful then her hence Sid’s to ..
@orin81 maul was not only a worthy apprentice for sidious but a fiercely loyal one Palpatine made a huge mistake discarding maul.
@@StefanWinchester so true that bro well said , good also that George lucas openly admitted it to etc .. Sorry changing the subject : I hate what kennedy did to star wars she stuffed it all up! Disney should have stuck to Lucases original plans whereby Maul was going to be the next sith lord as well as darth talon by his side and where leila is the chosen one.. reckon they will ever bring Lucases stuff back on screen ? I hope so.. hope they reboot the series or can perhaps make an alternate time line? Or if not that then bring maul back some how from the dead via nite sister magicks lol..
One of the most interesting and intriguing people in all of Star Wars IMO 💪🏼
I love the idea of Sith Warlock Maul
I’ve always argued this seeing as he killed a skilled Jedi master in a 2 vs 1 fight as a young apprentice, that amount of power that fast alludes to how fast his steady growth could have been
What if Maul underwent the ritual that Savage did? How would that change his power level and scaling?
Not disputing for one moment Maul's vast power and potential, but a couple of things are worth noting.
First, the Darth Plagueis novel explicitly has Plagueis (THE expert on the subject) say that high midichlorian counts don't necessarily scale to Force talents. Therefore, the inverse must be true: even if Maul is stripped a chunk of his physical body and thus midichlorians, supposedly, then that does not necessarily limit him. Consider the example of wheelchair users, or those missing a limb - the rest of the body learns to compensate. The upper body, in the former case, becomes much stronger to compensate for the strain it's put under, sometimes stronger than it ever could have been otherwise - to use the dam metaphor, one gate is locked, another is opened. In short, I don't think losing legs massively impacted his Force potential.
Now, Vader is actually different; he lost all four limbs, and, crucially, suffered immense damage to his surviving body - burns, smoke inhalation, he was roasted alive. What survived was a barely living husk, needing a constant life support suit, special chamber, or a bacta tank to even LIVE. The only Sith Lord who took a bigger beating was Darth Sion - another argument against the 'injury equals loss of power'. Vader's potential would be impacted because he's barely even alive. It's also worth noting that in spite of this, Maul fought Vader between ROTS and Rebels - while he impressively managed to escape alive, he also came through it with a steady determination never to do so again, because he knows he's not a match for Vader. Then again, aside from running the Crimson Dawn for a while, we don't really KNOW much of what he got up to between Mandalore and Malachor.
Additionally, Anakin's best showings are AFTER he's lost a limb, to Dooku on Geonosis. There's no mention of it being a limitation, not even on Mortis, when the Father tests him and he's arguably at the height of his powers. In other words, if the Force isn't actively being drawn on to keep him alive/shore up his physical health, then I don't see how it would weaken Maul.
Second, whenever Maul overpowers Obi-Wan in the Force, Obi-Wan is angry or afraid and emotionally unbalanced, ruining his focus in the Force. Maul explicitly taunts him about it when he and Savage are fighting Obi-Wan and Ventress. Now look again at Obi-Wan's expression when fighting Maul and Savage after Adi is killed, especially just before the push, after he's sliced Savage's arm off. His expression is positively feral, he's gleeful that Savage is hurt, that Maul is in pain, he's bared his teeth, he's out for blood. He's focused on the kill, but not in the Force.
Also note that Maul did not pursue that fight. He didn't want to punish Obi-Wan further, or even make a fight of their retreat. Instead, he and Savage are running for their lives as Kenobi is after them, out for their blood.
I think that Maul's main weakness is his limited education (Palpatine mainly having taught him how to be an assassin), and the decade plus he lost after Naboo of developing his skills in the Force - and over time, he was compensating for that.
You have to take into account how strong he is without using the Force and take into account his accomplishments in Maul Lockdown.
The dark side is with you.
His people are also witches, if he didn’t focus purely on physical combat, he’d be terrifying.
Ahsoka's win was actually a technicality and Disney's lack of knowledge of the actual characters. It's been stated by even Disney Executives that Ahsoka was at a loss in terms of skill and power when compared to Maul, maybe even agility too cuz maul was enhanced due night sister Magic. Maul was angry, hateful, but he was not arrogant because he knew the cost of arrogance. But Disney had to have a way to milk the Ahsoka cow more.
Careful Ahsoka fans will hear you. I've even encountered someone who believes Kanan Jarrus is a better fighter than Maul because of what happened in Malacor.
@@baki484 Oh NoOo.
@@UmbrellaPharmaceuticals 😂😂 it's proof of Filoni's writing as overrated.
@@baki484 it is, filoni and Disney like to keep marketable characters, but the reason they killed off Maul was because they panicked and didn't know what to do with the character, because they had no place for him after Return of the Jedi like Lucas did. Filoni also has a crush on Ahsoka, so that's already a point against them for biased
@@UmbrellaPharmaceuticals My problem is the fanboys filoni's pet (Ahsoka) has. The man resorted to introducing time travel to keep her alive. We're going to see that favoritism in full swing since she's going to be the main character in a series with her name on it. Ever since Maul came back to life he's been punching bag for filoni but Ahsoka "beating" him was the last straw.
I want a full potential Darth Maul vs Darth Vader video
Considering Lucas confirmed loss of body parts directly corresponds with force potential, and Maul lost a full half, but then still managed to be better than Kenobi, and also better than Ahsoka who had been boosted by the Daughter by that point, he'd easily be on a comparable level to Vader after his bisection. Rebels confirms that while Ahsoka is still weaker than Vader, she's close enough to put up a good fight against him, and that Maul was significantly stronger than her, further clarifying that he had to be extremely close to Vader's level at minimum in the form we did see him. Since he was originally considered to be the main villain of the sequels (which sounds way better than what we got,) this means thematically he would also need to be similar to other main villains. We never got an easy way to directly compare Maul to Dooku one-on-one, but considering his form 7 style was directly connected to the strength of his force power, and he was still seemingly equal to Vader, he'd probably be a better duelist.
Maul was not Superior to Vader at any time in Canon in any way other then unarmed combat and most physical abilities aside from strength, durability, stamina, and endurance with lightsaber dueling and the force Vader is out of his league with the force at least Dooku was also out of his league a writer said that The Maul who got his power back from Dathomirian Magics used by Talzin and her lackeys that was even more powerful then his TPM Self was not on either Vaders or Dookus levels of power but that he stands amongst them because of iron will yeah.
I guess it also depends on cannon vs legends. Maul wasn't Talzins son in legends
Maul was a gold mine for Lucas if he kept him as the main villain in the prequels. Then bringing Sidious out in the last prequel movie. Could have been an epic build up to finally reveal Sidious. But we got what we got.
Canons Mauls potential was possibly either near Sidious level, at Sidious level, or possibly higher then Sidious.
Legends Mauls potential while high it was not as high as The Skywalkers, Abeloth, The Wills, The Solos Under Leias Liner, The Mereks, Sidious, Yoda, Dooku, Plagueis, Mace, Or Malgus but was higher then Asajj, Grievous, Durge, Quinlan, Obi Wan, Qui Gon, Shaak Ti, Yaddle, Aayla Secura, Plo Koon, Satele Shan, Treya, Sensei Tin, Kit Fisto, Ki Adi Mundi, Anoon Bandara, Agen Kolar, Shaa Gi, Vitiate, Revan, Merik, Volfe Karko, Depa Ballaba, Cin Dralig, Jerek, Mara Jade, Tenebrous, Vinamos, and everyone else yeah.
If Vader was only 80% of Sidious' power, then how was he able to break Sidious' force shield and push him back into the wall?
Legends Vader was 80 percent of Sidious power according to Lucas as was Dooku And Maul I could believe Vader being 80 percent of Sidious power but not Dooku and definitely not Maul in Legends most statements imply that in terms of potential Luke over Galen And Galen Over Suited Vader And Suited Vader Over Dooku And Dooku Over Maul And Maul Over Asajj And Asajj Over Grievous And Grievous Over Durge yeah.
Mauls Full Potential is as powerful as Star Forge Malak. Not quite but up there
I think Darth Sidious feared Mauls true potential when he attacked him and Savage, it wasn't about political power, Darth Maul was only beginning to expanded his criminal empire while Sidious had the entire Galaxy on his side. He could've sent any number of his footsoldiers to deal against Maul but no, Sidious PERSONALLY came after Maul, you don't do such thing unless its dead serious! In hindsight, Sidious knew if Maul continued to grow as a crime lord the Dark Side within him would make him grow as well and increase his overall Force Ability. If Maul had full confidence in himself, stopped fearing his former master and allowed Dark Side to fuel him he could've gotten the upper hand against Sidious and together with Savage they could've overwhelmed the Emperor
techinally in George's verison, Maul would have been the 3rd most powerful being in the galaxy below Vader and palpetine. He had an entire galactic underworld under his control. When Vader and palpetine died, he learned of that and took advantage of the situation. Therefore, making him the most powerful being in the galaxy. Especially in politics. Everything was under his control to my theory
If he was so powerful he wouldn’t have spent his career losing to padawans.
Maul could be a main vilan in the new trylogy as a Lucas intended
I think a full potential darth maul would of surpassed sidious and not be far off a full potential anakin. The fact that it was said savage oppress had even more potential than maul, would of been really cool to see what if they both reached their full potential together.
I’m so glad this is true because it’s been my personal head canon for a year now
Maul is definitely one of my favorite characters.
OB1 won the first duel because he walked the edge of the light and dark. He was emotionally impacted by the death of his master.
More content on sith magic, alchemy, ritual, and the like would be really cool
If we don't know who Maul's father was, couldn't it be possible the prophecy was talking about him? That would be an interesting "what if?"
Let’s not forget he had not only grievous but ALSO dooku on their knees (at the same time) during the clone wars
A running theme in star wars is that alot of people seem to never reach there full potential in the force, either because they were crippled,(darth maul vader) kept in the dark (mace windu's brother, and previous nightmother from talzin, who's name I forgot) choose not to pursue it ( Leia and rey), not properly trained for it ( starkiller) or chose the light instead of the darkside like yoda. If any of them had ever gotten to their potemtial the board would be drastically altered.
Let's say Sidious has a power of 100. Vader has 80% of that according to George Lucas which gives Vader a power of 80. In Star War Rebels we see Ahsoka hold her own against Vader and it could be said that the difference in power between Vader and Ahsoka is similar to the difference in power between Sidious and Vader (80%). This would give Ahsoka a power of roughly 64. Maul and Ahsoka are similar in power and even if you say Maul is weaker it wouldn't be by much. Still let's say Maul has 70% of Vaders power which would put Maul at a power of 56. If Mauls full potential is twice that then Maul could have had a power of 112 being slightly stronger than what Sidious is at.
I find it easier to decide character v character in star wars by internal debate from 3 ways, a fight with/comparison to force knowledge and powers in a fight, use of their saber in combat, and the use of saber and force in a fight together
Although I doubt with my current knowledge (not that I'm saying your wrong) that mauls potential wasn't shown to be anywhere near that of sidious, but maybe he could have got close if he used a combo of sith knowledge and dathomirian dark side magiks, given that those of dathomir seem to have a natural affinity for dark side magiks, and given the power level of talzin mauls mother he could have been very close to Palpatines, but I do doubt he would have exceeded him but I could be made to change my mind on that
Ahsoka is nowhere Maul in power.
Yeah but even Sidious never reached his full potential.Also Sidious,Vader, and Ahsoka were all weaker during the events of Rebels.
@@nathanchitty6716 Combining Sith magic and Nightsister magic is literally an act of reaching you f potential.Potential is power you can anchieve ,not the power you have right now.
It will be nice to see a What if video of Darth mauls full potential you could state that maybe maul pushed obi-Wan down the shaft and thought he killed him or that the wound Obi-Wan inflicted on Darth Maul wasn’t that deep
Maul did not have 'no interest in tangling with' Plo Koon. Its the opposite he wanted to fight Koon as he thought he was one of the few jedi he could truly test his abilites against.
❤️ this video! Finally someone had fully explained how powerful maul was and should’ve become!
You should do a full potential Leia Skywalker.
What you see is the juice push each force sensitive is capable of; the midichan is the total possible.
Maul has always been my favorite many underrated for sure
I've said it once, along with thousands of other people I'm sure, but bringing Maul was one of the greatest ideas in all of Star Wars history. And how they played him was absolutely perfect. The only thing that I would have changed is having him battle Vader at some point during Rebels when they were in that pyramid. But it would have been neat if he fought Vader with Ezra and then left him to die when he realized he wasn't going to win the fight
Maul is such a great villain ......outside of the movies. I think the prequels could have been much more interesting if he was the main "black knight" of them, with a parallel of the end of ROTJ at the end of ROTS with Anakin killing Maul in a similar situation to what Palpatine wanted on the DS II. I like the prequels as they are, but I think that would have been bad ass.
Maul only lost in episode 1 because obi-wan broke Star Wars rule #1, if you have the high ground you win
I feel like Maul probably would’ve been at least on par with Mace Windu and would’ve been a real threat to Sidious, possibly even killing his master as he started to get older and weaker and becoming the dark lord of the Sith. Maul’s physical prowess would have also given him a massive advantage on almost any other force user as he was so athletic and strong, keeping up with his pace would be gruelling.
In Canon Mauls potential before his defeat on Theed was higher then everyone else's except for The Skywalkers, The Force Deities, And The Leia Bloodline yeah.
would be awsome to see Lord Vader and Darth Maul in an alternate universe as Equals and Allies, and Palpatine as a Jedi
A full potential Maul is one thing but a full potential Vader is a beastly god mode compared to what Maul could’ve been capable of
My favorite Star Wars fanfictions is Star Wars Theory "what if Maul was found by the jedi council". Jedi Master Maul is so damn OP!!!
Darth Maul is such a fucking awesome Character. When I watched Star Wars as a Kid, I always thought he was amazing. I always wished he would not be killed in the very first movie
Thwt thing bout Maul being a warlock kinda is something I said long ago,Maul mixing sith and nitntsoeter magic would've been kool
About 2/3 of our weight is in our torso. When Maul was cut in half he may have only lost a 1/3 of his potential.
Sith Warlock is probably a good category for him BUT I would make the argument that due to their use of of Sith alchemy, dark side rituals and physical strength Sith Warlock (or Sith Overlord) would suit the original Sith lords of Marka Ragnos and Tenebrae and maybe Sidius, better.
Do savage next please! His potential seamed crazy!
Ur right. And thanks for the dam midiclorian analogy. I just turned 14 today
Maul is my favorite character. I’m sad he didn’t get a proper ending as it was pretty bad, but I hope we can see more of him
Definitely one of the best character designs