The Essenes & The Dead Sea Scrolls
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2022
- In this episode, we explore the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Qumran community and ask the question whether or not this group can be identified as the Essenes.
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Sources/Recomended Reading:
Klawans, Jonathan (2016). "The Essene Hypothesis: Insights from Religion 101". Brill.
Magness, Jodi (2021). "The Archaeology of Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls". Second Edition. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.
Vermes, Geza (Trans.) (2004). "The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English". Revised Edition. Penguin Books.
#essenes #archeology #deadseascrolls
the fact that sleeping during worship was a problem as old as religion itself never ceased to surprise me.
Oh man, some preachers have the gift of lulling me to sleep. I feel terrible when I do it.
Many people don’t have an hour where they are sitting quietly and without moving or interacting with anyone directly. Once people slow down enough to pass time listening to a Sermon, their bodies react as if it were bedtime.
This is particularly true on a Sunday morning after people stay up later than usual on Saturday night.
Why would it surprise you?
(Do you know what ceased means? )
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@@lisasommerlad1337he used the word right. It still surprises him to this day, even though he has been exposed to that fact multiple times. Still surprising because he’s amazed how my often it happened each time
As a child I was brought up in a psuedo-Essene church. I've spent decades trying to find digestible information about them in order to move forward with my life and remove what was essentially a coping mechanism for the adults in charge of raising me. Thank you, and the rest of the religious scholar community, for shedding a light on who these people were historically.
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That’s fascinating and i hope that you’re doing well. Where are you from, if I may ask?
JUST BE DISCERNING WITH YOUR RESEARCH AND LET YOUR HEART GUIDE YOU IN WHAT TO BELIEVE.
@@justasreal5483 your heart does not know how to use logic and reasoning your brain on the other hand…..
The heart does logic and reasoning every time it pumps. The logic gates are sodium potassium
Your channel and religion for breakfast do such a good job in collaborations. I hope you keep working together.
Yeah but in the end, Religion is just Wrong
and something to Overcome.
This is true! 🎉
Quran 112
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I am absolutely loving when academics work together for the knowledge of us all. This gives me hope
European colonialism continues.. this time they steal your land with fairy tale history and fake archeology.
Philip and Andrew. How apostolic! 😁
Please do a video on Ethiopian religious history. There are so so many fascinating stories.
YES! i agree! also there are aspects of ancient greek mythology that reference the Aethiopes. Andromeda is classically depicted as Aethiopian. im curious as to the specifics of that and other stories - i know there is discussions and debates around these topics
@@NIGHTGUYRYAN Ethiopia of that time encompassed a much greater land mass than today. Basically everything under the 1st cataract was Ethiopia in ancient times
@@NIGHTGUYRYAN do not confused the Ethiopians ancient Greeks wrote about which were the people of Kingdom of Kush (land of Cush in Bible aka modern Sudan), with the country today called Ethiopia ....modern Ethiopia was in medieval times called Abyssinia and in Ancient times called Aksum ...modern Ethiopia stole the name Ethiopia from the successor kingdoms of the kingdom of Kush, Abyssinia invaded that last successor kingdoms in Sudan that were descended from the kingdom of Kush, after Ethiopia invaded this Sudan kingdom that became weak, Abyssinia then stole the name and called itself Ethiopia just like ottoman Turks stole the name Rome (Rumelia) and Caesar when they conquered a weakened Byzantine Roman empire
My point is
The ancient Greeks were very specific when they spoke of aetheiopia they always said it was a land that bordered Egypt to the south and full of warrior armies that were expert archers (fits the kingdom of Kush) and the Greeks even mentioned the cities and coastal ports of aetheiopia none were on modern Ethiopia all were in modern Sudan
And I say this as a Somali
The original ancient Ethiopia for thousands of years in the old testament was land of Cush aka Sudan kingdom of Kush
The Greeks later changed the word to stop referring to one kingdom of Kush in Sudan and to refer to all of dark skinned Africa
Ancient Ethiopia in a historical sense is only Sudan
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I love Dr. John Bergsma's theory of John the Baptist being an excommunicated Essene. It really gives context for why he scavenged for food as the Qumran community took vows to not eat food prepared outside of the community, from what I remember, so eating locusts and wild honey was a neat little loophole when keeping that vow.
There is a variant that does not say locusts in the gospel of the ebionites.
@@brenosantana1458
Yes. Bread. The Hebrew Gospel of Matthew has this record
Another translation of Locusts = shrub and tree foliage.
There is alsoa theory saying that Jesus might have been an Essene at some point with his cousin John. And that when John was excommunicated . He took a part of followers with him including his cousin Jesus and went solo . And for while Jesus was a deciplel of John. Untill John was arrested And exuted by Herod Antipas . And after that Johns movement spilt in two, as Jesus went solo with some of johns followers who supported him . And then Jesus made his own movement. And if Jesus had been part of Essene movement that preached celebacy . A lot of things about him makes sense .
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Racist
@@lukealadeen7836 wait whaaa
@@lukealadeen7836get a grip
It’s a good day: a Let’s Talk Religion and Religion for Breakfast collaboration. All I need is a LTR-RFT-Esoterica meeting, and my life will be complete.
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
Well what if I tell you it doesn’t matter how you put it.
Deep
Prove it
Says who?
a digital experience more likely. i cant wait to ascend to AI
I visited Qumran three times in one month. I went to some of the Dead Sea Scrolls caves. I enjoyed every moment. It is a very spiritual place. The Essenes were true believers. I encourage every believer to read and study the profound writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls. You will not regret it.
I am female. So doubt I would find anything relevant to the life of 50% of humanity especially in this very male oriented group.
I read parts of them at a huge exhibition many years ago as a female. They were one of the 100’s of stepping stones in life to confirm for me how absolutely ridiculous all religion is and nothing but indoctrination and cult nonsense.
@@helenamcginty4920 “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”
@@helenamcginty4920women getting bitter more and more...
first of all,there is not much to study. Secondly,im not sure how natural formations of caves,that existed long before anyone tried to stash any ,,sceolls" (as many of the materials are nor scrolls per se) could be considered spiritual place. Pls explain
I’m simple, I see a Let’s Talk Religion video and I click
That's smart, not simple.
It makes sense that the Essenes would die out if they were celibate and therefore not reproducing. They were a small group to begin with and how many new volunteers could they possibly get? It is a very interesting topic. Thank you.
lol seems very much a dead end. Maybe they figured that their interpretation would attract more people or they just didn't think it mattered?
@@CRneu you know I thought something similar to that. Perhaps these were individuals who were so focused on being spiritually pure that in essence they achieved a pseudo effect that most Buddhist strive for, enlightenment. It could sound selfie and un-pure to a certain extent, but perhaps being fulfilled spiritually is all they wanted/needed. As they let go of their attachments to “worldly things” and outright avoid them, maybe someone started thinking “ya know I probably don’t need/want a family, I am already content on my own”
Buddhist monks+nuns are celibate too.
They're a monastic group, not meant to be applied to all
@@ObeseGramps haha, enlightenment is NOT a pseudo effect, hahaha. Yes, I am certain that all major spiritualities have the same basis, which is a disconnect of the spirit from flesh, and upon further development, a complete disassociation.
I love how respectful yet learned and all encompassing this guy is. Ive learned the nuances of many things from this fellow.
The discovery of the DSS was a discovery of a treasure for Biblical studies!!
Initially read this as just “DS” and still agreed… was a dope gaming platform. Bring back pictochat
Perhaps it will even detail why Romans 1:18 was not so fully effective, in heaven?
It's funny how I'm getting all these recommendations on religion after having finished watching evangelion. I don't think UA-cam understands the difference lol
But I'm not complaining, this was a very interesting watch
You wouldn't be the first to find faith from evangelion.
As always you do a masterful job. It manages to be just enough over my head to keep me on my toes and looking but not a black belt class that I couldn't even follow. Really appreciate your content. One of the true rare gems of youtube. Keep it up.
Amazing, I was excited to see another video from you Filip. Andrew being in here was a great treasure as well.
Cool! It is about time these two excellent channels teamed up!
Love the little collaboration, both of y’all are my best UA-cam channels
Thank you, Filip. Another very interesting and informative video on a complex religious topic.
I believe Qumraan is Imraan sometimes read as Umraan as well, mentioned in Qur'an. The house of Imraan or Umraan also included Zacharia, Yahya or John the baptist and Mary, as mentioned in Qur'an. This amazing.
The Qu'ran is a compilation of Syro-Aramaic texts about Jesus. Islam has been initiated by the Catholics for their own purposes. Catolicism and Islam as well as Judaism as it is now are the ways which lead away from God. The only way to God is by following the Way Jesus, the Christ Consciousness, showed us. The Qu'ran is originated in nowadays Irak, not Palestine. Even Mekka did not exist in any ancient map. The region was called Arabia deserta, the desert of Arabia, hence nothing and nobody lived there. Islam has been created by men who do not follow the way, as they maintained slaves, harems and poligamy, physical Jihad and wars instead of inner Jihad and so on. They wronged our real early Christianity all together and are lying until today to the people.
Two of my favorite youtubers collaborating on an intresting video!
Of late, I've started watching the videos on this channel, i must admit i simply love them. I love both history and religion and also philosophy and so it seems a natural home to find myself here. Thank you for all you're wonderful work
Fabulous. As always, your broad and deep knowledge provides historical context and scholarly and sometimes surprising (a solar calendar!) details. And this time you included my other favorite religious scholar, Andrew Henry, and drawings from my favorite prophet, William Blake. So great. Thanks.
Another land mark in to the study of humanity by Mr.Flip H. I see no chance of not seeming this academic investigation. With lots of appreciation, a sufi student from India ❤
Thank you so very much for this very informative, knowledgeable video that you make to extend and share with your trusted teachings to the masses is so greatly appreciated.
I've been researching the Essenes in detail along with The Dead Sea Scrolls or The Qumran Scrolls which excitingly still have much to decipher and discover.
The Essenes (as a group of scholars) had an extremely important role in history, much more than known... And religion, which completely ruled the world in those days. The Essenes highly influenced the world, as we are uncovering and re-discovering.
Interestingly, It has been suggested that Jesus Christ, himself, or maybe even John the Baptist, were members of the Essenes, or heavily influenced by them which separated itself from society at large and defined itself against Jerusalem, or more so The Temple in Jerusalem in protest, which does equate according to scripture, not to leave out other sects that have been influenced by them.
The Essenes went to live in the wilderness, to live by themselves, totally isolated from the rest of the community. Jesus was known to verbally preach and spread his word for only 3 years, so perhaps during his missing years, he was living and learning as a part of the Essene sect or community being taught by them, learning and becoming a pundit, a rabbi, a priest (a Levite or a Cohen) even though he supposedly is known to come from the tribe of Judah) before he decided to leave to preach to society?! ...Just a thought.
I sincerely thank you again along with Dr. Henry at 'Religion for Breakfast' who too has a very knowledgeable, learned, kind mind who is extremely credible and honorable.
P.S.
"Welcome to SCROLLS FROM THE DEAD SEA, The Ancient Library of Qumran and Modern Scholarship" www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/intro.html
An extensive "Outline of Objects and Topics in Scrolls from the Dead Sea"www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/overview.html
"The Qumran Library" (Scroll Fragments, Outline of Objects and Topics in Scrolls from the Dead Sea from the Qumran Library) www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/Library/library.html
This is a interesting and great article by PBS that gives much insight on "The Essenes and The Dead Sea Scrolls" (The Dead Sea Scrolls: A New Translation by: Michael Wise Martin Abegg, Jr. Edward Cook, HarperSanFrancisco,'1996)
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www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/essenes.html
that connect to many of the scrolls to give insight on such as the
"The Manual of Discipline" (The Community Rule):
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/community.html
"The War Scroll" (an apocalyptic vision of the final battle between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness):
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/scrolltranslation.html
"War of the Sons of Light against the Sons of Darkness": www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/scrolltranslation.html
So interesting. Thank you, Filip and Andrew.
This is my new favorite channel. The topics, content and your voice make the information easily understandable. Thank you for sharing!
The essenes have much importance in several mystery schools and esoteric traditions. Rosicrucianism, freemasonry, OTO, Rudolf Steiner, Edgar Cayce, some christian mystical sects. I wonder if there perhaps was a connection to the cathars, at least on a spiritual plane and/or some yet to be found texts? Speculation ofcourse, but a few days before the fall of Montsegur in 1244, three cathars escaped with a treasure. Most people I've spoken to who are deep into the cathar fate, believes it was invaluable scriptures, even the legendary 'Book of Love'.
However, what puzzles me is the concept or knowledge about 'gilgul', reincarnation. Some early christian sects seems to have embraced that doctrine. Is it a post-nicene/roman catholic work to exclude it from the teaching as Cayce and others said? Available scriptures is very thin regarding this topic, to say the least.
Great episode Filip, thank you.
I just want to say that it was a really nice surprise to see Andrew Henry on your channel! I love his channel and I follow it passionately, as do I yours! Thank you both for the very interesting work you do 🙏🏼
My two favorite channels on religion in one video
as already said, great to see 2 of the most respected and knowledgeable peoples on you tube (at least from my stand point) working together! I have studied religions all my life (and practiced a few also!) and you guys are the only ones I can listen to without having the feeling to have to fact check you or have an outright disagreement. Your words are precise and very accurate and sometimes I have to listen twice to get exactly what you are saying. Keep up the good works you both are doing!! It may be esoteric but you are helping those of us on a spiritual level unseen.
I don't even know what to believe in sometimes with all these different religions but this channel is so fascinating!
the fact there are nearly countless interpretations of the same made up stories should tell you it's all nonsense. I'm not saying the history isn't fascinating but nobody should lead their life according to these made up stories.
@@CRneu your wrong its history
another amazing video. thank you phillip for always spreading this knowledge to those who want to seek and learn. would love to see a video on sethian gnostics
Wow! this video is excellent! Here the obscure Qumran community is more clearly & scholarly explained than I have seen elsewhere, with great images that illustrate it beautifully. Thank you
Holy smokes..... absolutely FANTASTIC work. Bravo!
Just when I attended a book review seminar about Dead Sea Scrolls and Ashabul Kahfi (the sleepers in cave), this video came. What a great timing indeed.
By the way the book titled "Naskah Laut Mati dan Ashabul Kahfi" by Wisnu Tanggap Prabowo. Probably the only book written in Indonesian about Dead Sea Scrolls.
Garis besarnya ngebahas apa? Pasti cocoklogi.
Hai indonesia
Thankyou Philepe for solving another piece of the puzzle of Christianity . .the never ending quest. It's so much more than most people imagine it to be..
once again a great video as always many thanks
Greatly informative! It really puts some things into perspective. Fascinating to see what these ancient communities were like.
omg! i've just discovered ur channel coupla days ago and belive it or not i was like: hm, does this guy have a video on essenes - and here you go!
We're in synch!
My two favorite theology UA-camrs collabed!!! Awesome video as always, both channels are so dope
History of religion is not theology 🙂
Thank you! Excellent...as always.
Thank you!! A very interesting and instructive video ❤
Great video, as always! Minor pronunciation note: righteousness, ‘zedek’- this ‘z’ stands for the consonant ts/tz rather than z, at least in modern Hebrew. Reconstructing the pronunciation of Hebrew in the biblical and 2nd-Temple eras is tricky since evidence is scarce.
The same word ' zedek' does exist in Arabic with the same pronunciation and meaning, which may suggest that YHWY and ALLAH are the same "Human Invention !". Except that the Jew and Arab 'Scholars' ' created a God that would fit their masters'eagerness to reign over their subjects.
This is such a great community
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Luv ur channel bro. Learnt so much from you 🤲
Thank you for all of your research. Much appreciated. I really enjoyed this presentation. Cheers Colin 🇦🇺
Love the channel. A full video on the Book of Enoch as teased here would be great!
There already is a video on the book of Enoch (and Enoch II)!
I am Dutch. I read Enoch -1- in that very old English. It took me very much time and looking up the Heavens for help, to be able to comprehend what was written. (R.H. Charles)
According to Origen (‘near Jericho rock caves were discover’d by Palestinian Bedouin shepherds [c. 217 CE] containing jars with Hebrew/Aramaic & Greek scrolls written on goatskin-Jews came in droves & carted them off’… later Timotheos I wrote [c. 790 CE] (‘jars containing Hebrew scrolls were found by Bedouin in rock caves near Jericho-Jews came in droves & carted them off…’ and in 1865 a set of 1st person (‘and YHWH said to me’) extracts [written c. 110 BCE] from the book of Deuteronomy written in paleoHebrew Ugaritic preHerodian script were unearth’d by Bedouin in Rock Caves at Seccacah-Qumran near the Dead Sea… then in Dec 1946 Bedouin found scrolls in jars in several rock caves in the same area and the era of The Dead Sea Scrolls officially began - but by that time, the caves had been already rifl’d through at least 3 times by Bedouin over the centuries … one must bear these facts in mind when discussing the 1946/1947 re-discoveries…
Source?
@@drjdharrisphd10712 He literally cited Origen, look it up.
@@ne0nmancer that’s not how citations work
@@drjdharrisphd10712 - for Origen’s use in his famous HEXAPLA textual study of the OT using some of the Greek & Hebrew scrolls unearth’d by Arab boys in c. 217 CE you can consult the Greek text of Euseubeius (Ecclesiastical History, Book VI, chapter 16:1ff) ; Roger Pearse has laid out the quotation from the Syrian Metropolitan Timotheos I from c. 790 CE in a letter to the Metropolitan of Susa (Elam) in letter 47 : ‘We have it on good authority from certain credible Jewish converts to Christ who would not lie or deceive us that 10 years ago scrolls were discover’d in jars in rock caves near Jericho by local Bedouin Arab boys looking for goats in the clefts of the rock cliffs - apparently one of the Bedouin’s dogs had entered a cleft in the rock face but failed to come out and when they hoisted themselves into the dwelling space which had been carved directly out of the rock itself they found a number of jars containing scrolls written in Hebrew & Greek - some were brought to certain Rebbes in Jerusalem to sell them -but before long Jews came in droves to the site and carted everything away - what they found when they unrolled the scrolls to read them were copies of the Tanakh along with a number of other Hebrew texts no longer part of the Hebrew canon including a number of unknown psalms and other prophetic books-and when I asked if any of these extra canonical scrolls lin’d up with untraceable quotations of ‘scripture’ that Christians sometimes come across in the New Testament (e.g. Jude 1:14-17 viz Henoch & the Assumption of Moses etc) they replied that indeed those previously unknown texts were in the jars that the Bedouin brought them…’
Does this help any ?
@@theophilos0910 thanks! I’ll look into this when I can
Great teaching Mr. Holm!
Thank you for this content.
It would be most interesting to hear your take on the Ceasers Messiah hypothesis of Achariya - she says Josephus Flavius was a member of the ruling Flavians and so isnt neutral in any sense and that to deracinate the crazy Hebrew volatility a ‘new’ Jewish religion with ‘love thy enemy’ as a big part of it….so that the gospels are part of. flavian plot in the second and third century ie whennthe New Testament appears…..Achrya was quite a scholar ….and died very young on Christmass Day …..ha! However she had a huge following and James Atwill and others follow her wake
Anyway you reminded me of her when I saw Josephus popping up. The UA-cam channel is Ceasers Messiah
Re, Qumran Jhn Allegro had a lot to say about the place and the weapons and fortified aspects of the architecture……..worthy of thought….seeibg its the Mushroom Man himself and was on the translation team until thrown off…
The Essene's also considered themselves healers and were a secret society. So much of their 'knowledge' was not written down but alluded to in their writings.
Thanks so much for posting
I did. I wrote them.
Kidding. Love your videos man. Keep up the excellent work.
Delores Cannon’s book, Jesus & the Essenes is a great read that dovetails this
Reading Dolores' book right now. I'd like to learn more about the Kaloo. Any pointers?
I think you sort of misrepresented the Catholic Apocrypha; their absence from the Masoretic text-and presence in the Vulgate-is representative of the inclusion of the Jewish books written in Greek during the Seleucid occupation into the Septuagint (and then later Protestants ignorantly deeming such texts less authentic when the Septuagint is older than the Masorite's version).
Awesome collaboration guys.
Yes!
*dueterrocannon.
Very well done. Thank you!
Thank you for your knowledge you share with us.
a lot of the practices of the Essenes sound incredibly similar to the practices of the Catholic Clergy
Catholicism is a branch of Christianity. Anyone who says otherwise is either, ignorant or full of hate/racism.
@@nathanjohnwade2289I'd say people would describe it as more substantial than a branch
The community was now the temple…straight out of Orthodoxy
0:57 Historical accounts about the Essenes
6:27 Dead Sea Scrolls
10:35 Jewish community of Qumran
18:27 Were the Qumran community Essenes?/Did the Essenes write the dead sea scrolls?
19:17 Essene beliefs (by Religion for Breakfast 😄)
European colonialism continues.. this time they steal your land with fairy tale history and fake archeology.
1492, European colonialism: We discovered America.
1916, European colonialism: We are liberating the Holy land.
The imaginary state of Israel, master of fairy tales, are European colonialism.
Name of israel is over 3500 years old @Ishi79
Great listen!
I thought it was accepted knowledge that the term 'Essenes' referred to a subset of very similar clans, tribes, communities etc. Great informative video so thanks.
Fire episode. Thank you Filip 🙏🏼
Outstanding presentation!
My two fav religion guys working together. Yay!
At the beginning I was thinking "I wonder if he has beef with Religion For Breakfast" and then bam! Its our boy lol Great vid as always, its exciting see my fav channels crossover.
When I was younger there was this concept that the Essenes were pacifists, but in the literature I've read, there doesn't seem to be any real definitive reason to believe this, though it's entirely possible that I'm just missing something. Dr. Robert Eisenman (Who seems to me to be a bit of a historical conspiracy theorist, and I don't take him as authoritative, but I do find him interesting) suggests the possibility of an alliance between the Essenes and the Zealots in the first Jewish War, though he also spews a bunch of nonsense about the "Teacher of Righteousness", so, again, he could be completely off his nut about it. I'm curious, though: is such an alliance between Essenes and Zealots (Josephus' "Fourth Way") a possibility? And if it happened, might that have explained their abrupt disappearance from history?
The fragmented nature of these artifacts makes me wonder if there are any particularly frustrating instances where an interesting passage isn’t preserved in its entirety, essentially leading to our speculation? You might know, and it could be a cool topic :) Epic video as always!
Great work. Thank you very much.
keep up the good work!
I can read and write in the Dead Sea Scroll Herodian Script, the exact writing which would have been used in Jesus’ times. I am also currently attempting to revive Aramaic used in the Second Temple.
That is SO cool!
Love your screen name!
This is incredibly interesting. I'm now studying Hebrew with my rabbi. I'd love to know more about your studies. Chag Sameach.
Im a muslim and I find the dead sea scrolls really interesting
great video. Thanks for doing it
I have seen this documentary before. This is another great one. Thank you. "THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS." MANY BOOKS ON THIS SUBJECT AND DOCUMENTARIES. ❤️✨️
SOME OF THESE TEXTS THAT WERE FOUND IN THE CAVES, THE VATICAN OWNS SOME, ISRAEL HAS SOME ,STILL YEARS OF RESEARCH BEING DONE ON THEM, THE SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTE BOUGHT SOME, BUT THEY WERE NOT REAL. SO MAY THE RESEARCH CONTINUE.
@Anna Magnani why are you yelling?
@@TheRealWilliamWhiteWhat ? I AM NOT YELLING. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? LOL 🌷
@Anna Magnani YOU'RE STILL YELLING.
@@cheri238 if you write in all caps means you are yelling.
I do have an intuitive feeling that the timing of the finding of both the Qumran scrolls and the Nag Hammadi texts, within a few years after the creation of atomic weapons, is a synchronicity worthy of contemplation.
It would also be interesting to see what modern scholars now think of former Qumran scholar leader, John Allagro, most provocative takes that encoded in these early texts, are the myths of a mushroom/entheogenic cult.
Ohhh boy I been waiting on this 1🤓
Sidenote:
When I was in grade school we performed an experiment where my classmates and I would form a big circle. The teacher would whisper a sentence in the 1st students ear and he would turn to the next kid and then whisper the sentence in his ear who would turn and whisper into the 3rd kids ear, so on and so forth. By the last student the sentence wouldn’t be anything close to its starting form lol. How tf did these stories make it GENERATIONS?!
Realistically they haven’t, they’re more myths and epics, not based on reality
Sometimes the simpler answer is the right one
thats why Quran is preserved by memorisation
it's a game called "telephone". there's even a podcast based on this idea called "Normal Gossip". Humans are incredibly bad at remembering details as we tend to make things about ourselves/experiences. we hear what we want to hear and forget most of it.
@@NawazKhan-ui6eo what you said makes no sense. humans are incredibly poor at memorization. passing something down by "memorizing" is always going to lead to errors because humans are fallible.
Another great lecture. Thanks
great job enjoyed the topic and you are very good
Your videos are a cure for insomnia
Glad to be of service!
John the Baptist is often treated rather fruitfully as a link between the Essenes and the followers of Jesus. And the gospel of Luke plays in that field, with John’s mother, Elizabeth, being relative and spiritual guide to Jesus’ mother, Mary. Likewise, John’s father appears as a Temple priest whose mystical experience in the Holies serve to alienate him from mainstream temple worshippers, and lead to him surrendering John to the desert (Qumran?) to grow up.
Good, @Francis Gruber . Also, are we going to learn why Satan was owed so much, post exile? Including to keep so many powers?
@@chrissonofpear1384 thank you.
Satan certainly takes on a progressively higher profile in the post exilic world. In the Enoch Book (found at Qumran) the generations till the messiah are outlined by number that equals the length of Luke's genealogy of Jesus; who emerges, after all, as the despoiler of demonic enclaves.
@@francisgruber3638 Didn't that text point to a fulfilment earlier, and for the world to end, after that? The 70 generations prophecy, too?
And yes, it is a higher profile - with more and more opaque backstory, oftentime.
And why the 'enclaves' even exist, is another matter - let alone within a kiloparsec of this particular world?
I cannot gainsay exactly when the authors of Enoch anticipated the end of the covenant age that they envisioned. One might just assume that the author of the gospel of Luke enumerated his genealogy of Jesus to piggyback off the popular Enoch apocalypse, of 70 generations. As far as demonic enclaves, whether or not they should exist in a strictly monotheistic worldview, the ancients could hardly doubt that they did, given larger scale societal dynamics. So these diabolical forces also provide the gospels with a rich context to announce a messianic arrival.
I really enjoyed this presentation on the dead sea scrolls!
So far it's excellent stories about the history of the dead sea.
Interesting. But yeah, academics don't make their careers by agreeing with each other :)
I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness and this sounds like an ancient, Jewish version of that. I'm...horrified. I've seen the Dead Sea Scrolls. My parents took me out of school for a day and my ENTIRE extended family went to San Francisco to go looj at what I distinctly remember as a child thinking "were just some old papers with Hebrew on them". My grandma hit me for saying that. I stand by it all these decades later. TBH the obsession with purity reminds me of Hassidic values but much older.
Anyway we'd call this a cult now, pretty certain of it. Very interesting to know that kind of thing was possible in the ancient world as well.
Such a narrow minded way to look at it
I was thinking the same thing, it definitely sounds like a high control group/cult, and would absolutely fit the BITE model. Cults are not a recent invention, they have always existed. That doesn't mean there is nothing to learn from their texts, though, and it's still fascinating.
@@yungedubsavage189kichii2 Not really. The opposite actually lol
Hassids aren't nearly as obsessed with purity as the Essenes where.
Love the crossovers with RFB!
THANK you very much for this video. Very enlightening.
Fascinating stuff. Nice work as usual.
Thanks. Cheers from cool Vienna, Scott
When you say that before the discovery of the dead sea scrolls, the earliest copies of the Bible were from the Middle ages, you mean copies of the original Hebrew text. Copies of the Greek translation, the septuagint, that date to the first few centuries ce were available at that time. The dead sea scrolls are still older, but it's important to note that before their discovery, the copies of the translation were older than copies of the original language.
Amazing information brother good job
This channel and ReligionForBreakfast collabing is like that one Shaq and Kobe highlight tape
And yes is there a story about the travel between Musa and Khidr , in the Jewish Books , from the story in surah Kehf....thx
woooooo a Let's Talk Religion For Breakfast collab :3
The amount of religions never seases to amaze me.
Im from jordan where this archaeological gems were found.. thanks for informing me in depth about this topic. I wonder if you can do a competitive video about the content of these scrolls and the mainstream bible and the Old Testament
1492, European colonialism: We discovered America.
1916, European colonialism: We are liberating the Holy land.
The imaginary state of Israel, master of fairy tales, are European colonialism.
Awwwww...Somebody's ancestors bad at war? 😢
it is difficult not to hold the grudge for destroyed cultures around the globe. However,it was christian church,not Europe,who should be to blame🙂
Great topic and video!
Fascinating thankyou!
Need to visit again, so many wonders to Learn about