This is the best video ever it improved everything about my game. I think there should've been some explanation that some of the videos shown were performed with sticky rubber which isn't everyone's choice, it makes doing this a lot harder and needs more precision.
So helpful! The coaching is amazing! I loved the graph and the in-depth explanations. I've been having troubles with serve returns for a while now, but I've never thought of it this deeply! Thank so much, this will improve my gameplay for sure!
✅ for any normal side spin (right or left), just receive it with a top spin push or top spin smash. ✅ for a side under spin (right or left), just push it with a chop or hard chop. The difficulty of the service lies on how you read it and how fast you react. Practice!
One tip bros Returning sidespin is like translation of a function( math application) Like heavier sidespin equates to higher angle tilt And the direction of play is on the tilted axes
You earnt a new sub. Im still trying to figure out what float means but im glad im seeing some well explained fundamentals. Keep it up. As for those who didnt understand the video, I'd focus on each term used and try and play it out on a table so you can understand it. 'Spin theory' isnt easy for many people, including myself.
Very useful & explained in detail. I am confident now to return the different types of services in a better way without giving service points. Thank you 😊
You should also mention listening to the impact sound of bat hitting the ball on the serve. Loud vs soft impact sound can contribute to reading backspin vs topspin serve. Also the way a server holds the bat has to taken into account on topspin, backspin & float reading. For instance I do what I call a reverse tomahawk where the bottom of the handle is at 12 o'clock, so now you have to read the bat hitting the ball from a different orientation including if sidespin is added. Thanks for the info - loved the graphic on 3 types of returns vs type of serve.
@@rationalttanalysis could you please consider underspin hook serve in your future video as it seems to be very hard for me to generate good underspin for hook/jab serve let alone disguise the serve.
The slow motion serves video will be a great video to study, if you will comment the spin and how we can judge it. Like in your first three examples. Thanks in advance!!!
Hi, great video, congrats!, but I think there is a mistake. In the time 2:12 of the video, the serve is float, it's not topspin as you said becase the movement of the stroke is from high to low position...are you agree?
Thank you for your kind words! Although the overall movement is from a high to low position, as the server contacts the ball, his wrist actually flicks upwards, therefore producing topspin. Remember it is only the contact point that matters. This serve can be deceptive at times and it is called the hook serve. I have made a video on how to execute this serve : ua-cam.com/video/F5SjGxqbEEQ/v-deo.htmlsi=1nYtst1GkymbN6JX&t=35 Hope this helps! 😀
Hello. I just doubt about the float sample and demonstration. It seems they are not the same. Since float is from bottom to middle but the serve demonstrated is going down. May I know how it differs? Thank you
one more note for the "service placement" part: if you're watching where the ball touches the table, you're already late and will lose the point! Watch how high the opponent touches the ball! If your opponent lowers the ball to the top of the table, you get a long ball! If it is high, half high, near the chest, the ball will surely be short! It is almost impossible to serve short by hitting the ball close to the table...:) But of course, there is a technique for that too ;) If you use this tip, you have way more time to react and action: step back and attack long balls >> u MUST attack EVERY long ball in TT!
thanks for this video. i learned a lot. can you please provide some "practice drills" you have with a partner. i just go to the club not knowing what to do.
As a left-hander, the go-to serve is to serve to a right-hander's forehand short. Try use a pendulum serve so the ball curves away from your opponent's forehand ( left-hander's backhand)
nice video, there are some errors / misconceptions in it thou coz it is not this easy in reality: 1) ur division of the blade is not true always, it contradicts the common pendulum topspin serve where u hit the ball at the end of a full wrist motion with the "lower" part of the blade at the left of the handle, so ur picture at 1:51 is wrong in that case where it is topspin and not backspin 2) the shuffle serve at 2:13 is not topspin it is a pure sidespin serve with an added downward motion to distract the reciever and he is pushing with a very open bat-angle which is why the ball is going high, coz it has zero backspin on it but not coz it is topspin it is impossible to produce topspin without any kind of upward motion regardless of where u contact the ball on the blade, at best it can be float / pure sidespin, the only other way is throwing the ball high and letting it fall on ur half-opened racket on which the ball gets a slight topspin on its own from the falling speed, but that doesnt comes from any racket movement
Thanks for your comment! Good spot for the first point! I'm not too sure about the pendulum topspin serve, maybe you're right! I need to try it out next time when I go down to my club. But I'm just wondering if you contact the lower part of your bat for the pendulum topspin, which part of the bat do you contact for the pendulum backspin? For the second point, I'm pretty sure that serve is side-topspin. If you look carefully and in slow motion, the server did move his bat upwards before going down as the after-motion. But you're right, to produce topspin, there must be an upward motion.
This should have been a 60 FPS video. Reading a serve from 30 FPS video where the most important part often happens between the frames is rather impossible.
Thanks! This helps a lot! I was wondering: Are there some tips / tactics to return serves from a pen hold player? In practice the spins principles are the same of course, but are there some commonly played serves or ways of hitting from a pen hold player that requires some specific adjustments? THANKS!
As a penholder you have an advantage when receiving short serves as you have more flexibility in the wrist. The forehand flick is always a great short to learn for penholders when it comes to returning serves, this can apply to any spin, topspin, backspin, sidespin... so yeah, try to develop the control when returning short serves. I will try making videos specifically for penholders in the coming weeks...
thanks for your answer. I actually asked how to return from a pen holder. So I am not a pen holder, but sometimes play with penholders ;-)@@rationalttanalysis
Good video. But noone explains properly how to Return that Side spin (especially the windshield piper) serve. Even in your Table you showed, Sidespin returning Strategy is missing. u have covered only Topspin & Backspin in that.
Dont worry many people was and are like you. It takes years to master receiving pendulum/reverse pendulum serves, not mention to other kinds of serve such as tomahawk, backhand, hook serve etc...
First bounce location does not tell about the length of the serve. Ball bounce arc middle point does not need to be exactly over the net. It can be far on your or opponent's halves.
You telling us that touching at the lower half of the racket ( at the service ) means BACKSPIN. That is definetely nonsense. It depends on where to you move the racket while hitting. Upward forward then means topspin.
The rule should be changed : 3 sec before the serve, the whole (100% of all the racket) racket and the whole full arm should be visible. In volley ball there s lots of rules about the serve as well and the ball is much slower than ping-pong.
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The spin doesn't have anything to do with where the ball touches the racket - it only depends on how the racket moves. Also, in the example that you wanted us to see, it only shows the back of the player and the back of the racket - you can't say where the ball touches it.
Most of us are just glad to hit the ball - anywhere on the racket will do. Try the same chop serve hitting the ball each time with a different part of the racket. You'll be surprised at the results.
He says that if the bat contacts the ball at the bottom of the bat it is backspin and topspin for the upper half of the bat. This is not true. The ball can hit any part of the rubber/bat, the type of spin is determined by the direction of the bat at impact.
Honestly the spin should not be allowed, few weeks ago I played with some seniors and obviously I was faster, creative and overall better as long as we played normal / flat.. but as soon as this old lady start usings those weird spins almost none of my balls landed on the table etc… it just feels not good because I am obviously more athletic, younger etc overall talented, but of course they are using spiny serves and get free points
Also this video did not help at all.. you only made things even more complicated.. f everyone who is using strong spins and getting free points against new players etc
This is a Lot to learn in a single video ! I am a boomer and like to improve my game , you definitively help me , thank You.
If you have to watch only a single video. This is the one
This is one of the best TT tutorial videos. Thank you very much.
I hope to use all these tips and techniques during my next training and matches.
Best of luck!
Great video!!! Tqvm!!! Keep it up ❤❤
This is the best video ever it improved everything about my game. I think there should've been some explanation that some of the videos shown were performed with sticky rubber which isn't everyone's choice, it makes doing this a lot harder and needs more precision.
Thanks!
So helpful! The coaching is amazing! I loved the graph and the in-depth explanations. I've been having troubles with serve returns for a while now, but I've never thought of it this deeply! Thank so much, this will improve my gameplay for sure!
✅ for any normal side spin (right or left), just receive it with a top spin push or top spin smash.
✅ for a side under spin (right or left), just push it with a chop or hard chop.
The difficulty of the service lies on how you read it and how fast you react. Practice!
tq for this
One tip bros
Returning sidespin is like translation of a function( math application)
Like heavier sidespin equates to higher angle tilt
And the direction of play is on the tilted axes
That return at 5:12 was incredible
I got all the three corect topspin , backspin and float
Thanks for another excellent video Elliott.
Very welcome! Hope you enjoyed it!
Returning serves with confidence now! This guide covers everything from basics to advanced techniques. Great work! 🌟🏓
You earnt a new sub. Im still trying to figure out what float means but im glad im seeing some well explained fundamentals. Keep it up. As for those who didnt understand the video, I'd focus on each term used and try and play it out on a table so you can understand it. 'Spin theory' isnt easy for many people, including myself.
Very useful & explained in detail. I am confident now to return the different types of services in a better way without giving service points. Thank you 😊
Glad to hear!
You should also mention listening to the impact sound of bat hitting the ball on the serve. Loud vs soft impact sound can contribute to reading backspin vs topspin serve. Also the way a server holds the bat has to taken into account on topspin, backspin & float reading. For instance I do what I call a reverse tomahawk where the bottom of the handle is at 12 o'clock, so now you have to read the bat hitting the ball from a different orientation including if sidespin is added. Thanks for the info - loved the graphic on 3 types of returns vs type of serve.
Man this was amazing could you do a video of teaching/showing differnet kind of serves too? for more variations to keep in arsenal.
Thanks! Yes I’ll try to do that over the next few months 👍🏻
@@rationalttanalysis oki doki :)
@@rationalttanalysis could you please consider underspin hook serve in your future video as it seems to be very hard for me to generate good underspin for hook/jab serve let alone disguise the serve.
The slow motion serves video will be a great video to study, if you will comment the spin and how we can judge it. Like in your first three examples. Thanks in advance!!!
sure, will do a range of serve demonstrations in the next few weeks so stay tuned!
i stopped playing coz lacking knowledge of different spin... thank you so much forthis video ❤
why the second serve (at 2:13) is topspin?
Same question
the ball hits the topside of the racket.
Bottom side of the racket = backspin
Middle side = no spin
top side = ropspon
@@chocosheepart3328how to determine the upper and lower edge of the racket in doing serves?
Same question, i thought it's the float
Awesome video.This was easy to understand.
Very good teaching. Well done.
Waiting already for the next video 🎉
Thanks :D
Hopefully it'll be out on Sunday!
I have learned a lot from your video. Thank you so much.
Great tutorials 🙌😊 many thanks
Hi, great video, congrats!, but I think there is a mistake. In the time 2:12 of the video, the serve is float, it's not topspin as you said becase the movement of the stroke is from high to low position...are you agree?
Thank you for your kind words! Although the overall movement is from a high to low position, as the server contacts the ball, his wrist actually flicks upwards, therefore producing topspin. Remember it is only the contact point that matters. This serve can be deceptive at times and it is called the hook serve. I have made a video on how to execute this serve : ua-cam.com/video/F5SjGxqbEEQ/v-deo.htmlsi=1nYtst1GkymbN6JX&t=35
Hope this helps! 😀
Terima kasih, video yang sangat bermanfaat dan menambah pengetahuan saya tentang cara bermain tenis meja.
Great vid. Thank you 🙏❤️✨🥇✨👌
Hello. I just doubt about the float sample and demonstration. It seems they are not the same.
Since float is from bottom to middle but the serve demonstrated is going down. May I know how it differs? Thank you
Thank you this helped me a lot in a real game
I see you have done lots of research. Thank you for sharing.
this video is great !
Thank you, keep going
Thanks!
Excellent Tips
Good channel, thanks for the sharing, and clear guidelines
one more note for the "service placement" part: if you're watching where the ball touches the table, you're already late and will lose the point! Watch how high the opponent touches the ball! If your opponent lowers the ball to the top of the table, you get a long ball! If it is high, half high, near the chest, the ball will surely be short! It is almost impossible to serve short by hitting the ball close to the table...:) But of course, there is a technique for that too ;) If you use this tip, you have way more time to react and action: step back and attack long balls >> u MUST attack EVERY long ball in TT!
Amazing tip!
💪🏓@@rationalttanalysis
thanks for this video. i learned a lot. can you please provide some "practice drills" you have with a partner. i just go to the club not knowing what to do.
Sure! Do you mean practice drills for serve receive or just practice drills in general ?
2:10 i'm a newbie in table tennis, i see the bat motion is going downward, how can it be a top spin?
It went up before it goes down, watch very closely...
This is amazing serve return video! Thank so much 🙏🙏⭐️⭐️⭐️🔥
I will subscribe & share it to my pp friends, looking forward for another great vids !
Awesome, thank you!
This was absolutely amazing! Thanks a lot! I'm a new player. Any advice about which serves to focus on learning as a left-handed player?
As a left-hander, the go-to serve is to serve to a right-hander's forehand short. Try use a pendulum serve so the ball curves away from your opponent's forehand ( left-hander's backhand)
@@rationalttanalysis Thanks! I'll try that.
nice video, there are some errors / misconceptions in it thou coz it is not this easy in reality:
1) ur division of the blade is not true always, it contradicts the common pendulum topspin serve where u hit the ball at the end of a full wrist motion with the "lower" part of the blade at the left of the handle, so ur picture at 1:51 is wrong in that case where it is topspin and not backspin
2) the shuffle serve at 2:13 is not topspin
it is a pure sidespin serve with an added downward motion to distract the reciever and he is pushing with a very open bat-angle which is why the ball is going high, coz it has zero backspin on it but not coz it is topspin
it is impossible to produce topspin without any kind of upward motion regardless of where u contact the ball on the blade, at best it can be float / pure sidespin,
the only other way is throwing the ball high and letting it fall on ur half-opened racket on which the ball gets a slight topspin on its own from the falling speed, but that doesnt comes from any racket movement
Thanks for your comment!
Good spot for the first point! I'm not too sure about the pendulum topspin serve, maybe you're right! I need to try it out next time when I go down to my club. But I'm just wondering if you contact the lower part of your bat for the pendulum topspin, which part of the bat do you contact for the pendulum backspin?
For the second point, I'm pretty sure that serve is side-topspin. If you look carefully and in slow motion, the server did move his bat upwards before going down as the after-motion. But you're right, to produce topspin, there must be an upward motion.
Good lesson
Very good job
1:30 Only applicable for shakehand grip.
This should have been a 60 FPS video. Reading a serve from 30 FPS video where the most important part often happens between the frames is rather impossible.
Thanx, cool tip!
What is difference between push and touch?
Touch is a short push
why is top part topspin and bottom part of racket backspin i never get it? why does it mattter which point of púaddle u hit
Excellent vdo
Very good content
Thanks! This helps a lot! I was wondering: Are there some tips / tactics to return serves from a pen hold player? In practice the spins principles are the same of course, but are there some commonly played serves or ways of hitting from a pen hold player that requires some specific adjustments? THANKS!
As a penholder you have an advantage when receiving short serves as you have more flexibility in the wrist. The forehand flick is always a great short to learn for penholders when it comes to returning serves, this can apply to any spin, topspin, backspin, sidespin... so yeah, try to develop the control when returning short serves. I will try making videos specifically for penholders in the coming weeks...
thanks for your answer. I actually asked how to return from a pen holder. So I am not a pen holder, but sometimes play with penholders ;-)@@rationalttanalysis
Thanks a lot!
Thank you... Good and helpful tutorial. What is a float serve? I don't understand. Does anybody know the german word for float serve ...???
Float serve is a serve with no spin
@@rationalttanalysis thank you for this information...!!! 🙏🙏🙏
Good video. But noone explains properly how to Return that Side spin (especially the windshield piper) serve. Even in your Table you showed, Sidespin returning Strategy is missing. u have covered only Topspin & Backspin in that.
Top content
Thanks a lot!
Thx....love it
Nice bro, thanks.
You can produce any spin with any part of the bat, there is nothing like: when the ball hits the top part its topspin
You can see it in minute 2:50
Yea spin definitely depends on the motion your racket is doing when contacting the ball. Idk what this guy was talking about
lost me at 0:38. the first serve it side/back spin not side/top lol
Amazing
Useful
What is drive?
Awesome
Nice
Thank you for the lesson... Would be better the text are not in white colour
First one is not side topspin it's side backspin
It is side topspin!!
I think its side bacmspin
Yes
A half long backspin serve doesn’t kick forward like that, so we know it’s topspin :)
Look at the elbow, if it’s high, then topspin. Ma long is pulling upwards while doing it creating topspin
You made the return of sidespin too complicated. To return sidespin just aim in the direction from where the servers bat originated from.
一開始的球不是側下旋嗎
don't get me wrong but the second is no top spin
ADAM BOBROW!!!!!!!!
Nice
Am i the only one who did not understand anything
Of course
Yes you’re the only one
Dont worry many people was and are like you. It takes years to master receiving pendulum/reverse pendulum serves, not mention to other kinds of serve such as tomahawk, backhand, hook serve etc...
You r not alone 😂
you can count me.
slow it down
👏🏼👏🏽
One word, attack
Attack the ball no matter what the spin is
look hard,i'm still learning..🤔
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First bounce location does not tell about the length of the serve. Ball bounce arc middle point does not need to be exactly over the net. It can be far on your or opponent's halves.
You telling us that touching at the lower half of the racket ( at the service ) means BACKSPIN. That is definetely nonsense. It depends on where to you move the racket while hitting. Upward forward then means topspin.
The rule should be changed : 3 sec before the serve, the whole (100% of all the racket) racket and the whole full arm should be visible. In volley ball there s lots of rules about the serve as well and the ball is much slower than ping-pong.
This isn’t ping pong it’s table tennis, two different sports.
Oke manteb
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The spin doesn't have anything to do with where the ball touches the racket - it only depends on how the racket moves. Also, in the example that you wanted us to see, it only shows the back of the player and the back of the racket - you can't say where the ball touches it.
Most of us are just glad to hit the ball - anywhere on the racket will do. Try the same chop serve hitting the ball each time with a different part of the racket. You'll be surprised at the results.
He says that if the bat contacts the ball at the bottom of the bat it is backspin and topspin for the upper half of the bat. This is not true. The ball can hit any part of the rubber/bat, the type of spin is determined by the direction of the bat at impact.
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VERY SOFISTICATED//BUT THANKS!
Honestly the spin should not be allowed, few weeks ago I played with some seniors and obviously I was faster, creative and overall better as long as we played normal / flat.. but as soon as this old lady start usings those weird spins almost none of my balls landed on the table etc… it just feels not good because I am obviously more athletic, younger etc overall talented, but of course they are using spiny serves and get free points
You cant see sh
Poor audio! Poor audio! Poor audio! You are fare away from microphone.
Also this video did not help at all.. you only made things even more complicated.. f everyone who is using strong spins and getting free points against new players etc
Your explanation is too complex. I don't understand at all . I think we just play and no need to understand.
It was all very clear and easy.I don't understand which part you didn't get.
Thanks!
Amazing